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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 8: debated on Wednesday 28 July 1909

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New Floating Docks (Pumping Machinery)

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the Admiralty officials responsible for the designs of the two new floating docks have considered the practicability of utilising the pumping machinery to be placed in such docks so that propellers might be fitted and used for the purpose of transporting the docks from one place to another?

The question has received consideration.

That is an entirely separate question; but perhaps the hon. Member would give me notice.

Torpedo Boats 13 And 19 (Collision)

asked the First Lord whether he can give any information with regard to the collision of torpedo boats 13 and 19 and the extent of the resulting damage?

The Admiral Superintendent at Portsmouth reported by wire on the 24th instant that first-class torpedo-boat No. 13 is badly damaged abreast boiler room, and by wire of the 26th instant that framing, longitudinal and four bottom plates require renewal, also repairs to deck fittings, some auxiliary machines and electric installation.

As regards first-class torpedo boat No. 19, the wire of the 24th instant also stated that the steering gear and stern structure of that boat are damaged.

Hms "Blenheim" (Stranding)

asked the First Lord whether he can make any statement regarding the stranding of H.M.S. "Blenheim" at Harwich and the extent of the resulting damage?

No official report has yet been received as to any damage, but from the telegrams announcing the accident the ship appears to be uninjured.

Portsmouth Dockyardmen And The Fleet

asked the First Lord whether he will consider the possibility of arranging for the workmen employed in Portsmouth Dockyard to be taken round the Fleet with a relative either before or after the review on Saturday next; and whether the craft now lying idle in the harbour is capable of performing this service in relays at regular intervals?

There are no vessels now available for this service, and it could not be carried out by vessels now laid up. The proposal made by my hon. Friend would cause great inconvenience to His Majesty's service, if indeed it were at all practicable to effect it.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he can see his way to cancel this chloroforming process?

Boys' Work In Dockyards

asked the First Lord whether his attention has been called to an accident to a boy named Whitaker, aged 14, on the new dock works, Portsmouth, which necessitated the amputation of one leg and involved injury to the other; and what action, if any, has been taken by his Department to prevent young boys being employed upon dangerous works of this character?

The accident was not attributable to the particular nature of the work, which cannot properly be described as dangerous.

Delivery Of Ships (Bonuses To Contractors)

asked the First Lord whether the Government give a bonus to private builders to induce the completion of ships at a date earlier than that contracted for; and have the Government any other means of avoiding the frequent late delivery of such ships?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. With regard to the second part, His Majesty's ships are built under contracts which provide for payment of damages by contractors if delivery is later than the contract date.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether any damages have been paid by contractors in recent years when ships were late, as they have been?

I do not know if the hon. Member has any case in his mind during his own tenure of office. I do not remember a recent one.

I am referring to one during the First Lord's term; the case, for instance, of the "Temeraire."

No, Sir; I have no recent case in my mind; perhaps the hon. Member would give me one.

Destroyers (Messrs Yarrow's Designs)

asked the First Lord whether the designs sent in by Mr. Yarrow some time ago were copied and sent out by the Admiralty to other builders to tender upon; and why is this firm not given the construction of certain of our destroyers, in view of their knowledge and experience in building vessels of this type?

No, Sir; unless the question refers to an incident which took place as far back as the year 1894, when Messrs. Yarrow raised objections to certain of their machinery drawings having been sent to other firms. The firm have built several torpedo-boat destroyers and torpedo boats for His Majesty's service during recent years, and were asked to tender for the torpedo-boat destroyers of last year's programme.

Experimental Submarine Craft (Messrs Beardmore And Company)

asked the First Lord whether Messrs. Beardmore and Company offered to build an experimental submarine craft; and, if so, will he say why the offer was refused?

Messrs Beardmore and Company have not submitted a design of a submarine boat to the Admiralty.

Indentured Coolie Labour (Crown Colonies)

asked the Under-Secretary for the Colonies if he can state whether an application has been received by the Secretary of State from the People's Association of British Guiana, to be heard before the Committee now sitting as to the importation of indentured coolie labour into Crown Colonies; and, if so, could he inform the House whether such application will be acceded to?

The Governor of Trinidad informed the Secretary of State, in a despatch dated 21st June, that a deputation from the People's Association had waited upon him that day to inquire whether one or two representatives of the association might be sent to England to give evidence before the Committee. The Governor further reported that the appointment of the Committee was publicly announced in the Colony in February last, but that up to 21st June no representation had reached him from any person or body desirous of giving evidence. A telegram in the following terms was sent in reply to the association's request:—

"The Committee will be ready to consider any written representations which may be forwarded, but at this late stage of their inquiry they are not prepared to recommend that farther witnesses should be brought over at the public expense, unless some definite matter is brought to their notice winch requires investigation by this means."

Neutrals In Time Of War (Compensation)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether in any one single instance the Russian Government has indemnified a British shipowner for the sinking of his vessel by Russian warships during the war in the Far East; whether the one German owner who suffered under similar circumstances received full compensation nearly two years ago; and whether our Government indemnified at once every German shipowner whose vessel was delayed by our action during the Boer War?

In the cases of the "St. Kilda" and "Ikhona" the Supreme Prize Court at St. Petersburg has decided that the owners of these vessels are entitled to compensation. As regards the "Ikhona" the Libau Prize Court has assessed the compensation at, roughly, £62,000, but the Russian Government have intimated that, in view of an appeal which has been lodged in respect of a small portion of the claim, no payment can be made until after the appeal has been heard. The Libau Court will no doubt assess the damages to be paid in the case of the "St. Kilda" in due course. With respect to the German case to which the hon. Member alludes, I have no information as to the actual payment of compensation. As regards the latter portion of the question, the German vessels alluded to were detained during the months of December, 1899, and January, 1900, and compensation was paid to the German Government in September, 1900.

Assessments And Taxes (System In Scotland)

asked the Lord Advocate whether the system of rating for assessments and taxes is different in Scotland from that usual in England; whether in Scotland the exact valuation or rent paid is taken as the basis for all taxation, whereas in England fully one-third deduction is made for repairs, insurance, etc., before the rateable value is reached on which the taxation is based; and, if so, will he introduce legislation to equalise matters in the two countries?

