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Commons Chamber

Volume 105: debated on Tuesday 16 April 1918

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House Of Commons

Tuesday, 16th April, 1918.

The House met at a Quarter before Three of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Private Business

Private Bills (Standing Orders not previously inquired into complied with),—Mr. Speaker laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That, in the case of the following Bill, referred on the Second Reading thereof, the Standing Orders not previously inquired into, which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, namely:

Londonderry and Lough Swilly Railway Bill.

Ordered, That the Bill be committed.

Private Bills [ Lords] (Standing Orders not previously inquired into complied with),—Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That, in the case of the following Bill, originating in the Lords, and referred on the First Reading thereof, the Standing Orders not previously inquired into which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, namely:

Brixham Gas Bill [ Lords].

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time.

Provisional Order Bills (no Standing Orders applicable), —Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report, from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That, in the case of the following Bill, referred on the First Reading thereof, no Standing Orders are applicable, namely:

Marriages Provisional Order Bill.

Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time To-morrow.

Private Bills (Petition for additional Provision) (Standing Orders not complied with), —Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That, in the case of the Petition for additional Provision in the following Bill, the Standing Orders have not been complied with, namely:

Lancaster Corporation Bill.

Ordered, That the Report be referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders.

Nitrate Railways Bill [ Lords],

Read a second time, and committed.

Military Service Bill (Conscription In Ireland)

I beg to present a Petition, signed by 500 inhabitants of Ballindaggen, protesting against the imposition of Conscription upon Ireland.

Petition brought to the Table.

Scandinavia And Holland (Imports)

(Miscellaneous, No 8, 1918)

Copy presented of Statistics of Imports into Scandinavia and Holland during the years 1916 and 1917 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Votes Of Credit, 1918–19 (Navy, Army, And Air Services, Warlike Operations, And Other Expenditure Arising Out Of The War

Copy presented of a Statement of the Estimated Cost of Services to be provided for in the Votes of Credit, 1918–19 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Shops Act, 1912

Copy presented of Order made by the Council of the under mentioned local authority, and confirmed, with Amendment, by the Secretary of State for the Home Department:

Borough of Plymouth

[by Act]; to lie upon the Table.

Mercantile Marine Uniform

Copy presented of Report of the committee appointed by the Board of Trade to advise as to the uniform to be adopted as the standard uniform for the Mercantile Marine [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Ministry Of Food

Copies presented of Cocoa Powder Order, 1918, Margarine (Distribution) Order, 1918, Persian Dates (Retail Prices) Order, 1918, Beer (Prices and Description) Order, 1918, Flour (Restriction) (Ireland) Order, 1918, Dried Fruits (Distribution) Order, 1918, Oils and Fats (Restriction) Order, 1918, Notice in Shops (Ireland) Order, 1918, Pigs (Prices) Order, 1918, and Order amending the Meat (Maximum Prices) Order, 1917, made by the Food Controller under the Defence of the Realm Regulations [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Oral Answers To Questions

War

Chinese Labourers

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many Chinese labourers have been recruited at Tsinanfu; and how much money is being each month paid as separation allowances and pay to their dependants?

It is not desirable to give the information asked for in the first part of my hon. Friend's question. As regards the latter part, the information is not available.

Propaganda (Italy)

2.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether passports have been given to Mr. Wickham Steed, Dr. H. W. Seton Watson, and Mr. Nelson Gay to proceed to Rome for a conference with persons claiming to represent nationalities in Austria: whether any of these gentlemen are or recently were in the service of the Government; whether the conference has been undertaken at the desire of the Foreign Office; whether these gentlemen are attending it as representatives of the British Government; and whether the objects and results of this conference can be communicated to the House?

Lord Northcliffe, after consultation with the Foreign Office, delegated Mr. Steed to proceed to Italy as his representative to study there certain aspects of questions relating to propaganda. I understand that Dr. Seton-Watson, whose services have been utilised in the past by the Ministry of Information, has been in Rome with Mr. Steed, and that Mr. Nelson Gay, an American citizen, is also there. I have no further information as to the conference referred to in the question than has appeared in the Press.

Then we may gather that, as far as the Government is concerned, it is Lord Northcliffe, and not the Foreign Office, who is in any way responsible for this conference?

Poland

3.

asked whether the Government can say whether the National Democrat Polish Army raised under the auspices of the Polish National Committee, of which Mr. Roman Dmouski was president, has now gone over to the German side?

The description does not apply to the Polish Army as a whole, although a certain portion of it has been compelled, by force of circumstances, to accept a modus vivendi with the Germans.

Can the Noble Lord explain how it came about that Mr. Dmouski's party, which proved to be the most disloyal section of the Poles, was selected by the Foreign Office as the most loyal section?

I do not think it would be fair to Mr. Dmouski to identify him with the most disloyal section.

Ex-King Constantine

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will ascertain definitely whether the Greek Government has recently reduced the pension payable to ex-King Constantine; whether Constantine is believed to have instigated the plot discovered in Greece for the overthrow of the present Parliamentary system there; whether he has been in communication with his son, King Alexander; whether King Alexander has means of communicating with him; and whether he proposes to intervene in this matter?

I understand that the Budget Committee of the Greek Chamber have recommended the cancellation of the allowance allotted, though never in fact paid, to the ex-King. The answer to the second part of the question is in the affirmative; that to the third and fourth parts is, as far as is known, in the negative. As regards the last part, the answer is also in the negative.

May I ask if that is not in some slight disaccord with the statement from the Front Bench opposite that no such allowance was paid?

If the hon. Member will look at the answer he will see that what I have said is that no such allowance has ever been paid.

Peace Terms

Emperor Of Austria's Letter

5.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Emperor of Austria in March, 1917, sent a letter for communication to the President of the French Republic promising to support the French just claims regarding Alsace-Lorraine, the re-establishment of Belgium in her sovereignty, keeping the whole of her African possessions, and the re-establishment of Serbia in her sovereignty, with access to the Adriatic; if so, whether that letter was at the time communicated to His Majesty's Government; and whether any, and, if so, what steps were taken as a consequence of that letter?

I must refer the hon. Member to the answer given yesterday to the hon. Member for Hanley.

Will the Noble Lord go so far as to say whether there is any doubt as to this letter being genuine; and, secondly, whether the Foreign Office was cognisant of the existence of the letter?

The hon. Member, I think, will see that if I once began answering questions there would be no limit to the answers I might give.

