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Clause 8—(Regulations As To Imported Milk)

Volume 65: debated on Thursday 30 July 1914

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The Local Government Board shall make regulations under the Public Health (Regulations as to Food) Act, 1907, for the prevention of danger arising to public health from the importation of milk and milk products intended for sale, for human consumption, or for use in the manufacture of products for human consumption.

had given notice of an Amendment, after the word "importation" to insert the words "into Great Britain."

May I point out that the whole object of this Amendment is to prevent milk or milk products being imported from Ireland. I suggest that it would be in order, as intended by this Clause, to check any milk products being imported from outside the United Kingdom, as it stands at present, which may result in disease to human beings, or unfair competition with the home producer.

The hon. Member's Amendment says "Great Britain." This Bill does not apply to Scotland, and the powers of the Local Government Board do not apply to Scotland.

May I be allowed, if it is not strictly in order, to move it in the form of "England and Wales"? It comes to exactly the same thing so far as I am concerned. The only difficulty is that you cannot impose restrictions very easily on the border between England and Scotland. I am quite prepared to move it in this form.

This Bill does not apply to Scotland. Therefore the importation must be an importation into England and Wales.

I beg to move to add, at the end of the Clause, the words "and this shall apply to milk imported from Ireland unless similar regulations to those contained in this Act are also made and enforced in Ireland."

6.0 P.M.

The object of this Amendment is to secure in England and Wales that the farmers, as far as possible, may have the same chances as those in Ireland. As I understand the Clause, the milk may be imported from Ireland, and it need not necessarily be under the same regulations in Ireland as in this country. But, unless there are the same regulations in Ireland as there are in this country, the milk from Ireland ought to be subject to the same examination as the milk coming from other countries. If Ireland has Home Rule and makes her own regulations, the right hon. Gentleman will not, I think, have any power to make the same regulations for Ireland as for England and Wales. If that be so, the Irish farmer would have a considerable advantage over the farmers of England and Wales, because he would not be subject to any of the restrictions contained in this Bill.

I think that this Amendment is already covered by what is in the Bill. Still, I will allow it, with that explanation.

I think the word "importation" implies importation from foreign countries, and that consequently the Clause as drafted will not apply to imported goods that come from any part of the United Kingdom. The hon. Member is making a proposal setting up a separate system as between England and Ireland, a thing very much objected to on the other side in another connection. All goods which come into England and Wales from Ireland are examined at the port of entry in the same way as we propose that milk from Normandy or abroad is to be examined.

I am sorry to hear this disruptive tendency from that quarter. Milk from Ireland will be subject to the Regulations here. Ireland has already her own code of laws dealing with the purity of the milk supply, and always has had her own code of laws, and they will remain. As a matter of fact, under the provisions of the Bill, the Regulations made under Clause 2, milk sold in this country would be sampled from time to time, with a view to detecting diseased or dirty milk, and they would apply as much to milk from Ireland as to milk which reached us from Kent, Northumberland, or any county in this country. The milk which is consumed in this country will be subjected to the Regulations that apply in this country, and I do not think that the hon. Member's Amendment is really at all needed, while it contains the rather bad principle of discriminating between goods from Ireland and goods from England and Wales.

The question I want to put to the President of the Local Government Board is this: He says that milk which comes from Ireland or from Kent, Northumberland, and other parts of the United Kingdom, is going to be treated equally, and is to be subjected to the same Regulations. But in the case of milk sold in England which is produced in Kent or Northumberland, you are able to get a producer. How are you going to get at the Irish producer? The jurisdiction of the right hon. Gentleman does not extend to Ireland.

Suppose there should be sold in this country some milk that is inferior you might take proceedings, if the seller is able to show that the impurity in the milk arose in Ireland. But how are you going to get at the Irish producer? That is the point I want to put to the right hon. Gentleman, and I should be very glad of an answer.

