House Of Commons
Monday, 31st March, 1913.
The House met at a Quarter before Three of the clock.
The Clerk at the Table (Sir Courtenay P. Ilbert) informed the House of the unavoidable absence of Mr. SPEAKER from this day's sitting:
Whereupon Mr. WHITLEY, the Chairman of Ways and Means, proceeded to the Table, and, after Prayers, took the Chair as Deputy-Speaker, pursuant to the Standing Order.
Private Business
Private Bills (Petition for additional Provision) (Standing Orders not complied with),—Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, that, in the case of the Petition for additional Provision in the following Bill, the Standing Orders have not been complied with, namely:—
London County Council (General Powers) Bill.
Ordered, that the Report be referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders.
Private Bills [ Lords] (Petition for additional Provision) (Standing Orders not complied with),—Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, that, in the case of the Petition for additional Provision in the following Bill, originating in the Lords, the Standing Orders have not been complied with, namely:—
London and South Western Railway Bill [Lords].
Ordered, that the Report be referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders.
City of London (Celluloid Regulations) Bill,
London County Council (General Powers) Bill,
To be read a second time To-morrow.
Northern Junction Railway Bill (by Order),
Second Reading deferred till Friday.
Metropolitan Electric Tramways (Railless Traction) Bill (by Order),
Second Reading deferred till To-morrow.
Mid Kent and East Kent District Water Bill (by Order),
Read a second time, and referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills.
Bishop's Waltham Water Bill (by Order),
Second Reading deferred till Wednesday.
Fishguard and Rosslare Railways and Harbours Bill (by Order),
Great Western Railway Bill (by Order),
Second Reading deferred till To-morrow.
University Education In London (Royal Commission)
Copy presented of Final Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into and report on University Education in London. Report, Minutes of Evidence (February, 1912 to December, 1912), with Appendices, and Index [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Explosions (Cadeby Main Colliery)
Copy presented of Report to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, by R. A. S. Redmayne, C.B., His Majesty's Chief Inspector of Mines, on the causes of and circumstances attending the Explosions which occurred at the Cadeby Main Colliery on 9th July, 1912 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Shops Act, 1912
Copy presented of Order made by the Council of the borough of Keighley under the Act, and confirmed by the Secretary of State for the Home Department [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
Copies presented of Orders made by the Secretary for Scotland, under the Act affecting Shops in the burghs of Tain, Cromarty, and Selkirk [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
National Insurance Act
Copy presented of Order, dated 20th March, 1913, made by the Insurance Commissioners, entitled the National Health Insurance (Payments to Insurance Committees) Order (No. 3), 1913 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Copy presented of Regulations, dated 28th March, 1913, made by the Insurance Commissioners, entitled the National Health Insurance (Transfer from Voluntary to Employed Rate) Regulations, 1913 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 39.]
Copy presented of Regulations, dated 19th March, 1913, made by the National Health Insurance Joint Committee and the Insurance Commissioners, acting jointly, entitled the National Health Insurance (Collection of Contributions (Exempt Persons) Regulations (England), 1913 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 40.]
Court Of Probate Division (High Court Of Justice) (Ireland)
Annual Account presented of Receipts and Disbursements for the year 1912 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
Government Insurances And Annuities
Account presented of all Moneys received and of the disposal thereof, and of all Contracts for the grant of Deferred Life Annuities and for Payments on Death made during the year 1912 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 41.]
Colonial Reports (Annual)
Copy presented of Report, No. 753 (Gilbert and Ellice Islands Protectorate, Annual Report for 1911) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Government Departments (Ireland)
Return presented relative thereto [ordered 21st October, 1912; Mr. MacVeagh]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 42.]
University Of Aberdeen
Copy presented of Annual Statistical Report by the University Court of the University of Aberdeen for 1911–12 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 43].
Copy presented of Abstract of Accounts of the University of Aberdeen for the year ending 30th September, 1912 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 44.]
Board Of Agriculture And Fisheries (Advisory Committee On Forestry)
Copies presented of Reports of the Committee appointed by the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries to advise on matters relating to the Development of Forestry, July to October, 1912 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
East India (Legislative Councils)
Copy presented of Revised Regulations, etc., for giving effect to The Indian Councils Act, 1909 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Post Office (Foreign And Colonial Parcel Post)
Copy presented of the Foreign and Colonial Parcel Post Amendment (No. 55) Warrant, 1913. Dated 13th March, 1913 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
International Wheat Prices
Return presented relative thereto [ordered 27th March; Mr. Dundas White]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 45.]
House Of Commons (Kitchen And Refreshment Rooms)
Colonel Lockwood reported from the Select Committee on the House of Commons (Kitchen and Refreshment Rooms); That, as they were unable to complete the consideration of the matters to them referred in the last Session, they presented no Report. They have now completed the consideration of those matters and direct him to make a Report thereof to the House.
Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 46.]
Oral Answers To Questions
Balkan League
1.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether it is proposed by the Great Powers to establish guarantees for racial and religious freedom in all the country conquered by the Balkan League or only in the Albanian or semi-Albanian areas occupied by Servia and Montenegro?
My right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, dealt in his speech here on the 25th instant with the question of guarantees for the protection of Albanian, Mussulman and Catholic minorities in the territory ceded to Servia and Montenegro in the North-West of the Balkan Peninsula. I cannot say anything about action of the Great Powers in other portions of the Balkan Peninsula.
Will the hon. Gentleman suggest to his right hon. Friend the desirability of inquiring whether those guarantees are not equally needed elsewhere?
I will convey that suggestion to my right hon. Friend.
Scutari (Consulate-General)
2.
asked whether, in view of the probable prevalence of disturbed conditions in Albania and the adjacent regions in the immediate future, he will consider the advisability of at once establishing a Consulate-General at Scutari and Vice-Consulates at Elbasan and Prisrend?
The question of Consular appointments in Albania will be decided when the war is over and conditions are settled; the places named by the hon. Member will then be considered, but I cannot yet say when appointments will be made.
Will the hon. Gentleman bear in mind the fact that the Vice-Consulates at Elbasan and Prisrend have such large districts to report upon that it is impossible for them to get accurate information?
Yes, I will bear that in mind.
China (Reorganisation Loan)
3.
asked whether, in case the Chinese National Parliament fails in April to ratify the sextuple or quintuple loan, British financiers will resume their freedom of negotiation with the Chinese Government?
