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Commons Chamber

Volume 51: debated on Thursday 17 April 1913

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House Of Commons

Thursday, 17th April, 1913.

The House met at a quarter before Three of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Private Business

Harrow and Stanmore Gas Bill,

Read the third time, and passed.

London County Council (Tramways, Trolley Vehicles, and Improvements) Bill (by Order),

Second Reading deferred till To-morrow.

Southgate Urban District Council Bill,

Reported, with Amendments, from the Local Legislation Committee (Section B); Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.

Private Bills (Group B),

Sir Edwin Cornwall reported from the Committee on Group B of Private Bills; That, for the convenience of parties, the Committee had adjourned till Monday next, at half-past Eleven of the clock.

Report to lie upon the Table.

Northern Counties Electricity Supply Bill,

Cleveland and Durham County Electric Power Bill,

Reported, with Amendments; Reports to lie upon the Table.

Herne Bay Gas and Electricity Bill,

Reported, with Amendments; Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.

Pauperism (England And Wales) (Monthly Statements)

Return presented relative thereto [ordered 14th April; Mr. Herbert Lewis]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.

Shops Act, 1912

Copy presented of Order made by the county council of the West Riding of Yorkshire (Horsforth Urban District), and confirmed by the Secretary of State for the Home Department under the Act [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.

Public Income And Expenditure

Account presented of the Public Income and Expenditure in the year ended 31st March, 1913, together with the Balances in the Exchequer at the commencement and at the termination of the year, and the Amounts received into or issued from the Exchequer in respect of Funded and Unfunded Debt created or redeemed in the said year [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.

Greek Loan Of 1898

Account presented up to 31st March, 1913 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.

Egyptian Guaranteed Loan Of 1885

Account presented up to 31st March, 1913 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.

Ecclesiastical Commissioners (Agricultural Land)

Address "for Return of the Agricultural Land administered by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, setting out the amount of Land so administered in each county and the parish in which it is situated."—[ Mr. Winfrey.]

Standing Orders

Resolutions reported from the Select Committee.

  • 1. "That, in the case of the Lothian Railways Bill [Lords], Petition for additional Provision, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to insert the additional Provision if the Committee on the Bill think fit."
  • 2. "That, in the case of the Belfast Corporation Bill, Petition for additional Provision, the Standing Orders ought not to be dispensed with."
  • 3. "That, in the case of the Arundell Estate (Closing of Arundell Street and Panton Square) Bill [Lords], Petition for Bill, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  • 4. "That, in the case of the Richmond (Surrey) Electricity Supply Bill [Lords], Petition for Bill, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  • 5. "That, in the case of the Dover Harbour Bill, Petition for dispensing with Standing Order 128 in the case of the Petition of 'the Owners, Lessees, and Occupiers of Property in the vicinity of the proposed Wet Dock No. 2 and inhabitants of the borough of Dover,' against the Bill, the said Standing Order ought, to be dispensed with."
  • 6. "That, in the case of the Arigna Valley Railway Bill [Lords], Petition for Bill, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  • 7. "That, in the case of the Midland Railway (Superannuation Fund) Bill [Lords], Petition for Bill, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill."
  • 8. "That, in the case of the Leeds Corporation Bill [Lords], Petition for Bill, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill, on the condition that Tramway No. 6 is struck out of the Bill:—That the Committee on the Bill do report how far such Order has been complied with."
  • 9. "That, in the case of the London and South Western Railway Bill [Lords], Petition for additional Provision, the Standing Orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the parties be permitted to insert their additional Provision if the Committee on the Bill think fit."
  • First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, and Ninth Resolutions agreed to.

    Report to lie upon the Table.

    Oral Answers To Questions

    Upper Egypt

    2.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has any official reports of rioting in connection with the ejectment of villagers in Upper Egypt from lands recently acquired by the Viscomte Fortarce; and, if so, how many villagers were killed or will ask His Majesty's Agent and Consul-General for a report.

    I have no information on this subject, but will ask His Majesty's Agent and Consul-General for a report.

    Irish Language

    4.

    asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland how many inspectors employed by the Commissioners of National Education and by the Commissioners of Intermediate Education, respectively, in Ireland are competent to examine students in the Irish language; and what steps are being taken to form a competent staff for this purpose?

    Twenty-one of the inspectors employed by the Commissioners of National Education, and one of the five inspectors at present in the service of the Intermediate Education Board are competent to inspect classes in the Irish language. With a view to increasing the number of inspectors so qualified Irish must now be taken as one of the subjects of the qualifying examination of candidates for the office of junior inspector of national schools in the case of every alternate appointment.

    Dublin Castle

    5.

    asked whether the permanent officials in the Court of Probate, Dublin, have recently been questioned with reference to their knowledge of crime in Dublin Castle; whether Mr. Craig Davidson and Mr. Norris Goddard have been questioned; whether since the commencement of a certain criminal trial now proceeding in London one of these Dublin officials has been given indefinite leave of absence; on what plea this has been given; and whether before his departure the Director of Public Prosecutions here was put in possession of the information at that person's disposal and now has his present address?

    Although I have nothing whatever to say to the Probate Court, and have no control over its officials, I have referred this question to the Chief Registrar, who informs me that no official of the Court has been questioned as to crime in Dublin Castle. The Probate Court has no connection with the Castle, and is nowhere near it. Mr. Goddard informed me, in connection with a previous question, that he has not now and never had in his custody, possession, or procurement, any evidence relating to crime committed in Dublin Castle. Neither he nor any of the officials of the Probate Court have been given indefinite leave of absence. I am not aware of any reason for addressing any questions to Mr. Craig Davidson, who is wholly unconnected with and has never been in the public service.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman account for the fact that one of the permanent officials has been absent now for a considerable time and has recently been in Berlin?

    No, Sir; I know nothing about his movements or the capital he has visited.

    Land Purchase (Ireland)

    7.

    asked the total loss to local Grants in county Longford incurred by any default to meet annuities by tenant purchasers there for the year ending 31st March, 1913?

    The total deduction made from the share of county Longford in the Estate or Death Duty Grant during the year ended the 31st March, 1913, in respect of purchasers' annuities in arrear amounted to £766 18s. 4d., but in no sense of the word whatever is this a total loss.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman say why, if he believes this is not going to be a total loss, the deduction could not have been deferred?

    I have explained over and over again that when land purchase annuities are in arrear they are of course deducted from the Grant made to the county, but when the arrears are paid off, as they almost invariably are, without any delay—at the present time county Longford is only in default of two half-yearly instalments amounting to £7 16s. 8d.—then the money is returned to the county.

    8.

    asked whether the Estates Commissioners have taken any further steps to complete the negotiations with Mr. J. W. Bond, D.L., for the acquirement of the untenanted lands of Coolcraff, North Longford?

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to his question on this subject on 29th April last, to which I have nothing to add.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the Estates Commissioners have made any further communication to this landlord?

