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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 47: debated on Tuesday 21 January 1913

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International Opium Convention

2.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will give the names of those Powers which have now signed the International Opium Con vention of 1912, and of those Powers which have been invited to sign but which have not yet done so?

The Powers whose plenipotentiaries originally signed the Convention are stated on page 19 of Parliamentary Paper, Miscellaneous No. 2, 1912. His Majesty's Minister at The Hague also signed the Convention on the 17th of last December on behalf of Canada, Newfoundland, New Zealand, and twenty-five British Colonies, Dependencies and Protectorates. The Convention, according to the latest advices received by His Majesty's Government from The Hague has also been signed by fifteen of the States mentioned in Article 22. His Majesty's Government expect shortly to learn from the Nether-land Government how many, if any of the balance of eighteen have signed the instrument down to the end of December last?

Boxer Indemnity

3.

asked whether the right hon. Gentlmena will inform the House of the amount of the Boxer in demnity already paid to this country by China; the amount which still remains to be paid; the purpose to which the moneys are put by this country; if any of the countries entitled to indemnity have notified the Chinese Government that they are willing to forego further payments; and, if so, will he name the countries?

The amount of the Boxer indemnity already paid to this country by China is £167,109. The amount which still remains to be paid is £7,425,972. As-provided in the Finance Act 1906, s. 7 (2), the moneys received are applied to the-reduction of debt. Since the United States Government in 1907 reduced the sum allotted to them to 11,655,492 dollars in return for a guarantee that a certain number of Chinese students should be sent to the United States for their education, I am not aware that any countries have agreed to forego any portion of the sum allotted to them.

Is it true that the Chinese Government have been given to understand that unless they accede to the terms of the proposed loan by the six Powers pressure will be brought to bear upon them for the immediate payment of the balance of the indemnity?

I must ask for notice of that. I did not imagine that any question connected with the loan was going to arise out of the question on the Paper.

War In Balkans

4.

asked whether the right hon. Gentleman will ask for the consent of the Turkish Government to the publication of their statement on the subject of atrocities alleged to have been committed by the allies in the Balkan war?

No, Sir. The publication of statements or allegations made by foreign Governments is a matter for those Governments, and not for His Majesty's Government.

5.

asked whether the right hon. Gentleman will publish the Consular reports which have been received on the subject of massacres and outrages in the Balkan war?

While the war between Turkey and Italy was proceeding I was pressed to publish Consular reports respecting alleged massacres or outrages that had taken place previously under Turkish administration in Macedonia. There was also a request for information respecting alleged excesses during the Italian-Turkish war in Tripoli. I was unable to comply with any of these requests, and must adhere to the same line now. Such reports as I receive that seem to be well founded have been brought to the notice of the Governments that now control the territories in which outrages are said to have occurred.

May I ask whether it has not been the practice of the right hon. Gentleman in recent years to publish many Consular reports dealing with atrocities by Christians and Mahomedans and the like in Macedonia, and must not his refusal to publish such returns at the present juncture, dealing, as it is believed, chiefly with Christian atrocities, only lend additional colour to the present disquieting rumours?

Is there any ground for the insinuation that the atrocities were committed chiefly by Christians?

Did not the right hon. Gentleman tell me that he was bringing these atrocities to the notice of Governments of Sofia and Servia, and not in Constantinople?

The House will remember that I was very strongly pressed during the Italian-Turkish war to publish reports which I received respecting outrages alleged to have occurred under Turkish administration in Macedonia. I was pressed on the very ground that the hon. Member now alleges that it had been our habit to publish these reports. I refused to publish them because war was in progress between Italy and Turkey. I am applying exactly the same considerations now to the reports which I have received. I would further add that there is a great difference between reports received during the time of ordinary administration and reports received while a war is in progress of which the Consuls could not have the same accurate knowledge, and on which it is very difficult for the Consuls to say how far particular reports are well founded.

Lake Nyasa (Murder Of Rev A J Douglas)

6.

asked if the right hon. Gentleman has now received a report of the trial of a corporal of the Portuguese Army for the murder of the Rev. A. J. Douglas on Lake Nyasa; if His Majesty's Government were represented at the trial; if there were any provocative or extenuating circumstances justifying the sentence; and whether the Portuguese Government have offered, or have been asked, to pay adequate compensation to the relatives of the victim?

The report of the trial has not yet been received. As I stated on the 11th, and again on the 12th December, His Majesty's Government were represented at the trial. The question whether the sentence is adequate satisfaction for the murder of a British subject must be considered when the report is received.

when is the right hon. Gentleman likely to receive the report? Will it be this week?

I hope very shortly, but it is not under my control, and I cannot say when the report will arrive. I understand it may now be expected any time.

Delhi (New Capital Buildings)

7.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether consideration has been given to the statement to which Mr. E. L. Lutyens, a member of the Delhi Town Planning Committee, and other distinguished architects have given their names, that architectural design in this, country is not on a sound theoretical basis; and whether, in view of the proposals for establishing a practical school of architecture in this country on lines adopted in France and operative for centuries in India, where master builders are practical craftsmen and co-operate with workers, who are responsible both for design and execution in their work, the Secretary of State will proceed to secure the services of the best practical master builders in India to assist in arriving at a decision concerning the architecture of the new Delhi?

The Secretary of State agrees that regard should be had to considered Indian opinion before decisions are taken respecting the architectural style to be adopted for, or the method of carrying out, the buildings of the new capital at Delhi; but he is not disposed to follow the suggestion of my hon. Friend.

8.

asked whether, before making a final decision regarding the architecture of the new Delhi, the Secretary of State will consider the past and present work of Indian master builders, as shown by the material collected by the Archaeological Survey of India; and whether, in this connection, architectural experts with practical Indian experience will be consulted?

The hon. Member may rest assured that the precautions he suggests will be taken.

Purchases Of Silver (India)

9.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India, whether his attention has been drawn to the statement made by Messrs. Samuel Montagu and Company in their letter to the India Office, dated 8th January, 1912, to the effect that, if silver was purchased through them, it would not in the least disturb the market, that no one would have the remotest idea that the Government was buying, and that prices would not, as in the past, be run up; and, in view of the fact that the price of silver in March, when the purchases commenced, was 26fd., and the average price at which the silver through them was eventually bought was 284½d. is he of opinion that this statement by Messrs. Samuel Montagu and Company was an accurate forecast?

The answer is in the affirmative. The possibility referred to in the letter quoted, was that the price might be affected by the knowledge that the Secretary of State was a purchaser. This was prevented by the policy adopted.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that in 1907, when much larger purchases were made through the Bank of England, the price of silver was only run up l½d., whereas in this instance it was run up 1½

10.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India if his attention has been called to the statement of Messrs. Samuel Montagu and Company, in their letter dated 8th January, 1912, to the effect that putting silver in the Bank of England is such an every-day occurrence that it would create no comment, that there would be no need for the Bank of England to be acquainted with the purchases, that they need only be told that they were to receive the silver against loans, which would close every possibility of a leakage, and to a further communication from the same firm, dated 16th April, 1912, in which they state that the chief advantage of postponing the purchases (at an additional brokerage to themselves and 3 per cent, on the cost) would be to avoid any premature transactions with the Bank of England, for the movement of actual business from their office to the Bank of England might cause comment; and will he say whether the former statement, that it would create no comment, or the latter, that it might cause comment, is the correct one?

