War
New Zealand Reinforcements
2.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the Army Council, without any pressure on the part of the New Zealand Government, authorised a reduction in the reinforcements from New Zealand; whether he can state when, and on what grounds, this decision was arrived at: and whether, in view of the existing conditions, when the need of reinforcements is greater than ever, the Secretary of State for War is pre pared to reconsider his decision in this matter?
The number of reinforcements periodically asked for from New Zealand are such as are found necessary to maintain in the field, at establishment strength, the formations which the New Zealand Government has placed at the disposal of the Imperial Government.
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether the drafts are sufficient to keep the forces up to full strength?
I believe that is the case.
General Elliot
3.
asked the Under secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to state that General Elliot will shortly be appointed to a suitable post?
I am not in a position yet to make any statement.
Glamorganshire Engineers (Sapper D M Jenkins)
4.
asked the Under secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to communicate the results of his inquiries into the case of the late David Morgan Jenkins, No. 454830, sapper in the Glamorganshire Royal Engineers; and whether he has taken steps to bring this case to the notice of the Minister of National Service?
The investigation in this case will necessarily take some little time, and I regret that I am not yet in a position to reply to my hon. and gallant Friend. Telegraphic inquiries have been made, and I will communicate with him at the earliest possible moment.
Medical Services (France)
5.
asked the Under secretary of State for War whether he has now received the Report of the Army Council on the Committee of Inquiry into the Medical Services in France; whether he is now prepared to state whether this Report is to be published or not; and what action the Army Council proposes to take upon it?
The Report has just been received from France, and it is being considered.
Military Barracks, Buttevant
6.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he can now state if the proposal for converting the military barracks at Buttevant, county Cork, into a hospital for the treatment of venereal disease has been dropped?
Yes, Sir; as I informed my gallant Friend, it has been decided to abandon this proposal.
Jewish Battalions (Palestine)
7.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he can give an assurance that all Jews recruited for Jewish units will, as far as is reasonably possible, be utilised in the Palestine area?
I am pleased to be able to give this assurance. All recruits enlisted for Jewish battalions will be drafted to Jewish units in Palestine if medically fit. As long as the exigencies of the Service permit, Jewish battalions are definitely intended for employment in Palestine.
Can the hon. Gentleman state whether the Government have any special reason why the Jewish battalion should not be subjected to the ordinary risks on the Western Front?
I think the risk in Palestine is very often as great as on the Western Front.
Air Raids Into Germany
Statement By Mr Macpherson
8.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether a lieutenant of the Royal Flying Corps was recently sentenced in Germany to twelve months' hard labour for referring in a letter to the Germans as Huns; and, if so, what steps the Government proposes to take?
The officer referred to by my hon. Friend is presumably Sergeant E. A. Boyd, Royal Naval Air Service, who was reported by the German Press to have been sentenced to a year's imprisonment for referring in a dispatch previous to his capture to the Germans as "Huns." According to the official German report, Sergeant Boyd was sentenced for "insulting a superior and a subordinate." His Majesty's Government have asked for full details of the trial. I regret that so far no satisfactory reply has yet been received.
May I take it that the Government will continue to press for proper information?
Yes; I think my hon. Friend may rest assured of that.
9.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War if ho can now give any details as to our recent successful air raids into Germany?
Since October we have made thirty-eight effective raids into Germany, and we have dropped 48 tons of explosives—a remarkable achievement under the circumstances. The conditions under which these raids have been carried out during the winter have been extremely difficult. In the Lorraine region, throughout the winter, it is only on rare occasions that flying can be successfully carried out.
Low clouds, high winds, rain, and snow are the normal features of the weather in this area, whilst, when the weather is otherwise fine, heavy mists lie over the valleys and render the location of targets extremely difficult. This is particularly so in the case of the valleys in which the German ironworks and factories are situated. Intense cold has been experienced, machine guns have been frozen, and there have been several cases of frostbite. Stress must be laid on the difficulty of finding the way in an unknown country, more particularly where clearly defined landmarks are absent. Approximately 250 flights have been made in the course of these raids, during which only ten machines have been lost. There has been a steady increase in the number of raids carried out and the amount of explosive dropped, whilst the increased distance to which raids have been carried into Germany is most satisfactory. This is particularly so in the case of the recent raids during March, which have so far been eight in number. I would point out that the majority of raids by British machines have been carried out in broad daylight, and photographs have been taken of the bursting bombs, placing the accuracy of the reports received of their effect beyond all shadow of doubt. Further, by attacking in daylight, it has been possible to concentrate attack on objects of actual military importance—a striking contrast to the promiscuous methods adopted by the enemy. During the night raids our machines have descended to low heights, and fired at searchlights, trains, and railway stations. A steady increase has been observed in the enemy's anti-aircraft defences, the number of searchlights, guns, and aeroplanes. These latter have been defeated with loss whenever they have attempted to intervene. On other occasions our pilots have attacked enemy machines drawn up on the aerodromes, preparatory to making bombing raids into France. The following report on a recent raid is typical of the results obtained:"Detailed Report Of Operations Carried Out 10Th March, 1918
Twelve aeroplanes left at 9.35 a.m. to bomb the railway stations, barracks, and Daimler Motor Works at Stuttgart. Eleven of these machines reached, the objective. One machine failed to return, being seen to lire a green light on the return journey, and go down under control, apparently with engine trouble, southeast of Oberkirch.
The following bombs were dropped on the objective with excellent results:
3 | 230 | lbs | ||
16 | 112 | lbs | ||
9 | 40 | lbs | (phos.) | |
Total | … | 2,842 | lbs. |
Several bursts were seen on the Daimler Motor Works, and several on the railway lines. Mettingen Station was hit, and set on tire. A train which was standing in the station wag also set on fire. Two bombs burst near the electric power station in the town, one beside the railway sidings, one near the gasworks, and five or six bursts in or around the Gare de Triage. Two bursts were seen by the bridges over the river, and two beside a large munition factory south-east of the town. A total of thirty-six plates were exposed of Stuttgart, which have come out very well, and which show bombs bursting on objectives.
Three enemy aircraft attacked our machines, over the objective, one being a 2-seater and the other two Albatross D3 type.
After the first combat, the enemy aircraft followed our machines, shooting at long range, and then withdrew.
The most recent report is to the effect that our bombing machines attacked military objectives at Mannheim, on the Rhine, on 18th March. Over one ton of bombs were dropped, with excellent results. Eight direct hits were obtained on the Badische Soda Factory, causing an abnormally large columns of black and white smoke to ascend. Also two bursts were seen on the docks, and one on another large factory.
The bombers were attacked by two formations of enemy machines, of which two were driven down out of control over Mannheim, and the remainder driven off.
Our machines all returned safely."
May I ask my hon. Friend whether it is possible to tell the Field-Marshal Commanding how enormously proud we all are here of the work recently done by these gallant airmen?
I shall certainly make a point of doing that.
May I ask whether we may now consider that these raids are carried out as ordinary acts of war and not by way of reprisals?
Is it our policy to attack only military objects?
I cannot add anything to the answer which I gave.
Will my hon. Friend say whether he believes that the weather conditions in the spring and summer will enable us to bomb successfully the ironworks and other works in Lorraine?
I am hopeful that will be so.
Will the hon. Gentleman say whether these raids are carried out by way of reprisals or as ordinary acts of war?
British Prisoners (Germany)
10.
asked the under-Secretary of State for War whether he has any record of the number of British prisoners of war in Germany who are undergoing special imprisonment or punishment for alleged offences; and, if so, what steps he proposes to take?
