House Of Commons
Monday, 9th July, 1917.
The House met at a Quarter before Three of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.
Private Business
Bristol Water Bill,
Cork Improvement Bill,
Lords Amendments considered, and agreed to.
Munitions (Health Of Munition Workers)
Copy presented of Memorandum, No. 18 (Appendix to Memorandum No. 5 (Hours of Work), by the Health of Munition Workers Committee (Further Statistical Information concerning Output in relation to Hours of Work, with special reference to the influence of Sunday Labour) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Agriculture (Scotland)
Copy presented of Agricultural Statistics, 1915. Vol. IV., Part II. Returns of Produce of Crops in Scotland, with a Summary for the United Kingdom [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Aeronautics
Copy presented of Report of the Advisory Committee for Aeronautics for the year 1916–17 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Taxes (England And Wales, Scotland, And Ireland)
Return presented relative thereto [ordered 21st June; Mr. Ginnell] to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 107.]
Intermediate Education (Ireland)
Copy presented of the Report of the Intermediate Education Board for Ireland for the year 1916 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Ministry Of Pensions
Copy presented of Draft of a Royal Warrant for the Retired Pay of Officers disabled and for the Pensions of Families and Relatives of Officers deceased, and for the Pensions of Nurses disabled in consequence of the present war [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Experiments On Living Animals
Return presented relative thereto [Address 5th July; Mr. Brace]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 108.]
Oral Answers To Questions
War
Food Supplies
Export Or Foodstuffs
1.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if the steamship "Gowrie" was recently taken over by the Government, loaded with a consignment, and dispatched to Rotterdam; if so, for what country this food was intended; and whether, in view of the shortage of food and ships, he will consider the advisability of stopping any further supplies of foodstuffs being shipped out of the country?
My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply. I regret that I am not in a position to explain publicly the circumstances attending the shipment to which my hon. Friend refers, but I have given him the information privately.
Foxes
17.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is satisfied in all cases with the steps taken by the masters of foxhounds to keep down foxes in war-time; if so, what are the reasons which account for the continued destruction of poultry by foxes in many parts of the country; and whether he will call in the services of the county agricultural committees to secure the destruction of foxes?
The Board are satisfied with the steps which are being taken by the masters of foxhounds in response to their request to them to keep down foxes. Some destruction of poultry is certain to occur, but the complaints which the Board receive do not show that it is considerable. Existing arrangements provide for complaints being promptly taken up with the hunts concerned, and the Board at present see no reason to alter them to meet the suggestion of the hon. Member, especially as the work of the county agricultural committees is already very heavy. If the hon. Member will bring any specific cases to the Board's notice, they shall be promptly investigated.
Is the hon. Gentleman not aware that I did bring important cases to his notice recently, and have heard nothing since?
They have been dealt with.
May I have the answer in regard to it?
I shall send my hon. Friend the answer.
Agricultural Workers
18.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture what were the total number of agricultural workers before the War upon which the estimate has been based that between 300,000 and 350,000 have been lost to agriculture since the War; how many men have been lent to agriculture from the Army recently which are not included in the above figures; and at what date these latter men are due to return to the Army?
The number of agricultural workers in England and Wales before the War was approximately 1,000,000. Twenty-two thousand soldiers lent by the Army have been on the land since March last, and a further 12,000 have been lent for the hay harvest. None of these men are to be withdrawn until further notice. It is not possible to say how many of these 34,000 soldiers are men who have not had previous experience in agriculture, nor can the number of persons, male and female, be estimated who have voluntarily returned to the industry since the outbreak of war, or taken it up as work of national importance.
Sugar Beet
24.
asked the Vice-President of the Department of Agriculture (Ireland) whether he is aware that a Grant of £125,000 has been given to enable sugar beet manufacture in England; whether he is aware that the beet grown in Ireland gives a greater yield of saccharine than in most other countries; and whether, under those circumstances, he will apply for monetary assistance to start the industry in Ireland?
I understand that no Grant has been made as suggested, but that a sum of £125,000 has been lent from the Development Fund to the British Beet Growers' Society for the purchase of an estate and the establishment of the sugar beet industry as soon as circumstances permit. I believe the sugar beet grown on experimental plots in Ireland compares favourably in yield and quality with that grown in other countries. The Department of Agriculture have not applied for any Grant or loan for a sugar beet project; but they intend to keep in touch with the British Beet Growers' Society's work, as they have done with regard to previous similar projects.
69.
asked the Prime Minister whether this country at the outbreak of hostilities was practically dependent upon Germany and Austria for its supply of beet sugar; whether the British Dominions could with encouragement produce as much cane sugar as was previously imported by the enemies of the Empire; and what steps have been taken to encourage the developments of this potential supply in the interests of British consumers and Empire development?
The United Kingdom undoubtedly drew a large portion of its supplies of sugar from Germany and Austria prior to the outbreak of war; how far the British Empire could produce all the sugar which it needs depends on various considerations, and not least on the capital available and the supply of labour in the localities where sugar can be grown. As my hon. and gallant Friend is aware, the last question is at present surrounded by special difficulties which are now under discussion. I may add that steps are being taken in certain Colonies to increase the output of sugar by the erection of improved factories.
Is it not a fact that if the Government in 1914 had encouraged these Protectorates to produce sugar there would have been no famine at the present moment? May I also ask whether any steps are being taken now to deal with this question on a large scale, so that there need not be any sugar famine next year?
Everything is being done that can be done.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware with regard to the labour difficulty that labour is actually leaving the British Islands and going to Cuba and other United States possessions?
My hon. and gallant Friend knows what the difficulties are. It is not only the labour difficulty. The main difficulty is the question of tonnage.
Tea
26.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Shipping Controller whether, having regard to the scarcity ruling and high prices fixed for tea sold in London and the accumulation of stocks in Colombo and Calcutta, he can undertake to arrange that teas shall be carried from those ports to London at ¾d./1d., the rates which the Government state it costs them to carry teas for the Army, so as to effect a corresponding reduction in the wholesale and retail prices of distributors to the public?
The important point raised by my right hon. Friend's question is receiving very careful attention. In the meantime, I may say that the tea from Calcutta, which is roughly about two-thirds of the entire supply received from India and Ceylon, is already carried under pre-war freight contracts of about ¾d. per 1b., which is less than Blue Book rate, whereas tea from Colombo is carried at a freight of nearly 3d. per 1b. Unfortunately, however, the lower freight enjoyed by the greater part of the tea supply does not appear to be reflected in London market prices, and to this point we are specially directing the attention of the Food Controller.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the price in London is fixed by the Government, and will he undertake to consider, in conjunction with the Food Controller, whether the freight from Colombo cannot be reduced and the benefit secured to the public by fixing lower retail and wholesale prices?
