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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 53: debated on Tuesday 27 May 1913

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Political Prisoners

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that a precedent exists for the representation by this country to a Foreign Power as to alleged ill-treatment of political prisoners, and that Mr. Gladstone's pamphlets on political prisoners in Naples were sent by our Foreign Office to our representatives at all the Courts of Europe with the view that they should be noted by the various Governments; and whether, having regard to the action which our country has taken in the past in using all legitimate pressure to further political liberty and justice, he will consider the propriety of approaching other Powers on behalf of political captives who are alleged to suffer without trial in the prisons of Portugal and Russia?

The answer to the hon. Member's question is in the negative.

2.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has any information to the effect that the Russian law acknowledges the existence of political prisoners, or any information regarding the sentences passed on such prisoners, or the crimes for which such prisoners are punished; whether the allegations made regarding such prisoners and the punishments inflicted upon them have, so far as the Foreign Office is aware, any authenticity; and whether His Majesty's Government has acquired by treaty, instrument, or capitulation any right or title to inquire into or make representations concerning the internal administration of a friendly Power?

Persia

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to the number of robberies that are reported to have occurred on the Bushire-Ispahan trade route in Persia during March last, including the looting of a caravan of lamb skins, the property of Russian subjects; whether the Russian owners have been or are to be compensated for their loss; and, if so, whether he will insist upon the right of British subjects to be equally compensated for the losses that they have incurred?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the second part my only information is to the effect that according to a report received by the Persian Government the chief official at Yezdikhast pursued the robbers and recovered the goods. As regards British losses; I see no reason to depart from the procedure hitherto followed whereby failing recovery of the goods or satisfaction being given by the local authorities, a claim is presented to the central Government by His Majesty's Minister at Teheran.

I am afraid that the pecuniary claims in Persia are not in a very satisfactory condition, and therefore the only certain remedy is to recover the goods. I think in some instances that remedy has been obtained in the case of British goods, but I gather that, in this particular Russian case, the goods were recovered.

Will the British Minister press for compensation in cases where the goods have not been recovered?

The claims are put on record, and, of course, we shall press for compensation and the actual payment, whenever Persian finances admit of it.

Can the right hon. Gentleman take no steps to make the trade routes more safe for British subjects?

That has been discussed at length, and the step we have encouraged is the gendarmerie under Swedish officers, which has lately made some progress in the protection of the routes.

Tibet

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he can give any information as to the present state of affairs in Tibet; and whether the condition that the Republic of China will not be recognised till the question of Tibet has been satisfactorily settled still holds good?

The latest reports show that hostilities are still in progress between the Chinese and the tribesmen on the eastern frontiers of Tibet. But otherwise all Chinese officials and troops have left the country, which is being peaceably administered by the Tibetan authorities. With regard to the question of recognition, I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the answer given to the unstarred question by the hon Member for East Nottingham on the 7th ultimo and to the statement during the Debate on the Motion for Adjournment on the 8th instant.

May I ask if that means the conditions formerly imposed will not now be enforced?

The statement was that we were anxious to make the formal recognition of China in concert with the other. Powers, and that the one condition of which we were now asking for general recognition on the part of the Chinese Government was that previously existing treaties should be maintained.

Will the question of Tibet be settled before that recognition is given?

I do not know when the question of Tibet will be definitely settled. We had not contemplated the making of the special recognition of Tibet a particular condition apart from the general recognition of existing treaties.

Delhi

5.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India when the Report of the Delhi Town-planning Committee will be published; and whether an opportunity will be afforded to the House to discuss its recommendations?

The Delhi Town-planning Committee has submitted three reports—the first report on the election of a site; submitted after the first visit of the Committee to India; a special report on the possibility of building the Imperial capital on the north site, and a final report on the town planning of the new capital. The three reports have been printed in India, and copies are now on their way to this country for presentation to Parliament. The last part of the question should be addressed to my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister, but in the normal course the House, if it chooses, can discuss these matters with others in the debate on the East Indian Revenue Accounts.