No, Sir; there is no such record available. The number constantly varies. In cases which come to our notice and which appear to call for explanation inquiry is made of the Netherlands Ministry at Berlin. An agreement has recently been concluded whereby notification of an impending trial is given by the German authorities to the Netherlands Minister, who is empowered to delegate a representative to attend the trial and to appoint counsel for the defence, if he considers it advisable.
Has my hon. Friend any information as to how our prisoners of war are being treated in Germany?
I have answered several questions on that point, but I am quite willing to give any more recent information on the point if my hon. and gallant. Friend will put down a question.
Maisons Tolerees
12.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he has any statement to make with regard to the proposal that the maisons tolerés in France should be placed out of bounds for British troops?
16.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for War if he can now state, as the result of his promised inquiries, whether brothels in France in the vicinity of American camps are placed out of bounds to American soldiers by the American military authorities?
It has been decided, with the permission of our Allies, to place these houses out of bounds for our soldiers in France. I do not intend to take any notice of the unscrupulous attacks made upon myself either personally or as the mouthpiece of my Department—attacks based upon the dishonourable process of extracting an isolated sentence from an argument and making a conditional sentence absolute—but I should like to remind the House that it was not the British military authorities, as has been asserted, who established these houses, or who provided the women in them, nor can I find, as has been asserted, any justification for the statement that any part of the French civil population protested against any of these institutions established under their own laws; nor did our military authorities in France receive any such protest. While this step has been taken, the House must not think that the very grave problems of venereal disease which confront the military authorities in France have been disposed of. My military advisers have grave doubts that the contrary may be the effect. This question, which, it must be remembered, is not merely a military one, but a great social and national one, will continue to be watched with anxiety by us. I have not yet received the information asked for by my hon. Friend the Member for Pembroke.
Are we to understand from my hon. Friend's statement that this decision has been come to without the concurrence of the military authorities?
It has been come to with the concurrence of our Allies.
What is the punishment for being out of bounds?
One great effect of this Order is that we are now adding to the many punishments which will be inflicted under the Army Act.
When will the hon. Gentleman be in a position to answer the question put by my hon. Friend the Member for Pembrokeshire (Mr. Roch)?
I have an Order, but I understand that that does not meet the point which my hon. Friend raised. I hope to be in a position within the next two or three days to answer it.
Will the recommendations of the Royal Commission on Venereal Diseases be taken into consideration?
I do not know what are those recommendations.
Naval And Military Pensions And Grants
13.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he is aware that the Postmaster-General is compelling discharged soldiers in his employment to refund small sums said to have been paid as Army gratuities on discharge; whether this is done under War Office instructions; and whether, having regard to the terms under which these men enlisted, he will explain the reasons for such deductions?
I am making inquiry, and will communicate with the hon. and gallant Member later.
Is my hon. Friend aware of the answer which the Postmaster-General gave yesterday?
27.
asked the Pensions Minister what steps he intends to take for the provision of medical aid for the widows and children of soldiers; and whether he is prepared to include the wives and children of soldiers who are now serving in the Army under the contemplated scheme?
The special arrangements which were at one time contemplated for providing medical aid to the widows and children of soldiers out of their pensions are, as I recently informed the House, not being adopted at the present time. As the hon. and gallant Member is aware, widows and wives of soldiers are entitled to medical attendance and treatment if they are employed contributors under the National Health Insurance Acts, and where such or similar entitlement does not exist, and there is pecuniary need, a recently extended Regulation of the Special Grants Committee allows substantial grants, extending over a considerable period in cases of serious illness of the wives, children, and dependants of serving soldiers, and the widows and orphans of soldiers deceased.
29.
asked the Pensions Minister whether the Local Government Board has issued to councils of areas for which local war pensions committees have been established a circular letter stating that the estimates of the administrative expenses of local war pensions committees for the financial year beginning 1st April, 1918, are to be submitted to the Board for approval not later than 18th May, 1918; whether the circular letter in question states that there is no legal authority for the payment of administrative expenditure in excess of an approved estimate; and what steps are to be taken by local war pensions committees to obtain funds to meet their administrative expenses between 1st April, 1918, and the date upon which the estimates for the financial year 1918–19 are approved by the Local Government Board?
The facts are as stated in my hon. Friend's question. I understand that the period between the 1st April and the date of the approval of the estimates is covered by funds already in the hands of the local committees or by advances obtained from the local authorities concerned. I share the opinion, which my hon. Friend suggests, that the present position of dual control over local committee expenditure is unsatisfactory, and I hope to introduce legislation which will place the financial position of local committees on a more satisfactory footing.
30.
asked the Pensions Minister if Private Rose, M/2, No. 020,997. late of the Army Service Corps, was discharged from the Army on the 15th September, 1916, on account of nerve shock; that this man was granted a conditional pension of 17s. 6d. a week for the first six months, after which it was reduced to 5s. 3d. a week conditionally; that on account of the inadequacy of this pension Ross was obliged to return to his former occupation as a motor driver, and that in consequence of his nervous condition an accident occurred on the 24th August, 1917, for which he was held responsible, and was sentenced to 60 days' imprisonment; whether at the trial strong medical evidence was brought forward to prove that Ross suffered from neurasthenia and lapses of memory; whether his pension of 5s. 3d. a week has been stopped from the date of his arrest, namely, the 25th August, 1917; and what further action it is proposed to take m the matter?
Private George Ross was invalided on the 27th September, 1916, on account of mental instability which, in the opinion of the Invaliding Medical Board was not due to military service, but was aggravated thereby, and he was awarded a pension of 17s. a week, which, after his examination by a board of doctors, was reduced after six months to 5s. 3d. a week. In accordance with the usual practice, Ross's pension is forfeited for a period equivalent to the term during which he was maintained in prison at the public expense. Since the incident referred to by the hon. Member the man's condition has been found to have materially worsened, and his pension has been increased.
Military Service
Conscientious Objectors
14.
asked whether Private Ashton, 3/10th Battalion, County of London Regiment, a, conscientious objector, now an inmate of Long Grove Asylum, has been discharged from the Army?
I should be glad if my hon. Friend would furnish the soldier's regimental number.
25.
asked the Home Secretary if he will have immediate inquiry made into the state of health of William Sandles, a conscientious objector, confined in Newcastle Prison, and who is reported to have been confined to bed for the last month; and whether lie will consider the man's discharge?
I have called for a report on this prisoner's health, and find that his present condition affords no ground for discharge. He was under treatment for a time, apparently for rheumatism, but it appears that he is now fit for exercise and is doing his work.
26.
asked the Home Secretary why Geoffrey E. Hicks, a conscientious objector, employed at the Works Centre, Wakefield, and who has a record of twelve months' good service, has not been permitted to take up exceptional employment under the new concession; and will he reconsider this case?
A conscientious objector qualifies for exceptional employment by twelve months' good conduct and industry. It is for the Committee on Employment of Conscientious Objectors to decide after full consideration of each man's record whether he is so qualified, and I cannot interfere with the exercise of their discretion in this matter.
Could the right hon. Gentleman say why a distinction is made between these conscientious objectors, some of them being given and others not being given the opportunity of exceptional employment?
If the privilege is refused, it must be because the man cannot qualify by good conduct and industry.
36.
asked the Secretary for Scotland if he will have immediate inquiry made into the physical condition of James Boyd, a conscientious objector, in Barlinnie Prison; if he will ascertain if the prison doctor has declared him to be medically unfit for the Army; and whether, in the circumstances, he will follow the precedent adopted by the Home Office in similar cases and recommend to the War Office the man's discharge?
