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Volume 234: debated on Tuesday 21 January 1930

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House Of Commons

Tuesday, 21st January, 1930.

The House—after the Adjournment on 24th December, 1929, for the Christmas Recess—met at a Quarter before Three of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Fabric Gloves (Customs Duty)

I desire to present to this Honourable House a humble petition signed by 147 female workers in the fabric glove industry in the borough of Bideford, in the county of Devon, showing that, whereas a Customs Duty has been imposed upon imported fabric gloves since 1925 and, as a result, employment in the glove industry has greatly increased, and new female workers and learners have obtained employment and in consequence of the fear that the Duty will not be continued after the termination of the five years for which it was imposed employment is decreasing and without the Duty half of those now employed in the industry would lose the employment they have obtained since the Duty was imposed. Therefore your petitioners pray that the Customs Duty on fabric gloves shall be continued for a further period of years.

Oral Answers To Questions

Labour Standards

1.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what progress the present Government has made up to the present in safeguarding British labour conditions against unfair foreign competition and goods made from sweated labour by means of international negotiations?

6.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the Government propose to prohibit the importation of any foreign goods which are produced by sweated labour?

As has already been indicated, the policy of the Government is to approach this matter by way of international discussion, and they will continue to take every opportunity to promote international agreement on labour standards. The International Labour Office have already concluded an inquiry into working conditions in the coal mining industry, and a technical conference of the chief coal-producing countries of Europe has recently been held at Geneva to explore the possibilities of reaching international agreement in regard to hours, wages or other conditions of work in coal mining. A committee has also been set up by the International Labour Office to conduct an inquiry into conditions in the textile industry. His Majesty's Government has taken an active part in the coal inquiries, and is giving every assistance to the textile inquiry. Exceptional steps for expediting the former were taken on the special representation of His Majesty's Government at the last meeting of the Assembly of the League.

Is there any likelihood, as a result of these steps, that British workers will be protected against foreign sweated labour within the next 12 months?

No one can possibly put a time limit, especially where international discussions are taking place, but I am very hopeful that within that time results of some kind will be obtained.

Has there been any de finition of what is known as sweated labour in this country or anywhere else?

That is a very difficult point. I agree that the definitions are far from precise, but what is usually involved is the offer of goods here at a price less than the fair cost of production.

In the event of no decision being arrived at with the other nations, is the competition between foreign sweated labour and honest labour in this country to continue indefinitely?

It does not follow that it will continue indefinitely. I have given information in this long reply indicating all the steps which are being taken. In our view, it can only be solved on an international basis, and we are taking every step to that end.

Will the right hon. Gentleman indicate some period of time at the end of which he will take some action?

No; no human being can indicate any period of time, when he has to negotiate with several Governments.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman realise that the Government already possess all the necessary powers to put an immediate stop to this unfair foreign competition, and that in this country there is a strong and rapidly growing—[Interruption].

Trade And Commerce

Argentina

4.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is now in a position to make a statement on the progress of the negotiations between His Majesty's Government and the Govern- ment of the Argentine Republic for the completion of a trade agreement with special reciprocal advantages between the two countries?

11.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the terms of the declaration of British policy as made, or to be made, to the Argentine Government in pursuance of the British Ambassador's assurance that this country would not place any duties or any restriction of any kind on foreign imports into Great Britain?

Arising out of conversations with the D'Abernon Mission, the Argentine Government expressed their willingness to reduce the duties on certain goods of artificial silk in return for a declaration as to the policy of His Majesty's Government with regard to duties and restrictions upon the importation of certain Argentine products into this country. Before any such declaration had been made, the Argentine Government issued a decree reducing by 50 per cent. the duties on yarn and piece goods of pure artificial silk as from 1st January, 1930. As, however, goods of artificial silk mixed with cotton are of much greater importance to our trade than goods of pure artificial silk, the Argentine Government were asked to consider whether the concession could be extended to cover such mixtures. This request is now being considered by the Argentine Government, and, in the meanwhile, the operation of the decree dealing with pure artificial silk goods has been suspended. No declaration has yet been made on behalf of His Majesty's Government.

In point of fact, does not the concession which is promised, or already declared by the Argentine Government as due to commence on 1st January last, apply to every other country having trade relations with the Argentine?

Does the British Government confirm the statement made by the British Ambassador as to the character of British policy?

Imported Milk Powder

5.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the quantity of dried condensed skimmed milk which has been imported from abroad in each of the last three years?

The particulars available in respect of imports of milk powder in the years 1927 and 1928 were stated in a reply on 16th December last to the Noble Lord the Member for Aldershot (Viscount Wolmer), of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy. The quantity recorded for the year 1929 was 279,463 cwts., including 16,475 cwts. of sweetened milk powder. These quantities for 1929 are inclusive of milk powder to which other matter than sugar has been added (not less than 70 per cent. being dried milk), while the figures for earlier years did not include such products with milk powder. No information is available to show what proportion of the imported milk powder was prepared from skimmed milk.

Has any complaint been made to the Board of Trade of the spread of tuberculosis in this country consequent on the importation of skimmed milk?

No, Sir, not within my knowledge. I do not remember having such a complaint brought to my notice.