It is the case that there are differences between the rating systems of England and Scotland. In England, as I understand, all rates are levied on an assessment subject to deductions for repairs and other outgoings, while in Scotland only the poor rate and other rates levied with it are so levied. County and burgh rates are in Scotland levied, as a rule, on the gross yearly value of the rateable subject. As regards assessment for Imperial taxation, the position is different, the basis being the same both as regards the value taken and the deductions for repairs, in England and Scotland. The question of equalising matters would only arise, in my opinion, if the basis of Imperial taxation were different.

If that system does exist and the Licence Duties are based on it is it not an injustice to Scotland?

Education (Scotland) Act, 1908

asked whether the Government will bring in a Bill to amend The Education (Scotland) Act, 1908, so as to enact before the school board elections in 1911 that, on the application of a school board, the Department may for the purposes of the school board election, if they think fit, divide the school board district into two or more electoral divisions, may define the boundaries of such divisions, and may fix the number of members of the school board to be elected within each division?

So long as the cumulative vote is retained, as it is in the Education (Scotland) Act of 1908, the advantage of a sub-division of school board areas for election purposes is at least doubtful. As the hon. Member is aware, an inquiry is at present being conducted as to the best method of voting for Parliamentary and other public purposes, and it scarcely seems expedient that any action such as that proposed by the hon. Member should be taken in the meantime.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that this clause passed the Standing Committee of this House last year, but in some mysterious way it was dropped out without the knowledge of the Scottish Members of Parliament?

Old Sinking Fund

asked the Secretary to the Treasury if any portion, and, if so, how much, of the Old Sinking Fund for the year 1907–8 has been issued to the Commissioners for the reduction of the National Debt since the close of the last financial year?

The whole of the Old Sinking Fund of 1907–8 was, in accordance with the provisions of section 5 of the National Debt (Sinking Fund) Act, 1875, issued to the National Debt Commissioners before the 1st April last.

also asked whether any part of the Old Sinking Fund, 1907–8, has been applied to the repayment of money temporarily borrowed for the purpose of paying interest on Consols or other Government securities; and, if so, under what authority the old Sinking Fund can be used for purposes other than the redemption or repayment of funded debt?

The sum of £1,500,000 out of the Old Sinking Fund of 1907–8 has, under section 5 of the National Debt (Sinking Fund) Act, 1875, been applied by the National Debt Commissioners in paying off advances made by the Bank of England in pursuance of section 12 of the Exchequer and Audit Act, 1866. The hon. Member will see, if he consults the latter Act, that the character and purposes of these advances is by no means accurately reflected in the description "money temporarily borrowed for the purpose of paying interest on Consols or other Government securities."

Am I to understand that the £1,500,000 is not applied to the redemption of the Funded Debt?

No, Sir. The Old Sinking Fund is applicable either to the reduction of Exchequer Bonds or Exchequer Bills, or specifically, under the Act of 1875, which I have quoted, to the repayment of advances made from the Bank of England or Ireland.

Then this payment does not go to the reduction of the National Funded Debt of the country?

The hon. Member will get an answer to that in my reply to the next question.

asked on how many occasions during the last ten years has the Old Sinking Fund been applied to the payment of loans contracted for current expenses instead of to the repayment of the Funded Debt; and the date of those occasions?

On no occasion during the last 10 years has the Old Sinking Fund been applied in its entirety to the redemption of Funded Debt. I am not certain what is meant by "loans contracted for current expenses," but I may state that the Old Sinking Fund of the years 1898–9, 1899–1900, and 1905–6 was applied either partially or wholly to the repayment of advances made by the Bank of England under section 12 of the Exchequer and Audit Act, 1866.

Ardglass Harbour (Churn Rock)

asked when steps will be taken to have the Churn Rock removed from Ardglass Harbour, county Down, and the harbour properly dredged; and whether the delay in dealing with these matters is productive of great inconvenience and loss to local merchants and shippers?

I am advised that the cost of removing the Churn Rock from the harbour would be out of all proportion to the advantages that could result from such removal. The harbour is dredged at regular intervals, and no special dredging is at present required. On the information before me, I am unable to agree that there is any delay in dealing with these matters or that any inconvenience and loss is caused to local merchants and shippers.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that his predecessor in office admitted in an answer given in this House that great delay and inconvenience was caused, and that he promised this matter would receive consideration?

I have made special inquiries at such sources as I have at hand, and that is the information I have received. If there is any other information which the hon. Member can give me I am willing to make further inquiries.

Who reported to the right hon. Gentleman that the blowing up of Churn Rock in the middle of the harbour would cost an enormous amount of money?

I did not say that. What I said was that the cost of removing the rock would be out of proportion to the advantage gained.

Irish Land Bill (Treasury Estimate)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury if, in order to illustrate the effect of the Irish Land Bill now before Parliament if enacted, he will state what the Treasury estimate will be, the annual payment for principal and interest respectively; the number of years it must be made; and the total amount in principal and in interest which must be paid by a tenant purchaser of a £25 yearly rent at the average price of Irish land since 1903?

A tenant purchaser of a £25 yearly rent at the average price of Irish land since 1903, say, 22.7 years purchase, would pay under the present Irish Land Bill an annuity at 3J per cent, of £567 10s.—£19 17s. 3d., or, of which ½ per cent, or £2 16s. 9d. represents payment to Sinking Fund. If the Sinking Fund accumulates as on the average it probably will do so as to repay the principal in 65½ years, the total payment made by the tenant purchaser at the end of that period will have been £1,301, of which £567 10s. will represent the repayment of principal.

Children Act (Trial Of Cases In Juvenile Courts)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in order to secure to children the full advantage of the Children Act, he would cause a circular letter to be sent from the Home Office to all newspaper editors suggesting that there should be no reports published of cases in juvenile courts?

The Act expressly provides for the admission of Press representatives in juvenile courts; and I do not think I could advise such a circular as the hon. Member suggests. A certain measure of publicity for the proceedings of courts of justice seems to me desirable, and this no less for juvenile courts than for others. I should view with considerable apprehension a state of things in which no notice was taken in the public Press of the mode in which delinquent children were dealt with by the courts of summary jurisdiction; but I am sure the Press would generally refrain from publishing the names of children in special cases where the magistrates might express an opinion that it was unnecessary and undesirable.

Could my right hon. Friend suggest to the magistrates that the children's names should be kept out of the newspapers?

If it is shown that such a circular is desirable I should be pleased to adopt my hon. Friend's suggestion.

Will the right hon. Gentleman send a circular round to the magistrates on this point?

