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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 50: debated on Tuesday 25 March 1913

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Opium Traffic

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether anything, and, if so, what, has resulted from the International Opium Conference held at The Hague in December and January last?

The Convention which was signed as a result of the International Conference has not yet been ratified, but an invitation has been received from the Netherland Government, in accordance with Article 23 of the Convention, for a fresh meeting of delegates to take place in June at The Hague to examine the question of ratification. His Majesty's Government have accepted that invitation.

6.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether, if, at the end of 1917 China is proved not to have discontinued her cultivation of the poppy, India will be entitled to export to China the number of chests she would have been entitled to export but for the, in that case abortive, agreement?

Under the terms of the agreement, the export of opium to China will have been brought to an end by the close of 1917, and there is no provision for its resumption in any circumstances.

May I ask if this Government will refrain from at any time forcing upon China a drug, the use of which the Chinese consider pernicious and which they are endeavouring to end?

I think the hon. Member expresses views which are more a subject of debate than of question and answer.

British Interests In Southern Persia

2.

asked how long a squadron of the Central Indian Horse is to remain in Shiraz; and whether the Government has arrived at any conclusion as to what steps should be taken in view of the anarchy prevailing in the sphere called neutral, but in which British interests predominate in Southern Persia?

The Central India Horse as was stated last week are about to be withdrawn from Shiraz. As regards the second part of the question, the views of His Majesty's Government were given to the House by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in his speech on 14th February to which I have nothing to add at present.

Liberia (Labour Conditions)

3.

asked whether His Majesty's Government has any information to the effect that the Liberian Government contemplates the prohibition of the systematic exportation of boys from Liberia; and whether His Majesty's Consul at Monrovia has instructions to the effect that such a measure would be acceptable to His Majesty's Government?

I understand that the Liberian Government are making inquiries as to the employment of Liberian labour in foreign countries, but I am not aware that they intend to prohibit labourers leaving Liberia. The only instructions sent to His Majesty's Consul-General at Monrovia that are at all relevant were to inform the Liberian Government of some abuses that had come to our notice respecting shipment of labourers under false pretences, in order that they might take what measures they thought right to protect their own people.

May I ask would it be contrary to diplomatic propriety to express satisfaction with the prohibition of the export of labour from Liberia, in case that should be the view of His Majesty's Government?

I do not see that we have a case for expressing an opinion on the total prohibition of labour. We have informed the Liberian Government that some of their labourers were being sent away under false pretences in order that they might take whatever measures they thought fit to prevent such labour being shipped under false pretences.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that quite apart from the question of fraudulent exportation of Liberian boys, there is the point that there is not now sufficient labour recruited for the industries already existing in Monrovia and Liberia generally?

Sudan

4.

asked if in the Gezira district of the Sudan, there are 5,000,000 acres of land suitable for the growth of first-class cotton of the kind which Lancashire needs for her mills; and, if so, how many European experts in cotton growing has the Government sent out to this district?

The British Cotton Growing Association has been carrying on investigations as to the possibilities of the Sudan for cotton growing, and the conclusions at which that body arrived were put before the Prime Minister by a deputation last January, a full account of which has already appeared in the Press. There has been no occasion, so far as I am aware, for His Majesty's Government to send out special experts. The whole subject is already receiving all possible attention.

5.

asked what the Government is doing to encourage the inflow of population to the Sudan, where there are millions of acres of land of excellent quality awaiting the agriculturist?

The population of the Sudan is steadily increasing owing to natural causes, and the reasons for that increase are dealt with in Lord Kitchener's Annual Report published last May, page 52, to which I would refer the hon. Member.

Currency (India)

7.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether further consideration of the proposals for minting gold coins in, and introducing a gold coinage into, India will be postponed until the Indian Currency Commission is appointed?

I would refer the hon. Member to the answers given to the hon. Member for North Islington on the 19th inst.

Imprisonment Of Mr Arnold (Burma)

8.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether his attention has been called to the action for damages that is being brought against Mr. Channing Arnold by Captain Finnie, a superintendent of police in Burma, on the subject of the M'Cormick case; whether he is aware that Captain Finnie is being supported by the local Government of Burma in this action, and is receiving Government money for Court fees and the services of the Government advocate; and whether, having regard to the proceedings before the Privy Council, which are now pending, the Secretary of State will take steps to secure the postponement of this case?

It is not open to the Secretary of State to take steps for the postponement of the civil action brought by Captain Finnie against Mr. Arnold. The latter can apply to the Court, with whom it will rest to decide whether the Privy Council proceedings constitute any ground for postponing the hearing of the civil suit.

Is it not the fact that Captain Finnie was really put up by the local Government of Burma to bring this action against Mr. Channing Arnold, and would my hon. Friend remember that during his unfortunate absence Mr. Arnold has been very badly treated, and could he not do something to make up for his long absence?

Captain Finnie has not been put up by the Government of Burma, which is in no sense a party to the action.

Is it not the fact that the Government of Burma are paying or indemnifying Captain Finnie for his costs?

There are certain well-known rules, which I shall be glad to show to the hon. Member, under which a Government servant must apply for leave. He has applied for leave and that leave has been granted.