Textile And Iron And Steel Trades

7, 8 and 9.

asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) whether, in view of the unemployment in the cotton trade, arising in great part from the depression in the export branches, he will bring in a Bill on the lines of the Government's Coal Bill for a minimum price of cotton goods, a quota of production, and the amalgamation of cotton mills;

(2) whether, in view of the unemployment in the woollen textile industry, arising in great part from the depression in the export branches, he will bring in a Bill, on the lines of the Government's Coal Bill to provide for a minimum price for woollen goods, a quota of production, and the amalgamation of woollen mills;

(3) whether, in view of the unemployment in the iron and steel trades, he will bring in a Bill, on the lines of the Government's Coal Bill, to provide for a minimum price for iron and steel, a quota of production, and the amalgamation of firms in the iron and steel trades?

I have noted the hon. Member's suggestions, in regard to which I can only point out that action to improve the condition of particular industries, whether taken by the Government or the industries themselves, must vary according to their respective needs.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that every argument which he used on the Second Reading of the Coal Bill applies equally to these three trades in my question and to agriculture; and how does he justify favouritism to the coal trade against those three other depressed industries?

There can be no complaint of favouritism. We must in these matters deal with one industry at a time. In any case, inquiries are in progress into the position of the iron and steel industry and the cotton industry. I cannot anticipate the results of those inquiries, but they will be considered when the reports are presented.

How does the right hon. Gentleman justify his statement that there is no favouritism when the extra cost of coal will fall on these three depressed industries and agriculture?

I do not agree with that for a moment. If the hon. Gentleman awaits the Committee stage of the Coal Mines Bill, he will hear what I at all events regard as powerful arguments on that point.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that we can hear no more powerful arguments against the coal proposals than were put up when the Coal Mines Bill was before us on Second Reading?

Before any such proposals as outlined in these questions are adopted, will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to ascertain whether the questioner and his friends will support them?

Will opportunity be afforded at the Inquiry for evidence to be given with regard to the probable effect on the iron and steel industry of the Coal Mines Bill?

I have already made it perfectly plain in this House that all relevant matters are in order before that Committee. If any witness wishes to tender evidence on that point, he will have a full opportunity of doing so.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the state of the cotton industry is more serious than the coal industry?

Anglo-German Treaty

10.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if steps will be taken to ensure that in the renewal of the Anglo-German commercial treaty provision is made to prevent export bounties or their equivalent on German wheat sent to Great Britain?

The treaty does not require renewal, but remains in force continuously unless or until either party gives notice of its intention to terminate it, in which event one year's notice is required. So far as I am aware, there is no immediate prospect of any such denunciation, and the hon. Member's question therefore does not arise.

Seeing that his colleagues in the Government have declared this to be most unfair competition, will the right hon. Gentleman intimate to Germany that it is difficult to retain this Treaty, to continue it, if this unfair competition continues?

No. I am quite willing to consider the general question with my colleagues, but I cannot give an undertaking at this Box to intervene in a way that would lead up to the denunciation of the Treaty.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman really mean that, as usual, the Government intend to do absolutely nothing for British industry?

Russian Timber (Imports)

12.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can state the result of his inquiries as to the extent to which prison labour and compulsory labour of detention camps has been entering into the timber subsequently exported to this country by the Russian Soviet Government; and what steps he proposes to take to stop imports of this character?

I regret that I cannot undertake to make inquiries of the kind suggested by the hon. and gallant Member.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consult the current number of the "Timber Trades Journal" in reference to this question? He will see there quotations from the Finnish Press on the employment of slave labour in that country.

Without in any way accepting what my hon. and gallant Friend said on the last point, I will certainly consult that journal; but I ought to point out that I have not received a single representation on this point from any section of any industry in this country vitally affected.

Export Credits (Russia)

67.

asked the Secretary to the Overseas Trade Department the aggregate total face value of the bills current on 11th January, 1930, drawn by British exporters of goods to Russia and bearing the acceptance of the Russian Government or its agents and guaranteed by the British Government under the exports credits scheme?

It has not been the practice to disclose the amount of liabilities outstanding under the Export Credits Guarantee Scheme in respect of individual countries, and I regret, therefore, that I am unable to give the information asked for by the hon. and gallant Member.

Are we to understand, therefore, from the reply of the hon. Member that His Majesty's Government are standing by their undertaking not to guarantee credit facilities to the Soviet Government?

As I explained previous to the rising of this House this scheme is an insurance for the payment of goods exported from England, and a certain amount of that business is being done with Russia.

Does not that mean that His Majesty's Government are guaranteeing the credit of Russia and are, therefore, going back on the undertaking given by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs?

Is it not a fact that under the hon. Member's administration they lost money in countries like Poland?

I think that it is a technical point which the hon. Member raises. What the Export Credits Scheme is doing is to guarantee the goods, some of which are exported to Russia.

Will the hon. Member say what he means by guaranteeing the goods? We are not guaranteeing the goods. We are guaranteeing that the Russian Government will pay for the goods. That is giving the British Government's credit to the Soviet Government.