The letter of 8th January stated that "putting silver into the Bank of England is such an every-day occurrence just now that our doing so would create no comment." The letter of 16th April said that "the movement might cause comment, though we do not believe for one moment that anyone would guess the nature of the business." The purport of the two statements is substantially the same; and the Secretary of State cannot say which of them was the better expression of a matter which was to some extent one of opinion. I explained on 3rd December and again on 8th January that the Secretary of State's reason for deciding on the postponement of the earlier purchases was to avoid not the deposit of silver at the Bank of England, but premature entries in the India Office monthly accounts which pass through many hands.

Will the hon. Gentleman say how he can reconcile a direct affirmative with a direct negative?

If the hon. Gentleman will look at the exact terms of the letter, and not take his own paraphrase, he will see it is not a question of a direct affirmative and a direct negative: "We do not believe for one moment that anyone would guess the nature of the business."

Does it not go on to say it might cause comment, whereas the previous letter said it would cause no comment?

13.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India if, as officially stated, purchases of silver were postponed in May, in the interest of secrecy, so as to avoid including payment in the India Office monthly accounts, which pass through many hands and of which an abstract is published in the "Gazette of India," on what grounds did he think that payments could be made in this manner from 1st June onwards and secrecy maintained?

The monthly accounts for June reached India at the end of July. At that time silver for £2,000,000 had been bought at a reasonable price; and, although secrecy was still desirable and the risk of disclosure still existed, the consequences of disclosures would then have been much less serious than at an earlier stage.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say how it was that in May the information reached India in a month when he told me on 17th December that in August it was only conjecture, seeing the matter passed through the same hands?

14.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether his attention has been drawn to the statement in the letter of Messrs. Samuel Montagu and Company, dated 8th January, to the effect that they receive consignments of silver from special clients averaging about £50,000 per week, which they have to sell at market price, and suggesting that this silver should be secretly sold to the India Office, and so avoid the market price of silver being run up; and whether the Finance Committee considered if this device was suggested by Messrs. Samuel Montagu and Company in the interests of the Government at the expense of their clients who were selling or vice versâ?

The proposal was in accordance with the usual practice of the bullion trade. The effect was to meet the wishes of sellers who desired to sell at the market price and of the Secretary of State who desired to buy at that price.

These supplementary questions which the hon. Member puts are all in the nature of argument, and very suitable for use in discussion; but they are no use as questions asking for information, and they are not therefore proper supplementary questions at all.

British Army

Officers' Uniforms

15.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether, considering that it has not been found practicable to create a special branch of the Army Clothing Department to deal with officers' uniforms and that commanding officers are for bidden to exercise any pressure upon officers to deal with any particular firm, he will either withdraw that prohibition, and thus enable commanding officers to make arrangements regimentally for a supply of officers' uniforms at a less cost than at present, or else instruct the War Office to make the best arrangements they can, either with outside tailors or otherwise, to enable officers of all branches of the Service to purchase uniforms at a reasonable rate?

There is nothing in the Regulations to prevent a regiment from making an arrangement with a military outfitter regarding the supply of uniform or equipment, provided that no pressure Should be brought to bear upon any individual officer in this respect.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if what the hon. Member for Aberdeen desires is not done in effect by every sensible commanding officer now?

I should be sorry to say "Yes" or "No" to that question as to the sensibleness of commanding officers. What we are all desirous of securing is that there should be as little expense as possible thrown on officers in every regiment in procuring their uniforms.

Does not that show all the more necessity for making the Regulation universal, as all commanding officers are not as sensible as the Noble Lord suggests?

I have many complaints made to me that we do not reach the end of questions, but if hon. Members will insist in asking supplementary questions in the nature of arguments, I can hardly be blamed because we do not do so.

Pensions (Basis Of Commutation)

16.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether, considering the fact that the Government of India have decided that the proportion up to which pensions may be commuted should not be allowed to exceed a quarter of the pension, he will state the proportion up to which officers of the British Service are permitted to commute their pensions; if exceeding more than one-quarter of the pension, whether similar conditions to those applied in India might be advantageously applied in England; whether, while the Government of India permit their pensioners to commute on a 31 per cent, basis, officers of the British Army are only permitted to commute on a 5 per cent, basis; and what difference this makes to the British Service officer?

Officers of the British Service are allowed to commute one-half of their pension, but not less than £80 must be left uncommitted. It appears that the Indian conditions mentioned in the question refer to Indian natives, and that, as far as British officers are concerned, the Indian conditions are the same as those of the British Service, except that the limit for commutation is one-third. It is a matter of opinion how, far it is to an officer's advantage to commute his pension, but experience has shown that the limit of one-half has prevented cases of destitution from arising without unduly interfering with the officer's discretion as to his financial arrangements. The rate of interest chargeable is fixed by the Pensions Commutation Act.

Special Rkskkve

17.

asked whether, in view of the fact that Lord Haldane stared that men trained for from four to six months, as proposed by the National Service League, would not be fit to meet Regular Continental troops trained for two or three years, the fourth battalions of the Special Reserve, trained only for three months, could be sent at once to meet Regular troops on the Continent or be able to meet them in case of invasion?

If the hon. Gentleman will read the words following those of the authority which he quotes, he will find the answer to his question regarding invasion; and as regards war on the Continent, I would point out that the fourth battalions mentioned do not form part of the Expeditionary Force.

Might I ask the right hon. Gentleman if he is aware that Lord Haldane when Secretary of Stale for War said that the twenty-seven fourth battalions of the Special Reserve would be available for foreign service just as much as any others and that they were organised and enlisted for that purpose?

The hon. Member can hardly expect the Secretary of State to carry in his head all the speeches made by Lord Haldane.

Scottish Regiments

18.

asked how many Scottish regiments there are at present in Ulster, and how many in the rest of Ireland; and what will be the distribution of Scottish units in Ireland in May?

There are no Scottish battalions in Ulster, and there are two quartered in the rest of Ireland. As fat as is known at present there will be no alteration in this distribution of the troops in May.

