House Of Commons
Tuesday, 5th March, 1918.
The House met at a Quarter before Three of the clock, Mr. Speaker in the Chair.
Board Of Education
Copy presented of Regulations under which Special Grants in aid of certain Local Education Authorities in England and Wales will be paid in 1918-19 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Universities Of Oxford And Cambridge Act, 1877 (Oxford)
Copy presented of Statute made by the Governing Body of All Souls College, Oxford, on 3rd November, 1917, and sealed on 30th November, 1917, amending Statute III., Clause 7, of the Statutes of the College [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
War Office Act, 1870
Copy presented of Order in Council, dated 27th February, 1918, deferring, inter alia, the duties of the Master General of the Ordnance and the Finance Member of the Army Council [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
Naval And Marine Pay And Pensions Act, 1865
Copy presented of Order in Council, dated 4th March, 1918, granting the honorary rank of Captain R.M.A. to Lieutenant B. S. Green, M.V.O., R.M.A., Director of Music [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
Representation Of The People Act, 1918
Copy presented of Order in Council, dated 4th March, 1918, fixing the date of operation of the first Register to be prepared under the Act [by Act]; to lie upon the Table.
Church Estates Commission
Copy presented of Sixty-seventh Report from the Church Estates Commissioners for the year preceding 1st March, 1918 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Colonial Reports (Annual)
Copy presented of Colonial Report, No. 955 (Nyassaland, Report for 1916–17) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.
Oral Answers To Questions
War
Russia (Japanese Intervention)
1.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether there has been before the British Government any proposal that Japan should occupy or send troops to any part of Russian territory; and whether any action on the part of any of the Allies has been taken or is contemplated in order to protect their interests in the far East of Russia?
I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the answer returned yesterday to the hon. Member for Hanley. I have nothing to add to it.
Can we hope for a statement upon this subject not later than Thursday, when a Vote of Credit will be moved?
The hon. Member can hope for it.
Can he hope with any prospect of realising his hope?
May I ask whether, before any decision is taken on this question, there will be an opportunity for discussion in this House?
I do not know as to that matter.
Is the Government afraid of discussion?
Ex-King Constantine
2.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will arrange, in such a form that Members of this House may have cognisance of it, the communications which have been exchanged between this Government and that of Greece since the deposition of King Constantine relating to the pension to be paid to him?
In view of the doubt which existed as to whether the Greek Government were or were not making any payments to the ex-King of Greece, His Majesty's Minister at Athens received instructions early last month to ascertain definitely what action the Greek Government were taking in the matter. Lord Granville was informed, in reply, that no pension had up to now been paid to King Constantine since the latter had from the first refused to accept one. No other communications have passed between His Majesty's Government and the Greek Government in the matter.
Might I ask if these Papers would be accessible to any Member of the House of Commons in order that the inner meaning of these transactions may be seen?
The hon. Member is very suspicious. There is no inner meaning in these transactions. I shall be very pleased to show the hon. Member any Papers that he desires to see on the subject.
Might Task the right hon. Gentleman, in order to remove his suggestion of my suspiciousness, if there is not a real inconsistency between the answers now given and those given some time ago when this pension was defended on that bench?
Never
4.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that there is at the present time at a London tailor's hampers of clothes waiting to be dispatched to King Constantine or an agent acting on his behalf; whether he will state definitely if it is proposed to grant permission for the dispatch of these goods; if so, will he state his reasons for so granting or having granted such permission; and whether, having regard to the fact that King Constantine is notoriously hostile to the Allies, it will be regarded that supplying him with goods of any description constitutes trading with the enemy?
The answer to the first three parts of the question is in the negative. The last part has already been answered.
Might I ask the Noble Lord whether he will say definitely whether it is proposed to dispatch the hampers which are at present lying at Messrs. Davis's, Hanover Square?
That is a large question.
Might I ask the Noble Lord not to introduce humour into this matter? It is a most serious question of principle whether it is proposed to supply people hostile to this country with clothes, and with uniforms at that. Are they German or British uniforms that are being dispatched, and is it proposed to dispatch them or not?
The hon. Member is making a speech.
British Exports (Sweden)
5.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the imports of tea from the United Kingdom to Sweden amounted in 1913 to 245,660 lbs. and in 1916 to 6,614,258 lbs.?
I beg to refer the hon. and gallant Member to the answer returned yesterday to a similar question by the hon. Member for Wimbledon.
Is it a fact that the exports of tea from this country into Sweden have increased twenty-fourfold during that time?
The hon. and gallant Member will find the whole of the facts set out in the answer. I should not like to commit myself to any figure.
Can the Noble Lord say whether it is a fact that this enormous increase did take place?
A very large increase did undoubtedly take place, as set out in the question.
10.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the amount of resin exported to Sweden in 1913 and in 1915?
The total imports of resin into Sweden for 1913 were 6,772 tons, and for 1915 6,382 tons. Of this, there came from Great Britain in 1913 19 tons, and in 1915 1,432 tons, and from Germany in 1913 5,943 tons, and in 1915 81 tons.
9.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what was the amount of pepper exported from the United Kingdom to Sweden in 1913 and also in 1915?
The re-exports of pepper from the United Kingdom to Sweden in 1913 were 21 tons, and in 1915 were 1,166 tons. In 1916 licences for about 20 tons were issued.
Is there any possibility of any of that pepper going through to Germany, and is it a fact that it may be useful in the manufacture of tear shells?
I speak rather ignorantly as to the last point, but I believe that this particular kind of pepper is not used for tear shells. I have no doubt that a considerable portion of the 1,166 tons in 1915 did find its way into Germany. Since that time exports have been cut down to what we believe to be for Swedish uses only.
Switzerland (British Imports)
6.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to the increase in the export of linen piece goods to Switzerland in 1917 as compared with 1913; and whether he will take immediate steps to reduce such exports?