I am sure my right hon. Friend will not expect me to trespass upon the difficult ground which is the province of the Food Controller, but the answer I have just given did state that I am bringing that particular point to the attention of my Noble Friend.
Bacon
35.
asked the President of the Local Government Board if he is aware that in an East End borough during one week bacon to the approximate value of £60,000 has been condemned; whether this was due to the delay in dealing with it on arrival and to the prices demanded; and, if so, what action is contemplated to put a stop to this waste?
I may refer the hon. Member to the reply given last Monday on behalf of the Food Controller to the hon. Member for Derby.
40.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he is aware that the weight of bacon which was condemned by the Metropolitan borough councils during May and part of June as unfit for human consumption amounted to nearly 9,000 cwt.; and has his Department taken any steps to prevent a repetition of this loss of meat by taking over or extending the cold storage accommodation available?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The circumstances leading to the condemnation of the bacon in question have already been explained in an answer given to the hon. Member for Derby on 2nd July. The whole of the bacon in question was either Danish or Dutch, and the fact that both these varieties are mild-cured, renders them unsuitable for cold storage. The second part of the question does not, therefore, arise.
41.
asked whether there have been any cages recently of bacon or similar foodstuffs going bad owing to inability to find proper storage or them; and, if so, whether private persons who have suitable storage will be encouraged to lay in stocks of such articles of food, thereby enabling the stocks of food held in this country to be increased?
I am not aware that any bacon or similar foodstuffs have recently gone bad for lack of proper storage. The second part of the question does not, therefore, arise.
Milk
42.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he is aware that the hon. Member for the Bridgeton Division of Glasgow, on the 15th of May last, called the attention of the Ministry of Food to the fact that certain farmers in the neighbourhood of Glasgow were charging 9d. per gallon for milk in excess of the corresponding price before the War instead of an excess of 6½d. per gallon as permitted by the Price of Milk Order; whether the matter was handed over to the milk section of the Ministry to deal with; and whether any action has been taken or is proposed to be taken?
The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative. The matter is now in the hands of the Procurator Fiscal.
Does that mean that legal proceedings are being taken?
The hon. Member knows what the duties and functions of the Procurator Fiscal are.
Shooting Game (Cartridges)
51.
asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware that the Food Controller has requested landlords to shoot as many pheasants, rabbits, etc., as possible while the Minister of Munitions refuses to allow them to purchase cartridges to do so; and whether he will take steps to see that the purchase of cartridges for the shooting of game is no longer obstructed?
Under the terms of the Order issued by competent military authorities, licences for the purchase of sporting cartridges may be issued where the War County Agricultural Committee is satisfied that they are required for destroying vermin or preserving crops. The policy embodied in the Order was adopted largely at the instance of the Food Production Department of the Board of Agriculture. I am not prepared to take the steps suggested in the last part of the question.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in the last two seasons over 30,000 head of game have been dispatched by one organisation to the London hospitals, and is the distribution of cartridges now to be exclusively confined to farmers, and none issued to any other persons for the destruction of game?
I take it the other persons would be able to obtain them if they satisfied the War Agricultural Committee that they would be thereby preserving crops. The reason for the Order is the shortage of lead.
Will the right hon. Gentleman not take into consideration the question of the provision of food? Has he nothing to do with the provision of food?
That is not within the province of the Minister of Munitions. So far as the Order is concerned, we are about to cut short many essential industries owing to the shortage of lead. This is one of the directions in which we have to stop the use of lead.
How much do you expect to save?
A large number of tons.
Ten tons?
I will answer that question if the hon. Member gives me notice.
Prices And Profiteering
65 and 66.
asked the Prime Minister (1) whether he can see his way clear to fix an early day for a Debate on food control prices and profiteering'; and whether, under these circumstances, he will arrange for the Debate to be opened by an official statement; and (2) whether, in view of profits from shareholdings in private and public companies which have been shown to be possible under present legislation and in view of the fact that this House is responsible for creating that legislation, he will now see his way clear to introduce further legislation to prevent such holdings by Members of this House?
The answer to these questions is still in the negative.
78.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he has any official information with regard to profiteering in the United Kingdom; and, if so, what steps, if any, the Government are taking to check and prevent it as far as possible?
I have nothing to add to the reply which I gave on this subject to the hon. Member for North-West Stafford on 27th June.
Potatoes
2.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if the Midland and Great Northern Railways Joint Committees are refusing transit facilities for potatoes at Holbeach, Lincolnshire, consigned to Kew Bridge Station, London; and whether, having regard to the prices obtaining for this article of food as for many others, partly the result of railway obstructions and delays in transit, he will cause unnecessary obstructions to be removed immediately?
I am not aware of the circumstances to which the right hon. Gentleman refers, but I will make inquiries and let him know the result.
Petrol Supplies
3.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what method is adopted by the Petrol Control Committee for the purpose of ascertaining the necessary requirements of persons to whom petrol licences are granted; and whether he is aware of the number of cases in which licences are held by persons who do not now use their own cars, thus creating opportunities for an abuse of the petrol regulations?
Applicants for petrol licences are required to fill in a form of application giving particulars of the motor vehicle used, the purposes for which it is used, the amount of petrol in stock, and the quantity required per month. I am not aware of the number of cases in which licences are held by persons who do not now use their own cars, but it is not the practice of the Petrol Control Department to grant licences to those to whom cars have been transferred unless the licences of the original holders have been surrendered.
4.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the petrol consumed by the Army abroad is first imported to this country or sent direct to France and the other fronts?
Almost the whole of the petrol consumed by the Armies abroad is shipped direct and does not come to this country at all.
30.
asked the Home Secretary how many able-bodied men are employed by the Metropolitan police to trap motorists, in view of the fact that the Petrol Committee refuse to grant petrol to persons whose cars are not used for war work?
No members of the Force are exclusively allocated to enforcing the provisions of the Motor Car Act; qualified men are employed on this duty from time to time as the necessity arises.
Shale Oil
5.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the production of shale petrol in Scotland is now larger than ever; and whether there is sufficient storage for the output?