British Envoy At Vatican

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if His Majesty's Government still continue the services of a special Envoy at the Vatican; if he will state the annual cost of the mission and the advantages to be derived from it; and if it is the intention of His Majesty's Government to maintain a permanent Legation there?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative; that to the last part is at present in the negative. The annual cost of the Mission is £4,500, and the advantages which it is expected to derive there from were clearly indicated in Command Paper No. 7736 of 1915.

Is the Noble Lord aware of the very strong feeling in this country against the continuance of this Envoy?

10.

asked if and when the appointment of the Envoy to the Vatican received the sanction of Parliament; and what is the form of civil government existing at the Vatican and warranting the presence of an Envoy?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative, as it is not customary to submit diplomatic appointments for the sanction of Parliament, except in so far as they figure in the Diplomatic and Consular Vote. As regards the second part of the question, I would refer the hon. Member to any usual work of reference such as the "Statesman's Year Book."

Prince Lichnowsky's Memorandum

7.

asked whether it is intended to publish the statements of Prince Lichnowsky as a White Paper for public circulation?

9.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he proposes to publish such information as she has been able to obtain about the Lichnowsky Memorandum, or the text of the Memorandum itself, as a Parliamentary Paper?

A full translation of the Memorandum will be placed in the Library, and it will be given wide publicity. I do not think any further action is required.

May I ask whether, on account of the desirability of getting reliable information, the Government will issue either the entire statement or some précis of it of a character useful for propaganda purposes?

I think a translation of it is being issued—I rather think it is issued to-day—but I do not think anything would be gained by laying a White Paper on the Table. As far as translation is concerned, I think that meets the whole case of my hon. Friend.

But can the Noble Lord take the responsibility for the authenticity of the translation?

It is very difficult indeed for the Government to make itself responsible for the authenticity of every word.

Cotton Exports To Switzerland

8.

asked whether the embargo on the export of cotton to Switzerland has been raised; and, if so, for what reasons?

An embargo was placed on the import of cotton into Switzerland pending the negotiations which were being carried on between the Allied Governments and the Swiss Government with the object of reducing the export of certain Swiss exports to enemy countries The object of these negotiations having been attained, the Allied Governments have now removed the embargo.

Is the Noble Lord aware that cotton is very useful in the manufacture of aeroplanes?

Is the Noble Lord aware that the Germans are building a large air fleet?

Military Service

Royal Defence Corps

11.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War to what category men of the Royal Defence Corps belong; what duties they are now carrying out; the present strength of the corps; whether a certain number of them were employed up till recently in constructing coast defence works; whether these works have since been abandoned in an unfinished condition; and, if so, whether, in view of the shortage of men, he will explain why the Royal Defence Corps was put to this use?

The answer to the first part of my hon. and gallant Friend's question is Category B2. The remainder of his question cannot be answered without giving information of value to the enemy. I cannot, therefore, give it.

Will the right hon. Gentleman keep in view the great use to which these men can be put, and will he consider the question of brigading them with other divisions?

Russian Subject

13.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that Private A. Toni, G 25206, 3rd Buffs, now at Dover, is a Russian subject, speaking and understanding English imperfectly; that he spat blood for sixteen days at Western Heights Military Hospital, to which place he was carried on a stretcher; that on being returned to duty he dropped his rifle from sheer weakness and was punished; that his medical history sheet cannot be found, and his friends believe it to have been wilfully destroyed to prevent his case being considered properly V that, driven to extremities by illness, punishments, and harsh treatment, he has attempted suicide; that independent persons who have seen him declare that he is mentally deranged owing to his treatment; and that he is now anxious to return to Russia; whether he will have independent inquiry made, not merely by calling for reports from persons who have mismanaged this case; and whether he will release this man on condition that he leaves this country for Russia?

Inquiries are being made in this case, and I will let my hon. Friend know the result in due course

Montenegrins

16.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he received on or about 16th December, 1917, information that some thousands of Montenegrins capable of bearing arms were, owing to political intrigue, interned in various places on the Continent; that these men, some of them veteran soldiers, are eager to enrol themselves as a Montenegrin corps under their national flag and fight under the command of English or French officers; and whether he has taken action in order to secure the help of these fighting men or whether he will appoint a commissioner, preferably a military officer, to visit these men and make a Report upon their condition?

Statements of the nature indicated by my hon. Friend were received on the 17th December, but on further investigation it appeared that they were exaggerated, particularly as regards numbers. The internment of any individual Montenegrins on the Continent, and arrangements affecting Montenegrin subjects there, are the concern of other Allied Powers, and not of the British military authorities.

Leave (Young Soldiers)

18.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the young men under nineteen years of age who were sent out to France in the recent emergency without having been given draft leave could, when the immediate pressure is relieved and leave from France is resumed, be given preference in the granting of Home leave?

Sympathetic consideration will, I hope, be given to the cases to which my hon. and gallant Friend refers.

Retired Officers

23.

asked the Under secretary of State for War if he will state, in the event of the Military Service Bill becoming an Act, what will be the position of an officer who, though of not more than fifty years of age, has, owing to reasons of health or because considered too old for work suitable to his rank, resigned his commission; and will such an officer be deemed to have been duly enlisted and be held at the disposal of the Minister for National Service?

My hon. Friend has asked me to reply. An officer who has ceased to hold a commission on the ground of disablement or ill-health will be entitled to the benefit of the general provisions regarding disabled soldiers which have been inserted in the first Schedule to the Military Service Bill. The position of other officers referred to in my hon. and gallant Friend's question is being carefully considered by the War Office and the Ministry of National Service.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that a, number of officers, relieved on medical grounds, are being called up now, and would he say what redress they have, and to whom they have to apply?

24.

asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he is aware of the number of officers of not more than fifty years of ago who were either serving in or who rejoined or obtained commissions in the Army in the earlier stages of the War, and who have since, owing to their age or physical incapacity far further active service on one of the fronts, been placed on half-pay or resigned their commissions to make room for younger men; and will he say what steps are being taken in the present man-power crisis to find employment for such officers?

Whenever possible posts are found for these officers, but my hon. and gallant Friend will realise that the number of such officers is large, and the number of posts for which they are suitable is very small. I think that I should state that no officers are employed at home unless they are —

  • (a) Specially selected in view of their personal qualifications;
  • (b) Medically unfit for service abroad;
  • (c) Sent home from a, theatre of war for a temporary period of rest.
  • Soldiers Of Nineteen Years

    30.

    asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the pledges repeatedly given in this House and by letter to Members of Parliament that young soldiers would not be sent out of this country until they had attained the age of nineteen years and had sufficient training have been broken; will he state at what age and with what training such soldiers are now sent abroad; will he state whether he is aware that complaints are made by letter from many fathers and mothers that their soldier sons, in many cases of the age of eighteen years and some even under that age, are now being sent abroad without even getting any leave to visit their homes and relatives; and, if this is so, will he make it clear to the House and the country what is really being done by the military authorities in this matter?

