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Volume 235: debated on Tuesday 25 February 1930

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House Of Commons

Tuesday, 25th February, 1930.

The House met at a Quarter before Three of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Private Business

Private Bills Lords (Substituted Bills)

Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in respect of the following Bills, introduced pursuant to the Provisions of the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act, 1899, and which the Chairman of Ways and Means had directed to originate in the House of Lords, they have certified that the Standing Orders have been complied with, namely:

Scottish Central Electric Power Bill [ Lords] (Substituted Bill).

Fife Electric Power Bill [ Lords] (Substituted Bill).

Lochaber Water Power Bill

[ Lords] (Substituted Bill).

Provisional Order Bills (No Standing Orders applicable),

Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in the case of the following Bill, referred on the First Reading thereof, no Standing Orders are applicable, namely:

Severn Fisheries Provisional Order Bill

Bill to be read a Second time To-morrow.

Oral Answers To Questions

Unemployment

Textile Industry (Automatic Looms)

3.

asked the Lord Privy Seal in view of the agreement come to between the trade unions and the employers with regard to the use of automatic looms in the cotton and artificial silk trades, what measure of financial assistance he will be prepared to advise in order to help employers with the cost of installation?

As I informed the hon. Member for Pudsey and Otley (Mr. G. Gibson) on 28th January, it is for the leaders of the industries concerned to formulate proposals for re-organisation, but I shall, of course, be ready to co-operate.

Do I understand that the right hon. Gentleman has made some arrangement with the banks, by which something might be done in reference to finance?

Yes, and those engaged in industry not only know it, but are availing themselves of it daily. The hon. Member, however, will quite understand that it would not be proper for me, across the Floor of the House, to name any particular mill or factory.

In view of the fact that this question asks for assistance to employers, will the right hon. Gentleman have due regard to the fact that employés are going to be put out of work as a result of the operation of automatic looms—that they are asking in Lancashire that the weavers should operate eight looms, as against four before this was introduced?

Export Trades

4.

asked the Lord Privy Seal which are the trades in which the effect of his plans to increase the export trade will be seen in the unemployment returns?

As I have repeatedly stated, the Government's policy is to encourage by every means possible the expansion of British trade both in home and in overseas markets, and with this object in view I am continuing my discussions with the representatives of industry in order that any steps which the Government can properly take to stimulate and facilitate trade shall be taken. The hon. and gallant Member will appreciate that a policy of this kind, which is calculated to have general results, cannot affect the unemployment figures immediately.

Is the right hon. Gentleman yet in a position to make any statement with regard to assistance to the motor-car and motor-cycle export trade?

I am not yet able to indicate what precise steps are being taken, but I will go so far as to say that internal arrangements are being made by this; industry.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if he is not impressed by the conversion of the hon. Member for East Wolverhampton (Mr. Mander) from the Free Trade point of view?

Has the right hon. Gentleman taken into serious consideration the representations made to him the other day by representatives of the motor-cycle and motor-car industry?

I always treat very seriously representations made to me from all industries.

Scottish Wholesale Co-Opeeative Society (Foreign Machinery)

5.

asked the Lord Privy Seal, whether he can now state the result of his inquiries with reference to the recent purchase of German machinery by the Scottish Wholesale Co-operative Society?

Government Proposals

6.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has any new Parliamentary proposals to communicate to the House, with a view to mitigating unemployment?

I am continuing to develop the policy outlined in the reply which I gave to the right hon. Gentleman on the 2lst January.

Is there any probability of anything definite coming, so far as new proposals are concerned, from the suggestions made by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and other Ministers?

Canada (Minister's Visit)

7.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has received the Report upon colonisation and employment opportunities in British Columbia which, as a result of his visit to Canada, he was to receive from the Premier of British Columbia; and whether he proposes to publish this Report now or when received?

I have not yet received the full Report from the Premier of British Columbia.

May I have an answer to the last part of the question, as to whether the right hon. Gentleman proposes to publish the Report?

I have not seen the Report, and, obviously, I could not talk about publishing something until I have seen it.

Has the Lord Privy Seal any information as to the placing of the contract for five ships for the Canadian trade?

I informed the House, when I was last questioned, that I had received a letter from the builder, who informed me that they had reached the stage of completing a final contract. The right hon. Gentleman will be pleased to know that since that—in fact, this morning—I have received the first definite information of an order for 40,000 tons of coal to be shipped immediately from this country when the St. Lawrence is open. That is soft coal, in addition to the hard coal.

Would the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to reply to my question, which was as to whether the contract for these ships had been placed?

I have informed the right hon. Gentleman precisely as to the position, and I have nothing to add. The right hon. Gentleman, I think, was not in the House when I made my first intimation. I then informed the House that it was dependent upon definite contracts being obtained. This is the first time, although it has taken months to complete the negotiations, that I am in a position to say definitely that 40,000 tons, as a start, have been ordered.

Could the right hon. Gentleman tell us from which district the 40,000 tons of coal are to be taken?

On a point of Order. I have asked a simple supplementary question, cannot I have an answer?