There is also procedure either for paying his costs or indemnifying him in the event of his success. I have no information as to which the Government of Burma is doing, but they are acting strictly in accordance with the rules.

Territorial Force (Royal Visit To Chingford)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether there were any special reasons why the Essex Territorial Force, including cadets and National Reserve, were excluded from taking part in the loyal welcome to their Majesties on the occasion of their first visit to Essex since their accession to the Throne, in view of the fact that the Territorial Force intimated to the War Office in December, 1912, the desire of the Territorial Force to be permitted to take part in the ceremonies on 15th March, 1913; and whether he will consider the desirability of affording every opportunity to the Territorial Force, National Reserve, and other Territorial organisations to be present at national demonstrations of welcome and loyalty to their Majesties?

His Majesty's visit to Chingford was essentially of a civilian nature, and the presence of troops in any numbers was, therefore, not required. Had the visit been of a military character the Territorial Force would, of course, have taken part.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there was a guard of honour of soldiers present?

Yes, that was arranged at the last moment, for special reasons. The visit was essentially civilian in character. His Majesty arrived in a motorcar, in civilian dress, and the General Officer Commanding was not in uniform. Had the visit been of a military character I need hardly say that the Territorial Force would have been asked to take part.

The Territorial Force of Essex feel very much hurt that they were not allowed to take part.

Since the right hon. Gentleman is good enough to call my attention to the matter, I will say at once that I regret that they should feel hurt, but, this not being a military function, and expressly intended not to be, was not a case in which we could have troops in any number. In any future occasion when there is a military function I need hardly say that the Territorial Force and the other organisations referred to in the question, so far as they can be utilised, will be asked to take part.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us what notice the Territorial officer commanding had that his services would not be required, and is it not the fact that they were on the ground by arrangement, and only got a telegram at the last moment?

I do not know if there was a mistake of that kind, but I shall be glad to inquire if the hon. Member informs me of the circumstances.

Gifts To Charitable Institutions (Taxation)

11.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the sum produced yearly for the years 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911 and 1912 by the taxation of gifts to charitable institutions?

I regret that I have no statistics available.

Excise And Customs Department

12.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether surveyors of Excise origin of six years' service in the grade are actually in receipt of a lower salary than some unattached surveyors of Customs origin recently appointed; and, if so, whether he can see his way to improve the position of these men?

Certain members of the new surveyor grade, who were formerly second-class supervisors of Excise, are at slightly lower salaries than certain others, recently appointed, who were formerly first-class examining officers of Customs. This is due to the fact that the latter, as first-class examining officers in the old organisation, had salaries slightly in excess of the minimum salary of the new grade of surveyors, whose scale their own scale overlapped, and they entered that grade at those salaries. There is, therefore, no reason for taking any action as suggested.

13.

asked whether recently several unattached surveyors of Customs origin have been promoted to districts; how long were they in the grade previous to being transferred to districts; and will he say whether at the time of their transference there were more than thirty unattached surveyors senior to them; and, if so, what was the cause for this disregard of precedent?

Twenty-two unattached surveyors were recently appointed to districts, some of which had formerly been Customs districts and some Excise. Ten of these surveyors were men of Customs origin who had been included in the new grade in May last. At the time of their appointment there were some thirty unattached surveyors of Excise origin who had been included in the new grade some months earlier. These appointments were made, after full consideration, by the Board of Customs and Excise. There are no precedents applicable to the present transitional stage of amalgamation.

Income Tax Assessments (Deductions)

15.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he received a letter from the vicar of Speen, near Newbury, dated 9th December, in which he claimed an allowance of one-fourth from the assessment for Income Tax of his clerical income for professional expenses; whether he replied that there was no provision in the Income Tax Act for making such an allowance; and, if so, whether he will explain under what provision of the Income Tax Act the allowance of one-fourth is made to Members of Parliament for their professional expenses?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. In reply to the letter referred to, my right hon. Friend has informed the vicar of Speen that an allowance for professional expenses was only admissible in so far as the expenses were wholly, exclusively, and necessarily incurred in the performance of the duties of his office. As has been explained on various occasions, such allowance is lawful under the provisions of Section 51 of the Income Tax Acts, 1853, and in the case of Members of Parliament was fixed at one-fourth for administrative convenience.

Is it not a fact that the Chancellor of the Exchequer said, in reply to this reverend Gentleman, that there was no provision in the Act for such deductions; if so, can the right hon. Gentleman explain, say, which is the provision under which the deductions are made?

No. I think that what my right hon. Friend said was that they were admissible only in so far as they were expenses wholly, exclusively, and necessarily incurred in the performance of the duties of the office.

Will the right hon. Gentleman suggest to this vicar that he should ask his lay rector to indemnify him?

Hospitals (Legacy Duty)

18.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has been appealed to on behalf of voluntary hospitals to remit Legacy Duty on all sums left by will to such hospitals; whether he is aware that for the last four available years, 1907–10, this duty averaged only about £57,000 per annum; whether all Irish hospitals are already exempt from such duty; and whether, in view of the present and prospective difficulties and responsibilities devolving on voluntary hospitals through the National Insurance Act, he will sympathetically consider the question of placing the voluntary hospitals of Great Britain in the same position as those of Ireland in this respect?