I must refer the hon. Member to the last part of the reply which was given on the 27th instant to the hon. Member for the Attercliffe Division of Sheffield. I can add nothing at present to that statement.
4.
asked what is the exact nature of the hitch in the conclusion of the sextuple loan to China, and whether it is connected with financial or political considerations?
The position is that the Chinese Government have still before them the proposals of the six Powers for a reorganisation loan, and I understand that they are anxious to consult the Chinese National Assembly, which meets next week, before coming to a decision.
5.
asked whether, in the case of a loan being made, with the approval of the Foreign Office, by people in this country to China, and the Government of China subsequently repudiating or disregarding their responsibilities and obligations in respect of such loan, he would be prepared to advise His Majesty's Government to intervene and to take the necessary steps to force China to respect her obligations?
It would be premature to anticipate default on a loan which has not yet been concluded, and I cannot undertake to formulate a policy for hypothetical eventualities.
7.
asked what is the precise nature of the conditions approved of by the Powers to which China has objected, thus giving rise to the present deadlock?
The conditions which the Chinese Government feel unable to accept without, as I understand, previous consultation with the National Assembly are those which concern the appointment of foreign advisers, and on this point the difference of opinion has been not whether threre should be any foreign advisers, but whether the particular scheme approved by the five Powers and originally by the United States Government also should be accepted in preference to another scheme of the Chinese Government.
8.
asked whether any of the opportunities during the Session for discussing foreign affairs will be reached before the conclusion of the proposed Chinese loan; and, if not, will he, by giving special facilities, avoid placing the House in the position of discussing an already agreed policy when there is no chance of its revision?
The Chinese loan will not be concluded till the Chinese Government have come to a definite decision. I cannot say when this will be. There has already been one, if not more, opportunities this Session when the question might have been raised and there will be others. As the loan will not in any case entail any pecuniary liability I do not see that there is any occasion to interrupt the work of the Session in order to discuss it. The loan itself does not depend upon the consent of the House nor does it depend necessarily upon His Majesty's Government. The general policy of the Government towards Chinese loans can be reviewed by the House and controlled like every other policy of the Government, but it has been known and stated for months past.
9.
asked whether the right hon. Gentleman's attention has been called to the fact that Messrs. Morgan, on behalf of the American group, have issued a statement that that group has definitely withdrawn from the loan negotiations; whether, in view of the Foreign Office statement that this is not possible until a specific period has elapsed, he will inform the House when such period will have elapsed; and whether he will meanwhile furnish specific particulars of the agreement between the bankers concerned?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The American group, though free to abstain from further action, is not free to make or participate in any other loan till a certain period has elapsed. With regard to the last part of the question, though I was prepared to make the general statement which was made to the hon. Member for Nottingham on the 27th instant, as to the relations of the groups to one another, I should not feel justified, in view of the confidential nature of the agreements, in giving any details.
Putumayo (Rubber District)
6.
asked whether he has any information showing that the Peruvian Government have, since the publication of Sir Roger Casement's Report, contemplated giving to Señor Arana a definite title to the Putumayo concession; and, if so, will he cause immediate inquiries to be made at Lima on the subject?
The answer is in the negative.
Which part of my question is in the negative, whether he has any information or whether he will cause immediate inquiries to be made?
The question was as to whether my right hon. Friend has any information and the answer to that question is in the negative.
Has the hon. Gentleman seen the statement made by Señor Arana in the Chancery Court some time ago?
Yes. I assume the information referred to would be information upon which he could rely.
If you have not had any information, will the hon. Gentleman make inquiries?
Certainly we will.
Tobacco Growing (Great Britain)
10.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture if he can state in what parts of Great Britain tobacco is now being grown, either by way of experiment or with a view to commercial profit; and whether, and to what extent, Grants out of the Development Fund have been made or promised for the former purpose?
The several districts in Great Britain in which areas have been approved for the cultivation of tobacco are as follows: Norfolk, Suffolk, Kent, Hampshire, Surrey, Worcester, Warwick, Gloucestershire, Carnarvonshire, Kirkcudbrightshire. A report by the Development Commission relative to a Grant for an experimental scheme of commercial tobacco-growing is now before the Treasury.
Can the hon. Member say whether tobacco is being successfully grown in all those counties of a kind fit to smoke?
I have no knowledge of that. That is one of the questions upon which the Development Commissioners may come to a decision upon and act.
Can some samples be made available for hon. Members?
I think my hon. Friend should apply to the growers.
Can the hon. Member say how many acres are under cultivation at the present time?
I shall be glad to give that information if the hon. Member will put a question down.
Rural Credit Societies
11.
asked how much money has been advanced to the rural credit societies by the joint stock banks since the publication of the list of banks willing to grant advances?
I have no information at present.
National Seed Testing Station
12.
asked if the right hon. Gentleman has recently received an influential deputation of agriculturists and traders urging the desirability of establishing a national seed-testing station; and whether he has taken, or proposes to take, any action in the matter?
I have not yet received a deputation on the subject to which the hon. Member refers. In answer to two requests recently made to me, I asked to be supplied in the first instance with a written statement of the proposals which it is desired to submit to me. When I have had an opportunity of considering these statements, I shall be in a better position to decide whether it is necessary for me to receive a deputation.
In view of the widespread adulteration of seeds, is the right hon. Gentleman sympathetic with the idea of establishing a seed-testing station?
I should like to hear what the deputation has to say before I give my reply.
Small Holdings
13.
asked whether it is the practice of the Board to make good to county councils out of the Small Holdings Account unavoidable financial loss upon individual small holdings schemes or only in the event of there being such unavoidable loss in respect of such schemes in the aggregate; and, if so, whether he will state what section of the Small Holdings and Allotments Act, 1908, authorises such practice?
The practice of the Board is to make good unavoidable loss incurred by any county council in respect of its small-holdings schemes in are aggregate. The practice is prescribed by the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury in the exercise of their duty of controlling the payments or undertakings of the Board imposed upon their Lordships by Section 6, Sub-section (4), of the Act.
Epizootic Abortion
14.
asked whether, in the opinion of his expert advisers, inoculation of cows and heifers, prior to gestation, with live bacilli or, during gestation, with dead bacilli, is an effective preventative of contagious abortion; and what steps, if any, are being taken by the Board to check the further spread of this disease, which is seriously prevalent in Cornwall, Devon, and other counties?
