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Commons Chamber

Volume 233: debated on Tuesday 24 December 1929

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House Of Commons

Tuesday, 24th December, 1929.

The House met at Eleven of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Private Business

Ministry of Health Provisional Order Confirmation (Sheppey Water) Bill [ Lords],

Read the Third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Coquet Fisheries Provisional Order Bill

"to confirm a Provisional Older under the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act, 1923, relating to the River Coquet," presented by Mr. Noel Buxton; read the First time; and referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, and to be printed. [Bill 108.]

Oral Answers To Questions

British Army (Garrisons, Malta And Gibraltar)

1.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether any reduction in the garrisons of either Malta or Gibraltar is contemplated?

No reduction in the military garrison of Malta or Gibraltar is contemplated.

Scotland

Potato Industry

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is now in a position to state his proposals for assisting potato growers in Scotland?

I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. and learned Member for East Fife (Mr. Millar) on the 17th December. I am not in a position to make any further statement at present.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say if he will be able to make a definite pronouncement after the Recess in regard to this very important question?

Have the Secretary of State for Scotland or his Department considered the question of using surplus potatoes for the purpose of producing potato spirit, as they do in Germany?

Cannot we have an answer from the right hon. Gentleman to my hon. and gallant Friend's question as to whether he is going to make a definite pronouncement after the Christmas Recess? It is an elementary question.

I have already replied to the question, that I will give an answer as quickly as I can.

Blind Pensions (Withdrawal, Shetland)

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, having regard to the fact that 13 persons belonging to Vidlin, Shetland, who have enjoyed blind pensions for a number of years, have recently been deprived of them on the ground of not being so blind as to be unable to perform any work for which eyesight is essential, he is satisfied with the method under which these pensions were first awarded and with the manner in which they have been withdrawn; and if he proposes to make any change in the system of awarding blind pensions?

Until recently the Department of Health for Scotland were of opinion that the very heavy expense of sending fully qualified experts to Shetland was not necessary, and that blind pensions could safely be awarded on the advice of medical officers who were not specialists. The results of the visits by specialists to Shetland, and also to the Western Isles show that expert examination is necessary in certain cases. As regards the second part of the question, I am satisfied that every consideration was shown to the pensioners, and that the benefit of the doubt was awarded in borderline cases. As regards the last part, the Department are of opinion that, save in cases of total blindness, pension should not as a rule be awarded in future except on the advice of an eye expert, and I am consulting the other authorities involved with a view to arrangements being made towards this end.

Does the right hon. Gentleman understand what a serious thing it is to withdraw a blind pension that has been enjoyed for six or seven years, and will he take steps to see that in future blind pensions are awarded to people whose blindness prevents them from carrying on the ordinary affairs of life?

I am well aware of the seriousness of withdrawing a pension once it is granted, but I would suggest to the hon. Member that I would have been no party to withdrawing any pension unless there was good ground for doing so. I have already said, in reply to the main question, that so far as the future is concerned every possible care will be taken.

Will these people from whom pensions have been withdrawn have the right of an appeal, because it is obvious that there is a difference of opinion with regard to some of these cases?

If there are any of the cases that think they have been hardly treated, I am quite prepared to accept representations from them.

Does the right hon. Gentleman think it fair to ask the local people to judge in such cases?

So far as I am personally concerned, I was not responsible for that arrangement.

Does the right hon. Gentleman take the attitude that it requires a specialist to decide whether a man can see or not?

There are certain cases where I think my hon. Friend will admit that it would require a specialist to judge.

Fishing Industry

7.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware of the difficulty which fishermen now have in replacing worn-out drifters; and if he will state what proposals, if any, he has for assisting them out of that difficulty?

As indicated in my reply to the hon. and gallant Member for Banff (Major Wood) on the 17th December, I have had no representations from fishermen requesting assistance for replacing worn-out drifters. At the same time, I am aware that fishermen will have to face the question at some future time and I have been investigating the possibilities of a new type of boat which could be built and run at a lower cost than the types now in use.

Is the right hon. Gentleman investigating the question of the necessary credit for the replacement of these boats, as well as the question of a new type of boats, and is he inquiring into that question of credit on a different basis from that suggested by the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland the other day in his speech at Aberdeen?

Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the latter part of that supplementary question?

Will the right hon. Gentleman assure this House that in any such arrangement made for the fishermen of Scotland the point of view expressed by the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland that party politics should come in will not be the point of view of the right hon. Gentleman? [HON. MEMBERS: "Answer!"] In view of the very strange speech of the Under-Secretary at Aberdeen last Thursday, surely we are entitled to have from the Government an assurance that party politics will not come into the matter?

That supplementary question has nothing to do with the question on the Paper.

On a point of Order. Surely I am entitled to ask for an assurance, seeing that the Under-Secretary is a Member of the Government and has made a speech in Aberdeen suggesting that fishermen who do not vote Labour are not entitled to make applications?

Further to that point of Order. Surely, I am entitled to your protection in this matter. Here is a very serious statement made by a Minister in the country. We have his Chief here now, and surely the House is entitled to an assurance on this matter.

With all respect, it is precisely about these matters that the speech was made. It was made about arrangements for credit and applications made for the aid of distressed fishermen, and surely we are entitled to use this House at Question Time to elicit from the Secretary of State for Scotland an assurance that party politics will not be considered by the Government in this matter.