Census Of Houses

19, 20, 21 and 22.

asked (1) whether the Territorial adjutant detailed to take the horse census in No. 5 area in Cheshire is to classify and report on all the horses in the following districts: All the districts embraced in the Parliamentary divisions of Hyde, Stalybridge, and Stockport, and in addition half of the districts embraced by the Altrincham and Knutsford divisions; whether this adjutant can satisfactorily make his horse census without neglecting his other duties; (2) whether any complaints have been received from commanding officers of Territorial battalions pointing out the in convenience of having their adjutants detailed to take the present horse census; (3) the number of adjutants who have been and are being employed in the pre sent horse census which is being taken, distinguishing between mounted and foot adjutants and between Regular, Special Reserve, and Territorial in each case; (4> whether the adjutants who have been and are at present being employed in the pre sent horse census are expected to under take this census in addition to their ordinary duties; and what would be the position of an adjutant who refused to take the census on the plea that his ordinary duties took up all his time?

I am not aware of the particular ease mentioned, but I will make inquiries. No complaints from commanding officers have reached the War Office. There are no statistics at the War Office to show the 'exact numbers of officers employed on the horse classification, but, as I have already informed the House, there are a large number of Regular officers so employed, in addition to the Territorial Force adjutants. As regards the other points raised, I have nothing to add to the replies which I have already given to the hon. and gallant Gentleman on this subject.

If the right hon. Gentleman says no complaints have reached the War Office, may I ask him if there was not trouble with two adjutants last year on the subject, and that both of them had to leave an account of the War Office action?

I am not aware of that. I have said no complaint has reached the War Office from commanding officers, which is the question on the Paper.

Could the right hon. Gentleman reply to the latter part of question No. 22: "What would be the position of an adjutant who refused to take the census on the plea that his ordinary duties took up all his time?"

I have deliberately refrained from answering the question, because I think it ought not to have been put, but if it is persisted in the answer would be the same as the answer given by Stephenson with regard to the cow.

Territorial Force

23.

asked what was the number of officers wanting to complete the establishment of the Territorial Force on last New Year's Day?

24.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether, in view of the difficulty of recruiting a sufficient number of officers for the Territorial Force, he will consider the propriety of raising the present amount of £20 given as outfit allowance so as to cover the expenses outside the service kit made compulsory by the Regulations, such as mess uniform, patrol dress, and other charges imposed by custom in battalions?

25.

asked whether the Army Council have decided to amend the Regulations for the Territorial Army, so that elementary Infantry drill shall be taught in a drill hall instead of in an open field; and, if so, how it is proposed to teach recruits advancing and retiring in open order, methods of taking cover, outpost and patrolling, and advance and rear guards, and other movements which are the foundation of a soldier's training?

A circular memorandum has recently been issued concerning the hire of drill fields, which states that it is considered that as a general rule elementary Infantry drill can be taught in a drill hall, so that where an adequate drill hall exists, a small drill field is not considered a necessity. There is no objection, however, to county associations having drill fields where considered necessary, subject to the sanction of the general officer commanding, and within certain financial limits. The training referred to in the second part of the question requires a larger area than that described as a drill field.

Are we to understand that the War Office is not going to supply the money for these fields, and is it the right hon. Gentleman's opinion that they can learn just as well in a hall as in a field?

With regard to elementary drill, it can be taught in a hall, as everybody knows and no better than the hon. Member; but if there is a field available at no great cost it can be hired. That is what the memorandum says. With regard to the larger measures of training referred to in the question, we do not define them as field drill. They require a larger area than that described as a drill field.

Road Board (Expenditure In Gloucestershire)

26.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether his attention has been drawn to the continuing decrease in the amounts granted by the Road Board to the county of Gloucester; whether such amount in 1911–12 was £7,500, in 1912–13 was £7,300, and for 1913–14 a sum of only between £6,000 and £7,000 has been promised; whether he is aware that Gloucestershire has an exceptionally large road mileage and that the motor traffic thereon has increased during the past few years and is still increasing, although the Road Hoard's Grant is decreasing; and what he proposes to do for this and other rural counties in the matter?

I am informed by the Road Board that the total amount of the Grants to works of road improvement in the county of Gloucestershire to be carried out during the next financial year cannot be settled until the applications of the Gloucestershire Highway Authorities giving particulars and estimates of the works of improvement with which they desire to proceed are before the Board. In the absence of applications containing this information the county council were informed provisionally in reply to an inquiry in November last that they may anticipate a Grant of between £6,000 and £7,000 towards approved works of improvement. All available information as to traffic, mileage and expenditure, as well as other relevant facts, are taken into account in dealing with applications. In making comparisons as to previous Grants it must be borne in mind that in the Grants made in 1911–12 the Board were dealing with practically two years' revenue of the Road Improvement Fund.

Customs And Excise (Amalgamation)

28.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, considering that the majority of the junior officers of Customs and Excise have not yet received any benefit from the concessions to the Department authorised by the Report of the Amalgamation Committee or payment for insurance duties, he will authorise the acceptance of the recommendation made to the Amalgamation Committee by the Board of Customs and Excise that officers shall be lifted to the salary they would have been receiving had the service scale been in force when they entered the service?

I must refer the hon. Member to my reply to a question put to me by the hon. Member for Tyrone on the 14th instant on this subject.

29.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, considering the pledge given by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster to this House on 18th June, 1908, in connection with the amalgamation of the Customs and Excise Departments, that the rights of no class and, as far as possible, of no individual would be prejudicially affected by the contemplated change, he will explain why surveyors, formerly supervisors of Excise, find all promotion from their grade to the controlling grade stopped; and why this stoppage, which to eligible men means a stoppage at £320 per annum as compared with £500, the minimum salary of the controlling grade, has been permitted.

As regards promotions to the new controlling grade, I must refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Blackburn on the 14th instant, and I may add that further promotions will be made when the process of amalgamation permits. Meanwhile the eligible men instead of being temporarily stopped at £320, as they would have been, under the former conditions of service, have, under the amalgamation scheme, been placed on a scale rising to £450, and when promoted will be placed on a scale of £500 rising to £650, instead of £450 fixed.

National Insurance Act

Ireland (Proposed Grant)

30.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the proposed Grant of £50,000 to Ireland for the provision of health insurance benefits will be subject to the approval of Parliament; if it is intended to be an annual allowance, supplementary to the funds already provided by the United Kingdom for the working of the National Insurance Act in Ireland; and if he will state the sum per insured person in Ireland to be contributed out of moneys provided by Parliament for similar benefits compared with the amount so provided as regards insured persons in England?

The answer to the first two questions is in the affirmative, except that, as regards the second, the Grant would, in the event of the extension of medical benefit to Ireland, be merged in the Grant for that benefit. The object of this special Grant, as I explained in my reply to the hon. Member for Waterford on the 9th instant, is to provide a contribution towards certain expenses arising in Ireland in connection with national insurance owing to the absence of medical benefit in that country. There is therefore no corresponding Grant in Great Britain where medical benefit exists.

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that the approval of the House is asked before the agreement is made with the doctors?

Of course, no payment will be made by the Treasury until the approval of the House has been obtained.

No agreement beyond a provisional agreement will be concluded before the House is in possession of it.