The exports from the United Kingdom were 772,100 yards in 1917 as against 660,000 yards in 1913; but it must be remembered that before the War Switzerland obtained large quantities of linen goods from Germany. Owing to shortage of home supplies, it has not been possible for some time to issue licences for the export of linen goods to Switzerland, and export is unlikely to be resumed for the present.
Can the Noble Lord give an undertaking that none of this increase has gone through to Germany?
It is impossible to give any such undertaking; but, as a matter of fact, I believe that none has gone through. That is my belief.
Is it absolutely clear that in the last six months there have been no exports going to Germany?
It is impossible to be perfectly certain what happens to small parcels, but, generally speaking, I believe that to be true.
Then would it not be better to stop the whole of it?
Is the Noble Lord aware that large quantities of piece goods are regularly sent from Ireland to Switzerland to be embroidered and then returned, and will he see that neither this nor any other legitimate trade is interfered with?
The hon. Member is perfectly right. These questions are extremely complicated and difficult, and it is impossible to dispose of them if you only have regard to one side of the question.
Food Supplies
Dutch Produce (Mr Kroeller)
7 and 11.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (1) whether his attention has been called to the fact that Mr. Kroeller is the principal adviser of the Dutch Ministry of Trade and Agriculture on the distribution of foodstuffs in Holland; whether he is Largely responsible for the Dutch agricultural produce which goes to Germany; is he further aware that Mr. Kroeller has made a very large fortune out of the War, and it has repeatedly been stated in various Dutch newspapers that he is openly hostile to the British Empire; whether representations will be made to the Dutch Government with reference to this matter; (2) whether his attention has been called to the fact that when an arrangement was made between the British and Dutch Governments that potatoes should be exported from Holland in equal quantities to England and Germany, when the time arrived Mr. Kroeller ruled that this could not be done, that no potatoes could be sent to England but everything to Germany as they must have coal; and whether a request will be made to the Dutch Government to remove Mr. Kroeller from his present position as adviser to the Dutch Government?
I understand that Mr. Kroeller holds the position to which reference is made, and I presume accordingly that he is consulted in all matters concerning the export of Dutch produce. With regard to the export of potatoes, the quantity which Holland sent to the United Kingdom last year was, I understand, greater than that sent to Germany. On the other points raised by my hon. and gallant Friend I must point out to him that it is, generally speaking, undesirable to make representations to a foreign Government on such matters.
Is Mr. Kroeller a member of the firm of Mullers, and during the first two years of the War was he in this country and was he received in various Government Departments with confidence?
I cannot speak as to the last part of the hon. and gallant Gentleman's question. I do not know. I cannot speak as to what happened during the first two years of the War without inquiry. As to the other part of the question, he is certainly a partner of Messrs. Mullers and Company, and I am not here to defend Mr. Kroeller.
8.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that Mr. Kroller's steamers of the Batavier Line have for a considerable time been prevented from sailing to England and continue to lie alongside the quay at Rotterdam; and whether any action is to be taken in the matter?
Some ships of the line referred to are laid up—presumably owing to the fear of war risks. The whole question of Dutch shipping is now under consideration.
Civilian Internment Camps
35 and 36.
asked the Home Secretary (1) whether he will state the particulars of the rations now allowed to German and other enemy alien civilians interned in this country; whether any of these persons receive parcels of food from Germany or elsewhere; whether they are permitted to purchase or receive articles of food outside their rations and, if so, to what extent; whether he will take steps to ensure that these persons shall in no case receive foodstuffs in excess of the rations allowed to civilians of British origin in this country; (2) whether any of the German and other enemy alien civilians interned in this country pay the British Government for the food supplied to them by the Government; what is the approximate total annual cost to the Government of feeding these persons; and whether it is possible to deport to Germany such of these persons as are past military age or are women if arrangements for their exchange cannot be made?
The dietary for civilian internment camps has been revised from time to time so as to accord with the Food Regulations for the general population. Its latest form, which I will circulate, has been settled on medical advice and approved by the Food Controller. Prisoners are allowed to receive parcels of food from enemy or neutral countries, but are not allowed to purchase in this country additional articles of food beyond certain necessary condiments and the limited amount of potatoes and herrings specified at the foot of the dietary. The prescribed rations are supplied gratis to all prisoners, but in cases where prisoners earn wages for work done by them the wages are liable to deductions towards maintenance. Owing to the varying conditions of the different camps and the constant changes in prices it is difficult to give any general representative figure for the cost of feeding the prisoners. There are no women interned as prisoners of war, and every opportunity is taken of removing from this country any male prisoner whom there is not good reason for retaining here.
Will my right hon. Friend state approximately the cost of keeping these enemy civilians in this country?
I am afraid I could not do so.
The following is the Dietary referred to —
CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS. | ||
Dietary.
| ||
Bread. | 5 | ozs. |
Biscuit | 3 | ozs. |
Flour | ¾ | oz. |
*Meat (fresh or frozen) | 4. | ozs. |
Or | ||
Meat, Preserved (tinned) | 3 | ozs. |
†Salt-cured Herrings | 12 | ozs. |
‡Herrings | 8 | ozs. |
Edible Fat | ½ | oz. |
* On five days a week. † On two days a week. | ||
‡ For breakfast three days a week. |
Tea | ¼ | oz. |
or | ||
Coffee | ½ | oz. |
Sugar | 1 | oz. |
Salt | ½ | oz. |
Pepper (black) | ½ | oz. |
Oatmeal | 4 | ozs. |
Syrup or Jam | 1 | oz. |
Split Peas or Beans or Rice | 1 | oz. |
Potatoes | 20 | ozs. |
Fresh Vegetables (other than Potatoes) or Fruit | 4 | ozs. |
Each prisoner of war employed on such work as the Government shall determine will be issued additional food, consisting of 2 ozs. of bread, 3 ozs. of biscuit, 1 oz. of cheese daily. In no other case will this additional food be given except on medical certificate.