I am obtaining a medical report on the case referred to, and will consider the suggestion contained in the question when I receive it.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the general opinion held is that he is not quite so lenient with these conscientious objectors as his colleague for England?
I am quite unaware of that fact, if it be a fact.
Travelling Medical Board (Mullingar)
15.
asked the Undersecretary of State for War if he is aware that at Mullingar, where the 3rd Royal Scots are located, a travelling medical board was held recently, and that the commanding officer sat with the board, and when the men were brought forward he gave information in regard to the duties the men were performing; and if, in view of the influence which the presence of the commanding officer is likely to have upon the decision of the medical board, he will give instructions that commanding officers must not be present at these medical examinations?
I am unable to adopt my hon. Friend's suggestion. The commanding officer knows more of his men than any other officer, and if is in the interest of the Service and of the men that the regulation was made.
Pensions (Class P Reservists)
18.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office how much money has been expended on the printing of Army Form 3,529; whether the expenditure has been of practical Army use; and, if so, in what way it has been useful?
The purpose of the Army Form was to acquaint Class P Reservists with their position under Army Order 366 of 1916 in case of recall to the Colours. The notification was made in the interest of the men affected, so as to avoid misapprehension, and thus was of practical Army use. The Regulation prohibiting the issue of pensions on recall to the Colours was subsequently revised, thus rendering the form in question obsolete. The first part of the question should be addressed to the Treasury.
Can the hon. Gentleman say why the men were required to sign it?
I must ask my hon. Friend to put that question to my right hon. Friend.
War Office Materials (Inspection)
17.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether it has been arranged that all War Office materials, including clothing, shall be inspected in the examining and receiving depot, Dublin, so that the business of inspection may be complete in Ireland; whether the buildings in Westland Row have now being taken possession of by the War Office; and, if so, whether the fitting up of the premises has been delayed owing to the non-arrival of necessary imported material?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the second and third parts, the whole of the Westland Row premises have been taken over by the War Department, and there has been no delay in fitting them up owing to the non-arrival of necessary imported material, but the outgoing firm have not been able to vacate the whole of the building as their new premises have not been completed. At a conference on the 14th instant between the All-Ireland Munitions Committee and a War Office Committee, the former expressed themselves well pleased with the progress made, and published Press announcements to that effect.
Carnarvon Assizes (Sentence On Epileptic)
19.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he can have an inquiry made into the circumstances of the case at Carnarvon Assizes in January, when D. G. Davies, though certified by medical evidence as having been an incurable epileptic for fourteen years, was sentenced to three years' penal servitude, and has since become insane?
This prisoner has not been certified insane. As the result of his trial (at which he pleaded guilty) and of the sentence he suffered a severe shock, but I am informed that with careful nursing there is a good prospect of his health improving in prison. There is already some improvement.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this man was certified as insane within a fortnight of his conviction, and that the judge at the Assizes disregarded all the medical evidence?
I cannot believe that to be so, and it is not a fact that he has been certified as insane.
He was.
Enemy Aliens
20.
asked how many of the 6,700 uninterned Germans have married English wives and have sons fighting in our Army; and whether he has taken any and, if so, what steps to intern all the others in accordance with the arrangement arrived at in the Debate of the 17th December, 1917?
No figures are available to show how many of the uninterned Germans have married British wives or have sons serving in our Army, but it is believed that the great majority of them are in that position. In the Debate of the 17th December last I did not accept these as the only reasons for exemption from internment, and stated expressly that other considerations, such as membership of a friendly race, ill-health, or employment on work of importance to this country in connection with the War, had been taken into account by the Advisory Committee and successive Secretaries of State. I have continued to act upon the principles which I laid down in that Debate.
Does the right hon. Gentleman suggest that membership of a friendly race applies to uninterned Germans?
Yes, Sir, to some of them; for instance, the Alsatians.
Are there very many?
Have the exceptions to internment been recommended by the Advisory Committee?
Yes, Sir.
Does the right hon. Gentleman really say that in spite of the Debate of the 17th, and the arrangement we thought had been arrived at, he is not going to alter his policy at all?
No, Sir. I explained the lines upon which I was acting. I have not made any change.
Is it not a fact that a number of these interned Germans are Hanoverians, who are more bitterly hostile than we are to Prussia?
Will the right lion. Gentleman state how many of these 6,700 uninterned Germans have taken over the one-man businesses of soldiers who are serving in France, and will he see that this practice is not continued?
I could not give the number, but as soon as I hear of such cases I look into them at once, and in many cases I have taken action.
21.
asked how many German alien enemies have been interned since the 17th December, 1917; and how many have been let out?
Since the 17th December, 1917, twenty-one male German subjects have been interned, and, apart from those sent out on licence to agricultural employment or other work of national utility, two have been released. These two men were released to join the British or Allied forces.
Will the right hon. Gentleman say whether the men sent out for this purpose are paid a wage; arid who receives that wage?
Yes, they are paid a wage, and they receive the wage themselves.
22.
asked how many alien enemies still reside in prohibited areas?
Excluding British-born women, the total number of persons of alien enemy nationality who have permission to reside in "prohibited areas" in England and Wales is, according to the latest available returns, 1,809, of whom about half are women. All these cases have been the subject of careful inquiries by the military authorities and the police, and practically all were specially investigated by the Committee appointed for the purpose, and I would refer the hon. Member to their Report, which has been circulated. All alien enemies whose presence in prohibited areas could be regarded as in any degree dangerous to the State have been removed.
23.
asked whether any inquiry has been made into the character and disposition towards this country of the 10,000 to 12,000 alien enemy women now in this country and uninterned; and whether any reason exists against the repatriation of such of these women as are unable to prove that their presence here is an advantage to this country?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. Alien enemy women are not interned, but are repatriated unless they have been granted exemption from repatriation on the recommendation of the Advisory Committee after a careful inquiry in each case, both of the police and of the British-born referees supporting their applications. The reason for exemption varies according to the circumstances of each case. Speaking generally, it is because it would be inhumane to expel them to enemy countries having regard to such considerations as their long residence here, their British-born children, many of whom are serving-in the Army, and the absence of any friends or relations elsewhere. If and when circumstances arise which affect the merits of their exemptions, the women are removed from this country. Since July, 1916, upwards of 700 have gone.
Will the right hon. Gentleman say whether those people who appeal on their behalf have found any sureties, and, if not, will he see that they do so in the future?
In special cases a bond is given.
24.
asked the Home Secretary whether he can state, approximately, how many of the 6,000 or 7,000 uninterned Germans in this country have sons who are engaged in the active fighting forces of this country and how many of the 5,000 or 6,000 uninterned Austrians in this country have been definitely ascertained to be, by reason of their nationality and sympathies, actively friendly to this country?
The figures asked for in the first part of the question are not available. As regards the second part, I cannot give the exact number, but it exceeds 3,000.
Will my right hon. Friend ask the Advisory Committee to reconsider from time to time these cases of alien enemies who have been exempted from internment?
Wherever the least cause is shown for reconsideration, I personally consider it.
Having regard to the Debate, would the right hon. Gentleman not ask the Advisory Committee how many of these men have sons fighting in our Army?
If my hon. Friend presses for them, I can have the figures got out, but it means the examination of many thousands of cases, and it will occupy the time of a considerable number of the staff.
May I ask whether it is not a fact that pure Germans are a very small percentage of the total number of interned prisoners, and that the fact, to which the hon. Member referred, of them having sons serving in the British Army is one of the essential points considered by the Advisory Committee?
I believe that is so.
I am sorry that there is an. unfortunate misunderstanding between the right hon. Gentleman and myself as to the Debate. Could we not have the Home Office Vote put down, so as to clear it up by a brief discussion?