The answers to the first and third parts of the question are in the affirmative. With regard to the second part, I am advised that, as far as it can be ascertained, the amount of duty involved is approximately £100,600 per annum. My hon. Friend's suggestion has received most careful consideration, but I fear that my right hon. Friend does not see his way to make the suggested alteration.

Is there any justification for making a distinction in this matter between hospitals in Great Britain and hospitals in Ireland?

National Insurance Act

Joint Boards (Representation)

19.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether the Local Government Board, in making an Order under Section 64 (3) of the National Insurance Act, 1911, for the provision of a sanatorium for a combination of counties, including the burghs therein having a population of less than 20,000, have power to provide for these burghs being represented on the joint board by a representative or representatives appointed by the town councils of these burghs out of their own number?

The question is engaging the attention of the Local Government Board for Scotland in their consideration of a Draft Order at present before them. They are of opinion that they have no power to provide in their Order for direct representation on the joint committee constituted by the Order of burghs under 20,000 in the manner indicated in the question, seeing that these are for the purposes of the Act included in the county and have representation on the county council. It would, however, in the opinion of the Board be competent to provide in the Order that the county council in appointing their representatives on the joint committee should appoint as the representative of each such burgh the member, or one of the members, who represent the burgh on the county council.

Premiums (Rebate)

14.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can allow a rebate of part of the premium paid under the National Insurance Act to members of the Warehousemen and Clerks' Association and similar societies, who are already provided with full medical benefits apart from the Act and who can under no circumstances require the services of the doctor provided by the State?

I have no power to allow such a rebate of premium as is suggested. Whether the members of the association referred to should be allowed to make their own arrangements for medical attendance and receive a contribution towards the cost is a matter for the insurance committees to determine.

Assistant Clerks

17.

asked if the three sorters from the General Post Office who were recently appointed supervising assistant clerks in the Accountant General's Department of the National Health Insurance Commission, Maida Hill, were graded as assistant clerks for one day?

The circumstances in which the three persons referred to were appointed were stated in detail in the answer I gave to my hon. Friend on the 6th instant. Apart from their previous service under the Commission in a temporary capacity (during which they retained their rank as sorters) they have been graded and paid as supervising assistant clerks from the date on which they joined the permanent staff of the Department. Of the alternative methods of transfer open to the Commission, that of passing them through the nominal rank of assistant clerk was adopted as being, for technical reasons, the simplest in this case.

Maternity Benefit

35.

asked whether in Scotland, and particularly in Edinburgh, maternity benefit is not being paid to the women themselves, but to male relatives representing themselves as authorised to receive such; whether this is according to the Act, or whether the insurance committees have power to alter this method of payment?

The Scottish Commissioners are not aware that maternity benefit, either in Edinburgh or elsewhere in Scotland, is being paid to persons other than the insured persons entitled to it without proper authority from the latter. Section 18 (1) of the Act provides that where the husband is insured the maternity benefit is payable in respect of his insurance and by his society, and is to be treated as his benefit, though the society have power to administer it in cash or otherwise as they think fit. Insurance committees administer under similar conditions the maternity benefit of deposit contributors, but they have no powers with regard to the maternity benefit of members of approved societies.

Should not this maternity money be paid directly to the doctor or the nurse?

That question, I think, was raised when the Insurance Act was being passed, and a very strong opinion was expressed in the House that the system now adopted was the best system.

Is there any liability specially imposed upon the husband by the Act to provide his wife with what medical attendance is necessary?

The husband is exposed to prosecution and conviction if the wife is neglected during this period.

Fiars Prices

20.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he intends this Session to give legislative effect to the recommendations of the Departmental Committee with reference to fiars prices?

I am hopeful that I may be able to introduce legislation this Session in the direction suggested by my hon. and gallant Friend.

State Loans To Fishermen (Committee Report)

21.

asked when the Report of the Departmental Committee which is considering, inter alia, the question of State loans to fishermen is likely to be forthcoming?

I am not in a position as yet to indicate a date for the publication of this Report, which, as my hon. and gallant Friend is aware, will deal with many other questions besides that of State loans.

Will special attention be given to the question of providing motor engines for their boats to fishermen who have already boats of their own?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the delay in issuing this Report has caused great dissatisfaction and disappointment in fishing centres in Scotland?

Small Holdings (Scotland)

22.

asked the Secretary for Scotland if he is aware that disappointment and dissatisfaction have been created in the North of Scotland by the delay of the Board of Agriculture in forming small holdings under the Small Landholders (Scotland) Act; if he is able to give any explanation of this delay; and if he can hold out any hope that the formation of holdings under the Act will begin at an early date?

25.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he is aware that, although the Small Landholders (Scotland) Act has been in force for nearly fifteen months and many thousand applications have been lodged for the creation and enlargement of holdings, not a single case has yet been dealt with; whether he is aware that, in consequence, dissatisfaction exists in Scotland; will he say what the reasons for the delay are; and whether he will take steps to expedite the action of the Board?