There are two objects which this Bill seeks to fulfil. One is to prevent the English and Welsh consumer from being poisoned or injured by diseased or dirty milk; and the other, which is particularly provided for in this Clause, is to prevent the British milk producer from being damnified by unfair competition with the dirty or diseased products of other countries. The right hon. Gentleman has told us that it has a disruptive tendency to move such Amendments as this. It has not a disruptive tendency. If there be a disruptive tendency at all it really lies in our having three separate Local Government Boards set up in the three different parts of the United Kingdom, and not only three separate Departments, but we shall have now three different Acts relating to the milk supply of the three different countries. It depends entirely upon the relative drastic character of the legislation and the relative drastic administration of the three countries as to whether one of the countries will suffer injustice in the competition between the milk supplied by the three. If it is unfair that the English consumer should be poisoned with Dutch milk or Dutch cheese, so it is equally unfair that the English consumer should be poisoned with Irish milk or Irish cheese. If it be unfair that the English producer should be damnified in competition with impure products from Denmark or from Holland, surely it is equally unfair that he should be damnified by competition with impure products from Ireland! They are under totally different Acts of Parliament, and under totally different local administration. As my hon. Friend pointed out, the time is coining, though we hope not, when Ireland will be entirely under its own legislative control, and nothing that we can say in this House will affect the administration of the. particular Department in Ireland which has to deal with these matters. Surely it is only fair, both in the interests of the consumer and the British milk producer, that we should make this law which prevents the importation of impure milk from abroad apply equally to Ireland as to any other country across the sea!

I cannot understand the Amendment being put on the ground which the last speaker stated, unless he contemplates that the Irish Legislature shall deal with the whole of Ireland without any reservation as regards the North-East corner. The Amendment clearly shows a bias against Ireland. Why is not Scotland mentioned or the Channel Islands, and why is Ireland picked out alone? The hon. Gentleman who has just spoken said there would probably be a Legislature in Dublin. What is the meaning of that? If we are to have a Home Rule Debate to-day, I could understand it; otherwise I cannot see why Ireland should be singled out and no other country in Europe.

When I first saw the Amendment I did not think there was very much in it, because I was of opinion that the Regulations for dealing with imported milk and imported milk products brought into the country to which this Bill applies, namely, England and Wales, from wherever they came, would be subject to those Regulations. But the right hon. Gentleman has put an entirely different complexion upon it, and I think he has made a convincing speech in favour of the principle of the Amendment moved by my hon. Friend beside me, because he told us that the word "importation," in his opinion, implies importation from foreign countries. We have to look at the effect of this Bill from the point of view of the consumer of milk and milk products. It has been thought necessary to make special Regulations dealing with milk and milk products brought to this country, and surely those necessary Regulations apply to all parts of the world. I think the hon. Member for Pontefract (Mr. Booth) is right, that the Amendment should apply to more than Ireland. He knows as well as I do that it is not intended that the wording of the Amendment should be directed to Ireland alone. Though, I think, it might be necessary to put it in a different form, yet I think the principle is good, unless the right hon. Gentleman can see fit to assure us that the word "importation" shall have only its ordinary and common-sense meaning, and shall not apply merely to milk from foreign countries.

If the milk sent from Ireland into this country is impure, is it the wholesale dealer in Ireland who can be punished?

Cannot proceedings be taken against the wholesale dealer who has sent the milk from Ireland to this country? The object of the Bill is a very laudable one, namely, to secure a supply of pure milk, and surely there should be some means by which to prevent impure milk being sent over!

Samples of the milk are taken in this country on its way from the person in Ireland to the retailer in this country, and if the milk be found impure the Irish sender could be prosecuted, if he is the person who sent the impure milk to this country.

How are you going to prosecute him? If Home Rule is established, how are you going to bring him into the jurisdiction?

In reply to the hon. Member for Pontefract (Mr. Booth), I would point out that for Scotland there is a Milk and Dairies Bill which is intended to fulfil the same end as this Bill, namely, that milk should be clean and pure. There is nothing of the kind in Ireland. English dairymen are called on to make special efforts and special outlay to see that cattle sheds and everything connected with the production of milk are kept in good order. If Ireland is excluded, no such conditions will apply to the Irish dairies. Ireland sends large quantities of milk and milk products to this country, and there is danger of those being impure and no means of getting at the producer in order to correct that state of things. That is a special protection to the Irish producer of milk as against the English, and when English producers are prepared to take the necessary steps to ensure pure milk, we say that the Irishmen ought to be put on the same level.