I will certainly communicate my hon. Friend's suggestion to the Leader of the House.
May I ask whether a number of aliens are permitted to address public meetings?
Not enemy aliens, but a neutral or a friendly alien is entitled to address a public meeting unless there is an Order prohibiting him from doing, so.
Discharged Soldiers And Sailors (Electrical Trade)
28.
asked the Pensions Minister whether the failure on the part of the Ministry of Pensions to issue to local war pensions committees any instructions with regard to the training of discharged sailors and soldiers for branches of the electrical trade is due to the fact that the representatives of employers and employed in this trade have not yet agreed as to the conditions under which it is desirable to train discharged men for electrical work; and whether he recommends local war pensions committees to train men for this trade peniding an agreement being arrived at between the representatives of the trade?
The Trade Advisory Committee appointed for this trade by the Minister of Labour in conjunction with the Minister of Pensions have had under consideration the question of training disabled sailors, and soldiers in the electrical engineering trades, and the representatives of the associations of employers and of workpeople have just completed their recommendations in regard to dynamo and motor manufacture and cable manufacture. These proposals are about to be considered by the two Departments. Schemes in regard to other branches of these trades are now being dealt with by the Trade Advisory Committee. In the meantime local war pensions committees have been recommended to proceed with schemes of training conditional upon their being brought into line with the recommendations of the Trade Advisory Committee when approved and issued.
Can the hon. Gentleman say when these recommendations of the Trade Advisory Committee are likely to be approved?
I cannot say for certain. Negotiations have to proceed first of all between representatives of employers and workpeople, and the proposals then have to be submitted to the two Ministries, but I can assure my hon. Friend that there will be no undue delay.
Have not these negotiations been proceeding for many months without any result?
Yes; but some of these negotiations are very difficult. I hope that they will lead to satisfactory results.
Orient Steam Navigation Company (Steamship "Ormonde")
31.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Shipping Controller whether, during the stay in the port of Bombay of the steamship "Ormonde," of the Orient Steam Navigation Company, four of the stokehold department were alleged to have attacked the chief officer of the vessel, and, in consequence, were arrested and lodged in gaol; whether, on the following day, forty-seven other members of the crew were also arrested and charged with mutiny and have received sentences varying from six months to three years; whether twenty of the petty officers of the engine-room department were discharged from the vessel at the same time, and have returned to Glasgow; whether he is aware that many members of the crew charged with mutiny were in no way implicated and were unaware of what had occurred, and, seeing that these men are now in gaol, whether anything is being done for their wives and children who are suffering hardship, in consequence of the stoppage of payment and allowances; whether he is aware that the twenty men who have returned to Glasgow, who were not even charged with being implicated in the mutiny, have not received the wages due to them; and whether a thorough investigation will be made into the facts of the case, with a view to the release of such of these men as were innocent, some of whom had been torpedoed frequently before joining the steamship "Ormonde"?
I find it is impossible to deal adequately with the points raised in my hon. Friend's question within the ordinary limits of an oral reply. A full state- ment, of which I am sending my hon. Friend an advance copy, will be circulated as a written reply.
The following is the statement referred to: —
Report On Mutiny On Ss "Ormonde"
According to information obtained from the owners of the vessel and the authorities in India, the facts appear to be as follows: On the arrival of the ss. "Ormonde" in Bombay on 12th January the captain reported that a large number of the engine-room crew had behaved in a mutinous manner throughout the voyage, this behaviour commencing within twenty-four hours of sailing. On the next day a number of the firemen and trimmers attacked some of the stewards in their quarters and stole their money and clothes, and when the second officer intervened he was severely handled by the mutineers, as was also the fourth officer. Owing to non-identification of assailants, they could not be immediately brought to trial. On the same day orders were given to raise steam to take the vessel out into the stream, but this was found to be impossible, as at the time only two or three men were working in each watch, the remainder having verbally, or by their absence, refused to carry out the orders of the first and second engineers, and on the 14th the captain, after consultation with the police and civil authorities, charged fifty-two men with refusing to obey orders and holding up the ship, which was due to sail on the 15th. In addition, seven members of the mutinous crew were convicted on charges of assault and broaching cargo of another ship, and of sale of arms in contravention of the Arms Act.
The temper of the crew was such that it would have been prejudicial to the interests of the State and the tranquility of Bombay if they had been at large. They were, therefore, interned, pending repatriation under escort, for which arrangements are now being made.
The balance of wages of the men now in gaol for the period up to the date of their arrest has been paid over by the owners of the vessel to the shipping master in Bombay for disposal to the men concerned, in accordance with the terms of the Merchant Shipping Act; allowances to their dependants were stopped as from the same date.
Owing entirely to the impossibility of replacing the men arrested by a white crew, it was necessary to engage a full complement of natives for the engine-room crew, and consequently the remaining twenty-one men. who were not implicated in the mutiny had to be repatriated at the owners' expense, and they are now in this country. The balance of wages due to these men was paid over by the owners of the vessel to the Mercantile Marine Office in London on 5th March for remittance to the shipping offices in the localities in which the men reside in accordance with the usual practice.
In view of the reports which have been received on the conduct of the mutinous members of the crew, it would not appear that there is any justification for the suggestion that the case has been dealt with without proper investigation.
Fiars Prices
32.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether he has now decided to appoint a public Commission with power to impose upon the various interests concerned a permanent settlement such as they all express anxiety to secure, but are apparently unable to adjust amongst themselves without some such assistance of all questions arising out of fluctuations of fiars prices, grain rents, and the liabilities of he ritors to maintain ecclesiastical buildings in Scotland; and whether, in the meantime, any legislation is contemplated which will bring to an end the existing state of matters whereby, as a result of the War, the incomes of professors serving the Church in certain divinity chairs are halved and the incomes of certain ministers serving her in parishes are doubled?
Since I replied to my hon. Friend's question on 21st January last, I have had conferences with parties representing the various interests concerned. While I am not yet in a position to make any definite statement as to legislative or other action, the attitude of those whom I have consulted gives me some reason to hope that an adjustment may be reached, and I shall not relax my efforts in that direction.
Agricultural Committees (Scotland)
34.
asked the Secretary for Scotland on how many county agricultural committees in Scotland there are factors for landowners; and on how many of these there are tenants of land on the same estates as those for which the factors act?
County agricultural committees in Scotland are widely representative of the various classes concerned in agriculture, including, of course, the factors who act for large estates; but I am not in a position to give the detailed information desired by my hon. and learned Friend.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the larger landowners are over-represented on all these agricultural committees?
No, Sir. If my hon. Friend will give me particulars, I will be very glad to look into them.
Food Supplies
Grass Lands (Stirlingshire And Dumbartonshire)
35.
asked the Secretary for Scotland whether his statistics of ploughed-up grass land in Stirlingshire and Dumbartonshire show that the large landowners of such, say of over 100 acres of grass, have done their fair proportion, or whether the most of the ploughing up has been done by the small farmers; and, if the latter, will he say why this distinction is made, in view of the fact that there is such need to grow food for the incoming winter?
I have no information tending to support the suggestion contained in the question. On the contrary, the fact that only three compulsory Orders have been found necessary in the counties in question during this season points to a general willingness to comply with the efforts being made to increase cultivation. The second part of the question does not in these circumstances arise.
Can my right hon. Friend say under what conditions compulsory Orders are issued?
They are issued by the Board of Agriculture, having regard to all the circumstances.
Is it not at the instance of these county agricultural committees?