Cattle-Maiming At Walton, Burton-On-Trent

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that cattle-maiming has taken place on the farm of Mr. James, at Walton, near Burton-on-Trent; will he say how many animals were mutilated, how many disembowelled, and how many have died; and whether any arrests have been made?

I am informed that three calves were killed on the farm in question; their throats were cut, and two of them were also badly mutilated. On an adjoining farm a sheep has been killed. No clue has yet been discovered to the perpetrator of these abominable outrages.

Is it not a fact that a number of cattle-maiming outrages have occurred in this district over a short period of years?

Not in this particular district. I think my hon. Friend is referring to a district not far distant.

Am I right in assuming that this county is in England and not in Ireland?

In regard to the owners of these cattle, are they entitled to compensation from the grand juries of the counties or from the county court judge?

Newport Docks (Accidents During Construction)

asked the Home Secretary whether he can state the number of accidents, fatal and otherwise, which have occurred on the new dock works at Newport during the time of their construction prior to 31st May, 1909?

I am informed by the contractors that from the commencement of the contract on 1st June, 1905, to 31st May of this year there have been five fatal accidents, 31 non-fatal accidents, for which compensation exceeding £5 was paid, and 87 accidents for which less than £5 compensation has been paid. Work has been carried on day and night.

Checkweighing In Various Industries Bill

asked the Home Secretary when it is intended to proceed with the Checkweighing in Various Industries Bill?

The general purpose of this Bill, which is to remove long standing points of friction, has been agreed to by the parties concerned. I am anxious to get a second reading at the earliest opportunity.

Seizure Of Newspapers (Trafalgar Square)

asked the Home Secretary if his attention has been called to the action of the police in Trafalgar-square on Sunday last, 25th July, in attacking several persons, men and women, who were engaged in selling a newspaper called "Justice," and tearing the papers from them and confiscating them; and whether he will cause inquiry to be made into the matter, or if he can give any explanation of this action on the part of the police?

The police seized, without using unnecessary force, certain papers which contained pictorial and press matter of a nature calculated to incite to crime and to provoke a disturbance of the peace. Their action, in my opinion, was fully justified.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether retribution has not properly overtaken those who sell "Justice"?

I wish to ask whether the Home Secretary saw a copy of the paper before instructions were given to the Chief Commissioner of Police?

Am I to understand that the freedom of the Press is entirely in the hands of the Chief Commissioner of Police?

When the freedom of the Press is abused the police have to act in the execution of their duty.

If the police cannot form their own opinions, they can consult those who are over them, who have special responsibility.

Would it not be as well to consult the Czar before you introduce Russian methods?

Will the right hon. Gentleman give these policemen billets in India?

Children Act (Railway Refreshment Rooms, London Termini)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if his attention has been called to the fact that at certain of the termini of the great railways in London children are prohibited from entering the refreshment rooms and bars even when accompanied by their parents; and if he proposes to issue a circular letter or other notice to prevent this infraction of the Children Act?

My attention has not been called to this matter; but, assuming the facts are as stated, there has not been any infraction of the Children Act. The Act provides that the section prohibiting children from being in the bar of licensed premises shall not apply to railway refreshment rooms; but it certainly does not impose any obligation on the companies to admit children.

Imprisonment In Default Of Payment Of Fines

asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the fact that about 25,000 persons are each year imprisoned throughout the Kingdom in default of pay- ment of the fines imposed on them, he will consider the advisability of allowing these prisoners the opportunity of paying the fines by instalments?

The existing law makes ample provision for allowing defendants time to pay their fines, and to pay them by instalments. I am not sure that courts of summary jurisdiction are always as ready as they might be to take advantage of these provisions, and I have repeatedly urged on magistrates the desirability of doing so, both in particular cases where their powers in this matter appear to have been overlooked and by drawing attention to a circular on this subject issued by my predecessor at the Home Office to all courts of summary jurisdiction in June, 1905. The matter is one of great importance, as the committal of defendants to prison in default of the payment of fines which if time were allowed they might have paid, may involve great hardship on the persons so committed, and, if they are first offenders, may seriously detract from the deterrent effect which imprisonment ought to have.

Small Holdings Act (Soke Of Peterborough County Council)

asked the hon. Member for South Somerset, as representing the President of the Board of Agriculture, if he is aware of the fact that the small holdings committee of the county council of the Soke of Peterborough recommended the purchase for small holdings of 300 acres in Newborough; if he is aware that this recommendation was approved by Mr. Cheney, one of the Commissioners to the Board of Agriculture; that the county council of the Soke of Peterborough has declined to carry out the recommendation of its small holdings committee and the Board's Commissioner; that the matter was brought before the council, and that the council deliberated the question with closed doors, after excluding the Press, and that at the close of the meeting the Press were informed that there was nothing to communicate: and if he would say what steps the Hoard intend to take to-assert its authority over this council and uphold the position of its own Commissioner?

The reply to the first, second, and third queries is in the affirmative. We do not know whether the discussion mentioned was private or not, or what communication was made to the Press. The county council have now held their proposed inquiry into the applications for small holdings, and they have definitely approved seven applications for 105 acres. They expect to be able to satisfy this demand almost immediately by the acquisition of land by voluntary agreement, and they do not consider it necessary to acquire any other land at present. At the moment, therefore, there is no necessity for further intervention on the part of the Board.

May I ask the hon. Gentleman whether only seven out of 33 applicants are to have land, and whether all the others are to be shunted on one side?

I will inquire. They have told us they have only approved of these seven applicants.

Is it not a fact that the Board of Agriculture and their Commissioners actually approved of the purchase of 300 acres of small holdings, and that 105 acres only was the amount approved by the county council?

Is it not a fact that these applicants went before the special committee appointed by the county council with full power to act, and that although 30 were recommended by the special committee, only seven have been approved?

My hon. Friend knows that the difficulty has arisen from the fact that the county council thought fit, and no doubt it had the power to overrule the recommendations of their committee.

Is it not also a fact that the county council overruled the recommendations of the Small Holdings Commissioners?

Can we have the reason why so many applicants have been refused?

I have already informed my hon. Friend the Member for Northants that I will inquire into that.

asked if the county council of the Soke of Peterborough has asked the Board's opinion with regard to the question of payment of valuer's charge incurred over the proposal to purchase 300 acres at Newborough, recommended by the small holdings committee, approved by the Board's Commissioner, and rejected by this council; and in such a case what action the Board proposes to take?