May I suggest that the Under-Secretary should make a personal explanation after questions?

10.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that at the outbreak of the War steam drifters which were commandeered by the Government were commandeered with their nets and gear; that while the fishermen were paid only 30s. for their nets they had to re-equip themselves at about £9 per net; and whether the Government has taken these facts into consideration in refusing the fishermen's request for a Government contribution to the relief fund?

I am unable to answer the first two parts of the question without further time for inquiry, but I am doubtful whether the statements are wholly accurate and they do not appear to me to be relevant to the subject of the recent disaster off the East Anglian Coast. I refer to my answer yesterday to a question by the hon. and gallant Member for Caithness and Sutherland (Sir A. Sinclair) as regards the assistance which the Government are prepared to offer in connection with the losses suffered in that disaster.

Does the right hon. Gentleman consider that, if these facts are only partially true, it shows that there is a real obli- gation on the part of the Government to come to the assistance of these fishermen; and will he inquire how much truth there is in it, because it will be a great surprise to me if it is not true, as I have had it on first hand authority?

These are questions which require careful inquiry. As to the second part of the supplementary question, I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to my reply to the hon. and gallant Member for Caithness in which I stated the assistance which the Government are prepared to give.

Has the Secretary of State and his Department come to any definition as to what is the exact amount of money when the sum is mentioned as being "about £9"?

School-Leaving Age (Maintenance Allowances)

The following Question stood on the Order Paper in the name of Sir FREDERICK THOMSON:

8. To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he can make a statement as to maintenance grants in connection with raising the school age in Scotland?

The right hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for Scotland made a somewhat meagre statement on this subject yesterday, and perhaps he will amplify it to-day?

I would refer the hon. and learned Member to the answer which I gave yesterday in reply to questions by the hon. Members for Leith (Mr. E. Brown) and for Lanark (Mr. Dickson).

Local Government Franchise, Glasgow

9.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that many young men and women residing with their parents have a parliamentary vote but do not possess the right to vote in local Government elections, owing to the practice of only allowing one municipal lodger vote where the rent of a house is under £20; and can he state approximately the number of parliamentary voters in Glasgow who do not possess the right to vote in town council elections?

I am aware that the statutory qualification for the lodgers franchise, which requires that the lodgings shall be of a yearly value, if let unfurnished, of not less than £10, will in certain circumstances have the effect suggested in the first part of the question. The estimated number of parliamentary voters in Glasgow who possess no municipal vote is 100,000.

Emigration

30.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the number of emigrants from Scotland during the past six months, indicating the chief countries to which they have gone, whether within or without the Empire?

As the answer contains a number of figures, I will with the hon. and gallant Member's permission circulate a table in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the answer:

The following table shows the numbers of British subjects who were recorded as leaving permanent residence in Scotland to take up permanent residence in the countries specified during the six months ended 30th November, 1929.

Country of future permanent residence.Number of British emigrants from Scotland.
British North America9,392
Australia1,706
New Zealand473
British South Africa452
India (including Ceylon)801
Other parts of the British Empire (outside Europe)478
Total British Empire13,302
United States7,986
Other foreign countries (outside Europe)431
Total foreign countries8,417
Total21,719

Unemployment

Southwark

12.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has now sanctioned any work for the relief of unemployment this winter in the borough of Southwark; and will he give particulars?

I have nothing to add to the reply given to my hon. Friend on the 10th December.

Work And Development Schemes (Loans And Grants)

13.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the sum total of Government expenditure that he has sanctioned by way of grants of all kinds to assist schemes to provide work for the unemployed since 3rd June, 1929; and what is the total increase in the number of unemployed persons during the same period?

As regards the first part of the question, I propose to issue a further statement amplifying the White Paper recently issued, at a convenient date after the re-assembly of the House. As regards the second part of the question, the increase in the number of unemployed persons registered at Employment Exchanges within the period named was 203,575.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman how long he thinks that it is going to take him to solve the unemployment problem at that rate of progress?

Do the Government intend to fix any time limit for grants, and is there any likelihood of an increased percentage of grants in the near future?

Is the right hon. Gentleman receiving co-operation from the local authorities or otherwise in connection with the men who have been transferred from other areas?

May I ask you, Mr. Speaker, if you will kindly allow my question to be answered for the guidance of local authorities?

Would it not be possible for the right hon. Gentleman to issue the Paper before the re-assembly of the House, so as to give us an opportunity of examining it?

Certainly we will consider that, but the difficulty is that the White Paper issued was limited to schemes under the Development Act. I propose to issue a statement setting out the other particulars.

In that same White Paper, will the right hon. Gentleman kindly revise the statements which were made concerning my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition and his pledges with regard to unemployment?

I am quite willing, if the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition puts a question to me, to answer it.

Will the right hon. Gentleman say in his White Paper how he justifies the statement which he made in his speech last week that there is a loss from £2,000,000 to £8,000,000 in overseas trade by the disuse of 22 trade Commissioners?

The question was: Is there a time limit? No. We do all that we can to encourage local authorities to send in their schemes. With regard to the latter part of the question, I cannot conceive of any circumstances that will warrant an alteration in the terms. It is true that certain municipalities are hanging back with a view to that, and it is fair that they should know that I do not contemplate altering the terms.

15.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has any additional statement to make since the publication of Command Paper 3449?

I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the reply given to-day to the hon. Member for Colchester (Mr. O. Lewis).