Medical Benefit

31.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what error has been discovered in his calculations as regards medical benefit under the National Insurance Act which allows him to pay 8s. 6d. a head, while his actuarial calculations were based on taxation sufficient to 'allow of the payment of 6s. per head; and, since it is not possible to pay the larger amount out of the smaller collection, will he inform the House from what source the 'Government proposes to make good the deficiency?

No error has been discovered in the calculations, in regard to medical benefit under the National Insurance Act. As regards the remainder of the question the position has already been fully explained to the House in the answers given to the hon. Member for St. Pancras on the 1st and 9th instant.

32.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it has been found that the 1,956 names printed and published as those of members of panels in London are reduced to 738 when names entered more than once are excluded, that names are entered without any regard to the place of residence of the owners of such names, and that in some cases they are repeated as often as ten times; and, if so, whether such proceedings have his sanction?

I would refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave to the hon. Member for North Islington yesterday. The list published by the London Insurance Committee on 13th January shows 759 doctors on the London panel. These are shown in lists for the different boroughs for the convenience of insured persons making their choice, each doctor being named in the list of any borough in which he has stated that he desired to attend insured persons. The number of doctors on the London panel is now 930.

Is there any difficulty in filling the panel when doctors' names are inserted without their permission, and repeated in various quarters?

No name is entered without the doctor's permission, and no doctor's name is put as serving on any panel except at his specific request.

May I supply the right hon. Gentleman with cases of that nature, not in London, but in Middlesex?

66.

asked if an insured person wires for a doctor, and is unable to get medical assistance owing to the roads being blocked with snow, the amount of premium due for medical benefit for that period will be refunded?

But is it not unfair to ask an insured person who may be snowed up for weeks to pay contributions for which he can receive no benefit?

The man is in the same position in respect to a doctor as he is at present. The doctor takes the same liability as a doctor does at present in attending a patient.

But is it not the fact that in former days he had not to pay 4d. for taking the chance and now he has got to do it?

If he was under a contract system he paid so much a year. A doctor took no account of such acts of God as a snowstorm.

In how many cases throughout the Highlands did the contract system prevail, and did the doctors charge fees when they did not pay a visit?

It is not a question about the Highlands at all. It is a general question as to snowstorms blocking the attendance of a doctor.

But may I ask if Providence in the old days extracted 4d. from the people in the same way as it's modern prototype the Chancellor of the Exchequer does now?

Insurance Stamps (Investment Of Revenue)

34.

asked the total amount of money representing the sale of insurance stamps at the present time, and in what securities have such moneys been invested?

The sums received into the National Health Insurance Fund from the sale of stamps, etc., up to 18th January, amounted to £9,225,369 17s. 9d. The amounts available for investment are being invested partly in Treasury Bills and Exchequer Bonds, and partly in Government Stock in anticipation of transfer to the Permanent Investment Account. A Return will in due course be presented to Parliament by the National Debt Commissioners as required under Section 54 of the Act, and I am unable to anticipate the details which will be included in that Return.

Compensation For Accidents

67.

asked whether a doctor meeting with an accident or injury while attending to or going to or from attending a case under the National Insurance Act receives compensation for such injury?

The answer is in the negative. I am advised that a doctor on the panel is not in the position of an employé of an insurance committee, and has no more title to compensation from that committee in case of accident than a doctor attending a private patient has from that patient.

Under the Local Government Board cannot a doctor get compensation for looking after a pauper?

I suppose in that case he is an employé of the Local Government Board. No doctor on a panel is an employé of the insurance committee.

Sickness Benefit

68.

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he is aware that the approved societies are only accepting sickness benefit certificates of insured persons if signed by panel doctors; and, if so, whether this furl her effort to force all medical practitioners on to the panels has the sanction of the Government?

I do not know to what authorities the hon. Member is referring, but as regards the question of medical certificates presented in connection with claims for sickness benefit I have nothing to add to my answer of Wednesday last.

Is it understood that insured persons who do not go to doctors on the panel are liable to lose all the benefits, including sickness benefit, which are open to them?

I am afraid I do not know what the hon. Gentleman means by "Is it understood?" My answer is quite categorical and specific. The question of whether a person is really ill or not is one for the approved societies and not for the insurance committees.

Is it understood that all benefits under the Insurance Act depend upon whether the insured person goes to a doctor on the panel?

Once more I cannot give an answer unless the hon. Gentleman interprets to me what he means by the question, "Is it understood?"

Unemployment Benefit

69.

asked how many persons are insured under Part II. of the National Insurance Act; and how many of these have sent in claims for unemployment benefits to the latest date available?

The total number of unemployment books issued up to the 16th January, 1913, was 2,273,589, and the number of claims to benefit received up to the same date was 100,170.

Highlands And Islands

70.

asked the Secretary to the Treasury if he has now considered the Report of the Committee appointed to consider the position of the Highlands and Islands under the National Insurance Act; and if he can state if the Government propose at an early date to give effect to the recommendations contained therein?

Yes, I think it was a general Committee—a Treasury Committee—investigating general conditions. I fear I cannot at present add anything to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Perth on this subject yesterday.

In view of the grave anxiety cannot some temporary arrangement be made?

I think all or the great majority of doctors in the Highlands are at present on the panels and are attending sick persons. This Report goes much further than the question of these doctors. It is a very large subject, and I think we must have a few days to consider it.

Protection Of Doctors

75.

asked the Home Secretary whether the doctors engaged to proceed to any area to work the National Insurance Act when panels are inadequate will be entitled to the same police protection as was given to the dockers introduced in the "Lady Jocelyn" to the Port of London in the late dock strike?

The protection of members of the public from violence is a matter for the local Police authorities. I do not think any special measures will be necessary for persons within the class to which the hon. Member refers.

May I ask the hon. Gentleman if it is not the case that special protection was given, or, at all events, that the Home Secretary claimed it was given, in the case of dockers, and, if so, is there any difference in principle in the two cases?

New Ross Technical Instruction Committee

33.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has seen a resolution passed by the New Ross technical instruction committee pointing out the necessity for a building Grant for technical schools and urging the Government to make provisions for this purpose; and will he say what action he proposes to take in the matter?

I have seen the resolution referred to. The matter is not one which at present calls for any action on my part.

Defence Act (War Office Land)

35.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in June, 1909, a field known as Chattenden meadow, belonging to Mr. H. Gough, was acquired by the War Office, under the Defence Act, at the price of £500; whether, on 2nd December, 1912, Mr. Gough was served with a provisional valuation of the same land, placing its value, as on 30th April, 1909, at £845, and its assessable site value as £812; and whether this was an overvaluation for the purposes of Undeveloped Land Duty, or whether Mr. Gough received an insufficient price from the War Office?

The Valuation branch of the Inland Revenue Department, who had nothing to do with the purchase by the War Office, adhere to the values quoted in the second part of the hon. Member's question, but it is still open to the owner to object to these values should ho think them excessive. The amount of Undeveloped Land Duty involved is something under a sovereign. On the facts as stated in the question, the War Office would appear to have made a good bargain.