As a result of the steps which have been taken, there has been an increase in the production of shale oil in Scotland, but it is hoped that a still further increase may be obtained in the near future. I am informed that ample storage accommodation is available.
Naturalisation Act
6.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will state how many members of the firm of Suter, Hartman, and Rahtjens, Limited, are naturalised British subjects of German nationality; how many of these have forfeited their rights to German nationality; and whether the Government will consider the question of extending the provisions of the Naturalisation Act so as not to allow naturalised German subjects the full privileges regarding Government contracts and the holding of shares, etc., that are enjoyed by British subjects of British parentage?
Three naturalised British subjects of German origin, two of whom were naturalised in 1877 and the other in 1883, hold shares in the company referred to. Two of these shareholders obtained denaturalisation certificates with regard to their German nationality and I am informed that the third did not consider such a certificate necessary because he was born before 1848. I must refer the hon. and gallant Member to my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary with regard to any question of amending the naturalisation law.
Mesopotamia Commission
7.
asked the Secretary of State for India whether Sir William Meyer, the finance member of the Governor-General's Council, made any and, if so, what report or gave any and, if so, what advice in respect of the construction of a transport railway in Mesopotamia demanded by General Nixon for strategic reasons which were not endorsed by General Sir Beauchamp Duff, then Commander-in-Chief in India?
I hope that my hon. Friend will allow me to reserve what I have to say on this subject till Thursday's Debate.
8.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of Lord Hardinge's statement in his letter dated 21st July, 1916, to Sir George Buchanan respecting Bratiano, he will state whether this refers to M. Bratiano, Prime Minister of Roumania; and, if so, whether Lord Hardinge has been, or will be, asked to apologise to the Roumanian Minister in London for this indiscretion?
I have nothing to add to the reply returned to the hon. Member on the 28th ultimo.
Are we to understand them that humble people may make an indiscretion and suffer severely, while a great man and distinguished official makes an indiscretion nothing is to happen and no notice is to be taken of it?
I do not know to what humble individual the hon. Member refers.
50.
asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware of the provision in Section 6 of the Special Commissions Act, 1916, enacting that any Report shall be laid as soon as may be before both Houses of Parliament; will he say on what day the Report of the Mesopotamia Commission was received; and, seeing that the Report was signed on 17th May and was on 14th June laid upon the Table of this House, why was so much time allowed to elapse between these two dates?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The Report was received by the Government on 17th May, and as I have already explained, we thought it necessary that it should be considered by the Government before it was presented to the House of Commons.
Is there anything in the Act of Parliament which justifies the Government an keeping it back when there is an express provision that it should be presented to this House?
I have answered the same question many times.
52.
asked the Prime Minister whether, following the Report of the Mesopotamia Commission, any changes in the Cabinet can be announced?
The answer is in the negative
Is the Government a sort of limited liability company for the preservation of titled incompetence?
I hope not. That question can best be discussed in debate.
67.
asked whether, in view of the advisability of proceeding to appropriate sanctions in regard to Meso- potamia, and considering also that the Government acts as a kind of Court of final appeal in the matter, he will announce the resignation from office of all members of the Government implicated and of all officials whose administration has been censured but who are in a position to influence the Government by advice?
The answer is in the negative.
How can the Government be a judge in this matter when so many of its members are people in the position of being implicated?
In that case the House of Commons must determine, and they will be in a better position to form a judgment after the Debate.
68.
asked whether, in order that the matter may be sifted, he will give two days for the Debate on the Mesopotamia question?
As I have already stated, if it is found there is a desire to continue the discussion the Government will at once agree to do so.
Does the right hon. Gentleman think that the situation will be obviated by a number of Gentlemen on the Treasury Bench and the Front Opposition Bench getting up and speaking while those hon. Members who are really in earnest will be excluded?
I have no reason to suppose that Members of the two Front Benches are less in earnest than other hon. Members with the exception of the hon. Gentleman.
70.
asked on what Motion the Debate on the Mesopotamia Commission will be taken; and whether full opportunity will be given for the discussion of such Amendments as hon. Members may desire to move?
The Government propose to take the same course as in the case of the Dardanelles Report, and the Debate will take place on the Motion that the House do now adjourn.
71 and 72.
asked the Prime Minister (1) with reference to the Report of the Commission, appointed by Act of Parliament to inquire into the operations of war in Mesopotamia, at page 102 that a large number of telegrams sent from here to the Viceroy about the advance on Bagdad are marked private, and that one of the most important of these private telegrams conveying new and serious information as to the possible concentration of 60,000 Turkish troops near Bagdad was, in consequence of it being marked private, not filed in the military department, and was not transmitted to Sir John Nixon in Mesopotamia, if he can state the date of this telegram, the names and offices of the officials who caused it to be sent, whether it ever reached India, and what became of it; and (2) with reference to the reflections contained in the Mesopotamia Commission Report on the procedure by private telegrams and private letters from the Secretary of State for India in matters of importance to the Mesopotamia Expedition, whether the Law Officers of the Crown or the counsel at the India Office have been consulted as to the limitations arising from the provisions of the Act of Parliament that business shall be conducted by the Council or India at weekly meetings?
I will deal with these questions in Debate on Thursday. I think I ought to say at once that the telegram referred to in question 71 was sent by me personally.
Prisoners Of War
9.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will issue as a White Paper the agreements arrived at on all points concerning prisoners of war at the recent Conference at The Hague?
There is no objection on the part of the Prisoners of War Department to such a Paper being issued, but the matter is one for the War Cabinet, if and when the agreement is ratified.
Will the hon. Gentleman represent to the War Cabinet that from the very nature of the question it necessarily means that a number of people in this country are eagerly awaiting news of what has been settled to the advantage of our prisoners, and will he press upon them that a public statement should be made at the earliest possible date in the form I suggest?
I think they are quite alive to it without any necessity to press the matter.
Russia
10.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to a statement by the Member for Barnard Castle that the position of the Allies in relation to Russian democracy can be cleared only by a conference of representatives of the Allied Governments, including the United States, and that no ordinary meeting of diplomats would satisfy the Russians; whether the Governments of the Allies are taking immediate steps to summon such a conference; and, if so, whether they are proposing that representatives shall be sent from the various countries who are outside the narrow circle of official diplomatists?
I have seen a report of the nature alluded to in the first part of the question, but it would be premature for His Majesty's Government to take any action before receiving the considered views of the right hon. Member for Barnard Castle. The date and composition of the conference is under consideration by the Allied Governments.
