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Volume 90: debated on Thursday 7 March 1901

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City Of London (Spitalfields Market) Bill (By Order)

Order for Second Reading read.

said it would not, fortunately, be necessary for him to detain the House for more than a few moments. This Bill made provision for the repurchase by the City of London of Spitalfields Market. Many centuries back a market monopoly was granted to the City of London, long before the borough which he had the honour to represent came into existence. It was felt that the time had now arrived when that monopoly should be broken through. He fully concurred that this Bill was one which could not be properly discussed in the House. It required investigation by a Committee upstairs, and he was glad to know that the promoters took the same view, and were prepared to have that full inquiry. It was under- stood that the other Bill referring to the same subject should go to the same Committee, and he did not therefore intend to press tin; motion which stood in his name.

said he understood that the hon. Member in charge of the Bill acquiesced in the arrangement that the two Bills on this subject should go to the same Committee, and he, too, therefore did not press his opposition.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill read a second time, and committed.

Dublin (Equalisation Of Rates) Bill (By Order)

Order for Second Reading read.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."

said he wished in a few words to state the position of the Government in regard to this measure. It would be within the recollection of many hon. Members that a very similar Bill passed the House in 1899, but was abandoned owing to inability to arrive at an agreement in regard to the Lords' Amendment. A similar Bill was also passed by the House last year, and he might mention en passant that the ratepayers had already expended £54,000 in seeking to achieve the object aimed at by this Bill. The Bill of last year was referred to a Joint Committee of both Houses—a Committee of a very-representative character, which unanimously recommended that legislation should be pressed on Parliament following upon the lines of the Loudon Equalisation of Rates Bill. The Leader of the House, when that recommendation was pressed upon him, promised to give it careful consideration, and undertook to inform the promoters before November whether the Government would or would not be, in a position to lend its aid to carry such a Bill during the following session. But the General Election and the reconstruction of the Government rendered [it impossible for them to redeem that pledge. The Government had examined the present Bill, and had found that it was drawn in almost exact accordance with the recommendation of the Committee. But it must be borne in mind that the cases of London and Dublin were not exactly on all fours. London constituted an entity of local government, but in Dublin there were several entities, and there was a danger that some hardship or injustice might arise to the townships concerned from the purely automatic effect of such a measure. The question was to what extent they would benefit from the road lighting and sanitation. The Government would, therefore, feel bound to introduce Amendments to safeguard the townships in that matter. They would not oppose the Second Reading, but it must be perfectly understood that their Amendments must be embodied in the Bill.

on behalf of the promoters, undertook to accept the Government proposals, and MR. MOORE (Antrim, N.) also, under the circumstances, withdrew his opposition to the Second Reading.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill read a second time, and committed.

London Riverside Fish Markets Bill (By Order)

Order for Second Heading read.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time.

said he did not propose to press his opposition to this Bill, although he considered that it was a very bad one. He was, however, confident that when it came to be considered by a Committee it would not be allowed to pass. It set forth statements which he, for one, could not accept, as to the right of the City Corporation to establish markets outside the City boundaries. This question of markets was a vital one to the people of London, and should the Bill pass through the Committee he proposed to reserve to himself the right a t a later stage to oppose it.

said he wished to make the same reservation. He understood, however, that the promoters were willing that the Bill should be subjected to careful investigation upstairs, and he, therefore, would reserve his opposition. Personally, he thought that the City of London ought not to have the right to prohibit the establishment of markets in great towns which had grown up since the time it was granted its monopoly.

Question put, and agreed to.

Bill read a second time, and committed.

Thames Lightermen Bill (By Order)

Order for Second Reading read.

