House Of Commons
Thursday, 28th February, 1918.
The House met at a Quarter before Three of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.
Private Business
Basingstoke Gas Bill,
"To amend the Basingstoke Gas Act, 1907,with respect to the dividend payable by the Basingstoke Gas Company during the present War," presented, and read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time.
Londonderry Corporation Bill
Order for Second Reading read.
Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time"
I understand that the Second Heading of this Bill has been agreed to with the Instruction down on the Paper.
Question put, and agreed to.
I beg to move, "That it be an Instruction to the Committee on the Londonderry Corporation Bill to insert a Clause therein so as to provide that the Corporation shall not borrow for the provision of trolley vehicles and the electrical equipment and the construction of the other works necessary for these vehicles any greater sum that fifty thousand pounds until they shall have taken all the requisite steps to introduce into Parliament in the next Session available for Private Bill legislation, or the next succeeding Session, a Bill for the extension of the City boundaries."
Question put, and agreed to
Post Office (Foreign And Colonial Parcel Post)
Copy presented of the Foreign and Colonial Parcel Post Amendment (No. 83) Warrant, 1917, dated 15th October, 1917 [by Act] ; to lie upon, the Table.
Seaplanes (Miscellaneous, No 4, 1918)
Copy presented of Correspondence respecting the internment of Seaplanes, etc., salved on the High Seas and brought into Netherlands jurisdiction [by Command] ;to lie upon the Table.
Board Of Education (Departmental Committee)
Copy presented of Report of the Departmental Committee for inquiring into the principles which should determine the construction of scales of Salary for Teachers in Elementary Schools. Vol. II. Summaries of Evidence and Memoranda [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Oral Answers To Questions
War
Bolo Trial
2.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will request the French authorities to place at the disposal of the Foreign Office the facts and evidence in connection with the Bolo trial: and whether he can give any information to this House as to the language which is employed in the documents sent between Mr. Bolo and his various accomplices in various countries?
The Bolo trial was fully reported in the French Press, and I am not disposed to ask the French Government for further information.
Foreign Services (Reorganisation)
3.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether any Committee has been appointed to study the question of the reconstitution and reorganisation of the foreign services in the light of the recommendations of the Royal Commission, in order that an improved system may be introduced at the earliest possible moment?
No such Committee has been appointed, but proposals in this direction have been made and are now under discussion with the Treasury.
Can the Noble Lord hold out any prospect that these proposals will be submitted to Parliament for discussion before their eventual adoption, as a policy, by the Foreign Office?
I do not think I can give any pledge of that kind. Of course, they will be open to discussion by the House. But it is very unusual to postpone a reform of this kind.
Are we then only to discuss a fait accompli?
Of course, if Parliament desires, the proposals can be a discussion: it is not like the law of the Medes and Persians. But I may assure the House that I am as anxious as any hon. Member to have reform in the direction indicated by hon. Members. My seeming reluctance is due to the fact that I am afraid of delay in the matter.
If, according to the answer of the Noble Lord, he cannot postpone the inauguraton of these reforms until Debate has taken place in this House, may I ask him whether he will, at least, make public the proposals of the Foreign Office before they are finally adopted?
I could not possibly give a pledge of that kind, but I shall be glad to discuss the matter with my hon. Friend.
Is not the Noble Lord aware that this Royal Commission—and its Report—is four years old, and therefore a possible delay of two or three weeks to allow the House to understand what the proposals are does not seem very unreasonable?
Is it not intended to introduce these reforms before the War is over?
I am in the hands of the Foreign Office, and cannot promise anything. But as far as I am concerned, I am anxious to see these reforms put through at the earliest possible moment.
Are these new arrangements concerned with purely diplomatic representatives or will there be commercial representatives amongst the Attachés?
That is a separate subject: that is also being dealt with. I hope that also is in an advanced stage of preparation.
May I ask that, at any rate, before those reforms are definitely decided upon, we shall have the opportunity of discussing the whole question in the House of Commons, if Members of the House desire it?
That is a question entirely for my right hon. Friend the Leader of the House. So far as I am concerned, I have no objection to a full discussion in this House. All I do think is that it must be left to the Government, who are responsible for administrative action: that any attempt to shift it on to the shoulders of the House of Commons is bound to lead to disaster.
Is it not the ease that, constantly, administrative reorganisation has been carried through without being submitted to this House for previous discussion?
I should have said it was almost universal.
Coalfields (Ireland)
6.
asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he is aware that there are coalfields in the north of Cork county at Dromagh which were at one time extensively worked and gave very considerable employment in the locality; whether these coalfields are quite adjacent to the Great Southern and Western Railway Company; and whether their resources and capabilities of working have been, or will be, investigated by the Government, with a view to relieving tonnage pressure and providing home supplies of a coal which has been proved to be useful for fuel and steam purposes?
Various unsuccessful attempts have been made in the past to work the anthracite coal seams in the neighbourhood of Dromagh, west of Banteer Station on the Great Southern and Western Railway. The last serious attempt was made in 1901 by the New Dromagh Mining Company, and they were unsuccessful in their efforts to find coal of commercial value. The anthracite coal found in the district generally contains sulphur and is, therefore, of poor quality; but one seam is said to be free from sulphur. According to the Memoirs (Nos. 174 and 175) of the Geological Survey of Ireland the thickness of the seams varies considerably, but, from a mining point of view, they may be regarded as "thin." The coal measures are also twisted and contorted, and dip at a high angle, and there does not appear to be much prospect of finding payable coal in this district even in view of the high prices at present prevailing.