Mexico (British Subjects)
11.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been drawn to the constitution of the United States of Mexico promulgated in 1917, under which power is given to the executive to compel any British subject whose presence is judged inconvenient to leave Mexican territory forthwith and without the necessity of previous notice; and whether the British Government is taking any, and, if so, what steps for the protection of British subjects and to prevent the confiscation of their property?
His Majesty's Government have under careful consideration the various questions affecting British interests in Mexico which have been raised by the Constitution of 1917, and they have lodged protests and reserved claims on behalf of any British subjects and companies prejudicially affected. The particular provision to which the hon. Member refers seems to embody the right of all sovereign Governments to expel from national territory persons whose presence they have reason to consider objectionable. Should the right be used in the case of any British subject without sufficiently good cause it would be open to His Majesty's Government to make such representations to the Mexican Government as the circumstances might require.
Spain (German Falsehoods)
12.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that during the past few weeks German agents in Spain have been spreading reports that His Majesty's Government is working to produce revolutionary disturbances in that country; and what steps are being taken to deny and to counteract these falsehoods?
Yes, Sir. I have information from Madrid and elsewhere which confirms the purport of my hon. Friend's question. German propaganda in such matters follows quite simple lines. In Russia, where autocracy has been abolished, it declares that we are secretly fostering reaction. In Spain, where there is a Constitutional monarchy, it proclaims that we are aiming at revolution. Both statements are untrue; both are absurd; both are inconsistent with the often expressed policy of His Majesty's Government, which is to leave other countries to manage their own domestic affairs in the manner they think best.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say what steps are being taken to deny these false statements?
I have just this instant taken the best step in my power.
China
14.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he can give any news regarding the political situation in China, and particularly whether British residents in Pekin are in danger in consequence of the attempted usurpation on the part of the Imperialists?
The reports that have appeared in the Press as to the political situation in China are confirmed by His Majesty's representative at Pekin. No danger to foreigners is anticipated, but all possible precautions are being taken and the Foreign Legations have warned the Pekin Government that communications between the capital and the sea must be kept open.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say if the Emperor has abdicated?
I have not received any information to that effect.
Shot-Gun Ammunition
15.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he has approved the contemplated prohibition by the Munitions Department of the sale of shot-gun ammunition except to Farmers for the protection of crops; and whether ho can state what steps his Department Intend to take to secure the utilisation of the season's crop of grouse, Mack game, pheasants, and partridges as human food, and to prevent over-stocking and consequent damage to crops if no facilities for killing them are afforded?
The Board have been in communication for some time past with the Ministry of Munitions and the Army Council on the subject of the restrictions which it has been found necessary to impose on the use of lead in cartridges. At the request of those Departments the Board agreed that the Agricultural Executive Committtees should act as the authorities for the issue of licences for the purchase of cartridges required for the destruction of vermin and the preservation of crops. It does not appear to the Board that the issue of licences for the purchase of cartridges for shooting game, except so far as this is necessary for the protection of crops, is a matter which comes within the functions of the Board or of the Agricultural Executive Committees. Any action which may be necessary from the point of view of providing food is a matter for the Food Controller.
Merchant Shipping (Losses)
20.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty, with regard to British steam vessels of 1,600 tons gross tonnage and upwards lost through war perils within 200 miles of the West, North-West, and South-West coasts of Ireland, the number of vessels so lost in each of the months of February, March, April, May, and June, 1917; the number of such vessels which were so lost whilst in sight of a British warship or of a British patrol vessel; the number of such vessels from which the crews were taken off by British warships or British patrol vessels; and the number of such vessels from which the crews were saved in the vessels' own boats?
My right hon. Friend the First Lord is advised that the public interest would not be served by publishing the proportion of losses occurring in any particular area. Further, so far as can be seen, the statistical information asked for would not afford any advantage commensurate with the expenditure of time and labour required for its collection.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the losses of merchant ships in the areas indicated in the question is very serious, and is he aware that great alarm is now arising amongst ship-owners and shipmasters by finding their ships marshalled by the Admiralty in areas where there are German submarines; and will he make some statement indicating that the Admiralty policy has been altered, or otherwise restore confidence in what is being done?
I should certainly regret if confidence wore in any way undermined. I say this without at all accepting my hon. Friend's statement. If my hon. Friend, however, has any views on the matter let him state them to me and I will transmit them to the War Staff, or, if he likes, I shall be glad to help him to transmit those views to the War Staff himself.
Military Service
Conscientious Objectors
22.
asked the Secretary for (Scotland on what grounds the Board of Agriculture applied for exemption for a conscientious objector; if the duties of the said person are organising boys' camps; and if he will explain why a person who will not fight for his country or work for it except in his own way becomes a subject for the solicitude of the Scottish Board?
I am not aware of any such case. If my hon. Friend will furnish me with the name and designation of the man to whom he refers, I will make inquiry.
Agricultural Workers
23.
asked the Secretary for Scotland if he is aware that, although it has been distinctly stated that no more men should be taken off the land except with the approval of the Board of Agriculture and the local county agricultural committee, the recruiting officer at Kirk-wall stated to the tribunal that he had received instructions from the War Office to pay no attention to this agreement and that men are being taken from the land without any reference to the Board of Agriculture; and if he will see what can be done to settle the question?
My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply to this question. It will be necessary to make inquiry in this case, and I will inform my hon. Friend of the result as soon as I am in a position to do so.
Musicians In Training
53.
asked the Prime Minister if he has received a motion from the British Music Trades Convention requesting that in cases where lads have left professional training schools to serve the Colours, and their parents will be unable, after the War, to pay for their reinstatement in these schools, the State will come to the financial aid of the parents; and, if so, whether he will give this recommendation his support?
I am informed that the Prime Minister has not received the motion referred to.
Will the right hon. Gentleman promise that if the Prime Minister does receive it he will give it consideration?
I am sure he will give it consideration, but, as my hon. Friend must realise, there are many other similar cases.
Widow's Remaining Son
87.
asked the Under-secretary of State for War whether his attention has been called to the case of Mrs. Bonner, who, since the death of her husband eight years ago, has continued the business of her late husband as butcher and provision dealer at Wanton Street, East, and despite the fact that her two sons, George and Harry, have joined His Majesty's Forces, her remaining son, Frederick, was ordered by the local tribunal to join up on 19th June and received orders to join the forces on 19th July, which means that this widow, who is in. bad health, will be unable to carry on this old-established business, thus entailing hardship on the widow and her remaining three young children; and, in view of the statement made by the late Prime Minister that it would be a crime to take a widow's remaining son, is he prepared to consider the advisability of suspending the call-up paper until an efficient substitute is found to carry on the business in question?