in moving the Second Reading of this Bill, said it was intended to make further provision for navigating lighters and barges on the Thames and in the Port of London, and altering for that purpose Section 66 of the Watermen and Lightermen Act. It was claimed by the Watermen's Company that barges and lighters working in the Port of London and on the Thames between Teddington Lock and Gravesend should be navigated only by men whose qualification was a licence from the Watermen's Company. This Bill, therefore, destroyed a monopoly. If these lightermen went out on strike and refused to navigate barges, the owners had no remedy at all. It was quite true that they could get people in to do the work, as long as the lightermen were on strike, but supposing they had engaged a man to navigate a barge at eight o'clock in the morning, if any lighterman choose to present himself at one o'clock on the same day they were bound to get rid of the man first engaged and to take on the lighterman. Now, the foreign, trade of the Port at Loudon, represented something like 252 millions sterling, and much of it was dealt with by lightermen. It was of great importance that this matter should be looked into, especially when, as happened recently, the lightermen came out on strike for something like three months, with the result that the whole trade was disorganised and the Port of London greatly injured. The difficulty arose from the fact that the owners of barges were unable to navigate their own vessels, and were compelled to employ licensed watermen. He did not think anything could be said against the desirability of making it possible for lightermen to work their own barges. At present the greater part of the work was done by tugs, and the lighterman simply sat in the stern of the barge, which was tugged down the river by steam, and received his pay when he condescended to call for it. His hon. friend opposite had put down an, Amendment to the effect that this Bill ought not to be proceeded with while the Royal Commission on the Port of London was sitting. But in the opinion of the promoters of this Bill this was not a matter which was referred to the Royal Commission. Moreover, it was a matter of great urgency that the Port of London should be protected and enabled to do its own work. He therefore hoped that the Bill might be allowed to pass. But if his right hon. friend the President of the Board of Trade considered that this really was a, matter which was referred to the Royal Commission, and which, therefore, could not properly be proceeded with in this House, he could only say that he would urge very strongly upon him that he should do his best to induce the Royal Commission to take this particular work in hand, and to issue an interim Report. Of course if that were done he would withdraw the Bill.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."

said he had no doubt whatever that this subject was within the reference to the Royal Commission on the Port of London. The Royal Commissioners had themselves taken the same view, for a day or two ago he received a letter from the Watermen's Company, in which the following passage occurred—

"The Royal Commission on the Port of London have notified the Watermen's Company that their rights and privileges are to be inquired into by them, and have allowed the company to he represented by counsel before them."
Under the circumstances it would be very undesirable for this House to take into consideration a Bill dealing with the matter. As to the suggestion of his hon. friend that the Commissioners should be invited to make an interim Report, he was quite willing to bring that to their notice and to leave it for the Commissioners themselves to decide whether or not it was expedient to do so.

said it seemed to him, without going into the merits of the question, that it would not be right, under the particular circumstances which had been drawn attention to, to press the measure, and he was therefore very glad that it was to be withdrawn.

Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

Bill withdrawn.

Private Bills (Standing Order 63 Complied With)

Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills. That, in the case of the following Bill, referred on the First Reading thereof, Standing Order No. 63 has been complied with, viz.:—

Metropolitan Electric Supply Bill.

Ordered. That the Bill be read a second time.

Dublin Corporation (Markets, Etc) Bill (By Order)

London County Council (Spital-Fields Markets) Bill (By Order)

Shipley Improvement Bill (By Order)

Read a second time, and committed.

Paisley Cas Provisional Order

Bill to confirm a Provisional Order under the Burgh Police (Scotland) Act, 1892, relating to Paisley, ordered to be brought in by The Lord Advocate and Mr. Solicitor General for Scotland.

Paisley Gas Provisional Order Bill

"To confirm a Provisional Order under the Burgh Police (Scotland) Act, 1892, relating to Paisley," presented accordingly, and read the first time; to be referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, and to be printed. [Bill 89.]

Selection Of Members For Ser- Vice On Private Bill Committees —Equal Treatment

said the Instruction which he proposed to move spoke for itself, its intention being that equal treatment should be given to all Member's of the House alike, and he ventured to think that the present was a most opportune time for moving such an Instruction, having regard to the fact that this was a new Parliament. A practice had of late grown up to exempt barristers and others who did not care to serve on Select Committees. No such intention existed when such Committees were originally set up, and the practice should no longer be permitted. In the minds of most lion. Members, serving upon these Committees was nothing less than drudgery, and in many cases only performed from a high sense of public duty. A Return which was published in connection with this subject showed that half the Members of the House never served on a single Committee throughout the last Parliament, the result being that half the Members of the House had done the whole of this unpleasant work.* A large number of those who did none of this work were barristers, who claimed exemption, and what lie desired to put a stop to was any favour of this kind being granted to a particular class. Of all people in the world, of all Members of the House, barristers were least entitled to this privilege. They were specially fitted, from their legal training, to sit upon Committees, where the duties consisted of hearing and sifting evidence, and they were men who made the least sacrifices and had most to gain of any class of men who entered Parliament.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That it be an Instruction to the Committee that, in selecting Members to serve on Committees for the consideration of Private Bills, exemption shall not be granted to any Member on the ground of

*The Returns showing the service of Members on Private Bill and Select Committees are included in the Appendices to the last volume of Debates each session.