Food Supplies
Edible Fats
10 and 11.
asked the Chief Secretary (1) whether he is aware that potatoes, milk, and all foods containing fat are abnormally scarce in Loughrea; is he aware that 100 persons in the town requested the Congested Districts Board to grant them facilities over land in their possession to raise food this year; is he aware that the Board refused the facilities on the ground that it was possible the land might be divided during the year; what action will be taken to comply with the advice of the Government to cultivate more land and raise more food this year; (2) whether he is aware that the small traders, mechanics, and labourers of the town of Loughrea have more than once petitioned the Congested Districts Board for a share of the untenanted land in their hands and running into the township on the eastern side of the town; is he aware that the people generally are most anxious to assist the Government in raising crops, and, in their desire to assist the Government, applied for facilities to cultivate a share of the land to the east of the town; and, before the Congested Districts Board appropriate these lands for other purposes, seeing that the need and urgency of raising more food in the present year is so manifest, will he represent to the Congested Districts Board the wisdom of providing accommodation for the townspeople out of these lands before they are otherwise disposed of?
The Food Control Committee for Ireland are not aware that there is any shortage of potatoes in the Loughrea district. They have, on the contrary, good reason to believe that there is an ample supply of potatoes in that district. No representations as to the shortage of milk and other foodstuffs containing fat have been received by the Committee which has no reason to suppose that the scarcity of these foodstuffs is any greater in Loughrea than elsewhere. The Congested Districts Board are dealing with the lands in question forthwith by permanent allotment of them in relief of agricultural congestion in accordance with their statutory powers. A large extent of untilled land near Loughrea is held by townspeople of Loughrea.
Egg Export Trade (Packing)
13
asked what agreement has been reached as regards the type of packing-case to be used for the egg export trade and the incidence of risk as between owners and carriers?
The railway authorities have postponed until July next the operation of the notice they have issued specifying certain new regulations as to the transit of eggs. In the meantime steps will be taken in consultation with the trade and the carrying companies, to arrive, if possible, at a satisfactory arrangement in respect of the type of packing-cases to be used. The hon. Member may rest assured that the importance of the matter is fully recognised by the Department of Agriculture.
Tillage Allotments (Ireland)
14.
asked the Chief Secretary whether he s aware that John Foley, tenant of a labourer's cottage at Coolacullig, Coachford. county Cork, applied for an additional half-acre to the Macroom Rural District". Council about nine years ago; if he can state whether this representation was included in the improvement scheme at the time, and, if so, what action was taken upon it; is he aware that Foley has a young and helpless family of five children, and that to provide for their necessities he had last year to get potato ground three miles away, although he sought to nave the additional half-acre for which he had applied let to him; whether the rural councils have not sufficient powers under recent Regulations to acquire tillage allotments for persons circumstanced as John Foley is; whether the tenant of the land in this case, Mr. John Dwyer, will be approached to see if he is willing to give this half-acre to Foley on being properly compensated; find, as the matter is one of urgency, will immediate steps be taken to provide Foley with the additional half-acre, which he is willing and able to till, and which he wants to supply his young family with food?.
The application for an additional allotment in this case was, like a number of others, disallowed at the local inquiry into the scheme in 1908. It was considered that provision for better house accommodation for the labourers in the district should take precedence of any suggested enlargement of the garden allotments attached to labourers' cottages previously provided.
The right hon. Gentleman has not answered the greater part of my question.
I cannot add anything to the answer that I have given. The matter was fully considered in 1908.
I have asked whether the tenant of this land will be approached to see if he is willing to give this half-acre to Foley? That portion of the question was not answered.
I cannot give the hon. Member any further information.
:I will put down a question.
Manufacturers Of Sweets (Sugar Supplies)
28.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether a number of small shopkeepers have been brought to the verge of ruin by the restriction of sugar supplies to the manufacturers of sweets; and whether the Ministry will release a larger amount of sugar to such manufacturers in the interests alike of the consumer and of the small distributors?
I am aware that in this trade, as in many others, the restrictions upon the use of raw material, which have been rendered necessary by the circumstances of the time, have Seriously affected those concerned. It is not, however, possible to release more sugar than at present for the manufacture of sweets. As I stated last Monday, consideration is being given to the possibility of affording some relief to shopkeepers who are solely dependent for their living on the sale of confectionery.
Would the right hon. Gentleman say when it is expacted that relief will be given?
The matter is under consideration, and we are hopeful that an announcement can be made at an early date.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that he told me a fortnight ago that the matter was under consideration?
No, I am not aware of that. I was not here.
May I ask the hon. Gentleman whether his reply means that the Ministry contemplate and intend at an early date to limit the sale of sweets to those people to whom such sale is their whole livelihood?
What is intended is to try and arrange a distribution whereby people whose business is solely that of retailing sweets and confectionery will have some opportunity of continuing their business, and will not be completely pushed out.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that was his answer a month ago?
I will look up the date.
Will the hon. Gentleman prohibit the sale of sweets in the cinema theatres, and confine the sale to small shopkeepers?
That suggestion will be considered.
Tea
29.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether any Regulation other than 2F of the Defence of the Realm Act empowers him to purchase or commandeer tea; whether he has taken action under that Regulation; and, if so, whether such action has retrospective effect?
Regulaton2B, in addition to Regulation 2F, empowers the Food Controller to commandeer tea. Action has in some cases been taken under that Regulation, but not with the intention of causing any retrospective effect.
Cocoa-Butter
30 and 31.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether West African and West Indian cocoa contains about 50 percent. of cocoa-butter, which is a most valuable fat for culinary purposes; if so. why is the import of this cocoa restricted whilst the importation of other tropical products with a slightly lower percentage of oil is given every encouragement; (2) whether a duty of 4½d. per lb. is imposed on cocoa-butter sold retail in this country whilst on the same article of food, if exported, the duty is rebated; and, if so, whether he will consider the advisability, in view of the fact that cocoa-butter can be made a valuable butter substitute, of encouraging at the present time the import of both West African cocoa and West Indian cocoa into this country and prohibiting the exportation of cocoa-butter?
It is a fact that West African and West Indian cocoa contains about 50 per cent. of cocoa-butter, on which, sold by retail in the United Kingdom, a duty of 4½d. per lb. is imposed. Since, however, there are already comparatively large stocks of cocoa beans in the United Kingdom, and since the output of cocoa powder and cocoa-butter is limited by the capacity of the manufacturing plant in this country, it has been thought advisable to restrict to a certain extent the importation of West African and West Indian cocoa. The importation of the other oil seeds alluded to by the hon. Member is essential for the margarine industry for which purpose cocoa-butter is not so suitable. The export of cocoa-butter from the United Kingdom is already prohibited.
