House Of Commons
Tuesday, 18th March, 1930.
The House met at a Quarter before Three of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.
Private Business
Private Bills [ Lords] (Standing Orders not previously inquired into complied with),
Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in the case of the following Bills, originating in the Lords, and referred on the First Reading thereof, the Standing Orders not previously inquired into, which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, namely:
Bromborough Dock Bill [ Lords].
Shakespeare Birthplace, etc., Trust (Amendment) Bill [ Lords].
Falmouth Water Bill [ Lords] (Certified Bill).
Bills to be read a Second time.
Provisional Order Bills (Standing Orders applicable thereto complied with),
Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in the case of the following Bill, referred on the First Reading thereof, the Standing Orders, which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, namely:
Ministry of Health Provisional Order (Blandford Forum Extension) Bill.
Bill to be read a Second time To-morrow.
Private Bills [ Lords] (Petition for additional Provision) (Standing Orders not complied with),
Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in the case of the Petition for additional Provision in the following Bill, originating in the Lords, the Standing Orders have not been complied with, namely:
Middlesex County Council Bill [ Lords].
Report referred to the Select Committee on Standing Orders.
Great Western Railway Bill (Certified Bill),
As amended, considered; King's Consent signified; Bill read the Third time (pursuant to the Order of the House of 11th December), and passed.
Leeds Corporation Bill,
As amended, considered; to be read the Third time.
Catholic Schools, Hull
I am desired to present to this Honourable House a Petition from 1,000 Catholic voters in the City of Hull in which they state:
"Whereas the changes proposed to be introduced into elementary schools are so great and the cost so enormous that local education authorities will be unable to face them without financial help from the Government; that a promise has been given to the local authorities that 50 to 70 per centum of the expense will be borne by the Government; that this promise does not apply to Catholic schools but Catholic schools will have to bear the entire cost themselves; that this treatment will deal a very heavy blow to the interests of the Catholics throughout the country; and, that the Catholic schools may be treated as other elementary schools are treated. Your petitioners will ever humbly pray."
As the Petition relates to a grant of public money, I would point out to the hon. and gallant Gentleman that the King's Recommendation is required.
Oral Answers To Questions
Mercantile Marine
Chinese Crews
1.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is aware that the eight steamships of the America-Levant Line and the 19 motor ships of the Silver Line, all on the British register, employ Chinese crews in all departments; and whether he proposes to take any action to remedy this state of affairs in view of the prevalent unemployment amongst British seamen?
I am informed that the steamships of the America-Levant Line, Limited, do not carry Chinese seamen. Those motor ships of the Silver Line which are in commission carry Chinese crews. I understand that these vessels are employed in trading continuously abroad, mainly in tropical waters, and do not ordinarily return to the United Kingdom. With regard to the last part of the question, I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the answer that was given him on the 11th March.
Is it a fact that a great number of these ships, British registered and flying the British flag and trading between these ports, necessarily have to employ foreign seamen?
I would require notice of that question.
Officers' Certificates (Examinations)
2.
asked the President of the Board of Trade, whether his attention has been called to the present shortage of junior officers in the British mercantile marine; if he is aware that among the reasons put forward for this alleged shortage is the severity of the theoretical examinations for officers' certificates which many practical and experienced seamen find difficult to pass; and whether he will have this matter investigated?
I am glad to say that, according to my information, unemployment among officers of the British mercantile marine has diminished during the past few months, but I am not aware that there is any general shortage. The numbers of certificates issued give no ground for thinking that the standard of the Board's examinations is unduly high, and as the whole system was recently investigated by a representative committee whose recommendations have been accepted by the Board I do not think any further investigation is necessary at present.
Coal And Oil Fuel (Statistics)
14.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will state the total tonnage of British merchant marine registered under the Board of Trade rules constructed in 1929 to burn oil only, to burn coal only, and to burn both coal and oil, and the corresponding figure for 1913?
The information is not available in the form desired by the hon. Member, but the following figures may be of service to him:
Tons. | |
Total ships launched in this country in 1929 | 1,522,623 |
(About 86 per cent. of this tonnage was for registration under the British flag.) | |
Of this motor ships totalled | 464,188 |
Steamers fitted to burn oil under boilers totalled | 306,000 |
Of the last named, a considerable proportion can with slight alteration burn coal instead of oil and some do in fact burn coal, but figures are not available to show how much of this tonnage is actually burning coal or oil at any one time. Figures for 1913 similar to those given for 1929 are not available.
Is it not certain that the merchant marine will all be burning oil in the future and that the coal trade will perish?
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that if the Coal Bill becomes law it will give a further incentive—
That appears to be an entirely hypothetical question.
Trade And Commerce
Tariff Truce
4.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what Foreign Powers have, since the date when he made his appeal at Geneva for a tariff truce, increased, or proposed increases in, their Customs duties on goods exported from Great Britain?
I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the reply given on 11th February to the hon. Member for Farnham (Mr. A. M. Samuel), of which I am sending him a copy.
Do the other countries, including the Dominions which have rejected the proposals of the Government, intend to continue attending the Conference?
As the hon. and gallant Gentleman knows, my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade has been at Geneva, and he is returning from there to-day.
Russian Timber Imports (Forced Labour)
10.
asked the President of the Board of Trade, in view of the technical objection that may be raised if an information is laid against a cargo of timber arriving from one of the large Soviet detention camps that these camps are not prisons, gaols, houses of correction, or penitentiaries within the meaning of the Act of 1897, whether the Government will extend the Act to all places where men or women are detained and compelled to work without other remuneration than food?
I am afraid no undertaking can be given to introduce legislation to amend the Act in the direction the hon. and gallant Member desires.
Would it not be desirable to abolish work of this character in East Africa before we begin to apply these Regulations to other countries?
Can the subject be raised at the League of Nations?
Leather and Fabric Gloves.
The following data have been furnished by the Joint Industrial Council for the Glove-making Industry and relate, in the case of Leather Gloves to firms that employed, in 1924, 88 per cent. of the total number of cutters in the Leather Glove Industry, and in the case of Fabric Gloves, to firms that employed, in 1924, 82 per cent. of the total number of cutters in the Fabric Glove industry.
Month. | Leather Gloves. | Fabric Gloves. | |||||
Number of gloves cut. | Average number of workers employed.* | Number of gloves cut. | Average number of workers employed.* | ||||
1929— | |||||||
October | … | … | … | 51,042 | 9,228 | 15,545 | 1,233 |
November | … | … | … | 61,496 | 9,160 | 19,463 | 1,179 |
December | … | … | … | 40,866 | 9,049 | 12,412 | 1,183 |
* Including outworkers. |
I will consider that point.