his private profession, business, or avocation, and all Members shall receive equal treatment and consideration."— ( Mr. D. A. Thomas.)

as Chairman of the Committee of Selection, objected that the motion, if carried, would limit the scope and would take away all discretion from the Committee of Selection as to the choice of Members who should serve. If it were carried, the Selection Committee would be no longer able to select: they would have no choice; they would have merely to establish a sort of rota, every Member in turn having to serve, no matter how unsuitable he might be for the particular Committee for which he was selected. The existing instructions to the Committee were sufficient, in his opinion, and in the opinion of his predecessor, Sir John Mowbray. Therefore he thought the motion should not be accepted, but that the hands of the Committee of Selection should be left free. Neither practising barristers nor any other class had a right to be exempted on the ground of their profession or avocation, but on the other hand it was not right to say that no exemption should be given to any person on any ground. Every application for exemption should be considered on its merits, and the Committee should deal with each case as it came before them. All Members were bound to serve on Committees when called upon, and they ought not to be relieved of their duty except under special circumstances. The power in the hands of the Committee of Selection was a very great power; it was exercised with the greatest care. The way in which the Committee did its work was advantageous to Parliament, and, in. his opinion, it would be undesirable to reconsider the rules. Admittedly committee work was much more arduous than in former times, owing to so many more measures coming before it, and it was as much the duty of Members to serve on Committees as to attend the sittings of the House. He was glad to say that

AYES.

Abraham, Wm. (Rhondda)Archdale, Edward MervynBarlow, John Emmott
Allen, Chas. P. (Glouc., StroudBagot, Capt. Josceline FitlRoyBayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)
Allhusen, Augustus Henry E.Bam, Colonel James RobertBeaumont, Wentworth C. B.
Ambrose, RobertBalcarres, LordBell, Richard

there were encouraging signs that Members were becoming more alive to this duty, and this session fewer Members had endeavoured to raise objections than had been the case for a long time past. On the other hand, he was pleased to say he had had many applications from, young embers eager to serve on Committees, and those applications would be encouraged. Under those circumstances lie urged the House to leave well alone and not to accept the motion of the hon. Member.

did not desire to occupy the attention of the House for more than a momont, but as admittedly there were many Members of me House who never sat on Committees, he thought the motion ought to be supported.

supported the Instruction on the ground of the equality of all Members of the House so far as their duty to their constituencies was concerned. He was glad to learn that many new Members were, as had been suggested, desirous of serving on these Committees, but many new Members not in the position of distinguished lawyers, bankers, or merchants— Members representing Labour constituencies—devoted their time and did their duty as members of these Committees, whilst others were allowed to shirk their duty by obtaining exemptions. This was a matter which affected the whole of the Members of the House, and it was monstrous that one set of Members should receive exemptions which were not extended to all. The fact of the matter was that a certain number of Members wished to have the honour of sitting in the House, but shirked doing their fair share of this arduous and distasteful work. He cordially supported the Instruction.

Question put.

The House divided:—Aves, 130; Noes, 282. (Division List No. 41.)