Cannot the Lord Privy Seal really tell the country in round figures what is the sum total in- volved in all his schemes, for it is very important; further, is it not a fact that it is the duty of this House to keep a careful watch on public expenditure?

I know that it is the duty of the House to keep a watch on public expenditure, and I have indicated that repeatedly. With regard to the other part of the question, I would welcome being able to do it, but the House must know that no Government Department could possibly have at its disposal the precise day or the number of men employed by all the authorities in the country. It is impossible to get that figure.

Women

14.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what steps he has taken to provide work for unemployed women, and with what result?

I have nothing to add to the reply which I gave to the right hon. Member for West Woolwich (Sir K. Wood) on the 26th November, of which I will send the hon. and gallant Member a copy.

Southern Heights Railway Company

16.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has received an application for assistance from the Southern Heights Railway Company; if so, what is the amount of money or credit required; and how many man years are involved?

No formal application for assistance under Part I of the Development (Loan Guarantees and Grants) Act, 1929, has been received from the Southern Heights Railway.

Harbour Improvement Schemes (Ardrossan)

63.

asked the Minister of Transport whether his attention has been called to the scheme under consideration by the port authority at Ardrossan for improvements to present facilities and their extension; and whether, seeing that the estimated cost of the total is about £90,000, the Government proposes, in view of the measures for relief of unemployment, to give any assistance towards carrying out the work?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. No application in regard to the particular scheme to which the hon. Member appears to refer has yet been made so far as I am aware. It would be open to the Ardrossan Harbour Company to apply for assistance under Part I of the Development (Loan Guarantees and Grants) Act, 1929, and any such application would receive the careful consideration of the Committee, though I cannot anticipate their, decision.

Is the Minister not aware that the terms offered to port authorities to carry out such schemes are not sufficiently attractive to encourage them to proceed with these schemes; and, in view of the fact that there are many such schemes waiting, will he consider whether rather better terms could be offered, in order to get men to work on such schemes?

For the purpose of this Act the Government have appointed an Advisory Committee, and the principal responsibility as to the terms offered must rest upon that Committee. There are limits to the extent to which Ministers can go in interfering with the discretion of such a Committee.

Benefit

66.

asked the Minister of Labour whether the cases of those unemployed persons who have been disqualified from receipt of benefit as not genuinely seeking work will be at once reviewed if the Insurance Bill passes into law in its present form?

Yes, Sir, so far as the persons concerned have kept their names on the registers, or make fresh claims.

Trade Dispute, Bradford

(by Private Notice) asked the Minister of Labour whether she is aware that a number of wool textile operatives, until recently employed by Messrs. G. Lund and Sons, worsted spinners of Bolton Woods, Bradford, who left their employment because they refused to accept a reduction of wages, were given their Unemployment Insurance Books and National Health Insurance cards marked in the spaces for 2nd and 9th December, with the word "strike" in red ink, thereby rendering it practically impossible for them to get work elsewhere; whether this is not a serious breach of the Collection of Contributions Regulations, 1920 (S.R.O. 1920 No. 2014 as amended by S.R.O. 1925 No. 975) and if on being satisfied as to the facts she will take such steps as may be necessary to rectify this breach of the law?

I will make inquiry at once into the cases mentioned. If the facts are as stated, there would be a clear infringement of the Regulations.

What does the right hon. Lady intend doing with the person who made such a blunder?

Enemy Debts Department

17.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what has been the approximate total cost to date since it was set up, of running the Clearing House for Enemy Debts, and its various branches in England and abroad; and will he state whether the whole of that cost has been defrayed by way of deductions from the disbursements upon accepted and approved claims by British nationals?

The total cost of the Clearing Office to date is approximately £2,420,000. The whole of this cost has been covered by commissions charged on the sums paid to British nationals in respect of admitted claims and on the proceeds of ex-enemy property realised.

Have any of these commissions been shared with any of the people who were representing claimants?

22.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will arrange for the staff of the Clearing Office for Enemy Debts in London and its branches to be reduced by at least 50 persons after the next payment of dividend by the Anglo-Hungarian Debts Branch?

No special staff is retained for the payment of such dividends which is done by a small section temporarily reinforced from other parts of the Clearing Office. Reductions in the staff of the Office considered as a whole are effected as the state of the work permits; in fact the staff has been reduced by 66 since 1st June last and further reductions are imminent.

Mercantile Marine

Hatchway Covers

18.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his experts consider that the use of loose wooden covers and tarpaulins as covers of hatchways in cargo vessels endanger the safety of the vessels in heavy weather; and, if such is the case, will he take steps to compel the use of watertight steel hatchway covers?

I am advised that wooden hatch covers of sufficient strength and properly fitted and secured are quite safe.

Apart from tankers, in which the hatches are small, there is very little experience of the use of steel hatchway covers. They are known to have certain disadvantages, and their compulsory use could not wisely be required.

Health Conditions

21.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if the committee set up by his predecessor a year ago to advise the Board of Trade and the Ministry of Health on matters affecting the health of the mercantile marine has yet reported; whether the report will be published; and what action has been, or will be, taken to improve the conditions affecting the health of the crews and passengers concerned?

As the answer is a long one, I will, with the hon. and gallant Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPOET.

May we take it that the matter is really in hand now, and that an improvement is being made?