The Act came into force on 1st April, 1912, when the Commissioners commenced their work. I would remind my hon. Friends that a great deal of time was necessarily occupied in setting up the establishment and in preliminary work. The Board of Agriculture has been very actively engaged in working out a number of schemes and in negotiating with landlords in various parts of the country, and I hope soon to present a Report which will give information about the large amount of work which has been clone by the Board. They have in view land which will accommodate over three hundred small landholders.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that emigration is steadily increasing in the North of Scotland, and that it is highly important that this Act should be brought into force?

I am not aware that emigration is increasing. I would rather not express an opinion upon that without notice.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the Commissioners have got hold of any land in Scotland?

Oh, yes; they have got hold of some land, and there is a good deal of land that will have to be brought before the Land Court.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the great importance of giving access to these small holdings while the spring time is on, so that work on the land can be proceeded with? If access is not given until after May it will be another year before anything can be done.

I quite appreciate that point, and every effort is being made to get the small holders on to the land for the May term.

Strathmiglo Water Supply

23.

asked what position has been reached with regard to the Strathmiglo water question?

The Local Government Board have pressed the local authority to take steps to introduce a proper water supply into the village of Strathmiglo, but the local authority, after taking a plebiscite of the inhabitants of the village, would not agree to adopt the Board's suggestion. While satisfied that the present supply is not altogether satisfactory, the Board, after careful consideration, have come to the conclusion that the case is not strong enough to justify them in taking legal proceedings against the local authority.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the minister of the parish would not go into the manse on account of the badness of the water supply?

I am not aware of that. If the Noble Lord will give me any information of the kind I will communicate with the Local Government Board again.

Women Suffragists (Scotland)

26.

asked whether any women imprisoned for offences committed in the course of the Women Suffrage agitation have been artificially fed in any Scottish prison?

Culpable Homicide (Russian Prisoner)

27.

asked whether there has been any recent case of a male prisoner refusing to take food in the ordinary way in any Scottish prison; and, if so, what action the authorities took to deal with it?

There is a recent case of a Russian prisoner sentenced to penal servitude for life for culpable homicide in 1905. Except for a short period, he has served the sentence in Perth Prison Criminal Lunatic Department, where he is now. He has had to be fed artificially.

Temperance (Scotland) Bill

28.

asked the Secretary for Scotland when he proposes to reintroduce the Temperance (Scotland) Bill?

Old Age Pensions

29.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he is aware that cases frequently occur in which aged and infirm persons in receipt of old age pensions are unable to draw any commensurate benefit from their pensions owing to the fact that they are too feeble to look after themselves and have no friends or relatives to tend them, and refuse to enter the poorhouse; and whether he will suggest to the Treasury the advisability of inquiring whether the number of such persons warrants a different form of treatment, and of paying the amount of the pensions in such cases to reputable institutions specially devoted to the care of the aged poor?

A case of the kind described by my hon. Friend has recently been brought to my notice. It is very difficult to ascertain even approximately the number of such persons, as in many instances they are not in receipt of medical relief and do not appear on the Poor Roll. I am, however, asking further inquiry with a view to ascertaining whether the cases are common, and in the meantime will communicate my hon. Friend's suggestions to the Treasury, which is the responsible Department.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the possibility of applying the principle which they have in Denmark?

That is a matter not for my Department, but for the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Can anything be done apart from legislation, or is it absolutely necessary to have new legislation?

I should like notice of that question. I am not aware of anything that can be done without special legislation.

Elementary Schools (Scotland)

24.

asked whether there is any Minute of the Education Board reducing the size of classes in elementary schools; and, if so, whether the Minute is being put into effect?

The Minute referred to in the question is that dated 27th March, 1911, a copy of which I am sending to the hon. Member. The operation of the Minute is at present suspended until 1st August, and in view of representations which have been received its suspension will be continued for a further period of one year from that date.

There have been representations as to the financial hardship. That is the line taken by the school board and others interested in education in Scotland. I hope that a good deal of the work will be done without cost to the local authority.

Wheat Cultivation

30.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture if he will state the acreage of the United Kingdom and of the British Empire, respectively, now under wheat; and what percentage of increase has taken place in the last five years?

The area under wheat in the United Kingdom in 1912 was 1,971,801 acres, an increase of 18 per cent. since 1907. I regret that I cannot give complete figures for the Empire as a whole, but provisional figures for Australia, Canada, India, and New Zealand, show a total area under wheat in 1912 of 47,391,000 acres, an increase of 37 per cent. since 1907.

Co-Operative Credit Societies

31.

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture if he has any information which he can give to this House showing the number of co-operative credit societies which have been formed among small landholders in the United Kingdom?

The complete figures for last year are not yet available, but I believe that there are at present over forty-five co-operative credit societies among small holders in England and Wales. I shall be glad to give more precise figures later on.

Will the right hon. Gentleman find it convenient to bring up to date the Returns issued to me some three or four years ago as supplementary to the Return now asked for?

I will refresh my memory as to the Return, and if it can be brought up to date I shall be glad to do it.

British Guiana (Executive Council)

32.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if the Hon. G. A. Wyatt is leaving British Guiana, thus creating a vacancy on the Executive Council; and whether he will try the experiment of appointing to the vacancy a representative of labour?