Are not purchases under the Defence Act compulsory? Has the right hon. Gentleman looked into the matter? Is he aware that a compulsory notice was served upon this owner; that he stated that he did not wish to sell, and that the highest price the War Office would agree to give him without going to actual arbitration was £500?

I understand that the transaction was not compulsory, but voluntary.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that the Defence Act is a compulsory Act, and that this purchase was to all intents and purposes compulsory; only it did not go to arbitration?

My right hon. Friend tells me—I cannot myself be supposed to know—that the purchase was not under the Defence Act.

It is obvious that the Chancellor of the Exchequer cannot know about the operations of the War Office—

With all respect, that was not the point I was going to raise. I wished to ask the right hon. Gentleman whether, as his Departmental valuers have fixed the value at £845, he will see that this Gentleman receives that price from the War Office?

Income Tax (Gibson Bowles V Bank Of England)

36.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, in the view of the statement made on the 27th November last that, so far as then ascertained, the total costs incurred in the case of Bowles v. the Bank of England were £838 9s. 5d., and the statement made on the 14th January that the total amount of costs incurred by the Crown, including those incurred by the Bank of England will amount approximately to £572, exclusive of Mr. Bowles's costs, he will say which of these two sums or whether either of them represents the fact; and do His Majesty's Government propose to pay the costs of the Bank of England and also those of Mr. Bowles as between solicitor and client?

The estimate which I gave on the 14th instant differed from that given on the 27th November last, mainly because on the earlier occasion an estimate of Mr. Bowles' costs was included, the question having been so worded as to require this estimate. I am still unable to give the total costs actually incurred. Those of the Bank of England have been paid by the Crown, and amounted to £258 5s. 4d. It is presumed that an account of those incurred by Mr. Bowles will be received in due course, and will be taxed in the usual way.

45.

asked the Prime Minister, having regard to the judgment of the High Court in Bowles v. The Bank of England that the levy of Income Tax before the passing of the Act of Parliament imposing that tax is unlawful, do His Majesty's Government intend this year to introduce the Bill imposing that tax at such an early period as will ensure its passing by 5th April, 1913, when, except as to arrears and returns, the present Act and the present tax expire?

My right hon. Friend has asked me to answer this question. I can at present add nothing to the reply which I gave to the hon. and learned Member for West St. Pancras on 6th November last.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take into consideration the fact that the Act imposing the Income Tax was passed by Sir Robert Peel on the 5th April, 1845; by Lord Palmerston on 3rd April, 1860; and by Mr. Gladstone on 24th March, 1880?

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will put the question down so that I may be able to understand it.

Old Age Pensions

37.

asked the Secretary for Scotland, as representing the Local Government Board of Scot land, whether he can state the number of old age pensioners in the burgh of Perth, together with the cost of their pensions in the year 1911–12; whether he can state the number of persons receiving indoor and outdoor relief from the parish council on 15th January and 15th September in the years 1908 and 1912, respectively; and whether he can estimate the saving to the parish council of Perth which has been effected by the operation of the Old Age Pensions Act?

As the answer to this question contains a number of figures, I propose to circulate it with the Votes.— [See Written Answers this date.]

Will the right hon. Gentleman also calculate, at the same time, the amount of the increase of taxation and rating?

Labourers' Cottages (Scotland)

38.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether his attention has been called to the fact that 22,000 rural cottages have been built in Ireland since 1906 under the Labourers' Cottages Act of that year; and, if so, will he say when he proposes to introduce similar legislation for Scot land in view of the emigration figures to that country?

As my hon. Friend is aware, a Royal Commission on Housing in Scotland has been appointed, which will doubtless be ready to consider any suggestions based upon the Irish legislation to which he refers.

Does the right hon. Gentleman know that Scotland has equal needs in that respect?

Can the right hon. Gentleman give any approximate date when the Commission may be expected to report?

Education (Scotland)

39.

asked whether the Government scheme of educational reform, announced by the Lord Chancellor, includes any provisions affecting Scotland?

41.

asked also the Secretary for Scotland, in view of the Lord Chancellor's Manchester speech, if he will say what steps he proposes to take to ensure that when an advance is made in English educational reform an equal if not greater advance shall be made in Scottish education so that the unquestioned pre-eminence of Scotland may be maintained?

In reply to this question and to question No. 41, I would refer my hon. Friends to the answer given by the Prime Minister on 15th January to a series of questions on the subject of the Lord Chancellor's speech.

When this scheme is being prepared will the whole position be recast so that the education provided may be more relative to the needs of the time?

Jedburgh School Board

40.

asked the Secretary for Scotland if he will say, as regards the Lady Yester Mortification, ad ministered by the Jedburgh School Board, and the demand made by the auditor under Section 30 of the Scottish Education Act, 1908, that a part of the revenue shall be paid over to the secondary education committee of the district to be applied to the granting of bursaries, leaving the rest to be adminisered by the school board in pro viding books and stationery, on what ground the auditor or the Department has taken the amount expended in an abnormal year of change, namely, 1889, on books and stationery as an ordinary fair and average yearly amount, especially as the Department's minute of 26th August, 1889, did not come into operation until 1st Octo- ber, 1889; whether, as the Jedburgh School Board has represented, under the second proviso of Section 30, that the selection of the calendar year 1889 is inapplicable and leads to unfair allocation of the revenue, he can see his way to allocating the parts for bursaries and books, etc., on an average of years of expenditure; and whether the rule stated in the Department Circular 441 of 10th May, 1911, about the normal measure of fairness, which the auditor relies on in the discussion with the Jedburgh School Board, has any support from Statute or is to be applied in all cases as a rule of law, or whether it is only an indication of the spirit in which the Department will be disposed to interpret Section 30 in normal cases?

I am sending my hon. Friend a copy of Circular 441, which will, I think, give him the explanation asked for in the first part of his question, and will also make it clear that the second of the two alternatives suggested in the last part corresponds most closely to the facts. In the particular case he mentions no formal reference has yet been made to the Department, but in reply to an inquiry the auditor states that the amount which he thinks it would be reasonable and fair for him to allow is not only larger than the sum spent by the Governors in the year 1889, but also larger than the average annual expenditure of any five continuous years prior to 1902. In these circumstances, I can hold out no hope that it would be possible to grant terms more favourable to the board should it be necessary for the Department to make a statutory determination.

Free Church Of Scotland

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether his attention has been directed to the fact that there are nearly 100 vacancies in the pulpits of the Free Church of Scotland; and whether, in view of the failure to administer trust funds in this case, he proposes to take steps, by legislation or otherwise, to secure that the intentions of the Commission under the Churches (Scotland) Act, 1905, shall be carried out?

I am informed that the statements of fact alleged by the hon. Member are disputed by the authorities of the Free Church. The question of Government action does not therefore at present arise, and I hope it never will.