Inquiry is being made into this case, but it has not so far been possible to trace the address given in the question. Perhaps my hon. Friend would furnish me with further particulars. I would remind him, however, that the case has apparently been settled by a tribunal.
Birth Certificates
90.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether, when men over military age are called up for examination, they are compelled to produce their birth certificates, the expense of obtaining which is 3s. 16.; and whether the military authorities will obtain a man's birth certificate in such a case or, alternatively, have provision made whereby a man can obtain a copy of his birth certificate for this purpose at less expense?
I do not think public funds can be expected to bear the expense involved in enabling men to establish their claims to exemption. I may add that birth certificates issued by registrars in connection with the National Insurance Act are accepted by recruiting officers as evidence of age in questions arising under the Military Service Acts.
Manipulative Surgeons
92.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he has yet obtained the promised opinion of the Law Officers as to the employment of manipulative surgeons and osteopoths; and, if so, what is such opinion?
The Law Officers find themselves generally in agreement with the opinion of the right hon. Member for Walthamstow (Sir J. Simon), the hon. and learned Member for York (Mr. Butcher), and the hon. and learned Member for Warwick and Leamington (Mr. Pollock), and are of opinion that, subject to conditions, the War Office may lawfully take certain action. They have advised, however, that the opinion of the General Medical Council should be taken before orders are given with a view to that action.
If the Vote for the Medical Service of the War Office is put down for an early date, will the hon. Gentleman be prepared to inform the House as to the final decision arrived at and whether the Medical Council are going to place an embargo upon the employment of these manipulative surgeons for the relief of our wounded soldiers?
I will consider the question.
Non-Combatant Corps (Transfers)
94.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether, before transferring to combatant corps men who voluntarily enlisted in non-combatant corps and who, although objectors to taking life, were prepared to render service in face of danger, he will give instructions that these men shall have the right of appeal to a tribunal?
96.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether a wholesale transfer of men who have hitherto been serving in the Royal Army Medical Corps is now taking place into the Infantry; whether he is aware that many of these men enlisted early in the War voluntarily in the Royal Army Medical Corps and have served up to the present date, but that some of them have from the first had objection to combatant service; and whether any men who so object are to be forced to take service as combatants in the Infantry with no chance even of claiming exemption as objectors such as they would have had if they had not voluntarily enlisted in the Royal Army Medical Corps?
If these men are not in possession of a tribunal exemption from combatant service, their cases will be investigated at the War Office and dealt with on their merits. The War Office has no desire to force those with genuine conscientious objections against taking life into combatant corps. Men who hold tribunal exemptions from combatant service, if found in the Royal Army Medical Corps, will be transferred to the Non-Combatant corps.
The following question stood upon the Paper in the name of Mr. TREVELYAN:
95. To ask the Under-Secretary of State for War whether, in the transfer of men serving in the Royal Army Medical Corps to the Infantry, he will explain under what authority a man who was granted exemption from combatant service by his tribunal in 1916 is transferred to a combatant regiment; and whether he will give instructions that care shall be taken to retain such men in the Royal Army Medical Corps or other non-combatant service?
The case on which this question was founded has been settled.
New Tonnage
19 and 25.
asked the Minister of Munitions, in regard to the supply of new tonnage from Canada, whether an experienced firm of shipbuilders in British Columbia, who are capable of supplying a large number of wooden ships of approved design, and are willing at their own expense to enlarge their resources for production of tonnage and to build and deliver vessels on terms already approved, have not been given an opportunity of contracting; whether the Imperial Government are taking any, and what, steps to utilise to the full the shipbuilding resources of British Columbia; and whether all firms capable of producing tonnage are permitted to tender and allowed to contract for the delivery of ships?
had given notice of a similar question (No. 25) to the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Shipping.
My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply, and I will at the same time answer Question No. 25. I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer which I gave on the 30th April to the hon. Member for St. Pancras. As I then indicated, we are endeavouring to avail ourselves of every opportunity of obtaining new tonnage of suitable type, and if my hon. Friend can let me have the name of any shipbuilding firm that appears to have been overlooked I 'will see that inquiries are at once made.
I will send my hon. Friend particulars.
27.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Shipping Controller if, in the event of the loss of a merchant ship and the consequent payment of the insurance money to the owners, any and, if so, what terms or conditions are made that the insurance money on the ship, apart from the cargo and freight, must be laid out or put aside to be laid out in the construction of shipping so soon as such is practicable?
No terms or conditions of the nature indicated in my hon. friend's question were attached to the Government scheme of war risk insurance. I may add that the important point to which my hon. Friend's question is directed, namely, the maintenance and increase of the Mercantile Marine, is engaging the serious attention of his Majesty's Government.
Is it not possible to alter these conditions and make them such as suggested in the question?
The point has not been lost sight of. I can only say that it was very carefully considered by the Board of Trade before the Ministry of Shipping was established.
Is the right bon. Gentleman aware that shipowners are most anxious to be allowed to spend this money on new shipping?
My hon. Friend, I think, knows that, so far as we are concerned, the Ministry of Shipping are doing all they possibly can to see that every slip in the United Kingdom is occupied.
Not by shipowners!
Peace Advocacy
28.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his attention has been called to the imprisonment of Mrs. Skinner for three months and Mrs. Hayes for one month, and the fining of another woman, for the distribution of leaflets demanding that the Government should at once start negotiations to conclude the War; whether the advocacy of peace by negotiation is a crime; and, if not, whether he will take steps to mitigate the sentences imposed on these women?
I have seen a report of the evidence in this case. The leaflets in question were being distributed to soldiers, and the evidence appears to ha\e justified the magistrates in holding that they were both intended and likely to prejudice discipline. I see no ground for interfering with the sentences.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that one of the principal leaflets that was being distributed in this case was one which contained exclusively quotations from the manifesto, "To the peoples of all countries," by the council to the Workmen s and Soldiers' Delegates of Russia: is it criminal for the people of this country to distribute that?
I have not seen all the leaflets, but I have seen some, and certainly those I have seen ought not to be distributed amongst soldiers.