Purchases from canteens not to exceed 6 ozs. of potatoes or fresh vegetables and one herring not to exceed 8 ozs. uncooked.
Argentine Supplies
74.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Shipping Controller whether the strikes of workmen in the Argentine are interfering with the shipments of frozen meat and cereals to this and Allied countries; and what steps, if any, are being taken in connection therewith?
Shipments of frozen meat and cereals have been interfered with only to a slight extent through the recent strikes in the Argentine; the situation is being carefully watched and every effort will be made to obviate further trouble.
Railway Employment (Agricultural Labourers)
77.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that the Great Western Railway Company, by superior attractions at Dawlish, Devon, are inducing men now engaged in food production to leave their employment; and will he say what steps he proposes to take in the matter?
The Board have been in communication, with the Railway Executive Committee on this subject, and the facts are as stated in the question. The correspondence is being placed before the Ministry of National Service, and it is hoped that a satisfactory solution of the difficulty may be found.
Swine Fever
78.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that the rigid adherence to the Swine Fever Orders with regard to slaughter and movements has resulted in a serious diminution of pig breeding; and whether he will consider the advisability of modifying these Regulations and arrange to have the serum treatment more generally adopted?
The Board cannot accept the statement contained in the first part of the question. The Regulations dealing generally with swine lever have been considerably modified during the War, and the serum treatment is now carried as far as it can be carried on the existing voluntary basis. I shall be glad to arrange for the hon. Member to discuss the whole question with the Chief Administrative and Veterinary Officers of the Board if he so wishes.
I will avail myself of the opportunity.
South African War Pensions
12.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War the-number of widows of soldiers who have died in connection with the Transvaal War who are in receipt of pensions?
The number of these widows is, approximately, 1,300.
13.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether his attention has been drawn to the case of Mrs. Mercy Elizabeth Baker, widow of Company Sergeant-Major Alfred John, Baker, No. 180, late 2nd Royal Warwickshire Regiment; and whether she can be granted a pension, in view of the fact that her husband who had served in the South African War and earned the Distinguished Conduct Medal, joined the Remount Depot at Pluckley on the outbreak of the present War, and was among the first to volunteer for France, but at the urgent request of the commandant remained at the depot, and was killed by a fall from his horse as he was returning from leave to duty?
Alfred Baker was employed at the Remount Depot in a civilian capacity, and there is, therefore, no power to grant his wife the pension of a soldier's widow. I am inquiring further in to the circumstances of the case in order to see whether any award can be made under the Workmen's Compensation Act.
Bombay Route (Army Transport)
15.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he can now state the nature of the inquiries which were made with reference to the case of the transport used on the Bombay route in October and November last; and whether steps were taken to obtain evidence from the non-commissioned officers and men who were conveyed by this transport?
In view of further representations that have been received, I am having special reports called for from the officer in command of the troops on board, the medical officer in charge, and two other medical officers who did duty on the voyage, and from the shipping company concerned. I am also having inquiries instituted amongst the rank and file of the various drafts which were on board. I am afraid that all this investigation will take some time to complete, but I will let my hon. and gallant Friend know the result as soon as possible.
Mesopotamia (Leave)
16.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the men who have served for two and a half years or longer, consecutively, in the East will now be granted leave; and whether, in urgent cases, they will be further granted agricultural leave?
I understand my hon. and gallant Friend to be referring to Mesopotamia. Leave in that theatre of war is dependent, as elsewhere, on transport facilities, and the difficulties in this connection have been frequently explained. I understand that leave to India is granted to as many men as it is possible to arrange transport for and having regard to the military situation, but I am afraid that leave to this country can only be arranged in the most exceptional circumstances, and the suggestion, therefore, of special agricultural leave is hardly practicable.
Maisons Tolerees (France)
17.
asked the Under Secretary of State for War whether the practice of leaving maisons tolerées in France within bounds for British troops has been in force since the beginning of the War?
As far as my information goes, the question of placing maisons tolerées in France out of bounds does not arise unless British troops have been misconducting themselves under circumstances which, in the interest of discipline, render it necessary to place such institutions out of bounds.
Is the War Office now considering the question of putting these places out of bounds for British troops?
I can add nothing to the statement I made the other day.
That means that they have not so placed them?
That is so.
Has the opinion of the Commander-in-Chief been taken on this matter?
Cavalry (Officers)
18.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether there is a shortage of officers for the Cavalry in Palestine and Mesopotamia; and, if so, whether the claims of officers and non commissioned officers of Yeomanry regiments now dismounted and attached to Infantry battalions in France, whose long previous training in Cavalry work is now wasted, can be considered in selecting such officers or candidates for commissions?
There is at present no shortage nor is there any expectation of a shortage. If the necessity arises we shall certainly draw on the sources indicated by my hon. and gallant Friend.
Military Service
Soldiers Over Military Age
19.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the War Office are prepared to consider the position of men who volunteered for service on the outbreak of war when over military age; whether many of these men are now upwards of fifty years of age, and in some cases have served continuously in the trenches; and whether, in the cases of men with domestic obligations, the War Office is prepared to favourably consider applications for discharge to enable them to take up work of national importance in private life?
Applications based on domestic or compassionate grounds are, even if the applicant is category "A," sympathetically considered for a period of Home service, especially if the man concerned enlisted voluntarily and has served abroad for any considerable period. The man-power situation does not admit of the release of any fit men from the Army, and only cases of a most exceptional nature can, therefore, be considered.