British Army (Penarth Head Fort)

13.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the fort at Penarth Head has been found to be redundant; and what action he proposes to take concerning the matter?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the second part, steps will be taken to dispose of the property as soon as the guns and stores have been removed, and as my hon. Friend the Financial Secretary stated on 10th December last, the Penarth Urban District Council will be given an opportunity of purchasing at a fair price.

Fishing Industry

Insurance For Fishermen

14.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has completed his investigations into the question of a comprehensive scheme of insurance for fishermen; and whether he is now in a position to announce the Government's proposals in the matter?

Inquiries into this question are still proceeding. The question, as the hon. Mem- ber is aware, is necessarily a complicated and difficult one, but there will be no avoidable delay. I am not at the moment in a position to make any further statement on the subject.

Can the hon. Gentleman give me any idea of how long it will take to conduct this inquiry?

It all depends on the reports that we get from the responsible insurance interests, with whom we are in consultation.

No, Sir; in this particular inquiry we are only considering, from the Scottish Office point of view, the question of Scotland.

Relief And Loans

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is now in a position to state the terms, including the rate of interest, upon which credits will be offered to Scottish fishermen for the replacement of their nets lost off the East Anglian coast on the 11th November; and in what manner it is intended that the voluntary fund should be utilised for the assistance of these fishermen?

The rate of interest to be charged will be 3 per cent. The other terms upon which loans will be granted are under consideration. The relief funds raised by the Lord Provosts will be pooled to form a national fund and distributed by the central committee with the assistance of local committees among the Scottish fishermen referred to for the purpose of assisting them to replace their nets.

Are we to understand that the loans are to be confined only to those who lost their nets on 11th November, or to all fishermen?

Will the right hon. Gentleman say whether there are going to be separate applications, or, as before, he is going to ask the two classes of fishermen to fill up the same form?

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether the needs of share fishermen, other than those who suffered in the East Anglian disaster, for credits to replace lost and worn-out boats and gear, will be provided for in the Government's credit scheme for the Scottish fishing industry?

I regret that it is not practicable to utilise the Loans Fund except for the purpose stated in my reply to the hon. Baronet's question on the 23rd of December.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that for some time there has been a strong demand from the fishing industry for these credits, a demand which he himself supported in the last Parliament; and is he not also aware that a great many men in much poorer circumstances than some of those who lost their nets in the East Anglian disaster urgently require assistance, which some of us would give them?

I am quite as well aware of the difficulties of the subject as my hon. and gallant Friend, but, when an appeal was made for the fund, its purpose was stated to be to replace the nets which had been lost in the gale off the East Anglian coast on 11th November.

My question referred, not to the voluntary fund, but, as the right hon. Gentleman will see, if he is good enough to refer to the question, to the Government's credit scheme. It is that credit scheme which I wish to see extended to those who were not concerned in the East Anglian disaster.

I think my hon. and gallant Friend forgets that all the appeals that were made for help, and for the help that the Government might give, were based on the loss that had been sustained by the fishermen on the 11th November.

Is there a credit scheme and the voluntary fund, or is there only one scheme?

I think I have already explained that the voluntary fund will be distributed by the committee that has been set up, and that there will be a loan of £50,000 to the fishermen at the rate of 3 per cent., the conditions of which are now being considered by the Fishery Board.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the credits mentioned in this question were promised by the right hon. Gentleman and his friends in their election campaign and that they are a part of their election programme? When is the right hon. Gentleman going to carry out this definite pledge?

Whatever may have been in the election programme, I want my hon. and gallant Friend to realise that since this Government came into office some seven months ago, or thereabouts, a considerable amount of relief has been granted to the fishermen on whose behalf he is appealing and that other forms of assistance are now under consideration by the Government.

Government Policy

49.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement as to the policy of the Government with regard to the fishing industry; and if he will assure the House that no consideration of party polities will influence his estimate of its needs?

An Interim Report of the Fishing Industry Sub-Committee of the Committee of Civil Research is about to be published, and the hon. Member may accept my assurance that this Government at any rate will not allow party politics to determine its interest in the present hardships of the fishermen.

Will the right hon. Gentleman cause that answer to be circulated to the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland?

Agriculture

Scotland

15.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware of the situation which exists in the farming industry in Scotland owing to the inability of producers to obtain a reasonable price for their produce: and if he will state his proposals for helping that industry?

I am aware of the difficulties which at present confront agriculture in Scotland. It is not possible for me, however, within the limits of question and answer to discuss what the Government have done and are doing and have in view for the purpose of assisting the industry.

Does the hon. Gentleman understand that we have not had an answer at all as to what the Government are prepared to do in regard to Scottish agriculture?

In the closing days of the last Session my right hon. Friend made a very considerable and long answer on that subject, and I propose, with my hon. and gallant Friend's consent, to send him a copy of it.

Will the hon. Member consider that the only possible means of giving help is to exclude new foreign potatoes for a definite period?

Royal Veterinary College

42.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he can now make any statement regarding the Report on the Royal Veterinary College?

I am fully aware of the need for urgency in this matter, and discussion between the Government Departments and other bodies concerned are being pressed forward. I am not in a position to make any further statement on this subject, but the hon. and gallant Member may rest assured that a decision will be reached and made public as soon as possible.