Without replying to the last specific point, I think the hon. and gallant Member will find a great deal of encouragement in the account of what is being done in this long reply.

Following is the answer:

The committee to which the hon. Member refers was set up to consider and advise on any questions affecting the health of the Mercantile Marine which the Board of Trade or the Ministry of Health might from time to time refer to them. The committee's advice on the various questions referred to it is submitted to the Departments as its consideration of each subject is completed and no general report is published. The subjects with which the committee has already dealt include the Ship Captain's Medical Guide which has been revised and issued, the Scales of Medicines and Medical Instruments and Stores for ships which do not carry surgeons, which also have been revised and issued, and the preparation of a code for facilitating medical consultation at sea by wireless telegraphy. This has been completed and forwarded to the International Code of Signals Committee. The subjects at present under consideration include an investigation of the statistics relating to the mortality of seamen and the hygiene of crew spaces on board ship.

Life-Saving Apparatus

26.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what report has been made by the deputy chief inspector of lifeboats as to the use of the Schermulz pistol-rocket apparatus; whether further experiment is being made as to any advantages the Schermulz pistol possesses for the firing of a stronger rope-line for the saving of life at sea?

The deputy chief inspector of lifeboats is an officer not of the Board of Trade, but of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution, and I cannot say what report he may have made to the Institution on the subject of line-throwing appliances, or what experiments are being made by the Institution on this subject. In pursuance of the Rules made under the provisions of the Merchant Shipping (Line-Throwing Appliance) Act, 1928, the Board of Trade have tested and approved the Schermulz and other line-throwing apparatus for use in sea-going ships, but it would be improper for me to express opinions as to the comparative merits of particular devices.

Trade And Commerce

Tariff Truce (Conference)

19.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he has received a communication from the Associations of British Chambers of Commerce protesting against the proposed tariff truce on the grounds that it would stabilise the handicaps under which British industry labours; and, if so, if he will undertake to have this view carefully examined before any such convention is signed?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As I have already explained to the association, however, the proposed tariff truce does not involve the stabilisation of existing duties, but contemplates that during the period of the truce these shall be treated as a maximum without prejudice to any action that may be taken for their reduction.

Has the right hon. Gentleman any proof that his suggestion, good as it may be, has been received with any favour by those countries which are now continuously raising their tariffs against us?

The difficulties are very great indeed, but I still think that it is well worth while making this effort, and I have every reason to believe that from a very fair number of countries there will be at least a sympathetic response to the request that a conference of this kind should be held.

I am not contesting the view of the right hon. Gentleman, but has he made representations with any result, to those countries that are continuously putting their tariffs up against us that they should, at any rate, stop until we have this consultation?

In reply to recent questions in the House, I have informed hon. Members that, in cases where tariffs have been raised, the very fullest representations have been made.

There is a question dealing with that point a little later on the Paper.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take into very careful consideration representations made toy bodies such as the one I have mentioned, representing as they do trade and industry all over the country?

Yes; the House knows that I have received a very large number of representations, and I can say with a fair measure of truth that I read them all very carefully.

46.

asked the Prime Minister, in view of the fact that India, Australia and South Africa have refused to take part in the Tariff Truce-Conference at Geneva, whether the Government will endeavour to postpone the consideration of those proposals until after the Imperial Conference has been held?

I have been asked to-take this question. The answer is that His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom are not prepared to adopt the-suggestion of the hon. and gallant Member.

Is it true, as stated in the question, that India, Australia, and South Africa have refused to taker part in the Conference?

In view of the great importance of co-operating with the Dominions and India in order to-develop the trade of the Empire, and particularly in view of the coming Economic Conference, does the right hon. Gentleman not consider it advisable for the Empire as a whole to enter into this, truce or not at all?

We shall do everything in our power to encourage Empire trade, but it would be quite impossible to hold up a conference of this kind merely because one or two refusals have been received.

Would it not be possible in that case to expedite the Imperial Economic Conference, seeing that we are initiating these proceedings which are intended to lead up to a truce?

Are we to understand that no consultation took place with the Dominions before the Government proposed this tariff truce?

I think the Noble Lord would be in error in taking that view, but I would much rather questions on that point were directed to the Dominions Office.

Will the Government. see that this question comes before Parliament in the form of a Resolution before confirming anything done at the Tariff Truce Conference?

As I have already indicated, if any kind of agreement is reached that would form the basis of a Convention, there will be abundant opportunity for discussion before ratification by this Chamber.

Imports (Wages)

20.

asked the President of the Board of Trade in what imported articles it is usual to require a certificate that they are produced by workers earning trade union rates of wages?

No such certificates are required on the importation of any articles into this country.

Is not any sort of certificate required in the case of imported doors?

Not to my knowledge. It may be that the hon. and gallant Member is referring to what may be required under Clauses in the Fair Wages Clauses Act. According to the information at my disposal, no certificate of this kind is required in the case of any goods reaching this country.

Merchandise Marks Act (Prosecution, Tower Bridge)

25.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if his attention has been drawn to the conviction, under the Merchandise Marks Acts, 1926, with reference to woven wire at Tower Bridge Police Court on 18th December; if he is aware that this was a private prosecution after the Board of Trade had refused to prose- cute; and if he will undertake in future that the Board will insist that the provisions of this Act are obeyed?