Safeguarded Industries (Employment And Output)
5.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will state what has been the course of employment and output since October, 1929, in the leather glove, fabric glove, silk, artificial silk, cutlery, hollow-ware, and motor-car industries?
All the information for which the hon. and gallant Member asks is not available, but I will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT such particulars as I have regarding employment and output since October, 1929, in the industries mentioned. The data in respect of hollow-ware are not yet available, but they will be sent to the hon. and gallant Member as soon as they are received.
Would it not be a great deal better to have this information circulated; and is the hon. Gentleman aware that I put down a question last week asking for certain information which is wanted in regard to these tariffs, and we were told that we could not have it; and may I suggest that it would be a great deal better if the facts were made public?
Will the hon. Gentleman give information with regard to the other safeguarded industries at the same time?
I shall be pleased to give any information that is asked for.
Following is the information:
Motor Cars.
Production.—Monthly data are not available.
Employment.—Motor Vehicles, Cycles and Aircraft (Construction and Repair) Trades (Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
Number of insured workers at July 1929 (ages 16–64) | 245,410 |
Number recorded as unemployed. | |||||||
— | Wholly unemployed (including Casuals). | Temporary Stoppages. | Total. | ||||
1929— | |||||||
October 21st | … | … | … | … | 15,185 | 4,524 | 19,709 |
November 25th | … | … | … | … | 15,068 | 2,839 | 17,907 |
December 16th | … | … | … | … | 14,891 | 2,926 | 17,817 |
1930— | |||||||
January 27th | … | … | … | … | 16,017 | 2,948 | 18,965 |
February 24th | … | … | … | … | 17,208 | 4,805 | 22,013 |
Silk and Artificial Silk. | |||||||
Production, etc., Great Britain and Northern Ireland. | |||||||
Month. | Silk* (Deliveries for Home Consumption). | Artificial Silk (Production of Yarn and Waste). | |||||
1929— | Thousand lbs. | Thousand lbs. | |||||
October | … | … | … | … | … | 287·9 | 5,781·4 |
November | … | … | … | … | … | 299·1 | 5,418·3 |
December | … | … | … | … | … | 219·5 | 3,983·7 |
1930— | |||||||
January | … | … | … | … | … | 304·9 | 4,882·1 |
* The silk content of the cocoons and waste has been estimated at one-third of their full-weights. |
Employment.
Silk and Artificial Silk Trades (Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
Number of Insured Workers at July, 1929 (ages 16–64) | 73,860 |
Number recorded as Unemployed. | |||||||
— | Wholly unemployed (including casuals). | Temporary Stoppages. | Total. | ||||
1929— | |||||||
October 21st | … | … | … | … | 4,240 | 2,768 | 7,008 |
November 25th | … | … | … | … | 4,170 | 4,677 | 8,847 |
December 16th | … | … | … | … | 4,461 | 5,414 | 9,875 |
1930— | |||||||
January 27th | … | … | … | … | 5,086 | 9,097 | 14,183 |
February 24th | … | … | … | … | 5,520 | 11,031 | 16,551 |
Cutlery.—No information regarding production and employment is available. |
Indian Cotton Duties
11.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can give any further information regarding the proposed increases in the Indian cotton duties?
No, Sir, I can add nothing to the information which was given to the House last Thursday in the reply to a question by the hon. Member for Stockport (Mr. Hammersley), of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy.
What steps have the Government already taken in this matter?
As I said in my answer last week, the Government have already made representations to the Indian Government and pointed out the very serious effect which the new duties would have upon Lancashire, and the matter has been considered by the Indian Government, due and full regard being naturally paid to the claims of the Indian people.
Has this legislation passed any of its stages in the Indian Legislature?
I understand that it is still before the legislative body.
Are we to take it that there is still time to make further representations on the Amendment which has been put down?
The hon. Member knows from the answer which I gave to him last week, the decision to which the Government have come on the matter, and I can add nothing.
Is it not a fact that in that reply of last week the hon. Gentleman said that it was understood that the matter—
The Minister has already replied.
Import Duties, Australia
12.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he proposes to make any representations with reference to the proposal of the Government of Australia to impose a Super-tax on imports into that Dominion, with a view to obtaining relief from its operation in respect of British imports?
I have no information of any specific proposals of this kind having yet been made by His Majesty's Government in the Commonwealth of Australia. If and when such proposals are put forward, I will consider in consultation with the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs what representations, if any, can usefully be made.
Imported Fuel Oil
13.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the amount, in tons, of oil suitable for combustion as fuel oil imported into Great Britain in 1928 and 1929?
The quantity of fuel oil imported into this country is recorded in the trade returns by gallons only, and owing to the varying densities of fuel oil a precise statement of the tonnage imported is not available. The total imports of fuel oil into Great Britain and Northern Ireland amounted to 450,876,000 gallons in 1928 and to 406,696,000 gallons in 1929, the latter figure being provisional.
Cinematograph Films Act
9.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will consider introducing legislation to amend the Cinematograph Films Act, 1927, with a view to the more effective attainment of its object by increasing the quota on distributors of 25 per cent. of British product, while removing it altogether from the exhibitor and taking off all restrictions as to what shall be a British picture except that it shall be 75 per cent. produced in the United Kingdom by British subjects or by a British company; and that at least £12,000 must be spent upon such a picture?
As my right hon. Friend has already stated, no hope of fresh legislation on this subject in the near future can be held out.
In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the reply, I wish to give notice that I shall raise this matter on the Adjournment at an early date.
Afforestation (Employment)
16.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade, as re- presenting the Forestry Commissioners, what is the number of men at present employed by the Commissioners; and whether any discharges have taken place during the last three months and can he give the numbers?
The number of persons at present employed by the Forestry Commissioners is 3,595. During the last three months 125 were discharged and not re-engaged, but the number employed has increased by 670 during that period.
British Army
Death Penalty (Officers)
18.
asked the Secretary of State for War how many British officers were shot in the late War in execution of sentences by courts-martial for cowardice or desertion?
During the late War, two officers were shot for desertion and one officer was shot for murder and desertion. No officers were shot for cowardice.
Recruiting
19.
asked the Secretary of State for War what action he proposes to take to rectify the decline in the number of persons recruited into the Army during last year?
