Question
asked the Vice President of the Council, Whether he contemplates issuing any order to facilitate stamping out pleuro-pneumonia in cattle, or for carrying out any of the other recommendations of the Report of the Contagious Diseases (Animals) Committee?
in reply, said, that the Report of the Committee on the Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act had just been delivered to hon. Members. That Committee sat nearly through the Session; they had taken much evidence, and had carefully considered the subject. Several suggestions had been offered by the Committee which required the careful consideration of the Government generally; but there were two suggestions which his noble Friend (Lord Ripon) and himself were of opinion ought to be acted upon at once. One was, the recommendation of the Committee, that animals affected with pleuro-pneumonia should be slaughtered. The Committee, on the other hand, did not recommend that animals which came in contact with those which had been affected should be slaughtered. The Privy Council had, consequently, replaced the permissive Order to local authorities, by a General Order, that animals affected by pleuro-pneumonia should be slaughtered, and that compensation for such slaughter should be given to the owners. It was thought that a General Order should be substituted for permissive regulations, in order that the rules as to the diseases of animals should be the same throughout the country. The Privy Council, however, came to the conclusion after close consideration of the question, that it was unadvisable to do anything towards stopping the foot-and-mouth disease, except by the regulations existing in the Act, and that no Order should be issued by the Privy Council, either permissive or general, beyond the regulations of the Act. Lord Ripon and himself had consequently issued an Order to that effect, and both these Orders would appear in The Gazette. Another recommendation was, that a different principle of compensation should be adopted, and that compensation should be given for the amount of loss to the owner of the animals, instead of a fixed sum. The Government would carefully consider that suggestion; but they felt that they could not make the regulation with regard to pleuro-pneumonia without taking the opinion of Parliament, as compensation in cases of cattle plague was fixed by the Act.
Ways And Means — Estimates And Revenue—Question
asked Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Whether the sum of £430,000, taken from Post Office Revenue to repay moneys taken from Savings' Bank balances would not form part of the general balances and increase the Revenue by that amount; whether, if he still considered himself justified in anticipating that the Post Office Revenue would be nearly equal to that of last year, the Post Office Revenue would not be £430,000 in excess of his Estimate; whether the effect would not be that next April the right honourable gentleman would have the sum of £860,000 to deal with, in addition to his estimated working surplus of £291,000; and, whether the probability of any increase in the Unfunded Debt being necessary at the end of the year was not thereby greatly diminished?
Sir, the first Question of the hon. Gentleman I answer in the affirmative. The sum of £430,000 taken from Post Office revenue to repay moneys taken from Savings Bank balances would form part of the general balances, and increase the Revenue by that amount. The hon. Gentleman's second Question I answer in the negative. The Post Office Estimate for the year 1873–4 was £5,012,000. Had this Estimate been made by the Treasury, ignorant as they were of the fact that a large part of the Post Office revenue had been directed to another purpose, no doubt the observation of the hon. Gentleman would be correct, and we might reasonably expect an increase in the Revenue of the year in proportion to the sum named. Inasmuch, however, as the Estimate was made by persons in the Post Office who were aware of what had been done with the money, I am afraid that it was allowed for, and that no such increase can be expected. But that is only a small part of the Question. Putting aside this matter of Post Office revenue, diverted for the purpose of repaying money taken from Savings Bank balances, a large sum belonging to the year 1872–3 has been withhold from the Exchequer. That sum in a Bill just passed is estimated at £812,000. The larger part of this is due to Post Office revenue, and the remainder to Miscellaneous Estimates. That sum will, under the Bill, be paid into the Exchequer, and come into the excess of Revenue as estimated by the Budget, and will therefore tend to swell the estimated surplus of £291,000. On the other hand, that estimated surplus is diminished by Supplementary Estimates—among which heavy expenses for the Metropolitan Police and the Irish Constabulary figure largely—to the extent of from £400,000 to £500,000. The House is aware also that advances for Public Works are made out of balances in the Public Exchequer, and the Estimates which are given us of the loans required for schools and for sanitary purposes under the respective Acts of Parliament are so large that we shall be obliged to ask Parliament for borrowing powers; but, of course, we shall not use them until our balances are exhausted, and this large sum of money to be paid in will interpose an obstacle between us and the necessity for borrowing.