Government Policy

43.

asked the Minister of Agriculture when he will announce the Government's agricultural policy?

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the answer which I gave to a similar question by the hon. Member for Eye (Mr. Granville) on 16th December.

Has not the right hon. Gentleman had time to reconsider the matter during the Recess?

I think the reply to the question on the Paper is fully given in the answer to which I have referred the hon. Gentleman.

Is the Government's agricultural policy being placed before the Agricultural Conference that is now sitting?

Corn And Meat Prices (Stabilisation)

56.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he proposes to introduce a Bill to stabilise the prices of corn and meat produced in Britain?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to a similar question by the Noble Lord, the Member for Horsham and Worthing (Earl Winterton) on 23rd December, to which I have nothing to add.

Scotland

Juvenile Offenders (Probation Bill)

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the Government propose to introduce a Probation Act for Scotland to further the probationary method of dealing with juvenile delinquents?

A Probation Bill for Scotland has been prepared. The date of its introduction must, however, depend upon the exigencies of Parliamentary business.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that in this instance Scotland is behind England, and will he take steps to push on this legislation?

Is the right hon. Gentleman also aware that any delay in that Bill being brought forward was due to the party opposite?

Deer Fence, Strathnaver

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland on what grounds the crofters of Strathnaver, who have been suffering from the depredations of deer, have been refused by their proprietor, the Department of Agricul- ture for Scotland, the materials for a deer fence which they are willing themselves to erect; and whether he is now prepared to sanction the grant of these materials?

I am advised by the Department of Agriculture that the responsibility for the erection of the deer fence at Strathnaver to which the hon. Baronet refers should be borne by the landlord from whose lands the deer come, and against whom damages have been awarded by the Land Court in respect of the depredations in question.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to see that this matter is dealt with, because in the meantime the crofters are suffering, and they are willing to put up the fence?

Can the right hon. Gentleman say if it is correct, as stated in this question, that the Department of Agriculture is the proprietor of this land, or whether it is some private owner?

The Department of Agriculture is not the proprietor of the land from which the deer came. Steps have been taken to obtain damages from the proprietor.

Are steps being taken to get the fence put up? That is the important point.

If these landlords do not pay, is there not power to send them to prison?

Unemployment

Government Policy

21.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether the Government has any new measures or plans for reducing unemployment?

I am continuing steadily to expand and develop the policy I have already explained to the House. In particular, the policy of aiding and encouraging the revival of industry, especially the export trades, is being actively pursued, and in this connection I have recently been able to make an authoritative pronouncement upon the relations between the City and industry which makes it plain that proposals put forward for assisting the reorganisation of industry on sound lines will receive the sympathetic consideration and the cooperation of the City in working out plans and finding the necessary finance.

Does the right hon. Gentleman propose to give any further details, particularly in relation to his statement at Manchester with reference, for instance, to the City and industry and matters of that kind?

Certainly, at the most convenient opportunity; but the House will appreciate that, when negotiations are going on affecting the reorganisation of certain industries, for the purpose of which millions of pounds have to be found, it would be undesirable and unwise on my part to make such announcements, because the firms concerned would resent them more than anyone else. At the first convenient opportunity, however, I shall be delighted to elaborate my views.

Would the right hon. Gentleman in the interval, because an opportunity may not occur for a week or two, issue a White Paper or give further particulars, so that those engaged in the industries concerned may know exactly what it is proposed to do and take their course accordingly?

The issue of a White Paper is entirely unnecessary fur the purpose that the right hon. Gentleman suggests. There are already thousands of schemes and applications. The difficulty is not that people do not know, but to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Will the right hon. Gentleman do us the favour of explaining here and now what he means by the word "City"?

23.

asked the Lord Privy Seal the total amount of money spent on unemployment schemes since he assumed office, and the estimated number of people who have thereby received employment?

25.

asked the Lord Privy Seal the amount of the guarantees which have been approved under the Development (Loan Guarantees and Grants) Act, 1929, for undertakings which will provide additional employment in the case of municipalities and public utility companies, respectively; and the numbers now employed on projects which have been brought into operation during the latter half of 1928?

27 and 28.

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) the value of the schemes sanctioned by the Unemployment Grants Committee since 28th November, 1929; the amount of Government guarantees on their account; and the estimated number of man-months of employment to be provided by these schemes during the current year;

(2), what is the value of schemes approved under the Development (Loan Guarantees and Grants) Act, 1929, since 29th November, 1929, the value of Government grants on their account, and the estimated number of man-months of employment they will provide during the coming year in Great Britain?

33.

asked the Lord Privy Seal how many schemes have been approved by the Unemployment Grants Committee since the House adjourned; and how many men and women it is estimated will be employed under these schemes?

36.

asked the Lord Privy Seal the total amount of expenditure sanctioned by him for providing work for the unemployed, both in grants to local authorities and grants for other schemes, up to 31st December, 1929?

38.

asked the Lord Privy Seal how many local authorities, county councils, or corporations have submitted schemes for internal improvements; and, with a view to easing the local problem of unemployment, how many have been examined and how many have been approved?