Merchant Vessels And Warships

asked the President of the Board of Trade if there is any fine or penalty or objection to the renewal of the certificate in the case of a merchant vessel which, in defiance of the Board of Trade notice, passes through or breaks the line of any squadron of warships?

No specific penalty is provided for disregard of the official warning to which the hon. Member refers, but if the course followed constitutes either a breach of the collision regulations or amounts to negligent navigation a competent court would have power to inflict a penalty or award damages.

If a case of infraction of this rule were brought to the notice of the Board of Trade would they not be able to take action when the certificate comes up for renewal?

That is a hypothetical question which it is impossible for me to answer.

Scottish Railway Companies (Question Of Rebates)

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been called to the fact that the Scottish railway companies have of late months refused to allow rebate where they have quoted a rate including handling by their servants at both ends of the journey, but where the consigners by their servants have themselves done both handlings; if so, is he aware that this is contrary to the decisions made by the Railway and Canal Commissioners; and will he, in view of the fact that traders are refraining, on account of the cost exceeding the sum involved, from fighting such points before the Commissioners, take any steps to induce the railway companies in Scotland to abide by the rulings of the Commissioners?

My attention has not previously been called to this matter, but if my hon. Friend will furnish me with particulars I will consider whether I can usefully communicate with the companies concerned.

Finance Bill

Licence Duties (Basis Of Valuation)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, seeing that, in reply to a deputation of London Liberal Members, he has stated that he was prepared to undertake that the Licence Duties should be revalued on the basis of the actual trade done in the houses and not on the present rateable value, he will say if the same principle will be applied to the Scotch hotels?

The question of the valuation is dealt with in Clause 30 of the Finance Bill. It is not possible to complete a revaluation of licensed premises during the current licence year, but it is intended as soon as possible to revalue all fully licensed premises (including hotels and on-beerhouses) throughout the United Kingdom, when the actual trade of each house will be taken into consideration for the purpose of arriving at the proper annual value upon which the duties on the licences are to be charged.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if the term "trade," as used, only applies to beer and spirits sold, or to the general trade of the hotel?

Will any estimate of the cost of this valuation be presented to the House?

May I ask whether the valuation is to be made each year, or periodically, because the trade done on any particular licensed premises varies from time to time?

French Cider (Quantities Imported)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he is aware that a firm of French cider merchants are advertising cider for sale by retail in this country; if he can state the quantity and value of cider of all kinds imported into this country in each of the last five years; and what Import Duty he proposes to put on to countervail the proposed Cider Manufacturers' and Dealers' Licences?

My right hon. Friend is not aware of any advertisement such as is referred to in the question. The quantity of cider and perry imported in each of the last five years is as follows:—

Value.
Gallons.£
1904613,78622,463
1905385,04415,188
1906289,88911,315
1907191,1427,829
1908284,69110,571

There is no Excise Duty on cider or perry manufactured in this country, and the licence for the sale of cider or perry will be equally necessary whether the cider or perry is made in this country or is imported. The proposed licence to be taken out by a manufacturer of cider or perry, which also authorises sale by wholesale, is only at the same rate of duty (namely, £5 5s. per annum) as the licence to be taken out by a dealer in cider or perry. My right hon. Friend does not think that a countervailing duty is necessary.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the French cider merchants send circulars to consumers of cider, and that if they obtain sales in that way they thereby evade the dealers' licence?

:I have no doubt they do send out circulars, out they do not appear to get much sale.

Home And Foreign Made Spirits (Revenue)

asked what was the amount of revenue derived from homemade spirits during the year ended 31st March, 1909, and the amount derived from foreign spirits?

The amount of revenue derived from home-made spirits during the year ended 31st March, 1909, was £17,456,000, and from imported spirits during the same period £3,961,000.

asked how much of the estimated additional revenue of £1,600,000 from the increased Spirit Duty will be derived from home-made spirits and how much from foreign spirits?

Of the estimated additional revenue of £1,600,000 the amount to be derived from home-made spirits is £1,200,000, and from foreign spirits £400,000.

Income Tax On Dividends

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he would state the reason why some half-yearly dividends on inscribed stocks payable at this period of the year are debited with Income Tax at 1s. 2d. in the £, and other stocks, on which dividends are payable at the same time and for the same period, are debited at 1s. Id. only in the £ in respect of Income Tax; and would he state in what way the amounts which have been received in excess of the legal rate are dealt with?

The difference in the rate may be due to the different nature of the stock. I will forward to the hon. Member a copy of the printed Memorandum on the subject issued by the Board of Inland Revenue, which will, I think, make the matter clear to him.

Evicted And Untenanted Farm (Colonel Smythe, Barbavilla, Westmeath)

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if he would say whether the refusal of the Estates Commissioners to reinstate Mrs. Biggs in the farm from which she was evicted, which is vacant on Colonel Smythe's hands, is in the exercise of their discretion or in pursuance of counsel's opinion; and, in the latter case, if he would produce a copy of the case submitted and of counsel's opinion on it?

:I have already informed the hon. Member, in reply to the question asked by him on 16th June, that the Estates Commissioners, in the exercise of their discretion, decided not to acquire this farm. That decision was based on a full consideration of the case, and not on counsel's opinion.

asked the Chief Secretary whether he is aware that Colonel Smythe, of Barbavilla, has repeatedly tried to get a new tenant to take the Riggs evicted farm on his estate and is now under an agreement to let it to a new tenant, who will take it as soon as the evicted family has been provided for; and if, in these circumstances, the Estates Commissioners will continue to regard the farm as a home farm to which the Evicted Tenants Act does not apply?

The Estates Commissioners have no knowledge of the matters mentioned in the first part of the question. They are not prepared to reconsider their decision that the farm in question cannot be acquired compulsorily under the Evicted Tenants Act.

Is it in the power of a landlord to defeat the Evicted Tenants Act by calling an evicted farm a home farm?

It is not in the power of a landlord to determine whether a portion of a farm is a home farm or not. That is a matter for the Estates Commissioners to consider, having regard to all the circumstances of the case.

Did the Estates Commissioners before arriving at this decision give Mrs. Riggs an opportunity of being heard?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that with regard to this question of the evasion of the Act, the Commissioners seem to take the word of the landlord and not of the tenant at all?