Boland, JohnHayden. John PatrickPartington, Oswald
Boyle, JamesHayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Pemberton, John S. G.
Brand, Hon. Arthur G.Helme, Norval WatsonPirie, Duncan V.
Brigg, JohnHermon-Hodge, Robert T.Power, Patrick Joseph
Bullard, Sir HarryHobhouse, C. E. H.(Bristol, E.)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Burns, JohnHope, J. F. (Shef'ld, BrightsideRasch, Major Frederic. Carne
Burt, ThomasHorniman, Frederick JohnReddy, M.
Caine, William SprostonHutton, Alfred E. (Morley)Redmond, William (Clare)
Caldwell, JamesJoicey, Sir JamesRenshaw, Charles Bine
Cameron, RobertJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Carew, James LaurenceJoyce, MichaelRussell, T. W.
Channing, Francis AllstonKearley, Hudson E.Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Churchill, Winston SpencerKennedy, Patrick JamesSandys, Lt.-Col Thos. Myles
Cogan, Denis J.Kenyon-Slaney, Col.W.(Salop)Schwann, Charles E.
Colville, JohnLabouchere, HenrySkewes-Cox, Thomas
Condon, Thomas JosephLambert, GeorgeSmith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)Layland-Barratt, FrancisSmith, Samuel (Flint)
Delany, WilliamLeng, Sir JohnSoares, Ernest J.
Dickinson. Robert EdmondLloyd-George, DavidStevenson, Francis S.
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Lough, ThomasStrachey, Edward
Duffy, William J.Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale)Sullivan, Donal
Elibank, Master ofLucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)Taylor, Theodore Cooke
Fardell, Sir T. GeorgeMacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.Thomas, F. Freeman-(Has tings
Farrell, James PatrickMather, WilliamThompson, F.W.(York, W.R.)
Flower, ErnestMolesworth, Sir LewisWarner, Thos. Conrtenay T.
Flynn, James ChristopherMoon, Edward Robert PacyWeir, James Calloway
Furness, Sir ChristopherMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)White, George (Norfolk)
Garfit, WilliamMurphy, J.White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Goddard, Daniel FordNewnes, Sir GeorgeWilliams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Gordon, Maj. Evans (T'rH'mltsNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid)
Grant, CorrieNussey, Thomas WillansWilson, Henry J.(York, W.R.)
Gray, Ernest (West Ham)O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Greville, Hon. RonaldO'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid)Wodehouse, Hn. Armine (Essex
Gurdon, Sir William BramptonO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Wodehouse, Sir J.T (Huddersfd
Guthrie, Walter MurrayO'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.Young, Commander (Berks, E.
Hammond, JohnO'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)Yoxall, James Henry
Hardie, J. Keir (Mcrthyr TydvilO'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Harmsworth, R. LeicesterO'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Harrington, TimothyO'Kelly. J. (Roscommon, N.)Mr. D. A. Thomas and Mr. Fenwick.
Harwood, GeorgeO'Mara, James
Haslem, Sir Alfred S.O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

NOES.

Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F.Bowles, Capt. H.F. (Middlesex)Cross, H. Shepherd (Bolton)
Agg-Gardner, James TynteBowles, T. G. (King's Lynn)Cubitt, Hon. Henry
Agnew, Sir Andrew NoelBrassey, AlbertDalrymple, Sir Charles
Aird, Sir JohnBroadhurst, HenryDavies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan
Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBrodrick, Rt Hon. St. JohnDewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.)
Anson, Sir William ReynellBrookfield, Colonel MontaguDewar, T.R (T'rH'mlets, S. Geo.
Anstruther, H. T.Brunner, Sir John TomlinsonDickson-Povnder, Sir John P.
Arkwright John StanhopeBurdett-Coutts. W.Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Arrol, Sir WilliamCampbell, John (Armagh, S.)Dillon, John
Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisCarble, William WalterDimsdale, Sir J. Cockfield
Atherley-Jones, L.Causton, Richard KnightDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnCavendish, R. F. (N. Lanes.)Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Bailey, James (Walworth)Cavendish, V. C.W.(Derbysh)Duncan, James H.
Baird, John George AlexanderCawley, FrederickDurning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Baldwin, AlfredCecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Dyke. Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. Hart
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'rChamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rEdwards, Frank
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsChaplin, lit. Hon. HenryElliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas
Balfour, Maj. K.R. (Christch.)Charrington, SpencerEllis, John Edward
Banes, Major George EdwardClare, Octavius LeighEmmott, Alfred
Barry, Sir Francis T (WindsorCoddington, Sir WilliamFaber, George Denison
Bartley, George C. T.Coghill, Douglas HarryFarquharson, Dr. Robert,
Bathurst, Hn. Allen BenjaminCohen, Benjamin LouisFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolColomb,Sir John Charles ReadyFerguson, R. C. Mun'ro (Leith)
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeFergusson, Rt. Hn Sir J. (Manc'r
Bigwood, JamesCorbett, T. L. (Down, North)Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Bill, CharlesCox, Irwin Edw. BainbridgeFinch, George H.
Black, Alexander WilliamCraig, Robert HunterFinlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Blake, EdwardCranborne, ViscountFisher, William Hayes
Blundell, Colonel HenryCripps, Charles AlfredFison, Frederick William
Boulnois, EdmundCrombie, John WilliamFitzroy, Hon. E. Algernon