    9.

    asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he has received a copy of a resolution passed by the Longford District Council asking that the powers of the Estates Commissioners be extended under the promised amending Land Bill to the seven congested divisions of Longford Union, so as to enable the Commissioners to acquire untenanted lands in county Longford to relieve congestion there; and can he hold out any hope that this will be given effect to?

    I have not received the resolution referred to. The powers of the Estates Commissioners at present extend to the whole of county Longford.

    13.

    asked what obstacle the Estates Commissioners are now placing in the way of the evicted tenants at Aughanish, county Limerick, being reinstated in their holdings, in view of the fact that they and the landlord, Lane Joynt, and the tenants on the estate have agreed on the purchase price of the holdings, and in addition have made up between them the £500 required by the Estates Commissioners to be lodged by them for the upkeep of the embankments on the estate, and which amount the Estates Commissioners refused to advance to them on Land Act or other terms?

    The Estates Commissioners have no power to place any persons in occupation of the lands until they acquire them. As the hon. Member has been already informed, they have made their offer to purchase, and they await its acceptance and compliance with its conditions.

    Has not that offer been accepted, and did not the right hon. Gentleman promise me that these evicted tenants would be reinstated by March last, and why have they not been reinstated?

    14.

    asked whether the Congested Districts Board have yet received from Mr. Ryan, Mr. Stannel, and Lord Vaux maps of their estates near Newport, county Mayo, or whether offers to sell the estates through the Board have been received from them or any of them?

    The estates of Mr. E. A. Ryan and Mr. C. A. Stannel have been offered for sale through the Congested Districts Board, and the necessary maps and documents have been lodged. The Board understand that the necessary documents in the case of Lord Vaux's Estate are about to be lodged.

    15.

    asked whether the Congested Districts Board have yet issued an offer for the Domville estate, near Balla, county Mayo; and, if so, whether the offer has been accepted by the owners?

    The Congested Districts Board have issued an offer for the purchase of this estate, and they are at present in correspondence with the owner regarding it.

    16.

    asked whether the trustees of the Achill Mission estate, county Mayo, have yet expressed their willingness to sell the estate through the Congested Districts Board or have refused to sell voluntarily; and when the tenants of this congested estate may expect relief under the Land Act of 1909?

    I understand that there are some legal difficulties in the way of a voluntary sale, but I hope they may not prove to be insurmountable. The Congested Districts Board are not prepared to take steps to acquire this estate compulsorily, but if maps and documents giving the necessary particulars are lodged, the Board will have the estate valued and an offer made for the purchase of it.

    Royal Irish Constabulary

    10.

    asked if the pay of a constable after three years' service in the Royal Irish Constabulary is only 21s. per week, and this figure has remained stationary for more than twenty-five years; if, during that period and since the last revision of pay of this force, the cost of living has risen to a very large extent; and if the Treasury have laid down any definite period of time which must elapse before the question of a further revision of pay will be considered?

    I am aware of the facts to which the hon. Member refers, but the question of the pay of the junior constables is part of the larger question of the pay of the force generally, and as I have said before, it is too soon to reconsider that matter, which was dealt with in 1908. The answer to the last paragraph of the question is in the negative.

    Coolavokig School, Macroom (Ireland)

    17.

    asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland the intentions of the Commissioners of National Education in reference to the Coolavokig (Macroom) school dispute; whether the school is to be placed in charge of the teacher, Mr. Twohig, whose advent to the place led to a riot for which thirteen men have been bound to the peace; is he aware that the reopening of the school under the control of this teacher is likely to lead to renewed disturbances; will any steps be taken by the Commissioners to independently investigate the charge against the former teacher, Mr. Galvin, and to ascertain the facts connected with his resignation; and what is the decision as to the payment of salary to Mrs. Galvin, who is not a party to the dispute, during the period that the school has been closed?

    The Commissioners of National Education do not propose to interfere with the discretion of the manager in the appointment of a teacher in this case. The Commissioners are not aware that the reopening of the school under the control of the teacher whom the manager has appointed is likely to lead to renewed disturbances. The Commissioners having regard to the circumstances see no reason for investigating the charge made against the former teacher and no decision as to the payment of Mrs. Galvin's salary has yet been come to.

    Committee On Irish Finance

    18 and 19.

    asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland (1) whether he can now give the names of the fourteen witnesses who have consented to the publication of their evidence before the Committee on Irish Finance; and (2) when he proposes to publish the evidence of the fourteen witnesses before the Committee on Irish Finance?

    There is no necessity for giving the list for which the hon. Member asks. The evidence which it is proposed to publish is in the printers' hands and will be issued without any delay.

    Has the right hon. Gentleman any special objection to giving the list of names?

    No, Sir, except that I think if the hon. Member waits a few days he will have them. As a matter of fact, one of them is in question at the present moment.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman say how many witnesses altogether have consented to their evidence being published?

    20.

    asked the Vice-President of the Department of Agriculture (Ireland) whether he has any objection to the publication, in whole or part, of the evidence of Mr. Thomas P. Gill, Mr. Thomas Butler, and Mr. Joseph P. Walsh before the Committee on Irish Finance?

    The answer is in the affirmative.

    44.

    asked whether the Inland Revenue Department have any objection to the publication, in whole or part, of the evidence of Mr. Alfred W. Soward before the Committee on Irish Finance?

    The Commissioners of Inland Revenue have no objection to the publication of the evidence referred to by the hon. and gallant Member.

    45.

    asked the Prime Minister what was the reason of the six months' delay in ascertaining whether the witnesses before the Committee on Irish Finance objected to the publication of their evidence, seeing that a majority of the Members of this House asked him to do so in October last.

    My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has repeatedly explained this matter. He stated to the House in May last that he did not see his way to inquire whether the witnesses had any objection to the publication of the evidence which they had given in confidence until a general desire for it on the part of the House was expressed. Although that condition was never satisfied, yet, as some Members seem to think that there was some mystery in the matter, the Prime Minister asked me on the 1st of this month to communicate with the witnesses, and I have done so.

    What I wanted to ask the right hon. Gentleman was why he should wait until six months after the majority of the Members of this House asked him to approach the witnesses?

    Because the Prime Minister entertained doubts as to whether a majority of the House is the same thing as a general desire.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman explain, what has never been explained in this House, why a pledge of secrecy was given in connection with a public matter?

    If that is the mystery the answer is this: We were very anxious that Civil servants should be at liberty to give evidence and feel themselves so.

    78.

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he has any objection to the publication, in whole or part, of the evidence of Sir Charles A. King before the Committee on Irish Finance?

    Sir Charles King has informed the Chief Secretary for Ireland that he has no objection to the publication of the evidence referred to.

    Bee Disease

    23.

    asked how many cases of foul brood in bees were dealt with in the year 1911–12 under the provisions of the Bee Pest Prevention (Ireland) Act, 1908; what was the total allocated for compensation, and how much compensation was actually paid; have there been any suspected cases of Isle of Wight disease; and, if so, what steps have been taken to deal with this disease?