It necessarily takes a long time to test thoroughly the efficacy of the processes to which the hon. Member refers, and I am not in a position at present to say more than that the results of the experiments up to date are encouraging. As the hon. Member is probably aware, a suggestion by the Board that a general Order should be issued on the lines recommended by the Departmental Committee on Epizootic Abortion was not received with favour by agriculturists as a whole, and, pending the result of further scientific investigation, the Board did not consider themselves justified in forcing it upon them. In Devon, however, the proposal was accepted by the county council, and an Order has been in force for just over a year. The Board are quite prepared to apply a similar Order to any other county if evidence that it would be acceptable is forthcoming.
In view of the fact that this epizootic abortion is having very serious consequences amongst cattle in Cornwall, can the right hon. Gentleman persuade the Cornish County Council to adopt a similar method?
There have been communications with the Cornish County Council, but unless the Order is likely to be acceptable to the agriculturists in Cornwall I do not at present see my way to force it upon them.
Blue Books (Returns Of Assurance Companies)
18.
asked the total cost, including compilation, checking, printing, and distributing, of any large Blue Book that cannot be produced in time for any practical purpose, such as Returns of assurance companies, and its utility as shown by the amount realised by sale of it; whether the attention of any Committee investigating expenditure has been called to the expenditure of time and money on such a book; if so, with what result; and whether he will consider the possibility, when asking this House to order the printing of a document of such dimensions, to embody in the notice for that purpose an estimate of the probable gross cost?
If the hon. Member refers to the Return of Assurance Companies, H.C. Paper 426–1 of 1913, the cost of printing and distribution was £330 and the sale, when completed, will realise about £50. The matter would come within the terms of reference of the Select Committee on Publications and Debates Reports. The cost of compilation is a question for the Board of Trade, but I would remind the hon. Member that these Returns are presented under Act of Parliament.
If they are presented under an Act of Parliament, how is that they are described on the cover as "Printed by order of the House of Commons"?
There is no doubt, if the Return specified in the hon. Member's question is the same as that to which the answer refers, that it is presented under an Act of Parliament, and must be presented unless that Act is repealed.
Official Publications
19.
asked by whose authority the statement appears in the note on page 2 of the monthly (February) list of Official Publications, issued by His Majesty's Stationery Office, that these publications are not available for presentation to free libraries; the reasons for this decision; and what would be the additional cost to the Treasury if such free presentation were authorised?
The works hitherto available for presentation to free libraries are those known as Parliamentary Publications, Official Publications being excluded. But the distinction between these classes of works is entirely artificial, and instructions have been given that in future Grants may be made from either class of Papers, provided of course that the present Vote of £250 be not exceeded.
Customs And Excise (Port Of London)
21.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury the number of watchers now serving in His Majesty's Customs and Excise, Port of London, who have not received any increase in their weekly rate of wages since 1900, excluding the recently granted good conduct allowances which are not given as an increase in the weekly rate of wages; the reason why an increase in wages has so long been denied to these watchers; and whether, in face of the official figures recently issued by the Comptroller of the Labour Department, Board of Trade, stating that the purchasing power of the sovereign has decreased from 18s. 5d. in 7900 to 16s. 3d. in 1912, he will now consider the granting of an increased rate of wages to these government employés?
The number is thirty-four. In addition, however, to the good conduct allowances, the position of these men has been improved since 1900 by the reduction from fifty-four hours to forty-eight of the weekly attendance required before they can receive overtime pay, and by the grant of a time allowance for night duty under which six hours of such duty count as seven. The good conduct allowances are only withheld from men of unsatisfactory service, and I do not understand why the hon. Member does not regard them as an increase of pay.
Board Of Education (Permanent Staff)
24.
asked the President of the Board of Education for particulars of the yearly increase in the permanent staff of the Board for the years 1905–10, inclusive, distinguishing between the patronage appointed higher staff and the clerical staff?
The following table shows the numbers of the permanent higher staff and the clerical staff of the Board of Education for the years 1905 to 1910, inclusive:—
Year. | Higher staff. | Clerical staff. | |||
Number of posts. | Increase. | Number of posts. | Increase. | ||
1905 | … | 469 | — | 525 | — |
1906 | … | 463 | — | 527 | 2 |
1907 | … | 466 | 3 | 604 | 77 |
1908 | … | 466 | — | 613 | 9 |
1909 | … | 456 | — | 639 | 26 |
1910 | … | 454 | — | 695 | 56 |
School Attendance (Infants)
25.
asked the President of the Board of Education whether he has considered the Report of the consultative committee on the school attendance of children under five years of age (Cd. 4259, of 1908); and what steps have been taken by the Board to carry out the recommendations therein contained?
The Report has, of course, been carefully considered by the Board, both when it was first issued and on many subsequent occasions. The question of making better provision for the care and training of children under five years of age, for whom proper maternal care at home is not available, is engaging my close attention in connection with the legislative proposals which I hope to lay before the House this Session.
26.
asked the President of the Board of Education whether he will so alter the next issue of the Code as to give parents of children under five years of age excluded from school an appeal to the Board, as recommended by the consultative committee?
I do not think it would be desirable to take this step in advance of legislation.
School Accommodation
27.
asked the President of the Board of Education whether the official list of schools as on 12th July, 1912, published by his Department shows that in Liverpool there are forty-one school departments in Church of England schools and thirty-six school departments in Roman Catholic schools in which the average attendance is in excess of the recognised accommodation, and that over 20 per cent. of the scholars in Liverpool are in overcrowded schools; whether he has drawn the attention of the Liverpool local education authority to the need for more school places; and what steps are being taken to provide them?
The reassessment of public elementary school accommodation in Liverpool on the 10 and 9 square feet basis took effect on the 1st January, 1911, and the figures relating to accommodation are therefore the revised figures, while the figures in respect of average attendance refer to school years ending between July, 1910, and August, 1911. Considerable progress has been made in the provision of the additional accommodation made necessary by the reassessment, and for the school years ended during 1912 the average attendance exceeded the accommodation by fifteen units or more in only nine departments within the area of the authority. The Board are in communication with the local authority in respect of all these cases, and in the greater number of them the Board have already received proposals for making good the deficiency of accommodation.
Will the right hon. Gentleman say why it was not possible to foresee these events and to compel the local authority to provide in advance for an absolutely inevitable occurrence?