20.

asked the Lord Privy Seal how many people are at work as a result of the new schemes put forward since the present Government came into office?

While it is not convenient within the limits of a Parliamentary answer to give the information asked for hon. Members are clearly en- titled to it, and, as stated on the 24th December, I propose to issue very shortly a further statement amplifying the White Paper recently issued.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that only two figures are asked for in my question; and, further, that during the last Session I put a similar question to him week by week and never got a reply?

I do not know about the latter part of the hon. Gentleman's supplementary question, but, if he will look at the whole of the questions to which I have referred in one answer, he will see that they all ask for information which it is difficult to give by question and answer. As I have said, I will deal with it in a further statement.

When the right hon. Gentleman presents his White Paper, will he take pains to show how much of the employment is fresh employment, and how much is only in replacement of schemes which are terminating?

I do not know that that will be possible, but I will endeavour to do it. I have in my mind a dock which is being finished now. A new contract has been given, probably to the same contractor, but the Government cannot say, "You must employ certain men." It may easily be that some of those who are now finishing will get new work, but the Government cannot particularise.

Would the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether any of these schemes are going to deal with the thousands of unemployed women in the country?

Only in so far as they are related to the general unemployment problem; but the Ministry of Labour, as the Noble Lady will know, is considering the question of special schemes of training for women.

In regard to special schemes of training for women, will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind the fact that the late Government did that, but that we were always pressing them to do more; and will he take a step forward, and not backwards?

It is a very modest request to make to ask us to do more than they did. I think that that would be easy.

May I remind the right hon. Gentleman that the present Government, although they have been in office for seven months, have done less than the last Government did in this matter?

Will the right hon. Gentleman take an opportunity of making some statement during the forthcoming Debate when the Government will be asking for many more millions of pounds for the relief of unemployment?

I have to meet a number of deputations, and, although it would be a disappointment to me to miss the hon. and gallant Gentleman's speech, and I shall be here if I can, it is only fair to say that it may not be possible. The hon. and gallant Gentleman gave me notice of the questions that he is going to raise, and someone will be here to deal with the situation. If I am absent, it will only be due to certain conferences which I am attending.

Will the right hon. Gentleman include in the White Paper figures bearing on the effect on employment of the measures which are being taken for the revival of the export trade?

It is impossible for anyone to do that. It is true that certain schemes of rationalisation, which I am encouraging because they are in the interest of the country, must have the effect of adding to the number of unemployed, and not decreasing it. It is of no use to run away from that fact.

On a point of Order. I desire to ask your guidance, Mr. Speaker. I have a question on the Paper which involves merely two figures. The right hon. Gentleman, in reply to this and other questions, has made many statements and given many answers, but on previous occasions I have found it practically impossible to get a direct answer. I desire to ask you, Sir, whether it would be in order to raise this question on the Motion for the Adjournment of the House?

It would be in order to raise a question of that kind on the Motion for the Adjournment of the House.

May I ask your guidance, Mr. Speaker, with reference to Question No. 33? That question has nothing whatever to do with the points raised in the other questions. It deals with the Unemployment Grants Committee, which is an old Committee, and it merely asks how many schemes have been approved during the Recess and for how many men and women they have found employment?

If I may say so, this is not a different position. There are three Committees, namely, the Unemployment Grants Committee, the Development Committee, and the Colonial Development Committee, and the Government in various ways are giving financial assistance to each of these Committees. In my answer I merely stated that I anticipated that the House would like a full statement of all the grants made by each of these bodies, and that in the White Paper I would give that information.

Railway Electrification

26.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he can make any statement on the schemes for electrification of railways which have been definitely completed or which will be completed at an early date: and when operations on these schemes will be commenced?

Grants were approved by the Development (Public Utility) Advisory Committee in November towards schemes for electrifying the London Midland and Scottish Railway between Dagenham and Upminster, and also the Wirral Section (Birkenhead to West Kirby and Bidston Junction to New Brighton). It is anticipated that an early start will be made on both these works. The Company have also undertaken to electrify the track between Barking and Dagenham. Following upon the remission of the Railway Passenger Duty, the Southern Railway Company propose to electrify their line between Coulsdon and Brighton: Bedhill and Guildford; and Preston Park and Worthing. Contracts for a considerable amount of this work are expected to be let shortly. The Company have also announced their intention to electrify by next summer their lines between Hounslow Junction, "Whit-ton Junction and Windsor; Dartford and Gravesend; and Wimbledon and West Croydon. In addition the Railway Companies are understood to be considering further schemes of electrification.

Is any progress being made with the London and North Eastern Railway scheme in relation to Liverpool Street?

The difficulty of the London and North Eastern Railway in relation to Liverpool Street is the problem of the whole of London traffic. You cannot disconnect one from the other. Negotiations on those lines are taking place at present.

Is it not a fact that two or three years ago a scheme for the electrification of the London and North Eastern Railway relating to Liverpool Street had actually been completed? Has the right hon. Gentleman taken any steps to ascertain how soon it can be given effect to?

It is true that certain engineers submitted a scheme, but the railway company turned it down then, and they have turned it down to-day. The Government are not in a position to say to a private company. "You must adopt this particular scheme." That is their business and not the Government's.