Estates Commissioners (Annual Report)

asked the Chief Secretary if he is now in a position to say when the Report of the Estates Commissioners for the year ending on the 31st March last will be available?

The Estates Commissioners hope that the Report will be available to the public before the end of next month.

Auditors (Ireland)

asked the Chief Secretary if he will say whether the refusal of the Local Government Board for Ireland to supply particulars of costs imposed upon ratepayers by wrong decisions of their auditors reversed on appeal is due to the number of such cases or to the absence of records; how any difficulty in the matter arises; whether the costs in such cases, or in any of them, occurring within the present year will be made available; and, if so, when?

The information which the hon. Member requires could only be obtained by the courtesy of the local authorities, their solicitors, and the various persons affected by the surcharges. It would put them to trouble and expense in searching the records; and the cost would be out of all proportion to any possible value the return might have.

Sub-Sheriffs At Evictions (Ireland)

asked the Chief Secretary whether his attention has been called to cases in which a sub-sheriff carrying out an eviction has refused when asked to read or produce the authority under which he acted; and, in view of the inability of persons so treated, owing to their poverty, to bring actions, does he propose to correct in any way the practice in question?

My attention has not been called to any case of the kind, nor have I any controlling power in such matters.

Petitions To Prime Minister (Votes For Women)

asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware that six working women of the wage-earning class waited for several hours on Wednesday last on the pavement outside the House with the object of presenting a Petition to him in his capacity as First Minister of the Crown in favour of women being allowed to vote at Parliamentary elections; and whether he will consent now to receive such a deputation and allow them to present their Petition and state their case to him in an orderly fashion?

I am afraid I can do no more than refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave in reply to a similar question on Monday.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there are large numbers of women in favour of the enfranchisement of women who during the recent agitation have refrained from all methods of forcible disturbance, but who desire to represent to him their wishes before the Government commences to formulate proposals for amending the law relating to the franchise, and whether he cannot hold out some hope to these ladies that he will see some of them in the course of the present year?

I quite recognise that the ladies to whom the hon. Member refers stand in a very different position to those who seek to attain their end by annoyance and other ways, and I have communicated with them to the effect that if they have any new facts for consideration I am quite ready to consider whether the matter would be advanced by receiving them.

House Of Commons Officials And All Night Sittings

asked the. Prime Minister whether he is aware that, in consequence of the recent lengthy sittings of the House, the hours of duty of the permanent officials and attendants have been prolonged almost to the limits of human endurance, and that in one or more cases only two hours' rest was possible between Monday morning and Wednesday evening last; and if he will make arrangements to prevent the possibility of such long periods of duty in future?

I am informed that when the sittings of the House are prolonged beyond the ordinary limits, a system of reliefs come into operation in order to lessen, as far as possible, the strain put upon the messengers and attendants by the long hours on which they have to be on duty. As regards the police, my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary has already stated that when extra duties, as in the case of long sittings, have, to be performed, the extra hours spent on duty are recognised by the grant of equivalent time in the shape of "time off" duty on other occasions, and also of "special leave." There is no special system of relief. The grant of equivalent "time off" frequently enables the police to obtain good week-end holidays, which they could not otherwise enjoy.

Cannot arrangements be made so that during all night sittings the police may be supplied with refreshments at the public expense?

Will precautions be taken to prevent a recurrence of the condition of things stated in the question?

I am not in a position to give a guarantee that these things will not recur, but every precaution will be taken.

Board Of Agriculture Bill

asked the Prime Minister if the Secretary to the Board of Agriculture Bill is not reached before the House adjourns on Wednesday, the 28th Instant, whether he will give it a first place on Friday, the 30th?

I hope the Bill to which my hon. Friend refers may be reached to-day, but the arrangements already made will preclude its being taken on Friday.

Soke Of Peterborough Allotments

asked the Prime Minister if his attention has been called to the failure of the county council of the Soke of Peterborough to carry out its duties with regard to the Small Holdings Act; if so, whether the Board of Agriculture will undertake to supply small holdings where it has not been done by councils like that of the Soke of Peterborough; and if, in view of these facts, he will take steps at the earliest possible moment to pass through this House the Bill to create the new office of Secretary to the Board of Agriculture?

The Prime Minister has asked me to reply to this question. As I have already informed my hon. Friend in reply to question 29, the county council expect to be able to satisfy the approved demand for small holdings at an early date, and in these circumstances it is not necessary for the Board to intervene. The latter part of the question has been answered by the Prime Minister.

My hon. Friend may rest assured that the Board will, if necessary, exercise all the powers they have.

Cabinet Committee Of Naval Inquiry

asked the Prime Minister whether any statements setting forth the nature of the evidence which has been laid before the Cabinet Committee of Naval Inquiry now sitting, and the conclusion at which that Committee will arrive have been communicated to the Press or otherwise made public by the direct or indirect action of any Member of the Committee, or of any of the witnesses who have appeared before it; and, if so, whether he will take steps to prevent the leakage of information which is regarded as confidential?

Has the right hon. Gentleman inquired of any of his colleagues as to the matter to which allusion in made?

I think it would be extremely disrespectful to make such an inquiry of any one.

Land Purchase (Ireland)

asked the Chief Secretary the average number of years' purchase of rent paid by purchasing tenants under each of the Irish Land Purchase Acts without bonus, the average number under the Act of 1903 with bonus, and the total amount of principal and of interest, respectively, paid in a normal term by a purchaser of a £25 yearly rent at the average price under each of the Acts?

This question is in substance the same as one which the hon. Member addressed to my hon. Friend the Secretary to the Treasury on the 22nd instant. As he was then informed, the figures which he requires could not be given without imposing an enormous amount of labour on the staff of the Land Commission, who are fully occupied with more important business.

Wakely Estate, Mount Shannon

asked the Chief Secretary when the Estates Commissioners propose to deal with the Wakely estate, Mount Shannon; is he aware that this estate has been in the hands of the Commissioners for a number of years, and that the district is largely congested; and, having regard to the need of providing these small occupiers with some additional land, will he communicate with the Estates Commissioners and represent to them the advisability of handling this estate as soon as possible?

This estate is being sold direct to the tenants. As the purchase agreements were not lodged until April, 1908, some considerable time must elapse before it can be dealt with by the Estates Commissioners, having regard to the prior claims of other estates.