We ought to do one of two things. We ought to make this apply to England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, or put Irish products under the same Regulations as products from abroad. I understand that the provisions of the Bill for Scotland are practically the same as those of this Bill.

I do not know that much milk comes from them, but we do know that a very large quantity of milk and milk products comes from Ireland, and therefore Ireland ought to be brought under this Bill, or under the Regulations applied to milk from abroad. I would like to know what kind of Regulations the right hon. Gentleman proposes with regard to milk from abroad, and I think those Regulations ought to apply to Ireland.

I desire to support this Amendment if it is really necessary, but it does appear to me that the right hon. Gentleman's interpretation of the Clause is open to some doubt. We find in Clause 18 it is distinctly stated that this Act shall not apply to Scotland or to Ireland, and consequently I should have thought that any milk coming from countries outside the scope of the Act would be milk imported, and consequently subjected to Clause 8. It is all very well for the right hon. Gentleman to say that he has some other idea in his mind, but this Bill will be strictly interpreted, and a proper legal definition will, of course, be given to the word "imported" apart from anything he may say. I would remind him that we have had a great deal of discussion with regard to the Importation of Arms Proclamation in Ireland. There the interpretation which the right hon. Gentleman puts is not in the least degree accepted, as to arms imported from Great Britain to Ireland, and not from a foreign country. It seems to me that his interpretation is not correct, or that, at any rate, it is entirely exceptional. If that is so, this Amendment is not necessary. If the right hon. Gentleman is correct, that certainly urges me very strongly to support the hon. Member who moved this Amendment. I think it is most desirable that Irish milk should be under the same supervision and care as milk produced in this country. Otherwise it is giving a very unfair advantage to the Irish producer, to the disadvantage of the English producer. In view of all the changes which are supposed to be going to take place with regard to the Government of Ireland, I think it is very essential that we should take this very necessary precaution, if the right hon. Gentleman's interpretation of the Clause is correct, though I doubt it, and under those circumstances I shall certainly support the Amendment.

By leave of the House, may I say as to the points raised I am advised that importation, certainly under the Customs Act, means importation from a foreign country. That is the interpretation usually applied to it. It may be a point of doubt, and a nice legal point, whether in this Act it would bear the same interpretation. If it does not bear the interpretation put upon it by the hon. Member, well and good, then this Amendment is obviously unnecessary, and I am sure hon. Members need not press it if they hold that view. The hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Mr. Forster) says how can we get at the Irish producer. He must be dealt with by the Irish law as the Scottish producer is dealt with by the Scottish law. The hon. Member for Mansfield (Sir A. Markham) asked if under Home Rule we should be able to summon a person from Ireland to answer a charge of selling contaminated milk or infected milk in this country. I am advised we can, and that Home Rule makes no difference at all, and that the summons would be by the same procedure as is now available. Hon. Members opposite have asked as to the character of the regulations with regard to foreign imports with respect to milk requiring certificates. There is one Government which sends us milk, that is France, requiring certain certificates with regard to inspection and the condition of the dairies from which the milk comes, and only about £2,000 worth comes from there. In Ireland there is already a very elaborate code of laws dealing with milk, and now that the Irish milk trade is highly organised through co-operative creameries, there really seems to be very little necessity for a specific provision of this kind. As a matter of fact, the whole of this Clause is really quite unnecessary. It was only put in to meet the. pressure of hon. Members opposite. We have got powers now, the amplest powers, under other Acts to make regulations with regard to food products which are imported into this country or come from Ireland or Scotland, or the Isle of Man, or the Channel Islands. This is merely put in in order to meet certain representations that were made to us, and it really seems quite unnecessary in the United Kingdom to require provisions such as the hon. Member suggests.