One of the reasons is that Liverpool has a peculiar and very effective system of arranging for their children so that overcrowding shall not take place.
Then why does overcrowding take place and still continue?
28.
asked whether the latest published figures show that in Devonport 45 per cent. of the scholars are in overcrowded schools, and that the average attendance exceeds the accommodation, especially in all departments of St. James's Church of England School, St. Joseph's Roman Catholic School, and St. Stephen's Church of England School; whether these schools have been warned; and whether any steps have been taken to provide sufficient accommodation in the borough?
The hon. Member's figures appear to be taken from reports referring to school years which ended in November, 1910, and January, 1911. A new council school was opened in March, 1912, and the overcrowding throughout the area has been greatly reduced. The average attendance, however, still exceeds the available accommodation in some of the schools, but in reply to recent letters on the subject from the Board of Education the local authority have undertaken to press forward the erection of a new council school and the reconstruction of another. During the last school year in two of the three schools mentioned in the question the overcrowding was very slight, and in the third the average attendance did not exceed the recognised accommodation.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the figures I quote are always the latest that are available?
Yes, and I give the hon. Gentleman as late information as I can subsequent to those figures.
May I ask whether, in such cases the Department pressed the local body regardless of the rates that prevail and the pockets of the ratepayers?
We endeavour to see that the law is carried out with regard to proper accommodation being found for children.
Regardless of any other consideration?
Royal Navy
Scouts
29.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether, in August and September, 1912, eight scouts, employed as flotilla cruisers, were paid off ostensibly to be fitted with a heavier armament; whether this work could have been completed in at most two weeks, but is still, after six months, not completed; and whether the paying-off of these vessels formed an excuse for utilising their crews to man vessels which had just been completed?
All possible speed has been used in rearming and retubing the Scouts. It is not understood how the hon. Gentleman could have been led to suppose that seventy-two 4-in. guns could be manufactured in a fortnight.
Accountant Branch
30.
asked whether the accountant branch of the Navy is so short-handed in the higher ranks of both officers and men that neither assistant-paymasters nor senior writers have in several cases been able to obtain either foreign service or Christmas leave; and whether assistant-paymasters and clerks have during the last six months applied to leave the service in greater numbers than in any previous period?
In reply to the first part of the question, there is at present a temporary shortage in the numbers of assistant-paymasters and clerks available to meet requirements, which has resulted in the curtailment of foreign service leave in several cases; but I am not aware that this has led to the stoppage of Christmas leave, which is granted without reference to the Admiralty. There is no shortage of senior writers, but in exceptional cases leave may have had to be curtailed. This is a matter which would be regulated locally. The answer to the second part of the question is in the negative.
Will the right hon. Gentleman kindly get more assistant-paymasters and senior writers in order to snake up for that shortage?
Papal Legate
32.
asked if one of His Majesty's ships is on her way to Syracuse to take the Papal legate to Malta; and if this act of courtesy is strictly in accordance with precedent?
Permission has been given for His Majesty's ship "Hussar," the Commander-in-Chief's yacht, to convey the Papal legate from Syracuse to Malta on or about 21st April. Similar facilities were given in 1905.
May I ask if the same courtesy is extended to the heads of other religions?
This is according to precedent; and the precedent has not been established without full review of all the special circumstances of the case.
Telegraphic Facilities (Dublin)
33.
asked the Postmaster-General whether his attention has been drawn to the necessity for improving the telegraphic facilities for the locality of Rutland Square, Dublin; whether he is aware that the nearest telegraphic office is one-third of a mile away; that a postal and money office exists at Granby Row, a few yards from Rutland Square; and, seeing that representative opinion has been expressed to him by numerous public bodies and private residents in the neighbourhood in favour of the opening of a telegraph office at Granby Row, whether he will meet the public convenience by extending telegraphic facilities to the Granby Row post office?
I have been making inquiries concerning the provision of telegraph facilities at the Granby Row Post Office, Dublin, and I will acquaint the hon. Member with the result as soon as possible.
Telephone Service
34.
asked the Postmaster-General whether telephones cannot now be erected, under the scheme as brought out by himself for rural telephones by party-lines, on account of the funds being exhausted; and if this fund will be renewed and how many rural party-lines have been erected?
The amount already authorised by the Treasury for the experimental provision of rural party-line telephones has been expended or allocated to lines under construction, but I have requested and hope shortly to receive authority for further expenditure which will meet all public requirements until the scheme can be put on a settled basis after adequate experience of its working. About 900 subscribers are being served by lines of this class or are about to be served by lines now being constructed, and the proposals now under consideration will provide for about 500 more subscribers.
Can the hon. Gentleman tell us how many have absolutely been completed and how many new schemes have been refused?
I can only state that about 900 subscribers are either served or are about to be served by the lines under construction, and that about 500 more are about to be provided for.
35.
asked what steps the Postmaster-General is taking to extend the telephone system to districts where it is not yet available; and whether it is the policy of the Post Office to refuse facilities unless sufficient local support is forthcoming to make the extension profitable to the Department?
Telephone district managers are responsible for inquiring and reporting as to the provision of telephone facilities at places not already served. Fifty-one new exchanges were opened in the year 1912. Extensions are made even if they are not remunerative at the outset, provided that they are not likely to involve a loss to the taxpayer for any considerable period.
Is not that the same argument as was put forward by the National Telephone Company? Would the difficulties be remedied by the nationalisation of the telephones?
I do not think we are following a very different policy to that followed by the National Telephone Company.
36.
asked the Postmaster-General whether, in view of his refusal to lay the Report of the late chief engineer of the Post Office on the Continental system of telephony before Parliament, he will inform the House whether that authority reported on the automatic systems installed in Germany and elsewhere; and whether and in respect of which systems examined by him his Report was favourable?
The Reports in question so far as received contain only a few general observations on some of the automatic and semi-automatic exchanges installed by Messrs. Siemens and Halske on a system based on the American "Strowger" system. A favourable view is expressed of the mechanical and electrical efficiency of the apparatus. The present engineer-in-chief and other officers of the Post Office have visited a number of automatic exchanges in Holland and Germany which are all constructed on the system mentioned above, and have obtained detailed information as to their working.
Do I understand that the Government are making experiments with other systems as well as those recommended by the authorities?
No. We are making full inquiries in connection with all systems.
38.
asked the Postmaster-General whether he is fully maintaining all the provisions made by the late National Telephone Company for bringing to the notice of the public the advantages of telephonic communication?