Representation Of The People Bill
29.
asked the Home Secretary whether it is assumed that under Clause 3 of the Representation of the People Bill a person residing in a house belonging to a local authority, such as, for instance, a caretaker of a council school, will be entitled to the local government vote?
Something would no doubt depend upon the actual conditions of the occupation, but, speaking generally, a person occupying by virtue of any office, service or employment would not seem to be entitled to the local government franchise.
"Industrial Workers Of The World"
31.
asked the Home Secretary whether emissaries from the Industrial Workers of the World from the United States were allowed to land in the United Kingdom during the War; whether any of them are still over here; and whether any communications have been entered into with the Government of Australia as to emissaries from the same organisation not being allowed to land in Australia?
I am not aware that any such persons have landed in the United Kingdom during the War and I understand that there have been no communications with the Government of Australia in the matter
32
asked the Home Secretary whether his attention has been drawn to the arrest in Scranton, Pennsylvania, of an organiser of the Industrial Workers of the World on a charge of being a spy; and whether he will inquire as to the belief of the Federal authorities as to the connection between the German Government and the organisers and leaders of the Industrial Workers of the World with a view to concerted action?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. As to the second part I will make inquiry.
German Parentage
33.
asked how many persons having a German parentage are in this country, specifying respectively interned, uninterned, of military age, and under military age?
With regard to alien enemies I would refer to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for the Ludlow Division on the 4th inst. As regards persons who are British subjects, though of German parentage, I am not in possession of the information asked for.
Peter Petroff
34.
asked whether Peter Petroff is still interned at Cornwallis Institute, Islington; and whether his state of health is satisfactory?
The answer to both parts of the question is in the affirmative.
I beg to give notice that on the Estimates I will call attention to this case.
Vivisection
36.
asked the President of the Local Government Board whether the scheme for establishing a public health laboratory, recommended by a joint committee of the senate of the University College of Bangor and of local medical men, involves any contribution from rates or taxes towards its main- tenance; whether living animals are to be used for experimental research in this institution; and whether, if so, he will withhold his approval of any subsidy out of public moneys which are compulsorily provided in part by those who disapprove of vivisection?
None of the local authorities have submitted to the Local Government Board any scheme of the nature indicated.
National Service
39.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of National Service how many volunteers have been placed in employment by the substitution officers appointed by the National Service Department since 1st May, the date when his Department took over the work from the Labour Exchanges?
Between 1st May and 30th June, 7,174 applications were received from employers. The Department submitted the names of 7,424 volunteers, and of these 3,483 were placed in employment. During the week ending 30th June, 624 volunteers were placed in employment by the National Service Department.
Does the hon. Gentleman's answer refer to men?
My hon. Friend asks about men, and my answer applies to men.
British Prisoners At Crefeld
43.
asked the hon. Member for Sheffield (Central Division) whether he has yet any information from the Dutch Government as to the punishments inflicted by the Germans on our officer prisoners at Crefeld; where the prisoners at Crefeld have been moved to; and whether he is aware that no letters have come through from such prisoners for approximately two months?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. We are informed by the Netherland Minister at Berlin that the camps to which the officers from Crefeld have been transferred are Claustal, Schwarmstedt, and Siroecken. We have inquired by telegraph whether any officers have been sent to other camps. With regard to the last part of the question, postcards have certainly come through, but I have no information as to letters. Telegraphic inquiries have been made as to whether there are any special restrictions on the correspondence of the officers in question. If the punishments have been inflicted for attempts at escape, I have reason to hope that the position of these officers will be favourably affected should the provisional agreement concluded at The Hague be ratified.
Mesopotamia Campaign
46.
asked the Prime Minister what advice was tendered by Field-Marshal Lord Kitchener as to the advantage or otherwise of an advance from Kut-el-Amara to Bagdad?
The proceedings of the Cabinet have always been secret, and I regret that I cannot give the information asked for.
Irish Convention
47.
asked the Prime Minister whether in any circumstances whatever any decision or recommendation of the Irish Convention will be submitted to a referendum of the Irish people?
I cannot answer such a hypothetical question.
Second Chamber (Proposed Conference)
48.
asked the Prime Minister if, before instituting anything in the nature of a conference upon the constitution and powers of a Second Chamber, he will have regard to the fact that a considerable body of opinion in the country is opposed to further conferences of this nature during the continuance of the War?
The considerations referred to in the question were taken into account by the Government before we decided to arrange for this conference.
Alternate Vote
54.
asked the Prime Minister whether he has been able to study a system of voting at elections known in the oversea Dominions as the preferential vote and on the Continent as the second ballot, and which the Government have inserted in the Representation of the People Bill as the alternative vote; and is it intended to follow the course adopted in the case of the transferable vote and allow the House to decide by a free vote for or against this system of election?
My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply to this question. The proposal for an alternative vote in single-member constituencies was recommended by a majority only of the Speaker's Conference, and the Government propose to leave this question for the free decision of the House.
May I ask if the vote taken the other day has not finished all these fads once and for all?
Prisoners Of War (Agreement With Germany)
60.
asked the Prime Minister if he will appoint a small Parliamentary Committee to consider Lord Newton's agreement with Germany regarding prisoners of war before the same is approved by the Cabinet?
The Government are not prepared to adopt the suggestion of my hon. Friend.
War Cabinet (October And November, 1915)
61.
asked the Prime Minister who were the members of the War Cabinet during the months of October and November, 1915?
I presume that the hon. Member refers to the Committee of the Cabinet which, during October, 1915, was known as the Dardanelles Committee, and was attended by
- Mr. Asquith,
- Mr. Lloyd George,
- Mr. Balfour,
- Sir E. Grey,
- Lord Kitchener,
- Lord Curzon,
- Lord Crewe,
- Lord Lansdowne,
- Mr. Churchill,
- Lord Selborne, and Myself.
- Mr. Asquith,
- Mr. McKenna,
- Mr. Lloyd George,
- Lord Kitchener,
- Mr. Balfour, and Myself.
Enemy Air Raids
Defences
62.
asked the Prime Minister whether he has received any diplomatic representations by the French Government with reference to the initiation of a sustained air offensive over Germany; and, if so, whether he is prepared to make any statement on the subject?
The following question also stood on the Paper in the name of the HON. MEMBER:
64. To ask the Prime Minister whether his attention has been called to the statement made by Lord Montagu in another place that the City of London was a legitimate objective for the German airmen; and, if so, whether he will now state if, in the view of the Government, air raids on London and/or other big munition centres are considered as acts of war or as outrages?