Bad recruiting periods recur from time to time, and there is no sovereign remedy for them. But I can assure the right hon. Member that the problem of maintaining the strength of the Army is engaging the constant attention of the Army Council.
Has the right hon. Gentleman recently considered the advisability of issuing a smarter uniform?
No, Sir.
Will he not do so; and does he not think that youths of 17 or 18 are greatly attracted by smart clothes?
I have no immediate intention of taking that suggestion into consideration.
Why, when a not unreasonable suggestion is put forward, should the right hon. Gentleman not give it courteous consideration?
Because it is not the time at questions to have a discussion as to the advisability of one form of uniform as against another.
Wall the right hon. Gentleman consider putting all the Army into kilts?
Does the right hon. Gentleman think that he can get recruits without lowering the standard?
I shall make a statement to-morrow about the standard, concerning which there are some regrettable features, I am afraid.
Was this question not considered on many occasions by the previous Government, who decided not to make any change?
Woolwich Arsenal
20.
asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether he can now make a further statement concerning the Government's proposals to institute short time at Woolwich Arsenal?
No, Sir; I am not in a position to make any further statement at present.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the grave anxiety which the Government's action has caused in Woolwich; and can he say when he will be in a position to make a statement?
If there is any anxiety, I hope to remove it shortly.
Will the hon. Gentleman in the interval consult the borough authorities and the trade unions concerned?
I am in constant communication and negotiation with the representatives of the workers, and, if the borough authorities want to see me, I shall be very glad to see them.
Scotland
Housing Subsidy, Glasgow
21.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that the usual subsidy of £9 per house was exceeded by the Glasgow Corporation and £11 per house offered to a private firm, and that this offer was increased by the corporation to £12 10s. per house; and whether he will take steps to protect the public funds in this regard?
The amount of subsidy payable by a local authority to private builders in terms of the Housing (Financial Provisions) Act, 1924, is a matter primarily for the decision of the local authority. They are not limited to a payment of £9, which is the amount of the State contribution, but may increase that sum by a payment from local rates. In the case of Glasgow, the original scheme of assistance framed by the corporation with the approval of the Department of Health for Scotland fixed the rate at £13 10s. per house. Later this rate was reduced to £9, and the approval of the Department was given on 9th October last. Prior to that date the corporation granted subsidy in two instances at the rate of £12 10s. per house. As this rate was not in accordance with that specified in the approved scheme, steps were taken by the Department to ensure that in future the approved rate will not be departed from without their prior approval. I am informed that the corporation have never offered £11 per house to a private firm.
In view of the powers that are disclosed over the Glasgow Corporation in this matter, is it not within the power of the hon. Gentleman to use these powers to prevent them using slates which are not quarried in Scotland?
Has the hon. Gentleman any control over the rental of these houses, in view of the considerable reduction in their cost?
That does not arise out of the question.
Poor Law Relief
22.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the total amount of money paid for indoor and outdoor relief, respectively, in Scotland for the year 1929?
The total expenditure in Scotland for the year ended the 15th May, 1929, on indoor relief was £753,727 and on outdoor relief £2,886,787. These figures exclude the amount expended in respect of the lunatic poor.
Roads Expenditure, Fife
23.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has received a protest from the small burghs in the county of Fife with respect to the increased burden the ratepayers of these burghs will have to bear through the expenditure on classified roads in the county being allocated on the basis of the rateable valuation of the landward areas and small burghs; and what steps he proposes to take to relieve these ratepayers of their burdens?
The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The method of allocating the expenditure to which my hon. Friend refers is prescribed by Section 21 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1929, and can be altered only by legislation. The ratepayers will be wholly relieved of any consequent loss during 1930–31 and the four following years out of the Supplementary Exchequer Grant or other source in accordance with Section 60 of the Act; and this relief will be continued to a gradually lessening extent during subsequent years. In view of Section 72 of the Act, which provides for an investigation before the expiry of seven years into the rules which regulate inter alia the determination of sums to be allocated to small burghs, any proposals for legislation would be at present premature.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that almost half of the valuation of the county is in the burghs, whereas only a small proportion of the roads are in the burghs; and does he think it is fair that the small burghs should be called upon to bear such a large proportion of the expenditure on the county roads?
Do the burgh inhabitants never use the county roads?
Agriculture
24.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has any proposals to make to relieve the plight of Scottish agriculture?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave last Tuesday to a question on this subject by the hon. and gallant Member for Caithness and Sutherland (Sir A. Sinclair).
Has the attention of the right hon. Gentleman been called to the resolutions which have been passed at a series of mass meetings of agriculturists in the north of Scotland recently; and, in view of the urgency of the problem and the critical condition of the industry, when will he expect to be in a position to make a full statement of the intentions of the Government?
I want to state, quite frankly, that I have had my attention called to the demonstrations that have taken place in various parts of Scotland. During the time I have filled the position which I now occupy, I have been taking a considerable number of steps that will benefit agriculture. My hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen and Kincardine (Mr. Boothby) may be interested to learn that the farmers in his constituency have benefited by an order which we have issued regarding the grading and marking of meat. This has raised the sale from his own part of the country in Smithfield of graded and national marked beef from 539 sides per week to no less than 2,406.
Is it not a fact that these grading proposals were first produced by the late Government, and does the right hon. Gentleman not realise that they in themselves are totally inadequate to meet the requirements of agriculture.
These are matters for debate, and we had better put off this discussion to a more convenient date.
Margarine (Imported Oils)
26.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that imports to Scotland of oleo oil and oleo stearine used in margarine must be accompanied by a certificate that the fat was derived from an animal free from disease; whether he is aware that no such health regulations are observed on imports to England; whether any Scottish authorities have complained of their precaution being defeated by imports via England; and whether he will make any representations on the subject to the Government?
I am aware that the practice in this matter at Scottish ports differs from that observed at English ports, and my right hon. Friend is in consultation with the Minister of Health on the subject, with a view to securing the adoption of a common practice.
Are we to understand that there is no protection for English ports from oils of this description?
I cannot answer questions relating to English ports; I can only answer questions dealing with the protection afforded to Scottish ports.
What is the precise difference between the two positions to which the hon. Gentleman refers?
In the Scottish ports importation is only permitted if it is accompanied by a medical certificate that the oils are produced from animals free from disease. As I understand it, no such medical certificate is insisted upon at the English ports.