I hope to be in a position to tell the House definitely from what part of the country the coal will come, but I am not in a position to say definitely at this moment.

Public Works (Grants)

9.

asked the Lord Privy Seal when the White Paper, which was promised for last week, stating the public works approved for grant by the Unemployment Grants Committee, may be expected; and whether the estimated cost, the amount of employment provided, and the degree of anticipation will be stated in each case?

The issue of this Paper has been postponed in order that particulars of certain schemes now under consideration might be included in it. I hope that it will now be issued early in March. As regards the last part of the question, the particulars given of schemes approved by the Unemployment Grants Committee will be on similar lines to those contained in the earlier Paper.

Cannot the right hon. Gentleman give us rather more specific information than is contained in the earlier Paper as to the three items mentioned in the last part of the question? I am sure that such information would be of interest to every Member of the House.

I will endeavour to give all the information that is possible in the White Paper.

Metalliferous Mining Industry

10.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware of the amount of unemployment among metal miners, particularly in the tin mines of Cornwall and in the lead and barytes mines of Shropshire; and, in view of the schemes now being considered by the Government with a view to assisting other distressed industries, if he will take such steps as may be practicable to help the metalliferous mining industry in particular?

I am aware that there is some unemployment among men engaged in the metalliferous mines, and if any practical suggestions are put forward to me to deal with this situation I shall be happy to consider them.

In view of the negotiations which are taking place in regard to rationalisation, can the right hon. Gentleman give those in the industry any definite assurance of favourable consideration by the Government for any concrete schemes?

It would be absurd for me to make any offer in circumstances such as those of question and answer, without knowing anything of the proposals that were being submitted. In reply to the question on the Paper, I have said that, if any of these proposals are made, they will be considered, and beyond that I cannot go.

Has the right hon. Gentleman yet begun to apply his mind to the question of the position of the tin mines in Cornwall, which is very important?

Has the right hon. Gentleman had a request that he should receive a deputation representing the tin-mining industry of Cornwall, and is it likely that arrangements for receiving the deputation will be made soon?

I cannot remember having received such a request. There may be one in, but I have not yet seen it.

Did not the right hon. Gentleman's officers receive a deputation the week before last, and are they not now considering the whole of the proposals?

Penistone

11.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether Penistone, in view of the closing of the iron and steel works in that town, as part of the rationalisation of the iron and steel trade in that town may be classified as a distressed area and share in such facilities as are available for distressed areas?

My right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour has decided that, in the circumstances, the facilities that have been available to workpeople in certain depressed areas to enable them to take employment elsewhere shall be extended to the unemployed workpeople at Penistone.

13.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he cam state the number of public works schemes in operation in the Division of Penistone, with details and the number of men employed; and the number of schemes at present under consideration, with details and the local authorities concerned?

I am having inquiries made and will communicate with my hon. Friend as soon as possible.

Boot And Shoe Teade

12.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether there are any plans in his Department for the rationalisation of the Northampton footwear industry?

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the answer given yesterday by my hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster to the question addressed to him on this subject by the hon. Member for Grimsby (Mr. Womersley).

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Chancellor of the Duchy advocated rationalisation as a cure for the troubles of the footwear industry, and, if he has no plans, what does he intend doing about it?

I myself saw the representatives of this industry and heard the case presented and discussed many matters affecting the industry with them.

Is the right Ion. Gentleman aware that many people in the boot industry think it very necessary to start considering the future, and would it not have been a good thing if coal cotton, and other industries had started thinking before they got into their present parlous condition?

Canadian Wheat And British Products (Exchange)

14.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he can give the House any information concerning his recent discussions with representatives of the Canadian wheat pool?

My discussions with the wheat pool and with representatives of the millers chiefly concerned the possibility of securing greater regularity in the shipment of wheat during the St. Lawrence season in order that ships going out might quote a freight rate for outward cargo based on the certainty of a return cargo. It was not found possible to make any definite agreement to this end, but I have every hope that these conversations will lead to a more regular exchange of Canadian wheat for British products.

Are the interests of the English wheat producer being properly safeguarded?

Hours Of Work

45.

asked the Prime Minister if any inquiry is being conducted into the question of a general reduction of hours of labour in this country as a contribution towards easing the unemployment problem; and if any legislation is to be introduced in this direction and, if so, to what extent and When?

An inquiry of the kind referred to is not being conducted, and beyond the Bill in connection with the Washington Hours Convention and the Factories Bill, no legislation of this kind is at present contemplated.

Can the Prime Minister say when the Bill dealing with the Washington Convention is likely to be introduced?

Questions about that have been answered again and again. It is awaiting an opportunity.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell the House whether the negotiations with the National Union of Railwaymen have been completed?

Cinematograph Films Act

15.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether any of the Colonies or Dominions have notified his Department during the previous two years that they could not introduce legislation corresponding with the quota Clauses contained in the Cinematograph Films Act, 1927, and can he give particulars?

No, Sir. If any such notifications have been made, they would have been addressed to the Secretary of State for the Colonies or to the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs.