(by Private Notice) to ask the Prime Minister whether, having regard to the fact that in the recent aeroplane raids on this country culminating in that of Saturday last the raiders returned home with practical immunity so far as destruction in this country was concerned, he is of opinion that our defences are satisfactory; whether he is now prepared to appoint a small Parliamentary Committee to inquire into the causes of our failure to cope effectively with the raiders; and whether the War Cabinet is now prepared to direct the carrying of the Air War into the enemy's territory by definite raids of a punitive character on some or one of the German military and munition towns on the Rhine?
(by Private Notice) to ask the Prime Minister whether he will now see that adequate retribution by air attack is inflicted on a city in German territory. to be selected by the Air Service and Army Council, for the enemy air raids on London of the 13th June and 7th July?
The Government propose to move the Adjournment this evening in order that there may be a Private Sitting to discuss the subject of air defences. This and other questions of which I have received private notice will, I think, best be answered by the Prime Minister, who hopes to deal with the matter.
Should I be in order in asking leave to move the Adjournment at the end of questions, so that we may have an opportunity of a public Debate, and then, if we find it necessary to go into Secret Session, we can do so? The feeling in the country is very intense.
The hon. Member will not advance matters in that way, because it will still be open to anybody to espy strangers.
Does my right hon. Friend intend to move the Adjournment immediately after questions?
The Government propose to take that course about 8.30 this evening. It is obvious that it is not possible to give information in public which alone would enable the House of Commons to understand what is the situation.
Will the discussion be opened with a statement by the Government?
I have not discussed this question with the Prime Minister, but I take it for granted that he himself will make the first statement.
Will the right hon. Gentleman arrange to have a confidential record taken of what passes in the Secret Session, and will he consider whether it may not be possible afterwards, by arrangement between the parties and the authorities concerned, to give an expurgated account of what has taken place in order that as much knowledge as possible may be given to the public without detriment to the public interest?
It is obvious that there is a great deal of force in what my light hon. Friend says, but there are two considerations that must govern the matter. One is public opinion outside and the other is opinion in the House of Commons. We consider that it is our duty first of all to satisfy the House of Commons as to what is being done, and this can best be done only by a Private Session. As to the public, I am not sure that the suggestion of my right hon. Friend can be adopted, but I shall consider it and discuss the matter with the Prime Minister.
Are we to understand that the public is not represented by this House?
It must be pretty obvious to the House that the public cannot be influenced by statements which they have not had an opportunity of hearing.
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether, when the Government came to the decision to hold a Secret Session, they took into consideration the fact that the public are entitled to know who are guilty of culpable negligence in regard to this matter? I give notice now that I shall oppose the Secret Session to-night.
Might I suggest to my right hon. Friend that there are two quite separate considerations. We think that our first duty is to satisfy the House of Commons if we can. If, after the Debate to-night, my right hon. Friend still thinks that there should be a public discussion we shall throw no obstacles in the way.
Does the right hon. Gentleman suggest that a. Secret Session will satisfy the relatives of the people who have lost their lives by these German air raids?
I am not sure that if people only knew what it will be possible to tell the House they would not agree that a case exists for the course we suggest, but at any rate surely it is wise that the House of Commons should hear what we have to say first.
I want to ask a question about the suspension of the Rule.
The Rule cannot be suspended without notice.
Again may I ask if I shall be in order in asking leave to move the Adjournment of the House?
The hon. Member will be in order, but he will not gain anything, the Government themselves having undertaken to move the Adjournment.
98.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War at what time last Wednesday the first intimation was received of the approach of enemy aircraft to our coasts; at what time were the first orders given for our machines to take the air for purposes of defence; and at what time the anti-aircraft batteries on the coast were given the Field-Marshal's air-action order?
99.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether any maps or charts used by enemy airmen in air raids over this country have come into the possession of the War Office or any other authority; whether these charts not only gave the positions of our latest anti-aircraft gun emplacements but also indicated the position of prospective antiaircraft gun emplacements; and whether they have any knowledge of how this secret information as to the latest decisions of the War Council came into the possession of the enemy?
It is obviously undesirable from every point of view to give the information for which the hon. Member asks.
May we take it that for the Debate which it is proposed shall take place the hon. Gentleman will put himself in possession of the actual facts, so that we may have an answer to this question in Secret Session if not in Open Session?
My hon. Friend should put that question to the Leader of the House.
May I ask the Leader of the House if we can have an answer in Secret Session to such questions as to whether any maps or charts used by enemy airmen have come into the possession of the War Office?
I can give no answer to a question which I have had no opportunity of examining.
Will the representatives of the War Office and of the Admiralty be here, and will all the information that Members may wish to have be available if we are in Secret Session?
The representatives of the two Services will be here, but I cannot promise that all the information will be given.
What is the use of going into Secret Session if we are not to get the information we want?
The hon. Member is travelling a long way from the question on the Paper.
Consular Service And Commercial Intelligence
73.
asked the Prime Minister whether a decision has now been arrived at as to the publication of the Report and the minority Report of Lord Faringdon's Committee on Trade Conditions?
45.
asked the Prime Minister if he will direct the publication of the majority and minority Reports of the Committee appointed to inquire into the question of the consular service and commercial intelligence in order that the business interests affected may have an opportunity of considering and expressing their opinions on the recommendations of the Committee before Departmental action in regard thereto is taken?
This is a confidential Report submitted to the Government, and we do not think it desirable to make it public.
House Of Commons (Members Fallen In The War)
74.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, without prejudice to any more important or conspicuous memorial to Members of this House who have fallen in the field during the present War, he will consider the desirability of engraving the names of such members on the small brass plate at the back of the seats which they were accustomed to occupy or are held most usually to have occupied when in attendance upon the House, in order that the House may preserve their memory in this simple, intimate, and at the same time unprecedented manner?
I am personally attracted by the suggestion of my right hon. Friend, but it is, I think, a question rather for the Members of the House than for the Government.
Irishmen (Military Service)
82.
asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if he will take steps to see that Irishmen who arc compelled to leave home to take employment in Great Britain will not be interfered with by the military authorities; if Irishmen who were supplied with their fares by their friends in order to travel to Great Britain when on larding were informed that they were liable to conscription if they remained for fourteen days, and were refused employment or exemption cards by the Labour Exchanges, the reasons given being that they paid their own fares and were not sent by the Labour Exchange; and if he is aware of the trouble given to Irishmen at Kilmarnock and South Wales?