I have seen a report of this case in which the summons t was dismissed on payment of costs. Certain evidence was submitted to the Board 3 of Trade, but they were advised that it was not sufficient to justify them in taking proceedings. I cannot admit the im— plication in the last part of the question s that the Board have failed to take any steps which it was their duty to take.

Potatoes (Imports And Exports)

29.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the total value and 5 tonnage of potatoes imported into Great Britain in the period 1st January, 1929, to 1st July, 1929, and the value and tonnage of seed potatoes exported to Spain for the period between 1st July, 1928, and 30th June, 1929?

The total imports of potatoes into Great Britain and Northern Ireland registered daring the period from 1st January to 30th June, 1929, amounted to 179,100 tons, of a declared value of £2,471,800. The exports of potatoes, the produce of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland, registered as consigned to Spain during the period from 1st July, 1928, to 30th June, 1929, amounted to 29,400 tons, valued at £136,800. Separate particulars in respect of seed potatoes are not available from the official trade records.

May I ask whether the figures of imports cover the potatoes of the Channel Islands?

I am afraid that point does not arise out of this question. If my hon. Friend will put his question down I will give him the information.

Argentina

31.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the text of the de claration of Government policy which is to be made to the Argentine Government, especially in respect of any restriction of any kind, except as affects disease, on the importation of foreign food stuffs into this country?

Discussions with the Argentine Government are still proceeding, and I am not yet in a position to make a statement on the subject.

May I ask whether, before a declaration of British policy is made, an opportunity will be given to this House of expressing an opinion, especially in view of the Imperial Economic Conference?

I am quite sure that that point really does not arise, because the only declaration of policy in this case would be one to the effect that we do not propose to put taxes on imported foodstuffs in this country, and that, I imagine, does not require any discussion in this House, since I understand it is not proposed by any political party.

May I ask whether the declaration, according to the words of the British Ambassador, does not also include an inhibition of any restrictions of any kind?

There is certainly a reference to that. I could not to-day go into details, but, broadly, the declaration is one in the sense I indicated in reply to the first supplementary question.

May we understand that there is nothing in this declaration which would prevent this country placing under national control its imports of wheat and meat?

That raises a much larger issue, of which I should require notice, but I can say this, that there is nothing in this declaration or in what is proposed which, in my view, prevents this House or this country taking action in any direction it chooses.

Export Credits (Poland)

43.

asked the Secretary to the Overseas Trade Department how many guarantees under the export credit scheme have been given in the case of exports to Poland during this year; and the liability of the British Government under these guarantees?

Seventy-three contracts of a face value of £127,517, in respect of exports to Poland, were entered into under the exports credits guarantee scheme between the 1st January and the 21st December. The Department's maximum liability under these contracts amounts to £74,316.

In view of the treatment which British traders have received recently in Poland, will the hon. Gentleman take steps to see that those credits are discontinued for the present?

I have no doubt that the facts referred to are known to the authorities and will be borne in mind when they are considering these matters.

Consumers' Council

23.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what progress he has made in arranging for the establishment of a Consumers' Council; when he proposes to ask Parliament to confer special powers on that body; and whether he has any evidence of profiteering in food?

As regards the first two parts of the question, I can add nothing to the statements I have previously made in the House. As regards the third part, I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the reports which have been made from time to time by the Food Council.

May I ask whether it has been decided that the Consumers' Council should deal with commodities other than food?

Yes, I gave a reply some days ago in which I clearly indicated that this Council would cover the necessaries of life, that is, articles other than food.

In view of the suggestions that have been made that this Conncil should cover the retail sale of coal, will the right hon. Gentleman publish his proposals before we get into Committee on the Coal Bill?

I could not possibly give any pledge of that kind this afternoon, but I can assure the House that details will be available from the Amendments well in advance of any discussion.

Wheat And Flour Prices

24.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the present price of English wheat per hundredweight paid to the producer and the present price of flour per hundredweight charged to the consumer in Britain?

The average price of British wheat ruling in the week ended 14th December, as reported by the Inspectors of Corn Returns, was 9s. 6d. per hundredweight; the London price of straight-run flour delivered to bakers, as recorded for 16th December in the London Corn Circular was 38s. 6d. per sack of 280 lbs. (equivalent to 15s. 5d. per hundredweight). The quotations for important provincial centres given in. the issue of "Milling" for 14th December are: Liverpool, 37s.-38s. ex mill; Bristol, 41s.-42s. delivered; Norwich, 41s.; Hull, 38s.-39s.; Newcastle-on-Tyne, 40s.-40s. 6d.; Glasgow, 40s. average price ex quay or store; South Wales, 41s. 6d.-42s. The London prices quoted in this journal were 41s. for town straights and 33s. 6d.-34s. 6d. for country straights, including delivery in each case.

Afforestation

32.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade, as representing the Forestry Commissioners, whether the Forestry Commission is prepared to obtain from the Government powers to enable the Commissioners to enter into negotiations with the commoners of the commons in Wales with a view to getting their agreement to planting certain tracts of these large areas at present lying almost derelict?

The Commissioners already have the powers referred to.

33.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade, as representing the Forestry Commissioners, the probable scope for unemployment, the acreage, and the cost of the afforestation scheme in the Bewcastle district?

On the Forestry Commission's Kershope and Neweastleton areas 407 acres are being planted this season. The expenditure on the two areas is estimated at £3,300, the greater part of which will be paid in wages and thus provide employment.