The right hon. Gentleman tells us that this is a point of doubtful legal interpretation as to whether this Clause does or does not extend to the bringing of milk into this country from Ireland. If it is doubtful, it is not fair that the House, knowing it to be so, should intentionally leave it for the Courts to say hereafter what they intended. When the Minister in charge of the Bill says he does not know, and that the meaning of the Clause is doubtful, how can the Court possibly say what the Legislature intended if the Legislature itself sends the Bill out to the world knowing that it is an uncertain point.

This will not be a matter for the Courts at all; this is a Clause which imposes an obligation on the Local Government Board and the Local Government Board does not propose to make any Regulations with regard to Ireland.

The right hon. Gentleman can only speak for the Board so long as he is President. A question may arise as to whether the Local Government Board has exceeded its jurisdiction. I do submit, if it is a doubtful point, it ought to be cleared up. Some Members are in favour of extending it to Ireland, and others are opposed, but whichever view we take the matter ought to be made clear.

I will consider whether any drafting Amendment is needed before the Bill goes to another place.

The right hon. Gentleman has really now put himself in a position in which he should tell the House clearly what will be done, because if I understood him rightly it is not a question of what the Courts will decide, but of what the Local Government Board will do. Surely the House has the right to ask him to tell us what the Local Government Board are going to do, and what interpretation they are going to put upon the word "imported."

May I ask whether in his view, assuming that Ireland is out of the Section, the Local Government Board is entitled to differentiate as between different countries which send milk and milk products into this country, or whether it is intended that these Regulations should apply to all milk imported, because there is a suggestion of differentiation in the case of Ireland which suggests possible differentiation in other cases.

That is a point I will consider in connection with the other point raised by the hon. Member for West St. Pancras.

Even now we are not quite clear as to this matter. The right hon. Gentleman has told us that he will consider the Clause as it stands and the power as to making Regulations. He says the Clause is not necessary, but what is he going to do? Is he going to make those Regulations extend to Ireland or not?

Our point is, if you are going to have certain regulations to protect the supply of milk, those regulations should protect the supply all round. Scotland is to have those regulations. The hon. Member opposite complains that the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not included, and also mentions Scotland, but Scotland has a Bill of its own.

It has no regulations corresponding with these. They are much less searching in character. If the hon.

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AYES.

6.32 p.m.

Agg-Gardner, James TynteGilmour, Captain JohnPryce-Jones, Colonel E.
Anstruther-Gray, Major WilliamGlazebrook, Captain Philip K.Ratcliff, R. F.
Baird, John LawrenceGoldman, C. S.Ronaldshay, Earl of
Banbury, Sir Frederick GeorgeGrant, J. A.Rutherford, John (Lanes., Darwen)
Barnston, HarryGretton, JohnSalter, Arthur Clavell
Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton)Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds)Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh HicksGwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne)Samuel, Samuel (Wandsworth)
Beckett, Hon. GervaseHamilton, C. G. C. (Ches., Altrincham)Sanders, Robert Arthur
Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich)Harris, Leverton (Worcester, East)Sanderson, Lancelot
Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish-Havelock-Allan, Sir HenrySandys, G. J.
Bigland, AlfredHelmsley, ViscountSpear, Sir John Ward
Bird, AlfredHerbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.)Stanley, Major Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. GriffithHewins, William Albert SamuelStrauss, Arthur (Paddington, North)
Boyle, William (Norfolk, Mid)Hickman, Colonel Thomas E.Talbot, Lord Edmund
Bridgeman, William CliveHills, John WallerTerrell, George (Wilts, N. W.)
Bull, Sir William JamesHope, Major J. A. (Midlothian)Tickler, T. G.
Burn, Colonel C. R.Houston, Robert PatersonTouche, George Alexander
Butcher, John GeorgeHume-Williams, William EllisTryon, Captain George Clement
Carlile, Sir Edward HildredJessel, Captain H. M.Valentia, Viscount
Cassel, FelixKyffin-Taylor, G.Watson, Hon. W.
Cautley, H. S.Lloyd, George Butler (Shrewsbury)Weigall, Captain A. G.
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin)Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury)Weston, Colonel J. W.
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W.Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lieut-Colonel A. R.Wheler, Granville C. H.
Clay, Captain H. H. SpenderLyttelton, Hon. J. C.White, Major G. D. (Lanes., Southport)
Coates, Major Sir Edward FeethamM'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's)White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E. R.)
Courthope, George LoydMildmay, Francis BinghamWilson, Captain Leslie O. (Reading)
Currie, George W.Neville, Reginald J. N.Wolmer, Viscount
Duke, Henry EdwardNewdegate, F. A.Wood, Hon. E. F. L. (Yorks, Ripon)
Eyres-Monsell, Bolton M.Newman, John R. P.Worthington Evans, L.
Falle, Bertram GodfrayNield, HerbertYate, Colonel Charles Edward
Fell, ArthurOrde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.Younger, Sir George
Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir RobertPease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Flannery, Sir J. FortescuePerkins, Walter F.