Poultry-Keeping
37.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture if his Department will at once reconsider the Government's policy in regard to poultry-keeping; is he aware that the national food supplies are being seriously jeopardised by the Government's policy; that poultry at all times thrive upon unavoidable waste products; and that, whilst running in fields, waste plot lands, and refuse dumps, they successfully procure their food by scavenging; that hundreds of thousands of practical poultry-keepers in our, country, who should know best, are dismayed by the lack of knowledge or sympathy with this form of food culture by his Department; and that hundreds of thousands are now signing petitions appealing for greater consideration by his Department and for the future good of the food supplies of the country?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answers given to the hon. Member for the Montrose Burghs on the 18th February, and to the hon. Member for Hertford on the 6th March. There will be about 50,000 tons of foodstuffs available for distribution through the poultry keepers' societies to selected owners of utility fowls for the purpose of ensuring the preservation of the most useful stocks of poultry in the country. In addition, poultry keepers will be able to obtain priority certificates which will entitle them to an allowance of 1 oz. of chicken food per day for each hen hatched after the 1st January, 1916. As to this an Order will, I understand, shortly be issued by the Ministry of Food. In view of the present difficulty of obtaining, animal feeding stuffs, I hope that owners of poultry will make the best use possible of all supplementary sources of feeding stuffs, and keep and rear as many birds as they can with the limited means at their disposal.
Will they have to produce the birth certificate of the fowls in order to obtain the food?
Can the right hon. Gentleman state the class of feeding-stuffs it is proposed to supply?
It is damaged grain, screenings, and similar products.
Did not the right hon. Gentleman state, on the occasion of a question recently, that he would issue a special paper, which would be obtainable by all poultry-keepers, giving them special information and instructions in connection with this matter; has he issued that paper, and, if not, when is it likely to be out?
It ought to be out at the end of this week.
Live Stock (System Of Sale)
38.
asked the President of the Board of Agriculture if he is aware that the National Farmers' Union views with alarm the proposal to establish a dead-weight system of sale for live stock, as they believe it will cause unnecessary expenditure of public money and dissatisfaction among farmers, owing to the difficulty of identification of their stock in the places of slaughter, and that they feel that this action would result in a want of confidence on the part of farmers which would seriously affect the production of food; and will he therefore take such steps as he may think right to prevent the system coining into force?
41.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether any decision has been definitely come to by his Department as to the method of purchase of fat stock; and whether it is proposed to let farmers have the option of selling by the live weight system where the Government does not propose to slaughter them in the immediate neighbourhood?
I have been asked to reply. My Department has been in consultation on this, matter with a committee of farmers' representatives appointed by the National Farmers' Union, the Central Chamber of Agriculture and the Royal Agricultural Society. It has been agreed that farmers shall be allowed to send their cattle to the nearest local market within their specified area, there to be sold at their option either by live-weight or, when facilities permit, by dead-weight.
Wholesale Supplies (Ireland)
40.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food if he is aware that, in many parts of Ireland, wholesale merchants are refusing to-supply their 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, and 1917 customers with goods owing to higher prices being offered to them from other quarters thus giving additional supplies to districts which pay the best prices; if he will take steps to obtain powers, by Act of Parliament or otherwise, to prevent wholesalers depriving their pre-war customers of supplies; and if his attention has been drawn to this form of profiteering in one district in the North of Ireland?
The answer to the first and third parts of the question is in the negative. If the hon. Member will give me particulars of any specific instances in which wholesale merchants have refused to supply their pre-war customers, I will consider what steps are proper to be taken.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that particulars of the cases I have referred to have been in his Department for the last six weeks?
No, Sir. I asked only this morning whether the information had been received, and the answer was No.
Does not the hon. Gentleman recollect that I brought a case before the House in connection with whisky supplies, in which distillers in Newry were soiling supplies to the highest bidders in this country, and depriving their local customers of their legitimate supplies?
I am afraid that the vast variety of these topics play havoc with my memory. I cannot recall the particular instance, but if the hon. Gentleman will place in my hands the particulars asked for in this reply, I shall be glad to deal with them.
House Search, Bounds Green
42.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food if he is aware that on 27th February three men, who stated that they were acting on instructions from the local food committee, searched the house, 26, Brownlow Road, Bounds Green, W.; that the only person in the House at the time, other than the search party, was a young girl; that they opened and searched the private desks and drawers and ransacked the wardrobes and boxes in the bedrooms; and that they compelled the young girl to carry a step-ladder from the garden into the attic to enable them to get on the roof of the house; on whose information this search was made; whether any hoarding of food was found; and whether the Food Controller sanctions or approves of actions of this kind?
This search was authorised by the Divisional Food Commissioner, and a young lady who was in the house at the time gave the inspecting officers every assistance in her power. It is not the practice to disclose the name of informants. It is not intended to take further action as the result of the search, and I should be sorry to think that the search had caused annoyance to the members of the household.
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether the information given to the Food Commissioner or the executive officer of the local committee was anonymous or not?
I cannot believe that the Divisional Food Commissioner would act upon anonymous information. If I may add an opinion, I am afraid that inspection in this case was certainly an unfortunate event.
Will the hon. Gentleman ascertain whether the information was anonymous or not?
Yes.
Can he say whether the only evidence of hoarding in this house was 1 1b. of petrol which had been in the house for eighteen years?
Can the hon. Gentleman give the House any idea of the sort of information upon which the Department of the Food Controller proceeds?
That is too wide a question.
Smithfield Market
43.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether special permission was given to certain and, if so, which wholesale and their allied retail firms in Smithfield Market and elsewhere, and to these firms only, to sell meat on Friday, 8th March, 1918, without the production by purchasers of meat coupons; and if this special permission was given in consequence of action by the American importers in putting upon the market a large amount of meat after their demand for an increased price of Id. per 1b. had been refused?
No retail business is at present conducted in Smithfield Market, and, consequently, coupons are not required there. With regard to the question of the retail sale of meat without coupons by firms outside the market, the Food Controller has no reason to suppose that any such permission as that referred to was granted, though such action is within the powers given to local food control committees in order that waste of meat through its becoming unsaleable may be prevented. The suggestion contained in the second part of the question with regard to the action of the American meat importers is entirely without foundation.
Refrigerated Produce, Manchester
44.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food what was the total weight of meat and refrigerated produce stored on private account in Miller Street Cold Air Stores, Manchester, on Saturday, 2nd February, and Saturday, 2nd March, respectively, and who were the four principal holders in the latter case and the extent and character of their holdings?
The total weight of meat and refrigerated produce stored on private account in the Union Cold Stores, Miller Street, Manchester, on Saturday, 2nd February, was 110 tons, while on Saturday, 2nd March, it was 89 tons. In the latter case the four principal holders and the extent and character of their holdings were as follows:
J. Pendlebury, Limited | 17 tons offal. |
Armour and Company | 12 tons bacon. |
J Cox, Limited | 12 tons offal. |
S. Irlam | 9 tons offal. |
Milk
47.
asked the Prime Minsiter, in view of the fact that the United Dairies Combine controls 80 per cent. of the wholesale milk supply to London and 70 per cent. of the retail supply, and that no advantage of an improved grade of milk or cheapness has been made a condition of approval to this monopoly by any Government Department concerned, if he will appoint a. committee, representative of consumers, producers, the Agricultural Organisation Society, the Ministry of Food, and the Board of Agriculture, to inquire into the whole matter and report whether it is in the public interest that such a monopoly should be permitted; and, if so, under what conditions of standard and prices of the essential food controlled?