Company Law

19.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will give a complete Return of those companies to whom exception has been granted from the obligations imposed by Sub-section (1) of Section 145 of the Companies Act, 1929, and the corresponding Section of the Business Names Act, 1916, giving particulars of the names, former and present, of all directors of such companies?

I do not think that the value of the Return would justify the large amount of labour which its preparation would involve. I would remind my hon. Friend that full particulars of the name and any former names of directors of any particular company can be found on the company's file, which is open to public inspection at the office of the Registrar of Companies in London or Edinburgh, as the case may be.

27.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the Solicitor to the Board of Trade is taking any steps to detect or prevent evasion of Section 128 (1) (c) of the Companies, 1929, or whether he proposes to allow this Section to become inoperative until there is an Amendment passed to remedy the unforeseen flaw or loophole in the Act of 1929?

I shall be happy to consider any evidence brought to my notice of evasion of this Section in specific cases. I have no reason to think that the Section is inoperative.

22.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the fact that 2,600 companies are at present in default in filing their balance sheets, he will, in future, publish in the Board of Trade Journal once every month the total of such defaulters, so that the results of the action of the solicitor to the Board of Trade may be seen?

As was indicated by the Parliamentary Secretary on 18th February, the first steps in this matter are taken by the Registrar, and it is only necessary to refer oases to the Solicitor to the Board of Trade where the Registrar himself fails to secure the re- turn. In these circumstances I doubt whether any useful purpose would be served at this stage by the preparation and publication of the figures asked for in the question, but I appreciate the point which the right hon. Gentleman has in mind, and I will consider later the desirability of taking action on the lines suggested by him.

That means that 2,600 companies have defaulted. Does not that show the failure of private enterprise?

Coal Industry

Royalties (Nationalisation)

20.

asked the President of the Board of Trade when it is intended to introduce legislation for the nationalisation of mining royalties?

The Bill to deal with coal mining royalties will be introduced this Session, but in view of the pressure on Parliamentary time I cannot promise that it will be possible to make any further progress with the Bill before the end of July.

The intention is to pass it into law at the earliest possible moment, but the House will appreciate the congestion of business.

Does the right hon. Gentleman think that the passing of the Measure will increase employment?

It does not bear directly on employment, but it has a very important bearing on the coal mining industry.

Export Trade

35.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the total quantity of coal exported by all coal-producing countries in the world in the years 1911, 1912 and 1913, and in the years 1927, 1928 and 1929, respectively; and what proportion of such export trade was done by Great Britain?

STATEMENT showing the Total Quantities of Coal exported from the principal coal-producing countries during the years 1911, 1912, 1913, 1927, 1928 and 1929, and the proportion of such trade done by the United Kingdom.
1911.1912.1913.1927.1928.1929.
(1,000 tons.)
Total Exports from principal producing countries.165,147173,166194,835172,086170,394Particulars not yet available.
Exports from the united Kingdom as percentage total.52·749·650·540·440·6

Exports of coke and patent fuel, converted in terms of coal, are included in the above figures.

The above figures are substantially complete, but do not necessarily include the whole of the coal exported from all producing countries, and, on the other hand, some re-exports of imported coal may be included.

Owing to territorial changes resulting from the War, the pre-War and post War figures are not directly comparable.

Exports from the United Kingdom in 1927 and 1928 exclude those to the Irish Free State, as such trade in the years 1911–1913 was not included in the external trade of the United Kingdom.

Wath Main Colliery (Explosion)

(by Private Notice) asked the Secretary for Mines whether he has any statement to make regarding the explosion at the Wath Main Colliery?

I deeply regret to inform the House that an explosion occurred in this mine on Monday night, as a result of which three men were killed, four burnt very seriously, and three burnt less seriously. An initial explosion, which apparently occurred immediately after a fall of roof, was followed by a second and more violent explosion which caught the men as they were making to come out of the workings. The divisional inspector of mines and his assistants have already made investigations in the pit, and further investigations are in progress at this moment. The House will join with

With my hon. Friend's permission, I will circulate the information he asks for in the OFFICIAL REPORT

Following is the information:

me in expressing our deep sympathy with the families and friends of the dead and injured men and our earnest hope that all the injured may recover.

Will my hon. Friend ascertain whether there were in use at this particular colliery any automatic gas detectors?

Is my right hon. Friend not aware that there is a large body of opinion in this country, particularly in the mining community, which no longer believes in a coroner's verdict of "Accidental death" in such cases as this?

There is a great body of opinion in favour of gas detectors, but in this particular case a fall of roof broke the lamp, and it would, therefore, have broken even a gas detector. That was the position of affairs, as far as I am aware at the present time.

I personally happen to have worked in that particular district, and is my hon. Friend not aware that an automatic gas detector is absolutely necessary, if the lives and the limbs of men are going to be made safe?

I agree completely with my hon. Friend that a proper, safe gas detector is a desirable thing. The matter is being explored very fully, and I trust there may be good results from it.

Is my hon. Friend not aware that the law relating to mines is this, that safety lamps are not given to men to allow them to work among gas, that the Act provides that there should be no gas where men are employed, and that these lamps are only given to men for safety in the case of a sudden inrush of gas? Will he ask the inspector to find out why that gas was present?