Jewish Battalion (Private J Ruben)
23.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War why Private J. Ruben, No. 110lJ, Jewish Battalion, has been drafted overseas after only three weeks in the Army and without any embarkation leave?
The man referred to by my hon. Friend had served for two months and ten days when drafted to complete his training overseas with his battalion. I am informed that he was given embarkation leave prior to leaving.
Conscientious Objectors
31.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on what charge J. P. Hughes, a conscientious objector, at Dartmoor, was arrested; whether it followed the report of Major Terrell; and whether that report will be published?
The Committee on Employment of. Conscientious Objectors requested the Army Council to recall this man to his unit for refusing to work and for persuading other men to refuse to work. Before deciding to take this course the Committee had before them the report of an inquiry held at Prince town by the hon. and learned Member for Gloucester, the reports made to them by the manager and other officers of the work centre, and the man's own statement. The reply to the third part of the question is in the negative.
Tuberculosis
79.
asked the Minister of National Service whether his attention has been called to cases of men who have been enlisted into the Army while suffering from tuberculosis and who had produced certificates from the tuberculosis officer which were ignored by the medical boards; and whether he proposes to issue instructions to the medical boards, inconformity with Army Council Instruction No. 908/16, providing that a certificate from the tuberculosis officer or the medical officer of health is satisfactory evidence that a man is suffering from tuberculosis and that no further diagnosis is necessary?
No, Sir, I am not aware of any such cases. Certificates from tuberculosis officers are not ignored by National Service Medical Boards. On the contrary, all such certificates and all the evidence obtained from tuberculosis officers are carefully considered as directed in National Service Instruction No. 18, of 1917, which has been referred to in previous answers made on this subject to my hon. and gallant Friend. It must, however, be obvious that the decision in any case in which the presence of tuberculosis is alleged must rest with the medical board who are responsible for the diagnosis. I may add that the procedure laid down in the National Service Instruction was settled in consultation with some of the most eminent specialists in pulmonary disease in this country, and with the full concurrence of the Local Government Board. The Army Council Instruction to which my hon. and gallant Friend refers is, I am informed, about to be withdrawn, and an Instruction embodying National Service Instruction No. 18 will be circulated by the War Office for the information and guidance of their medical officers.
Farmers' Sons
80.
asked the Minister of National Service whether his attention has been called to the number of farmers' sons throughout the country there are engaged on the land and who are very fit militarily and between the. ages eighteen and twenty-five; and, if so, has he considered the advisability of substituting for these men soldiers of agricultural experience who have done their share of the fighting on the various fronts?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given to him on the 24th January by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of National Service, and to the answer given by the Under-Secretary of State for War to the hon. and gallant Member for Banffshire on the 5th February.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say how many farmers' sons of between fifteen and eighteen there are in the country?
I cannot go into that.
Has substitution taken effect to any extent in the case of farmers' sons?
There is a shortage of really skilled agricultural labour in this country, and at present we are engaged in reinforcing the supply of skilled labour to assist food production.
German Prisoners Of War (Correspondence)
20.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War the number of letters per month which British officer prisoners of war in Germany and German officer prisoners of war in this country, respectively, are permitted to write home; and whether he will take steps to ensure that German prisoners enjoy no greater advantages in this respect than are given to British prisoners?
German officer prisoners are allowed two letters per week on special paper, which covers about two pages of ordinary notepaper, the lines being widely spaced. British officer prisoners are allowed two letters of unlimited length per month and one postcard a week.
Does not the hon. Gentleman consider that great additional labour is thrown on the Censorship Department by this very large number of letters which is permitted to German prisoners?
That is no doubt the case, but they have not complained.
Territorial Force (Distinctions)
21.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War why the decision which has been arrived at with regard to the distinction or distinctions to be awarded to officers and men of the Territorial Forces who joined up previous to the outbreak of hostilities cannot be announced and such award be made now?
I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the answer which I gave him on Tuesday last, and more particularly to the answer which I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Wands worth on the 14th February. In the latter answer I mentioned that the whole question of the commemoration of War service in its various degrees had been considered and that an appropriate distinction or distinctions, would be granted. For reasons which I feel sure will be appreciated by my hon. and gallant Friend, no announcement can very well be made till the end of the War.
Is it not a fact that in the answer to which the hon. Gentleman refers he said that a decision had been arrived at; and is it not the case that when the decision was arrived at in regard to the Mons Star that decision was announced at once, and, if so, why cannot the decision now arrived at be announced also?
My hon. and gallant Friend knows that the Mons Star is not a medal. He will realise that it is very difficult indeed to announce the decision we have come to before the end of the War, so far as medals are concerned.
In view of the very strong feeling on this matter in the Territorial Force, will not my hon. Friend reconsider it?
I can assure the House that at the end of the War the decision which has just been come to will be announced. If my hon. and gallant Friend will speak to me privately I shall be quite willing to tell him why we do not announce it now.
Can we take it that the fact that officers and men have been discharged owing to wounds or sickness will not affect the grant of the long-service Territorial decoration?
I do not think that that arises, but we have come to the conclusion that war service does count double so far as efficiency is concerned.
Officers' Wives
22.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that every European Allied Army except the British Army offers facilities for the wives of officers to be with their husbands in places not within the immediate war zones, such as Genoa; and whether he will consider the advisability of giving such facilities at all events to wives of senior officers who are likely to be resident in one place for some considerable time?
As far as the British Forces are concerned in France and Italy, wives of officers are allowed to reside with their husbands, subject to the permission of the local commanding officer, with the following exceptions:
Army Chaplains (Pay)
24.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether chaplains are to come under the new rate of pay of 13s. 6d. per day for captains, or is the distinction in pay at present existing between chaplain captains and Army captains to be perpetuated under the new scale?
I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer which was given on this subject on the 25th February to my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Leominster.