May I ask if this oil is the product of General Charteris' Kadaver factory?
Foreign Trawlers (Moray Firth)
26.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether his attention has been drawn to the destruction of cod nets caused by foreign trawlers in the Moray Firth in the beginning of last week; whether he is aware that the nets were taken aboard the trawlers and deliberately cut away; whether he is making inquiries into the matter; and what steps he is taking to secure satisfaction to the fishermen and to protect them from further losses in the same way?
My attention has been drawn to this matter. I am informed that the loss sustained, though substantial, is not so extensive as some of the published statements would suggest. The damage occurred in an area away from the main cod net grounds during the week-end. No evidence has been received to support the suggestion that the damage was deliberately done by the foreign trawlers, but I am having full inquiries made into all the circumstances of the occurrence. The question whether any compensation can be recovered is receiving consideration. The patrol vessels have done everything possible to warn foreign trawlers of the presence of the anchored nets and are continuing to do so.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say what progress is being made with the proposal to try and stop the foreign trawlers coming in and interfering with the fishermen who are peacably carrying on their own calling?
As the presence of foreign trawlers in the Moray Firth, and other places where British trawlers are not allowed, is a continued outrage on the feelings of British fishermen, will the right hon. Gentleman not take steps to go to the League of Nations and get this matter put right?
I agree that it is a substantial cause of complaint, but it was a substantial cause of complaint when the hon. Gentleman and his friends were responsible for the Government of the country. It was a substantial cause of complaint then as well as now, but I would say, in reply to the hon. and gallant Member for Banff (Major Wood), that that phase of the question is receiving my earnest consideration.
New School, Falkirk (Wages)
27.
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that at a school being built in East Stirlingshire by the aid of a Government grant the fair wages clause is not being observed as regards certain building workers; and if he will take steps to see that standard wages are paid?
I assume that the hon. Member's question relates to the new Advanced Division school at Falkirk. I am informed that the contract includes a fair wages clause which, so far as the Education Authority are aware, is not being infringed. There are apparently two building employers' federations having members in the area and they have different rates. The execution of contracts for school building is a matter for local settlement and I have no power to intervene.
If the proper rate of wages is not being paid, cannot the hon. Member withhold the grant?
As a matter of fact, the grant is supplied in the general block and is not allocated to particular purposes.
As the hon. Gentleman has issued a letter advising the authorities to use home-grown timber and other home-produced materials, can he not issue a letter to the local authorities asking them to pay trade union wages?
In this case, the authority have the fair wages clause in the contract, but the question of the interpretation of it is a different matter.
But is the hon. Member aware that this is a case of definite evasion of the building trade union rates, and can he not take steps with the local authority to see that Government money is not used to pay lower wages?
The statement I have given is that which was supplied by the education authority, who say, specifically, that they are paying the trade union rate and observing the fair wages clause.
When did it become the policy of the hon. Gentleman to take the word of a Tory education authority as against the word of a trade union?
Harbour Improvements, Peterhead
53.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he can now state the intentions of the Government with regard to the scheme for deepening the Port Henry Dock and constructing a slipway at Peterhead?
The Development Commissioners have recommended, and the Treasury have sanctioned, a grant of £39,000 for this purpose, to include a sum of £14,000 previously sanctioned for the slipway alone, on condition that the harbour trustees raise an equivalent amount from other sources.
Unemployment
Statistics
28.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware of any special circumstances to which the recent increases in the numbers of the unemployed can be attributed?
Yes, Sir; one of the most important contributory causes is the uncertainty caused by the world-wide fall in the price of raw materials. Evidence of this is to be found in the recent heavy increase in unemployment in the cotton textile industry, which I regret to say is still continuing.
Does the right hon. Gentleman share the view expressed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer recently that this increase in unemployment is due to an organised conspiracy on the part of the business world?
Norfolk
29.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether any schemes likely to relieve unemployment in the county of Norfolk have been brought to his notice; and, if so, whether he will state their number and their nature?
The assistance from the Unemployment Grants Committee and from the Road Fund is given to the appropriate local authorities. If the hon. Member will advise me of the local authority areas in Norfolk for which he wishes this information, I will endeavour to supply it.
Woolwich
30.
asked the Lord Privy Seal the amount that has been approved, since June last to date, by way of grant by the Unemployment Grants Committee to the Borough of Woolwich for the relief of unemployment?
I would refer the right hon. Member to the replies given to him on this subject on 2nd and 16th December, 1929, 21st January, 27th February and 3rd March, 1930, to which I have nothing to add.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that these repeated inquiries were made to ascertain whether the borough council in question were obtaining any grants from the Unemployment Grants Committee to assist unemployment in the area; and is he also aware that, unfortunately, on each of the occasions to which he has referred, the answer he gave me was in the negative? Can the right hon. Gentleman do anything to assist the borough to induce the council to make some application in the matter?
It is not for the Government to do that. The Government set out certain terms and conditions, already explained to the House, which, happily, are accepted by most authorities, and I suggest that the right hon. Gentleman should persuade his own local authority to come into line with the majority of the municipalities of the country.
Is not the right hon. Gentleman aware that he flatters me too much; that I am afraid I have not the influence with the Socialist borough council which perhaps the right hon. Gentleman would have?
Armament Reductions (Displaced Workers)
31.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has any plans for the employment of displaced labour due to armament reductions?
I would refer the right hon. Gentleman to the reply which I gave on the 4th March to my hon. Friend the Member for Southampton (Mr. R. Morley).
Cannot the right hon. Gentleman go into this matter a little further? Is he aware that already in Woolwich the Government have indicated that there is a possibility of heavy discharges from the Arsenal, and cannot some special consideration be given in a matter of that kind?
I know nothing of the special circumstances of Woolwich, but the last answer I gave to this broad general question was that the Government could not take the responsibility of giving special consideration to any section of people unemployed. It would not be fair, it could not be administered, and I do not think the House would agree with it.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the extra labour at Woolwich Arsenal to be displaced in the near future will be in addition to the 100,000 which it was stated last month would be thrown out of work in the country as a whole?
That question ought to be put on the Paper.
Cannot the right hon. Gentleman reconsider the answer he has given and take into account those workpeople thrown out of work by the action of the Government?
Road Development Schemes (Loan)
33.
asked the Lord Privy Seal if he is prepared to support the raising of a loan based on the Road Fund for a national scheme of trunk road development?