United Dairies Combine
32.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether his attention has been called to the recent operations of the United Dairies Combine, whereby a virtual control of the supply and distribution of whole and condensed milk to many parts of London and elsewhere has been established; whether these operations have been carried through with his encouragement and approval; whether they are of so great benefit to the consumer and producer as to outweigh the obvious disadvantages of such a monopoly in the hands of a combine trading for profit during the War and subsequently; and if he will either take over the business of the above combine in its entirety or so limit the difference between producers' and consumers' prices as to reduce the possibility of profits to a reasonable rate?
The Food Controller is aware that the United Dairies Combine has under its control the greater part of the supply of liquid milk distributed in London, though it controls only a very small proportion of the condensed milk supply. Its operations have neither been approved nor disapproved by the Food Controller. There are certain advantages in an organised system of distribution, provided that any monopoly obtained is not used to the detriment of the community in general. The Food Controller is considering what steps are proper to be taken in order to protect the interests of the consumer.
Is there any intention on the part of the Ministry of Food of using this combine as the organised means of distribution of the milk supply?
That would depend upon circumstances. We have to use, or not to use, existing organisations according to present requirments.
Farm Supplies
34.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether a person who lives in a town and occupies a farm in the country, which he farms himself, can bring from his farm to his house in the town for his own household's consumption a home-killed fowl, a home-cured piece of bacon, home-made jam, and home-churned butter, or any and which of them, without fear of prosecution?
Yes, Sir.
Does the same apply to mutton from the country?
That will depend upon the mutton.
Does it apply to a syndicated farm? Is the hon. Gentleman aware that it would be quite a simple thing for farmers to let out ÂŁl shares to everybody on their farms, and thus keep everyone supplied?
There is no reference to syndicated farms in this question.
It refers to a farm owner. Must he be the sole owner or does it refer to any shareholder?
That does not arise out of the question.
Can the hon. Gentleman say—it is a matter of some importance— whether, if a man buys a live pig and fattens it, he is allowed to eat the whole pig himself? Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will make it quite clear.
In spite of the many lessons which hon. Members have afforded me, my education on the pig problem is still incomplete, and I desire notice of that question.
Oats (Ireland)
35.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether, following on the seizure and slaughter by their direction of a number of pigs awaiting shipment in Dublin to this country, the Irish Republic Food Committee have stated their intention of preventing the further shipment of oats to Great Britain; and what action the Food Controller intends to take to vindicate his position and prevent the transference of his authority to the food committee named?
I have been asked to reply to this question, and am informed that what is called by the hon. and gallant Member a "seizure and slaughter of pigs" in Dublin appears to have been a prearranged scheme for advertising the existence of the people who are referred to in the question of the hon. and gallant Member as the Irish Republic Food Committee. The Dublin Metropolitan Police are well able to prevent the interference of lawbreakers with legitimate movements of produce, and will have all necessary support in the performance of that duty.
Has the Food Controller of this country got any control at all over the export of food from Ireland or must he act through the Chief Secretary or the Irish Government?
I require notice of that question.
I am asking the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food.
Ration Cards
36.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he will advise an arrangement by which the ration tickets may hold good for two weeks so that small families may be enabled to get an occasional joint?
I am already considering this suggestion; but I propose to wait for a rather longer experience of the scheme before arriving at a decision upon it. I may take this opportunity of stating that, as a temporary measure to provide for any unexpected failure to secure complete distribution in the first week of the London and Home Counties Rationing scheme, Food Control Committees have been authorised, when they think fit, to allow cards or coupons not used in the first week to be used in the second.
Eggs
37.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether preserving eggs in any quantity in water-glass, or other methods, constitutes food hoarding?
If the eggs were produced by hens kept by the preserver the answer is in the negative. If the eggs were acquired, the quantity preserved must be limited to the ordinary and proper requirements of the preserver's household, having regard to all the circumstances of the case.
38.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food what steps are being taken by his Department to avert a famine in eggs, which is likely to occur if the present policy of making it impossible for poultry farmers to keep and maintain their stocks is continued?
In view of the actual and prospective cereal supplies, it is essential to reserve for human consumption all wheat and barley fitted for that purpose. It is, however, hoped to enable hen birds hatched since 1st January, 1916, to receive a ration of dry food not exceeding 1 oz. a day.
May I ask whether some Orders will be issued which will make it clear to the poultry-keepers that they are allowed to purchase quantities of damaged grain?
That, no doubt, will be covered by the announcement that I have indicated in the last part of my answer.
Pigs
40.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food what steps, if any, it is proposed to take in order to prevent the disappearance of the pig as an article of food?
The shortage of concentrated feeding-stuffs rules the situation. But the Board, in consultation with the pig-breeding associations of the country, have framed a scheme for the preservation of all sows suitable for breeding, the increase of the pig population, the allocation to sows and pigs of a proportion of the available meal and cake, the utilisation of food not available for human consumption, and the multiplication of the number of pigs kept by allotment holders and cottagers. Certain questions relating to the prices of pig-meat and of store pigs are still unsettled and prevent me from giving a move detailed answer. I hope to be in a position to reply more fully in the course of the next week.
Did not the right hon. Gentleman, in the excellent speech he made recently, advise people to keep pigs?
Most certainly I did, and I do now. It depends upon the mode in which they are fed.
How can they do it without food?
That is not quite the question, which is whether we can do it with a particular class of food.
Will the right hon. Gentleman provide that particular class of food?
That is beyond my control, and beyond the control of any Department in this country.
Then there will be no pigs!
Fish
39.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether it is intended to reduce the controlled maximum price offish during the summer months?
This is under consideration, and I may point out that Clause of the Fish (Prices) Order provides for the fixing of different prices for fish from time to time.