Can we be assured that copies of these reports will come over in sufficient number for them to be generally circulated, or will only one or two copies come?

A sufficient number of copies will be sent over to circulate them to every Member of the House.

Poonah Torture Case

6.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether the Government of India has yet come to a decision as to the conduct of the honorary magistrate who recorded the confession of the accused in the Poonah torture case; and, if so, can he state what it is; and whether the reforms promised by him and published on 25th September, 1911, have ever been carried out, and especially whether the local governments have yet considered the question therein stated to have been submitted to them as to the advantage of having confessions recorded at all before the commencement of the trial?

The honorary magistrate to whom the hon. Member refers has been deprived of his powers. As regards the reforms promised in September, 1911, action in various directions has been taken, and generally it may be said that most of the reforms have been carried out. I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to his question on 15th April last. The reply to the last part of the question is in the affirmative. The Government of India have not, however, as yet communicated the result of their consideration of the opinions expressed by the local governments.

Non-Commissioned Officers, India (Furlough)

7.

asked how many applications have been made by non-commissioned officers of the unattached list in the Secunderabad Division to go on furlough for the years 1910, 1911, and 1912; and how many passages were available in each such year?

The Secretary of State has not the information, but will ask the Government of India for it if the hon. Member so desires.

8.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether the custom of only allotting a limited number of passages to the unattached non-commissioned officers in India who desire furlough is in fact depriving them of their rights under the Army Regulations to come home on furlough after six years' service in India; and, if so, what steps he proposes to take?

The answer is in the negative. The Indian Army Regulations do not confer on unattached non-commissioned officers a right to a free passage to England with furlough after six years' service. The Regulations make this term of service a condition of eligibility, while restricting to 100 a year the number of free passages with furlough that may be granted to officers of this class. Applicants have to take their turn in order of length of service abroad, unless they like to pay the cost of a passage. The Secretary of State does not consider that the Regulation calls for amendment.

Lord Nicholson's Committee

9.

asked whether the, Committee presided over by Lord Nicholson has yet presented its Report?

The Secretary of State has no official information on the subject, but he understands that a Report has been submitted to the Government of India, by whom the Committee was appointed, and by whom any recommendations will in the first instance be dealt with.

Will the hon. Member bear in mind the desire on the part of many Members in this House to discuss the Report before any of the recommendations made are carried into effect?

I will bear it in mind, but I do not think that there is any probability of the Report being published at all.

First Lord Of The Admiralty (Ceremonial Recognition)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for War if, under the Regulations of the War Office, the First Lord of the Admiralty is entitled to any special ceremonial recognition; if so, what is the nature of the same; and, if there is no such special recognition, whether he will take steps to ensure that the high position occupied by the First Lord of the Admiralty is adequately recognised?

This matter is governed by paragraphs 1807 and 1810 of the King's Regulations. There is no intention of amending them.

North Midland Field Ambulance (Accident To Lieutenant Dawson)

11.

asked, in further reference to the accident to Lieutenant Dawson, of the North Midland Field Ambulance, if, when the accident referred to occurred, Lieutenant Dawson was occupied in the duty of taking a horse of the Territorial Force back to headquarters; and whether he was still on the manœuvring area in uniform, and in the company and under the command of Captain Wraith, a superior officer, by whom, if the accident had not happened, he would have been dismissed from duty on his arrival at headquarters?

I regret that I can add nothing to the answer given to a similar question on 22nd April of this year.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the final statement made in the question is true or not—that is, whether this officer was on military duty at the time?

There are always cases of hardship in dealing with questions of this kind, which are on the border line. I do not demur to the statement in the question, but what I said in answer to the previous question was that that did not bring this case within the Regulations.

Mineral Rights Duty

12.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer by which branch of the Inland Revenue Department Mineral Rights Duty is levied; and what is the estimated annual cost of levying such duty?