I have been asked to reply. The Joint Committee of the Ministry of Food and the Board of Agriculture on the production and distribution of milk have already given considerable attention to this matter, and, at Lord Rhondda's request, they are now appointing a sub-committee, on which outside representatives of consumers and producers will be added, for the purpose of settling the immediate steps necessary for the control of the collection, utilisation, and distribution of milk sold wholesale.
May I ask the Leader of the House whether he will now take steps to prevent any further firms being included in the combine until the Committee have reported?
This is obviously a question dealing directly with the food supply, and more suitable for the Food Controller. I have not looked into it myself, but I will do so.
May I ask the same question of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food?
I think my hon. Friend may be assured that immediate action will be taken, as this answer indicates, and that the matter may be safely left in the hands of the committee now being appointed.
51.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food if he will state in thousands of gallons what is the present production of milk in England, Scotland, and Wales; what was the total production for the six months ending 31st December, 1917; what was the total production for the six months ending 30th June, 1917; the amount and percentage of such total production which is now being, and was during the above periods, converted into condensed milk, milk powder, chocolate, or otherwise preserved apart from conversion into cheese and butter; the amount and percentage of the total production which is now, and was during the above periods, controlled, converted as above by the United Dairies. Limited, and Nestlé's and Anglo-Swiss Condensed Milk Company, respectively; and the amount and the percentage of the total production which is now, and was during the above periods, converted into cheese and butter, and the percentage of this so converted by the United Dairies, Limited?
I regret that, owing to the absence of precise statistics, it is impossible to give all the information asked for in this question, but, from such records as are available, I have caused a statement to be prepared, and am sending this to the hon. Member.
The following is the statement referred to:—
The only available statistics with regard to the first part of the question are those obtained by means of the various censuses taken by the Ministry of Food and the Board of Agriculture, but, though the number of cows can be given, it is not possible to give exact figures as to milk production, since the average yield per cow is unknown, and there are no figures to show the proportion of animals calving in any season of the year. The census figures are as follows:
1. CENSUS of 2nd December, 1917 (joint by Ministry of Food and Board of Agriculture) showed Dairy Cattle only— | |||
— | Cows and heifers in milk. | Cows and heifers in calf. | Other breeding and store cattle 2 years and over. |
England and Wales | 1,553,948 | 1,028,184 | 370,914 |
Scotland | 239,317 | 210,794 | 47,373 |
Total | 1,793,265 | 1,238,978 | 418,287 |
It was estimated on 2nd December, 1917, by producers that they would sell (not produce) during three following months 125,801,646 imperial gallons.
2. CENSUS by Board of Agriculture 4th June, 1917— | |||
— | Cow and heifers in milk. | Cows in calf but dry. | Heifers in calf with first calf. |
England and Wales | 1,831,443 | 271,537 | 361,814 |
Scotland | 347.000 | 45,000 | 50,000 |
Total | 2,178,443 | 316,537 | 411,814 |
Grand total | 2,906,794 |
3. CENSUS taken at request of War Office through Police, 21st April, 1917— | |||
— | Cows and heifers in milk. | Cows in calf but dry. | Heifers in calf with first calf. |
England and Wales | 1,735,328 | 365,700 | 421,508 |
Scotland | 314,000 | 125,000 | |
Total | 2,049,328 | 912,208 | |
Grand total | 2,961,536 |
On 1st March, 1918, the product of not more than 57,364 cows was being used for the manufacture of condensed milk. Figures as to the other periods mentioned are not available. The amount of milk converted into dried milk during the six months ending the 31st December, 1917, was not less than 4,713,118 gallons, while, during the six months ending the 30th January, 1917, it was not less than 2,648,961 gallons. No milk is now being used in the manufacture of chocolate. Figures as to the amount of milk preserved apart from the production of cheese and butter are not available. Information as to the percentage of the total production of milk controlled by the United Dairies Company, Ltd., has not yet been obtained. The amount of milk used by Nestlé's in the manufacture of condensed milk in the six months ending 30th June, 1917, was 11,569,081 gallons, and in the six months ending 31st December, 1917, 13,705,369 gallons. The amount used during the six months ending 30th June, 1918, will probably not exceed the first of these figures.
Will this information be before the Committee?
Certainly.
52 and 53.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food (1) if during the month of April, 1918, the price of milk to the producer will be reduced from 1s. 9d. to 1s. 8d., whiile the price to the wholesaler remains the same, so that the consumer will obtain no benefit by way of a reduced price; (2) why the margin has been increased from 3d. to 4½d. for large wholesalers prepared to collect from the station and deliver to the retailers' premises, while ½d. only is allowed to wholesalers who, supplying churns, standing the risk of bad debts, doing all the booking, regulating the quantities, and supplying stationery to the farmers, put the milk direct from the producers to the retailers; and if he is aware that the above increase is not unduly favourable to the United Dairies combine of wholesalers and retailers and detrimental to their smaller competitors in the wholesale trade?
The Food Controller has fixed the price of milk to the producer during April at 1s. 8d. per gallon, which is the average of the prices previously fixed for the six winter months. After a careful examination of the best figures available as to costings, it has been thought advisable to increase the maximum margin allowed to wholesale dealers for milk delivered by them to the retailer's premises, the dealer paying the railway charges, from 3¾d. to 4½d. per gallon. A margin of ½d. per gallon is allowed to wholesalers upon whose instructions producers send their milk direct to retailers, since this figure is considered to be adequate for the services rendered. I cannot agree that these rates are unduly favourable to any particular company; they are maximum rates, subject to variation by local food control committees, upon whose action will depend the actual price paid by the consumer for milk in April.
Is it not the fact that these margins for wholesalers and retailers were fixed on the idea that the services would be rendered by different firms, and now that so many firms are in the combine the margins are unduly favourable to them?
My reply indicates that it is not considered that these margins arc unduly favourable to any one company.
Sugar
50.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food what arrangements are made respecting the rations of sugar to His Majesty's judges on circuit; and whether they are placed on the same footing as commercial travellers, and immediately on arrival at an Assize town are obliged to go to the local post office to enter their names and requisitions as in the case of commercial travellers?
It is not proposed, in rationing sugar or any other food commodity, to make any distinction whatever.
His Majesty's judges would be among the first to approve absolute equality of treatment under existing conditions.Imports In British Ships
49.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will correct misunderstandings arising out of recent Ministerial statements on the subject by giving the total reduction in the weight of all imports for 1917 as compared with 1916?
The statements to which my hon. Friend refers had relation, as was clearly stated, to imports in British ships only, and did not include neutral tonnage.
Diseased Meat
54.
asked the President of the Local Government Board whether, in view of the recent seizures at Smith- field Market of tuberculous meat and the danger that the existing high price of meat may tempt many persons where they consider themselves safe from efficient inspection to unload such goods in the form of sausage meat, piece meat, pie meat, etc., he will address a circular letter to all local sanitary authorities directing that all slaughterings are to be notified and that animals and dead meat shall be, if possible, inspected by the local authorities at the time of slaughter and before being offered for sale?
My right hon. Friend is advised that, under existing conditions, notification of the time of slaughtering would not achieve the result aimed at, but the possibility of securing more prompt inspection by greater concentration of the places where slaughtering takes place is under consideration.
55.
asked the President of the Local Government Board whether the officers of his Department instituted an examination of the tuberculous and diseased meat which, during the last six weeks, has been continuously deposited in Smithfield Market; and whether, in view of the national danger that such goods may be diverted to markets where the meat inspection is of a less trained and efficient character than that of the City of London Corporation, ho will cause to be circulated to Members of Parliament and local sanitary authorities the Report, if any, prepared by his officers on the subject?