Is it not the case that seven years have elapsed since this Commission originally delimited the boundaries of the Free Church in Scotland, and is not the right hon. Gentleman aware that in towns like Aberdeen congregations have not got ministers, and does he not think that the time has now arrived when the Commission should again delimit the boundaries of this Church in Scotland?

Land Values Committee

47.

asked the Prime Minister when the Committee on Land Tenure appointed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with his approval, is likely to issue its Report; and if he will then be in a position to make an announcement as to the Government's policy, or if the object of this Committee is to collect information in support of a policy already decided upon?

I understand that a Report is likely to be issued within a comparatively short time. The answer to the last branch of the question is in the negative.

Can the continued reticence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer now be attributed to affairs in the Balkans, or to differences in the Cabinet on this subject?

Has the right hon. Gentleman's attention been called to newspaper statements to the effect that the policy of land reform has been sub-milted to the Cabinet by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and rejected by them; and is there any foundation for such statements which are persistently circulated?

Government Offices (Edinburgh)

49.

asked the number of separate Government offices in Edinburgh, giving their location and title; the number of head offices, branch offices, overflow offices, and temporary offices, with their location; how many of the premises are owned, leased, or rented; the rates and taxes, or their equivalents, on those offices; the number of telephones in use; the number of messengers employed; the number of housekeepers; the number of separate lifts; the number of Departments set up within the last five years; their relation to the centre of the city and the railway stations; and how many of them are on the tramway service?

The information asked for by my hon. Friend can only be obtained by a large amount of research involving great labour and some delay. The First Commissioner would be willing, should my hon. Friend desire it, to prepare and furnish a list of the Government offices in Edinburgh.

Will the hon. Gentleman supply us with that list in view of the site for these buildings?

I have already stated that the First Commissioner will be glad to supply the list.

Has the hon. Member found out whether the First Commissioner has ever been in Edinburgh and examined the site?

64.

asked whether the desirability of having an open or selected competition as to dealing with the Calton Hill site, Edinburgh, has yet been considered; and, if not, in view of the importance of the matter, will the First Commissioner have the proposal considered?

The question of having a competition for the buildings on the Calton Hill site has been considered. The First Commissioner has invited Sir Robert Lorimer to express his views on the scheme which has been prepared. When the report has been received the First Commissioner will lay it before the Committee which has been considering this question.

What is the use of this if they have not yet got the site on which these buildings are to be put, and if the site, as they assume, belongs to someone else who has never yet been paid for it?

Difficulties as to the title of the site have nothing Lo do with the Office of Works.

Ought the Department to be put to the expense, and Scottish Members to the trouble, of looking into the matter if the site is not available for the buildings of which they have actually a model in the Board of Works Office now?

The Office of Works has no evidence to show that the site will not be available, and are proceeding on the assumption that it will be.

Is it the fact that before any building operation can be undertaken the matter must come before the House on the Estimates?

Oh, yes. No new work will be undertaken until a Vote is passed in Committee of Supply.

Small Land Holders Act

55.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he will give the reason for his refusal to grant the Return under the Small Land Holders Act asked for on the 13th instant?—Lord NISIAN CRICHTOX-STUAKT—Small Holdings (England and Wales)—Return showing, for each county in England and Wales, particulars of the land acquired under the Small Holdings and Allotments Act, 1908, and let in Small Holdings on the 29th day of September, 1912, in the following form:—

Name of county.Acreage purchased by agreement.Acreage purchased compulsorily.Purchase price.Price per acre.Acreage hired, by agreement.Acreage hired compulsorily.Total rent payable by council.Rent per acre.Amount spent on adaptation.Total rent payable by councils' tenants.Rent per acre payable by councils' tenantsRent per acre paid by previous tenant before land was acquired by county council.No. of holdings into which land has been divided.No. of tenants who have given up their holdings.Amount of rents in arrcav on latest available date (date to be given).No. of tenants in arrear on latest available date (date to besamcas above.)

I am obliged to the Noble Lord for giving me this opportunity to remove a misconception which has been caused by my refusal to grant the Return to which he refers. I am not only willing to grant a Return giving all possible information with regard to the progress made under the Small Holdings and Allotments Act, 1908, but, as I have already informed the Noble Lord, I think that such a Return would be a most useful document. My refusal to grant the Return on the 13th January was due to the fact that the particulars asked for in column 13 of the form appended to the Notice of Motion are in some cases unobtainable, and, even if they were obtained, would obviously be misleading.

with at least some of the information asked for in column 13, if not all?

As I have already said, I cannot grant the Return for the reason that some of the information is unobtainable, and such as is obtainable would be misleading. If column 13 is omitted, I can grant the Return at once.

I will raise this question on the Motion for Adjournment to-night.

Agricultural Co-Operation (Scotland)

42.

asked the right hon. Gentleman, as representing the Scottish Board of Agriculture, whether any steps have recently been taken to establish or develop the system of co-operation in the agricultural commerce of Scotland; whether anything has been done to place cheap and easy credit within reach of the whole farming and crofting community; and, if not, whether he proposes to follow the example of the English Board in this matter?

The Board cordially support the efforts of the Scottish Agricultural Organisation Society to promote the formation and organisation of co-operative agricultural societies, and have been making inquiries as to the best means of bringing credit within the reach of small holders, but, as negotiations are still proceeding, I am not in a position to make any more definite statement. The position in Scotland is a little different from what it is in England.

Will this be done direct through the agency of the State, without the aid of private banks?

No, Sir, I am not prepared to make any statement in that direction.

Calton Goal (Edinburgh)

43.

asked the right hon. Gentleman whether he has made any Order to discontinue the Calton Gaol?

44.

asked whether the Prison Commissioners for Scotland have secured a site for the proposed new prison; if not, when they are likely to do so; and whether he can say how long it would probably be before the new prison was ready for use?

It would not be in the public interest to enter into any details in regard to the question of a new site at present.

May I have an answer to the question whether the Prison Commissioners have secured a site?

I have answered that question. It would not be in the public interest to make any statement on the subject.

48.

asked in whom the legal estate in the site of the Calton Gaol is at present vested; to whom it is to be transferred; and what is the consideration for such transfer?

In reply to the first part of the question, I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply he received yesterday from the hon. Member for St. George's-in-the-East. The proposal at present under consideration is for an ultimate transfer to the First Commissioner of Works; as to how and on what conditions such a transfer can be arranged I am not prepared to make any intimation at this stage.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that plans have already been drawn and models set up for buildings on this site, which has not even yet been transferred to the Prison Commissioners?

Before this transfer to the Prison Commissioners takes place, will Members of Parliament have any chance of discussing this question?

Small Holdings (Scotland)

50.

asked how many applications for small holdings, under the Small Landholders (Scotland) Act, 1911, have been received from the county of Lanark; and how many of these applications have been already dealt with?

As I stated in the general statistics for the various counties in Scotland, given in reply to a question on 7th January, the number of applicants for small holdings in Lanarkshire up to and including 31st December, 1912, was 108. With reference to the second part of the question, I would ask my hon. Friend to wait for the Report of the Board of Agriculture, which is being made up to the end of last year.