    During the year 1911–12 331 cases of foul brood came under the notice of the local authorities and were dealt with by them. The total amount allocated for payment of compensation was £273. Payments of compensation amounting to £36 14s. 6d. were recommended in twelve counties. Some suspected cases of Isle of Wight disease were reported to the Department during the year. Each case was investigated and suitable precautionary measures were prescribed. The Department have at present no statutory powers to enforce compliance with such measures, except in the case of foul brood.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman propose to take any steps to enable the Department to deal with the matter should disease break out?

    Yes, Sir, there is a Bill for England and Scotland before the House, and when it reaches Committee I have an Amendment prepared to enable it to be applied to Ireland.

    Sleeping Sickness

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he is aware of the recent public announcement of an outbreak of sleeping sickness in Southern Rhodesia and a denial on behalf of the British South Africa Company; and, the prevalence of that disease south of the Zambesi being now acknowledged, whether any steps have been taken to warn intending emigrants to that territory?

    I would refer to my reply to questions regarding sleeping sickness in Southern Rhodesia on Monday. There is no reason to suppose that the disease is generally prevalent south of the Zambesi.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the last part of the question as to the warning to emigrants?

    I do not exactly know how the warning could be conveyed, and as the disease is only prevalent south of the Zambesi I am not so sure of the necessity for it.

    British West Africa (Concessions)

    25.

    asked whether any concessions, privileges, or rights in British West Africa were applied for by any other parties during the period covered by the correspondence with Messrs. Lever Brothers, Limited; and were they dealt with in a similar manner?

    During the period referred to I received no application for any concession in British West Africa similar to that made by Messrs. Lever Brothers.

    Has the right hon. Gentleman received any notification to the effect that no applications have been made, because it was understood that it was contrary to the policy of the Government to grant exclusive privileges?

    26.

    asked the nature and extent of all rights, privileges, or concessions, other than those relating to railways, granted or promised to Messrs. Lever Brothers, Limited, or associated firms, in any West African Colonies or Protectorates up to the present time?

    The only grants which have come to my knowledge are those contemplated in Cd. 6561.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman keep in view the fact that when the correspondence was published nothing definite or final had been decided upon, and can he say whether any progress has been made since that date?

    27.

    asked what licences have been granted or promised to Messrs. Lever Brothers, Limited, or their associated firms, to construct railways in any West African Colony or Protectorate?

    The only promise made is that contained in the letter of 18th December printed on page 45 of Cd. 6561. So far as I am aware, Messrs. Lever Brothers have not yet made any application for a licence.

    Colonial Mutual Life Assurance Society Of Australia

    28.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he has received the statutory returns of the Colonial Mutual Life Assurance Society of Australia for 1912; how they compare with those for 1889 in premium receipts, receipts of interest on funds invested, gross receipts, payments on claims and surrenders, cost of administration, including directors, gross expenditure, and sum invested for security of the insured; and, if an annual meeting is ever held, when the last one was held and how many insured persons were present at it?

    The returns of the Colonial Mutual Life Assurance Society, Limited, under the Assurance Companies Act for the year 1912 have not yet been received, and they are not required by the Act until the 30th June next. The last annual meeting of which the Board of Trade have information was held at Melbourne on the 22nd May, 1912, but the Board have no information as to the number of insured persons present at the meeting.

    National United Insurance Society, Of Glasgow

    29.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade, whether he has received the statutory returns due from the National United Insurance Society, of Glasgow; what sum is shown to have been in the bank at the end of 1912; whether he is aware that all this, except a nominal balance to keep the account open, has since been drawn to keep afloat the National Assurance Collecting Society, worked by the same persons; whether those persons in either capacity have deposited security for fidelity; and, if so, with whom and of what value; and, in view of these two societies run by the same persons, accounting to different State Departments at different dates and making the same money serve as an alleged capital for both, whether he will require an actuarial investigation of the affairs of both simultaneously?

    The National United Insurance Society is a registered society, and returns with regard to it are accordingly made like those regarding the National Assurance Collecting Society to the Assistant Registrar of Friendly Societies and not to the Board of Trade. The statutory return for 1912 has not yet been received, but a notice has been sent to the society requiring it to be submitted within fourteen days from the 3rd instant. The Chief Registrar has no knowledge of the other matters referred to by the hon. Member and no power to order an actuarial investigation into either society, but, on the application of the proper number of members provided by the Statute, he has power to appoint an inspector to examine into and report on the affairs of a society.

    Irish Provident Assurance Company

    30.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that the liquidator of the Irish Provident Assurance Company has had the property of the victims of that company under his control for two years without giving them any satisfaction; whether he is entitled to retain this property indefinitely; if not, when will the Board require a settlement; whether the Board has power to substitute a liquidator for a nominee of the failing directors; and, in view of the number of poor people suffering from this particular failure, whether he will have the assets, if any, distributed without further delay?

    As the hon. Member has been informed on three previous occasions, the liquidation of the Irish Provident Assurance Company, Limited, is not under the control of the Board of Trade, but under that of the Irish Courts. The Board of Trade have no jurisdiction in the matter.

    Will not the Board of Trade inquire into a case which has been in Court two years?

    As I have said, we have no jurisdiction, but I will ascertain if we can make any inquiry on behalf of the hon. Gentleman.

    Ghent Exhibition

    32.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade on what date, and by whom, the decision was arrived at to exclude financial publications from the library of British journals in the British Pavilion at the Ghent Exhibition; and whether this was the original intention or the result of subsequent consideration?

    It was the original intention of the Board of Trade that the library in the British Pavilion at the Ghent Exhibition should be confined to trade and technical journals. The question of including financial papers was given particular consideration last month by the Exhibitions Branch when the original decision to exclude all but trade and technical journals was confirmed.

    Is the hon. Gentleman aware that an invitation was issued to financial journals to make application, and that when one did so there was a long delay before any reply was made? As there appears to have been some misunderstanding, will the hon. Gentleman make further inquiry?

    If the hon. Gentleman will give me the details I will inquire. I was not aware of the invitation to which he alludes.

    Labour Exchanges

    33.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if his attention has been called to the fact that the manager of the Glasgow Labour Exchange had prevented the carpenters' and joiners' trade union from inserting in their vacant book, which is kept at the exchange, a notice to members asking such members not to accept employment at a certain works; and if he will take the necessary steps to see that the trade union in question gets the full use of its books.

    I will cause inquiries to be made into the statement made by my hon. Friend, and will communicate the result to him.

    36.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if the managers of Labour Exchanges are sending a card marked D/L. E. 8 to employers of labour asking them when they require workmen to state the wages they are prepared to pay, so that suitable applicants may be selected; whether this is practically inviting employers to offer less than the standard rate of wages and obtaining cheap labour to the disadvantage of trade unionists; and whether he will either cancel this card or delete from it any reference to wages?