34.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade, as representing the Forestry Commissioners, if he will state the amount of grants given for clearing scrub and undergrowth preparatory to planting in the years 1927 and 1928, respectively; and whether these grants represent the maximum allowed to be paid in each case?

In 1927 scrub clearing grants amounting to £721 were made in respect of 625 acres, the exceptional maximum of £2 per acre being given in respect of 121 acres. In 1928 such grants amounted to £342 for 283 acres, the maximum being given in respect of 59.

Will the hon. Gentleman state whether the full amount of the grant sanctioned by this House has been expended?

I should want notice of that question. Generally speaking, I think we do approximate to our estimates.

Post Office

Air-Post Stamps

35.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he has considered the adoption of distinctive air-post stamps for letters despatched by air mail from Great Britain; and whether any decision has been arrived at in this matter?

I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to a similar question by the hon. Member for the Macclesfield Division (Mr. Remer) on 12th November. I have considered the adoption of a distinctive air-mail stamp, and in view of the inherent objections I have decided against its introduction.

Can the Parliamentary Secretary say how it is that the Dominions are able to adopt an air mail stamp, and why it is not possible in this country?

The hon. Member is mistaken; not all the Dominions have adopted the air mail stamp, and the reports which we have investigated do not encourage us to repeat the experiment.

Braille

36.

asked the Postmaster-General whether, in view of the cost of postage on paper used by blind persons for writing in Braille and of the poor circumstances of the majority of blind persons, he will consider the introduction of legislation to amend the Post Office Act in order to enable this paper to be carried by parcel post at a special rate corresponding to the special rate now charged for paper already impressed with Braille type?

I regret that I cannot see my way to introduce legislation on the lines suggested.

Will the hon. Member receive representations on this subject from those interested in the blind?

We have received representations from the National Institute, and I should be very glad to consider any further suggestions that they may make.

Telephone Facilities (Rural Areas)

39.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is continuing the policy announced in the last Budget of increasing telephone facilities in rural areas; and how many new public call-offices have been established in villages and at rural railway stations in Devonshire since that date, and how many he expects to establish in the next six months?

An active policy of increasing telephone facilities in rural areas is being followed. Since April last, 76 call offices have been opened at post offices and railway stations in Devonshire, and 34 more have been authorised but not yet opened. Other cases are under consideration.

I am afraid I could not give a reply with regard to rural exchanges without notice.

London Telephone Directory

40.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he has received a petition from a number of in- dustrial establishments in West Drayton and Yiewsley asking that names of telephone subscribers in that area be included in the London Telephone Directory; and whether, in view of the fact that names of subscribers in places further from the centre of London than West Drayton are already so included, he will take steps to have subscribers in that area included in future editions of the London Telephone Directory?

The petition has been received and a reply sent. It is imperative that entries in the London-Telephone Directory—which is already unduly large—ishould be strictly confined to subscribers who are in the London area; and I regret that it is impracticable to make exceptions.

Does the Parliamentary Secretary not realise that firms-whose names are in the London Telephone Directory have a considerable advantage over similar firms whose names are not in the Directory, and will he consider the advisability, in order to-reduce the bulk of the Telephone Directory, of issuing a toll directory to include all toll numbers?

I should be glad to consider that suggestion, but I have not yet any ideas of my own upon it. With regard to the suggestion that firms nearer London have an advantage because their names are in the London Telephone Directory, I may explain that the London area is not taken by making a circle around a certain place, but is plotted out according to certain technical and administrative considerations.

Does the hon. Member realise that the great number of entries in the Telephone Directory causes great inconvenience owing to the smallness of the type?

Will the hon. Gentleman consider the advancing years of telephone subscribers, and issue a microscope with every Telephone Directory?

House Of Commons

Refreshment Department

44.

asked the hon. Member for Gorton, as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee, if all the eggs used in the kitchens of the House of Commons are national-mark eggs?

Is there any possibility of the Liberal party requiring eggs in view of an early General Election?

57.

asked the hon. Member for the Gorton Division, as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee, if all the ingredients of the Christmas pudding produced in the kitchens of the House of Commons are of Empire origin?

58.

asked the hon. Member for the Gorton Division as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee why Colchester oysters are not supplied in the Members' Dining Room?

Owing to what we consider the excessive wholesale rate charged for Colchester oysters, the Kitchen Committee find it impossible to supply same to hon. Members at a reasonable price.

May I ask how the hon. Gentleman knows that Members of this House would not be prepared to pay a better price for a better article if he never puts the better article before them?

Colchester medium oysters cost 6s. 3d. per dozen, without any allowance for throw-outs. The Kitchen Committee are placing on the tables of the House to-day Whitstable oysters of similar size, which are supplied to Members at the tables at 5s. 6d. per dozen, and, believe me, that is just about as much as we can squeeze out of oyster consumers.

Is the Chairman of the Kitchen Committee aware that Colchester oysters come from Brightlingsea, which I represent, and not from Colchester; and, in view of the prominence that is given to the problems of Scottish fishermen, may I ask the hon. Gentleman if he is aware of the desperate plight in which the Brightlingsea fishermen have been placed by their inability to get their oysters on the tables of the House of Commons?

Arising out of my hon. Friend's original reply, may I ask if the inflated prices for these extraordinary dishes do not in fact have the effect of inflating the prices of the normal dishes which ordinary Members want?