I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given on the 11th March to the hon. Member for Newcastle, North (Sir N. Grattan-Doyle). I do not anticipate that there will be any difficulty in financing any road works, the undertaking of which can be justified by the requirements of the country.
Has the right hon. Gentleman's attention been called to this and other proposals contained in a book called "We can conquer unemployment" and does he propose to adopt any of them?
I gather that the object of the question is not to find means of getting the money, but to find the work. I have experienced no difficulty in finding money.
Do I understand that if it is necessary to raise a loan the right hon. Gentleman will be willing to do so for this purpose?
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman, if he is thinking of reading the work referred to, whether he will also read "Grimm's Fairy Tales"?
Canada (Minister's Visit)
34.
asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will indicate in detail what benefits are accruing to industry as a result of the representations made in connection with tonnage, and will he specify the particular tonnage; and will he state in detail what are the number of other benefits that have accrued as well, resulting from his trip to Canada?
In addition to a better understanding of the industrial position in this country, I have good reason to hope that my visit will lead to a material increase of trade between the two countries, particularly in coal and steel, but, apart from the order for bituminous coal (of which the House is already aware), the hon. Member will appreciate that it would be contrary to the interests of our trade to give information to the House as to the individual transactions which are taking place.
As we have had nothing but these hopes from the right hon. Gentleman does he not think the time has now come when he should put aside all thoughts of amour propre and ask the Chancellor of the Duchy to show him his plan so that the right hon. Gentlemen can give that plan a chance?
White Paper
36.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is now in a position to state when he will publish his promised White Paper relating to unemployment?
The White Paper is being presented to Parliament to-day, and will be issued in a day or two.
Coal Industry
Accident (Gateshead)
37.
asked the Secretary for Mines if he has received any report concerning the disaster at Fanny Pit, Gateshead; if any plans of previous workings in this area were available; and if he can take further action to ensure safety in areas in which old water-filled workings are believed to exist?
I have received a preliminary report on this accident, in which, I deeply regret to say, three persons lost their lives. The inrush of water occurred during the working of the Yard Seam in the second north district. A machineman was under-cutting in the coal when the jib of the coal-cutter holed through, and a large quantity of water came away. The coal was being worked to the rise, and the water came down the main haulage road and blocked it at a swelley, or undulation in the road. The deputy in charge of the district collected all the men he could, and they came out safely along a second outlet. A man and two lads, however, were found to be missing, and were afterwards discovered drowned in the swelley.
With regard to the second part of the question, I am having the whole position investigated, but as come question of legal proceedings may arise I cannot at present make any statement. With regard to the last part of the question, the first requisite in the prevention of danger from underground water is knowledge of the existence and position of old workings. My Department has been devoting much time and attention to the collection of all the available information throughout the country, and this information is being fully catalogued and published in order to make it generally available in the interests of safety. Three large volumes of this catalogue have already been published, and every effort is being made to secure publication of the two remaining volumes in the near future. While everything possible has been done, with the full co-operation of all concerned, to make these catalogues as complete as possible, there are unfortunately many old working the plans of which, if they ever existed, have disappeared and can now, unhappily, never be replaced.What kind of inquiry is being held? Is it a public inquiry, or is it to be an investigation inside the Ministry?
In the first place, it will be an investigation inside the Ministry. The question of a public inquiry will arise later on.
Are we to understand that the Minister, at the moment, does not propose to have an official inquiry into this serious disaster, and has he none of the old plans of this waterlogged area?
I think the answer which I have already given explains that matter.
That is no answer. I asked two simple questions. The first was "Does the Minister not propose to hold an official inquiry into this serious disaster?"; and my second question was, "Has he no plans of this waterlogged area?"
If the hon. Member will put down his last question, I will have the matter fully investigated. As regards the investigation, it must be a departmental one.
Will a coroner's inquest be held?
The inquest has been held.
Closed Mines
38.
asked the Secretary for Mines whether he can give an estimate of the capital value of the mines closed down in the several coal fields since 1921?
I regret that the information necessary to enable such an estimate to be given is not available.
Statistics
39.
asked the Secretary for Mines what number of pits were closed down in each coalfield area in the years 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, and 1929, respectively; and the number of men displaced on the stoppage of pits in each year?
I regret that information in the form asked for by my hon. Friend is not available, but I will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT annual figures of the number of mines at work and of the number of persons employed during the periods mentioned.
The figures are as follow:
(a) Number of Coal Mines at work, and (b) Number of persons employed (including clerks and salaried persons) in the years 1922 to 1925 and 1927 to 1929 inclusive. | |||||||
District. | 1922. | 1923. | 1924. | 1925. | 1927. | 1928. | 1929. |
(a) Number of Mines at work. | |||||||
Northumberland | 124 | 122 | 124 | 115 | 123 | 105 | 103 |
Durham | 262 | 288 | 293 | 263 | 277 | 265 | 263 |
Yorkshire | 307 | 303 | 295 | 282 | 295 | 255 | 240 |
Lancashire, Cheshire and North Wales. | 304 | 287 | 278 | 267 | 271 | 245 | 235 |
Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. | 206 | 192 | 189 | 185 | 203 | 175 | 173 |
Stafford, Salop, Worcester and Warwick. | 327 | 307 | 298 | 293 | 333 | 288 | 246 |
South Wales and Monmouth. | 640 | 656 | 652 | 607 | 638 | 550 | 506 |
Other English Districts | 124 | 124 | 120 | 115 | 117 | 109 | 106 |
Scotland | 468 | 468 | 469 | 459 | 462 | 406 | 401 |
Great Britain | 2,762 | 2,747 | 2,718 | 2,586 | 2,719 | 2,398 | 2,273 |
(b) Number of Persons employed. | |||||||
Northumberland | 61,138 | 64,021 | 64,977 | 53,545 | 50,581 | 46,922 | 49,400 |
Durham | 161,652 | 174,192 | 174,756 | 143,000 | 130,725 | 130,155 | 138,800 |
Yorkshire | 178,343 | 187,421 | 195,326 | 191,956 | 188,738 | 176,189 | 174,000 |
Lancashire, Cheshire and North Wales. | 122,557 | 124,632 | 124,675 | 116,689 | 106,128 | 96,124 | 94,100 |
Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. | 128,746 | 134,598 | 138,035 | 134,438 | 131,289 | 120,925 | 120,800 |
Stafford, Salop, Worcester and Warwick. | 91,304 | 93,252 | 95,029 | 91,753 | 86,952 | 78,676 | 75,800 |
South Wales and Monmouth. | 243,015 | 252,617 | 250,065 | 217,089 | 194,100 | 168,269 | 178,200 |
Other English Districts | 27,678 | 29,290 | 29,056 | 27,278 | 26,366 | 25,270 | 24,000 |
Scotland | 134,036 | 143,267 | 141,805 | 125,974 | 109,008 | 96,458 | 99,800 |
Great Britain | 1,148,469 | 1,203,290 | 1,213,724 | 1,102,442 | 1,023,886 | 938,988 | 954,900 |
Notes.—(1) Figures for 1921 and 1926 are omitted as those years were affected by protracted disputes.