    The card to which my hon. Friend refers has been in use since the inception of the Labour Exchange system. Representations were made to the Board of Trade by the Parliamentary Committee of the Trade Union Congress in October, 1910, urging that full information should in all cases be obtained from employers notifying vacancies as to the wages they proposed to pay. Apart from this it appears to me obviously desirable that managers of Exchanges should endeavour to obtain as much information as employers are willing to give about their vacancies in order to avoid the fruitless work of putting applicants into touch with vacancies which they will not be prepared to accept.

    Is the hon. Gentleman aware that in the case of certain skilled workmen the employers have in many instances offered much less than the standard rate and that owing to this notice having been sent out employers in trades which never offered less than the standard rate are offering less now?

    Peruvian Amazon Company

    35.

    asked whether His Majesty's Government will be prepared to give any special assistance to the Official Receiver in liquidating the affairs of the Peruvian Amazon Company?

    All necessary assistance will, of course, be given to the Official Receiver in dealing with this case, but I understand from the Official Receiver that no cause for any special assistance has so far arisen.

    Is there any possibility of the Official Receiver employing Senor Arana? Can the Board do anything to prevent that?

    Workmen's Compensation Act

    37.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade which his attention has been called to case of Howarth v. Knowles, decided by the judge of the Salford County Court on 9th April last, in which it was proved that a scheme officially certified by the Registrar of Friendly Societies as not less favourable to the general body of workmen and their dependents than the provisions of the Workmen's Compensation Act was in fact so much less favourable that the plaintiff and other workmen who had accepted and were dependent on the scheme are left without compensation or remedy for the rest of their lives; and whether it is proposed to take any, and, if so, what, steps to amend Section 3 of the Act so as to ensure that a scheme certified by the Registrar of Friendly Societies, and on the faith of which contracting out is permitted, can be relied on by those dependent on it as a trustworthy substitute for the provisions of the Act of Parliament?

    My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply to this question. I have seen a newspaper report of the case referred to. The case raises a point of law on the Workmen's Compensation Act which is quite new, and is undoubtedly important, and I understand that there is likely to be an appeal from the learned judge's decision. So far as regards future cases, the Chief Registrar of Friendly Societies informs me that practically all the existing schemes under the Act expire on 30th June next, and that in considering the grant of certificates of renewal he will take steps to ensure, as far as practicable, that provision is made in the schemes for meeting the point raised in the case referred to.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman mean to do nothing in case other schemes fall short as this one has done? Can he not possibly do anything?

    My hon. Friend will see that all these schemes expire in June next, and the Registrar-General proposes to take steps to meet future cases. Therefore the difficulty will be met.

    In the event of the Court of Appeal deciding against the workmen will the Registrar-General be in a position to make an alteration to meet the case?

    Census Records

    39.

    asked when it is intended that the Census Records (England and Wales) of 1861 and 1871 will be transferred from the custody of the Registrar-General to the Record Office, so that they may be made available for search by the general public and for proving the age of claimants for old age pensions?

    I understand there would not be sufficient accommodation at the Record Office to house the Census Records of 1861 and 1871 as the hon. Member suggests.

    Representation Of The People (Women) Bill

    46.

    asked upon which day the Government will provide facilities for the Second Reading of the Representation of the People (Women) Bill?

    We propose Monday, 5th May, and Tuesday, 6th May.

    Will these days be immediately before the Recess? Would it not be for the general convenience of Members if these days were taken immediately before the holidays, so that hon. Members might have an opportunity of prolonging their holidays if they liked? Will that suggestion be considered?

    The Government always give the most careful consideration to every suggestion put forward by my hon. Friend.

    Channel Tunnel

    47.

    asked the right hon. Gentleman if he will give an opportunity, at an early date, for discussing the question of the construction of a Channel Tunnel?

    My right hon. Friend is not prepared to give facilities from Government time for a discussion of this project.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman consider that this is a question in which immense interest is taken on both sides of the House generally, and that it has not been mentioned in the House for many years; and might we not have a half-day?

    Land Transfer

    48.

    asked the right hon. Gentleman if he is aware of the legal expenses connected with the sale and transfer of land; and if he will, by providing for the registration of title, simplify the transfer and thus reduce the expense of such exchange, thereby encouraging the creation of an increase of the number of owners of land?

    The whole of this question is receiving the close con- sideration of the Lord Chancellor, but I can make no statement at present with regard to it.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman's answer indicate that the Government intend at an early date to take some action upon the Report of the Royal Commission?

    They certainly propose to take action. I think they are in consultation with various interests concerned.

    In dealing with the transfer of land will the right hon. Gentleman take into consideration the fact that the cost of transferring land has been increased by his Land Taxes?

    Is it not a fact that a larger quantity of land has been transferred to small holders since the Budget was passed than in the preceding years?

    My hon. Friend is certainly right there. The Stamp Revenue Returns certainly prove that.

    Industrial And Provident Societies (Amendment) Bill

    49.

    asked if it is intended to give facilities for passing the Industrial and Provident Societies (Amendment) Bill during the present Session?

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given by the Prime Minister on 9th April last to a question by the hon. Member for Norwich on this subject.

    Income Tax (Collection)

    50.

    asked the right hon. Gentleman if the Inland Revenue, by direction of the Lords and officials of the Treasury subject to his authority, has suggested to the Bank of England to pay coupons payable to bearer for the interest on public funds, otherwise than in full, by making without warrant of law a deduction from each coupon in respect of Income Tax not yet imposed; has he considered the effect upon the credit of the Bank and of this country of paying such coupons otherwise than in full; and have the Law Officers been consulted on the legality of such a diminished payment?

    The Inland Revenue has made no suggestion to the Bank of England beyond what was contained in the circular letter of 2nd April to bankers, paying agents, etc., which was laid on the Table of the House. With regard to the second and third parts, the right hon. Gentleman is aware that the general question of the deductions to which he refers is being fully dealt with in the legislative proposals that are at present before the House.

    Customs And Excise Department (Surveyors)

    51.

    asked the present number of surveyors and unattached surveyors of Customs and Excise, respectively, who were serving in the Customs branch and in the Excise branch at the time of the adoption of the Report of the Hobhouse Committee; the actual number of promotions to that grade since that date, and how many such promotions have fallen to the officers formerly serving in the Customs and Excise Departments, respectively?

    Of the present surveyors, 198 attached and 94 unattached were serving in the Customs branch, and 398 attached and 30 unattached in the Excise branch, at the date referred to. The answer to the last part of the question is the same that I gave to a similar question put to me by the hon. Member for Blackburn on 5th December last, except that the number of the Customs men referred to is now 104.

    National Insurance Act

    United National Friendly Assurance Collecting Society

    38.

    asked the right hon. Gentleman the result of the inquiry instituted into the financial condition of the United National Friendly Assurance Collecting Society; the number of persons insured; the total amount collected from them; the total expenditure; the total liabilities incurred; the amount secured to meet those liabilities; the nature and value of any security given by officers for fidelity, and by whom held; the amount of the endowment policies due to mature in 1914; whether the society continues collecting and canvassing in Ireland; whether approval has been withdrawn from the society worked by it under the National Insurance Act; and whether he will institute an actuarial investigation into this society's affairs?