Are we to understand from the right hon. Gentleman's reply that the electrification of Liverpool Street is to be held up pending agreement with the combine?

I did not say it was to be held up. I said negotiations were taking place, because it could not be separated from the general question of London traffic.

Zambesi Bridge (Contracts)

29.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether any contracts have yet been placed in this country on account of work in connection with the Zambesi Bridge scheme?

Orders have been placed for a certain amount of material in connection with the approach railways. It is hoped that the main contract will be placed at the beginning of May.

Have the final plans been approved and passed for the construction of the bridge?

I believe that is so, and the tenders, we anticipate, will be let in May.

Seeing that the Zambesi Bridge will be in Portuguese territory, will the Lord Privy Seal take steps to provide for the employment of as much British labour as possible?

The aspect of the question that we are mainly concerned with is that the very important contracts for the steel should be given in this country. It is rather in that direction that I am concentrating.

Motor Industry

32.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he is in a position to state what progress he has made with his negotiations with the motor industry?

I am not in a position to make any further statement at the present time on the matter to which the hon. Member refers.

Will the right hon. Gentleman be able to make a statement in a fortnight's time?

I could not commit myself to a day. The hon. Member may take it that those engaged in the industry themselves are the best judges.

Tin Industry

34.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what proposals have been placed before the Government for the revival of the tin industry in Cornwall; and has he considered the Report of the Cornish mining engineers as to the good prospects of development in this industry throughout the whole county of Cornwall?

No definite proposals have been made to me, but if the hon. Member is in a position to submit information or proposals, I shall be glad to examine them in conjunction with my hon. Friend the Secretary for Mines.

Severn Barrage Scheme

35.

asked the Lord Privy Seal when the Government will be in a position to announce their policy in regard to the Severn barrage scheme; and whether full information as to the Shannon enterprise has been placed at the disposal of the Commissioners who have been investigating this question?

I have been asked to reply. The preliminary investigation undertaken on the recommendation of the Sub-Committee of the Committee of Civil Research was completed last year. The results disclosed were considered to justify more detailed investigations which are in progress. The answer to the second part of the question is in the affirmative.

Derbyshire

40.

Local Authority.Nature of Work.Estimated Cost.
£
Alvaston and Boulton U.D.C.Sewers2,800Under consideration.
Alvaston and Boulton U.D.CSewers12,300Under consideration.
Alvaston and Boulton U.D.CRoads1,000Under consideration.
Belper R.D.CSewers5,850Under consideration.
Belper U.D.CWater2,700Rejected.
Blackwell R.D.C.Water5,695Under consideration.
Bolsover U.D.C.Roads3,508Approved.
Bolsover U.D.C.Roads and Water1,492Approved.
Bolsover U.D.C.Roads1,036Approved.
Bolsover U.D.C.Water688Under consideration.
Bolsover U.D.C.Sewers2,042Under consideration.
Chesterfield R.D.C.Sewers6,058Approved.
Chesterfield R.D.C.Sewers1,874Approved.
Chesterfield R.D.C.Water33,000Under consideration.
Chesterfield T.C.Roads and Sewers7,895Under consideration.
Clay Cross U.D.C.Sewers3,500Approved.
Clay Cross U.D.C.Sewers720Approved.
Derby T.CRiver Improvement162,000Under consideration.
Glossop B.CRoads and Sewers14,000Under consideration.
Heage U.D.CSewers25,000Approved.
Ilkeston T.CRoads3,825Approved.
Long Eaton U.D.C.Water20,000Approved.
The Matlocks U.D.C.Water2,650Approved.
New Mills U.D.C.Electric Supply27,000Rejected.
New Mills U.D.C.Gas2,870Under consideration.
Ripley U.D.CRoads1,200Approved.
Ripley U.D.CWater1,306Under consideration.
Shardlow U.D.C.Sewerage15,280Approved.
Shardlow U.D.C.Sewerage15,235Approved.
Shardlow U.D.C.Sewerage13,200Approved.

As regards road schemes three schemes for widening sections of route A.6, estimated to cost £485,000 have been approved

with the unemployment problem in Derbyshire submitted to his Department by local authorities; which authorities have submitted such schemes; whether he can give particulars of such schemes; which of these schemes have been approved and which are still under consideration; and the total amount of money involved in each case?

My hon. Friend will be pleased to learn that, in addition to important road schemes submitted by the county council, 30 schemes have been submitted by 17 local authorities in the county of Derby. As the details involve a number of figures I will, with my hon. Friend's permission, circulate them in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following are the details:

The following applications have been considered by the Unemployment Grants Committee from local authorities in the county of Derby since the 1st June, 1929.

proved in principle under the Trunk Road programme for grants of 80 per cent. and the Highways Committee have decided to recommend the county council to proceed with such works. The county council have submitted a five years' programme consisting of 12 schemes estimated to cost £676,361. Five of the schemes estimated to cost £657,500 are under discussion with the county council. The remaining seven schemes estimated to cost £18,861 have been approved for grant. The Derby County Borough Council have also submitted a programme consisting of six schemes estimated to cost £428,100. As regards two of the schemes estimated to cost £285,000, it will be necessary for the council to obtain Parliamentary powers before the works can be put in hand. Details of a scheme estimated to cost £100,000 are now being examined, but the details of the other schemes have not yet been submitted. In addition to the schemes referred to above, grants have been made during the current financial year to local authorities in the county of Derby in respect of road improvement schemes estimated to cost £73,474 and one scheme in the county borough of Derby estimated to cost £820.