I must have notice of these questions, which are very technical questions.

Will my hon. Friend make a thorough investigation into the cause of this explosion, and report the same to the House?

A most thorough investigation is taking place now, and a further one, when the time is opportune, will take place also.

Trade And Commerce

Tariff Truce

23.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can make a statement as to the progress and proceedings of the Tariff Truce Congress?

The Tariff Conference met on 17th February, and the first week was occupied by a series of plenary meetings at which the delegates of the participating countries outlined their views. Two Committees have now been appointed, one to deal with the draft Convention for a tariff truce, and the other to draw up a programme of negotiations for collective agreements. These Committees are pursuing their tasks and are expected to report in the course of about a fortnight to the main conference.

Does the right hon. Gentleman anticipate that anything more will happen than the appointment of committees?

Will the findings of these committees be submitted to the House before the Government arrives at any definite policy?

Not the findings of the two committees, which are committees of the conference at Geneva, but, if anything is proposed in final form, it will certainly come before the House, and I believe hon. Members opposite have given notice for a debate in the near future.

Will not the right hon. Gentleman be very happy if there are any findings at all?

Whatever the result, is the right hon. Gentleman aware that meanwhile, during the truce, this country will be very gravely prejudiced?

Freights (Belfast And Liverpool)

16.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware of the effect on trade and employment in Belfast of the cost of freights between Belfast and Liverpool and other United Kingdom ports; and whether he will consider setting up a Committee to investigate the matter?

I am not aware that any complaints have been made regarding freight rates between Belfast and Liverpool and other United Kingdom ports, but if the hon. Member has knowledge of such complaints and will supply me with details, I will consider the matter.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider asking the Belfast Government to allocate some of the £8,000,000 they are getting from this House for the purpose?

Lace Trade

26.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether there are any statistics available to show how the turnover of fancy lace finishers for 1929 compares with that of 1924–25?

The latest information available regarding the sales of lace was furnished on 5th November last in reply to a question by the hon. and gallant Member for Bournemouth (Sir H. Croft), of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy. No separate particulars are available regarding fancy lace.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the uncertainty now prevailing at Nottingham? Does he really contemplate these duties coming to an end next July?

34.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the rack-output of lace in Nottingham for each quarter in the years 1925 and 1929, respectively?

As has been explained in answer to previous questions, the Board of Trade are not in possession of complete figures of production covering all firma in the lace trade. Information covering a portion of the trade is supplied periodically to the Department through trade channels, but some of the particulars relating to 1929 have not yet been received. When these are available, I will communicate what information I can to the hon. Member.

Cotton Exports (India)

28.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he has received any representations respecting the injury to Lancashire cotton goods arising out of any increase in the import duty by the Indian Government; and, if so, whether he proposes to take any action?

Since the Government of India instituted last July an inquiry into the import duties on cotton piece goods, I have maintained close touch with representatives of the cotton industry and have taken steps to let their views on the matter be known in the proper quarter.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether the Government have any power over the imposition of these duties in India?

I would remind the hon. and gallant Member of the Fiscal Autonomy Convention which is really the reply to his question.

Can the right hon. Gentleman inform the House what representations have been made?

I must not enlarge on the question, but I can assure the hon. Member that the fullest representations that can properly be made have been made.

Textile Industry (Foreign Competition)

17.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can state the amount of linen goods exported from Czechoslovakia into the United Kingdom during the last 12 months; whether he is aware that the wages paid in the Czechoslovakian linen industry are approximately 40 per cent. of the wages paid for the same categories of work in this country; and whether he proposes to take steps to safeguard the employment of British workers in this industry from the competition resulting from the low standard of wages maintained by Czechoslovakian manufacturers?

The imports of flax yarns registered as consigned from Czechoslovakia in 1929 were 412 tons, valued at £88,616, and of linen manufactures £19,280, as compared with a British output which, according to the last Census of Production, amounted in 1924 to 43,000 tons of yarns, and piece goods valued at 14 millions sterling. The figures of imports do not include articles of apparel, particulars for which are not separately recorded. As regards the second part of the question, the available information as to wages in the linen industry in Czechoslovakia is insufficient for the purpose of exact comparisons, but I am aware that wages generally in Czechoslovakia are substantially lower than in this country. As regards the third part of the question, I have nothing to add to previous statements as to the policy of the Government.

18.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what methods he is adopting to ensure that no yarn nor manufactured cotton-piece goods enter this country from Russia without his knowledge?

I have no reason to doubt that goods consigned to this country from Russia are so returned to the Customs authorities but, as has already been indicated, any individual cases of a different practice, of which the right hon. Gentleman may furnish particulars, will be fully investigated.

Is the right hon. Gentleman keeping his eye on the yams that come from Riga?

21.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can give the House the amount of yarn and cotton goods imported into this country from Japan for the last three years for which statistics are available and especially for the past few months?

On 13th February, in reply to a question by the hon. Member for Stockport (Mr. Hammersley, I cerculated in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the value of cotton merchandise of various descriptions imported during the past three years and registered as consigned from Japan. I am sending the hon. Member a copy of this table and will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a corresponding table for the four months October to January last.