The Land Values Branch of the Secretaries' Office, London, and the Offices of the Assistant Secretary and Comptroller in Edinburgh and in Dublin are concerned with the levying of Mineral Rights Duty. It is not possible to separate with any approach to accuracy the cost of collecting this duty from the cost of collecting Inland Revenue Duties generally.

Increment Value Duty

13.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the dicta of the Lord Chancellor and Lords Shaw and Moulton in the recent case of the Commissioners of Inland Revenue v. Herbert and others, that original site value by reference to which Increment Value Duty is to be ascertained under Section 1 of the Finance (1909–10) Act, 1910, is not the assessable site value recorded in the valuation under Section 25, he will state how many assessments to Increment Value Duty have been made inaccurately; what steps he proposes to take to rectify the errors of the Commissioners; and by what method the correct amount of Increment Value Duty will be calculated?

I can at present add nothing to the reply which I gave on the 7th instant in answer to the questions of the hon. and learned Member for West St. Pancras and the hon. Member for Chelmsford.

Board Of Agriculture (Scotland)

14.

asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he is now in a position to make any statement in regard to additional appointments to the staff of the Board of Agriculture for Scotland?

I am not yet in a position to make any statement on the subject.

Nairobi

19.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he can state the result of his communications with the Governor of British East Africa with regard to the trial of an Italian at Nairobi, on 5th February last, on the charge of killing a native by kicking him in the stomach; and whether he is now prepared to consider a modification of the existing jury system in the case of capital charges in which racial feeling may be involved?

I understand from the Governor that he is not yet in a position to furnish me with a report on the jury system pending the result of the personal inquiry which he is making. A despatch is now on its way to me which presumably will contain information as to the trial of the Italian.

Will the right hon. Gentleman lay Papers with reference to the whole question when the right time arrives?

If and when the right time arrives for the Papers to be laid they will be laid. I will consider the question.

Will the right hon. Gentleman kindly inform me when he receives the Report as to the trial of the Italian, which has already been very long delayed?

20.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been called to the result of the sale of Government land by public auction at Nairobi on 7th April last, at which all the plots but two were bought by a single purchaser; whether many of these plots were sold less than an hour after at four times the price paid to the Government; and whether he proposes to substitute for this method of sale some system which will be more likely to meet the needs of small buyers who are prepared to settle upon farms themselves and do not merely buy to re-sell?

I have no information from the Governor as to the result of the sale to which my hon. friend refers. I have seen an account in the local papers which bear out his statements, but I may point out that the plots in question were offered for residential purposes in Nairobi, and were not farms.

Aircraft

Aeroplanes And Hydroplanes

24.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty the number of aeroplanes and hydroplanes which Italy and Austria possess; whether the Admiralty proposes to make provision for an aerial service for co-operating with the Mediterranean fleet; and if any steps have been taken for the construction and equipment of an airship station or stations for this purpose?

My right hon. Friend does not wish to make any statement on this subject.

Are we to understand that the House is not to be informed what is to be done?

Royal Navy

Mediterranean Fleet

25.

asked the number of vessels of the pre-"Dreadnought," "Dreadnought," and armoured cruiser types composing the present Mediterranean fleets of Italy, Austria, and Germany, the additions which will have been made by 1915, the number of vessels now comprising this country's Mediterranean Fleet, and the number of vessels now under construction or about to be laid down which are ear-marked for Mediterranean service, over and above the numbers requisite for securing a 60 per cent. superiority in Home waters?

My right hon. Friend has nothing to add to the information contained in the Dickinson Return circulated to the House on the 20th March last; and wishes me to say that it is neither good strategy nor appropriate terminology to "ear-mark" ships of war to particular stations.