(2) The figures for 1929 are provisional.
(3) Other English Districts include Cumberland, Westmorland, Gloucester, Somerset and Kent.
Post Office
Mail Bag Losses
40.
asked the Post-master-General the number of robberies of mail bags during the past 12 months; the value of the contents; and the cost to the Exchequer?
During the year 1929 56 mail hags were stolen or tampered with in course of transit. It is not possible to state the value of the contents of the bags. The amount of compensation paid by the Post Office in respect of registered letters, registered parcels and ordinary parcels contained in the hags was just under £500.
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether there has been any recent increase in the number of mail bag robberies?
No. The figures remain fairly steady. There was an increase about Christmas time, as always happens at that period, but otherwise the losses for the last six months are slightly less than for the corresponding period of last year.
Is the Postmaster-General taking any more steps to try and prevent the losses?
Can the hon. Gentleman say whether any additional precautions have been taken by the Post Office to prevent robberies?
With regard to the payment of £500 in compensation, can the Postmaster-General say what was the amount" claimed?
Does that cover insurance as well?
I do not think that there has been any discrepancy between the compensation claimed and the compensation paid. Very active steps are being taken to deal with this question, and I gave a complete account of them during the Debate on the Supplementary Estimates.
58.
asked the Postmaster-General if he can make any statement as to the repeated theft of mail bags within the last 10 days; and whether he can inform the House how the number of mail robberies within the last six months compares with those within the previous six months?
During the last fortnight two thefts have occurred. On the 7th of this month six bags, three containing unregistered parcels and three containing newspaper packets, were rifled at Burton-on-Trent. On the 12th a bag of parcels was rifled in transit from Chippenham to Paddington. Inquiries are proceeding but it has not yet been ascertained how the thefts occurred. During the six months ended 18th March, 1929, 46 bags were stolen or tam-pared with in course of transit; during the next six months 18; and during the six months ended the 18th of this month 40 including the six bags rifled at Burton.
Is there any protection for these bags while in transit on the railways?
There is a certain supervision and surveillance, but of course, the protection is not so great as when they are in the hands of the Post Office itself.
Sub-Postmasters (Remuneration)
41.
asked the Postmaster-General what amount of salary is paid annually to sub-postmasters; and what wage is paid weekly to postmen in rural districts?
Sub-postmasters' emoluments depend upon the amount of business transacted at the sub-office. They vary from a minimum of £25 10s. to £671. The average is about £136. The weekly wages of postmen in rural districts range from a few shillings for short part time duties to a maximum of 62s. 2d. These figures are all inclusive to the cost of living bonus.
Is the Postmaster-General satisfied that the remuneration of these small village sub-postmasters at one guinea per year for the conduct of a telephone from the 1st January to the 31st December is reasonable, having regard to the £9,000,000 profit made by his Department?
That question is at present under discussion between the Post Office and the Sub-Postmasters' Federation.
Is the Postmaster-General aware that these part-time employments, receiving as they do a very low wage, are a very unsatisfactory feature of Post Office work; and will the hon. Gentleman see that wherever he can this part-time work in the Post Office is abolished?
Will the hon. Gentleman see that we get penny postage back as soon as possible?
Imperial Wireless Telephone Services
42.
asked the Postmaster-General what is the estimated annual expenditure for the four Imperial wireless telephone services which it is proposed to concentrate at Rugby and Baldock, including interest on capital, depreciation charges, running costs, overhead charges, and allowances for cost of research?
The total over-all cost inclusive of land lines up to the point of connection with the London Trunk Exchange, of providing public telephone services with Canada, South Africa, India and Australia by means of the Post Office radio stations at Rugby and Baldock is estimated at £43,000 a year. This cost includes £4,000 a year for existing costs at Rugby and Baldock, making a net additional cost for the Dominion's services of £39,000 a year. It also includes a margin of staff and equipment which will be available for the provision of other long-distance radio telephone services. As the latter are developed, the annual cost of the four Imperial services will be reduced to about £36,000 a year.
May I ask whether, as a result of these new services, there will be a direct telephone communication between this country and Argentina?
The new services which are at the moment under discussion are only new services with the Dominions.
43.
asked the Postmaster-General what questions were put to the two experts consulted on the subject of overseas wireless telephony; and what were their answers?
It is impossible within the limits of a Parliamentary answer to deal adequately with this subject, but broadly the questions were intended to elicit whether the high aerial system or the lower aerial system as used at Rugby was likely to prove the more effective. The experts reported that, apart from future developments, both systems are probably equally capable of providing satisfactory telephonic communication between two points for a given number of hours per day. They went on to express the opinion that as regards future development the adoption of the more elastic system, namely, the Rugby system with the lower masts, would be advantageous, since equally satisfactory results could be attained with a smaller expenditure of money, and they pointed out, in particular, that the provision of alternative wavelengths—a matter of importance from the point of view of reliability of service—is likely to be more cheaply made with the relatively low mast system.
Is it not necessary, in order that we may judge as to the weight of the authority of this opinion, that the House should have before it the actual terms of reference or the communication made to the experts; and, if that be so, will not the hon. Gentleman take some means, either by a White Paper or otherwise, of bringing this information before the House?
If the House desires our questions to the experts, and the experts' replies, to be put into a White Paper, I shall be very glad to do so.
Picture Telegraph Service, Berlin
44.
asked the Postmaster-General whether he can make a statement as to the working of the new picture telegraph service to Berlin; on what date it was inaugurated; and what were the first pictures sent and received?
A picture telegraph service with Berlin was opened on the 7th January, and has since worked in a satisfactory manner. The first pictures sent were an exchange of complimentary messages between the German Minister of Posts and myself.
Will the hon. Gentleman continue to assist the "Come to Britain" movement by attractive pictures?