    I am afraid that I can add nothing to the statement made by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister on Tuesday last.

    Would not the hon. Gentleman make that statement publicly in the House? Also has any complaint been made to him that a boy of sixteen and a half years has been sent to the front within the last fortnight?

    In regard to the last part of the question, I have had the case presented to me by my hon. Friend of a boy of sixteen and a half years who was unfortunately sent to the front. I am investigating that case, and I believe it will be found to be the case of a very gallant youth who gave his age at higher than it really was. I feel sure, however that once the boy's birth certificate is produced the military authorities will see that he is sent home.

    Has not this boy's father another son who is only nineteen years and two months whom he is willing to leave at the front?

    Can my hon. Friend say that as the Rule now stands boys of eighteen and a half may be sent to the front, but not into the fighting line till they are actually nineteen?

    No, I cannot say that the Rule at present is as stated by the hon. Member. I understand that the Rule is that a boy of eighteen and a half can be sent abroad for any purpose, but not sent to the front till fully trained.

    Is it not a common practice, which shows the grit and pluck of a lot of these boys, that they have very often given a higher age than they are, and that when this is brought to the notice of the commanding officers the necessary steps are taken to return these boys?

    Yes, it is the fact as stated by the hon. Gentleman. I have-come across hundreds of these cases.

    Is it not the Rule that boys under eighteen and a half years-are returned now?

    No, I do not think that is the Rule; a boy under eighteen and a half who was untrained, would not be sent to the front line, but would be kept for useful purposes behind the lines.

    Army Ordnance Department, Woolwich

    21.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he is aware that a man named E. Clifton, aged thirty-two, Category Al, employed in Section 16 b, Machine Gun Store, Army Ordnance Department, Royal Arsenal,. Woolwich, received his papers to join the Colours on 18th March, 1918; that he has not been called up; that in the meantime-he has been appointed a foreman at Woolwich; and whether this man will be released for service with the Colours and his work at Woolwich done by a discharged and wounded soldier?

    This man has been employed on work of considerable importance, and, as such, has been in possession of Army Form W. 3,476, which exempts him from being called up. Arrangements were made some time ago to replace him, in the event of further calls for men of "A" category, and he is now being released for service.

    Would this man have been released for service if a question had not been asked in this House?

    Agricultural Workers

    36, 37 and 38.

    asked the Financial Secretary (1) whether he is aware that agricultural workers in low medical categories have been compulsorily enlisted and returned after a few weeks' military training in this country to work on the land, and that such-men are now receiving full civilian pay for their work, while their wives are being paid in addition full separation allowances, even in cases where the man has returned to his own home and is working on precisely the same work as before enlistment and at advanced wages; whether he contemplates altering this arrangement; (2) if he will state how many soldiers are now engaged in agricultural work of any kind drawing full civilian pay for this civilian work and whose wives are at the same time drawing separation and children's allowances; (3) whether he is aware that the payment to soldiers, after a few weeks' military training in this country, now engaged on agricultural work of full civilian pay with separation allowance to their wives is the cause of much discontent among soldiers engaged in combatant service who receive only military pay with separation allowance, and among civilians engaged on similar agricultural work who receive only civilian pay and no separation allowance; and whether he will take steps to put a stop to these cases of unfairness?

    I can assure my hon. Friend that the references he recently made in Debate to this subject are receiving full and careful consideration.

    Has the right hon. Gentleman an idea as to the cost to the country which this arrangement is creating or the amount of unrest and disturbance which this unfairness is also creating in the country?

    I am afraid that I cannot give my hon. Friend the figures without making an elaborate inquiry, which would involve a very great deal of time, but I can assure him that the War Office realises fully the feeling that exists in reference to this question.

    Labourers' Cottages

    39.

    asked whether, seeing that many employers have kept the cottages and homes of employés who have joined the Colours available for them on their return, and consequently have no house for a substitute, he will arrange that where a soldier is returned for employment on the land similar to the employment upon which he was engaged before enlistment, such soldier shall be returned to his former employment instead of to similar employment in a different part of the country away from his wife and family and under a different employer?

    The detailed allotment of individual soldiers to farmers is carried out by the Food Production Department. I do not doubt that the considerations advanced are duly borne in mind, so far as is practicable.

    Emergency Powers Acts

    49.

    asked the Prime Minister if some provision can be made in the Ministry Service Bill to protect men who are called up and are proprietors of businesses in premises under long leases at heavy rents, say suspension of lease while called up or provision of rent while serving?

    My right hon. Friend has asked me to reply. The Government do not feel that it is practicable to insert in the present Military Service Bill such a provision as my hon. Friend suggests. It must be remembered that wide powers are vested in the Courts by the Courts (Emergency Powers) Acts for granting relief, and that the Civil Liabilities Commissioners are also empowered to afford financial assistance in appropriate cases.

    Am I to understand that this difficulty is really covered by the Courts (Emergency Powers) Acts, and, if not, ought it not to be covered, as this is a very serious matter?

    May I ask my hon. Friend whether his attention has been called to the new Clause which was suggested, and which was only ruled out of order on the ground that it was outside the scope of the Military Service Bill; that the Clause purported to amend deficiencies in the Courts (Emergency Powers) Acts so as to do justice to men called up, and who are under contractual obligations which at present could not be made good by them without legislation; and will the Minister of National Service consider the introduction of separate legislation so as to do justice to men who by serving their country have had their contracts destroyed?

    From the answer I have given, it is obvious that it is not within the scope of the Military Service Bill to introduce a provision of the sort suggested. It is a Man-Power Bill, and has nothing to do with things of that sort. If there is a flaw in the law, and new legislation is required to deal with cases of hardship, it is obviously a question that should be addressed to the Prime Minister.

    May I ask my right hon. Friend the Leader of the House whether, having heard the question, he will consider the desirability of introducing separate legislation to remove this very great and widely extended hardship?

    This is the first consideration I have given to the matter. I will see that the point is examined.