Trafalgar Square (Public Meetings)

28 and 29.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) whether, in the event of a sufficient sum being raised by public subscription to defray the cost of erecting along the North side of Trafalgar Square small platforms properly constructed to facilitate open-air speaking, he will confer with the other Departments interested as to the possibility of permitting the erection of the platforms suggested; (2) seeing that the scenes which occurred on Sunday, 4th May, in Trafalgar Square were to a great extent due to ignorance on the part of the public of the Regulation that in its own interest speaking cannot be permitted from the South side of the Nelson Monument, whether he will consult with the other Departments interested as to the desirability of erecting along the North side of the square a series of small platforms, properly constructed to facilitate open-air speaking, in order that on occasions of public interest the crowd may be attracted by natural means away from Cockspur Street and the other thoroughfares on the South of the square?

I will consider whether such an arrangement as is suggested is practicable and desirable, and will consult the First Commissioner of Works.

Motor Traffic Regulations (Metropolis)

30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware that the Orders issued by the President of the Local Government Board prohibiting the use of open cut-outs are not infrequently disregarded by motorists and motor cyclists within the Metropolitan area; and whether he will issue further instructions to the police in this matter?

As I stated in answer to a question on the 1st May, the Order of the Local Government Board has been communicated to all ranks of the Metropolitan police, with an explanatory memorandum; and they will endeavour to enforce it so far as this can be done by persons not possessing technical knowledge. I stated then that I proposed to address a circular on the subject to police forces in England and Wales. This has now been done.

Derrick Cranes (Inspection)

31

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department wehther his attention has been called to the jury's verdict and the coroner's comments in connection with the death of a crane signalman while working for the General Building Company on 24th April in High Holborn; if he is aware that the jury expressed an opinion that inspectors should have the power to inspect the Scotch derrick cranes and should always be fitted with a double chain; if he is aware that the chairman of the London County Council Building Acts Committee stated that for the past ten years representations have been made from time to time to the Home Office to have such cranes properly inspected; and if he intends taking any action in the matter?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer which I gave on the 8th of this month to a question on the same subject by the hon. Member for the Westhoughton Division of Lancashire. I have not seen any such statement by the chairman of the London County Council Building Acts Committee, nor am I aware of any such representations having been made to me by the county council.

Is there any prospect of the Public Works and Engineering Bill being introduced this Session?

My hon. Friend knows that the state of public business at the present moment is very crowded, and that I am unable to make any statement as to the introduction of any further Bills.

Will the right hon. Gentleman make inquiries of the Opposition to see if they will regard this matter as non-contentious, as it is purely for the defence of the workmen engaged in the special industry?

Railway Rates And Wages

32, 33, 34 and 35.

asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) how many men of the age of twenty-one years or over employed on all the railways of the United Kingdom are at present in receipt of earnings of less than 20s. per week; (2) what increases in passenger rates have been generally instituted by the railway companies of the United Kingdom since August, 1911 and whether he has any official information that would enable him to state the increase in the annual income of the companies resulting from these increased rates; (3) whether he has any official information showing what additional income per annum will accrue to the railway companies of the United Kingdom from an increase of 4 per cent. in goods rates; and (4) what is approximately the total amount paid by the railway companies of the United Kingdom per annum owing to increased rates of wages since October, 1911?

The Board of Trade have no official information which would enable me to answer the hon. Member's inquiries.

Will the right hon. Gentleman explain how his Department or the Railway and Canal Commissioners are going to see that the Act passed last March will be carried into effect, and that the increases in rates are confined to meeting improved labour conditions?

The increase must be due solely to the improved conditions of labour of the men in the employment of the company.

Have they already proved that before the Railway and Canal Commissioners before notifying the increases in rates which are to come into force in July?

Persons who have any complaint to make can bring it before the Railway and Canal Commissioners, and then the companies will have to prove their case.

Is it a fact that, although they have all given notice of an increase of 4 per cent., they have not given a general increase of 4 per cent. to the men?

London County Council Tramways (Greenwich Power Station)

36.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been called to the recent breakdown at the London County Council power station at Greenwich; if he is aware that the breakdown was caused by overloading the machinery in consequence of there not being enough machinery to generate the amount of power required for general use; and if he will cause an inquiry to be held in connection with the recent breakdown?