Retired Officers (Pay And Allowances)
25.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office if he will con- sider the case of officers on retired pay who are employed as Army Special Staff Officers, Censor's Department, etc., with a view to putting them on equal terms as regards pay and allowances with those officers not drawing any pension who perform the same duties and whose pay and allowances have been increased under a recent warant?
I am afraid I cannot adopt my hon. and gallant Friend's suggestion. The Warrant represents the decision of the War Cabinet arrived at after full consideration.
Army Pay Department, Dublin
26.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office when the award of the Conciliation Board for increased wages to civilian clerks employed in the Army Pay Department and Record Office in Dublin may be expected?
Instructions will be issued very shortly.
Naval And Military Pensions And Grants
14.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether an officer who has been removed from his regiment and has been transferred to the command of a service battalion is still entitled to the pension and emoluments on retirement which would have been due to him if he had remained in command of a unit of his own regiment?
Time in command of a service battalion with substantive rank of lieutenant-colonel counts as service towards a lieutenant-colonel's retired pay in the same way as time in command of a battalion of the old Regular Army.
27.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether, in view of the declaration required in Army (Widows' Pensions) Form No. 1037, to the effect that the widow's private income has not been increased, including personal earnings and voluntary allowances from relatives and friends, it is the intention of the Ministry of Pensions to prohibit any widow in receipt of a pension from performing any duty for which payment is made or from receiving any gift from relatives or friends, and to reduce or stop the pension in the case of the widow doing so; and, if not, will he have this declaration cancelled?
The form referred to provides for a declaration of means, which is only intended for use by widows whose pensions are contingent on the amount of their private income. This declaration is not required from widows whose pensions are issued by the Ministry of Pensions, as such pensions are not contingent on private income, and the portion of the form providing for such, a declaration should be crossed out before it is sent to a widow drawing a pension from that Department. Every endeavour is made to see that this is done, but possibly my hon. and gallant Friend's attention has been called to a case in which this has been omitted by oversight. I understand that a fresh form omitting the means declaration altogether is in course of preparation for use in cases dealt with by the Ministry of Pensions.
41.
asked the Pensions Minister when the present scale of pensions to soldiers' and sailors' dependants will be increased?
44.
asked the Pensions Minister whether the pensions at present payable to widows and children are to be increased, and, if so, to what extent?
I am not yet able to make any announcement on this matter, which is still under consideration.
64.
asked the Pensions Minister whether he can now say if the pension payable to war pensioners prior to the present War is to be brought in to line with the amounts in the existing warrants?
The proposed Warrant dealing with these pensions is not yet finally settled. As I have already stated, the terms when settled will be announced at the earliest possible moment.
65.
asked whether any decision has yet been arrived at as to the application of Mrs. Florrie Dixon, whose husband, Corporal F. Dixon, of the Miners' Battalion, King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, died as a result of injuries received in an accident while on military duty in November, 1914, for a pension; and, if not, whether, in view of the delay that has occurred, a decision can be come to and announced forthwith?
I am glad to be able to inform the hon. and gallant Member that payment of a full widow's pension to Mrs. Dixon has now been authorised.
66.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Pensions whether he has yet been able to ascertain whether Private W. Newberry, late No. 1753 Royal West Kent Regiment, was notified on the 17th November, 1917, by the Ministry of Pensions that a temporary pension of 30d. a day had been granted to him from the 24th August,. 1917, until the 27th August, 1919, his permanent pension of 24d. a day being in abeyance from the 24th August, 1917; and whether he can now explain why Private Newberry has received no pension since the 1st October, 1917?
This is a "pre-war" disability pension, which has been temporarily increased on a re-examination by a medical board. Owing to a misunderstanding by the regimental paymaster there was a break in payment at the beginning of this year, but I am informed that the penson of 24d. a day was regularly paid up to the 31st December last. A sum of £14 12s. 11d. has now beer; paid to Private Newberry tins being made up of the extra 6d. a day due to him from 24th August, 1917, up to 31st December, and 30d. a day from the latter date to the end of the present month.
Wool Clip 1918
28.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether any arrangement has yet been made whereby farmers in selling their wool clip of 1918 will have some option in he choice of the wool brokers to whom they will send their output, so that they may not be forced to send their goods to brokers who may have acted wrongfully to those farmers in the past; and is he aware that this forcing of sales to particular individuals is a principle that goes further than any other Department has gone since the outbreak of the War?
I would refer the hon. Member to the replies given to the similar questions put by him on 28th January and 19th December last. It should be remembered that authorised merchants are merely commission agents acting under the direct supervision of the Department.
Soldiers' Widows And Children (Medical Aid)
42.
asked the Pensions Minister whether the scheme for the provision of medical aid for the widows and children of soldiers which was promised to the House on 6th March, 1917, has been put into operation; and, if so, whether he is prepared to consider the question of extending its scope so that it may also include the wives and children of soldiers who are now serving in the Army?
The scheme referred to was considered in connection with Article 10 (2) of the present Royal Warrant for the pensions of disabled men and widows, which allowed the Minister of Pensions "to deduct from any pension or allowance under Part II. of the Warrant the cost of any benefit which it may hereafter be decided to substitute for any part of the pension or allowance." I do not favourably view under present circumstances the scheme of making deductions from pension for the purpose, and the matter is for the present in abeyance.
What does the hon. Gentleman propose to do to provide medical treatment for these women?
That, of course, is another question altogether. That matter is under consideration. If the hon. and gallant Member will put down a specific question I shall be glad to answer it.
Discharged Disabled Men (Tuberculosis)
43.
asked the Pensions Minister whether he has now been able to arrive at an agreement with the Welsh Insurance Commissioners so as to provide that in the future the cost of treatment of discharged and disabled men suffering from tuberculosis will be entirely borne by the Ministry of Pensions; and whether, as it is presumed that these men did not suffer from this disease when they entered the Army and contracted tuberculosis during their period of military service, he will explain why it is proposed that part of the cost of their treatment should now be borne by the funds provided under the National Insurance Act?