Royal Navy

Rosyth Dockyard

53.

asked whether a garden town is to be set up at Rosyth on the initiation of the Local Government Board; whether the necessary land has been secured for this scheme; and when it is proposed to begin the work of the scheme?

The Local Government Board have no direct authority to imitate a garden city, but in the special circumstances of Rosyth they have done all in their power to secure that development will proceed on approved principles. They have authorised the preparation of a town planning scheme, embracing the Rosyth area, by the local authority of the Burgh of Dunfermline, and they understand that that scheme is now practically complete, and will be submitted for the Board's approval on an early date. Before giving their approval the Board will satisfy themselves that adequate provision is made therein for the proper development of the area. The Board are informed that Admiralty and other land required for development is available for feuing. As soon as the Board's approval of the scheme is given, it will be possible to begin the work of providing suitable housing accommodation.

Armour Plates (Cost)

80.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if there has been any considerable rise in the cost of armour plates during the last few years; if the number of firms through whom this material can be obtained has become restricted; and if, in order to effect economy and prevent delay as regards the shipbuilding programme for this and future years, and stop the formation of a price ring, he will consider as to making other arrangements as regards the supply of, at any rate, some portion of the materials required?

The reply to the first part of the question is that there has been no increase, but, on the contrary, a diminution during the last few years, though the price is still very high. The reply to the second part is that the number of firms engaged in this manufacture has undergone no change for some years past. I may add that all practicable sources of supply and the best means of meeting the requirements of the Service in this respect on reasonable terms receive unremitting attention on the part of the Admiralty.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he did not state previously that some of the ships were kept back in consequence of not being able to obtain the necessary armour plates?

Yes, we have had delays, but with great respect I do not think that question arises out of the answer.

Hms "Tybian"

81.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether His Majesty's tug "Syrian," of Sheerness, is employed for ocean towage as far as the Firth of Forth and Cromarty; whether she carries any lifeboat when at sea; and, if not, what beat accommodation is provided for the crew in case of danger to the vessel?

The "Tyrian," to which vessel I presume the hon. Member refers, is a small twin-screw steel tug, of 300 tons displacement, and 450 indicated horse-power, built in 1900. She has been employed on the towage of lighters to Scotland, and in connection with mooring work in Scottish waters. She is a vessel of comparatively light draught, and therefore most suitable for that particular service, in the carrying out of which she would never be very far from land. She has not carried a lifeboat, but a fourteen feet boat of ordinary build. I am making further inquiry into the question of boat provision.

May I ask if it is not a fact that there was a crew of fifteen on the vessel which never had lifeboat accommodation for more than six?

I think the norma crew would be eleven, and that at sea she might have two more, making thirteen. The boat she had might carry eight.

Underground Telegraph Cables

54.

asked the right hon. Gentleman whether, at the time when the underground telegraph line was projected between Exeter and Penzance, he or his predecessors made any representations to the Post Office that a similar line should be constructed between Edinburgh and Aberdeen; and whether since then any notice has been taken in his office or representations made by him to the Postmaster-General as to the frequent breakdown of telegraphic communications in the North-East of Scotland and the consequent great financial losses incurred by Scottish interests?

I am unable to say what representations, if any, my predecessor may have made at the time referred to; on the recent occasion the representations were made, and were properly made, directly to my right hon. Friend the Postmaster-General.

Has not the right hon. Gentleman taken the trouble to find out what representations, if any, his predecessors made before answering a question of this sort?

The right hon. Gentleman has a false idea of his duties. Does he not consider it part of his duty to endeavour, as Secretary for Scotland, to obtain for Scotland a fair apportionment of the money devoted to national development?

I do not consider it part of my duty to do work which falls within the province of my right hon. Friend the Postmaster-General. Hon. Members in this House on the present occasion have taken the proper course. They have made their representations to my right hon. Friend, and that is the course which is indicated by all Parliamentary practice.

When I get more information I shall move the Adjournment of the House in order to call attention to the Secretary for Scotland's wrong idea of what his duties are.

Small Holdings

56.

asked whether Stephen Tilley applied to the Wiltshire Small Holdings Committee for a small holding in January, 1908; whether his application was in due course approved; whether he has since repeatedly asked the small holdings committee to satisfy his approved requirements; if no suitable land within reach of his abode has at any time been offered him during this long period of five years; and, if not, why not?

The county council have tried without success to obtain land to satisfy Mr. Tilley's application, and in May last they made a compulsory hiring order with that object; but the Board were unable to confirm the order. Some alternative land to that scheduled in the order was offered, but Mr. Tilley refused it

57.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that William Watts applied to the Cambridgeshire Small Holdings Committee for a small holding in October, 1907; that his application was in due course approved, and that he has since repeatedly asked the small holdings committee to satisfy his approved requirements; and will he explain why no suit able land within reach of his abode has at any time been offered him during this period of five years and three months?

Mr. Watts already occupies forty acres in the parish of Lode, Cambridgeshire, and he has applied for ten acres more. The county council have acquired 122 acres in the parish for small holdings, and these have been let to applicants who were in greater need of land than Mr. Watts appears to be. I am informed that when more land is available the council will be prepared to let him have sufficient to bring his holding up to the maximum acreage.

58.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that Frederick Munt applied to the Oxfordshire Small Holdings Committee for a small holding three or four years ago; that his application was in due course approved, and that he has since repeatedly asked the small holdings committee to satisfy his approved requirements; and whether he will explain why no land has been offered him during the whole of this period?

Mr. Munt has applied for five acres of accommodation land at Horsepath, Oxfordshire, and no suitable land can at present be obtained by agreement. The council are satisfied that if compulsory powers were used the rent would be more than he is prepared to pay. The Small Holdings Commissioner for the district has the case in hand, and I hope that it may be found possible to provide Mr. Munt with land before long.

59.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that Richard Bass applied to the Bucks Small Holdings Committee for a small holding in May, 1908; that his application was in due course approved, and that he has since repeatedly asked the small holdings committee to satisfy his approved requirements; and will he explain why no suitable land within reach of his abode has at any time been offered him during this period of four years and eight months?

Mr. Bass applied for four to six acres of arable land at Brill, Bucks. Nearly all the land in the neighbourhood is grass, and it is impossible to obtain arable land without doing great injustice to the present occupiers. Mr. lass was offered some pasture land last Michaelmas, but refused to pay the rent asked; he afterwards changed his mind, but by that time the land had been let to other applicants.

Uganda Railway

60.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps he proposes to take to relieve the congestion prevailing on the Uganda railway owing to the deficiency of rolling stock?

A considerable quantity of new rolling stock is on order. Delivery has begun and all possible steps are being taken to expedite matters.