    The complaints made by my hon. Friend and others with regard to this society have been the subject of investigation, as promised in the answer given to him on 1st January. No such irregularities have been disclosed as would justify the withdrawal of approval under Section 29 of the Insurance Act from the United National Friendly Approved Society, which is a separate section conducting business under the Insurance Act under conditions which keep the finances absolutely distinct from those of the collecting society; but the affairs of the society will continue to be under the observation of the Commissioners and the auditors. The return of the collecting society for 1912 has not yet been received, and is not finally due until 31st May next. Particulars as to the assets and liabilities of the society, as shown in the Return for 1911, were given to my hon. Friend in the answer of 1st January. I have no knowledge of the other matters referred to in the question and no power to institute an actuarial investigation into the affairs of the collecting society.

    Approved Societies' Valuation

    41.

    asked whether the valuation of approved societies having over 5,000 members in England and less than 5,000 members in Scotland and Wales will be conducted on a system which will secure to the members in Scotland and Wales not less than the minimum benefits paid to the members of the same society resident in England after the valuation?

    The answer is in the negative. The English, Scottish and Welsh sections of societies having members in all three countries have each complete financial independence of each other whatever their respective numbers.

    May we take it for granted from the hon. Gentleman's answer that there may be, after the next valuation, three scales of benefits for the different sets of members of one society?

    This is the result, of course, of the decision arrived at by the House. It does not follow, as the hon. Member infers, that the English set will always have the best of it.

    Seeing that they all pay the same, does not the hon. Gentleman think they should all receive the same, and that any regulation which prevents that is ridiculous?

    It is the Act which creates four separate funds. We cannot override that.

    Will the hon. Gentleman consider the advisability of dealing with this part of the business in the amending Bill?

    Medical Benefit

    54.

    asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he is aware that William Butler, of Llanelly, an insured person and a member of the Prudential Approved Society, was unable to obtain the benefits of the National Insurance Act during a recent illness through failure on the part of the Prudential Society to provide him with a medical ticket after repeated applications; whether he is aware that the man is still without a medical ticket; and whether he will take steps to compel the Prudential Society to at once give Butler his card and to prevent similar occurrences in future?

    I am informed by the society that the insured person was a deposit contributor who subsequently transferred to the society, and that the delay in providing him with a medical ticket was due to a misunderstanding on the part of the society's local representative who was under the impression that all the formalities in connection with the transfer of the insured person from the Post Office Fund to the society must be completed before the ticket could be issued. A medical ticket has now been supplied to the member, and the position has been made clear to the society's agent.

    Will this person suffer any financial loss through the neglect of the society?

    I cannot say. Perhaps the hon. Member will put down a further question.

    Sickness Benefit

    90.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether his attention has been called to the case of Mrs. Parry, a school teacher at Deal, who, on the 15th January, 1913, became entitled to sickness benefit, being furnished with a medical certificate in the prescribed form stating that she was totally incapacitated from work; whether he is aware that Mrs. Parry, being dangerously ill, was admitted on the 22nd of January to the Victoria Cottage Hospital at Deal, being, as an insured person, only eligible for admission to the hospital as a case of urgency and on condition of paying for her maintenance and medical attendance; that she is still unable to resume her employment, but that, in spite of repeated applications to her approved society, the Teachers' Provident Society, she has been unable to obtain any payment of sickness benefit except for the first week of her illness, and although she has a blind infant dependent upon her; whether this treatment is due to a decision of the Insurance Commissioners that under no circumstances shall sickness benefit be paid to insured persons in hospital, even though obliged to provide their own maintenance; and whether he will take steps to reverse this decision of the Commissioners and to remove the injustice inflicted thereby on Mrs. Parry and other insured persons in similar circumstances?

    It is not a decision of the Insurance Commissioners, but a definite provision of Section 12 of the National Insurance Act that sickness benefit shall not be paid to insured persons while they are in hospitals of the kind described in the Section. The same Section, however, provides for the application of the benefit, in whole or in part, for the relief or maintenance of any dependants. I am informed by the society that they were unable until last week to ascertain whether Mrs. Perry had any dependants, and that immediately on being satisfied that such was the case the whole amount of the sickness benefit calculated up to 13th April, namely, £4 10s., was paid for the relief and maintenance of the dependants, in acccordance with the provisions of Section 12. Any inconvenience that may have been caused would appear to have been due to the insured person not supplying the society at once with information as to her dependants, and not to any decision of the Insurance Commissioners.

    Old Age Pensions

    52.

    asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he is aware that Mrs. Johanna Murphy made an application at the Aherla post office last September for an old age pension, filling up the usual form and showing her certificate of birth that she was seventy years of age on 1st January, 1913; whether she was informed in the first week of February, 1913, by the clerk of the Bandon (No. 1) Pension Sub-committee that the committee did not meet until the last Monday in January and that she was granted pension allowance from that date; will Mrs. Murphy be deprived of her pension for four weeks from 1st January owing to the failure of the committee to meet; and, if not, what steps must be taken to recover the amount properly due to her?

    I understand that the officer's report in this case was sent to the sub-committee in due time for the usual meeting in December, but that the sub-committee did not meet until the end of January. Under the provisions of the Old Age Pension Act a pension only commences to accrue as from the Friday following its allowance by a committee, and I fear that Mrs. Murphy therefore only became entitled to a pension as from that date.

    Is Mr. Murphy to suffer because of the fact that the committee did not have the usual meeting?

    I admit there is a hardship but we have no statutory power to remedy it. The blame must lie on the committee.

    40.

    asked whether the general Order issued to old age pension officers in September, 1908, or any substituted Order, on the value of maintenance has been communicated to every pension officer in Ireland and is now used by them for their guidance; if so, what scale the Order fixes in normal cases in urban and rural districts in Great Britain and in Ireland, respectively; whether it leaves each officer discretion to increase or reduce the pension according to circumstances within the limits of the Act; what is the authority or scale whereby this discretion is always used to reduce or extinguish pensions in Ireland but not in Great Britain; whether the opinion of the medical officer is obtained in all such cases before the reduction is made; if the rent or valuation of the home where the claimant resides affects the pension, what is the practice on that point in the two countries, respectively; and in what percentage of the claims for old age pensions has the pension been reduced or disallowed on account of the value of maintenance in Great Britain and in Ireland, respectively?

    No scale is in force under either the Order of September, 1908, or any subsequent Order, for general application by pension officers in framing their estimates of the value of maintenance, and the general rule governing the officers' practice is as stated in my reply to the hon. Member's previous question of the 11th instant. Pension officers have no discretion to increase or reduce a pension. This discretion rests with the local committee or the Local Government Board on appeal. So far as I am aware, it is not the practice of pension officers to obtain medical opinion on questions affecting the value of means. The rent or valuation of the house in which a claimant resides is one of several factors which a pension officer might take into account in framing an estimate in either country. The information asked for in the last paragraph of the question is not available.

