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Churchwardens Bill—Bill 31

Volume 218: debated on Thursday 16 April 1874

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( Mr. Monk, Mr. Goldney.)

Second Reading

Order for Second Reading, read.

, in moving that the Bill be now read a second time, explained its object to be to provide facilities for the admission of Churchwardens into Office. It enabled a Churchwarden to make the declaration required by law before the rural dean or incumbent of his parish, instead of waiting for the Archdeacon's or Bishop's visitation to be admitted. Until admission the title was not complete, and the outgoing churchwardens remained in office, when the Bishop's visitation took place in the autumn, for six months after their successors had been appointed. Great inconvenience arose there from in places where the churchwardens were ex officio guardians of the poor, and had statutory duties to perform; as, for instance, signing the lists of burgesses. The Bill did not interfere with the rights of the ordinary to require the attendance of churchwardens at the visitations. Last Session a Bill having, so far, a similar object in view was introduced in "another place," by a most rev. Prelate (the Archbishop of York), and if it had been confined to that object there was every reason to believe that it would have become law. But the Bill of the most rev. Prelate also proposed to increase the stipends of certain ecclesiastical officers, and in consequence of that provision it eventually failed.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."—( Mr. Monk.)

said, he thought that it was desirable that churchwardens should attend Archdeacons' visitations as frequently as possible, to consult with other officers of the church on practical matters. Churchwardens were, doubtless, very respectable men in their way, but they were not all alike. There was considerable difference in their qualifications. They were not Archbishops, nor even Bishops, and looking at this late period of the Session, he considered it advisable that the House should not proceed with the Bill now, and he therefore moved that it be read a second time that day six months.

, in seconding the Amendment, said, that as the Bill only touched the fringe of a difficult question the hon. Member for Gloucester (Mr. Monk) should postpone it until the whole subject had been fully considered. He hoped the hon. Member would comply with that suggestion, and not put the House to the trouble of dividing.

Amendment proposed, to leave out the word "now," and at the end of the Question to add the words "upon this day sis months."—( Mr. Beresford Hope.)

supported the Bill, on the ground that it afforded the churchwardens an easy method of qualifying themselves by going before the vicar or chairman of the vestry and taking the necessary oath.

said, he hoped the hon. Member for Gloucester would postpone the measure, which was but a tinkering and piecemeal mode of legislating upon a much wider subject than that which the measure professed to deal with.

said, he thought that the best way would be to allow the matter to stand over till it could be dealt with by a more comprehensive measure. He strongly objected to having a series of small measures upon ecclesiastical subjects. He found, as the result of a correspondence on the subject, that the vast majority of Bishops over the country were opposed to the Bill.

said, that after the discussion which it had elicited he would not proceed with the Bill.

said, he was not disposed to withdraw his Amendment. He would suggest that the Bill should be simply negatived.

Question, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question," put, and negatived.

Words added.

Main Question, as amended, put, and agreed to.

Bill put off for six months.

Explosive Substances

Select Committee appointed, "to inquire into the Law relating to the making, keeping, carriage, and importation of gunpowder, nitroglycerine, ammunition, fireworks, and all substances of an explosive nature, and to consider the best means of making adequate provision for the safety of the public and of the persons employed in such making, keeping, carriage, and importation, with a due regard to the necessities of the trade."—( Mr. Secretary Cross.)

And, on April 17, Committee nominated as follows:—Sir HENRY SELWIN-IBBETSON, Mr. STEVENSON, Sir JOHN HAY, Mr. LAIRD, Mr. BELL, Colonel NORTH, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. EDWARD STANHOPE, Mr. WHITWELL, Mr. KNOWLES, Mr. M'LAGAN, Mr. HICK, Mr. DILLWYN, Mr. WHITELAW:—Power to send for persons, papers, and records; Five to be the quorum.

And, on April 20, Mr. ARTHUR VIVIAN added.

Sale Of Liquors On Sunday Bill

On Motion of Mr. WILSON, Bill to extend to the whole of Sunday the present restrictions on the Sale of Beer and other fermented or distilled Liquors, ordered to be brought in by Mr. WILSON, Mr. BIRLEY, Mr. WILLIAM M'ARTUVR, Mr. CAWLEY, Mr. EDWARD G. DAVENPORT, and Mr. OSBORNE MORGAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 69.]

Cruelty To Animals Law Amendment Bill

On Motion of Mr. MUNTZ, Bill to amend the Law relating to Cruelty to dumb Animals, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MUNTZ, Sir THOMAS BAZLKY, and Mr. SAMPSON LLOYD.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 70.]

Apothecaries Act Amendment Bill

On Motion of Sir JOHN LUBBOCK, Bill to amend the Act of the fifty-fifth year of King George the Third, chapter one hundred and ninety-four, intituled "An Act for better Regulating the Practice of Apothecaries in England and Wales," ordered to be brought in by Sir JOHN LUBBOCK, Dr. LYON PLAYPAIR, and Mr. PLUNKET.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 71.]

House adjourned at half after Twelve o'clock.