Federated Malay States (Toddy Shop Licences)

61.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been directed to an enactment recently passed by the Federal Council of the Federated Malay States to amend the Excise enactments of 1908 and 1909; whether he is aware that the amending enactment transfers the control of the issue of toddy shop licences from the licensing board to the Resident or his delegate; whether he can give the reasons for this change; and whether he will state what arrangements have been made under the new enactment for the consultation of local opinion as to the number and situation of licences?

The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative, though I would point out that the resident is bound by the law to consult the Licensing Board before granting exclusive rights to sell toddy. I presume that the change has been made for administrative convenience. Local opinion, as I have pointed out, must under the terms of the law be consulted before any exclusive right is granted.

British West Indies

62.

asked what preparations are now being made or considered in the British West Indian Islands to cope with the expected development of ship ping in the Caribbean Sea consequent upon the opening of the Panama Canal; and whether the Colonial Office has been asked for or has tendered advice or assist ance to enable our Crown Colonies to make full and adequate provision?

I may remind my hon. Friend that I have already stated, in reply to a question on the 15th October last, that the Government of Jamaica had purchased a site abutting on Kingston Harbour, in order that it might be placed in a better position to deal with any demand for coaling, docking, or repairing facilities. I have since learned that a Canadian syndicate is negotiating with the Island Government, with a view to the provision of such facilities. Harbour improvement schemes for Port of Spain, Trinidad, and St. George's, Grenada, are under consideration, and proposals have been made for the establishment of oil bunkering stations in Barbados and St. Lucia. I have been in frequent communication with the Colonial Governments and with my technical advisers in regard to the questions to which my hon. Friend refers.

House Of Commons (Tape Machine)

63.

asked the hon. Member for St. George's-in-the-East, as representing the First Commissioner of Works, whether he is aware that there is only one tape machine in the House; that that machine is in the Members' Cloak Room and can therefore only be conveniently seen by Members on their way in and out, and that that machine is hired from a news agency which does not furnish reports of speeches and other matters as fully as the machines of other companies; whether the speech of the right hon. Member for Bootle at Ashton did not appear on the tape at all though it was to-be read on the Exchange Telegraph Company's tape machine at most of the clubs on the evening of its delivery; and whether the First Commissioner of Works can see his way to furnish the House, with at least as good a tape machine as that to be found in the Foreign Office and principal clubs, and, if possible, to place it in the Library or in some other central spot?

There is only one automatic news recording machine in, the House of Commons. The news supplied is, I am assured, as full and authentic as that supplied by any other agency. On the occasion mentioned by the hon. Member the report of the speech of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Bootle was, owing to a delay in transmission which has been the subject of correspondence between the agency and the Postmaster-General, not received until after the House had risen. The machine at present in the House of Lords is identical with the one in the Members' Cloak Room and worked by the same wire.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the speech of the right hon. Gentleman (Mr. Austen Chamberlain) about a week ago was also very badly reported, by which inconvenience and distress was caused to Members of the Opposition?

Repair Of Fences (Monmouthshire)

71.

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether his attention has been called to the controversy between the Monmouthshire County Council and the Ebbw Vale Urban District Council respecting the liability to repair the fences at the sides of the county council main roads within the area of the district council; whether, as both authorities disclaim the liability to repair and the lives of the public are seriously endangered, he can decide the matter at issue; and whether, if he is unable to do this, he will inform the inhabitants of the district who are exposed to this danger what steps they can take to secure the immediate repair of these fences?

My attention has been called to this matter, but it is not one which I have any power to decide. Other interests besides those of the local authorities may be involved, and I do not think I ought to advise upon a question which can only be decided in the Courts.

Headlights (Motor Vehicles)

72.

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether he will consider the advisability of prohibiting the use of dazzling head lights on motor vehicles in the streets of London?

Elementary School Teachers (Pensions)

73.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he has yet decided on the claims of elementary school teachers superannuated prior to April, 1912, for an in crease in their pensions?

I understand that the Departmental Committee, appointed last year, will not be in a position for some little time to say whether the money at my disposal will be exhausted by the improvements made by the Act of 1912 in the benefits payable under the Elementary School Teachers (Superannuation) Act of 1898. Any decision as to the teachers referred to in the question must necessarily be postponed until the Committee have reported.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he has any idea when the Committee will report?

I believe there has been some unfortunate delay in making the appointment of actuaries, and I am not very sanguine that they will report very speedily. I have been in communication with the Chairman, who has given me that impression.

Dilapidations Act

74.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if the Dilapidations Act, 1871, is repealed by the Established Church (Wales) Bill; and, if so, to what extent?

The provisions of this Act will remain in force as a matter of contract unless the Disestablished Church by its new constitution sees fit to change any or all of them.

Telegraph And Telephone Services

76.

asked the Postmaster-General what steps have been or will be taken to bring the hours of attendance of night (male) telephonists in London, recently transferred to the Post Office service, into line with the Post Office standard without resort to overtime; and if he can state whether the questions under consideration have included the advisability, or otherwise, of setting aside the recommendation of the Hobhouse Committee that women should not as a rule be employed later than 8.15 p.m.?

The alteration involved the training of about 100 additional night operators, which has necessarily occupied a considerable time. It is hoped, however, that the whole of the additional force will have been trained and assigned to the various exchanges before the end of March. In consequence of difficulties to which the rigid application of the Hob-house Recommendation referred to would have given rise, it was decided as far back as 1908 that, when necessary and if circumstances were favourable, the hours of women's attendance might be extended to 9.15 p.m. This arrangement is now in force at a few London exchanges. In three exchanges where attendances extending beyond 9.15 p.m. were in force under the National Company's system it has not yet been possible to abolish them. It is hoped, however, to do so in the course of a few days.

77.

asked the Post master-General whether he is aware of the inconvenience that has been caused to the city of Hull through the breakdown of the telegraphic and telephonic service owing to the recent snowstorm; and whether he will take immediate steps to have the cables installed in the pipes which have already been laid unground?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave yesterday to the hon. Member for Central Hull.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether all the admirable economic arguments which he advanced last night do not apply equally to Dundee and Aberdeen?

78.

asked the Post master-General when the rural telephone party-line for the Alness district of Ross-shire, which has been under consideration for some time, is likely to be granted?

Under the rural party-line conditions there should be Seven subscribers at £3 10s. a year for a line of the length required in this case. There are, however, only five prospective subscribers in the Alness district. I should be pleased to proceed with the work at Alness if the five subscribers would undertake to pay between them the amount of seven subscriptions of £3 10s. per annum.

Mails To Kames, Kyles Of Bute

79.

asked the Postmaster- General who has the contract for carrying mails to Kames, Kyles of Bute; whether he is aware that the traders of that place are inconvienced by the letters being delivered late in the day; that the Glasgow and South-Western Company would be willing to run an evening steamer down and morning steamer up if they were given part of the mail contract; and that this would be a great advantage otherwise to the people there?

David Mac-Brayne, Limited, hold the contract for carrying mails to Kames. I am having inquiry made on the other points in the hon. Member's question, and I will acquaint him with the result.