The following TABLE shows the TOTAL DECLARED VALUE of the undermentioned descriptions of Cotton Merchandise imported into Great Britain and Northern Ireland during each of the months October, 1929, to January, 1930, inclusive, and registered as consigned from Japan (including Formosa and Japanese leased territories in China).
Description.Oct., 1929.Nov., 1929.Dec, 1929.Total Oct.-Dec, 1929.Jan., 1930.
£££££
Cotton, raw1,040
Cotton linters
Cotton waste, unmanufactured7,8128,6926,15022,6544,850
Cotton yarns
Cotton manufactures (except apparel and embroidery):—
Piece goods: Grey, unbleached
White, bleached108108
Printed7311,6931,8664,2906,079
Dyed in the piece3,1061,57114,93619,6134,814
Manufactured wholly or in part of dyed yarn, and commonly known as coloured cottons.1,3106105362,4561,965
Flags, handkerchiefs and shawls, wholly of cotton, not in the piece.8282
Lace and net994
Finished thread
Small wares, including ribbons and trimmings.6156652
Made up cotton goods for household purposes.11,8378,6107,63328,08011,336
Manufactured cotton cleaning waste2020
Cotton manufactures, not elsewhere specified1,5371,1491,5594,245884
Apparel:—
Fabric gloves, wholly or in part of cotton
Hosiery of cotton, or of which the chief value is cotton:—
Stockings and hose7,47413,35714,56735,39823,997
Underwear25,11027,39020,50973,00931,009
Fancy hosiery1,7151,6251,2684,6082,900
Total of above60,72264,69769,219194,63888,930

Notes.—In addition to the above items, other articles of apparel imported from Japan are probably made of cotton, but such articles are not classified in the Import Returns according to the material of which they are made, and therefore are not included in the above table.

The above figures are provisional.

29.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can state the value and amount of Russian linen yarn dumped in Northern Ireland during the last year; whether he is aware of the unemployment in the spinning end

May we assume that the figures are increasing, and, if so, does not the right hon. Gentleman think it will be a good thing to put on a protective duty against those goods to help our workers in the cotton industry?

Following is the table:

of the linen industry in Northern Ireland; and whether he has any information as to the hours and wages operating in this branch of production in Russia, by comparison with those operating in Northern Ireland?

During the year 1929, the quantity of flax yam imported into Northern Ireland and registered as consigned from the Soviet Union (Russia) was 5,191 cwts., valued at £39,537. I have no information regarding the amount of unemployment in the various sections of the linen industry, for which as a whole the percentage unemployed in January last was 14.6. In September, 1929, according to official figures published by the Soviet the average hourly rate of all workers in the linen industry in Russia was 26.6 copecs (6.7 pence), and the spinners worked an average of 7½ hours a day. In Northern Ireland, female spinners earned 6d. an hour at a corresponding date, the normal working week being 48 hours.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the value of the copec is maintained on an artificial basis, and that it is worth about half its official value?

Agricultural Machinery (Russia)

36.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the total value of the exports to Soviet Russia of agricultural machinery made in the United Kingdom for the period 30th November, 1929, to 31st January, 1930?

The total declared value of the exports of agricultural machinery and parts thereof manufactured in Great Britain and Northern Ireland and registered as consigned to the Soviet Union (Russia) during the months of December, 1929, and January, 1930, amounted to £847.

Cotton Industry (Inquiry)

47.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can inform the House at what date he expects to receive the report of the Commission set up to inquire into the conditions of the cotton trade?

In view of the exceptionally heavy Parliamentary duties of my right hon. Friend, the President of the Board of Trade, I have invited my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary to act as Chairman for the remainder of this inquiry. I understand that it is being pressed forward with all possible expedition.

Is the Prime Minister aware that not only the President of the Board of Trade but the First Lord of the Admiralty has been Chairman of this Committee, and does he expect the Committee to have a satisfactory report when no one single chairman has heard all the evidence?

I admit the difficulty, but at the same time I can assure the House that other methods have been taken so as to keep this inquiry going, and outside the inquiry efforts are being made to deal with the position.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that it is not necessary to keep the inquiry going but that it is necessary to have some practical results because the condition of Lancashire is so serious.

Consumers' Council

30.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he has yet set up a consumers' council, as promised at the beginning of this Parliament; and, if so, can he state the names of the council?

As I indicated on the 5th November last, it is proposed to introduce legislation in due course setting up a consumers' council.

Mercantile Marine

British Seamen (Foreign Imprisonment)

31.

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many British seamen were left behind in foreign ports under sentence of imprisonment for offences against the law of the country in which they were sentenced during the years 1927, 1928, and 1929; and what arrangements are made for the repatriation of such seamen at the expiration of their sentences?

It is not practicable to give the information sought in the first part of the question without a long and expensive investigation. Arrangements are made by the British Consul at the foreign port for the repatriation of such seamen at the end of the term of imprisonment, and for maintenance prior to repatriation if that cannot be immediately provided.

33.