One of the Board's inspectors has seen, at Smithfield Market, specimens of the diseased meat referred to, but no inspection of the character suggested in the question has been made by the officers of the Board. That duty devolves upon the officials of the Corporation of London. No Report has been prepared by the Department on the subject.
Goats (Ireland)
67.
asked the Vice-President of the Department of Agriculture (Ireland) whether he is aware of the number of goats being exported from Ireland, and whether he will have inquiries instituted and arrangements adopted to ensure that a sufficient number of goats will be retained to continue the normal number for breeding purposes?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The question of maintaining the stock of goats in Ireland is receiving the attention of the Department of Agriculture.
Merchant Seamen (Burial)
39.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the Merioneth County Council recently incurred an expenditure of £82 18s. in the burial of the bodies of merchant seamen washed ashore in Merioneth; that the refund of this expenditure has been declined by the Admiralty on the ground that the cost of funerals is only borne by naval funds when such funerals are conducted by the naval authorities; and whether, in view of the fact that the county council were not aware of this condition when the expenditure was incurred, steps will be taken to refund the money spent and notification given of the procedure to be followed in future cases?
The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the third, the decision that the Royal Navy should undertake the burial of the bodies of merchant seamen who have lost their lives as a result of the acts of the enemy was arrived at in order to mark the close co-operation between the Royal Navy and the mercantile marine at this time. The naval authorities on the coast have already been instructed to arrange these funerals—namely, on the 17th January—and steps have been taken to inform all local authorities of this arrangement. I am afraid we have no authority to repay in this case.
Insurance Policies Lapsed
45.
asked the Prime Minister if he will appoint a Committee to inquire into the conduct of the various industrial insurance companies in connection with the lapsing of policies; and if he will make special inquries into the dealings of the Prudential Company?
The Prime Minister has asked me to answer this question. The Courts (Emergency Powers) Act prevents the lapsing of industrial policies for small amounts, on which premiums had been paid for two years before the War, without an application to the Court, and my right hon. Friend does not at present see any necessity to appoint a Committee to inquire into the matter.
Will the hon. Gentleman represent to the Prime Minister the advisability of taking some steps to stop gambling in child life for private profit?
I have no evidence that any such thing is taking place.
Does not the hon. Gentleman know that all these life insurance companies of this type do nothing else but gamble in the child life of the country?
I have no information of the kind.
Will you inquires?
Will the hon. Gentleman take steps to inquire into the amount of the policies that have lapsed since the outbreak of war?
I have already done so, and I find it is less since the War than before.
I mean the value in money, not the number?
Committee Of Production Awards And Bonuses (Ireland)
46.
asked the Prime Minister if he will cause instructions to be issued for the payment of the Committee of Production awards and bonuses, including the 12½ per cent., to all Government employés in Ireland?
I have been asked to reply to this question. I can only refer the hon. Member to the answer given to him on 14th February.
Attacks Upon Hospital Ships
48.
asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the good results recently obtained by a threat of reprisals, His Majesty's Government will continue this policy and extend its scope; whether he is aware that the French Government has secured complete immunity from submarine attack for their hospital ships plying between Salonika and Marseilles by including enemy officers among the passengers; and will he adopt similar means of ensuring safe transit for our hospital ships?
I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave yesterday on this subject to the hon. Member for the Ludlow Division. I may add, however, that the statement made in the last part of the question that German prisoners are now being carried in French hospital ships is erroneous.
Is it not the fact that the right hon. Gentleman informed me repeatedly during the first two years of the War that reprisals were entirely impracticable, and as their adoption has proved a great success should not their scope be extended in every direction?
My hon. and gallant Friend's memory is too good for a statement I certainly did not make, because I never held any such view.
Does the right hon. Gentleman mean to imply that he never told me, in answer to very many questions in this House, that reprisals were impracticable?
Never. A general statement of that kind I am certain I never made. Of course, it is very difficult to recall everything that has been said, but I am certain I never made such a statement, because I never thought it.
In view of the desirability of rendering hospital ships immune from attack would the right hon. Gentleman consider the advisability of putting on board international financiers of friendly alien origin?
Bradford Colliery, Manchester (Russians)
57.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that a deputation recently waited on the management of Bradford Colliery, Manchester, complaining of the employment of Russians of military age in the pit, and complaining also that these persons adopted an offensive attitude towards patriotic colliers while at work; whether he can state what evidence was given in support of these complaints; what is the number of Russian subjects so employed; and whether any action is proposed to be taken in the matter?
I was not aware of the incident referred to in the question, but inquiries have been made, and I understand that only eight Russians are employed at the Bradford Colliery, one of whom was employed there before the War. Some protests have been made by the other men at the pit against the employment of Russians, but I have not heard of any particular reason such as the hon. Member suggests for those protests. I understand that the matter is now settled, and my right hon. Friend sees no reason for intervention.
Railway Service (Merthyr And Aberdare)
58.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if his attention has been called to the loss and inconvenience caused to the inhabitants of the Merthyr and Aberdare districts by the Great Western Railway Company refusing to run a train later than 5.30 p.m. between Merthyr and Abernant, which means that the people have to travel 15 or 20 miles around, viâ Abercynon, which means time, expense, delays, and hardship; is he aware that the Great Western Railway Company have been petitioned by the Merthyr Town Council, and also the Aberdare Urban District Council, to run later trains, but that the railway company have refused to comply; and if his Department will take steps to secure that the reasonable requirements of the travelling public of these districts shall be met?
I have communicated with the railway company on this matter, and I am sending the hon. Gentleman a copy of their reply.
Paper Supplies
59.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the Paper Controller, with a. view to the continuance of the issue of weekly news papers, will consider the desirability of commandeering and rationing all paper in the country?
The whole question of the distribution of paper imported into and produced in this country is receiving the urgent consideration of the Paper Controller.
Lapsed Insurance Policies
60.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the position in respect of the lapsing of insurance policies, often due to hardships caused by the War, he will appoint a Committee to investigate the working of assurance companies, especially in respect of lapsed policies, and to suggest what further legislation may be necessary to safeguard the interests of policy holders?
I would refer my hon. Friend to my answer to the question asked to-day by the hon. Member for Dublin Harbour.
Matches
61.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that in the districts of Twickenham and Richmond, in the South-West of London, there is a scarcity of matches, and that the firms who had the supply in 1915 decline to share their supplies with the smaller tobacconist shops; and whether he will cause arrange- ments to be made to prevent the small shopkeepers being damaged in their business by this conduct?
62.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is aware of the inconvenience caused by the shortage of matches in London; and if he will take steps whereby the deficiency may be supplied?
The available supplies of matches are being distributed regularly on a basis which is considered to be adequate to prevent any hardship to the public. Deliveries into the London district since the beginning of the year have averaged 4,000,000 boxes per week. Special steps have already been taken with regard to those districts on the outskirts of London and elsewhere where-there has been a temporary or abnormal increase in the population It has been made clear to wholesale dealers that a due proportion of the quantity allotted to them must be supplied to those small dealers who drew their supplies from them in the basic year—1915—but I will have the particular instances referred to investigated.
Is the supply being fairly distributed, and will the hon. Gentleman get an accurate estimate of the population, taking into consideration the large camps that are brought into districts such as Kent, and the munition workers?
We take care to get an accurate estimate of the population.
Has the hon. Gentleman had his attention called to the fact that some of the large stores will not sell single boxes, but will only sell matches by the gross?
I was not aware of that. My attention had not been called to it. The small retailers have to sell them in boxes.
