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Clause 11—(Powers And Procedure Of Commissioners)

Volume 46: debated on Friday 3 January 1913

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(1) Subject to such appeal as is hereinafter mentioned the Welsh Commissioners shall have full power to decide all questions, whether of law or of fact, which it may be necessary to decide for the purposes of this Act, and shall not be subject to be restrained in the due execution of their powers under this Act by the order of any Court, nor shall any proceedings before them be removed by certiorari into any Court.

(2) The Welsh Commissioners with respect to—

  • (a) enforcing the attendance of witnesses, after a tender of their expenses, the examination of witnesses, and the production of deeds, books, papers, and documents;
  • (b) issuing any commission for the examination of witnesses;
  • (c) punishing persons refusing to give evidence or to produce documents, or guilty of contempt in the presence of the Commissioners or any of them sitting in open Court; and
  • (d) making or enforcing any order made by them for carrying into effect this Act;
  • Division No. 487.]

    AYE5.

    [5.4 p.m.

    Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour)Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North)Delany, William
    Adamson, WilliamByles, Sir William PollardDenman, Hon. R. D.
    Alden, PercyCarr-Gomm, H. W.Devlin, Joseph
    Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton)Cawley, H. T. (Lancs., Heywood)Dillon, John
    Allen, Rt. Hon. Charles P. (Stroud)Chancellor, H. G.Donelan, Captain A.
    Atherley-Jones Llewellyn A.Chapple, Dr. William AllenDoris, A.
    Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.)Clancy, John JosephDuffy, William J.
    Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple)Clough, WilliamDuncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)
    Barnes, G. N.Collins, G. P. (Greenock)Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.)
    Beale, Sir William PhipsonCollins, Stephen (Lambeth)Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid)
    Beck, Arthur CecilCompton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J.Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.)
    Bentham, G. J.Condon, Thomas JosephEsmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.)
    Birrell, Rt. Hon. AugustineCornwall, Sir Edward A.Essex, Sir Richard Walter
    Boland, John PlusCotton, William FrancisEsslemont, George Birnie
    Booth, Frederick HandelCrawshay-Williams, EliotFalconer, J.
    Bowerman, C. W.Crean, EugeneFarrell, James Patrick
    Boyle, D. (Mayo, North)Crooks, WilliamFfrench, Peter
    Brace, WilliamCrumley, PatrickField, William
    8rady, P. J.Cullinan, J.Fitzgibbon John
    Bryce, J. AnnanDavies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth)Flavin, Michael Joseph
    Burke, E. Haviland-Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.)Gilhooly, James
    Burns, Rt. Hon. JohnDavies, M. Vaughan- (Cardiganshire)Ginnell, L.

    shall have all such powers, rights, and privileges as are vested in the High Court for such or the like purposes, and all proceedings before the Commissioners shall in law be judicial proceedings before a Court of Record.

    (3) The Welsh Commissioners may review and rescind or vary any order or decision previously made by them or any of them; but save as aforesaid, and as by this Act provided, every order or decision of the Welsh Commissioners shall be final.

    (4) They shall make general rules for regulating their procedure under this Act, and generally for securing the due execution of their powers, and giving effect to this Act. All such general rules shall be submitted to His Majesty the King in Council for confirmation, and when so confirmed, with or without modifications, shall be laid before both Houses of Parliament, and shall have effect as if enacted by this Act.

    (5) They shall in each year make a Report to the Secretary of State of their proceedings under this Act, and this Report shall be laid before Parliament.

    Question put, "That the Clause stand part of the Bill."

    The Committee divided: Ayes, 236; Noes, 119.