I have no information as to Mr. Wyatt's intentions in this matter, but if a vacancy should occur I propose to await the recommendation of the Governor on the subject.

Royal Irish Constabulary

33.

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he is aware of the hardship inflicted on officers of the Royal Irish Constabulary in consequence of the action of the Treasury in charging Income Tax on the allowance of £45 per annum for a groom; and whether, in view of the fact that the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland stated in this House that the Government had carefully considered the question and had decided not to tax the allowance, that from 1873 to 1909 it was paid free of Income Tax, and it comes under the description of a necessary expense—namely, the maintaining of a servant otherwise supplied by Government—he will cause the Treasury to revert to the former established practice of paying the amount free of tax?

I am not prepared to give instructions for a reversion to the practice of exempting the allowance in question from Income Tax, the exemption, which is not supported by statutory authority, having been discontinued in deference to an opinion expressed by the Public Accounts Committee in 1909.

Has the right hon. Gentleman the permission of the Chief Secretary, in view of his statement in this House that this allowance would not be taxed?

The Public Accounts Committee represent the wishes of the House of Commons in this matter, and we must, as far as possible, defer to their considered opinion.

Housing Acts (Local Loans)

34.

asked the amount of money lent by the Public Works Loan Commissioners under the Housing Acts in the last two years, distinguishing the amounts lent to local authorities, public utility societies, and private individuals, respectively; and whether the total amount which may be lent for all purposes by the Public Works Loan Commissioners in any one year is limited; and, if so, what is the limit?

With the hon. Member's permission I will circulate the figures in answer to the first part of this question. The amount of money which may be lent by the Public Works Loan Commissioners in any one year for all purposes (including Housing) is fixed by the annual Public Works Loan Act. In 1912 the amount so fixed was £6,000,000. [See Written Answers this date.]

Is the amount fixed annually according to the needs of each year, or is there a permanent statutory limit?

It is fixed annually by an Act brought forward each year, which we have to submit to the House of Commons.

Trade Boards Act

36.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in the extension of the Trade Boards Act to the industry of manufacture of sugar confectionery, it is intended to include chocolate confectionery containing sugar and confectionery manufactured from gums, such as pastilles and jujubes, which contain sugar, or to confine it to the cheap sugar sweets boiling trade; and whether he can indicate precisely what forms of sugar confectionery it is proposed to include and exclude?

The question of the precise definition of the trades to be included in the Provisional Order Bill extending the application of the Trade Boards Act is at present under consideration.

41.

asked the President of the Board of Trade to state either exactly or approximately, the number of wage-earners of either sex who have come under the operation of the Trade Boards Act since its commencement?

It is estimated that, roughly speaking, there are 200,000 persons employed in the trades at present under the Trade Boards Act, and that about 70 per cent. of these are women and girls.

London And North Western Railway (Accident At Buxton)

37.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that a wagon repairer, named F. Birchenall, was killed in May last at Buxton shunting sidings, London and North-Western Railway, and that it was shown, both at the inquest and the subsequent Board of Trade inquiry, that there is no siding, usually known as the cripple siding, for wagons under repairs at this station, and which renders it very dangerous to the men employed there; and, if so, whether he proposes to take any action in the matter?

The officer who inquired into this accident reported that it was due to the man's failure to take the necessary steps for his protection in accordance with his instructions. Although the siding in which repairs to wagons are usually carried out is not used exclusively for this purpose, I am advised that the instructions referred to should afford adequate protection if duly carried out. I will, however, cause inquiries to be made whether or not it would be practicable to provide a cripple siding at this station.

London County Council (Tramway Service)

38.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been drawn to the dislocation of the tramway service of the London County Council in the south of London through the withdrawal of 119 cars per day owing to a breakdown at the Greenwich generating station; and whether, as he has authorised the county council to suspend their by-laws as regards the number of passengers to be carried in each car, he will cause an official inquiry to be held with a view to prevent the recurrence of such dislocation of the service?

As the causes of the breakdown are known, I do not think that an inquiry into the matter would serve any useful purpose. I should, perhaps, explain that the conveyance of an additional number of passengers on the tramcars has been sanctioned only as a temporary expedient.

Money Trust

39.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the House of Representatives' Money Trust Committee has declared on 28th February, 1913, that a money trust does exist and that its powers should be curbed by stringent federal regulations applying to national banks, clearing houses, and stock exchanges; and whether, considering the power wielded by this financial organisation over all other bourses and banking, he will cause official inquiries to be made at Washington, and lay full particulars of the finding by this committee upon the Table for the benefit of the House?

I have seen Press summaries of the Report to which my hon. Friend refers. When the full Report is received I will consider whether any useful purpose would be served by adopting the course suggested.