    Is is not a fact that the circular issued in September, 1908, contained a scale; is that circular, or any one corresponding to it, still in force; and is the circular of 1908, which exempted £30 of furniture, clothes, and personal effects from the estimate, still in force?

    The hon. Member is mistaken. The so-called circular of which he speaks was not a scale, but simply a set of a few suggestions to officers. They never constituted a scale. The suggestions have been modified as a result of the experience acquired.

    Is the earlier circular exempting £30 of personal effects still in force?

    Perhaps the hon. Member will give me notice of that special point. I cannot answer it at the moment.

    Civil Service (Conditions Of Employment)

    55.

    asked if the approval of the Treasury is required to the appointment to posts in the Civil Service to which a commencing salary on a rising scale is attached at higher than the commencing rates; and, if so, whether the approval of the Treasury was given in all the cases specified in the Returns recently published of persons appointed without competitive examination in which the commencing salary paid was in excess of the fixed minimum?

    The special sanction of the Treasury would be required for the appointment of any Civil servant at a rate of salary higher than the minimum of the scale attached to the post to which he was appointed unless the case fell within certain categories covered by general authorities given under Treasury Minutes. If in any case such sanction were not obtained, the omission would be noticed by the Comptroller and Auditor-General and queried by him. I am not aware of any case among those to which the hon. Member refers in which such omission has occurred.

    60.

    asked whether the Board of Education employs permanent clerks at salaries less than the equivalent of £l per week; and what is the number of clerks in the Board's service receiving, on 31st March ultimo, less than £1 per week, 25s. per week, and 30s. per week, respectively?

    The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The hon. Member is, no doubt, aware that the commencing salary of an assistant clerk is £45. The number of permanent clerks, including women clerks and typists, in the Board's service receiving on 31st March last less than 30s. per week was 199. Of these, 136 received less than 25s. per week, and of these, again, forty-four received less than £1 per week.

    Is any distinction made in the salaries paid to men and women for the same class of work?

    If the hon. Member will put down a question I will give him the figures.

    61.

    asked whether the Board's assistant clerks are eligible for special increments similar to those awarded to second division clerks?

    Assistant clerks serving under the Board of Education are eligible for special increments only under the conditions laid down in Treasury Regulations of 22nd December, 1908, but the conditions of these increments are not similar to those under which special increments are granted to second division clerks under Clause 33 of the Order in Council of 10th January, 1910.

    99.

    asked the Secretary of State for War the number of adults serving in a civil capacity in his Department; the grades and numbers of persons so employed who receive less than 30s. per week or £78 per annum; and the number whose working day exceeds eight hours?

    The total number so serving in the War Office amounts to 1,179, of whom 268 are receiving less than 30s. a week or £78 a year. This latter number includes 33 lady typists, 110 messengers and porters, and 100 female servants and charwomen. The normal working day for all classes is less than eight hours a day, except for messengers, who are liable for a longer period, but are rarely called up to work beyond a period of eight hours.

    Are the wages paid to women typists less than those paid to men typists?

    School Accommodation

    56.

    asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that all departments of the Holy Trinity Church of England school, Wey-mouth, have been overcrowded for some years past; whether he will give the reasons why this overcrowding has been allowed to continue; whether he is aware that the latest official list of schools shows that 40 per cent. of the scholars in Wey mouth are in overcrowded schools; and whether anything will be done to remedy the present overcrowding?

    Overcrowding occurred in the school referred to in 1910 and 1911, partly as a result of the reassessment of accommodation on the ten and nine square feet basis which took place in 1909 as a result of rearrangements. The only overcrowded department in the school in 1912 was that of the infants, in which the average attendance exceeded the recognised accommodation by two. No other department of any school in the area of the authority was overcrowded during the last school year.

    57.

    asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that the official list of schools shows that 100 per cent. of the scholars in Pelsall are in overcrowded schools, and that in the Wesleyan school and the Church of England school the average attendance is in excess of the accommodation in all departments; and what steps he is taking to provide additional accommodation as required by the code?

    For the last school year only one department of the four departments in the two schools in Pelsall was overcrowded, and the overcrowding amounted only to thirteen units. As the result of conferences between the authority, the school managers, and the Board the two schools will be reorganised, and proposals have been put forward by the local authority for the provision of a new school for 250 children.

    58.

    asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that the latest volume of statistics shows that after excluding all scholars under five years of age there are in all the elementary schools of Coventry only 16,188 school places for 16,719 children on the roll; whether he is aware that 32 per cent. of the scholars are in overcrowded schools, and that the average attendance greatly exceeds the accommodation in All Saints and Holy Trinity Church of England schools, and in Wheatley Street and Edgewick council schools; and what steps will be taken to enable all children between five and fifteen years of age to attend schools?

    The figures given in the first part of the question are correct. With regard to the second part of the question, during the year ended 31st March, 1912, approximately 28 per cent. of the children were in overcrowded schools. There is no longer overcrowding in the Church of England schools, mentioned in the question; but there is some excess of average attendance over accommodation in the case of the Wheatley Street council school, and a small excess in the case of the Edgewick council school. The Board have been in correspondence with the authority on the subject of accommodation for some time. Two new council schools, making provision for over 1,700 scholars, have been opened since September, 1911, and proposals are at present before the Board for the provision of 5,200 additional places in the area of the authority. The hon. Member will be aware that there has been in recent years a rapid growth in the population of Coventry.

    Physically Defective Children

    62.

    asked the President of the Board of Education whether the education of physically defective children is included in the Elementary Education (Defective and Epileptic Children) Bill; and, if not, whether he will extend its provisions so as to include them?

    The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. My right hon. Friend is not at present prepared to make compulsory upon local education authorities the provision of special schools for physically defective children. The hon. Member will be aware that local authorities already have power to make this provision under the Elementary Education (Defective and Epileptic Children) Act, 1899.

    Royal Navy

    Government Contracts (Fair-Wages Clause)

    63.

    asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the Hoffman Manufacturing Company, Limited, Chelmsford, are sub-contractors to Messrs. Armstrong, Whitworth, and Company, Limited, and Vickers, Sons, and Maxims, Limited; if so, whether this brings this firm within the Fair-Wages Clause; whether he is aware that this firm are paying adult men as low a wage as 3½d. per hour; whether he is aware that this firm print on their note-heading in red ink the fact that they are contractors to the Admiralty and other Government Departments; and whether he can see his way clear to make inquiry into the wages paid by this firm in order to discover whether they are observing the Fair-Wages Clause in their contracts?