    Glanville, Harold JamesMacnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.Richardson, Albion (Peckham)
    Goldstone, FrankMacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
    Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough)Macpherson, James lanRoberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
    Griffith, Ellis J.MacVeagh, JeremiahRoberts, G. H. (Norwich)
    Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke)M'Callum, Sir John M.Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
    Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.)McKenna, Rt. Hon. ReginaldRobertson, John M. (Tyneside)
    Guiney, P.M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.)Robinson, Sidney
    Gulland, John WilliamMarks, Sir George CroydonRoch, Walter F.
    Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway)Marshall, Arthur HaroldRoche, Augustine (Louth)
    Hackett, J.Martin, JosephRose, Sir Charles Day
    Hancock, John GeorgeMason, David M. (Coventry)Rowlands, James
    Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale)Meagher, MichaelRussell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
    Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire)Meehan, Francis (Leitrim, N.)Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
    Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.)Millar, James DuncanScanlan, Thomas
    Hayden, John PatrickMolloy, M.Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
    Hazleton, RichardMond, Sir Alfred MoritzSeely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B.
    Healy, Maurice (Cork)Morgan, George HaySheehy, David
    Healy, Timothy Michael (Cork, N.E.)Morrell, PhilipSherwell, Arthur James
    Hemmerde, Edward GeorgeMorison, HectorShortt, Edward
    Henderson, Arthur (Durham)Morton, Alpheus CleophasSimon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook
    Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.)Muldoon, JohnSmith, H. B. L. (Northampton)
    Herbert, General Sir Ivor (Mon., S.)Munro, R.Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
    Higham, John SharpMurray, Capt. Hon. A. C.Snowden, Philip
    Hinds, JohnNannetti, Joseph P.Soames, Arthur Wellesley
    Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.Neilson, FrancisSpicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
    Hodge, JohnNolan, JosephStanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.)
    Hogge, James MylesNorton, Captain Cecil W.Sutherland, J. E.
    Holmes, Daniel TurnerNugent, Sir Walter RichardSutton, John E.
    Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich)O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Taylor, Thomas (Bolton)
    Howard, Hon. GeoffreyO'Brien, William (Cork)Tennant, Harold John
    Hudson, WalterO'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)Thomas, J. H.
    Hughes, S. L.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
    Illingworth, Percy H.O'Doherty, PhilipThorne, William (West Ham)
    Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir RufusO'Donnell, ThomasUre, Rt. Hon Alexander
    John, Edward ThomasO'Dowd, JohnVerney, Sir Harry
    Jones, Rt. Hon.Sir D.Brynmor (Swansea)O'Grady, JamesWalsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
    Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil)O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.)Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
    Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth)O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.)Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
    Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)O'Malley, WilliamWardle, George J.
    Jones, Leif Stratten (Rushcliffe)O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)Waring, Walter
    Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney)O'Shaughnessy, P. J.Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
    Joyce, MichaelO'Shee, James JohnWason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
    Keating, MatthewO'Suillvan, TimothyWebb, H.
    Kellaway, Frederick GeorgeOuthwaite, R. L.White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
    Kennedy, Vincent PaulParker, James (Halifax)White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
    Kilbride, DenisPearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)White, Patrick (Meath, North)
    King, J.Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham)Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
    Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)Phillips, John (Longford, S.)Whyte, A. F. (Perth)
    Lardner, James Carrige RushePointer JosephWilkie, Alexander
    Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)Power, Patrick JosephWilliams, J. (Glamorgan)
    Leach, CharlesPrice, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)Williams, Llewelyn (Carmarthen)
    Lewis, John HerbertPringle, William M. R.Williamson, Sir Archibald
    Lough, Rt. Hon. ThomasRadford, G. H.Young, William (Perth, East)
    Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich)Raffan, Peter WilsonYoxall, Sir James Henry
    Lundon, ThomasRedmond, John E. (Waterford)
    Lynch, A. A.Redmond, William (Clare, E.)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
    Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)Wedgwood Benn and Mr. W. Jones.
    McGhee, RichardRichards, Thomas

    NOES.

    Aitken, Sir William MaxCarlile, Sir Edward HildredGastrell, Major W. H.
    Amery, L. C. M. S.Cassel, FelixGibbs, G. A.
    Astor WaldorfCostlereagh, ViscountGlazebrook, Capt. Philip K.
    Baird, J. L.Cator, JohnGordon, John (Londonderry, South)
    Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.)Cave, GeorgeGordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton)
    Banbury. Sir Frederick GeorgeCecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Barlow, Montague (Salford, South)Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin)Greene, W. R.
    Barnston, HarryChaloner, Col. R. G. W.Gretton, John
    Barrie, H. T.Chambers, J.Haddock, George Bahr
    Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.)Clay, Captain H. H. SpenderHall, Fred (Dulwich)
    Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton)Clive, Captain Percy ArcherHamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington, S.)
    Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh HicksCraik, Sir HenryHarris, Henry Percy
    Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth)Cripps, Sir Charles AlfredHarrison-Broadley
    Bennett-Goldney, FrancisDalziel, Davison (Brixton)Helmsley, Viscount
    Beresford, Lord C.Denniss, E. R. B.Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon)
    Blair, ReginaldDickson, Rt. Hon. C. ScottHewins, William Albert Samuel
    Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffth-Faber, George Denison (Clapham)Hickman, Colonel T. E.
    Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid)Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.)Hoare, Samuel John Gurney
    Boyton, JamesFetherstonhaugh, GodfreyHohler, Gerald Fitzroy
    Bridgeman, W. CliveFisher, Rt. Hon. W. HayesHorne, W. E. (Surrey, Guildford)
    Bull, Sir William JamesFletcher, John SamuelHorner, Andrew Long
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Forster, Henry WilliamHunt, Rowland
    Burn, Colonel C. R.Gardner, ErnestJessel, Captain H. M.

    Kerr-Smiley, Peter KerrNewman, John R. P.Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
    Larmor, Sir J.Newton, Harry KottinghamSteel-Maitland, A. D.
    Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle)Norton-Griffiths, johnSwift, Rigby
    Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End)O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central)
    Lloyd, G. A.Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend)Talbot, Lord E.
    Locker-Lampoon, G. (Salisbury)Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)Terrell, H. (Guolcester)
    Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey)Perkins, Walter F.Touche, George Alexander
    Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston)Peto, Basil EdwardTryon, Captain George Clement
    Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover S.)Pollock, Ernest MurrayWheler, Granville C. H.
    MacCaw. Wm. J. MacGeaghRawlinson, J. F. P.White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport)
    Macmaster, DonaldRawson, Col. R. H.Winterton, Earl
    M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)Rees, Sir J. D.Worthington-Evans, L.
    Malcolm, IanRolleston, Sir JohnWyndham, Rt. Hon. George
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamSalter, Arthur ClavellYate, Col. Charles Edward
    Mills, Hon. Charles ThomasSamuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
    Moore, WilliamSanders, Robert A.TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Viscount
    Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton)Spear, Sir John WardWolmer and Mr. Ormsby-Gore.
    Mount, William ArthurStanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)