Navigation Bill, 1912 (Australia)

40.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been drawn to Schedule I. of the Navigation Bill, 1912, of the Commonwealth of Australia, now awaiting the Royal Assent, which specifies that steamships over 1,000 tons shall carry not less than three certificated officers; whether he is aware of the fact that what is styled the Three Watch Bill is now the law of the United States, making it compulsory that every vessel of 1,000 tons and over shall carry not less than three certificated officers, and that a system of three watches shall be followed in the case of these officers unless the vessel is engaged in a run of less than 400 miles from the port of departure to the port of final destination; and whether he can give any definite assurance that the Board of Trade intend to take similar steps for the purpose of eradicating the two-watch system now carried on in the great majority of British merchant ships, whereby the duties of officers are not less than fifteen hours per diem on every day in the week and where the mental and physical strain thus imposed upon them constitutes danger to life and property at sea?

I am aware of the legislation referred to. As my right hon. Friend informed the hon. Member on 27th January last, the Board of Trade are now considering, in conjunction with the Merchant Shipping Advisory Committee, the question of the Amendments which are desirable in the law relating to the number of certificated officers required to be carried upon British merchant ships. The matter is still before the Advisory Committee, and pending the receipt of their Report I am not in a position to make a statement on the subject.

International Load Line Conference

42.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the fact that he does not intend to refer the question of a light load line to the Committee which he is setting up to advise him as to the instructions to be given to the British delegates to the international Load Line Conference, the British delegates at that conference will be free to consider or to bind this country in respect of any proposal that is brought forward for a light load line?

The object of the International Conference is to endeavour to arrive at an international agreement on the very difficult and technical subject of the rules and regulations for determining freeboard. I doubt if such a question as the institution of a light load line would properly come within the scope of the conference, and in any case the British delegates will not be empowered by their instructions to bind His Majesty's Government on such a subject.

I am not sure that we can limit the subjects discussed. The delegates have no binding powers.

Unemployment, Wages, And Food Prices

43.

asked the percentage of unemployment in the woollen trade in the years 1905 and 1912; what percentage of increase in wages has taken place in this trade in 1912 as compared with 1905; and what percentage of increase in the price of food has taken place in the same period?

I am unable to give a brief reply to my hon. Friend's question, but I will circulate with the Votes a statement giving such information as is available with all the necessary qualifications.

Will the hon. Gentleman in collecting the information take great care to include the recent large percentages of increase of wages?

The Return asked for has already been compiled, but if the hon. Gentleman desires anything further I shall be glad to do what I can.

A rise in wages has, I believe, taken place in quite recent days, and I think that ought to be included in facts brought up-to-date.

Children Act, 1908

44.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether any and, if so, how many prosecutions there have been for infringement of Sections 39, 40, and 41 of the Children Act, 1908; and whether any steps have been taken to prevent the sale of cigarettes from automatic machines to youths under sixteen years of age?

During 1911, the only year for which my right hon. Friend has figures for the whole of England and Wales, there were eighty-three prosecutions under Section 39, and no prosecution under Section 41. In the Metropolitan Police district alone there have been twenty-seven prosecutions under Section 39 from the commencement of the Act up to 31st December last, and no prosecutions under Section 41. Section 40 is not a provision under which a prosecution could be instituted.

Can the hon. Gentleman see his way to put a stop to the sale of cigarettes from automatic machines, seeing that in any case they are poisonous?

Boroughs And Urban Districts

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can now state the result of the consideration proposed three months ago by the Government to the question of the distinction drawn by Parliament in recent Acts between urban districts and boroughs with an equal population; and if the Government are now prepared to introduce legislation to enact that urban district councils with a like population shall have similar powers conferred upon them to those which have recently been conferred upon boroughs?

The Government cannot undertake to introduce any general legislation on this subject, but the point will be considered in connection with all proposals conferring powers on local authorities in districts of an urban character.

Is there any information in the possession of the Local Government Board as a result of the inquiries by them which can be laid on the Table of the House?

Will the right hon. Gentleman give the matter immediate consideration?

Oh, yes, I have said it will be considered this Session in connection with all proposals conferring powers on local authorities.

Established Church (Wales) Bill

46.

asked on what date the Established Church (Wales) Bill will be reintroduced?

Royal Navy

Hms "Psyche"

48.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he has any information as to the condition of His Majesty's ship "Psyche," which has been docked owing to the dangerously thin condition of the bottom plates?

On the 7th of last month a report was received to the effect that a small leak had been discovered in the "Psyche's" bottom under the cement, No. 3 stokehold. It was temporarily stopped by the ship's artificers, and in view of other possible defects the Commander-in-Chief ordered the ship to Sydney for the removal of the cement and the examination and necessary repairs to the bottom, and to be taken in hand for annual refit. A further report was called for on the 13th of last month. It came to hand yesterday and is now under consideration.

As this ship only came out of dock last July, after three and a half months, at a cost of £5,000, is it not high time that she and other ships of her class were replaced by ships of a more efficient character?

I do not know whether the statements made by the hon. Member are quite correct. A considerable amount of money is spent year by year in annual outfit.

Is the rights hon. Gentleman aware that the figures I have just given were supplied to me by the First Lord in answer to a question on 13th November last?

I accept them as correct; these figures were not in my mind at the moment.