    The Admiralty have no information as to whether the firm mentioned are holding sub-contracts for Admiralty work from the firms named. If they do, the Fair-Wages Clause applies, and the main contractor is responsible for the due observance of that Clause. As to the third part of the question, the Admiralty have no information. As to the fourth part, this appears to be the case. As regards the last part of the question, this must depend upon a specific complaint in respect of Admiralty work, and it will be necessary to furnish primâ, facie evidence that the actual rates paid for particular classes of labour are below those recognised by employers and trade societies in the district, or failing such agreed rates, are below those paid by good employers. As a strike is understood to exist at the works, it would not be practicable for an individual Department to conduct an investigation under the Fair-Wages Clause unless the Board of Trade were satisfied that such action would not be generally prejudicial.

    Is the hon. Gentleman aware that this firm, by its own admission, is a blackleg firm, and that prior to this strike taking place they were advertising for tool makers at about 25 per cent. less than the ordinary rate of wages, and that upon the paper inviting men to come for that rate of wages they advertised the fact, and gave it the special emphasis of red ink, that they are contractors to the Admiralty; and will he take some steps to see that the firm no longer advertises or is struck off the list?

    I have no knowledge of the information given me by my hon. Friend, but I will take note of it.

    Can the firms mentioned in the question sub-let their work to another contractor without the sanction of the Admiralty?

    98.

    asked the Secretary of State for War whether the Hoffman Manufacturing Company, Limited, Chelmsford, are sub-contractors to Messrs. Armstrong, Whitworth, and Company, Limited, and Vickers, Sons, and Maxims, Limited; if so, whether this brings this firm within the Fair-Wages Clause; whether he is aware that this firm are paying adult men as low a wage as 3½d. per hour; whether he is aware that this firm print on their note-heading in red ink the fact that they are contractors, to the War Office and other Government Departments; and whether he will therefore make inquiry into the wages paid by this firm, in order to discover whether they are observing the Fair-Wages Clause in their contracts?

    Under the terms of the Fair-Wages Clause a contractor is responsible for the observance of the Clause by a sub-contractor. It is not known at the War Office if the firm in question is, at the present moment, supplying the firms mentioned, or other contractors, with material required in connection with Army contracts. But, as I stated on the 14th instant, I do not think that the War Office can usefully intervene, or require a contractor to intervene, while the present dispute is in progress.

    Canteen Positions (Maltese)

    68.

    asked what is the number of Maltese holding canteen positions in Home waters?

    Seventeen canteen tenancies in His Majesty's ships in Home waters are held by Maltese firms at the present time.

    Aircraft

    64.

    asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether any aeroplanes, hydro-aeroplanes, or other types of aerial craft, are attached to any of the fleets or squadrons in Home waters; and, if not, whether he will, in view of the fact that the speed of an aeroplane is approximately twice as great as that of a destroyer, take the necessary measures to ensure that our fleets are equipped with these craft for scouting purposes?

    This question is being made the subject of investigation and experiment.

    Is the hon. Member aware that the First Lord stated last March twelvemonths that he hoped in a few months aeroplanes will be attached to all the fleets?

    I can only say we are making experiments. I am sure he would not desire us to take hasty action in this Important matter.

    65.

    asked whether the principal dockyards, arsenals, and naval bases in this country are within the nominal radius of action of the German airships of the Zeppelin type acting from the German coast; and whether our fleets, dockyards, and arsenals are provided with defensive equipment against aerial attack by means either of aircraft or of anti-aircraft guns?

    The reply to the first part of the question is in the affirmative, provided that the conditions are favourable. With regard to the second part, defensive measures are being taken for dealing with aerial attack.

    Werry Engines

    66.

    asked if the Werry type of engine installed in a pinnace attached to His Majesty's Australian Ship "Australia" has completed its trials successfully; and, if so, whether the building of engines of similar or larger sizes is under consideration?

    The Werry type of engine installed in steam pinnace A2 attached to the "Australia" worked satisfactorily during its trials, but its performance was not equal to that of the types generally fitted in Service steam pinnaces. The building of Werry engines of similar or larger sizes is not under consideration.

    Supplementary Lieutenants

    67.

    asked whether the commissions of the new supplementary lieutenants are to be dated from their seniority as lieutenants, Royal Naval Reserve, or from the date that their names were actually inserted on the Navy List as lieutenants, Royal Navy?

    The commissions of officers now being entered in the Royal Navy as supplementary lieutenants will be dated from the approximate date of their entry into the Royal Navy.

    Reformatories

    69.

    asked the Home Secretary what is the cause of the delay in submitting the Report of the Departmental Committee on Reformatories; and at what date the reception of evidence was completed?

    I understand no evidence has been taken since July last, but since that date further inquiries have been made by the Committee by means of circulars and visits to schools. The Committee now hope to have their Report ready in a few weeks.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman state whether there will be any opportunity for the discussion of the question of reformatories and cognate questions?

    Street Hawking, London

    70.

    asked the Home Secretary whether his attention has been drawn to the case of John Quinn, a coloured man but a British subject, who has been prevented from hawking goods in the streets of London; and whether, in this matter of street hawking, the police have any right to make any distinction between white and coloured British subjects?

    The Commissioner of Police reports that the man referred to conducts his business in the streets in such a manner as to cause serious obstruction, and he is not amenable to advice or caution. Such action as has been found necessary has been taken in the ordinary course of police duty, no distinction being drawn between one offender and another.

    Prosecution Of Mr Cecil Chesterton

    71.

    asked the Home Secretary whether he has received any communication setting forth facts connected with the St. David's Mining Development Company, Limited, the Voel Mines, Limited, and the Gwyn Mines, Limited; and whether the Director of Public Prosecutions will investigate these facts and take the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown about them?

    After the hon. Member had given notice of this question I received the communication to which apparently he refers. How many of the statements it contains can be described as facts I am unable to say; but I cannot help feeling much doubt as to the bona fides of representations first made ten years after the events to which they refer. I have no jurisdiction in the matter.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman defer the criminal prosecution of Mr. Cecil Chesterton until he has thoroughly investigated the facts to which I refer in my question?

    I think it would be obviously to the advantage of the good administration of justice if the hon. Gentleman would defer the question until the prosecution is finished.

    Coal Mines (Minimum Wage) Act

    72.

    asked whether in a district it has been decided that a mason's labourer working regularly in a mine does not come within the scope of the Coal Mines (Minimum Wages) Act; and whether, in view of the conflicting opinions on the matter and the fact that mason's labourers in other districts come under the Act, any guidance can be given on the point or any steps taken to secure uniformity of administration?

    I have not seen the decision referred to, but, as my hon. Friend is no doubt aware, the definition of "workman" for the purposes of the Coal Mines (Minimum Wage) Act is contained in Section 5 (1) of the Act. The Board of Trade have no authority in regard to the matter, which would appear to be ultimately one for the decision of the Courts.

    Mines Act (Aid Certificates)

    73.

    asked the Home Secretary the date upon which the Glamorgan County Council first memorialised him asking that their first aid certificates should be recognised by him for the purposes of the requirements of the Mines Act; and what are the reasons which have led to the delay in coming to a decision, particularly as these certificates are recognised by the Board of Trade and the War Office?