42.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether his attention has been called to the difficulties retail sellers of fried fish in London have in obtaining either fat or oils in order to carry on their trade; and whether, in view of the importance of this trade in supplying cheap food to many districts of London, he will cause special arrangements to be made by which sufficient fat and oils are supplied to boná fide members of this trade in order to enable them to continue to supply the public with necessary food?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. Special arrangements have already been made, and will soon be in operation for the supplying of the necessary fats and oils to retail sellers of fried fish.
Alcoholic Liquor (Canada)
41.
asked the Parliatary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he has any official information showing that, in order to promote the efficient conduct of the War, the people of the Commonwealth of Canada have prohibited the manufacture and sale of alcoholic liquor; and whether it is proposed that a similar course should be taken to safeguard our supplies of food in this country?
I have no official information to the effect indicated in the first part of the question. Various Canadian provinces are, and have been for some time, prohibition provinces, and the Governor-General in Council, on 2nd November, 1917, prohibited the use in the Dominion of grain or food substances for the distillation of potable liquors, and on 27thNovember, 1917, restricted malting, and the use of malt, to an amount not exceeding the total of the year ending 31st March, 1916. The second part of the question hardly appears to arise. I may, however, point out that there has in this country been no distilling for potable spirits for a considerable period, and that malting has now been prohibited until further order. This will not interfere with the present restricted output of beer, but any surplus stocks of barley not required for the purposes of brewing will thus become available for purposes of direct human consumption.
Will the hon. Gentleman consider the desirability of communicating with the Propaganda Department in order to make known what has been done in Canada, so as to influence public opinion in this country to economise in the destruction of food materials for alcohol?
I will report that in the; proper quarters.
In speaking of "this country" in regard to the prohibition of malting, does the hon. Gentleman include Scotland?
Certainly.
Home-Grown Food
The following Question stood on the Paper in the name of Captain WRIGHT:
52.To ask the Prime Minister whether any, and what, action has been taken by the Government to obviate the disadvantages of the present system of dual control by the Ministry of Food and the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries of production of home-grown food and to stimulate and encourage such production?
I have been asked :to postpone this question, but, in view of the urgent importance of home production, can my right hon. Friend say when I may put it down again?
I shall be very glad if my hon. Friend will put it down, say, on Tuesday next.
Saccharine
57.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, since the use of saccharine, saxine, and the like preparations has now increased to a hitherto unprecedented degree, and is likely further to increase, the Government will obtain and make public the considered opinion of its advisers in the Department of Public Health as to their harmless or harmful character?
I have been asked to reply. I am advised that there is no foundation for the suggestion that the use of saccharine as a sweetening substance is likely to prove injurious to health. The investigations made in 1911 for the United States Department of Agriculture have established the harmlesness of saccharine when taken in ordinary quantities. Doses up to 5 grains daily, i.e., fifteen times the strength of the usual tabloid, were found during long periods to cause no disturbance whatever of digestion or detriment to health in normal adults. A recent report of the Royal Society stated, however, that evidence is lacking as to whether saccharine is equally harmless to children, also that it is in no sense a food, but merely a flavouring agent. The conclusion would seem to be that sugar should be given to children, while saccharine, may be quite safely taken in moderate quantities by healthy adults in tea, coffee; and mineral waters.
Does that apply also to saxine?
I understand so.
When will the increased supply of saccharine be forthcoming?
I understand it is largely dependent upon machinery and transit.
Honey
64.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he has had representations made to him by the Executive Council of the Scottish Beekeepers' Association drawing attention to the necessity of Scotland having 20 tons of sugar for syrup for bee feeding; if so, whether he has represented this case to the Food Controller and with what result; is he aware that the feeding-stuff arranged to be made by Pascall, Limited, at the suggestion of the Food Controller, is expensive and unremunerative; and will he take further steps to secure the sugar in view of the fact that it will return as honey fourteen to sixteen times its weight?
I have been asked to reply. I would refer the hon. Member to the written answer given to the hon. Member for Roxburghshire on 21st February.
Have Scottish bees abandoned the practice of gathering honey all the day from every opening flower, which was attributed to them by a famous namesake of the hon. Member?
I think the answer had better be given by my hon. Friend who put the question.
Since the hon. Gentleman answered me have measures been taken to secure this sugar?
I shall require notice of that question.
Cockenzie Golf Course
65.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he is aware that the Board of Agriculture on several occasions refused its consent to the ploughing up for potatoes and other crops of Cockenzie and Port Seton Golf Course, although this course has been practically unused for the last two years; whether he is aware that the district food committee repeatedly advised the Department to consent to its cultivation ; and whether he will say what were the reasons influencing his Department to prevent this scheme of food production, in view of the present, war situation?
My right hon. Friend is aware of the facts of the case. The Food Committee took a different view at different times on the subject, and the Board were of opinion that under all the circumstances the course ultimately suggested would involve a certain amount of hardship. My right hon. Friend has instructed that the case should receive further consideration, and he is also considering a general investigation in regard to the possibilities of further action in regard to golf courses.
Labour War, Dublin (Patrick Higgins)
9.
asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if he is aware that Patrick Higgins was sentenced to ten years' penal servitude for an offence committed during the labour war in Dublin in 1913; if he is aware that at that time the workers were engaged in a fight for a living wage and that during the exciting events of that year Higgins was arrested and, on the occasion of his first trial, the jury disagreed and, on being retried at the City Sessions, he was found guilty; if he is aware that at the trial Constable M'Garry stated that Higgins was not the guilty man; and if, having regard to the state of the city at the time and considering the disagreement of the jury, that Higgins has now been in prison almost five years, that his wife and children are being supported by friends, and that Captain Bowen-Coulthurst is now a free man, he will take steps to remove the growing dissatisfaction in Dublin caused by the detention of Higgins by ordering his discharge or recommending the reconsideration of his case
Patrick Higgins has been in penal servitude since 15th January, 1915, on conviction of an attempt to murder a police officer, which he has himself admitted. No grounds for his release have been shown since August last, when the Chief Secretary answered a previous question of the hon. Member on the same subject.