I am fully maintaining the contract staffs of the various districts by whom this work was done under the National Telephone Company.
Is the Postmaster-General maintaining a staff of canvassers to bring the telephones to the notice of the public in the same way as the National Telephone Company did?
No, Sir. As a matter of fact canvassing has been temporarily discontinued in localities where, for the time being, we have a shortage of plant.
39.
asked how many people have applied for connections at the special rate for farmers lines, how many of these have signed orders, and how many have actually been connected with the system; and whether the developments of this system has been retarded by Treasury restrictions?
It is not practicable to say precisely how many people have applied for rural party lines. About 900 agreements have been accepted, and by the end of last month about 450 subscribers were using the service. Proposals under consideration will provide for approximately 500 more subscribers. Some delay has arisen recently in dealing with applications for such lines owing to the necessity for applying to the Treasury for authority to exceed the experimental Grant of £10,000. I am in communication with the Treasury on the subject.
Can the hon. Gentleman state in what counties the party line system is in or will shortly be in operation?
I must ask for notice. But it is in operation in a number of counties.
40.
asked what amount was estimated to be spent in telephone construction from March, 1912, to March, 1913; how much of this has already been expended; whether the balance will be sufficient to fully reach all requirements; and, if not, whether a Supplementary Estimate will be asked for?
It was estimated that £2,700,000 would be spent out of telephone capital on telephone construction during the year ending the 31st March, 1913. The amount actually spent cannot at present be stated, but it is clear that a considerable sum remains unexpended, mainly on account of the difficulty of obtaining an adequate number of skilled men to carry out the work. As the money required for this purpose is not provided by a Parliamentary Vote but by loan authorised under the Telegraph Acts, no question of a Supplementary Estimate could in any case arise. The expenditure in the year 1913–14 will be considerably greater than during the financial year, which ends to-day.
Mail-Car Service, County Mayo
37.
asked the Postmaster-General why the mail-car service between Ballina and Belmullet, county Mayo, which for upwards of sixty years has provided the only public facility for the conveyance of passengers over the forty miles covered by the service, is about to be withdrawn and a van service for the conveyance of mails only proposed to be substituted, thus completely isolating this large area, with its poor and scattered population; if he will state what steps Lave been taken by the Post Office to obtain from some other of the Irish Departments a subsidy or indemnity, and with what result; and will he now undertake to continue for a time the existing service, with a view to having arrangements made to keep up a service for the traffic of passengers between Ballina and Belmullet?
The present situation arises, first, from the diminution in the receipts earned in respect of passengers by the vehicles which convey the mails, with the result that the previous arrangement could not be continued without a very large increase in the subsidy paid; and, secondly, from the refusal of the Congested Districts Board and the Board of Agriculture to subsidise the conveyance of passengers. In these circumstances the Post Office, which has no funds at its disposal for the provision of passenger facilities, has had no option but to provide a service for the conveyance of mails only.
In consequence of the unsatisfactory nature of the reply I shall raise this question on the Adjournment.
Shipping Rates (Arran Isles)
42.
asked the Vice-President of the Department of Agriculture (Ireland) whether his attention has been directed to the fact that a quantity of potatoes are ready for export from Arran Isles at the present moment, but the shipment freight is so high as to prevent the possibility of marketing them in Galway or Liverpool except at ruinous prices; and whether he will communicate with the different shipping companies concerned with a view of striking a rate which will enable those island fishermen to dispose of their surplus stock?
The Department's attention had not previously been drawn to this matter. Their inspector reports that although the bulk of the potatoes grown in the Arran Islands is employed for home use small quantities may be shipped at this season to the mainland for seed purposes. The consignments, however, are usually so small that it would be difficult to get a special rate for them.
Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to see if any assistance can be given to these people?
The Arran Isles are under the Congested Districts Board's jurisdiction, and application should be made to that body.
But is not this a matter of sufficient importance to engage the attention of the right hon. Gentleman?
It is an arrangement made by Parliament that certain parts of Ireland should be transferred to the jurisdiction of the Congested Districts Board, but I shall be very glad to do anything I can.
Holloway Gaol
43.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is aware that in connection with Holloway Gaol there is a minister of religion, appointed by the Islington Free Church Council to visit Nonconformist prisoners of all Free Church denominations except Wesleyan Methodists, and who has in three years dealt with 365 cases and has had as many as forty cases on hand at one time, and has never received any remuneration from the Government for his services; is he aware that in connection with the same gaol there are two clergymen, one of whom is provided with a house and a salary of between £300 and £400 a year, the other receives £200 a year, and a Roman Catholic priest who receives £100 a year; and, if so, whether he proposes to take any action in the matter?
The daily average number of Nonconformist prisoners, other than Wesleyans, in Holloway is in ordinary times about six, but last year, owing to the presence of suffragist prisoners, the average increased to twelve. The other clergy alluded to in the question have the spiritual care of far larger congregations; but if any application for payment is made by the Free Church Council or by the minister it shall be carefully considered.
Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the desirability of extending further this equitable system of concurrent endowment?
I have nothing to add to the answer I have given.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware there are certain people going about saying that no State Church clergyman is paid by the State?
Order, order.
Irish Railways (Farm Produce)
51.
asked the right hon. Gentleman whether the Irish railway companies are prepared to accept a distinguishing mark and the name and station of destination on packages of butter and eggs in lieu of the proposed full name and address of the consignee, as the British railway companies have already expressed their willingness to do; and, if not, whether he will immediately urge them to do so in the interest of this Irish industry?
52.
asked the right hon. Gentleman if his attention has been called to the fact that chambers of commerce in Ireland have protested against the new Regulations of British and Irish railway companies requiring that all goods consigned by rail, with certain exceptions, shall in future be fully addressed; if the Irish railway companies are prepared to accept a distinguishing mark and the name of the station of destination as sufficient; if these regulations apply to foreign imports as well as to home produce; and if he will take action to induce the railway companies to withdraw these Regulations, which are opposed to the interests of Irish traders and exporters?
I have communicated with the Irish Railway Clearing House on the points raised, and will inform the hon. Members of the result in due course.
Will the right hon. Gentleman give a promise to use his influence to get the railway companies to reconsider the question, and is he aware that the Regulations, which I understand will come into force to-morrow, will enable the railway companies to greatly increase the charges on Irish produce and compel shippers to give the names of their customers to their competitors?