Standing Orders (Private Business)

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he proposes to ask this. House to appoint a Select Committee to review the Standing Orders relating to Private Business; and, if so, when will such Committee be set up?

Since the Resolution of the House on the 13th November last, the review of Standing Orders relating to-Private Business has been under consideration, and I hope it may be possible-to consider the appointment of a Select Committee soon after the House reassembles.

Export Of Horses Bill

47.

asked the-Prime Minister whether it is his intention to give facilities for the further-stages of the Export of Horses Bill?

The Government cannot undertake to provide-facilities for this Bill.

Is the Prime Minister aware that there is very great uneasiness on this matter among horse lovers, and will he try to find an opportunity for this Bill?

I wish we had time and opportunity to legislate upon everything upon which there is very great, feeling.

National Finance

Treasury Bills

49.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the lowest denominations in which Treasury Bills are offered for sale?

55 and 56.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury (1), whether he will take steps to issue Treasury bills in the denominations of £10, £50, and £100, in view of the increase which has taken place in the numbers of small investors in this country, so that they can secure the fullest advantage from their thrift;

(2) whether he will increase the rate of interest on Post Office deposits should it be found impossible to issue Treasury Bills of small denomination, so that the small investor will not be placed in a less advantageous position than the investor of large sums?

The matter does not lend itself to agrument within the limits of an answer to a Parliamentary question, but I fear the hon. Member's suggestion would be quite impracticable. The question of the fixed rate of interest on Post Office deposits is under consideration, but at present I am not in a position to make any statement about it.

Petrol Duty

51.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount of revenue derived from the Petrol Duty

Commitment.Estimated Expenditure.
1929.1930.
££
Under commitments detailed in previous Statement8,243,00018,967,000

Add—

Item 2. Under the proposals contained in Unemployment Insurance (No. 2) Bill, 1929, as

amended.

250,0002,000,000
Item 5. Agriculture and Fisheries—Loans for fishing nets, Scotland.50,000—
Revised Totals8,543,00020,967,000

Russian Trading Organisa Tions (Taxation)

52.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether Soviet Russian trading organisations in this country will be subject to the ordinary processes of taxation and inspection of books for the ascertainment of profits?

from the beginning of the financial year to the latest convenient date?

The approximate amount of revenue derived from the tax on hydrocarbon oils from the beginning of the financial year up to the 30th November was £10,336,000.

Commitments

50.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can give a statement of the additional commitments entered into by His Majesty's Government since 1st June up to 31st December, 1929; and the estimated cost for the current and forthcoming financial years?

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the statement given in reply to his question of the 19th November, and to the White Paper (Command Paper 3449) showing schemes approved for grant under the Development Acts and from the Road Fund. Additions have now to be made to that statement involving estimated expenditure from the Exchequer of £300,000 in 1929 and £2,000,000 in 1930. I will circulate details of these additions in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following are the details:

disclosing information as to the liability to tax of particular taxpayers. The hon. and gallant Member may be assured that the organisations to which he alludes will be dealt with in conformity with the law.

British Museum (Loan Collections)

53.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury upon how many occasions the trustees of the British Museum have put into operation their power to lend possessions of the British Museum in accordance with the terms of the British Museum Act, 1924; and will he arrange for the provisions of that Act to be brought to the notice of suitable public authorities throughout the country?

Since August, 1924, the trustees have on 14 occasions exercised the power of lending conferred upon them by the British Museum Act, 1924. In that year a circular letter calling attention to the trustees' loan collection was sent to public authorities maintaining suitable art galleries. In view of the references to local loans in the recent Report of the Royal Commission on Museums and Galleries, a further communication will now be sent to public authorities.

Might I ask the Prime Minister, who is one of the trustees of the British Museum, whether he is satisfied with the fact that the Museum has made such loans on only 14 occasions?

Service Pensions (Forfeiture On Conviction)

54.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he will take whatever steps may be necessary to prevent the loss of pension to any ex-service pensioner who may have been convicted and sentenced to imprisonment in any civil Court, observing that service pensions are deferred pay and have been earned by the recipient during years of good service with good character, and that such forfeiture, in addition to the sentence of imprisonment, constitutes a double punishment for one offence?

I am satisfied that the present Regulations governing this matter are adequate, and enable fair treatment to be given to pensioners.

Is the House to understand that there is a discretion on the part of those in authority in regard to the giving or withholding of a pension after conviction in a civil Court?

The pension regulations of the Army, the Air Force, and the Admiralty provide for the forfeiture of pensions on civil conviction. All three Departments have the power subsequently to restore the pension, and, in cases of hardship, the pension or part of it may be paid to the man's wife or children during his imprisonment.

Is the hon. Gentleman not aware that the question at issue is that a man's pension is what he has earned during a period of good character, and that it should belong to him, and not be subject to civil action afterwards?

Transport

Charing Cross And Waterloo (Railway Connection)

59.

asked the Ministry of Transport whether he has made representations to secure a connection between the new Charing Cross station and Waterloo Station sufficient to ensure through running from the Kentish to the Surrey suburban electric services and the avoidance of terminal congestion?

The question of a railway connection between the new Charing Cross Station and Waterloo Station, to ensure through-running between the Kentish Surrey suburban services of the Southern Railway Company, was discussed with the Company when the plans for the new Charing Cross Station were under consideration, and the conclusion was reached that the travelling public would not derive sufficient benefit to warrant such a connection being established.