Flannery, Sir FortescueLucas, Reginald J. (PortsmouthRadcliffe, R. E.
Fletcher, Sir HenryMacartney, Rt. Hn W.G. EllisonRedmond, John E.(Waterford)
Forster, Henry WilliamMacdona, John dimmingReid, James (Greenock)
Foster, Sir M. (London Univ.Maconochie, A. W.Rentoul, James Alexander
Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryM'Ciae, GeorgeRidley, Hn. M.W. (Stalybridge
Gibbs, Hn A.G.H. (CityofLond.M'Dermott, PatrickRatcme, Rt. Hn. Chas Thomson
Gibbs, Hn.Vicary (St. Albans)M'Kenna, ReginaldRobertson, Edmund (Dundee)
Gordon, Hn. J.E. (Elgin&NaimM'Killop, James (StirlingshireRoche, John
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.)M'Killop, W. (Sligo, N.)Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Gore, Hon. F. S. Ormsby-M'Laren, Charles BanjaminRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Greene, Sir EW (B'ry S. Edm'dsMajendie, James A. H.Ropner, Colonel Robert
Gretton, JohnMalcolm, IanRoyds, Clement Molyneux
Griffith, Ellis J.Manners, Lord CecilSadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Groves, James GrimbleMarkham, Arthur BasilSamuel, Harry S. (Limehouse
Hain, EdwardMartin, Richard BiddulphSamuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Hambro, Charles EricMaxwell, Rt Hn Sir H E.(Wig'nSassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Hamilton, Rt Hn. Lord G (M'd'xMaxwell, W. J.H. (Dumfriessh.Saunderson, Rt. Hn. Col. Edw. J
Hamilton, Marq of (L'nd'nd'rryMellor, Rt. Hon. J. WilliamSeely, Chas. Hilton (Lincoln)
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Sir WilliamMiddlemore, John T.Seton-Karr, Henry
Hare, Thomas LeighMilner. Rt. Hon. Sir Eredk. G.Sharpe, William Edward T.
Harris, E. Leverton (Tynem'thMilton, ViscountShaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Haslett, Sir James HornerMontagu, G. (Huntingdon)Shaw-Stewart, M. H.(Renfrew
Hay, Hon. Claude GeorgeMontagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants)Simeon, Sir Barrington
Heath, A. Howard (Hanley)Mooney, John J.Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Heath, Jas. (Staffords., N.W.Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Heaton, John HennikerMorgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Helder, AugustusMorgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)Spencer, RtHnC. R. (Northants
Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H.Morley, Charles (Breconshire)Stanley, Hn.Arthur (Ormskirk
Hickman, Sir AlfredMorley, Rt. Hon. J. (Moutrose)Stanley,Edw.James (Somerset
Hoare, Edw. B. (Hampstead)Morrell, George HerbertStanley, Lord (Lanes.)
Hobhouse, Hy. (Somerset, E.)Morris, Hon. Martin Henry F.Stone, Sir Benjamin
Horner, Frederick WilliamMorton, A. H. A. (Deptfo'rd)Stroyan, John
Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenryMount, William ArthurTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Hoult, JosephMowbray, Sir Robert Grav C.Talbot, RtHn.J.G.(Oxt'd Univ.)
Howard, Capt J (Kent, Faversh.Murray, Rt Hn A Graham (ButeThorburn, Sir Walter
Hozier, Hon. James Henry CecilMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Thornton, Percy M.
Hudson, George BickerstethMyers, William HenryTollemache, Henry James
Hughes, Col. EdwinNannetti, Joseph P.Tomkinson, James
Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. L.Newdigate, Francis AlexanderTomhnson, Wm. Edw. Murray
Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickNicholson, William GrahamTrevelyan, Charles Philips
Johnston, William (Belfast)Nicol, Donald NinianTritton, Charles Eruest
Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.Tufnell, Colonel Edward
Jones, David B. (Swansea)Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)Tully, Jasper
Kenyon, James (Lancs., Bury)O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Valentia, Viscount
Kimber, HenryO'Malley, WilliamVincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Kinloch, Sir J. George SmythOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayWallace, Robert
Kitson, Sir JamesPalmer, Sir C M. (Durham)Walrond, Rt. Hon. Sir W. H.
Knowles, LeesPalmer, George W. (Reading)Wanklyn, James Leslie
Law, Andrew BonarPalmer, Walter (Salisbury)Warr, Augustus Frideriek
Lawrence, William E.Parkes, EbenezerWason, E. (Clackmannan)
Lawson, John GrantPaulton, James MellorWason, John C. (Orkney)
Lecky, Rt. Hon. Wm. Edw. H.Pease, H. Pike (Darlington)Welby, Lt-Col A. C. E (Taunton
Lee, Capt A. H. (Hants, Fareh'mPercy, EarlWharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd
Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Perks, Robert WilliamWhitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Legge, Col. Hon. HeneagePilkington, RichardWilliams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurriePlatt-Higgins, FrederickWilliams, Rt Hn J Powell-(Birm
Leighton, StanleyPlummer, Walter R.Wills, Sir Frederick
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S.Powell, Sir FrancesWilson, John (Glasgow)
Loder, Gerald Walter ErskinePretyman, Ernest GeorgeWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Price, Robert JohnWrightson, Sir Thomas
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, SPurvis, RobertWyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Lonsdale, John BrownleePym, C. GuyYoung, Samuel (Cavan, East)
Lowe, Francis WilliamQuilter, Sir CuthbertTELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Lowther, Rt. Hon. J. (Kent)Randies, John S.Mr. Halsey and Mr. Sydney
Loyd, Archie KirkmanRankin, Sir JamesBuxton.