    Conscription (Ireland)

    51, 52, and 53.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) if he is aware that, at a meeting of the Episcopal Standing Committee, held in Ireland on the 9th instant, the Irish bishops passed a resolution of protest against the application of Conscription to Ireland; whether the Government propose to pay any attention to the bishops warning; (2) whether representatives of labour in any part of Ireland were consulted before the Government decided to enforce Conscription on Irish workers; whether he recognises the danger of the stoppage of all trade, trams, and boats, and a general downing of tools in Ireland; (3) whether he intends to take any heed of the warnings of all parties in this House against the proposal to enforce Conscription on Ireland; if he is aware that the Irish people are opposed to Conscription, and that all parties and Labour organisations are solidly united to prevent its operation in Ireland; if he is aware of the effect on the Allies, especially America and France, if the Government should use their machine guns, artillery, and tanks now in Ireland to enforce military service on the people; and if he will now consider the advisability of withdrawing the proposals and submit the question of military service and settlement of the Irish question to a tribunal representing the Allied and neutral States, selection of tribunal and terms of reference being left in the hands of President Wilson or the Emperor of Japan?

    The right hon. Gentleman has not answered the first question at all. Can we have any answer from him as to whether he intends to pay no attention to the bishops' warning against Conscription?

    It has been answered many times in debate. We have carefully considered all the reasons for and against, and the decision of the Government has been clearly stated.

    If it is not the intention of the Government to enforce the power which the House has given them under the Bill, will they make an early announcement to that effect, and thus prevent disturbances taking place in Ireland?

    Will not the right hon. Gentleman consider the advisability of making the same bargain with the bishops as he is making with certain other parties in Ireland?

    Has the right hon. Gentleman received any communication in any shape or form from any elective public bodies or boards in Ireland in favour of Conscription, and how many of such communications he has received?

    I personally have not received any communications, but it is not likely that they would be addressed to me.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman ask the Chief Secretary how many he has received?

    Prisoners Of War

    14.

    asked the Under-Secretary of State for War if any attempt has been made to negotiate with the Turkish Government for the repatriation of British prisoners of war of over two years' standing; and, if not, whether he will initiate negotiations to that end?

    On the general subject of negotiations with the Turkish Government with regard to prisoners, I would remind my hon. Friend of the fact that an agreement was signed between British and Turkish delegates at Berne some months since, but has not yet been ratified by the Turkish Government. The basis of this agreement is repatriation on grounds of health rather than length of captivity; and until this agreement is carried out it would seem premature to start fresh negotiations on another principle, apart from the inherent difficulties of the course suggested in the question.

    Amended Scale Of Rations

    26.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether the scale of dietary for enemy prisoners of war in this country now conforms, both in quality and quantity, with that which, under the rationing system at present in force, is possible for an adult British civilian; and, if not, will he give the scale allowed to enemy prisoners of war?

    I will circulate with the OFFICIAL REPORT a copy of the scale at present in force which has been approved by the medical authorities.

    The following is the scale referred to:

    Prisoners of War. (Amended Scale of Rations.)

    Daily (except where otherwise shown) —
    Bread9ozs.
    Broken Biscuit4ozs.
    Meat4ozs.
    (5 days a week. Pickled beef will be issued on 2 of these days, if available.)
    Salt-cured or smoked herrings10ozs.
    (2 days a week.)
    Tea¼oz.
    or
    Coffee½oz.
    Sugar1oz.
    Salt¼oz.
    Potatoes20ozs.
    Other fresh vegetables4ozs.
    Split peas or beans2ozs.
    Rice1oz.
    Oatmeal1oz.
    (If full ration is not obtainable, an equal quantity of rice may be issued in lieu.)
    Jam1oz.
    Cheese1oz.
    Pepper1/100oz.
    Maize Meal½oz.

    Weekly—

    Either 8 ozs. salt-cured herrings and 2 ozs. oatmeal; or 4 ozs. salt-cured herrings, 2 ozs. oatmeal and 2½ ozs. broken biscuit.

    When men are not employed on work, the following items of the daily ration will be deducted unless the medical officer advises to the contrary in any particular case—

    Bread4ozs
    Oatmeal or rice1oz.
    Cheese1oz.
    Maize meal½oz.

    27.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War what is the condition, so far as known, of the British prisoners in the hands of the Turks; what facilities are afforded them by the Turks for receiving communications from their friends and relatives in this country and for receiving parcels of comforts or money assistance; are any proceedings being taken with a view to exchange of prisoners with the Turks; and, if so, when is any such arrangement likely to be put into operation?

    In regard to the condition of British prisoners in Turkey, I may say that their treatment by the Turkish authorities would appear to have somewhat improved, if anything, but that they are suffering very considerable hardship owing to the economic conditions prevailing in Turkey.

    There is no limit on the amount of correspondence, parcels, or money which British prisoners of war are allowed by the Turkish authorities to receive, although money is not issued to the prisoners in large amounts at a time, and the delivery of everything sent from this country is subject to the irregularities and delays characteristic of Turkish administration. In regard to the repatriation of prisoners, I would refer the hon. Member to my recent replies on the subject of the ratification of the Berne Agreement by the Turkish Government.

    In view of the terrible privations through which these prisoners are passing, will the hon. Gentleman see if it is possible to take any steps to accelerate the deliveries of parcels sent out to them?

    Every possible step that can be thought of has been taken and is being taken.

    War Speeches To Troops (King's Regulations)

    15.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he is aware that on 19th March last a number of the troops at Blackpool were marched to the Palace Theatre and there compelled to listen to a speech on the War, by an officer in uniform, containing political statements of a controversial and provocative character; and whether this was a violation of King's Regulation 451?

    If my hon. Friend will furnish me with exact information as to the statements which he deems to have been political and of a. controversial and provocative nature, I will consider as to whether or not the provisions of paragraph 451 of the King's Regulations have been violated.

    May I ask whether a speech dealing with the subject of why we entered the War, and why we are still at war, would not come within paragraph 451 of the King's Regulations?

    If someone, not an officer in uniform, went to Blackpool and addressed a meeting on that subject, and soldiers attended, would that come within the Regulation?

    Venereal Disease

    17.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether any of the organisations representing women were consulted before the enactment of the new Regulation 40 d, under the Defence of the Realm Acts, by which women can be arrested for soliciting intercourse with soldiers and sailors while suffering from venereal disease?

    I am informed that it was considered unnecessary to consult women's organisations, as their views are perfectly well known from their attitude towards the similar provision in the Criminal Law Amendment Bill.

    I can add nothing to the answer given by the Home Secretary the other day.

    Munitions

    Military Guard For Works

    19.

    asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether there is a guard at certain munition works of approximately 300 soldiers; and, if so, whether he will explain why these men could not render more effective military service?

    If my hon. Friend will furnish me privately with the name and. location of the munition works to which he refers, I will have the matter inquired into.

    Is not the hon. Gentleman aware that the name of the place was in the original question and was struck out by authority?