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many British seamen were tried in the years 1927, 1928, and 1929 in foreign Courts on charges of offences against the Merchant Shipping Acts; how many were acquitted; how many were fined; and how many received sentences of imprisonment which were afterwards served in foreign prisons?

Board Of Trade Examinations (Chinese Nationals)

32.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will explain the issue of Notice 601 in the Hong Kong Government Gazette of the 22nd November, 1929, stating that Chinese nationals will be permitted to sit at the Board of Trade examinations for master, first mate, and chief engineer under the same conditions as laid down for British subjects; and whether this means that the Board of Trade Regulations which confine examinations for certificates of competency under the Merchant Shipping Act to British subjects have now been widened?

The arrangement made by Order No. 601 in the Hong Kong Government Gazette of the 22nd November, 1929, was approved at the instance of the Colonial authorities in Hong Kong. As to the effect of the arrangement, I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by the Under-Secretary of State for the Colonies on the 19th February to the hon. Member for Moseley (Mr. Hannon).

Will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to answer the last part of the question, as to whether this means that the Board of Trade Regulations, which confine examinations for certificates of competency to British subjects, have been widened?

No, Sir, I gather that in this case they do not receive a certificate of competency, which is restricted to British subjects, but that they receive in its place a letter signed by the examiner certifying that the examination has been passed. That is really the essence of the change.

Does this letter entitle them to serve as officers on British ships; and is it given in place of the Board of Trade certificate?

I should not like to reply finally to that question without notice, but I understand that that is not the case.

Can the right hon. Gentleman state whether it is not a fact that British subjects born in India, for example, are perfectly entitled to sit for these examinations and receive certificates as any other British subject?

That is quite new material. If the hon. Member will put down a question, I will gladly give him a reply.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us what is the value of this letter if it does not enable the people who receive it to serve as mate and so on on British ships?

It is largely, as I understand it, a question of providing examination facilities, and this letter from the chief examiner is not a certificate of competency which can only be granted to British subjects.

What is the use of the letter? Has the letter any value or validity at all?

Oh. yes, certainly. I should think that it would have value, at all events, as showing that these examinations have been taken, and up to a point they are evidence of a certain level of competency.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say what is the use of the letter, which, having been given, does not appear to qualify the recipient for anything at all?

It must qualify for service in some capacity. I cannot this afternoon indicate to the right hon. Gentleman the precise way in which it can be used without notice of a question of that kind.

Forestry Workers (Wages)

37.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade as representing the Forestry Commissioners, if the Forestry Commissioners intend to raise the wages of forestry workers above the minimum now paid to the workers privately employed by farmers?

The whole question of the wages and conditions of service of the Forestry Commission's workers is under consideration.

I am awaiting their decision. They have not finally examined the question.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that in Scotland the Forestry Commissioners are paying shocking wages to the people in their employ?

Is it proposed by the Forestry Commission that the men employed by them shall be regarded as being employed in an insured occupation?

That matter is determined by Act of Parliament which is outside our jurisdiction.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that at the present moment forestry workers are paid, many of them, about 31s. per week, that they have to provide all their tools which amount to about 40s. or 50s., and that when they lose time in the woods it is not made up to them?

British Army

Tattoos

38.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can give particulars of any military tattoos that have been sanctioned by his Department for the year 1930?

The General Officers Commanding-in-Chief the Aldershot, Eastern, Northern and Southern Commands have authority, should they think fit, to permit a Command tattoo in 1930. I understand that in the Southern Command a tattoo will be held in August, and in the Aldershot Command in June, but that no definite derision has been reached in the other two Commands. Tattoos, other than the four mentioned above, may only be held with War Office authority, and up to the present, no such authority has been given for 1930.

Meat And Wheat Supplies

39.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether, in view of the recent Government instruction to all Departments of State to buy British goods, it is his intention in future to purchase British meat and wheat for the Army?

I would refer the right hon. Member to the reply given to him on 20th February by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister, to which I have nothing to add.

Has the right hon. Gentleman's attention been drawn to the case of a hospital which obtains money by supplying British wheat?

No. My attention has not been drawn to that. The hon. Member might do it for me.

Albany Street Barracks

41.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the present position of the Albany Street barracks is suitable; and, if not, whether, considering the need for working-class housing in that district, he will entertain the suggestion of removing these barracks further from the centre of London?

40.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether it would be possible to transfer all the troops now accommodated at Albany Street barracks to other barracks within the London area and make this site available for house building and slum clearance?

While the position of the Albany Street barracks is not ideal for the purposes for which they are required it has not been possible to find suitable alternative accommodation except at prohibitive cost.

Marching Order Kit (Weight)

42.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that weights carried by the private soldier, when in full marching order, have been increased during the past few years; and whether he is taking any steps to reduce these weights?

There has been no increase in the regulation weight carried by an infantry soldier during the last few years and there was a decrease of four pounds in 1924. The desirability of reducing the weight is fully recognised and the possibilities of doing so are under constant examination.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say when there was an increase? Was it in the last two years?