I must wait until I hear from the railway companies before I reply to that question.
Will the right hon. Gentleman, pending the decision of the railway companies, withhold the right of the railway companies to insist upon these Regulations being carried out?
I have no such power as that.
54.
asked the right hon Gentleman whether the shippers of Irish produce have the strongest objection to placing the name of the station or the destination on the address cards of packages, as it would expose their trade almost the same as if the address were put in full; and whether, in view of this fact, he will urge that the new rules laid down by the British and Irish railway companies be so altered as to leave unaffected the custom in regard to this matter which has existed for the last forty years?
As I have already stated, I am in communication with the Irish Railway Clearing House on the subject. I presume that the traders affected have made representations to the companies on their own behalf.
Will the right hon. Gentleman press the railway companies to withhold or delay enforcing these regulations for, say, a month or two, to give the public an opportunity of expressing their opinion upon the matter?
I will consider that. I am afraid I have no power to do so. I may make representations. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will communicate with me?
Passenger Vessels (Boat Accommodation)
53.
asked the right hon. Gentleman what provision has now been made for ensuring the safety of passengers in the event of another "Titanic" disaster; if it is possible to provide boat accommodation for all passengers and officers and crew, with a reasonable prospect that such boats can be lowered into the water; and, if not, if he will consider the desirability of prohibiting the cumbering of the deck with large lounge chairs, and provide suitable seats which could be formed at short notice into commodious rafts?
The new rules for lifesaving appliances, which are now in operation, require all foreign-going passenger steamers to carry boats sufficient to accommodate the total number of persons on board, and they also require efficient means to be provided for lowering all the boats into the water.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in many cases, even if sufficient boats are carried, it is absolutely impossible to lower them, and will he not do away with this stupid system of covering the decks with boats?
Under the new rules they will have to see that the boats can be properly and efficiently lowered.
Caledonian Railway Company (Carriage Of Potatoes)
55.
asked the right hon. Gentleman whether potato merchants in the counties of Perth, Fife, and Forfar have a grievance against the Caledonian Railway Company in the matter of the shortage of waggons for the conveyance of potatoes; whether he is aware that, unless a reasonable supply of waggons is furnished without delay, such merchants will suffer considerable financial loss within the next few weeks; and whether the recent representations made to the company have produced any effect?
My attention has been called to this matter, and I have communicated with the railway company, but have not yet received a definite reply. I will inform my hon. Friend as soon as I do so.
How long ago is it since this communication was sent?
I could not say without notice.
Will the right hon. Gentleman urge the railway company to make an immediate reply, as it is a question of very great importance to those concerned?
I will remind them of it.
West Indies (Tropical Agriculture)
57.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he is aware of the desire expressed in the West Indies for the establishment of a university of tropical agriculture for the purpose of teaching and research; and if he will give the proposal his most favourable consideration?
I am aware that the question of providing facilities for training and for research work in tropical agriculture is attracting attention in the West Indies and elsewhere, and I need hardly state that any practical scheme that may secure adequate support will be assured of my sympathetic consideration. I do not, however, think that anything in the nature of a university would come within the scope of that description.
Official Newspaper
58.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether certain foreign countries and great municipalities abroad issue either daily or weekly a newspaper which contains all official announcements and advertisements for all posts under Government or municipalities, and items of news of a reliable and unsensational nature, and that such newspapers produce profits, being sought alike by public servants and the public for reliable intelligence; and whether, with the object of obtaining such benefits for our country and of gaining a new source of revenue, he will consider the possibility of establishing an official journal of this nature in Great Britain?
The existing machinery for advertising Government posts in this country appears to be adequate, and my right hon. Friend is not prepared to take the steps suggested in the question.
Is the revenue adequate, and will the right hon. Gentleman consider whether more revenue could not be obtained in this way?
I will make further inquiries.
Undeveloped Land Duty
59.
asked the right hon. Gentleman whether he is now collecting the Undeveloped Land Duty for this year, together with three years' arrears, even in cases where the valuation is not yet completed; and, if so, whether, having regard to the fact that no one could know whether they were liable for the duty or not until a valuation had been made, he could make some arrangement to mitigate the hardship on taxpayers of having to pay four years' taxes at once owing to circumstances over which they at least could have no control?
Undeveloped Land Duty is being collected as stated in the question where provisional valuations have been served, though they have not yet become finally settled, the procedure adopted by the Commissioners of Inland Revenue being warranted by the provisions of Section 27 (6) of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910. With regard to the second part of the question, any individual case of hardship that may arise will be dealt with by the Commissioners on its merits.
Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the advisability of taking a bond from those by whom this duty is payable, instead of taking money from them, which is so difficult to recover afterwards in the event of the valuation being fixed lower?
I will certainly call the attention of my right hon. Friend to the suggestion made by the hon. and gallant Gentleman.
Territorial Force
60.
asked the right hon. Gentleman whether, in view of the difficulties in recruiting for the Territorial Army and by way of setting an example to other employers, he would be prepared to sanction full pay being given to clerks and others employed in the Civil Service while attending camps and drills without any loss of leave?
As at present advised, my right hon. Friend is not prepared to increase the existing facilities, which are now of several years' standing, and are, in his opinion, sufficiently liberal.
Does the right hon. Gentleman consider it reasonable that persons in the public service should suffer pecuniarily because they join the Territorials?
The hon. and learned Member must not forget that they are allowed full pay for one week.
For one week only, even if they go to camp for fifteen days.
When the right hon. Gentleman says the terms are sufficiently liberal, does he judge by results?
Oh, yes, Sir.
Will the right hon. Gentleman give full pay for two weeks?
I will represent to my right hon. Friend the views put forward by the hon. and gallant Gentleman.
Legacy Duty (Gifts To Hospitals)
63.
asked the right hon. Gentleman what are the figures on which he bases his statement that the Legacy Duty paid on gifts to voluntary hospitals has averaged, approximately, £100,600 during the years 1907 to 1910; on what grounds he defends the admitted differentiation in favour of Irish hospitals; and whether he has made any calculation of the extra financial burdens already falling, or likely to fall, on the voluntary hospitals of Great Britain through the National Insurance Act?