    Half-Pay Officers (Reemployment)

    22.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether any list is kept at the War Office of officers placed on half-pay, owing to age or other reasons, who have applied for re-employment; if so, how many names does the list contain; and will he give the name of the special officer to whom the keeping of such list is entrusted or to whom inquiries with a view to re-employment should be addressed?

    The names of all unemployed officers are noted in the Military Secretary's Department. There are many lists arranged in accordance with the rank and qualifications of the officers concerned, but I do not think it is desirable to give a total. Inquiries as to re-employment should be addressed to the Secretary of the War Office,

    Has the hon. Member who put this question retired to safer ground or has he left the Army

    Promotion To Rank Of General

    25.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether the recent Army Order dealing with promotion to general's rank means that hitherto seniority and not selection has been the principle upon which such promotions have been made?

    The Army Order in question refers solely to promotion to the rank of full general, which, apart from special cases of distinguished service in the field, has been governed by seniority. In future all promotions to that rank will be by selection, which has for many years been the sole principle upon which promotions to the ranks of lieutenant-general and major-general and appointments carrying the rank of brigadier-general have been made.

    Officers' Names (Publication)

    28.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he can arrange that officers' names, either in honours or casualties lists, published in the "London Gazette," shall have attached to their name's their locality or residence, in the same way that it is attached to that of the non-commissioned officers' and men's lists, so as to enable persons interested to select the names belonging to particular districts?

    This proposal has already been very carefully considered, but, in view of the fact that the only information readily available in this connection is the address of the next of kin, and as in very many cases this address does not coincide with the locality or residence of the officer concerned, it was regarded as impracticable. I shall be happy to explain to my hon. Friend, if he so wishes, the difficulties which stand in our way.

    Military Offence

    31.

    asked the Under-Secretary of State for War if he will look into the case of Private J. Bartly, now in No. 5 Military Prison, S. 73, A.P.O., France, for a trivial offence; and if he will direct his release?

    If my hon. Friend will furnish me with Private Bartly's regimental number and the name of the unit to which he belongs, I will have inquiries made.

    Army Pay Office, Exeter

    20.

    asked the Undersecretary of State for War whether he is aware that discharged and disabled soldiers employed in the Army Pay Office, Exeter, are receiving only 31s. per week as compared with £2 3s. per week paid to temporary employed clerks who, in a number of cases, have avoided service with combatant units by taking employ- ment in this office; that discharged and disabled soldiers are given no opportunity of reaching the position of supervisor, as these positions are already occupied by young girls of twenty-three years and upwards; and whether he: will take steps to have an inquiry instituted as to the general conditions of employment at the Army Pay Office referred to?

    I am having inquiries made into these allegations, and will inform my hon. and gallant Friend of the result.

    Discharged Soldiers(Messengers)

    32.

    asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether ho is aware that a feeling of dissatisfaction exists among the discharged soldiers who are employed as messengers at Head quarters, Southern Command, Salisbury; that this is due to their exclusion from the recent Grant, under Army Council Instruction No. 247, of 19L8, of 6s. to men and 4s. to women, who were employed as civilian temporary clerks; that the messengers have only had a total war bonus of 7s. per week; and whether, in view of the cost of living, he will grant an increased bonus to the men referred to?

    Inquiry is being made, and I will inform my hon. and gallant Friend of the result.

    Army Chaplains

    33.

    asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office why Territorial Army chaplains, who before the War served their country in the Territorial Force and have served since the out break of the War, are now, when de mobilised, given no gratuity whatever, whereas temporary Army chaplains who entered the Service after the outbreak of War are given a gratuity of sixty days' pay at the end of each year of their service?

    If my hon. and gallant Friend will furnish me with details of the case in question, I will communicate further with him.

    Do I understand that the general statement is as put forward in the question?

    I am not able to give a general ruling on the question, because, as my hon. and gallant Friend knows, it depends upon the circumstances of the demobilisation of the chaplains. I do not know what were the circumstances of demobilisation.

    Royal Defence Corps (Pay)

    34.

    asked the Financial Secretary whether he can now make any statement as to the non-commissioned officers and men of the Royal Defence Corps not receiving the extra pay already paid to other branches of the Army, and can he state if they have now been granted the new rates of pay and from what date it has been effective?

    Warrant officers and non-commissioned officers of the Royal Defence Corps have, by the Royal Warrant published in a special Army Order of 27th March last, been granted the extra 3d. a day for which similar ranks of the Cavalry, Artillery, and Infantry are eligible, with effect from the same date, namely, 29th September, 1917. The privates have throughout been entitled to the higher rate of 1s. 6d. under Army Order 1 of 1918.

    Navy And Army Canteen Board

    35.

    asked the Financial Secretary if the Navy and Army Canteen Board and the Expeditionary Force Canteens are conducted on commercial lines and if profits are made; if so, can he state the amounts made in 1917 or other complete year; can he state in what manner the profits made are allotted and if they are given to any special objects; and, if so, will he state what they are?

    The Navy and Army Canteen Board and the Expeditionary Force Canteens are independent organisations controlled by the Army Council, and are conducted as commercial undertakings on the co-operative system for the benefit of the Navy and the Army; it is understood that profits have been made by both organisations, but no detailed reports have as yet been published. Any profits which may eventually be made will be duly apportioned and handed to the Board of Admiralty, the Army Council, and the Air Council for distribution, as they may direct, for the general benefit of the three Services.

    Naval And Military Pensions And Grants

    40.

    asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office if he will inquire into the case of Private M. Dunne, No. 52215, Northumberland Fusiliers, whose parents in Cooldong, Abbeylara, county Longford, are getting no Government allowance in his respect, only the sum granted out of his pay, and who are both in a very poor state owing to war prices and having no means of support?

    I informed the hon. Member by letter in December last that Mrs. Dunne's claim to separation allowance was disallowed by the old age pension authorities because dependence on the soldier could not be established, but that she might appeal against this finding on a form obtainable at any post office. I will inquire further and communicate with the hon. Member.

    As this case has been under consideration for some considerable time, will the right hon. Gentleman act promptly?

    61.

    asked the Minister of Pensions whether his attention was called on the 5th February last to the case of Lance-corporal J. Laurence, No. G 32185, Middlesex Regiment; if so, whether anything definite has been done in the case and, if not, whether the delay in dealing with it has been caused by the inaction of the local committee; and will he give the name of such committee?

    This is an appeal case in which there has been, as the hon. Member suggests, considerable delay on the part of the local committee whose recommendation it was necessary to obtain. I do not know why it has not been possible for the committee to report earlier, but until this is explained I think it reasonable to assume that there has been some real difficulty. I am informed that the committee's report will be sent to the Ministry either to-day or to-morrow.