No such agreement as that referred to by the hon. and gallant Member has been considered, and I have no power under the terms of the Royal Warrant to pay the expenses of treatment so far as provision is otherwise made for them. Under the National Insurance Acts the provision of treatment for cases of tuberculosis in general falls upon the Insurance Commissioners and insurance committees. I have, however, made arrangements to defray the cost of treatment in certain classes of cases, namely, advanced cases of the disease and early cases sent for prolonged treatment and training to farm colonies; and in addition I have assisted the insurance authorities to provide additional Grants-in-Aid so as to secure preferential treatment generally for discharged men. The hon. and gallant Member's assumption that discharged men suffering from tuberculosis "did not suffer from the disease when they entered the Army and contracted tuberculosis during the period of military service" is incorrect with regard to a substantial proportion of the men.
Ex-Czar (Secret Police Organisation)
32.
asked the Home Secretary whether any person in the employ of the Home Office is known to have been in the pay or service of the secret police organisation of the ex-Czar Nicholas of Russia?
The answer is in the negative. The hon. Member may be referring to a Metropolitan Police officer who, after his retirement from the Force in 1912, and when he was free to take any employment he pleased, undertook certain inquiries on behalf of the Russian Government. This officer was not in the service of the Russian Secret Police, and his connection with the Russian Government ceased some time ago
When this officer undertook this work for a foreign Power, did he communicate the fact that he was doing it to the Home Office?
Has any hostility to this country ever been brought home to the ex-Emperor, and is not the question a mere cover to an ungenerous attack on him?
My hon. Friend must judge for himself. The man is perfectly free to do what he pleases.
Summer Time
33.
asked the Home Secretary whether he will meet the public convenience by extending during summer time the period during which it is unnecessary to show lights on vehicles from half an hour after sunset to one hour after sunset?
I am advised that the present requirements with regard to lighting up could not be relaxed without prejudicing the safety of traffic, particularly pedestrian traffic, and I am not prepared to make any change.
Proportional Representation
37, 38, and 30.
asked the Home Secretary (1) whether the Commissioners appointed to select 100 constituencies in which the principle of proportional representation is to be tried will be required to obtain the consent of the electors of those constituencies and their representatives in Parliament before any such experiment is forced upon them;
The answer to the first two questions is in the negative. The third question is a matter for the Commissioners to determine.
What steps, if any, are being taken to ascertain the views of the representatives of the people in the various constituencies affected on the question?
I have answered that. The Commissioners have power to hold local inquiries, and I have not the least doubt they will do so.
Have they started on these local inquiries?
I really do not know. I do not control them.
How long after the Report is issued are these inquiries to be held?
They will be held before the Report.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that the Instructions to these Commissioners have not been laid before the House, and therefore we are entirely in the dark as to what is going on?
The Instructions are only those contained in the Act of Parliament. There are no others.
Will not the recommendations of the Commissioners come before the House for its sanction?
Yes.
M Litvinoff
40.
asked the Home Secretary what action, if any, the Government propose to take against the Member of the House who is reported to have urged the workers of this country to adopt Bolshevik methods and start a revolution in this country, this statement being made at a meeting at which M. Litvinoff was present?
The Government do not propose to take action in this matter.
Will the right hon. Gentleman exercise the new powers he has by the Order in Council in the case of any alien publicly advising the people of this country to adopt Bolshevik methods?
I shall not hesitate to do so.
Will my right hon. Friend give the name of the Member who acted in the way referred to in the question?
It is hardly worth while giving the name.
Does the right hon. Gentleman adhere to the statement that a Member of this House advised the workers of this country to take Bolshevik action here, and, if so, does he still say the Member should not be prosecuted?
Having regard to the other 670 Members in this House, does not the right hon. Gentleman think, in justice to them at least, this name should be given out?
What reason is there why the name should not be given?
There is no reason except that it would not be worth while. It was the hon. Member for Burnley (Mr. Morrell) who made the statement that it was desirable that the people of this country should follow the example of Russia. I did not think it worth while to take any action.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that it is entirely untrue that the hon. Member made any such statement? I was present at the meeting and heard what was said.
Has the Home Office any proof that the hon. Member for Burnley did make the statement, and, if not, on what ground did the Home Secretary make his statement in the House?
It is entirely untrue.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the hon. Member for Burnley in this speech, which I heard, distinctly warned his audience against a physical force revolution?
We cannot discuss that question.
It is entirely untrue.
Russia
British Military Mission
45.
:asked the Prime Minister whether the British Military Mission is still being retained in Russia; and, if so, whether its recall will be considered?
I am not in a position to make any statement.
Is it any good for us to maintain a British Military Mission in Russia when we have no relations with that country?
The hon. Member has had his answer.
Russians In British Army
46.
asked the Prime Minister whether the War Cabinet has considered, or will consider, the present position of those Russian subjects who have joined the British Army, some as volunteers and others under the Russian military convention; whether he is aware that no British subjects have at any time been called up in Russia under this convention; whether it is intended to call up any more Russian subjects here to serve in the British Army; and whether he will consider a gradual demobilisation of those Russians now serving under the British flag if they apply to be discharged and on condition of their doing work of national importance, or, alternatively, whether full British citizenship will be offered to all Russians who continue to serve and bear good characters as soldiers?
As has already been announced, no Russian subjects are being called up for military service. The various points referred to in the last half of the question are at present under consideration.
Supreme War Council
47.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will arrange that the elected members of the Legislative Councils shall be invited to select one of the representatives of India who are to attend the sittings of the Imperial War Cabinet and so avoid the recurrence of the grievance felt by educated Indians last year?