Hunger Strike (Ireland)
12.
asked the Chief Secretary whether he is aware that persons convicted as ordinary criminals in Ireland and not able to put forward the plea that they are suffering imprisonment as adherents of the Irish Republic are now able to claim the privileges of the Temporary Discharge of Prisoners Act; whether a man sentenced on the 14th instant to a year's imprisonment for a theft of ÂŁ8 10s. at the Cork Assizes has been already released in consequence of his going on hunger-strike ; and will he consult the Law Officers of the Crown as to whether the Temporary Discharge of Prisoners Act can be used in this way to defeat the ends of justice?
The answer to the first, second and third inquiries in this question is in the negative. The man referred to did not go on hunger strike, and was not released under the Act mentioned. He was found, after conviction, to be suffering from disease which needed treatment unobtainable in prison, and was discharged to a hospital in order that he might undergo such treatment.
16.
asked the Home Secretary if he will state the condition of Joseph Robinson, now in Duke Street Prison, Glasgow; if he is being forcibly fed; and if he will allow a medical expert to visit him and report on his treatment?
My right hon. Friend the Secretary for Scotland is advised that there is nothing in the state of Robinson's health to cause any anxiety. Robinson has not been, and is not being, forcibly fed. If the necessity arises, the usual medical experts of the Prison Commissioners are available, and will be consulted.
Special Constables (Steel Helmets)
15
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will consider the propriety of issuing a steel helmet for special constables in the Metropolitan area, in view of the danger they incur in proceeding to their stations during the barrage of the air raids?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer which was given to the hon. Member for Tottenham yesterday.
Factory Workers (Loss Of Sight)
17.
asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that many discharged soldiers and civilians who have lost the sight of one eye are frequently refused work at factories because the employer is rendered liable to compensation for total loss of sight in case of such a man losing the sight of the other eye; and whether he will consider the possibility in these circumstances of making some arrangement which would safeguard the interests of the employer and at the same time ensure that such men were able to obtain work?
Representations on this subject have been made to the Home Office. The question will be considered by the Committee which I am appointing to make immediate inquiry into the difficulties arising in regard to the application of workmen's compensation to disabled soldiers and sailors.
Is he aware that disabled soldiers and sailors have great difficulty in obtaining employment, and will the right hon. Gentleman see if some employment cannot be given to those who have served their country?
This is only a question of compensation.
Mr Litvinoff
18.
asked whether any steps have been taken to ascertain the nationality and religion of Mr. Litvinoff; whether any steps have been taken to ascertain the origin of his passport; whether he will say by whom it was issued; whether he will say whether Mr. Litvinoff is a Russian linguist; and, if not, what language is employed at the alleged Embassy in London?
As far as I am aware, Mr. Litvinoff is of Russian nationality, holds, or recently held, a Russian passport, and speaks Russian. I do not know what his religion is. I believe that Russian is the language used at his office.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say who.granted his passport and who signed it?
The Russian Vice- Consul.
Is this House to understand that, despite the fact that the Government state that they do not recognise Lenin and Trotsky as the Russian Government, they recognise their signature on passports, and do they intend to continue to do so?
The passport was granted by the previous Russian Government.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that Litvinoff is the representative of Trotsky and Lenin in this country, and as they represent only a. small German Jewish minority in Russia, and not the Russian people, will he give this matter his consideration?
I have given the matter consideration. This passport was granted by the representative of the previous Russian Government.
Is the right hon. Gentleman prepared to consider the advisability of removing Mr. Litvinoff from this country, having regard to his activities in our arsenals and other works?
The question has been considered, and we are continuing to consider it.
23.
asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that M. Litvinoff was a friend and comrade of Trotsky and Lenin, and that he has been sending round revolutionary literature to munition works and trades unions in this country; and whether he is to be allowed to continue this, although against the rules of the Defence of the Realm Act?
I am aware of M. Litvinoff's position and activities. He will certainly not be allowed to circulate literature in contravention of the law.
In view of the fact that Litvinoff is a comrade of Trotsky and Lenin, who have brought starvation and bloodshed into Russia with German money, is not this man doing the same thing in this country, and cannot the right hon. Gentleman take prompt steps to stop this sort of thing going on? Why is he allowed to stop in this country at all?
That is a matter better raised in debate, when I can give a full answer.
Having regard to the answer that steps will be taken, is the right hon. Gentleman aware that Mr. Litvinoff has already issued revolutionary literature, does he propose to prosecute him for what has already been done; and will the right hon. Gentleman remember that while he is considering, the Government and the country are sitting on the edge of a volcano?
It is not a question of considering. I know exactly what I am going to do, and why I am going to do it, but I do not think it is desirable to discuss these matters now across the floor of the House.
Will the right hon. Gentleman look sharp about it?
Defence Of The Realm Regulations
Seizure Of Property
19.
asked whether the owners of property seized under Regulation 51 of the Defence of the Realm Acts are to be allowed to appear personally or through counsel before the Advisory Committee to show cause why their property should not be destroyed?
I would refer the hon. Member to the written reply which I gave to the senior Member for Blackburn on the 18th instant.
20.
asked whether the booklets seized from 52, Anderton Park Road, Birmingham, the residence of the Secretary of the Birmingham Fellowship of Reconciliation, are to be submitted to the Advisory Committee?
No, Sir. I saw the booklet, and being satisfied that it contravened the Regulations, gave my consent to its destruction some time before the Advisory Committee was appointed.
German Atrocities (Belgium)
21.
asked whether the official German White Book of May, 1915, dealing with, the. question of the German atrocities in Belgium, has been excluded from this country and its translation prohibited by the Censor?
I understand that no application has been made for a licence to import copies of this book. The question of issuing a translation was raised in 1916, but as the book consisted largely of false statements with regard to our Allies, the Belgians, the Press Bureau refused at that time to sanction the issue.
Italian Aliens
22.
asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that aliens from Italy are being allowed passports to come into and to stay in this country, whilst the French Government, though allowing these same men to travel through France, have refused to allow them to stay in that country; and whether he proposes to take any action in the matter?
I am not aware of any practice of the kind suggested in the question, but if the hon. and gallant Member will give me particulars of any case I will have inquiries made.