Is it proposed to extend this service?
It has already been extended to Frankfort and Copenhagen.
Action For Damages (Fire)
54.
asked the Postmaster-General the cost of his present action against Mr. W. Larcombe, whose garage was burnt down and whom he sued for £100 damages to the telegraph lines that passed over his garage; and whether it is proposed to incur any further expenditure on a new trial?
This case stands adjourned for legal argument in London, and in the circumstances I do not think it proper to make any statement. I am not at present in a position to state the costs.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that already he has had to pay more in costs than he is likely to get, and that, owing to the refusal to accept the majority verdict, this unfortunate man is going to be called upon to pay the costs of a further case?
The trial involves points of fact as well as points of law, and the points of law are still awaiting argument in London.
rose—
The hon. and gallant Member has received the answer that this matter is still the subject of trial, and he cannot persist in questioning the Minister if the matter is still sub judice.
On a point of Order. What I wanted to raise was the question of raising on the Adjournment at an early date the policy of the Post Office in regard to these cases against unfortunate defendants?
That goes beyond the question on the Paper.
Broadcasting (Telephonic Reception)
66.
asked the Postmaster-General whether his attention has been called to the device introduced in Holland whereby existing telephones can be fitted up with an attachment which enables them at will to be connected with wireless stations, either with a loud speaker or a pair of headphones; whether, the experts of the Post Office have investigated this system; and whether it is proposed in the near future to give English telephone subscribers similar benefits?
The question of utilising the telephone system for the reception of broadcasting has been considered on several occasions, but the conclusion has been reached that the disadvantages would outweigh the advantages. Such a scheme has been adopted for some time past in certain districts in Holland; and, as it is understood that there have recently been some new developments of the scheme, I have given instructions for further inquiry to be made of the Dutch Administration concerning the system now employed.
Can the Postmaster-General say when he will receive a report on the system which is now being adopted in Holland?
No, I cannot say.
Stores, Endell Street (Accommodation)
56.
asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware of the outbreak of boils and carbuncles among the staff of the mechanical transport section of the Post Office stores housed in the old workhouse in Endell Street; whether he is aware that the accommodation in this building is infested with mice, which are themselves affected with skin diseases; whether he is aware that in the same building there is a bacteriological laboratory; and whether he will either remove his staff from the building or take steps to remove the vermin and the bacteria?
This matter has been engaging my attention. It is the case that some members of the staff referred to have suffered from boils and carbuncles. A medical inspection has been made, and I am advised that there is no connection between this outbreak and the proximity of a bacteriological laboratory or the presence of mice in the building. In view of the possibility that infection may have been spread by contact, disinfectant is now being used; and I am taking up the question of improving the sanitary arrangements. Urgent measures are being taken to exterminate the mice.
Is the Postmaster-General aware that the discontent with the present accommodation is not confined to members of the staff, but extends also to the mice; and will he take urgent steps to relieve both of the necessity of living in an old workhouse?
Could not the Postmaster-General get a number of cats to inflict capital punishment on the mice?
Automatic Stamp Machines
67.
asked the Postmaster-General whether he will consider the advisability of setting up automatic stamp machines at all branch post offices, particularly in the poorer areas?
Stamp machines have already been installed at practically all Crown offices and at a number of sub-offices. Machines are being installed at other offices as quickly as possible.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that in many of the poorer districts these machines are not established and that the well-to-do districts get a preference?
The machines cannot be established with great rapidity, because they are only made by one firm, but they are to be extended to every post office as fast as they can be provided.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that his predecessor gave me a promise three years ago to establish them in the poorer districts and that they are not yet established?
I do not think any differentiation is made.
National Finance
Gold (Regulation)
48.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is taking any steps to secure international co-operation in order to economise the use of gold and to regulate its value in terms of commodities, as recommended by the Genoa Conference in 1922?
I do not think that any intervention by His Majesty's Government would be judicious. Steady progress is in fact being made towards increased co-operation by central banks, and it may be hoped that the proposed Bank for International Settlements will further this object.
Does not the right hon. Gentleman consider that the competition between the central banks of the world for gold reserves is largely responsible for the fall in commodity prices referred to; and, because of that, does he not think it desirable to hold some form of international conference at an early date, so as to get the whole matter put on a satisfactory basis?
The hon. Member has repeated in his supplementary question my reply to his original question.
Was it not the right hon. Gentleman's opinion that it was the competition between the central banks of issue that was largely responsible for the fall in commodity prices?
That is a matter of opinion which cannot be made the subject of question and answer at Question Time.
Taxation
49.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount of taxation in sterling per head of the population in Great Britain and Northern Ireland and in Germany in 1913–14 and for each of the post-War years to the latest convenient date?
With my hon. Friend's permission, I will circulate a statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT. But I must point out that such international comparisons are apt to be very misleading on account of differences, e.g., of national wealth or of political institutions. No account is taken of the German States taxation.
Following is the statement:
Taxation per head in sterling. | |||||||
— | United Kingdom. | Germany (a). | |||||
£ | s. | d. | £ | s. | d. | ||
1913–14 | … | 3 | 11 | 4 (b) | 1 | 10 | 8 |
1920–21 | … | 22 | 0 | 8 (b) | (c) | ||
1921–22 | … | 18 | 1 | 10 (b) | (c) | ||
1922–23 | … | 17 | 8 | 1 | (c) | ||
1923–24 | … | 16 | 2 | 5 | (c) | ||
1924–25 | … | 15 | 9 | 0 | 6 | 5 | 3 |
(18·682=£) | |||||||
1925–26 | … | 15 | 2 | 8 | 5 | 6 | 5 |
1926–27 | … | 14 | 11 | 8 | 5 | 11 | 0 |
(per) | |||||||
1927–28 | … | 15 | 6 | 3 | 6 | 11 | 5 |
(per) | |||||||
1928–29 | … | 15 | 0 | 7 | 6 | 19 | 8 |
(per) | |||||||
(a) Excluding States. | |||||||
(b) Including Irish Free State. | |||||||
(c) Owing to the depreciation of the paper mark, the annual returns of tax revenue during the period 1919 to 1924 are of no statistical value. |
Income Tax
50.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount of revenue which he estimates would be lost by exempting from Income Tax that part of the profits of companies actually expended upon plant, replacement, and re-equipment?