    62.

    asked the Minister of Pensions whether his attention has been drawn to the case of J. Ashton, at pre sent an inmate of the Long Grove Mental Hospital, Epsom; whether this man joined the Army in July or August, 1916, and, as a result of his service, is now a lunatic, and that it is proposed that he shall become chargeable to a London parish; and whether it is the practice for men who have become mentally deranged through Army service to be treated as pauper lunatics?

    I cannot at present find any record of this man having served in the Army and consequently no application to have him classified as a service patient has been made. If the hon. Member will give me details of the man's military service, I will see that the matter is fully investigated.

    59.

    asked the Pensions Minister whether he is aware that Mr. E. H. Vant, formerly an officer in the Lincoln Regiment, was taken seriously ill with rheumatic fever on 8th May, 1917, some months after he was gazetted out of the Service; that the War Office authorised his admission to the Royal Herbert Hospital; that, by reason of neglect or carelessness on the part of an official of the Department concerned, this authorisation never reached him; and that, in consequence, he had to pay for his treatment, costing £73, out of his own pocket; and whether, in view of the circumstances, he will take steps, in accordance with a promise made on 18th March, 1918, to have inquiries made with a view to the refunding of this sum to Mr. Vant?

    I have again considered this ease, but I cannot add materially to the reply I gave to the hon. and gallant Member's question of the 18th March. Mr. Vant did not incur medical expenses through any carelessness on the part of the Ministry of Pensions, and as those expenses were in respect of an illness contracted a considerable time after his retirement and not attributable either directly or indirectly to his service, I am not able to authorise any refund.

    From the public point of view, the Minister of Pensions does not say to whom he is to apply in order to get his just dues?

    I understand that treatment was offered by the military authorities, and the application should be made to the military authorities. From the pensions point of view, the illness was not contracted in the Service, and not for a long time afterwards, and the Ministry of Pensions is obviously not responsible.

    Woman Enemy Agent

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware that Madame Marie Edvige de Popowitch, who went to Malta in November, 1915, to aid refugees, is a Serbian lady of a well-known wealthy family, that she came to England in 1916 under promise from the Governor of Malta that she should be well treated, provided with funds, and lodged in a good hotel, but on arrival she was taken to Scotland Yard, then to Holloway Prison, and subsequently interned at Aylesbury, that she was not allowed to communicate with her friends nor consult a lawyer, that she declares that she was vilified by the Assistant Commissioner of Police, that Madame Popowitch has suffered in eyesight and teeth and was not allowed to see oculist or dentist, and that her mental balance after two years of inexplicable persecutions and privations has given way, and she is now insane; and whether he will consider the release of this woman, who has never been charged with any crime?

    This woman went to Malta not to aid refugees, but as a German agent. She was arrested, and sent to England in December, 1915, and was interned here under Defence of the Realm Regulation 14b. She made representations to the Advisory Committee, and was heard by them in person, and the order for her internment was confirmed on their recommendation.

    I have no knowledge as to whether her family is well known or wealthy, or as to the promises alleged to have been given by the Governor of Malta. She was not prevented from communicating with friends or consulting a lawyer, and there is no foundation for her alleged statement with regard to the Assistant-Commissioner of Police. She received all necessary medical attention during her internment. She is now in an asylum and, apart from her present insanity, could not be set at liberty in this country during the War, as she was a very dangerous enemy agent.

    As this woman was so notoriously a criminal, why was she not brought before a Court of law and given amps; fair trial?

    She was heard by the Advisory Committee, which is the authority set up, and that Committee was presided over by a very learned and distinguished judge.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman not realise that it is one thing to be heard in camera without the assistance of a lawyer, and another thing to have a fair legal trial in a court of law?

    Llangadock Camp

    42.

    asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that the men employed at Llangadock Home Office camp have to work six miles from camp, start work at 5.30 a.m., return at 6.30 a.m., and have no meal provided in the thirteen hours; that they have uncooked oats, raw peas, and potatoes given for food and loose tea for drink, but no cooking utensils are provided; that some of the men have had no new clothes or boots for twelve months and have only what they stand up in; that their washing place is the stream at some distance; that the demands of nature have to be performed along hedgerows, which stink and are unhealthy; that men are constantly leaving to be sent to prison, taking that alternative as the only means to preserve life; that no orderlies or workers' committees are permitted as in other work centres, but discipline is enforced by frequent beating by agents and gangers; and whether an independent person, preferably a Member of the House, not member of the Home Office Committee, will be allowed to visit this camp, or whether other independent investigation, other than asking questions by letter from the agent, will be made?

    The suggestions contained in this question are inaccurate from beginning to end. The work places are all within a mile and a half of the camp. Work begins at six-thirty and ceases at five-thirty. There are two five-hour spells, with an interval of one hour for lunch, including a hot drink prepared by orderlies attending for the purpose. All the necessary cooking for the 103 men concerned is done by three cooks. Clothing is issued whenever it is required. There are adequate facilities for washing and bathing, and four latrines for the camp and outyling sleeping places. No man has left for prison this year. Discipline is not enforced by beating. The conditions of the camp are well known at the Home Office. It has been visited by the inspector and members of the Committee and its staff, and I see no ground for further inquiry.

    Is it not a well-known custom and Rule of this House that hon. Members who put down questions have to make themselves responsible for the facts contained in them?

    Does the hon. and gallant Gentleman not know that it is human to err, and that he is just as human as I am?

    Perhaps my hon. Friend will permit me to say that on this occasion it is he and not me who has erred. I have gone into the matter personally, and after most careful inquiry what I have given is my answer.

    Are we to take the answer as meaning that the right hon. Gentleman has himself recently visited this camp? [HON. MEMBERS: "Do not answer…"]

    Enemy Aliens (Migration)

    43.

    asked the Home Secretary if he proposes to take any steps to restrain the migration of aliens and naturalised foreigners from their homes in the East End and other parts of London to neighbourhoods where they think they will enjoy greater security from any possible personal danger; and if he will, under the Defence of the Realm Act, forbid them to move their families and themselves about the country during the War, to the disadvantage of native-born subjects?

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which was given on the 11th instant by my right hon. Friend the President of the Local Government Hoard to the hon. and gallant Member for the Ludlow Division. The inquiries which have been made show that the reports which have appeared in the Press have been much exaggerated, and, as regards some, at all events, of the districts to which there has been migration, that the majority of the migrants are neither aliens nor naturalised persons. I have no power to take the action suggested in the last part of the question.