Mrs Hibbert's Estate, Mount Shannon, Clare

asked the Chief Secretary whether the claim of Thomas Delany, of Mount Shannon, county Clare, an evicted tenant on the estate of Mrs. Hibbert, of Woodpark, Mount Shannon, has been listed amongst those to be dealt with by the Estates Commissioners; and, if not, wall he explain the reasons which influenced the Commissioners in their decision to exclude this man from the benefits of the Evicted Tenants Act?

The Estates Commissioners, in the exercise of their discretion, have decided to take no action on this man's application. It would be contrary to the established practice to state the grounds of their decision.

Polling Districts (Ireland) Act, 1908 (Rules)

asked when the rules under the Polling Districts (Ireland) Act, 1908, will be issued?

The rules have been drafted and submitted to counsel. They require very careful consideration, but the Local Government Board hope to be in a position to issue them shortly.

Registry Of Deeds Office (Searches)

asked the Chief Secretary whether, owing to inadequate staff in the Registry of Deeds Office, the searches are delayed sometimes for months, to the inconvenience of councils acquiring lands under the Labourers' Acts; whether the free searches under the Labourers Acts are deferred whilst paid searches are being dealt with; and whether steps will at once be taken to augment the staff in order that it may be enabled to cope with the work?

The Registrar of Deeds informs me that there has been some unavoidable delay owing to the unprecedented pressure on the searching branch of his Department. So far as is practicable requisitions for searches are dealt with in order of priority, but if this practice were rigidly adhered to the ordinary transactions for the transfer and mortgaging of land would be completely blocked by the 2,000 requisitions for searches under the Labourers Acts lodged since the beginning of the year. As I have already stated in reply to a question asked by the hon. Member for West Wicklow on?3th instant, every effort is being made to meet the unprecedented pressure of business, and the stall are working overtime with that object.

Has consideration been given to the suggestion that the staff should be increased to enable it to cope with this work?

Yes, Sir; but it is undesirable to augment the staff merely during temporary work.

Outrages At Doolin, Clare

asked the Chief Secretary whether the house of John Williams, of Doolin, county Clare, was fired into on the night of Sunday, 11th July; that John Williams is rent-warner and steward to Mr. H. V. Macnamara, on whose estate at Doolin there have been extensive cattle-drives; and that an United Irish League organiser held a meeting at Doolin and another at Lisdoon-varna on Sunday, 4th July; and what steps are being taken to protect Mr. H. V. Macnamara's employés from intimidation and outrage?

The statements in the first part of the question are correct. All the men in Mr. Macnamara's employment are afforded protection, a number of police being employed exclusively on this duty.

Outrages, County Galway

asked the Chief Secretary whether three cases of firing into dwellings have occurred recently in county Galway, and that a heifer belonging to Mr. Conroy has been maliciously destroyed on the Tyrone estate, near Headford; and whether, as the result of police investigations into these cases, any arrests have taken place?

There have recently been two cases of firing into dwellings in county Galway, and a third case where shots were fired outside a house. A heifer was also killed, as stated in the question. So far the police have not succeeded in tracing the persons who committed these offences.

Portadown Catholic Excursions

asked the Chief Secretary why the local district inspector of police on 27th June last ordered a body of excursionists belonging to the Catholic Total Abstinence Society of Portadown to leave the train at the goods station at Portadown on their return from Armagh; whether due notice of this excursion was given to Dublin Castle and promises received from there of ample protection for the excursionists both in going and in coming, and that, although the excursionists had neither band nor banner, a crowd was permitted to collect and groan at them on their departure for Armagh, and the assistance of civilians was called in by the police to restrain this crowd, the number of police present being quite insufficient to maintain order; whether on the arrival of the excursionists from Armagh the district inspector had under his control nearly 200 police; why this force was not requisitioned to protect the excursionists and enable them to detrain in the usual way and at the usual place; whether there was any explanation of the fact that the district inspector with 200 armed men at his command felt it his duty to ask the excursionists to submit to a condition of this nature in order to save themselves from attack; and whether, in view of the indignation which has been aroused amongst the Catholics of Portadown by this incident, he will order a full and impartial inquiry into the whole of the circumstances connected with it?

It is, I understand, scarcely correct to say that the police ordered the excursionists to leave the train at the goods station; but the police persuaded them to detrain at that place, with the object of avoiding a possible conflict, as large hostile crowds had assembled near the passenger station awaiting the excursionists' return. This course of action was the result of an antecedent arrangement with the Rev. Father McDonald, the leader of the excursionists, and was carried out with his consent. The Rev. Canon Grimes, parish, priest, also attended at the goods platform, and very kindly assisted in getting, the excursionists to leave the train there,, as some of them were reluctant to do so. It is the fact that a promise of protection had been given, and the police had made all necessary arrangements for the preservation of the peace. The crowds-which had assembled when the excursionists were starting in the morning showed their hostility by groaning, but the police prevented any collision. The force under the control of the district inspector on the return of the excursion party was sufficient for its protection, but it was thought better to avoid any chance, of a collision between the two parties. There was no intention of slighting the excursionists, and I understand that the Catholic magistrates in the town have complimented the police on their arrangements. It is, I think, to be regretted that the opposite party at Portadown has thought fit to make the circumstance of the detraining at the goods station the occasion of a triumph, with the result of accentuating the ill-feeling which unhappily exists between the parties there. I am fully aware of the facts, and see no reason for any inquiry.

Is it not the duty of the Executive and of the police to take all possible measures for the protection of excursionists; is there any precedent for asking excursionists to detrain at a goods station, and would that have been done in the case of an Orange excursion?

I quite agree that it is the duty of the police to afford protection in these cases, and I am satisfied there was on this occasion a sufficient force of police to secure that protection and to prevent any serious interference with the excursionists. But I think the hon. Member will agree with me it is desirable, where possible, to avoid even a chance of a scrimmage, and if the parties concerned agreed, as in this case, to adopt the course suggested so as to avoid a political crowd, I do not think there was any harm in taking such a precautionary measure. We understand that in this case it was done with the consent of the leaders, and I am bound to say that, in my opinion, it was a very desirable arrangement in the interests of peace.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in consequence of this weakness on the part of the Executive and the action of the police a perfect reign of terror has been established in Portadown against the Catholics: and may I also ask him on whose information the right hon. Gentleman bases his statement that the Catholic clergyman consented to this arrangement, because I am informed that the Catholic clergyman never consented to any such arrangement; and I ask him again is it the duty of the police to protect the excursionists?