I have no knowledge of the matters referred to in the hon. Member's question, but if he will supply particulars of specific cases, I will have inquiries made. In any case of refusal of employment or exemption cards by the Employment Exchanges, my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour would be pleased to investigate the matter. I must refer tie hon. Member to the answer which I gave, to him on the 7th March, and remind him that where an Irishman already in "Great Britain is engaged in one of the employments specified in the arrangement between the War Office and the Board of Trade, he may, if continuing in such employment or if placed by an Employment Exchange in similar employment, be furnished with a card as evidence that he is excepted from the liability to military service if the Employment Exchange has ascertained that he is ordinarily resident in Ireland, and it is not, therefore, understood why any difficulty such as that referred to in the hon. Member's question should have occurred.
Irish Rebellion (Remains Of Executed Men)
83.
asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether the remains of the men executed in consequence of the rebellion in Dublin will now be delivered to their relatives, so that they may be buried in consecrated ground?
I would refer to the answer which I gave the hon. Member for North Westmeath on the 22nd June.
Would the right hon. Gentleman reconsider this question, seeing that the request is not a great one, and that the matter is important in regard to the deep-seated piety of the Irish people?
I do not think that I can usefully add anything to what I have said.
Gable Censors
86.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether there are censors now serving in the cable censorship who, previous to their appointment had held Commissions in the Regular and Territorial Forces and who have not been gazetted to their present appointments, and whether there are other censors who, having commissions in the auxiliary or Territorial Forces only, have been gazetted to their previous rank; whether this means that censors not gazetted arc deprived of the following privileges and emoluments: ration allowance, travelling voucher, gratuity on termination of war or incapacitation after twelve months' service, and permission to wear uniform; and will the War Office take measures to rectify this state of affairs?
The Cable censorship includes both officers and civilians. The former are eligible for the privileges enumerated, the latter are not. Since December, 1915, commissions have been refused except where the individual concerned is likely to be in close contact with troops. Censors appointed subsequent to that date who, previous to their appointment, had hold commissions in Regular, Territorial or auxiliary-forces, but who were not at the time of their resignation or retirement authorised to retain their rank or wear uniform, are classified as civilians receiving salaries as such, and are not gazetted to commissions.
Greece
Ex-King Constantine
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether ex-King Constantine holds any rank, honorary or otherwise, in the British Army?
The answer is in the negative.
Ex-Emperor Of Russia
89.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the ex-Tzar of Russia holds honorary rank in the British Army?
He is Colonel-in-Chief of the "Greys," and holds the rank of Field-Marshal.
Will he continue to hold that rank?
This question is under consideration.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that Nicholas II. never was Tzar of Russia. He was Emperor of Russia and Tzar of Poland.
Thank you.
Royal Sussex Regiment (Private H Hardy)
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether Private Harold Hardy, late of the 2/6th Royal Sussex Regiment, was illegally awarded the punishment of 25 days' C.B. on the way to India by Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson, for refusing inoculation; that a Government inquiry was promised and asserted to have been made, which actually was never made; "that Private Hardy brought a civil action against Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson at Bangalore and withdrew it on that officer's promise to transfer him and his comrade, Private Latham, whom he had illegally punished at the same time, either to the Mechanical Transport or the Royal Flying Corps, and to pay damages and the expenses incurred in the action; that Hardy was instead transferred to the 18th Rifle Brigade, Burma Division, and left to pay the expenses of the litigation without any compensation; whether, wishing to bring this breach of faith before the recognised and proper authority, Private Hardy wrote to General Rate, who commands the Burma Division, requesting that the promises of Lieutenant-Colonel Johnson should be carried out and that General Rate thereupon threatened him with court-martial if any further complaints. were made; whether a complaint made in accordance with Ay Regulations is now allowed to be treated as a crime; and if the Government will now at last take action, seeing that the whole record of this case has been one of broken pledges and false assurances concerning an alleged inquiry?
I am not aware that my right hon. Friend the then Undersecretary had any intention of making more than the inquiries which are usual when a question cannot be answered from the material available. My hon. Friend is therefore under a misapprehension in referring to broken pledges and false assurances. There is no information as to a civil action brought against Colonel Johnson, but reference has been made to India on this point. The action taken by Colonel Johnson was the subject of a very full inquiry by the authorities in India, and the matter was disposed of by them.
Air Service
Casualties (Inquests)
100.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether courts of inquiry are still held on the deaths of airmen which occur while flying in this country?
Yes, Sir; in all cases of accident, but not necessarily when the casualty occurs on active service.
Was the attention of the hon. Gentleman called to the reply given to this question by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Air Board in which he directly contradicted that and said that it was impossible?
Will the bon. Gentleman say why the next of kin are forbidden to be present at these Courts of Inquiry?
I am not aware of that, but I will have inquiries made.
Army Stores Depot Dublin
102.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office what progress has been made respecting the acquisition of premises to temporarily accommodate the examining and receiving depot in Dublin?
We are in communication with the military authorities in Ireland on the subject, and I hope I may be able to say something definite on Thursday next if my hon. Friend will put down a question.
Tobacco And Cigarettes (Prices)
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in order that the Government may set a good example to private tobacco traders, he will issue instructions to the Navy and Army Canteen Board that the increase in price of all tobacco and cigarettes sold to sailors and soldiers, which was imposed by the Board in consequence of the Finance Bill, 1917, be reduced by one-half as from 17th July, inclusive, the date on which the Board will benefit by the Government Amendment in Committee to Clause 4 of the Finance Bill, 1917?
Immediatly following the passing of the Government Amendment in Committee to Clause 4 of Finance Bill, 1917, the Navy and Army Canteen Board decided to reduce the price of tobacco and cigarettes sold to sailors and soldiers in accordance with the terms of the Amendment. This reduction will come into force as soon as the official Schedule is published by the Tobacco Control Board.
Naval And Military Pensions And Grants
93.
asked the (Under-Secretary of State for War whether, when Driver Payne, 100th Field Company, Royal Engineers, forfeited twenty-eight days' pay, twenty-eight days' allotment, at Is. a day, was deducted from Mrs. Payne's allowance, though she has six children and she is herself weak and unfit for work; and, if so, will he say whether it is the regular practice to make these deductions in similar circumstances and under the authority of which Army Order are they made?