TELLERS FOR THE AYES— Mr.

Fletcher, John SamuelPretyman, Ernest GeorgeHunt and Mr. Stanier.
Forster, Henry WilliamProthero, Rowland Edmund

NOES.

Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour)Arnold, SydneyBarran, Sir John N. (Hawick Burghs)
Acland, Francis DykeBaker, Harold T. (Accrington)Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.)
Addison, Dr. ChristopherBaker, Joseph Allen (Flnsbury, E.)Beale, Sir William Phipson
Agnew, Sir George WilliamBalfour, Sir Robert (Lanark)Beauchamp, Sir Edward
Alden, PercyBarlow, Sir John Emmott (Somerset)Bentham, George Jackson
Armitage, RobertBarnes, George N.Bethell, Sir J. H.

Member for Pontefract wants this to apply-to the Channel Islands and to the Isle of Man, as well as to foreign countries, let him move to that effect, and the details can easily be amended. What we want to get from the right hon. Gentleman is an assurance that he will take care that all milk brought into this country, including milk brought in from Ireland, is in a pure condition. That is our position. That is our point, but apparently the right hon. Gentleman is not going to meet it. In these circumstances our only course is to divide on the Amendment, and test the opinion of the House as to whether the people of this country are to be liable to have improperly supervised milk which may be sent from Ireland. I cannot understand why the right hon. Gentleman does not accept the Amendment, unless he has some motive which he has not explained to the House.

Question put, "That those words be there inserted in the Bill."

The House divided: Ayes, 101; Noes, 25–2.