The first two questions are permissible. As to the third, it has already been answered.

May I respectfully point out that I did put the question, and asked was it the duty of the police to protect these inoffensive citizens, and the right hon. Gentleman says it is, but they have not done so, and I want an explanation.

I really think that all the police authorities did their best to avoid, what I call, the beginning of trouble. We had there a sufficient force to protect life and limb and to secure these excursionists the free right to go about. We could not guarantee that no stones would be thrown, but we hoped that the police adopting these precautionary measures, with the consent of the parties concerned, the difficulties would have been avoided.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that so far from these precautionary measures being successful, the subsequent proceedings on the 12th of July proved that the weakness of the police had only encouraged the mob to fresh acts of violence against Catholic citizens?

This is the beginning of a debate, and not a case of question and answer.

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he is aware that in a letter addressed to the Very Reverend Canon Grimes, parish priest of Portadown, the Under-Secretary at Dublin Castle promised, on behalf of the Lords Justices, that ample police arrangements would be made for the preservation of the public peace in Portadown; whether he is aware that on the 11th July a procession of Orangemen, wearing regalia, marched under police protection through an almost exclusively Catholic portion of Portadown to and from a church in the neighbourhood, although the ordinary and direct road to and from the church is much shorter; whether he is aware that on the 13th July Orange drumming parties were allowed to parade through the Catholic district in a provoking manner, cursing the Pope and playing party tunes, under the protection of the police, and that a series of scuffles took place, and several persons were injured, and afterwards a number of shots were fired by Orangemen going home through the district, and whether any prosecutions have taken place in connection with these outrages; whether he is aware that in William-street, where the Catholic Church is, and where half the population is Catholic, the Orangemen were permitted to erect an arch across the street a few yards from the church, and to keep it there until the?4th, to the annoyance of the people attending the church; whether drumming parties, contrary to all precedent, were permitted under the eyes of the police to march up and down the street, and to act in an offensive manner opposite the church; whether he is aware of the indignation which has been aroused by these occurrences, taken in conjunction with the treatment of the Catholic procession on 27th June, which was subjected to insult and compelled to detrain at the goods station, although they were assured of full protection by Dublin Castle; and whether he will order a searching inquiry into the conduct of the police in this matter, and give some guarantee that in future the Catholics of Portadown will enjoy the full measure of protection to which they are entitled by law?

The question covers a good deal of ground, and I have not sufficient information to give it the detailed reply which it deserves, and I hope the hon. Member will postpone it.

Is it not the fact that Portadown is one of the most peaceful portions of the country, and may I ask whether this class of question is not quite uncalled for, considering the peaceable and good terms upon which all classes in the town live?

I am sorry to say that there are certain days of the year when Portadown does not deserve the character which the hon. and gallant Gentleman gives it.

Territorial Force (Camp Canteens, Scotland)

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that the canteens in connection with the Territorial camps in Scotland are open for the sale of intoxicating liquors on Sundays, to the great detriment of many of the young men in camp; and whether he will issue an order that in future such liquors shall not be purveyed on the Sabbath day, but that the canteens shall conform to the Forbes Mackenzie Act, as is usual in Scotland?

The Territorial Forces, when out for training in camp, are subject to military law, and as regards canteens come under the same regulations as are applicable to the Regular Forces. The sale of intoxicating liquors on Sundays in regimental canteens is prohibited during Divine service, and at other times canteens are open at such hours as the officer commanding the station may direct. I would point out to my hon. Friend that it would be difficult to defend differential treatment of troops in the United Kingdom.

Field Ambulance (Mobilisation At Aldershot)

asked the Secretary of State for War if he will state what percentage of officers, men, and horses have been obtained for the field ambulance whose mobilisation was announced to take place for two days at Aldershot at the beginning of August?

No field ambulance is going to be mobilised at Aldershot at the beginning of August.

First Cavalry Brigade (Horses)

asked the Secretary of State for War if he will state whether any horses of the first cavalry brigade at Aldershot have been lent or are going to be lent to the field artillery for mobilisation on Salisbury Plain?

Territorial Force (Entrenchments)

asked whether arrangements have been made to enable the Territorials to acquire practical experience in making entrenchments during their forthcoming annual training, in view of the fact that entrenching operations will constitute almost the first work, and not the least important work, of the Territorial Army in the event of a hostile raid on these shores?

The necessary arrangements rest with the general officer commanding concerned. Where ground is available entrenching operations usually form part of the instruction of the Territorial Force. The necessary tools are kept in store for units of the force to use.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that, in some cases, where such exercises as mentioned in the question have been ordered, it has not been possible to carry them out, because the troops have not been provided with the necessary tools?

Army Commissions (Promotion From Ranks)

asked the Secretary for War whether he is aware that the Return of the Army Commissions (Promotion from the Ranks), dated 31st May of this year, shows that fewer men have been promoted from the ranks during the last three years than in any similar period since 1885; and will he, in view of this fact, take steps to bring up the average to the level which obtained prior to 1906?

The reply to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the last part of the question, the number of commissions from the ranks is not subject to any fixed limit. The candidate only requires the qualifications laid down in the Royal Warrant for Pay, etc., and the recommendation of his Commanding Officer and the General Officer Commanding.

Under a Liberal Government, are we not entitled to expect more promotions from the ranks?

The question is founded upon a complete misapprehension. Whether it is a Liberal or any other Government, we are determined to have competent officers.

British Guiana (Board Of Education)

asked the Under-Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is aware that the Legislature of British Guiana, on 25th February last, declared unanimously in favour of the creation of a Board of Education; that such declaration was in accordance with the expressed wish of the people; and, if so, can he state what steps are being taken to give effect to the same?

The resolution of the combined court in favour of the creation of a Board of Education was submitted to the Secretary of State. My Noble Friend, while recognising the objections which have led his predecessors, in agreement with successive Governors, to oppose the re-establishment of such a Board in British Guiana, had no desire to maintain an attitude of opposition to the scheme in its entirety against the express wishes of the members of the court, and he therefore communicated to the Acting Governor his approval of the establishment of a Board, subject to certain necessary safeguards.

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AYES.

[3.40 p.m.