I am informed by the London County Council that the breakdown in question occurred in consequence of a cotter falling out of the high-pressure piston rod of one of the engines, and that there is no foundation for the suggestion that the mishap was caused by overloading the machinery. I hardly think that an inquiry such as my hon. Friend suggests would serve any useful purpose.

Motor Vehicles

37.

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether he is yet in a position to make any statement in regard to the prohibition of dazzling headlights on motor cars in well-lighted streets?

I have arranged for some investigations on the subject of glare from headlights being conducted by the National Physical Laboratory. The investigations are still in progress.

38.

asked whether, in view of the varied nature, of, the noises, made by warning instruments on motor vehicles, he can hold out hopes of steps being taken to obtain so far as possible, uniformity of sound?

Some sort of uniformity is secured in the case of public carriages in London, where the Commissioner of Police requires the use of a horn emitting a deep toned note. As the law stands, I have no power to require the general use of one form of warning instrument by all motor cars, but I am considering whether anything can be done to secure some greater degree of uniformity than at present exists.

I find it very difficult to make an alteration without amending the existing law. As the hon. Member knows, a Bill has been suggested, and I am afraid I cannot make the alteration required unless an opportunity to amend the Motor Car Act occurs.

Newington Workhouse

39.

asked if the attention of the President of the Local Government Board has been called to an inquest held at Camberwell on Tuesday, 6th May, on two aged persons of the Newington Workhouse; if he is aware that a nurse stated at the inquest that there was only one nurse at that institution to 112 aged persons; if he is aware that the jury stated that there should be more nurses at that institution; and if he will make inquiries into the matter?

I have seen a newspaper report of the inquest. I understand that the aged persons at this institution are not in a condition necessitating medical or nursing treatment, being able to wash, dress, and generally look after themselves, and that the duties of the attendant entail no actual nursing. All cases that require skilled nursing are at once removed to the infirmary. I have, however, directed one of my medical inspectors to visit the workhouse and see whether the arrangements are satisfactory.

Relieving Officers

40.

asked whether the President of the Local Government Board is aware that the appointment of unqualified persons without a knowledge of the duties of the office as relieving officers inflicts hardship and suffering on the poor who are compelled to seek relief; that a hardship is inflicted on the selected candidate if his appointment cannot be confirmed, in that he has often given up his previous occupation and thus finds himself out of employment; that, should his appointment be confirmed, hardship is inflicted on the many qualified persons who, acting upon the recommendations of the Royal Commission, have given time and money to qualify and then find themselves passed over for unqualified persons; and whether, considering the doubt that exists amongst boards of guardians as to the proper interpretation of the Local Government Board's circular letter on the subject, he can see his way to adopt the recommendations of the Royal Commission on the matter and make an Order that no person be appointed relieving officer who has not had previous experience in the duties or obtained the certificate of a recognised examining board?

I have given a good deal of consideration to this question, and have issued two circular letters on the 18th March, 1910, and 25th March, 1912, impressing on boards of guardians the necessity of appointing suitable and well-qualified persons to the responsible office of relieving officer. I am not aware that doubt exists among boards of guardians as to the views of the Department in the matter, and I do not think it is either necessary or desirable at present to make any such rigid regulations as my hon. Friend suggests.

Government Of Ireland Bill (Ulster)

48.

asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland if he has given directions for the issue of a circular through the Irish Constabulary Inspector-General, requesting information as to the drilling of sections of the loyalist Protestant population in Belfast and the North of Ireland; and, if so, whether he can indicate the nature of the information received?

My right hon. Friend has given no such directions, but the police in the ordinary course of their duty keep the Government informed upon such matters. It would be contrary to practice to publish police reports which are absolutely confidential.