Riveters' Pay

50.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty (1) whether he is aware that Messrs. Ransomes and Napier are doing work for his Department, orders numbered 6,541 and 6,674, and that the riveters engaged upon the work are receiving in wages 20s. per week; whether he is aware that this is several shillings below the proper rate; whether he proposes taking action in the matter; (2) whether he is aware that two riveters engaged upon the work, whose ages are twenty and twenty-one respectively, are receiving in wages one 10s. and the other 12s. per week; whether he is aware that this is many shillings below the proper rate; and whether he will take action in the matter?

Messrs. Ransomes and Napier are carrying out work for the Admiralty. Inquiry will be made into the matters to which my hon. Friend has drawn my attention.

Admiralty Clerks (Overtime)

52.

asked whether, in view of the fact that it is not the practice in the Local Government Board, the Savings Bank Department, the Board of Trade, the Home Office, the Customs House, and the War Office for clerks engaged upon overtime to be required to forego the usual Saturday half-holiday or to sacrifice the pay for the first three hours of any overtime they may work, he will take steps to bring his Department into line with the others?

I understand that the question of establishing a uniform practice is engaging the attention of the Treasury.

Marconi Companies

56.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware that the American Marconi Company are described in the Marconi balance-sheet as an associated company and that three directors are on both boards; whether he is aware that large blocks of shares in the American company were held by the English company, and that on 31st December, 1911, 34,174 fully paid shares of the American company were held by the English company and were entered in the balance-sheet at par value, namely, £170,870; and whether, in the event of the Imperial wireless scheme having been approved, all messages passing over the Imperial wireless scheme and directed to America would have been sent to the American company's station?

I have no official information with respect to the facts stated in the first parts of the question, though I do not question their accuracy. The American Marconi Company has, I understand, no interest at all in the British Marconi Company, and does not participate directly or indirectly in its profits. Any messages destined to America which might be received at any of the Imperial wireless stations would be transmitted across the Atlantic, as is now the case, in accordance with the direction of the sender. The method of transmitting undirected messages, if any, has not been decided, and may be left to be determined when the traffic is about to be dealt with and in the light of the conditions which may exist at that time. The Imperial station in England was not intended to communicate with any station in Canada or the United States, and has not been designed so as to fulfil that purpose. Certainly no undertaking of any kind has been given that such messages would be transmitted by way of the American Marconi Company's stations.

Would not all messages sent across the Atlantic from England to America, and from America to England, viâ Marconi, go partly by the American company's system and partly by the British company's system, and therefore they would share the profits?

I do not know what the arrangements are between the American company and the British as regards the allocation of profits on their own traffic.

Is it not a fact that the English company have a very large interest in the Marconi Company?

No. I said the American company has no interest in the English company.

But the American company has no interest in the English or the profits they would make under a contract with the English Government.

57.

asked whether, in view of the statements made in Court, in the "Matin" libel action, that shares in the American Marconi Company had been purchased by the Attorney-General and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and in view of the fact that the American Marconi Company was an associated company of the British Marconi Company and so described in their balance-sheets, he will now reconsider the case of Mr. J. E. Taylor, staff engineer in the Post Office, who bought thirty £1 shares in the Marconi Company, and who was reduced to the rank of assistant superintendent engineer on account of this action?

Mr. J. E. Taylor was one of the expert advisers of my Department on the subject of wireless telegraphy. His official position brought him into touch with the negotiations that were proceeding between the Department and the British Marconi Company, and he bought an interest in the company which was about to contract with the Government at a time prior to the public announcement of the acceptance of its tender. The other purchases referred to in the question were made in the shares of a company which was neither itself contracting with the Government nor had any interest whatever in any contract with the Government, and they were made some time after the acceptance of the British company's tender was universally known. There is no similarity, therefore, in the circumstances, and no ground for the reconsideration which is suggested.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if he cannot really further reconsider this case in view of the fact that Mr. Taylor did not have the advice of the managing director of the Marconi Company as to the best—

I gave the Prime Minister notice that I would to-day repeat the question which I asked him on Thursday, but as it has been arranged that the Ministers should give evidence before the Marconi Committee, I think it would not be desirable that we should have a dis- cussion until afterwards. Therefore, with the right hon. Gentleman's permission, I will postpone my question.

National School Teachers (Ireland)

59.

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he is aware that the principal teacher in the Irish national school, Roll No. 10,499, was informed by the Commissioners of National Education, Ireland, on the 31st August, 1910, that he had been promoted to second-of-first grade from 1st April, 1910, for efficient service; that this teacher had to wait until 24th December, 1911, before he received the salary attached to the higher grade which, according to Rule 105 (a), should have been paid on promotion; that the violation of this rule caused the teacher to lose £7 9s. 2d.; that the satisfactory service given from 1st April, 1910, to 28th October, 1910, is not counted in awarding his next triennial increment, thereby causing a further loss to this teacher during the six years ending 31st March, 1916, of £5 16s. 8d.; if this holding up of his service violates Rule 108 (b); whether the teacher was informed in December, 1911, that his first promotion notice was to be regarded as cancelled and to date from 28th October, 1910; if this cancelling of the first notice is contrary to Rule 104 (e); did this teacher qualify for promotion under Rule 104 (a); was this rule sanctioned by the Lord Lieutenant; and, if so, will he recommend that the vested rights of this teacher be respected?