National Service Badges
63.
asked the Minister of National Service whether, in view of the necessity of attracting and securing the services of voluntary workers for important national organisations, such as the Government Information Bureaux, he will make arrangements to issue National Service badges to all workers not eligible for military service?
While fully recognising the valuable services rendered by voluntary workers, such as those referred to by my hon. Friend, it is not considered practicable to adopt the suggestion proposed in the question.
Civil Servants (War Bonus)
64.
asked the Secretary to the Treasury if he will see that all war bonuses to Civil servants shall be paid monthly instead of quarterly, as is now the practice in some Government employments?
If the hon. Member will be good enough to specify the Departments to which he refers, I shall be happy to make inquiries.
Why should it not apply to all Departments?
I shall be very glad to have the information I have asked for from the hon. Member.
Munitions
Shells (Aberdeen Firm)
65.
asked the Minister of Munitions whether charges have been brought to his attention that an engineering firm in Aberdeen engaged in the manufacture of munitions were faking 6-inch shells, and were in the possession of special marking tools for this purpose, a consignment of shells coating £4,000 being involved; whether Colonel Stansfield, of Woolwich Arsenal, was sent to Aberdeen by the Ministry; whether it was discovered that discarded shells were being marked as if they had been passed and approved; whether these engineering works have since been taken over by the Government, after a military investigation had taken place; whether he is aware of the name of the electrical engineers in Aberdeen who produced a tool for markings similar to the inspector's mark; and will he say whether there has been or will be prosecution of any or all concerned?
The inquiries which I set on foot as a result of my hon. Friend's question are not yet completed. I shall be glad if my hon. Friend will again be so good as to repeat his question on Monday next.
Woolwich Arsenal
Waste Of Time Alleged
66.
asked the Minister of Munitions if he has completed his inquiry with regard to the alleged waste of time in Woolwich Arsenal; and, if so, whether he is now prepared to give the result of that inquiry?
My hon. Friend's question refers to some statements made in a letter published by a member of the New South Wales Parliament and written to him by a young Australian engineer, who stated that he had been working at Woolwich Arsenal from November, 1916, until a recent date. This letter contained a number of sweeping and very serious allegations against the workmen employed at Woolwich Arsenal and, incidentally, against the management.
In view of the gravity of the charges, affecting as they do the credit of our greatest national arsenal and of the publicity given to them, I thought it necessary to order an immediate and most searching investigation. The results of that investigation have now reached me. It is impossible to bring them within the limits of an oral answer even by a severe summary. I will have the answer circulated with the OFFICIAL REPORT, but I think it only fair to the authorities and to the workmen at Woolwich Arsenal to say that the investigation has proved that the statements in the letter were either without foundation or grossly exaggerated.The following is the Written Reply:
Summary Of The Allegations And Of The Report, Under The Chief Heads
Apart from the specific allegations of laxity and misconduct, the statement contains a number of inaccuracies which indicate a very imperfect and brief acquaintance with the practice of the Arsenal.
Carriage Inspection Department
(1) Allegation—The majority came in and got into corners and played cards all the day long and never lifted a hammer to do any work.
Answer—This statement is not true. Certain cases of slackness have occurred, as would be expected, but these cases, when brought to notice, have been severely dealt with.
(2) Allegation.—Any time during the day you could go over to the canteens and find them smoking and drinking tea.
Answer—The use of canteens, except at stated times, is forbidden, and the statement that they are used at all times during the day is untrue. In August, 1917, the output reached its highest level, over 1,100 different consignments being dealt with in that month as against 650 in August, 1916.
(3) Allegation. One man from each section had to go down to the butts to see the carriage tested; and no matter how many there were to do, you were expected to stay away all day, even if you got finished by 9.30, and you were not expected back to the shop before 5.30 at night. Most of the men took advantage of this, and turned up about 5.30 p.m. and get allowed one hour for dinner because they were not back in the shop by 12.30 p.m. That meant they knocked off at 7 p.m. and got paid till 8 o'clock.
Answer.—The examiners who are sent down to watch proof invariably return to the inspection shed and report to the foreman when the proof of the carriages they are watching is finished. Since gun and carriage proof may continue right through the dinner hour, it is necessary for examiners to be continually in attendance; and consequently they are allowed to leave at 7 p.m., though paid up to 8 p.m. to make up for the dinner hour. The statement that the men take advantage of the opportunity to get away from the Arsenal because of any delay in proof or early finish, is not true, since reports from the butts could at once bring to light the time proof was finished, and show up any "playing truant" on the part of the examiner. There is such a continuous stream of carriages going down to proof that it would be extremely difficult for any examiner to evade detection of any irregularity, since he might be wanted at a moment's notice.
Carriage Factory
(4) Allegation.—At C.F.C., setting up on machines for girls. I found the condition even worse. You were supposed to look after five machines and you were not allowed to do anything to the other machines if the other fitter was out, and the girls had to sit there all day and do nothing, or go home. There were twenty-five of them, and the average time to set one up was three minutes, and they wanted looking to about every hour and sometimes
not that. Under ordinary circumstances you only work about ten minutes in every hour; one man could easily have looked after the whole twenty-five machines, but you were hot allowed to, as the A.S.E. had said five machines were enough for one man to look after.
Answer.—It is not correct to state that a man had to look after five machines. There would be a certain number of mechanics to a group of machines and the number might work out to one in five or six, or other number, depending upon the efficiency of the mechanics, toolmakers, operators, etc.; but whatever the number might be those mechanics would have to keep the machinery going, if one of them were out. The time for setting up and looking after a machine depends on circumstances and the nature of the adjustment required. No definite time can be given. It is absurd to say that one man could have looked after twenty-five machines. It is quite incorrect to say that girls had to sit all day and do nothing or go home if a fitter were out, as his work would be divided up amongst the other fitters, or, if necessary, a fitter brought from another shop.
(5) Allegation.—In this factory the A.S.E. used to call a meeting about once a week, and it would last from one to two hours, and the shop had to stop till they were ready to start work again, but their wages were still being paid.
Answer—Very occasionally a shop meeting was held in C.F.6, usually over labour troubles, and with permission. Once a week is quite incorrect. The meetings were usually held at the change-over of shifts, so that there was little loss of output.
(6) Allegation—These men drew from £6 to £8 per week. The men in the tool room, were getting £12 to £18 per week; one man in the tool-room was making £28 to £30 per week; and anytime during the day you could go out to the canteens and see them sitting down smoking when they should have been at work.
Answer.—The men on the plant in C.F.6 drew from £6 to £7 on the average. The money earned by the one man in the tool-room is exaggerated. This man is presumably a die cutter who worked here and was of extraordinary ability, and has made as much as £20 in one week when other men doing the same work only earned £6. The canteens are shut during working hours.
(7) Allegation.—If one of your machines broke down you were not allowed to repair it, though you had plenty of time to do it, as it was considered a tool-room job and they got paid piece-work for doing it, and most likely you had to wait a couple of days for a job to be done that should only take a couple of hours.
Answer. —Every tool was inspected before it left the tool-room to see that it was correct. Indifferent men on the plant are apt to think that they can make improvements on the tools as received. This is very undesirable and results in defective work. It is the duty of the men on the plant to do all running repairs. Only repairs requiring the use of machine tools are sent to the tool-room., and as a rule there is no delay.
(8) Allegation—Most of these men when an air raid warning is sounded rush out of the factory and leave the girls to look after themselves.
Answer.—There is great variation in the way people behave during an air raid, but there is no justification for the sweeping statement made.
Will the hon. Gentleman call the attention of the Public Prosecutor to this correspondence in the "Times," with a view to having that paper prosecuted for prejudicing the production of munitions of war?