    If the Home Office has no power, could they not induce the War Office to exercise the powers they have to stop this migration?

    Could the right hon. Gentleman not take the opportunity of running down to Brighton to see the Regulation office?

    Hereditary Privileges And Titles

    45.

    asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware of the feeling in British countries, in France, in the United States, and all democratic countries against hereditary privileges and titles, and that this feeling has found recently strong expression, especially in Canada and the United States; and whether he will introduce legislation to provide for the limitation of peerages and baronetcies to three successive holders?

    Does the right hon. Gentleman not recognise that at this time it is -quite unwise to embark upon a new policy which will cause friction in any part of our Colonies?

    Is it not a new policy to make hereditary titles in families which are exclusively located and domiciled in our Colonies?

    It is not a new policy, but I think I am right in saying that no title of that kind has been conferred except with the knowledge and approval of the Prime Minister of the country concerned.

    Will the Chancellor of the Exchequer consider the advisability of sending the hon. Member for North Somerset to another place?

    46.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the Government has received an intimation from the Government of Canada advising against the creation of hereditary titles in Canada; whether he is aware that in other Dominions objection exists amongst the majority of the people to a system tending to create invidious distinctions in regard to citizens; and whether he will assure the House that the practice of bestowing hereditary titles upon men who are citizens of Dominions shall cease?

    I am in communication with the Canadian Government on the subject, but not with other Dominion Governments. I am not prepared to make any statement on the subject at present.

    Will the hon. Gentleman make representations to the War Cabinet saying that if it is necessary to appeal to a democracy, detriment may be done to the cause by introducing these invidious distinctions?

    I do not know that it is necessary to make such a representation to the War Cabinet.

    House Of Commons (Time Of Adjournment)

    48.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will consider the suggestion that the House should adjourn at ten o'clock instead of eleven each night, having regard to the closing orders and the impossibility of obtaining conveyances to many parts of London and the suburbs when the House adjourns at 11.40, as on the 10th instant?

    Food Supplies

    Potatoes

    50.

    asked the Prime Minister whether in the event of farmers responding to his urgent appeal to increase substantially the acreage under potatoes, he can give some definite assurance that the necessary labour will be available later in the year for lifting and clamping them, and that railway transport will be available to carry them from glutted areas to those where the supplies are inadequate?

    Every possible effort will be made by the Government to secure the result desired by my hon. Friend.

    Game Laws (Scotland)

    63.

    asked the Lord Advocate whether, in view of the shortage of beef and the price of all kinds of fish, steps have been or will be taken to modify the Game Laws, thereby making available for human consumption a larger supply of rabbits, hares, and game?

    A number of Orders have been made by the Board of Agriculture for Scotland under powers contained in the Defence of the Realm Regulations, which Orders, although designed primarily for the protection of crops, have incidentally increased the amount of rabbits, hares, and game available for food. This policy will be continued, and, if necessary, extended.

    County War Executive Committees

    66.

    asked the President of the Hoard of Agriculture by whom the county war executive committees were appointed; and what were the qualifications considered in making the appointments?

    County war agricultural committees were appointed by the county councils at the request of the Board on the recommendation of the Milner Committee in 1915. The object was to constitute a body of agriculturists representing the county council and the principal farmers' organisations in the county. Under the Cultivation of Lands Order, 19th January. 1917, it is provided that each county war agricultural committee should appoint not less than four, and not more than seven, of its members to form an executive committee, and that additional members might be appointed by the Board. Under this Order the original members of the agricultural executive committees were appointed. In selecting additional members the Board have endeavoured to secure that the interests of both owners and cultivators of the land are adequately represented, and that the committees should be composed of the best practical agriculturists in the counties.

    Poultry Food

    65.

    asked the President of the Board of Agriculture whether, in view of the shortage of food for poultry, he will consider the advisability of importing barley from Northern Spain, where a large surplus is reported; and whether he has considered bringing this barley into the Channel ports and conveying it to England in ships now returning in ballast?

    The importation of foreign cereals engages the constant attention of my Department. It appears, however, that even were there barley for export from Spain, shipping would not be available, as no steamers discharging at Spanish ports return to this country in ballast.

    Bacon

    72.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what amount of bacon has recently been landed in Liverpool in excess of the now regulated demand; how much of this has been lost or allowed to become: unfit for human food, and what steps are being taken in. the matter?

    I have been asked to reply. In regulating the demand by fixing the bacon rations it was necessary to consider not only the present rate of importation, but the anticipated rates of the next few months. As is stated in answer to the hon. Member for Longford last Saturday, it is necessary now to place in store as much bacon as is not needed for immediate consumption, so as to cover the requirements of the summer period during which importation is diminished. I am not aware that any bacon has been lost or allowed to become unfit for human food.

    Can the hon. Gentle-man say whether any of this bacon has been allowed to go through to Ireland, where it used formerly entirely to go?

    I should require notice of that question. I could not say whether any recently imported bacon has again found its way to Ireland.

    Will the hon. Gentleman suggest to the Food Controller, now that there is a surplus of American and Canadian bacon in Liverpool and throughout England, that he should take off the restrictions and allow some to be sent to Ireland, and, vice vers â, send from Ireland hams that the people in Great Britain want, and, indeed, take off these restrictions altogether?

    There is only a surplus in the sense that it will be required in the months when we cannot continue to import it. So far as I know, Ireland will have its opportunity of sharing in these quantities like any other part of the United Kingdom.

    Does not the hon. Gentleman consider that these restrictions are an abuse upon trade in general?

    No, Sir; they serve a very useful purpose indeed. We imposed restrictions on the exportation of bacon from Ireland which Ireland wanted. If Ireland now wishes to secure some of the quantities received from foreign countries, that is a matter for arrangement.

    Are there at present cargoes of bacon at Liverpool which are not allowed to be discharged?

    I hope there may be, but I am not quite certain of it. Every step is taken consistent with the available labour and opportunity of discharge to get the bacon out of the boats as quickly as possible into cold storage.

    Has the hon. Gentleman's attention been called to a statement made by a leading official of the Docker's Union calling attention to undischarged cargoes of bacon at Bristol and Liverpool?

    Yes; and if the hon. Member sees the papers this evening he may see some answer to the statement.

    Irish Cattle

    74.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food if he is aware that the price paid for cattle belonging to the Irish farmer is unrestricted and frequently exceeds 100s. a live cwt., whilst the price paid to the British farmer is restricted to 76s. a live cwt.; will he say on what grounds this financial advantage is accorded to Irish farmers; does the British taxpayer pay the difference; and what is the estimated cost to the Treasury for 1918 of this privilege?