Is it not a fact that these aliens who are coming into this country have been prevented from stopping in France by the French Government?
I am not sure of that. I understand that they have been allowed to go through.
They may pass through France but they are not allowed to stop there, and why should they be allowed to stop in this country?
That is the effect, of course, of the passport.
"Industrial Workers Of The World"
24.
asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the fact that the organisation known as the "Industrial Workers of the World" has now obtained a: footing in this country, and in view of the fact that they were only suppressed in America and Australia after they had done damage by creating industrial disturbances and by sabotage, he will now take steps to have this organisation suppressed and its adherents watched by the police and prevented from creating industrial disturbances?
The facts with regard to this organisation are known to me. A prosecution of members of the organisation has recently taken place, and any further measures which it maybe found desirable to take are not likely to be assisted by announcing beforehand what is in contemplation.
Does the right hon. Gentleman remember that on the 29th October last he said that there was nothing in this organisation at all, and that there would not be if I did not advertise it? Now that the right hon. Gentleman knows that these people have got a footing in this country, will he sit up and take notice?
Ships' Davits And Tackle
27.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Shipping Controller whether the latest and best davits and tackle are always used for British shipping at the present time; and whether any loss of life has been sustained in cases where vessels have been torpedoed owing to defective provisions in this behalf?
My hon. Friend has asked me to answer this question. Constant improvements are being made in davits and tackle, and it is not possible to require the latest invention at any particular moment to be adopted compulsorily on every ship, but all boat-lowering gear on board British ships must comply with certain definite conditions, and must be fit for the service for which it is intended. Loss of life has occurred through defective gear, but such accidents as occur in connection with boat-lowering gear are generally due to the conditions under which it has to be used and not to inherent defects in the gear itself.
Would the hon. Member consider the advisability of insisting that on all ships there should be deck rafts that float off when the vessel sinks?
All these matters are being constantly considered, and every effort is made to save life.
Air Force
Aerodromes (Agricultural Labour)
43.
asked the Under-Secretary of State to the Air Ministry whether he is aware that, as a result of the high wages paid for unskilled labour on aero dromes in Kent, farms in the neighbourhood are being denuded of the necessary agricultural labour; and what steps are being taken to prevent the consequent difficulties placed in the way of farmers?
Yes, Sir; I am aware of the complaints that have been received on this matter, and instructions have been issued to contractors that they are to engage labour exclusively through the medium of Employment Exchanges. The latter are being directed not to send forward for employment on aerodrome construction men whose last employer was a farmer or who are known to be agricultural labourers.
Does that apply to all Government contractors?
I am afraid I cannot answer that myself.
Is not the real solution for the farmers to pay higher wages?
Motor Cars
44.
asked the Under secretary of State to the Air Ministry whether any member of the present Air Council has, since or before the passing of the Air Force Act, used cars which are or were the property of the Royal Flying Corps or of the Royal Naval Air Service for the purpose of transporting actresses and/or other lady friends to or from theatres in London; whether any woman volunteer driver employed by the Royal Flying Corps has been kept on duty late at night driving such a car or cars; whether such duty is included in the purpose for which these ladies volunteered; whether Service cars may be properly used for such purpose; and whether, if such use of Service cars and/or drivers can be proved, it is proposed that such an officer should remain a member of the Air Council?
I have no information which bears out the suggestion contained in the first part of the question, and would invite the hon. Member to communicate to me any facts on which it may be based.
Provided that I do communicate the facts, and they are, as stated in. the question, will action be taken with regard to the officer in question? May I ask for a reply?
The hon. Member will observe that the Under-Secretary to the Air Ministry is not here, and that the question is only being answered for him by the hon. and gallant Gentleman.
Air Raids (German Towns)
47.
asked the Prime Minister whether his attention, has been called to the statement by the Secretary of State for War to the effect that he was opposed to a policy of bombing German towns ; and, if so, whether he will consider the desirability of putting a soldier in charge of the War Office?
The answer is in the negative.
Are we to understand that the answer is in the negative to the effect that the Secretary of State for War is in favour of bombing German towns?
No; the question put to mo is whether my attention has been called to a statement of his. To that the answer is in the negative. I believe there is no foundation for the other suggestion either.
Are we to understand that Lord Derby is in favour of bombing German towns?
If the hon. Member chooses to put a question on that subject, he will get an answer.
Easter Bank Holidays
49.
asked the Prime Minister whether the Government has decided to allow the usual Bank Holidays at Easter this year?
It is not proposed to disturb the ordinary arrangements in regard to the Easter Bank Holidays generally, but special arrangements may, of course, have to be made in regard to particular establishments in which work is being done for the Government.
National Registration(Irishmen)
53.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the position of Irishmen temporarily resident in Great Britain under the new Registration Act; and whether it is proposed to use this registration for any form of military service at a later date?
I have been asked to answer this question. The duty of registering under the new Act does not depend upon residence. The Act requires all male persons in Great Britain who have attained the age of fifteen years since 15th August, 1915, or who since that date have ceased to be members of His Majesty's Forces, to be registered. The National Service Department have access to the registers, but liability to military service does not depend upon registration. It is governed by the provisions of the Military Service Acts. It does not appear to me that Irishmen who have come to this country from Ireland since August, 1915, are liable to register themselves. If there is any doubt on the subject it can only be settled by a Court of Law.
Home Propaganda
48.
asked the Prime Minister who has been appointed Director of Propaganda in the United Kingdom, or, if no such appointment has been made, who is responsible for the proper dissemination in this country of information regarding the aims, objects, words, and deeds of enemy and neutral countries?
A Director of Home Propaganda has not been appointed, and such an appointment is not in contemplation. The War Aims Committee is engaged in doing the work suggested in the last part of the question.
British Prisoners Of War
50.
asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware that a British medical officer just returned from Westphalia, who has been attending to British prisoners sent back from the coal mines and factories in that district because they are unable to work any longer on account of being starved, ill-treated, and beaten till their flesh is like pulp, has. stated and. is prepared, to give evidence that no bandages are provided for their wounds, that the medicine is known as being a complete sham and having no value, and that they are treated worse than slaves and no neutrals allowed to visit them; and what steps the Government intend to take in the matter?
