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Royal Navy

Volume 155: debated on Thursday 15 June 1922

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Retired Officers (Deputation)


asked the Prime Minister if he can fix a date for receiving the deputation of the retired naval officers?

If convenient to my hon. and gallant Friend and the representatives of the naval officers, I will receive this deputation at 10, Downing Street on Wednesday next at 5 p.m.



asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty if he is aware that the post-war establishment of lieutenants promoted by examination from gunners is 4 per cent. of the whole number or 40; that there are at this moment only six such lieutenants; that there are therefore 34 such lieutenants too few instead of surplus; and the full allowance of 40 cannot be reached for many years; and if he will reconsider the compulsory retirement of these officers?

It has never been in contemplation to lay down a separate establishment for lieutenants promoted from commissioned gunner after examination, the Regulations providing only that, as a general rule, one-half the number of promotions will be confined to these officers. No specific posts will be laid down for them, and no question can arise, therefore, of there being a surplus or deficiency, apart from any surplus or deficiency in the total numbers allowed. The Admiralty, moreover, upon general grounds, do not think it desirable to make a distinction between these officers and lieutenants promoted for long and zealous service in applying the conditions of the special retirement scheme, and, having regard to all the circumstances, they are unable to make an exception to those conditions in this case.

Royal Dockyardsmen (War Enlistment)


asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty if he is aware that there are men who entered a dockyard after War broke out and who, in view of the dockyard announcement that their civil pay, less Army pay, would be given them if they enlisted, did so enlist, and that with permission, and are now told that the official promise does not apply to them; and if he will inquire into this matter and have it put right?

The promise referred to by my hon. and gallant Friend was intended to apply to the men who were already serving in the dockyard before the War, and was meant for the benefit of their families while they were absent with the Army. An order was issued on 24th July, 1915, that in no case was civil pay to be granted to persons appointed since the outbreak of War to non-established positions. It may, therefore, reasonably be assumed that all those to whom the promise applied reaped the benefit of it, but if my hon. and gallant Friend knows of any cases to the contrary, I shall be glad to have the claims examined.