The Income Tax law provides for an allowance from profits-in respect of the wear and tear of plant and machinery, either in a lump sum represented by the actual cost of renewal or replacement, or by way of annual allowance during its life. Any expenditure, therefore, in respect of renewal or replacement is already fully allowed for by the law. If the hon. and gallant Member has in mind new expenditure on plant and machinery, arising out of development and not out of renewal or replacement, I must point out that this new expenditure will carry allowance for wear and tear. To anticipate future allowances by giving an allowance at the outset would be a complete departure from the principles on which the Income Tax code is founded.
Import Duties (Revenue)
52.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the amount of revenue derived from the importation of foreign manufactured articles into this country in the years ended 28th February, 1929, and 28th February, 1930?
The net revenue derived from imports of articles classed in the trade returns as "wholly or mainly manufactured" during the years in question was approximately as follows:
£ | |
Year ended 28th February, 1929 | 12,423,000 |
Year ended 28th February, 1930 | 12,782,000 |
No revenue derived from hydrocarbon oils is included in these figures as that duty in form includes crude oil, which is classed as a raw material, as well as refined oil.
Has the right hon. Gentleman any figures showing the amount of revenue lost through the importation of foreign manufactured goods?
International Bank
51.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to what extent the International Bank is representative of countries generally throughout the world, and how far it is subject to the control of representative, national or international bodies?
The board of the Bank for International Settlements will contain not more than 16 members of Belgian, British, French, German, Italian, Japanese and American nationality, and also not more than nine members of other nationalities, selected from countries interested in reparations, or whose currencies are on a gold or gold exchange standard. The International Bank is non-political, and its policy is not subject to the control of any representative national or international body, though its operations in any country will in general require the consent of the central bank of that country.
Will the reports of the bank be brought in any manner to the attention of the Council or Assembly of the League of Nations?
I think it is unlikely that they will be brought to the attention of the Council of the League of Nations. That is a new point to me. I suppose that the bank will issue its reports, and that they will probably be made public.
Will any opportunity be given to this House to discuss the whole policy of this International Bank?
Is it the case that the American Federal Reserve Bank is not officially connected with the National Bank?
I believe that that is so.
House Of Commons (Refreshment Department)
59.
asked the hon. Member for the Gorton Division, as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee, how many makes of cheese manufactured in the British Isles and how many imported cheeses are being consumed in the dining rooms of the House of Commons; and what weight of home-made and imported cheese, respectively, has been consumed in the House during the six months ended February, 1930?
In reply to the hon. Member, there are on sale in the lining rooms six varieties of cheese manufactured in the British Isles and six imported. The total amounts consumed during the six months ending 28th February, 1930, are, cheese manufactured in the British Isles 1,059 lbs. 2 ozs., imported cheese 550 lbs. 11 ozs.
New Embassy, Washington
60.
asked the First Commissioner of Works if he will state the nature of the business connected with the new Embassy at Washington that requires a journey thither by the Permanent Secretary to the Office of Works; and will he explain the reason why it could not be carried out by technical officers of the Department?
The primary object of the forthcoming visit to Washington, by the Permanent Secretary of my Department is to deal with a number of important points relating to the standard of furnishing to be adopted in the new Embassy. Such matters must be dealt with on the spot, and cannot be left entirely to the discretion of technical officers, particularly in the case of so important a post as the Embassy at Washington. Quite apart from this, I consider it highly important that the Permanent Secretary of His Majesty's Office of Works should, as the officer responsible for the expenditure on Works Votes, take the opportunity, as occasion offers, of visiting, or of sending an administrative officer to visit, important buildings erected or furnished at Government expense, to satisfy himself that the services for which the Department is responsible are carried out on a scale adequate, and no more than adequate, to the purpose for which the building is required.
Southern Rhodesia Land Apportionment Act
asked the Under-Secretary of State for Dominion Affaire whether he can now make a statement with regard to the Southern Rhodesia Land Apportionment Act?
The object of the Southern Rhodesia legislation referred to and the legal difficulties which arose in bringing it into effect were stated in the reply which I gave on 22nd January to my right hon. and gallant Friend the Member for New-castle-under-Lyme (Colonel Wedgwood). The provisions of the Act in question involve an amendment of Section 43 of the Southern Rhodesia Constitution Letters Patent, 1923. It was originally contemplated that if the Act were passed, and if it should be His Majesty's pleasure not to disallow it, His Majesty the King in Council should them be moved to make the requisite amendment of the Letters Patent. The Secretary of State was, however, subsequently advised that amendment of the Letters Patent ought properly to be effected before the passing of the Act, which is void under Section 26 of the Letters Patent, and cannot be validated restrospectively. It is, therefore, now proposed to adopt the following procedure. My Noble Friend is taking steps to secure amendment of the Letters Patent. As soon as these have been amended, the Land Apportionment Act will be re-submitted to the Legislative Assembly of Southern Rhodesie, and, if passed will be brought into operation by Proclamation, as soon as the Governor has been notified that it is His Majesty's pleasure not to disallow it.
West Indies (Sugar Industry)
asked the Under-Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he is in a position to state to the House the full terms of the subsidies granted by the Government, as announced in the Press, to the Island of Mauritius and the West Indian islands in connection with the sugar industry; what is the total amount of the subsidies, and the proportionate amount for the different islands involved; on what conditions and reciprocal arrangements are the subsidies granted; and whether the necessary Supplementary Vote will be taken at an early date?
The terms of the arrangements which it is proposed to make have been fully set out in the telegrams, the text of which were published on the 15th instant, and showed clearly the maximum liability involved and its apportionment among the Colonies concerned. I am not in a position to add anything. The question of a Supplementary Estimate does not immediately arise.
Does my hon. Friend not think it would have been much better, to give the information to the House rather than announce it in the public Press?
It was desired to give it as soon as possible, and a few days were gained by giving it in this way.
Business Of The House
I assume the suspension of the Eleven o'clock Rule is only to enable the Air Votes to be got through?
Yes, it is only for the usual purpose.
Ordered,
"That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]
Bills Reported
Tees Valley Water Bill (Certified Bill)
Reported, with Amendments; Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.
Bill, as amended, to be considered upon Thursday, pursuant to the Order of the House of 11th December.
Stockton-On-Tees (No 1) Bill (Certified Bill)
Reported, with Amendments [Title amended]; Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.
Bill, as amended, to be considered To-morrow, pursuant to the Order of the House of 11th December.
Orders Of The Day
Supply
Air Estimates, 1930
Mr Montague's Statement
Order for Committee read.