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Business Of The House

Volume 236: debated on Thursday 6 March 1930

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May I ask the Prime Minister what the business will be for next week, and how late he pro poses that the House should sit to-night?

Monday, Supply (Second Allotted Day), Civil Estimates and Estimates for the Revenue Departments, 1930—Vote on Account—Report stage. It is understood that the question of Unemployment will be discussed.

Tuesday, Coal Mines Bill, Committee.

Wednesday, Army and Air Force Supplementary Estimates in Committee, with the Report stage of Supplementary Estimates taken on 6th March. If there is time, further stages of the Land Drainage (Scotland) Bill.

Thursday, Discussion of the Censure Motion on the Paper in the names of the right hon. Member for Bewdley (Mr. S. Baldwin) and the right hon. Member for Epping (Mr. Churchill); Report Stage of the Army and Air Force Supplementary Estimates.

On any day, should time permit, other Orders may be taken.

With regard to the business to-day, as I indicated last Monday, we must for administrative reasons dispose of our outstanding financial business without delay, and I should propose to take what is on the Paper during the sitting tonight.

I do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman has examined the Votes himself, but there are under the Post Office Vote a number of questions of very great importance, and it is the same in regard to the Overseas Trade Vote, and I think it would be quite impossible to get a full discussion of these subjects in which I suggest is an unreasonable time.

I think that a good deal depends upon what Ruling is given. I am not sure myself—and I am not expressing any opinion—what the Chairman of Committees may deem desirable and necessary to rule. Within the strict limit of the Supplementary Votes I do not think that there are very many questions which can be raised.

I should like to raise a point of Order, which I would not have raised if the right hon. Gentleman had not intended to take the whole of these Supplementary Estimates. I should like to draw your attention, Mr. Speaker, to the fact that there is a discrepancy between these Votes as they appear in the Blue Paper and the White Paper. Class G, Vote 4, as it appears on the White Paper, was down on the Blue Paper as Class 6, Vote 14. I should like to ask whether the Blue Paper is not the authentic paper of Parliament. In that ease, this Vote cannot be taken to-day.

Before you give your decision, Mr. Speaker, may I explain that it is purely a printer's error?

Division No. 214.]

AYES.

[3.53 p.m.

Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West)Bondfield, Rt. Hon. MargaretCocks, Frederick Seymour.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock)Bowen, J. W.Cove, William G.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W.Daggar, George
Alpass, J. H.Brockway, A. FennerDallas, George
Ammon, Charles GeorgeBromfield, WilliamDalton, Hugh
Angell, NormanBrothers, M.Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton)
Arnott, JohnBrown, Ernest (Leith)Day, Harry
Attlee, Clement RichardBrown, James (Ayr and Bute)Denman, Hon. R. D.
Ayles, WalterBrown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West)Dukes, C.
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Burgess, F. G.Duncan, Charles
Barnes, Alfred JohnBuxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland)Ede, James Chuter
Batey, JosephBuxton, Rt. Hon. Noel (Norfolk, N.)Edmunds, J. E.
Beckett, John (Camberwell, Peckham)Cameron, A. G.Edwards, E. (Morpeth)
Bellamy, AlbertCape, ThomasEgan, W. H.
Benn, Rt. Hon. WedgwoodCarter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Elmley, Viscount
Bennett, Captain E. N. (Cardiff, Central)Charleton, H. C.England, Colonel A.
Bennett, William (Battersea, South)Chater, DanielFoot, Isaac
Benson, G.Clarke, J. S.Freeman, Peter
Bentham, Dr. EthelCluse, W. S.Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale)Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)

As soon as we discovered it, the attention of the other parties were drawn to it. Of course, if a strict interpretation of the technical Rule is to be taken, undoubtedly, the Blue Paper is the authoritative one. That would mean that the Vote would have to be put down again and added to the next day's financial business.

Technically speaking, of course, notice has to be given of a Vote; otherwise, it cannot be taken. The proper Parliamentary Paper is the Blue Paper. I understand that it is not a printer's error, but that it was an error in the original Paper that was handed in at the Table. That was the mistake. If the House insists on abiding strictly by the technical Rule, the Vote cannot be taken to-day, but the House may think it advisable, under the circumstances, not to insist upon a strict reading of the Rule.