London Underground Railways

Lords Message [5th March], communicating a Resolution relative to the appointment of a Joint Committee on London Underground Railways, considered.

in moving that the House do agree with the Lords in this resolution, said that no less than fourteen Bills had been presented to Parliament that session dealing with tube railways. He had consulted with the Chairman of Committees of the House of Lords and the President of the Board of Trade, and they had come to the conclusion that to refer all these Hills to a Joint Committee would be the best course to pursue. It was obvious that before any of these Bills could proceed there were certain questions which must be determined, such as the shape of the tube, the method by which the power was to be applied, the precautions, if any, which might be taken against vibration, the damages which were to be paid to lessees and occupiers who might suffer from the working of these tubes or from any annoyance, and, perhaps the most important question of all what were to be the lines of communication of these tubes. Those were matters which must occupy the attention of Parliament for a considerable time. It was proposed that power should be given to the Joint Committee to say what Bills were not to be proceeded with that session, and the probability was that none of the Bills would be proceeded with that session. But if the Joint Committee, as be hoped it would, arrived at conclusions on these broad principles this session, it would enable those who proposed to bring forward such Bills to proceed on clear lines next session.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Resolution."—( The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

asked whether the right hon. Gentleman would get the authority of both Houses to consider the relationships of these tubes in connection with parks and open spaces, and also with the preservation of ancient buildings.

said that probably those subjects would come under the terms of reference, but be would call the attention of the Chairman of Committees of the other House to the matter.

Question put, and agreed to.

Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.—( The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

Petitions

Church Discipline

Petition from Dorking, for alteration of Law; to lie upon the Table.

Elementary Education (Higher Grade And Evening Continua- Tion Schools)

Petition from Salford, for alteration of Law; to lie upon the Table.

Sale Of Intoxicating Liquors To Children Bill

Petitions in favour, from Driffield; Greenock (three); Ratcliffe; Kirton-in-Lindsey: Scotter; Whiteinch; Falkirk: Cranstonhill; and Lewisham; to lie upon the Table.

Sale Of Intoxicating Liquors To Children (Scotland) Bill

Petition from Blairgowrie, in favour; to lie upon the Table.

Returns, Reports, Etc

Factory And Workshop Acts (Particulars Of Piece Work Wages) (Pen-Making)

Copy presented, of Order of the Secretary of State, dated 12th July, 1900, applying, with modifications, the provisions of Section 40 of the Factory and Workshops Act. 1895, to Factories and Workshops in which is carried on the making of Pens [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.

Gold Coast

Copy presented, of Correspondence relating to the Ashanti War, 1900 [by-Command]: to lie upon the Table.

China (No 2, 1900)

Copy presented, of Despatch from His Majesty's Ambassador at St. Petersburg respecting the Russo-Chinese Agreement as to Manchuria [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Colonial Reports (Annual)

Copy presented, of Report No. 317 (Jamaica. Report for 1899–1900) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Agricultural Rates Act, 1896

Return ordered, "in the following form, showing for each Parish in the several Poor Law Unions situate wholly or for the most part within the counties of Carmarthen, Carnarvon, Dorset, Essex, Leicester, and Yorks (West Hiding) the rateable value of Agricultural Land and other property, respectively, in the years

Country, Poor Law Union, and Parish.Rateable Value on the 20th day of July, 1896.Rateable Value on the 25th day of March, 1899.Total amount of Poor Rates collected in the year ended Lady Day—Estimated amount, based on Rateable Value, of Poor Rates collected in respect of Agricultural Land and other property, respectively.
Year 1895–6.Year 1899–1900.
Agricultural Land.Other Property.Agricultural Land.Other Property.1896.1900.Agricultural Land (Rate at same amount as that in respect of other property).Other Property.Agricultural Land (Rate at one-half of that in respect of other property).Other Property.
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.
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—( Mr. Henry Hobhouse.)