Land Purchase (Ireland)

49.

asked whether the Chief Secretary will have further inquiry made as to the possibility of providing Jeremiah D. Shea, Rossmore, Tahilla, with a holding on some untenanted land in compliance with the memorial forwarded to the Congested Districts Board?

The Congested Districts Board have had inquiries made in regard to the application of Mr. Jeremiah D. Shea, and they cannot provide him with a holding.

50.

asked whether the holding of Michael Sullivan, Cannig, Mastergeehy, on the D. C. O'Connell estate, was valued by the inspector of the Estates Commissioners at £120; and whether, in view of the fact that this estate has been bought by the Congested Districts Board and that Sullivan did not sign any purchase agreement, the holding will now be taken over at the price fixed by the former inspector and that this tenant will be treated on the same fair terms already granted to the other tenant who had not purchased?

The price placed upon the holding of Michael Sullivan on this estate by the inspector of the Estates Commissioners was £140, and not £120, as stated in the question. The Congested Districts Board will be prepared to sell the holding to the tenant in its unaltered condition at this price.

51.

asked whether the right hon. Gentleman is aware that two years expired on 10th May since the landlord of the Jermyn estate, near Caherdaniel, accepted the purchase price named by the Congested Districts Board; and whether, in view of the fact that no improvement works have been carried out since last January, he will state when the sale to the tenants will be definitely completed?

The estate referred to was vested in the Congested Districts Board in November last. The necessary drainage works have been completed on the estate, but at present some of the tenants are improving their dwelling houses and erecting new out-offices, with assistance from the Board. The estate is being resurveyed with a view to resale to the tenants, but it cannot be definitely stated when the resale will be completed.

52.

asked what was the average number of years' purchase valued for the townland of Laharan South, on the Colomb estate, near Cahirciveen, by the inspector of the Estates Commissioners; how many years' purchase was demanded by the landlord; and whether, in view of a possible arrangement and the approaching inspection of this estate by the Congested Districts Board, the tenants will be saved any further expenses by legal process for the recovery of rent?

The owner instituted proceedings before the Estates Commissioners for the sale of this property direct to the tenants under the Irish Land Act, 1903. The terms of sale were a matter of arrangement between the owner and the tenants, and the Commissioners were not parties thereto. The Commissioners refused to declare the lands fit to be regarded as an estate for the purposes of sale, and the owner is now in negotiation with the Congested Districts Board with a view to the purchase of the property. The Board have had the estate inspected, and hope to consider the question of making an offer for its purchase at their next meeting. They cannot interfere in any legal proceedings instituted by the owner for the recovery of rent or interest due by the tenants.

Income Tax (Final Notices)

26.

asked what was the date fixed for the year 1912–13 before which the notices for Income Tax which contained threats of costs in seven days could not be sent out; and is the system of the Treasury that, after that date, it is entirely in the option of the collector of a district whether he thereupon sends out the threatening notices or waits at his discretion?

No special instructions as to the date of issue of the final notices for payment of Income Tax were given for the year 1912–13. Under the Standing Instructions, the earliest date at which such notices would be issued is 2nd February. As the hon. Member was informed in my answer of 7th May, the actual dates of issue of final notices vary only within narrow limits, and depend on circumstances which are not entirely within the control of the collector.

Marriages By Bishop Matthews (Holy Trinity, Sloane Street)

44.

asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware of the doubts as to the legality of certain marriages performed at Holy Trinity, Sloane Street, owing to their having been solemnised by a certain Bishop Matthews, alias Pavoleri, who was never in the holy orders of the Church of England; whether he will give facilities for a Bill legalising these marriages, on which doubt has been cast; and whether, to prevent the recurrence of similar cases, he will introduce legislation for a uniform system of civil marriage?

The Prime Minister has asked me to answer this question. Any doubt as to the validity of these marriages can be removed by a Provisional Order, and I am now in communication with the Registrar-General and the Bishop of London in the matter. As regards the last part of the question, I can add nothing to previous answers given on this subject by the Prime Minister.