The approximate estimate of £100,000 for Legacy Duty paid on gifts to hospitals and kindred institutions is based upon the opinion of my right hon. Friend's expert advisers, and is supported by the statistics of legacies published annually in "Burdett's Hospitals and Charities." The exemption of Irish hospitals dates from 1807 when Parliament in the Irish Stamp Act of that year conferred an exemption from Legacy Duty upon legacies by the wills of Irish testators in favour of Irish charities. The exemption has been confirmed by Parliament on several occasions since although it may be that if the matter were now being considered for the first time the exemption would not be granted. The answer to the last part of the question is in the negative.
Divorce (Royal Commission)
50.
asked the Prime Minister if he will say what steps he proposes to take to carry out the recommendations of the Report of the Royal Commission on Divorce?
The Prime Minister has asked me to answer this question. I can only say that the important and far-reaching questions raised in the Report of the Royal Commission are under the consideration of the Government.
Would not this be a suitable Session in which a matter such as this could be discussed?
I will consider the suggestion of the hon. Member.
Does the right hon. Gentleman think that any measure embodying these recommendations is likely to be non-contentious?
No, Sir, I do not, unfortunately.
National Insurance Act
Travelling Expenses
15.
asked the Secretary to the Treasury if he can now state what provision will be made for travelling expenses of insurance committees in cases where any levy is insufficient; and if he will state if any portion of the special Grant set apart for the Highlands and Islands will be available for such purpose?
I am afraid it is impossible to give a definite answer on this subject at present.
Is my hon. Friend aware that this question has been before the Treasury for six months, and is it not quite time there was an answer?
The Scottish Insurance Commissioners are making special inquiries into this matter, and as soon as they are complete an answer will be given.
Hospital Subscriptions
16.
asked whether the right hon. Gentleman is aware that the Saturday collections for Nottingham hospital are £1,600 less than those of the previous year; that the deficiency is due to the unwillingness of subscribers to continue their subscriptions since the National Insurance Tax has been levied; and whether the Government proposes to reimburse hospitals in such cases or to in- troduce the principle of voluntary contribution under the National Insurance Act?
The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the negative. With regard to the last part, as I have previously stated, if, as the result of experience the voluntary hospitals find that they require State Grants, the whole question of State control would necessarily be raised, and at the present time this is not contemplated.
May I ask whether the Government have under consideration the giving up of the compulsory character of these contributions, the effects of which are so cruel in some cases?
That is not a question which rests with me.
How can I help addressing the question to the hon. Gentleman when the Minister concerned is not here?
My right hon. Friend is absent on account of ill-health. I am pointing out to the hon. Gentleman that his question should be addressed, not to the Financial Secretary to the Treasury, but to the Prime Minister.
Unemployment Benefit
44.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether W. Andrews, a bricklayer, has for the last six weeks been unable to obtain 10s. unemployment benefit due to him at the Holloway Labour Exchange; and will inquiries be made at once into the reason of this delay, and, meanwhile, instructions be given that Mr. W. Andrews be paid what money he may be entitled to under Part II. of the National Insurance Act?
I understand that the claim in question was the second claim made by Mr. Andrews, and that the delay in dealing with it, which I greatly regret, was due to the fact that the original claim, without which it was impossible to decide the second claim, had been mislaid. This claim has now been traced, and payment has been authorised.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that when a man claims at a Labour Exchange, and the claim is disputed, it sometimes takes three weeks or a month before the Labour Exchange gives a definite answer?
In regard to direct claims I do not think there is any such delay.
Yes, there is.
I do not know whether my hon. Friend is referring to direct claims or to claims made under Section 105 by a trade union.
When a claim goes to the Labour Exchange and it is disputed investigation takes place, and sometimes it is a month before a definite decision is given.
We are certainly doing our best to accelerate such claims. I assume that in such cases there has been an appeal to the Court of Referees.
Had the first claim anything to do with the second, and why was the man not paid in respect of the claim that was not disputed?
The matter could not be dealt with without the knowledge of the details of the other, the paper with regard to which had been mislaid.
Medical Benefit
61.
asked the right hon. Gentleman whether the scheme for medical benefit put forward by the Scottish Clerks' Association, which is similar to the proposals made by them and approved by him while the National Insurance Act was in Committee, has now been refused by the Glasgow Insurance Committee; and whether he proposes to take any action in the matter?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary to the Treasury to my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow (Bridgeton) on the 27th instant.
17.
asked whether the friendly societies operating in the Heanor, Langley Mill, Ripley, and Codnor districts decided to form a medical aid association; that ten doctors of the district thereupon issued a manifesto to the effect that they would refuse under any circumstances to attend uninsured persons in families joining such association; and whether the Government countenances such action on the part of the said doctors?
The arrangements made for the medical attendance of uninsured persons do not require the approval of the Government or the Insurance Commissioners.
Aged Members Of Friendly Societies
20.
asked whether the 2s. 6d. Capitation Grant in respect to the increased cost of medical benefit above the 6s. assumed by the actuaries when drafting the scheme under Part I. of the National Insurance Act is only to be given insured persons whose societies elect to provide medical treatment as one of the benefits; and whether, in view of the fact that there are a number of aged members of friendly societies who, by reason of ill-health, cannot become insured persons but who are included in Section 15 (2) (e) of the Act and are now without medical benefit owing to the increased cost; and, having regard to the hardship thus inflicted, will steps be taken to grant the 2s. 6d. in the case of these persons conditional upon their societies making provision for their adequate medical treatment?
I am afraid I can add nothing to the answers already given to similar questions by my right hon. Friend the Secretary to the Treasury. The money voted by Parliament for a Grant of 2s. 6d. per head in respect of insured persons is not available in respect of uninsured persons.
Will the hon. Gentleman remind his right hon. Friend that these persons are aged members of friendly societies, that the total cost the first year would be £16,000, and that at the end of the fifth year the liability would fade away?
I am aware of those facts, but the difference is between insured and uninsured persons. These persons are not compulsorily insured.
Will the hon. Gentleman take some steps to carry out the intention of the House of Commons at the time of the passing of the Act that the uninsured old and incapable members of friendly societies shall receive equally good treatment as those who come in compulsorily?
I will draw my right hon. Friend's attention to the remark of the hon. Member.
Will the hon. Gentleman try and induce his right hon. Friend to do something in the matter, or else give the House of Commons an opportunity of discussing it?
I will, as I have said, draw my right hon. Friend's attention to the matter.
Petrol Tax
65.
asked to what extent has the yield of the Petrol Tax been affected by the increasing use of paraffin for motor purposes; and whether paraffin is held to come within the definition of motor spirit in 10 Edward VII., c. 8?