The Imperial War Cabinet consists of the representatives of the Governments of the chief portions of the Empire. It is therefore impossible to adopt the hon. Member's suggestion.
General Smuts
49.
asked the Prime Minister whether he can say, without detriment to the public interest, the nature of the work which General Smuts is now engaged on; and whether he is a member of or has a right to attend the sittings of the War Council?
There is no change in the position of General Smuts, who continues to be a member of the War Cabinet.
Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the first part of the question?
He is doing the general work of the Cabinet in the same way as other members.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say when General Smuts is likely to return to this country?
I shall be able to answer that when he has gone away.
Is it a fact that General Smuts, who is, perhaps, the one great character, is constrained to carry out the policy of Lord Milner in relation to—
The hon. Member is raising matter for debate.
Investments By Ministers
50.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will introduce some legislative measure to prevent any member of His Majesty's Government from either personally or through the medium of a nominee investing any money in any company, either British or foreign, which may be either directly or indirectly affected by the progress of the War day by day?
The answer is in the negative.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether, as Leader of the House, he will use his influence with the Coalition party to prevent them at least investing party funds in foreign securities for the duration of the War?
:I have not had my attention called to that, but the one reason why I did not answer the question in the affirmative is that I cannot imagine any business which has not been affected by the progress of the War.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that, in the opinion of the people of this country at least, a vast amount of the Liberal party funds were invested in Germany and South America before the War?
Ireland
Restoration Of Law And Order
51.
asked the Prime Minister whether he had any statement to make with regard to the measures that have been or are about to be taken by the Government to aid the Irish Executive in the restoration of law and order in the three Southern provinces?
The Chief Secretary is at present in Ireland, as is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Home Forces, and the information received by the Government is to the effect that the measures which have been taken are having the desired result.
Will the Royal Irish Constabulary be given every support in the future in carrying out their arduous duties?
I think it is hardly necessary to answer that question. It is the full intention of the Government to maintain order in Ireland, as in every other part of the United Kingdom.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the only safe measure at the present moment is to stop tinkering with the Irish Question, and to give them a full measure of freedom?
The hon. Member is raising a wide question of debate.
Convention (Comment On Proceedings)
52.
asked the Prime Minister whether the Irish Convention has brought its deliberations to a close; and, if not, could the Regulation which prohibits discussion or comment on its proceedings, and which has been loyally observed for the past nine months by the members themselves and the Irish Press, but which has been treated as a dead letter by a portion of the Press of this country, be annulled?
The answer to both parts of the question is in the negative.
Is it not a fact that the Convention are now discussing questions like urban housing, land purchase, and so on?
The hon. Member has had his reply.
Reconstruction
84.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction whether, in the Advisory Council which he has appointed to assist his Department, he has absolutely denied representation to Irish town and country workers; whether this refusal to recognise the claims of Irish labour was of deliberate intention on his part; and, seeing that British labour interests are adequately represented, whether he can explain why the position of Irish labour is ignored?
It would not be possible without making the council unduly large to include representatives of every interest, but it is my intention, as I have already stated, to add additional members from time to time, according to the nature of the subjects referred to the Council for advice; and in the event of any question affecting Irish labour being so referred, the necessity of obtaining the views of Irish labour representatives would arise.
The right hon. Gentleman has not answered the point whether it is not the fact that he has absolutely refused to recognise the claims of Irish labour?
I have constituted the Council as well as I can.
You have no Irish labour interest represented on the Council.
A large number of people are not represented on the Council.
My point is as to Irish labour.
85.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction whether he will consider the advisability of setting up a once a distinctively Irish Reconstruction Council, thoroughly representative of all Irish trade, labour, and scientific interests, to deal with reconstruction work in Ireland after the War, and to formulate immediately national schemes of reconstruction for that country?
I will consult my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary, but my own view is that, at all events, most of the objects which the hon. Member has in mind may be better accomplished through the agency of the strong and representative Advisory Council which I have recently set up, and which contains members from England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales.
86.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction the number of Departments and Committees he has had assisting him in his reconstructive duties; upon how many of these was there special representation for Irish interests; and were any inquiries conducted in Ireland as to what could be done in the way of national reconstruction in that country after the War?
I must refer the hon. Member to Command Paper 8196, which will, I think, give him the information for which he asks.
87.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction whether his Department has considered the question of improving transit facilities in Ireland after the War, of establishing new harbours on the West Coast of Ireland and connecting them with the main railway systems of the country, and generally of improving the internal and external means of trade communications for Ireland?
I am considering the question of the improvement of transit facilities generally, and, as at present advised, I am not prepared to consider specific proposals for the establishment of new harbours in Ireland or elsewhere.
89.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction whether he has received any representations from Irish Government Departments in reference to rehousing schemes in Ireland after the War; if so, will he say what Departments made these representations, what was the nature of them, and what action was taken upon them; and can he give an estimate of the sum it is proposed to spend in England and Scotland, respectively, on re housing work after the War and what corresponding or equivalent sum is to be allocated for similar purposes in Ireland?
I am in consultation with my colleagues on the subject of the general policy of housing throughout the United Kingdom, and have not considered specific schemes, which will be dealt with by the executive Departments concerned. I am not yet in a position to give the estimate asked for in the last part of the question.
Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the first part of my question, whether he has received information from Irish Government Departments, and, if so, from which?
I have been in frequent consultation with the Chief Secretary on this very matter.
Did the right hon. Gentleman call his attention to the fact that the Convention is going to spend next year in considering the question of Irish housing?
No; it has nothing to do with that matter.
My question definitely asks whether any Irish Government Departments were consulted, and, if so, which?
I have frequently consulted the Department of my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary.