Agnew, George WilliamDewar Arthur (Edinburgh, S.)Jones, Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea)
Ashton, Thomas GairDickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.)Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert HenryDickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Jowett, F. W.
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth)Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesKekewich, Sir George
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight)Dobson, Thomas W.Kelley, George D.
Barker, Sir JohnDuncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)King, Alfred John (Knutstord)
Barlow, Percy (Bedford)Duncan, J. Hastings (York, Otley)Lament, Norman
Barran, Sir John NicholsonDunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall)Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington)
Beale, W. P.Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor)Lehmann, R. c.
Beaumont, Hon. HubertEllis, Rt. Hon. John EdwardLever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Beck, A. CecilEssex, R. W.Lewis, John Herbert
Benn, W. (Tower Hamlets, St. Geo.)Esslemont, George BirnieLloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Berridge, T. H. D.Evans, Sir Samuel T.Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Bertram, JuliusEverett, R. LaceyLyell, Charles Henry
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)Falconer, J.Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. AugustineFenwick, CharlesMacdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)
Boulton, A. C. F.Findlay, AlexanderMackarness, Frederic C.
Branch, JamesFoster, Rt. Hon. Sir WalterM'Callum, John M.
Brigg, JohnFullerton, HughM'Kenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Brocklehurst, W. B.Gibb, James (Harrow)M'Micking, Major G.
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lanes., Leigh)Gill, A. H.Maddison, Frederick
Bryce, J. AnnanGladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert JohnMarnham, F. J.
Burt, Rt. Hon. ThomasGlen-Coats, Sir T. (Renfrew, W.)Massie, J.
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney CharlesGoddard, Sir Daniel FordMasterman, C. F. 3.
Byles, William PollardGooch, George Peabody (Bath)Menzies, Sir Walter
Cameron, RobertGreenwood, G. (Peterborough)Middlebrook, William
Carr-Gomm, H. W.Gulland, John W.Molteno, Percy Alport
Causton, Rt. Hon. Richard KnightHaldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.Mond, A.
Cawley, Sir FrederickHall, FrederickMorgan, G. Hay (Cornwall)
Chance, Frederick WilliamHarcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale)Morrell, Philip
Channing, Sir Francis AllstonHarcourt, Robert V. (Montrose)Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. (Kincard.)
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R.Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)Murray, James (Aberdeen, E.)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S.Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-sh.)Nicholls, George
Clough, WilliamHarvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale)Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncaster)
Cobbold, Felix ThornleyHaworth, Arthur A.Norman, Sir Henry
Collins, Sir Wm. J. (St. Pancras, W.)Hazel, Dr. A. E. W.O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth)
Cooper, G. J.Hedges, A. PagetParker, James (Halifax)
Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead)Henderson, Arthur (Durham)Partington, Oswald
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor (Mon. S.)Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Cotton, Sir H. J. S.Herbert, T. Arnold (Wycombe)Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Cowan, W. H.Higham, John SharpPickersgill, Edward Hare
Cox, HaroldHobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.Pirie, Duncan V.
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth)Hodge, JohnPointer, J.
Crooks, WilliamHolland, Sir William HenryPonsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Crosfield, A. H.Holt, Richard BurningRainy, A. Rolland
Cross, AlexanderHorniman, Emslie JohnRees, J. D.
Crossley, William J.Howard, Hon. GeoffreyRendall, Athelstan
Curran, Peter FrancisJohnson, W. (Nuneaton)Richards, T. F. (Wolverhampton, W.)

Presentation Of Bill

The following Bill was presented and read the first time:—

Mr. JOWETT—Factory and Workshop Act (1901) Amendment (No. 2)—Bill to regulate night employment and to prohibit week-end employment in certain Factories and Workshops. (To be read a second time, 9th August.)

Business Of The House (Procedure)

Motion made and Question put, "That the Proceedings on the consideration of Business of the House (Procedure), if under discussion at Eleven o'clock this night, be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House). "—[ The prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 185; Noes, 67.

Richardson, A.Soames, Arthur WellesleyWason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)Soares, Ernest J.Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)Stewart, Halley (Greenock)Waterlow, D. S.
Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside)Strachey, Sir EdwardWatt, Henry A.
Robinson, S.Straus, B. S. (Mile End)White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Robson, Sir William SnowdonSummerbell, T.Whitley, John Henry (Halifax)
Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Rogers, F. E. NewmanTaylor, John W. (Durham)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestershire, N.)
Rose, Sir Charles DayThomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)Winfrey, R.
Runciman, Rt. Hon. WalterTomkinson, JamesWood, T. M'Kinnon
Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)Toulmin, George
Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Scarisbrick, Sir T. T. L.Ure, Rt. Hon. AlexanderTELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Joseph Pease and Captain Norton.
Scott, A. H. (Ashton-under-Lyne)Walters, John Tudor
Seely, ColonelWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.

NOES.

Ashley, W. W.Fatherstonhaugh, GodfreyMorpeth, Viscount
Balcarres, LordForster, Henry WilliamParkes, Ebenezer
Baldwin, StanleyGlover, ThomasPease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City Lond.)Gooch, Henry Cubitt (Peckham)Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Banbury, Sir Frederick GeorgeGoulding, Edward AlfredRemnant, James Farquharson
Beckett, Hon. GervaseGretton, JohnRenwick, George
Bowles, G. StewartGuinness, Hon. R. (Haggerston)Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Bridgeman, W. CliveGuinness, Hon. W. E. (B'y St. Edm'ds)Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Brotherton, Edward AllenHardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford)Sloan, Thomas Henry
Carlile, E. HildredHarris, Frederick LevertonStarkey, John R
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)Heaton, John HennikerStaveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.)Hermon Hodge, Sir RobertStone, Sir Benjamin
Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHill, Sir ClementTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Clive, Percy ArcherHills, J. W.Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Lanark)
Clyde, James AvonJenkins, J.Thorne, William (West Ham)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Kimber, Sir HenryThornton, Percy M.
Craig, Captain James (Down, E.)Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham)Tuke, Sir John Batty
Craik, Sir HenryLockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R.Walsh, Stephen
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. ScottLong, Col. Charles W. (Evesham)Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Doughty, Sir GeorgeLong, Rt. Hon. Walter (Dublin, S.)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. AkersLonsdale, John BrownleeTELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir A. Acland-Hood, and Viscount Valentla.
Faber, George Denlson (York)MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh
Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.)Mason, James F. (Windsor)
Fell, ArthurMiddlemore, John Throgmorton