Agricultural Workers

44.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he will take steps to ascertain the number of unemployed agricultural workers at the present time in England and Wales?

57.

asked the Minister of Agriculture what machinery exists to provide a record of unemployed farm workers; and, if not, what steps can be taken to ascertain them?

Owing to the non-inclusion of agricultural workers in schemes for insurance against unemployment, no machinery exists for obtaining exact statistics of the number of unemployed in the industry.

Could the right hon. Gentleman give an approximate estimate of the number of unemployed agricultural workers?

I am obtaining the information that can be obtained from the unions concerned, but exact statistics are not available.

When does the right hon. Gentleman think that this information will be available to Members?

Has the right hon. Gentleman decided to take crofters into the Unemployment Insurance Scheme?

58.

asked the Minister of Agriculture when the Unemployment Insurance Bill for farm workers will be introduced?

I have been asked to reply. The Departments concerned have this matter under consideration, but I cannot at present say when it will be possible to lay proposals before the House.

Leith

63.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of unemployed persons registered at the Employment Exchange, Quality Street, Leith, on the 15th January, 1928, 15th January, 1929, and 15th January, 1930, respectively?

The number of persons on the registers of the Employment Exchange at Quality Street, Leith, on 6th January, 1930, was 4,886, as compared with 5,193 at 7th January, 1929, and 3,889 at 9th January, 1928.

Scotland

64.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of un employed persons registered at the Ex changes in Scotland on 15th January, 1928, 1929, and 1930, respectively?

The number of persons on the registers of Employment Exchanges in Scotland at 6th January, 1930, was 193,238, as compared with 187,305 at 7th January, 1929, and 146,675 at 9th January, 1928.

Channel Tunnel

22.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has now received the Report of the Channel Tunnel Committee; and whether he can make a statement of the Government's intention in connection therewith?

24.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what action he proposes to take with regard to the Report of the Channel Tunnel Committee?

Unexpected delays have occurred in the later stages of the work of the Committee, owing partly to the necessity for considering additional matter which has been laid before them, but it is hoped that the Report will be submitted shortly.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give any idea as to how long it will be? Will it be a week or two, or a month?

This is not a matter in which the Government are responsible. I saw the Chairman of the Committee myself last week, and he explained the difficulties in regard to the necessity for additional expert advice. I gave him authority, but it was not for me to say to him, "Issue your Report at a given date." That is his business, and not mine.

Coal Industry (Explosions)

41.

asked the Secretary for Mines whether, in view of the fact that in 1927 three men were killed as the result of explosions in mines due to striking matches or smoking and in 1928 five deaths resulted from the same causes, he proposes to introduce legislation to further safeguard miners from such practices?

The existing legal provisions are strict and comprehensive, and I do not think that breaches of these provisions can be prevented by further legislation.

Is the hon. Gentleman of opinion that the penalties at present imposed are sufficient?

Does not the hon. Gentleman think that, if automatic gas alarms were installed and it was known that gas was present, the men would not take the risk of smoking? Does he not think the time has arrived when automatic alarm should be made compulsory in all mines?

Housing

Slum Clearance

45.

asked the Prime Minister what facilities he proposes now to afford for slum-clearance legislation?

Can the right hon. Gentleman indicate a little more precisely what he means by that? Would it be within the next two or three weeks?

Does the Prime Minister mean to introduce a Measure for Scotland at the same same time?

Floods, Somerset

72.

asked the Minister of Health the number of working-class houses rendered unfit for human habitation by the recent floods in the Somerset area?

My right hon. Friend has no official information on this subject. He will send to my hon. Friend a copy of some private estimates which he has received.

Ministers (Absence Abroad)

46.

asked the Prime Minister which Ministers have been, or are at present, absent from this country in connection with the duties of their office?

As the reply is in tabular form I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the reply:

No Ministers are at present absent from this country, but the following Ministers have at various times been absent in connection with the duties of their offices:

The Prime Minister: Delegate to the Assembly of the League of Nations. Visit to the United States and Cunada.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer: Dele-gat to The Hague Conference

The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs: Delegate to The Hague Conference. Delegate to the Assembly of the League of Nations. Representative on the Council of the League of Nations.

The Lord Privy Seal: Visit to Canada.

The Secretary of State for War: Visit to Vimy in connection with the unveiling of windows in the French Memorial Chapel. Visit to Malta and Gibraltar to see conditions under which the troops serve.

The President of the Board of Trade: Delegate to The Hague Conference, Delegate to the Assembly of the League of Nations.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs: Substitute delegate to the Assembly of the League of Nations. Representative on the Council of the League of Nations.