On the White Paper, my hon. Friend the Member for Holland-with-Boston (Mr. Blindell) has a Motion down, and, as he has received the Blue Paper, it will be scarcely fair to him to take the Vote in his absence. He has had his Motion down for several weeks.

If there is anything of that kind involved, it will be best to abide by the technical Rule and not take the Vote to-day.

Motion made, and Question put,

"That the Proceedings in Committee of Supply and on Report of Supply [3rd March] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 271; Noes, 159.

George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn)Lowth, ThomasSandham, E.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)Lunn, WilliamSawyer, G. F.
Gibbins, JosephMacdonald, Gordon (Ince)Scott, James
Gibson, H. M. (Lance, Mossley)MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham)Scrymgeour, E.
Gillett, George M.MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)Scurr, John
Glassey, A. E.McElwee, A.Sexton, James
Gossling, A. G.McEntee, V. L.Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Gould, F.McKinlay, A.Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)MacLaren, AndrewShepherd, Arthur Lewis
Granville, E.Maclean, Sir Donald (Cornwall, N.)Sherwood, G. H.
Gray, MilnerMacNeill-Weir, L.Shield, George William
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne).McShane, John JamesShields, Dr. Drummond
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton)Shillaker, J. F.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool)Mansfield, W.Shinwell, E.
Groves, Thomas E.March, S.Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Grundy, Thomas W.Marcus, M.Simmons, C. J.
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton)Markham, S. F.Sinkinson, George
Hall, G. H Merthyr Tydvil)Marley, J.Sitch, Charles H.
Hall, Capt. W. P. (Portsmouth, C.)Marshall, FredSmith, Alfred (Sunderland)
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn)Mathers, GeorgeSmith, Ben (Bermondsey), Rotherhithe)
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)Matters, L. W.Smith, Frank (Nuneaten)
Hardie, George D.Maxton, JamesSmith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Harris, Percy A.Messer, FredSmith, Rennie (Penistone)
Haycock, A. W.Middleton, G.Smith, Tom (Pontetract)
Hayday, ArthurMillar, J. D.Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Hayes, John HenryMilner, J.Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley)Montague, FrederickSorensen, R.
Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow)Morgan, Dr. H. B.Stamford, Thomas W.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Morley, RalphStephen, Campbell
Herriotts, J.Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Hirst, G. H. (York W. R. Wentworth)Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South)Strachey, E. J. St. Loe
Hoffman, P. C.Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)Strauss, G. R.
Hollins, A.Mort, D. L.Sullivan, J.
Hopkin, DanielMoses, J. J. H.Sutton, J. E.
Hore-Belisha, LeslieMosley, Lady C. (Stoke-on-Trent)Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Horrabin, J. F.Mosley, Sir Oswald (Smethwick)Taylor, W. B. (Norfo k, S. W.)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield)Muggeridge, H. T.Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Hunter, Dr. JosephNathan, Major H. L.Thorne, W. (West Ham. Plaistow)
Hutchison, Maj.-Gen. Sir R.Naylor, T. E.Thurtle, Ernest
Isaacs, GeorgeNoel Baker, P. J.Tillett, Ben
Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath)Oldfield, J. R.Tinker, John Joseph
John, William (Rhondda, West)Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Toole, Joseph
Johnston, ThomasOliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)Tout, W. J.
Jones, F. Llewellyn- (Flint)Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Townend, A. E.
Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown)Palin, John HenryTrevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne)Paling, WilfridTurner, B.
Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Vaughan, D. J.
Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd)Perry, S. F.Viant, S. P.
Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W.Peters, Dr. Sidney JohnWalker, J.
Kelly, W. T.Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.Wallace, H. W.
Kennedy, ThomasPhillips, Dr. MarionWallhead, Richard C.
Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.Pole, Major D. G.Watkins, F. C.
Kinley, J.Potts, John S.Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Knight, HolfordPrice, M. P.Wellock, Wilfred
Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton)Pybus, Percy JohnWelsh, James (Paisley)
Lang, GordonQuibell, D. J. K.Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge)
Lansbury, Rt. Hon. GeorgeRamsay, T. B. WilsonWest, F. R.
Law, A. (Rosendale)Rathbone, EleanorWhite, H. G.
Lawrence, SusanRaynes, W. R.Whiteley, Wilfrid (Blrm, Ladywood)
Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge)Richards, R.Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Lawson, John JamesRichardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)Riley, Ben (Dewsbury)Wilson C. H. (Sheffield. Attercliffe)
Leach, W.Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Lee, Frank (Derby. N. E.)Ritson, J.Winterton, G. E.(Lelcester, Loughb'gh)
Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern)Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)Wise, E. F.
Lees, J.Romerll, H. G.Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Lewis, T. (Southampton)Rosbotham, D. S. T.Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Lloyd, C. EllisRowson, Guy
Logan, David GilbertRunciman, Rt. Hon. Walter

TELLERS FOR THE AYES.