The Commissioners of National Education inform me that Mr. John J. Forsythe, principal teacher of this school, qualified for promotion to the second section of the first grade from 1st April, 1910, but as there was no vacancy available at the time he did not receive the salary of that grade until the 28th October, 1910. He was not told that he was to regard the first notice of promotion as cancelled. Rule 104 (a), which was approved by the Irish Government and the Treasury, lays down the conditions of promotion, but such promotion cannot take place unless there are vacancies.

Land Purchase (Ireland)

63.

asked whether the Estates Commissioners have received a communication from over forty tenants of uneconomic holdings on the De Clifford estate, county Mayo, objecting to a sale of any portion of the property except through the Congested Districts Board; whether, in the event of a sale to the Estates Commissioners, the Commissioners will acquire the non-residential and other large farms necessary for enlargement of the uneconomic holdings; whether one tenant, paying £300 a year rent on this estate, owns a large farm on another property which he acquired under the Land Purchase Acts; and what steps the Commissioners and the Board intend taking to relieve the congestion that exists over a large portion of this estate?

The Estates Commissioners have received a petition from certain tenants in reference to this estate, which is the subject of proceedings for sale to them under the Land Purchase Acts. The owner has accepted the Commissioners' offer to purchase, and is obtaining undertakings from the tenants to purchase their holdings at the prices fixed by the Commissioners. A number of these undertakings have been signed and lodged, but some of the tenants have refused to sign them, and their holdings will be excluded from the lands to be acquired by the Commissioners. One of the tenants has purchased his holding on another property under the Land Purchase Acts. The Commissioners are negotiating for the acquisition of a large farm, and such lands as they may acquire will be utilised in the enlargement of the smaller holdings.

Foot-And-Mouth Disease

64.

asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether, having regard to the statements made by Ministers when the Diseases of Animals Act, 1878, was before this House that Ireland would be treated as part of the United Kingdom and to the contrary action of the President of the English Board of Agriculture last year, he will now ask the Irish Law Officers to report as to the validity of the action of the President of the English Board in his treatment of Irish cattle during the period when foot-and-mouth disease existed in Ireland?

There is no reason to think that the Orders could be successfully challenged on the ground of illegality. There is power to make such Orders under Section 22 of the Diseases of Animals Act, 1894.

British Army

Royal Horse Artillery (Riding Masters)

9.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether there has been a considerable reduction in the establishment of riding masters in the Royal Horse Artillery since 1905; if so, what is the extent of the reduction and the reason for it; and whether it has reduced the opportunities of promotion from the ranks?

The establishment of riding masters in the Royal Horse Artillery was reduced by two in 1907 as the instruction of recruits in riding at the depots was discontinued. A further reduction of one is being made this year owing to the withdrawal of the Royal Horse Artillery from South Africa. To the extent above stated opportunities of promotion from the ranks have been reduced.

Board Of Education (Clerks' Overtime)

53.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether, in view of the fact that it is not the practice in the Local Government Board, the Savings Bank Department, the Board of Trade, the Home Office, the Customs House, and the War Office for clerks engaged upon overtime to be required to forego the usual Saturday half-holiday or to sacrifice the pay for the first three hours of any overtime they may work, he will take steps to bring his Department into line with the others?

My right hon. Friend is in communication with the Treasury on the subject.

Church And Council Schools (Wales)

54.

asked what are the average attendances at the Church and council schools at Llansanna and Llanhary, respectively; what is the staff existing or advertised for at each school; and what salary is each member of the staff receiving?

Owing to the holidays it has not been possible to obtain the information asked for by the hon. Member, but inquiry will be made as soon as the schools are reopened after the Easter holidays. Perhaps the hon. Member will put down his question again in a few days.

55.

asked whether on 6th December the Board addressed a letter to the Glamorgan Local Education Authority conveying the determination under Section 7 (3) of the Education Act of 1902 that the requirements made by the local education authority in the case of the Llansannor Church school in April, 1912, upon the managers were not such as might reasonably be made; that they further stated that, in these circumstances, the local education authority were still under the obligation to maintain the Church school if the managers reopened it; and that the Law Officers advised that, if the local education authority failed to perform their duty of maintenance, and if the school managers had for the purpose of maintenance incurred expenses for which provision should have been made by the local education authority, the Board might exercise their powers under the Default Act of 1904; whether the Board on 6th December required the authority without delay to make the necessary arrangements with a view to reopening the school; whether, nevertheless, the local education authority has so far failed to recognise its liability to maintain the school and have not sent any school material or paid any salaries, the charge for which has had to be borne by the managers; and how long the Glamorgan Local Education Authority is to be permitted to treat this small village school in this way?

The Board were informed on the 12th March that the authority had agreed to the appointment of a certificated teacher, and had ordered a supply of school material for the school referred to. The managers were informed by the Board of the authority's action on the 14th March and advised to submit to the local authority any claim in respect of the maintenance of the school. The school will be inspected after its reopening at the end of the Easter holidays, and the Board will, of course, satisfy themselves that it is adequately staffed and equipped.

Will the hon. Gentleman say whether or not any of the arrears have been paid to the school?