Before I can give a satisfactory answer to this question, I must ask the hon. Member to communicate to me in confidence the name of the medical officer to whom he refers, in order that inquiries may be made,
I will do so.
Inasmuch as the medical officer appears to have seen such things, will the hon. Gentleman have this statement published, so that the people of this country may understand what they are up against?
I cannot authorise the publication; I think it must depend upon the exact nature of the statement. I would not really give a promise in the matter now.
Military Service
Conscientious Objectors
66.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether his attention has been called to the case of John Poison, a conscientious objector imprisoned in Calton Gaol, who is at present suffering from kidney trouble and is otherwise ill; and, if so, whether he proposes to release this man under the new concessions, or whether it is intended to detain him until something serious happens, as in the two cases in English prisons where the men were suffering from bronchial pneumonia, but their release was refused until death ensued?
My right hon. Friend's attention has been called to this case. The reports of the medical examination of the prisoner by the medical officer of the prison and by the medical advisers of the Prison Commissioners negative the suggestions contained in the first part of the question, and the remainder of the question does not, therefore, arise.
Does the hon. and learned Gentleman maintain that this man is in quite good health, judging from the medical reports he has received?
I think that follows from the answer I have read.
Telegraphists
80.
asked the Postmaster-General whether an Order has been issued by his Department that male telegraphists and male learners of telegraphy, even if Al men, are not to be released for military service until they reach the age of nineteen years ; whether there are sufficient female operators and learners in the Department to carry on; and whether all males of eighteen years and upwards in his Department will be put on the same conditions of military service as applies to men of the same age who happen to be in civilian employment?
The men in question are released as soon as they are needed by the military authorities. The telegraph staff of the Post Office is greatly depleted by enlistments, and it is of advantage to retain these young men on civil duties until they are actually required for active service. The arrangement has the sanction of the Minister of National Service.
Man-Power
Government Departments (Men Of Military Age)
73.
asked the Minister of National Service if lie will consider the advisability of setting up a small Committee to investigate the cases of staff of military age in Government Departments, with a view to releasing as many additional men as possible, by amalgamating branches of Departments, substituting men who have been wounded or had long service, such Committee to include a representative; appointed by the labour interest?
I must refer the hon. and gallant Member to the reply given to him yesterday by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The employment of men of military age in Government Departments is constantly under review by the War Cabinet and by the Ministry of National Service.
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether the Committee under the presidency of Sir J. Bradbury has done anything up to the present? If so, have they issued any report, and when is the Report to be presented to this House?
I think that is a matter for the Leader of the House.
Will the hon. Gentleman communicate with the Minister of National Service, under whose Department this comes, and ask if he will take steps to see whether anything can be done, and whether it can be communicated to this House?
Perhaps the hon. Member is not aware that this question is constantly being considered. We are constantly getting men out from the Government Departments who can be spared; but there is a real shortage of competent men in the Civil Service.
Is the House to understand that many of these Departments are not overstaffed, and that the subject matter of this question is incorrect?
The hon. Member is now talking about Departments being overstaffed. He was speaking of men of military age. The Civil Service is constantly supplying a quota of men, and many people think that men have been combed out to a very dangerous extent.
Reserves In Industries
74.
asked what, if any, reserve of men of military age can be drawn without detriment to their efficiency and output from the coal-mining, iron and steel, and shipbuilding industries?
It is not considered to be in the national interest to state the numbers asked for by my hon. Friend. The numbers of men to be withdrawn from the various essential industries are in all cases determined after a full consideration of the effect on output as well as of military requirements.
Women Recruits
75.
asked what are the arrangements in force or in contemplation for the recruiting of women for the Navy, Army, and Air services; and, in particular, if he will state whether it is proposed that such recruiting as may be required for any or all of these Services, will be entrusted to one organisation in order to avoid the additional expense which will be incurred if arrangements have to be made by these Services independently for recruiting and for medical officers and hostels?
The Government having decided that the Ministry of National Service shall be responsible for controlling the recruiting of women, the Ministry of National Service is considering, in consultation with the Departments concerned, proposals which will provide for the economies referred to by the hon. Member.
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether this work has hitherto been done by the Labour Exchanges; whether this question has been referred to the Treasury for sanction, and, if so referred, whether it has been sanctioned or refused?
I think I had better have notice of that question.
Can the hon. Gentleman say when a decision is likely to be reached, as it has been a long time in hand?
As I have said, the Government have decided that the Ministry of National Service shall be responsible, and we are in consultation with the Departments concerned.
Does the hon. Gentleman know whether this question has or has not been referred to the Treasury?
I think all these sort of questions are referred to the Treasury.
If it has been referred, has it been refused or has it been sanctioned?
We are negotiating with the various Departments concerned in order to harmonise things.
Representation Of The People Act
62.
asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether, in view of the great interest and importance of the Representation of the People Act to Mem- bers and their constituencies he will instruct the Stationery Office to supply a copy of the Act to all Members who apply for the same at the Vote Office?
A copy of the Representation of the People Act is available at the Vote Office for any Member who may apply.
Soldiers' And Sailors' Dependants (Eviction)
63.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he proposes to take any action, and, if so, what, in order to prevent the dependants of soldiers and sailors who are engaged on any of the various fronts from being evicted from their homes in Scotland on the alleged ground that the houses have been sold, when in reality the payment of the purchase price is so delayed that it amounts only to an enhanced yearly rent?
I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the answer given by my right hon. Friend on the 17th January last to the hon. Member for Leicester, to which he is not yet in a position to add.
Munitions
Electric Power Company (Advances)
67.
asked the Minister of Munitions whether any public money has been advanced to the Shropshire, Worcestershire, and Staffordshire Electric Power Company; if so, how much; is it contemplated to advance any further sums; if so, to what amount; if he is aware that the promoters of this company were originally a German syndicate ;and whether men of German nationality are still on the directorate of the parent company?