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Boland, John PiusHobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.O'Shee, James John
Booth, Frederick HandelHodge, JohnOuthwaite, R. L.
Bowerman, Charles W.Hogge, James MylesPalmer, Godfrey Mark
Boyle, Daniel (Mayo, North)Horner, Andrew LongParker, James (Halifax)
Brady, Patrick JosephHudson, WalterPearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Brunner, John F. L.Hughes, Spencer LeighPhillips, John (Longford, S.)
Bryce, J. AnnanJohn, Edward ThomasPollard, Sir George H.
Buckmaster, Sir Stanley O.Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Sw'nsea)Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Burns, Rt. Hon. JohnJones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil)Pratt, J. W.
Burt, Rt. Hon. ThomasJones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central)
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North)Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East)Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Byles, Sir William PollardJones, Leif (Notts, Rushcliffe)Pringle, William M. R.
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich)Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)Radford, G. H.
Cawley, Harold T. (Lancs, Heywood)Jones, William S. Glyn- (Stepney)Raffan, Peter Wilson
Chancellor, Henry GeorgeJowett, Frederick WilliamRea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields)
Chapple, Dr. William AllenJoyce, MichaelRea, Walter Russell (Scarborough)
Clancy, John JosephKeating, MatthewReddy, Michael
Clough, WilliamKelly, EdwardRedmond, John E. (Waterford)
Clynes, John R.Kennedy, Vincent PaulRedmond, William (Clare, E.)
Collins, Sir Stephen (Lambeth)Kilbride, DenisRedmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.)
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J.King, JosephRichardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A.Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton)Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Cowan, W. H.Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade)Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs)
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth)Lardner, James C. R.Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Crooks, WilliamLaw, Hugh A. (Donegal, West)Robertson, John M. (Tyneside)
Crumley, PatrickLawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th)Robinson, Sidney
Culinan, JohnLeach, CharlesRoch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy)Levy, Sir MauriceRoe, Sir Thomas
Davies, Ellis William (Eifion)Lewis, Rt. Hon. John HerbertRowlands, James
Davies, Timothy (Lincs, Louth)Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich)Rowntree, Arnold
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.)Lundon, ThomasRussell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W.
Dawes, James ArthurLyell, Charles HenrySamuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Delany, WilliamLynch, Arthur AlfredSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Denman, Hon. Richard DouglasMacdonald, J. Ramsay (Leicester)Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton)
Devlin, JosephMacdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs)Sheehy, David
Dickinson, Rt. Hon. Willoughby H.Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J.Sherwell, Arthur James
Dillon, JohnMacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South)Shortt, Edward
Donelan, Captain A.MacVeagh, JeremiahSimon, Rt. Hon. Sir John Allsebrook
Doris, WilliamM'Callum, Sir John M.Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Duffy, William J.McKenna, Rt. Hon. ReginaldSmyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness)M'Micking. Major GilbertSpicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert
Duncan, Sir J. Hastings (Yorks, Otley)Markham, Sir Arthur BasllStrauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West)
Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.)Marks, Sir George CroydonSutherland, John E.
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor)Marshall, Arthur HaroldSutton, John E.
Edwards, John Hugh (Glamorgan, Mid)Mason, David M. (Coventry)Taylor, Theodore C. (Radclitfe)
Elverston, Sir HaroldMeagher, MichaelTaylor, Thomas (Bolton)
Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.)Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.)Tennant, Rt. Hon. Harold John
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Essex, Sir Richard WalterMillar, James DuncanThorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Falconer, JamesMolloy, MichaelThorne, William (West Ham)
Farrell, James PatrickMolteno, Percy AlportToulmin, Sir George
Fenwick, Rt. Hon. CharlesMond, Rt. Hon. Sir AlfredTrevelyan, Charles Philips
Fetherstonhaugh, GodtreyMontagu, Hon. E. S.Verney, Sir Harry
Ftrench, PeterMooney, John J.Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., lnce)
Fitzgibbon, JohnMorgan, George HayWard, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Fiavin, Michael JosephMorrell, PhilipWaring, Walter
Furness, Sir Stephen WilsonMorison, HectorWebb, H.
George, Rt. Hon. D. LloydMorton, Alpheus CleophasWhite, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Gladstone, W. G. C.Muldoon, JohnWhite, Patrick (Meath, North)
Glanville, Harold JamesMunro, Rt. Hon. RobertWhittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Greig, Colonel J. W.Murphy, Martin J.Whyte, Alexander F. (Perth)
Griffith, Rt. Hon. Ellis JonesMurray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.Wiles, Thomas
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway)Needham, Christopher T.Wilkie, Alexander
Hackett, JohnNeilson, FrancisWilliams, Aneurin (Durham, N. W.)
Hall, Frederick (Yorks, Normanton)Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster)Williams, John (Glamorgan)
Hancock, John GeorgeNolan, JosephWilliams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis (Rossendale)Norton, Captain Cecil W.Williamson, Sir Archibald
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose)Nugent, Sir Walter RichardWilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Hardie, J. KeirNuttall, HarryWilson, Rt. Hon. J. W. (Worcs., N.)
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire)O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, West)O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)Wing, Thomas Edward
Hayden, John PatrickO'Connor, T. p. (Liverpool)Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glasgow)
Hayward, EvanO'Doherty, PhilipYeo, Alfred William
Hazleton, RichardO'Dowd, JohnYoung, William (Perthshire, East)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.)Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Henderson, John M. (Aberdeen, W.)O'Malley, William
Henry, Sir CharlesO'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.)

TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.

Higham, John SharpO'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)Gulland and Mr. Wedgwood Bonn.