Scotland

Local Government

63.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will have a White Paper prepared giving the contents and boundaries of the electoral divisions of the respective counties, giving the number of county councillors for the respective counties, and the apportionment of these county councillors between the landward area and the burghs entitled to be represented on the county council, and the district committee areas with the number of members of the respective district committees?

The publication of a White Paper of the nature suggested by my hon. Friend would involve a considerable expenditure, and I do not think that its usefulness would justify the cost. The information referred to will be found in the Orders made under Section 8 and the schemes approved under Section 25 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, which have been or will be published in full in the Edinburgh Gazette.

Housing

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of persons in Glasgow who have been removed to slum clearance houses from slum areas and how many have been unable to remain in the houses owing to inability to pay rent; and if he can state how many actions have been taken at the courts for arrears of rent?

A total of 3,963 families representing approximately 17,710 persons have been removed to houses provided under slum clearance schemes in Glasgow. The number of families who have left the houses owing to inability to pay rents is 281 of whom 165 left voluntarily and 116 were evicted. As regards the second part of the question, 615 actions have been taken in the courts for recovery of arrears of rent.

In view of the fact that these figures represent a fair number of persons who are unable to pay the rent, will the Under-Secretary make representations to the Glasgow Corporation to get a revision of the rents, which are fairly high?

That raises a big question of poverty and its relief, and it could not be adequately discussed by way of Question and Answer.

Cannot something be done with the Corporation of Glasgow with regard to a revision of rents, as has been done elsewhere?

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of houses that have been built by the Mid- lothian County Council under the respective Housing Acts and the districts in which they have been built; and if he is aware that a demand exists in the Roslin area of the Lasswade district which the county council are failing to meet?

County of Midlothian.Number of Houses built under the—Total.
Housing. Town Planning, etc. (Scotland) Act. 1919.Housing, etc., Act, 1923.Housing (Financial Provisions) Act, 1924.
Calder District56166222
Lasswade District20 (Roslin Site)20
Gala Water District5252
Total7616652294

As regards the latter part of the question, I am informed that last July the housing requirements in the Roslin area were estimated at 48 houses, but since then 32 houses have been built and eight are on point of completion—all by private enterprise assisted by the local authority. The erection of eight additional houses by private enterprise is at present under consideration.

Red Biddy

64.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is now in a position to report to the House the result of his promised examination into the injurious effects of the alcoholic beverage known as red biddy; and whether he has any evidence to show that this intoxicant is produced in any substantial degree in Leith?

The inquiries which I have so far made indicate that there is a considerable sale of cheap red wines in Scotland and that the term "red biddy" is sometimes applied to such cheap red wine, and sometimes to a mixture of the wine and methylated or other spirits. There is no evidence of the manufacture or sale in Scotland of beverages containing such mixtures, but there is reason to believe that these mixtures are made by some purchasers of cheap red wine. The effects of such mixtures are

a tabular statement, I propose, with my hon. Friend's permission, to circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the answer:

The number of houses built by the county council of Midlothian under the several Housing Acts and the districts in which they have been built are shown in the following table:

most harmful. I am informed that a considerable quatity of red wine is manufactured in Leith. I am awaiting medical reports on the subject.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that Leith is famous for its rejection of inferior red articles?

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that his party is pledged to deal with the drink question; and will he tell the House what steps he is going to take to stop the sale of this article which is doing real harm to these fine Scotsmen?

I have already in formed the House of the steps which I am prepared to take.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell the House what are the ingredients of red biddy?

Juvenile Offenders (Treatment)

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is now in a position to take action to deal with the recommendations of the Departmental Committee on the Treatment of Young Offenders in Scotland?

As regards recommendations which can be carried into effect administratively, the hon. Member is aware that Circulars have been issued by the Scottish Office and the Scottish Education Department. I have had under review other matters connected with the existing arrangements for the after-care of young offenders, and I hope shortly to be in a position to institute various administrative improvements. As regards recommendations involving legislation, I hope in due course to introduce legislation amending the Children Act, 1908, and dealing with probation and other matters. A Probation Bill for Scotland has been drafted, but the date of its introduction must depend upon the state of Parliamentary business.

Does the right hon. Gentleman remember that he gave me precisely the same answer last July?

Will the right hon. Gentleman tell us exactly what he means by "in due course," as it is very important that these recommendations should be carried out as soon as possible?

I am unaware, at the moment, of what question was put to me by the hon. Member in July, but, in my answer, I have gone very carefully into the position, and told the hon. Member exactly what I am prepared to do.

Economic Advisory Council

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether it is the intention of the Government that the new Economic Advisory Council shall, as its first and most urgent task, deal with the problem of the prevention of unemployment?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave last Thursday to a similar question by "the hon. and gallant Member for Gainsborough (Captain Crookshank), of which I am sending him a copy.

Does the Prime Minister not feel that the question of unem- ployment is by far the most important question before the country at the present time?

The hon. Member might assume that from the reply that I have given.

Austria (Loan)

48.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether there are now no political difficulties in the way of the issue of the new Austrian loan; if he can state when he contemplates the loan shall be placed upon the money market; and if, as the recent economic progress of Austria has been satisfactory, with a profit balance in its national balance sheet during recent years, he will do everything possible to facilitate industrial and agricultural development in Austria through the League of Nations?