Up to the present ÂŁ120,000 of public money have been advanced to this company. It is anticipated that a further loan, not exceeding ÂŁ80,000, will be needed to complete the extensions which are required to meet urgent war demands. So far as I am aware there is no truth in the statement that the promoters of this company were originally a German syndicate. I understand that the present directors are all British-born subjects, with the exception of one gentleman who was born in Saxony and became a naturalised British subject in 1881.
Can the hon. Gentleman give any sufficient reason why national funds should be advanced to this company?
Yes; because the power is required for urgent war purposes.
Have the powers yet been granted by this House to advance the money and for the extension of this company?
My hon. Friend should understand that this is a loan made to enable this country to produce power which is required for munition works and other urgent war purposes.
House Rents (Wellshot, Cambuslang)
68.
asked the Minister of Munitions if he has received a memorial respecting the rents of houses erected by the Ministry of Wellshot, Cambuslang; and what steps he has taken in the matter?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given to the hon. Member for West Fife and circulated with the OFFICIAL REPORT yesterday.
Amalgamated Society Of Shuttlemakers
69.
asked the Minister of Munitions whether his attention has been called to correspondence between the Priority Department and the Amalgamated Society of Shuttlemakers; whether he s aware that the masters' association have refused to agree to arbitration on an application for an increase of wages, which has resulted in a stoppage of work; that one firm, Messrs. Kirk and Company, Black burn, have conceded the application; that the bulk of this firm's output is designed for export, being of no use in the Lancashire cotton industry; that Messrs. Kirk have been informed that further export' prohibited in order to ensure that the supply of shuttles is available for this country while the output is restricted; that this decision is practically penalising Messrs. Kirk and their workpeople to the advantage of the masters' association; an I whether, in view of the fact that the firm have expressed their willingness to meet any home demands, this embargo upon export will be removed, thus enabling the firm to continue their business and avoid from 80 to 90 percent. of their workpeople being thrown out of work?
Upon the receipt of information of a probable strike of shuttle-makers it became necessary to prohibit the export of shuttles from this country, so as to safeguard the textile industry engaged upon war production from a shortage in the supply of shuttles. This suspension of export was a temporary measure of general application affecting all firms alike. There was no discrimination in the case of Messrs. Kirk and Company, and the temporary suspension of shipment did not, so far as I am aware, affect continuity of manufacture on the part of this firm. I understand that the strike is now over, and that the prohibition of export has been removed, as from Monday last, 25th February.
Female Workers Discharged (Payment Of Fares)
( by Private Notice)
asked the Minister of Munitions whether it is the intention of his Department to pay the fares of the munition female workers discharged from Southampton controlled establishments and from factories in other districts to their homes in Scotland and elsewhere, in view of the facts that these women have not funds to pay the fares themselves, and were induced by advertisements of his Departments and otherwise to leave their homes and help the country in its need for munitions?
This matter has been submitted to the Treasury, and it has now been agreed that the women who left their homes to undertake munitions work, and who have been thrown out of employment In consequence of a reduction in the munitions programme, shall be provided with free railway warrants to return to their homes. In making this announcement I would earnestly appeal to these women, whose work in the munitions factories has been of great value to the State, readily to undertake one of the other forms of National Service now open to them, and in which there is most urgent need for labour.
Does that include all the workers who wish to return home?
I think my answer is quite definite. It refers to those women who left their homes to undertake munitions work and who have been thrown out of the work owing to termination of contracts.
Will the communication be made to the women appealing to them to give their services in other directions?
I have no doubt the question and answer will give the necessary publicity. If anything more is necessary, we will do that.
Damage To Roads, Queensferry
71.
asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty whether he is aware that damage has been done to the streets and roads within the burgh of Queens ferry in consequence of the extraordinary traffic for which the Admiralty is solely responsible; whether the officials of the Road Board, after examination of the damage done, have satisfied themselves that the claim for compensation made by the burgh authorities is just; and whether the Admiralty intend to meet the claim or to allow the burden of the cost of repairing the roads to fall on the local ratepayers, and so to force the limited resources of this small burgh to bear a heavy charge which cannot yield any return?
We are aware that the officials of the Road Board, after examination of the damage done, have satisfied themselves that the claim for compensation made by the burgh authorities is just; but, after a careful examination of the facts, we are satisfied that there is no evidence that the extraordinary traffic referred to was authorised or controlled by us. I may point out that the presence of the Fleet in the vicinity has presumably brought increased financial prosperity to the burgh, which should counterbalance any increased incidental expenditure on public services.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the very heavy sums necessary to repair the roads cannot be borne by this small burgh?
If the traffic was extraordinary and within our control we should take the responsibility, but that is not the case
Naval Shipwrights' Pay
72.
asked the Secretary to the Admiralty whether the Admiralty have now considered the requests and petitions forwarded by naval shipwrights with reference to their names, pay, and status; and, if so, will he state the Admiralty decisions theron?
As regards titles, the former titles of the officers of this branch, which no longer correspond to the duties carried out by them, have been altered as follows:
Former Title. | New Title. |
Carpenter Lieutenant Commander | Shipwright Lieutenant Commander |
Carpenter Lieutenant | Shipwright Lieutenant |
Chief Carpenter | Commissioned Shipwright |
Carpenter | Warrant Shipwright |
The pay of shipwright lieutenants and commissioned shipwrights has been raised by Is. a day as from the 14th December last. This increase in pay is purely a matter of rectification, and is not in any way connected with the general question of pay, which is at present under consideration by a Committee. Officers of the branch will in future wear a similar distinguishing stripe to that worn by officers of the Corps of Naval Constructors—namely, a narrow stripe of silver-grey cloth on the cuff. The whole question of the pay and position of naval shipwrights (men) is at present engaging the attention of the Committee appointed for the purpose.
Foreign Securities(Investment)
54.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is taking any steps to prevent for the duration of the War investment of British moneys in foreign securities?
As the hon. Member is aware, no foreign loan may be floated in this country without the consent of the Treasury. Further, under the provisions