90.
asked the Minister of Reconstruction in what ways, and to what extent, it is proposed to carry out reconstruction work in Ireland after the War; what special industries it is proposed to foster and develop; and what new industries, if any, it is intended to introduce or establish in the country?
I am not in a position to make a general statement in reply to this question. Representative Irishmen have a place on many of the Committees of Inquiry which are dealing with the problem of reconstruction, and I am in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary over various other matters in which Ireland is specially concerned.
What I ask is whether the right hon. Gentleman can make a statement as to actual reconstruction work being executed in Ireland? The idea prevails in Ireland that the right hon. Gentleman is doing nothing.
Submarine Warfare (Lord Fisher's Memorandum)
53.
asked whether Lord Fisher submitted to the Committee of Imperial Defence, on the 14th May, 1914, a Memorandum pointing out that the coming of the submarine had broken down the whole foundation of our traditional naval strategy, and that the question must be faced as to how a blockade could be enforced and our mercantile commerce protected?
54.
asked whether Lord Fisher submitted a Memorandum to the Admiralty prior to the War in which he conveyed the warning that German submarines would be used against our commerce; if so, on what date; whether Lord Fisher was a member of the Defence Committee at the time; and whether this warning from a former First Sea Lord was brought to the notice of the Defence Committee and Cabinet?
I am informed that Lord Fisher wrote a Memorandum early in 1914, but that it was not submitted either to the Board of Admiralty or to the Committee of Imperial Defence. I think that it was not circulated to the Cabinet, but I understand that it was given personally to the Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Admiralty.
In the report of the answer which I gave to a question by my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Maidstone on the 25th February I notice that the word "not" appears in the first sentence. As Lord Fisher was a member of the Committee of Imperial Defence in 1912 I am having the necessary correction made in the bound volume of the Official Report.Can the right hon. Gentleman say why he did not make this correction before, and is he certain that the Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Admiralty of that date did not circulate that Memorandum to their Cabinet colleagues?
I said in my answer that I thought it was not circulated; but as I was not a member of the Cabinet at the time I can only be sure by asking the Prime Minister or some other member. As to the other part of the question, the mistake having been made I am having it corrected.
Cannot the right hon. Gentleman consult the records of the Council of Imperial Defence, and find out whether this Memorandum was not circulated to that Council and to the Admiralty?
I have given a direct answer about that. There are records of the Committee of Imperial Defence, and the answer is that it was not circulated by them. As regards the Cabinet I cannot say
British Army (Royal Prerogative)
55.
asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the fact that even in the reign of Queen Victoria the principle was not recognised that the monarch by prerogative spoke of the Army of the nation as "My Army," he will state the constitutional authority on which the present practice rests; and whether, in view of the necessity of giving the freest play to democratic sentiment, he will arrange, by legislation or otherwise, that the phrase "My Army" be discarded in Royal pronouncements?
The hon. Member is mistaken as to the practice in Queen Victoria's reign. If he will refer to the Hansard of the period he will find the same phraseology used repeatedly. There has been no change in this respect and there is no intention of making any.
Is it not a fact that Lord Palmerston prepared announcements for Queen Victoria to which she objected because he refused to style the Army "My Army"?
I have never been informed as to the accuracy of that historical statement.
Will the right hon. Gentleman weigh his answer in connection with the present circumstances, where it is necessary to call upon the democratic spirit of the people to eliminate—
The hon. Member is raising matter of debate.
Civil Service (Pensions)
58.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the number of lower-grade Civil servants in receipt of pensions of less than £100 per annum who through age, infirmity, or other valid reasons are unable to supplement their at present admittedly inadequate allowance; and whether, with a view of granting them a temporary addition during the period of the War, he will introduce some feasible scheme?
My hon. Friend (Mr. Stanley Baldwin) has been called away, and he asks me to say that he has nothing to add to his previous answers on this subject
Bank Charter Act, 1844
59.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the fact that the Committee appointed on the 10th January, and presided over by the Governor of the Bank of England, to inquire into problems in currency and foreign exchanges during the period of reconstruction are only to report on the steps to be taken to bring about the restoration of normal conditions and that the Bank Charter Act, 1844, was one of the normal pre-war conditions and that therefore the effect of that Act is outside the Committee's terms of reference, he can see his way to appoint a small Committee to consider the desirability of forthwith amending or repealing that Act?
The question whether it is desirable to amend or repeal the Bank Act of 1844 is regarded both by His Majesty's Government and by the Committee itself as falling within the terms of reference of the Committee referred to, and will be considered by them in the course of their inquiry.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the question is not sufficiently important to be referred to a separate Committee, on which the Government and the Bank of England need not necessarily be represented?
It is of very great importance, and I certainly think that this Committee is very competent to deal with it. As it happens, the Governor of the Bank gives up his office at the end of this month, and he must in any case look at the question from the point of view of the public interest.
Enemy Banks
60.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether his attention has been called to the proposal made by Sir W. Plender, in his Report of the 16th December, 1916, that the outstanding debts and assets of the Deutsche Bank, the Disconto-Gesellschaft, the Dresdner Bank, the Oesterreichische Laender Bank, and the Anglo-Austrian Bank should be vested in the custodian of enemy property, to be realised by him as far as possible, and administered in accordance with the licences granted to the banks by the Home Secretary; whether this proposal was con- sidered and rejected by the Government; and, if so, whether there exist for such rejection any better reasons than those advanced by Mr. W. Leaf and Sir R. V. Vassar-Smith in their Report of 12th January, 1917?
The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative. I have recently again considered a suggested alteration in the method employed in the collection and disposal of the assets of the London agencies of the enemy banks, but the results achieved under Sir William Plender's direction since the investigation of this question by Mr. Leaf and Sir Richard Vassar-Smith confirm me in the view that to make the change suggested would not hasten the final liquidation of the banks.