The use of paraffin as motor fuel has not appreciably affected the yield of the tax on motor spirit. It is still, I believe, in a somewhat experimental stage, but the possibility of its further development has not been lost sight of. It could be taxed under the definition referred to if it should come into general use, on its capacity being established for providing reasonably efficient motive power.
Is it contemplated to impose any tax on paraffin?
It will depend how far it becomes used as a means of generating motive power.
Land Valuation
66.
asked whether, in arriving at site value on the transfer or sale of a composite property, it is the custom of the Inland Revenue authorities to include with the value attributable to the buildings any profit to which they may consider the transferor or seller to be entitled and to levy Increment Duty on any excess sum then shown as compared with the site value as on 30th April, 1909; and, if so, whether any instructions have been issued to valuers defining the normal percentage of profit on a transaction which may be allowed to a seller as a deduction?
It is the duty of the valuers to ascertain the market value of the property by the ordinary processes of valuation, and the addition of a fixed percentage of profit for the seller forms no part of those processes.
Has the right hon. Gentleman had an opportunity of studying the letter which was sent by the secretary of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to a Somersetshire builder, which stated that the custom of the Inland Revenue authorities was as suggested in my question?
I will call the attention of my right hon. Friend to the contradiction.
68.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the fact that Increment Duty is being claimed on the excess of any sum obtained on the sale of a composite property above its market value, it is his intention to repeal the Clause of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910, which enacts that Increment Duty shall only be charged on an increase in the site value of the hereditament?
The practice of the Commissioners of Inland Revenue, as described in the hon. Member's question, is not, having regard to the definition in Section 2 (2), inconsistent with the Section to which he refers, and my right hon. Friend sees no reason to repeal the Section.
Is there any intention of fresh legislation on this subject?
I could not express an opinion on that.
Payment Of Dividends (Deduction Of Income Tax)
67.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the circular to banks with regard to Income Tax is yet ready; and when it will be laid upon the Table of the House?
I would refer the hon. and learned Member to the reply which has already been given this afternoon upon this subject by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister. This answer was prepared before it was known that the Prime Minister would be absent.
Can, the right hon. Gentleman give me the answer?
I am afraid I am not in a position, in the absence both of the Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to give the answer.
Does the right hon. Gentleman think the circular will be issued immediately?
I am afraid I am not in a position to state anything more.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Chancellor of the Exchequer undertook to lay it on the Table of the House before it was issued and before 5th April?
Yes, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has still a long time ahead of him.
Aviation (India)
69.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether any Army aviation classes have been formed in India?
The answer is in the negative.
Has the Secretary of State the matter under consideration and, in view of the fact that the greater part of the British Army is in India, does he not think it a serious omission?
The Government of India has the matter under consideration.
Labourers Acts (Ireland)
71.
asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if he will state the total amount of the loans under the Labourers (Ireland) Acts now outstanding, the total interest and sinking fund, respectively, being paid at the present time by rural district councils on that sum, and the average annual local expenditure on repair, equipment, and upkeep of the labourers' cottages and administration of the Acts in the last five years, so far as known in the offices of the Irish Local Government Board?
There is no complete information available as regards the loans outstanding, and it could only be obtained, if at all, by communicating with every clerk of a rural district council in Ireland. The average annual cost of repairs to labourers' cottages for the five years ending 31st March, 1912, is £14,609, while the average annual cost of insurance, rent collection, and legal proceedings for the same period is about £8,485. There are further expenses in connection with the administration of the Labourers Acts, such as salaries and other charges, which would be impossible to estimate, as that work forms only a part of the duties of the rural district councils.
National School Teachers (Ireland)
74.
asked why the Commissioners of National Education, on promoting a teacher from one grade to another to which a higher salary is attached, do not automatically pay that higher salary from the date of promotion, especially as they return unused some of the money voted to them by Parliament; and, if it be the Tresury, into which this unsued money goes, which prevents its use, by what statutory authority does it refuse to provide salaries according to the Board's scale?
I have nothing to add to the numerous replies given by my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary to questions on this subject. Teachers qualify for promotion under Rule 104 (a), but the number of teachers recognised in each grade is limited and an increased salary cannot be awarded until vacancies arise. It is not permissible for the Commissioners of National Education under the Regulations sanctioned by Parliament and the Treasury to apply the balances remaining on hand at the end of the financial year towards payments of Grants not provided for in the Vote, or for which the sanction of Government and the Treasury had not previously been obtained.
The right hon. Gentleman has not explained by what statutory authority the money is withheld by the Board which returns money to the Treasury unused?
The returning of unexpended money to the Treasury is obligatory upon all Departments.
They pay their debts first?
This is not, a debt until a vacancy occurs.
82.
asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the Fish teachers' executive, as well as the annual congress of teachers just concluded, unanimously decided to refuse to gve evidence before the Committee of Inqury while it sat in private; whether he is aware that under these circumstances he further sittings of this Committee will be of no value; and, if they still refuse to admit the Press, will he take steps to dissolve the Committee?
It is not proposed to dissolve the Committee? While regretting not to receive the assistance of the teachers' organisations, its members hope to be able to furnish a useful report from the documents and evidence which have been submitted to them.
Land Purchase (Ireland)
75.
asked the Chief Secretary having regard to the number of Acts passed promising relief to bonâ fide evicted tenants in Ireland and the number of those officially noted as entitled to this relief who still remain unprovided for while their farms remain untenanted, whether he will take care that the Land Purchase Bill now in preparation will remedy this hardship by compelling the landlords of such vacant farms to sell them for the purpose of restoring thereto the evicted or their representatives?
Three thousand two hundred and forty-eight tenants have been reinstated or provided with new holdings and there are now only 303 evicted tenants whose applications have been provisionally noted for consideration in the allotment of untenanted land acquired by the Estates Commissioners, and who have not yet been reinstated or provided with new holdings (in some sixty of these latter cases the applications received stated that the evicted holdings were in the landlord's occupation). The Commissioners consider that these cases include all persons whose claims deserve consideration and who are suitable to work land, and they are not prepared to reconsider the other cases in which they have decided to take no action. The Commissioners hope to be able to provide holdings for such of these 303 applicants as may be finally approved, on further consideration, out of untenanted land acquired under the voluntary provisions of the Land Purchase Acts.