Longbottom, A. W.Salter, Dr. AlfredMr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Longden, F.Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)Whiteley.
Lovat-Fraser, J. A.Sanders, W. S.

NOES.

Ainsworth, Lieut.-Col. CharlesBalfour, George (Hampstead)Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.
Albery, Irving JamesBeamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H.Boyce, H. L.
Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S.Beaumont, M. W.Bracken, B.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W.Bellairs, Commander CarlyonBrown, Col. D. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham)
Astor, ViscountessBerry, Sir GeorgeBrown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y)
Atholl, Duchess ofBirchall, Major Sir John DearmanBuckingham, Sir H.
Atkinson, C.Bird, Ernest RoyBullock, Captain Malcolm
Baillie-Hamilton, Hon. Charles W.Boothby, R. J. G.Burton, Colonel H. W.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley)Bourne, Captain Robert Croft.Butler, R. A.

Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardHamilton, Sir George (Ilford)Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Carver, Major W. H.Hammersley, S. S.Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Castle Stewart, Earl ofHannon, Patrick Joseph HenryRoss, Major Ronald D.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City)Hartington, Marquess ofRuggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A.
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.)Haslam, Henry C.Russell, Auexander West (Tynemouth)
Cazalet, Captain Victor A.Henderson, Capt. R. R.(Oxf'd, Henley)Salmon, Major I.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.)Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Chapman, Sir S.Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K.Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Christie, J. A.Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Colman, N. C. D.Hurd, Percy A.Savery, S. S.
Colville, Major D. J.Iveagh, Countess ofShepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Courtauld, Major J. S.Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)Simms, Major-General J.
Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L.King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D.Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Hallam)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H.Knox, Sir AlfredSmith-Carington, Neville W.
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro)Lamb, Sir J. Q.Smithers, Waldron
Croom-Johnson, R. P.Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak)Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cunlilffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir PhilipLeighton, Major B. E. P.Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Davies, Dr. VernonLewis, Oswald (Colchester)Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil)Llewellin, Major J. J.Spender-Clay, Colonel H.
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.)Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. GodfreyStanley, Maj. Hon. O. (W'morland)
Dawson, Sir PhilipLocker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th)Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur
Duckworth, G. A. V.Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.)Stewart, W. J. (Belfast South)
Dugdale, Capt. T. L.MacRobert, Rt. Hon. Alexander M.Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Eden, Captain AnthonyMakins, Brigadier-General E.Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Elliot, Major Walter E.Margesson, Captain H. D.Train, J.
Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s-M.)Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Everard, W. LindsayMoore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond)Turton, Robert Hugh
Falle, Sir Bertram G.Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr)Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Ferguson, Sir JohnMorrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Fermoy, LordMorrison-Bell, Sir Arthur CliveWard, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Fison, F. G. ClaveringMuirhead, A. J.Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Ford, Sir P. J.Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)Warrender, Sir Victor
Forestier-Walker, Sir L.Nicholson, O. (Westminster)Wells, Sydney R.
Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G.(Ptrsf'ld)Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Ganzonl, Sir JohnNield, Rt. Hon. Sir HerbertWindsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Gibson, C. G. (Pudsey & Otley)Oman, Sir Charles William C.Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Gower, Sir RobertO'Neill, Sir H.Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Grace, JohnOrmsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. WilliamWomersley, W. J.
Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)Peake, Captain OsbertWood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.Pilditch, Sir PhilipWorthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L.
Greaves-Lord, Sir WalterPownall, Sir AsshetonWright, Brig.-Gen. W. D. (Tavist'k)
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. JohnRamsbotham, H.Young, Rt. Hon. Sir Hilton
Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.Rawson, Sir Cooper
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H.Reynolds, Col. Sir James

TELLERS FOR THE NOES.

Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich)Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)Major Sir George Hennessy and
Sir Frederick Thomson.