London Tube Railways

60.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will secure a re-examination of the proposal to construct a deep-level tube railway for fast traffic between Hammersmith or Earl's Court and the City, thereby relieving rush-hour congestion and providing employment?

I understand that, in the opinion of the railway companies concerned, with which I am disposed to agree, there are other improvements of London tube railways which are likely to be needed before any such scheme as that to which the hon. Member refers. I would remind him that some of the improvements at Hammersmith for which power is sought in the London Electric Railway Company's Bill of this Session should, if carried out, have the effect of relieving the pressure on the Metropolitan District Railway.

Tyne (Cross-River Transport)

61.

asked the Minister of Transport if he is yet in a position to answer the application of the county boroughs of South Shields and Tyne-mouth for the appointment of an engineer to report on the possibilities of effecting a crossing on the Tyne between these county boroughs; and, if not, when he will be in a position to answer?

A letter was sent to the two county boroughs on the 21st instant making a formal offer of a grant towards the cost of the engineering investigations which it is desired to undertake.

Leeds-Goole Canal Scheme

62.

asked the Minister of Transport whether any further steps have been taken with regard to the suggested Leeds-Goole Canal in order to provide more employment?

I am in communication with the committee set up to investigate this project, and am awaiting further particulars from them.

Royal Air Force (Aircraft)

64.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for Air whether any war-time designed aircraft of the De Haviland 9a, and Bristol Fighter types are still in use in service squadrons and instructional units of the Royal Air Force; and, if so, when it is anticipated that the last machines of these types will be struck off the strength of these units and replaced by aircraft of modern design?

Yes, Sir; a certain number of D.H. 9a and Bristol Fighter aircraft are still in use, but both types have been BO continuously developed and improved that they now differ greatly from the war-time aircraft of the same names. As regards the second part of the question, it is hoped to substitute new types of aircraft for all D.H.9a's by the end of 1930, and for all Bristol Fighters by the end of 1932.

Will the hon. Gentleman give an assurance that, whatever economies may be instituted in the Services, nothing shall be allowed to interfere with this vital replacement programme?

Mr Francis Lorang

69.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why Francis Lorang, against whom a warrant has been granted, has not been brought to trial?

The whereabouts of the accused are unknown; the police are still continuing their inquiry.

Has it not been reported on many occasions recently that this man is living in luxury while many of his victims here are in a very grievous condition? What was the last occasion on which the police heard about this man, and what steps have been taken to bring him to justice?

I cannot very well add anything to the answer I have given, in-as-much I said the whereabouts of the accused are unknown.

Is it not a fact that the Treaties which the Foreign Office can put into operation are inadequate for the purpose, and could not the Foreign Office review the whole position of International Treaties with regard to extradition?

Licensing Law (Royal Commission)

70.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will request the Royal Commission on Licensing to present an interim report on licensed houses in the London area with a view to early parliamentary action to rectify existing anomalies?

My right hon. Friend does not think he could properly make any such request.

Liquor Traffic (State Control)

71.

asked the Home Secretary if he will state the capital expenditure incurred, together with the approximate annual profits derived from the following State controlled properties: Apple Tree, Lowther Street, Carlisle; Malt Shovel, Carlisle; Near Boot, Tarraby; Coach and Horses, Kingstown; and Black Lion, Durdar?

My right hon. Friend is afraid he cannot comply with this request. The financial position of the State management undertaking at Carlisle is set out in the accounts published with the Annual Report, and to give separate figures, in respect of any of the properties owned by the undertaking, would be a new departure on which my right hon. Friend does not wish to embark.

Agriculture (Government Proposals)

72.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether the official statement issued to the Press on 17th December by his Department represents the full programme of His Majesty's Government in relation to agriculture; whether the measures indicated are calulated to restore prosperity to farming; and, if not, what further measures are in preparation?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. The extent to which the proposals referred to are beneficial will depend upon the use that is made of them by the agricultural community. The aim of the Government is to improve the standard of life of those who work upon the land, and further proposals to this end will be submitted in due course.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say, in reply to the second part of the question, whether the measures indicated are calculated to restore prosperity to farmers?

I have not mentioned any individual proposal. I have spoken about them collectively.

Justices Of The Peace (Appointments)

75.

asked the Attorney-General the number of magistrates appointed in the boroughs and counties, respectively, in the year 1928, and what proportion of these were women?

In the year 1928, 388 magistrates were appointed in boroughs in England and Wales, of whom 43 were women, and 633 magistrates were appointed in counties in England and Wales, of whom 67 were women.

Will the hon. and learned Gentleman also consider whether, in making these announcements, he could give some information to the House as to which particular political party they belong?

Education

Secondary Schools (Free Places)

76.

asked the President of the Board of Education when he proposes to develop facilities for free secondary education?

This matter is receiving my right hon. Friend's consideration, but he is not yet in a position to make a statement.

Building Programme

77.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that local authorities cannot complete their building programme by 1932; and whether he will extend the time limit for the 50 per cent, grant for another five years?

My right hon. Friend is not prepared to extend the time limit for the 50 per cent, grant, but he would remind the hon. and gallant Member that the increased grant is payable, not in respect of buildings completed by 1st September, 1932, but in respect of expenditure to which the authorities become committed before that date.

Is the hon. Gentleman in order in replying to a question from that Bench? Is it because he wishes to dissociate himself from his colleagues?