    The Glamorgan County Council applied in April last year that the certificates which they were proposing to issue might be recognised for the purposes of the Rescue Order. It was explained to them that this would require an amendment of the Order, and they were asked to submit details of their scheme for consideration, but these were not received till the end of November. It has been necessary to examine carefully the whole question of the recognition of the certificates of bodies other than the principal ambulance associations, and this question is not yet ready for decision; but, in the meantime, the Board for Mining Examinations have decided, with a view to preventing any hardship, that a candidate for a certificate of competency who is desirous of sitting at the examination next month but has not yet obtained the first aid certificate required, shall be allowed four months after the examination in which to obtain it.

    Post Office Staff (Engineering Department)

    75.

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware that, notwithstanding his reply to a recent memorial that no obstacle would be placed in the way of assistant clerks serving in the Post Office engineering department seeking transfers to other Government Departments, assistant clerks who have arranged such transfers are being kept back, and the vacancies for which they applied are being filled by the Civil Service Commission with new entrants to the class; and will he say what action he proposes to take in the case of these clerks?

    Requests from other Government Departments for the services of assistant clerks employed in the Post Office engineering department have been complied with whenever the circumstances permitted. For some time the Civil Service Commissioners were unable to comply with requisitions for assistant clerks, and on account of the extreme pressure of work existing in the engineering department no assistant clerks could be spared for transfer until successors were available. I am not aware, however, of any case in which the transfer of an assistant clerk has fallen through owing to this cause.

    Telephone Service

    77.

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he has yet completed his inquiries regarding the demand for telephone facilities in the village of Wingham, Kent; and whether he can now say that such facilities will be provided without further delay?

    The estimates are not yet complete, and I am unable at present to say if the provision of the facilities will be justified. I will communicate with the hon. Member as soon as I am in a position to give a decision.

    Housing Accommodation, Potterne (Wiltshire)

    80.

    asked the President of the Local Government Board whether, as the result of an inquiry by Mr. Collin, a Local Government Board inspector, on the 23rd May, 1912, into the housing conditions of Potterne, in Wilts, the Board has twice communicated with the Devizes Rural District Council, recommending, on the 5th July, the erection of twelve cottages, and again in September, warning the council that they are not justified in deferring action any longer though the erection of cottages might entail a burden on the rates; and whether, although seven months have elapsed since the Board issued this warning, no steps have been taken by the Devizes Rural District Council to erect any cottages for the labourers of Potterne?

    I have received representations not only from the Devizes Rural District Council, but also from the Potterne Parish Council, in regard to this matter, in which the need for the provision of further cottages in the parish of Potterne is questioned, and various reasons are advanced in support of this view. In consequence, I have thought it desirable to have the matter further investigated on the spot, and one of my inspectors will visit the district for this purpose at an early date.

    Paupers (Shropshire)

    81.

    asked the figures of the various unions in Shropshire to show the present number of indoor and outdoor paupers over and under seventy years of age, respectively; and the corresponding figures for the same date in 1906 and the intervening years?

    I will send to the hon. Member a table containing such figures as I am able to supply.

    Dobbinson Charity, Willington (Durham)

    82.

    asked the hon. Member for the Stroud Division, as representing the Charity Commissioners, what were the original purposes of the Dobbinson Charity, Willington, in the county of Durham; and whether the proceeds of the charity are now being devoted to these original purposes; if not so devoted, what steps does he propose to take to restore the charity to its original character?

    The Dobbinson Charity, Brancepeth, was founded by Anne Dobbinson's gift by will of 21st January, 1662, of £2 5s. a year to the poor of Willington, and other smaller annual sums to six other townships in the parish of Brancepeth. By a scheme made by the Durham County Court on 23rd March, 1857, amended in certain details by two subsequent schemes in 1880 and 1898, the whole income of the charity was made applicable for educational purposes in connection with elementary schools in the townships interested. The charity is now under the jurisdiction of the Board of Education.

    Development Fund (Grants)

    83.

    asked the President of the Board of Agriculture what is the present interpretation of a farm institute towards the expenses of which Development Fund Grants are shortly to be made available to local authorities by the Board; and whether it necessarily involves the provision of buildings, either presently or ultimately?

    A farm institute is intended to be an institution which, in addition to providing courses of instruction in agricultural subjects suitable for the district in which it is situated, shall also serve as a headquarters for one or more members of the staff of agricultural instructors employed in local peripatetic work. In cases in which buildings suitable for the purposes of an institute are not available it is contemplated that they must ultimately be provided either by single counties or by groups of counties.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that the recent circular on the subject to the local authorities does not make this absolutely clear?

    It is very difficult to make it absolutely clear. Every individual case will be considered by the Board, and if the hon. Gentleman will bring any case to my notice it will be inquired into.

    Land Valuation

    84.

    asked whether there are any further additions to be made to the Estimate of £630,000 for the expenses of the Land Valuation Office to arrive at the complete cost of its working, besides £20,000 for rent of district valuer's offices and £15,000 for printing; and, if so, what is the amount of them, and under what Votes do they come?

    The total cost of the services rendered by other Departments in connection with the original valuation for the current year is approximately £50,000, made up as follows:—

    £
    Rent of offices (borne on Office of Works Vote)20,000
    Rates (borne on Vote for Rates on Government Property)4,500

    £
    Stationery and printing (borne on Stationery Office Vote)11,000
    Postage (borne on Post Office Vote)14,500

    The sum of £15,000 previously given as the estimated cost of stationery and printing is found upon further investigation to have been excessive.

    May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether on a future occasion it would not be possible to set down the estimate more clearly so that the whole cost will appear in a single estimate instead of being spread over a number of estimates?

    If that was done in connection with this Vote, it would have to be done in connection with all other Votes, and I think that would be quite impossible.

    Education (Necessitous Areas Grant)

    85.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has received a resolution from the education committee of Merthyr Tydvil protesting against the reduction of the necessitous areas Grant and claiming that three-fourths of the expenditure in excess of a rate of 1s. 6d. in the £ should be met by the Government, as originally promised, and not be subject to the limitations since imposed; whether he is aware that the notification of a further reduction in the necessitous school areas Grant was not known to the local education authority until after the estimates for the coming year were passed and will, if persisted in, mean an addition of 2d. to the education rate for the borough; and whether he will revert to the original policy of the Government to pay three-fourths of the expenditure in excess of a rate of 1s. 6d. in the £?

    The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The regulations for the necessitous Grants (Cd. 6224) provide in 1912–13, as in previous years, for a pro rata reduction in case the total Grants exceed the fixed sum voted by Parliament. Ample notice was thus given to the local authorities, but it is not possible to inform them of the precise reduction of their claims until the close of the year, when all the claims have been examined.

    In view of the fact that the number of areas has been increased, and that the Grant is consequently proportionately smaller, may I ask whether the right hon. Gentleman cannot see his way to put an extra £80,000 in the Budget to meet the claims of all the areas?

    Undeveloped Land Duty

    88.