The Under-Secretary of State for Air: Study of continental air transport systems.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty: Inspection of naval establishments, Mediterranean Station,

Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade: Delegate to the International Labour Conference. Delegate to the Preparatory Technical Conference on Conditions of Work in the Coal Mining Industry.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Labour: Representative on the Governing Body of the International Labour Office.

Coast Protection Bill

50.

asked the Prime Minister when it is proposed to take the Money Resolution relating to the Coast Protection Bill?

51.

asked the Prime Minister when it is proposed to take the Money Resolution for the Coast Protection Bill?

I regret that I am not at present in a position to indicate when it will be possible to take this Resolution.

Is it a fact that notice has already been given of nearly 500 Amendments?

In the earlier stages of the Bill I indicated that it could not be proceeded with unless it was received with something like general agreement. The fact that it has not had that general agreement is the reason for the delay.

Rating (Land Values And Sporting Rights)

52.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has received any resoutions, and, if so, how many, urging the Government to allow local authorities to levy rates on land values as an aid to the solution of the problems of unemployment?

No record of such resolutions, if any, has been kept in the Treasury.

55.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether it is intended to introduce legislation to secure that rates are paid upon all sporting rights?

I have been asked to reply. I understand that a test case under the Rating and Valuation (Apportionment) Act, 1928, is likely to come before the High Court in the near future, the decision in which should resolve doubts as to the liability of sporting rights in certain circumstances to separate assessment for rates. In the meantime, it would be premature to consider the question of amending legislation.

Is it not a fact that, where sporting rights are let separately from the ownership of land, they are rated at present, and any such proposal as proposed by the hon. Member (Mr. Kelly) to rate all sporting rights would take away from the owner occupiers, who now cultivate more than a third of our land, a great part of the benefits which they have received from the derating of agricultural land?

Would it not be more in the interest of the country to find work for these sporters instead of them hunting all over the country using up their time enjoying themselves?

Government Departments (Conscientious Objectors)

53.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury how many conscientious objectors have been promoted in Government Departments over the heads of civil servants who served in the War?

I have repeated the inquiry made for the purpose of replying to the same question put to me on the 17th of last month by the hon. and gallant Member, and the answer is the same, namely, three.

Can the hon. Gentleman now give me one reason for this preferential treatment?

The hon. and gallant Gentleman is quite incorrect in calling it preferential treatment. The information has been given before, but I will give it again. Promotions are made solely on the ground of merit and in the interest of the efficiency of the service.

Would it not be more correct to describe what has happened as the removal of disabilities which ought never to have been imposed?

Income Tax (Insurance Policies)

54.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether any estimate has been made of the number of those who avoid payment of Income Tax and Super-tax by taking out a 10-years' or endowment policy on which the insurance companies give a loan of 85 per cent. of the single premium, enabling them to debit their accounts with the interest on this 85 per cent.?

I regret that I am not in a position to give this information, but I can assure my hon. Friend that the effect of these arrangements on the yield of Sur-tax is not being lost sight of.

River Pollution

59.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether his attention has been called to the Report of the Tyne Experimental Committee, particularly the reference to the pollution of the River Tyne from sewage; and whether, having regard to the damage done to fisheries upon which many people depend for their livelihood, he is taking any action in the matter?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. With regard to the second part, the condition of the river has been kept under observation by the River Tyne Sub-Committee of the Standing Committee on River Pollution, and the Reports of this Committee have been communicated to the sanitary authorities, with whom responsibility for action lies.

60.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether, in accordance with the recommendation of the Joint Advisory Committee on River Pollution, county councils and county borough councils have been reminded of the power of any one of them as to the setting up of a river board to control the whole length of a river, including its tributaries; whether any applications for the establishment of a river board have been received; and which river board, if any, has been set up?

I have been asked to reply. The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. No new rivers joint committees have as yet been set up. One application has been received but not proceeded with. The question is being considered by conferences of the local authorities or special committees in a number of cases, and this will, my right hon. Friend hopes, lead to results.

Washington Hours Convention

61.

asked the Minister of Labour when it is proposed to ratify the Washington Hours Convention?

The Hours of Industrial Employment Bill is in course of preparation, and I hope to be able to introduce it before Easter.

India (Haj Committee)

65.

asked the Secretary of State for India whether the Haj Committee set up by the Government of India has presented its Report; and, if so, whether he will inform the House of the terms of this Report?

The report of the Committee has not yet been presented to the Government of India.

Russia (British Relations)

68.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the names of the British members of the joint committee set up under Article 4 of the Protocol of 3rd October to negotiate with Russia?

The joint Committee provided for in Article 4 of the Protocol has not yet been set up.

If there is no Negotiating Committee, how can discussions be proceeding?

Anglo-Egyptian Relations

69.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he can make a further statement as to the present position with regard to the proposals for a draft treaty with Egypt?

Yes, Sir. The speech from the Throne at the opening of the Egyptian Parliament on the 11th January contained a friendly reference to the treaty proposals which, the High Commissioner reports, was cordially received by the Chamber and by the public generally. The Egyptian Parliament has hitherto been occupied with its internal re-organisation, and, while these inevitable parliamentary preliminaries are in progress, the new Egyptian Government has naturally been unable to establish contact with the Chamber on the treaty issue.

Vaccination

70.