    Was not a guarantee given to the wholesale butchers, and has not something like £45,000 a week been paid under that guarantee?

    A considerable sum has been paid. As to the exact sum per week I should require notice.

    Does not it amount to this, that the British farmer as a taxpayer is subsidising his Irish competitor?

    I am not able to argue the matter, but I do not for a moment accept that construction.

    79.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether, in view of the fact that farmers have been asked to produce a maximum amount of beef, and that, owing to the unrestricted prices of cattle in Ireland, the usual number of two and three-year-old store cattle are not coming over from Ireland, he will fix similar prices for cattle in Ireland as in England and Scotland, so that farmers may obtain the raw material for beef production without which a famine in beef in the autumn and winter months is probable?

    It is not practicable to fix maximum prices for live cattle in Ireland, owing to the difficulties involved in setting up a grading system in the markets in that country. Steps are, however, now-being taken to set up at the British ports to which Irish cattle are consigned the necessary machinery for their grading and allocation. When this system is fully operative, prices for fat cattle in Ireland should fall automatically to the level of the controlled prices in Great Britain, and the price of store cattle should be correspondingly reduced.

    Does the hon. Gentleman mean in this answer that the prices fixed by the Food Controller for bacon and butter will not apply to England any more than to Ireland?

    No; that is a different matter altogether untouched either by question or answer.

    To what Minister is the duty entrusted of fixing the price of cattle in Ireland?

    The price of cattle is fixed by the Food Controller both in the case of Ireland and of this country.

    Would it not be far better to raise the price of English cattle as well as Irish? You are afraid to do it.

    Is it not the general producers you have to consider rather than the Irish Members in this House?

    We have taken action on the line which alone considers the mass of the consumers.

    Home-Produced Meat (Derbyshire)

    75.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether the county of Derbyshire is limited to its own area for its supply of home-produced meat; whether he is aware that the county has a large industrial population engaged in coal mining and the icon, steel, and textile industries; that the system of agriculture is mainly that of dairying, with littlemeat or corn production; and that the county formerly depended on the neighbouring counties of Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, and Lincolnshire for its meat supplies; and whether he can organise the various supplies of the province of which Derbyshire is a part as a whole, so that a fair share of the fresh meat supplies of the province may be allocated to Derbyshire?

    Under the present scheme for the distribution of livestock Derbyshire is limited to its own livestock area for its supplies of home-produced meat but as this area includes the adjacent counties of Lincolnshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire. Nottinghamshire, and Rutlandshire, the latter part of the question does not arise. I may, however, state that both the Derby butchers and the local food control committees express themselves satisfied with the arrangements made.

    Tuberculosis Confiscations

    77.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food under what conditions compensation is granted for tuberculosis confiscations; and out of what fund the money is provided and the amount already paid?

    Compensation is now paid in respect of all cattle condemned as suffering from tuberculosis, except in the case of cattle placed by grading committees in the fourth grade. All claims for such compensation must be accompanied by certificates from the chairman, or deputy-chairman of auctioneers at the grading market, and the inspector by whom the meat was actually condemned. Payments are made from the Central Live Stock Fund. The amount paid to 15th April, 1918, was £5,470.

    Perishable Food

    78.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether traders have frequently been left with a considerable surplus of perishable food which has gone to loss; and will he say if any compensation is provided by the Government or are any steps about to be taken in the matter?

    I have no information to support the suggestion made in the first part of the question, and I know no reason why traders should suffer a loss on the-grounds alleged. If the hon. Member refers to the possibility that traders may find themselves unable to dispose of stocks of rationed foods of a perishable nature, I may point out that food control committees have power to grant strictly temporary licences to traders to sell such foods-without coupons where it is clear that it might otherwise be wasted. It is essential, however, that such licences should not be granted regularly, and it is the business of traders to adjust their supplies to their rationed demands.

    Will the hon. Gentleman call upon the food committee for a Report in this connection, and I think he will discover that a great deal of food has perished in this way?

    The committee are not slow to report any of these things without asking for information.

    Royal Air Force

    Service Overseas

    54.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will cause a Return to be issued without delay giving the number of officers and men up to the age of forty years, fit for service overseas, who are employed in the various Departments of the Admiralty, War Office, Royal Air Force, Ministry of Munitions, Ministry of National Service, Food Ministry, and the Civil Service; and whether instructions will be forthwith issued to the majority of these officers and men to proceed abroad and their positions refilled by those who have been wounded or are unfit for general service?

    Steps are being taken to prepare a Return from such information as is available. But I fear that no Return of this nature could be complete or more than approximately accurate.

    I beg to give notice that I shall put the question down in a fortnight's time.

    Old Age Pensions

    55.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that in existing circumstances more than the usual time is taken in verifying claims for old age pensions, with the result that where a person is in receipt of benefit under the National Insurance Act the benefit ceases when the age of seventy is reached, but weeks elapse before the old age pension becomes payable; and whether, in view of the hardship caused, the pension could be made payable either from the time the applicant reached the age of seventy years or from the date of the application?

    I am not aware that in existing circumstances more than the usual time is taken in investigating claims for old age pensions. A claimant may by law prefer his claim at any time within four months in advance of the date of his fulfilling the statutory conditions for a pension, and unless he does prefer his claim in advance of that date the pension cannot under the law be made payable from that date. If the right hon. Member is aware of any case in which an eligible claimant has preferred a claim four months in advance of the date of fulfilling the statutory conditions, and yet has not obtained payment of the pension as from that date, I should be glad if he would furnish me with the particulars, so that I may have inquiry made into the matter.

    Is it possible for intending applicants to give notice some time before, so that their cases may be dealt with. Many complaints are made.

    Ministry Of Munitions

    Excessive Payments

    56.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether irregular and excessive payments have been made for account of the Ministry of Munitions-and audited by the Comptroller and Auditor-General; and when such statement of accounts will be obtainable by-Members of this House?

    The Report referred to of the Comptroller and Auditor-General has already been presented to Parliament, and will in due course come before the Public Accounts Committee.

    Is the right lion. Gentleman aware that there are many chartered accountants now occupying unimportant positions in the Army who could render most valuable service to the Ministry of Munitions, and will he have that looked into, so that large sums of public money may be saved?

    That Department like all other Departments, has tried to get the services of those best suited to give them help. The matter will be brought before the notice of the Ministry of Munitions.

    Is it not the case that this. Report has recently come into the possession of the Vote Office, and will the right hon. Gentleman state that the House shall have an opportunity of discussing this most amazing and grave Report?