So far as I am aware, there are now no political difficulties in the way of the issue of the proposed new Austrian loan; the question when the issue should take place is one for the decision of the Austrian Government in consultation with the financial institutions concerned. I cannot make a statement on that matter or on the matter referred to in the last part of the question.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the substantial economic progress made by this small country during the last few years, and will he use his influence at the League of Nations to facilitate this loan as far as he possibly can?

I am well aware of the economic progress of Austria during the last few years, and I am glad of it, but this is a matter of the internal policy of Austria, and I cannot interfere.

Government Property (Sale)

49.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can state approximately the considerations which led him to set up a Committee to inquire into the possibility of the sale of Government lands and property?

The Committee referred to was appointed because the Government considered it desirable that the present allocation of Government properties should be examined with a view to liberating any available properties for full economic development.

That will depend, I suppose, upon the result of the Committee's Report.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether any members of the Labour party have been appointed on the Committee?

In appointing these Committees, I try to find men who possess knowledge of the subject to be considered. I do not inquire into their politics, but I have sometimes discovered afterwards that members of the Committee do belong to the Labour party and that they have the essential knowledge and qualifications.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if any of the members he has appointed are members of the Surveyors' and Valuers' Institution?

Is the right hon. Gentleman of opinion that it is only gentlemen on the other side who have specialised knowledge and qualifications?

Safeguarding And Import Duties

Manchester Chamber Of Commerce

50.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware of the fact that the meeting held in King Street, Manchester, on 13th January, which requested him to continue the existing Excise and Import Duties, was the monthly meeting of the directors of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce, and was attended by 23 prominent business men of Lancashire; and whether, in view of the importance and representative character of this meeting and in the interest of employment in Lancashire, he will make an immediate pronouncement to the effect that these duties will be retained?

Is it the right hon. Gentleman's view that his is the only opinion of any value?

No. In this matter, the opinion that I expressed is shared by the president and executive of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce, who have expressed their gratitude to me for the statement that I made last December. In that statement, they say that I have gone out of my way to meet them, and have gone as far as it is possible for me to go. May I, while answering that question, express my gratitude to the right hon. Member for calling my attention to the fact that the resolution to which he refers in his question received only 14 votes out of 23 members present?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that that is a majority vote, and, further, is he aware that the President of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce has condemned in no uncertain voice the policy of the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

The president of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce wrote to me on the 24th December, and, instead of condemning my action, he said:

"The Chamber recognises that precedent makes it impossible for you to declare in advance whether the Budget would propose any such disturbance. Short of this, we consider that you have gone out of your way to make a statement designed to mitigate as far as possible the detrimental effects of the uncertainty which exists, and we would add that we welcome your statement, which will enable trade to continue operations to a far greater extent than would be possible in the absence of any such statement. It is recognised that the departure from precedent much have caused you considerable anxiety, and the Chamber is grateful to you."

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that that letter is completely out of date and that the Chamber of Commerce has altered its opinion since?

It appears that 14 persons out of 23 have expressed a somewhat different view, but I am prepared to abide by the statement of the president of the Chamber of Commerce in this letter.

Silk Industry

52.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he has received representations as to the Silk Duties from the Silk Association of Great Britain and Ireland; and if he will state the nature of these representations and what reply he has made to this association representing the whole silk trade?

I have received a resolution from the Silk Association urging that the Silk Duties should not be removed. The communication has been acknowledged.

Is the right hon. Gentlemen aware that the Prime Minister last week stated that the right hon. Gentleman had taken into consultation all the organisations interested; and may I ask whether he has taken into consultation the Silk Association of Great Britain?

I have not taken the Silk Association into consultation. Their views are well known.

Does the right hon. Gentleman consider that the only point of view to be considered is that of the President of the Manchester Chamber of Commerce?

Income Tax

51.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will take steps to expedite the repayment of claims for refund of tax in the Euston No. 1 district and also reform the system so as to obviate the collection of tax from exempted bodies, presumably involving commission for collection and further cost involved in the repayment?

If my hon. Friend will give me particulars of any case in which there has been undue delay in refunding tax under a repayment claim, I will cause inquiry to be made and communicate the result to him in due course.

53.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the approximate gross annual value of lands and other property assessed to Income Tax under Schedule A for the year 1928–29, and the yield of Income Tax thereon for the same year?

The gross income assessed under Schedule A for the year 1928–29 is estimated at £415,000,000. The total yield of Income Tax cannot be divided by Schedules, and I am unable therefore to give the yield of tax corresponding to this assessment.

60.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether inspectors of taxes are acting under instructions in applying to local councils for certified copies of the valuation lists under the Rating and Valuation Act; and, if so, whether he can state for what purpose these applications are being made and to what use it is intended to put the information so obtained?

It is a regular and long-established practice for inspectors of taxes to obtain fram rating authorities extracts from the ratebooks or valuation lists, and no special instructions have been issued in this connection. The information is essential for the purpose of ensuring that all new and altered properties are duly brought into charge for Income Tax.