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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 236: debated on Thursday 20 March 1930

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Unemployment

Transferred Workers, Southwark

1.

asked the Minister off Labour how many miners who were transferred to the Borough of Southwark under the Transference Scheme are still in employment; and whether they are in the original positions to which they were sent?

Special efforts, which I think are generally successful, are made by the Exchanges to find other employment for transferred persons who become unemployed, but detailed records are not kept and I regret, therefore, that it is not possible to supply the statistics desired by my hon. Friend.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that many of these positions which have been taken up by transferred workers are only temporary, and that the workers are now unemployed?

Insurance Fund (Debt)

4.

asked the Minister of Labour what will be the debt on 1st April of the Unemployment Insurance Fund if the index figure remains substantially the same as at present?

Assuming that the number on the Live Register remains substantially the same as at present, namely, £1,563,800 it is estimated that the debt of the Unemployment Fund on the 1st April, will be about £39,000,000. The abnormally high level of unemployment which has prevailed since the beginning of January caused a serious drain on the resources of the fund. The borrowing powers of the fund are at present limited to £40,000,000 and proposals for increasing this limit will be laid before Parliament at an early date.

Will these proposals be laid before Parliament before Easter, as we are now within £1,000,000 of our borrowing powers, and we may run short before Easter?

Training Schemes

5.

asked the Minister of Labour if she is taking any steps to develop the training side of the work of the Ministry of Labour; and, if so, if she will state the nature of them?

The training schemes administered by my Department are under constant review and every opportunity is being taken to extend them. Steps are being taken to open two new centres, providing additional accommodation for approximately 2,000 men per annum, for the training of men for employment in this country. As regards women, the Central Committee on Women's Training and Employment have recently opened a residential centre at Leamington for the training of women in domestic service, and they have also under consideration plans to provide opportunities for women for whom training in domestic service is inappropriate. This is exclusive of the provision made for boys and girls.

Satisfactory as far as they go. I would willingly hasten them if I could.

Is the right hon. Lady aware that there is a great shortage of domestic servants, and will she take steps to carry out the necessary training?

Waterproof Garment Machinists

6.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of waterproof garment machinists who are now unemployed; and whether she is aware that in many districts it is very difficult to fill the requirements of manufacturers?

I regret that separate statistics are not available in respect of unemployment among waterproof garment machinists; but I am having inquiries made as to the alleged shortage of workers.

If applicants for certain posts give excuses, such as that an hour is not enough for lunch, and that eight o'clock is too early to start in the morning, do they still remain on the unemployment benefit?

I imagine that both those excuses would disqualify them from benefit.

Benefit

7.

asked the Minister of Labour the policy adopted by Employment Exchanges in respect of supplying labour to non-union works; whether workers are obliged to take up such employment if offered; and, if not, whether such employés are still regarded as genuinely seeking work?

Any stipulations made by the employer in this matter are brought to the notice of any workman to whom the employment is offered, and if he then refuses it the question whether he remains entitled to unemployment benefit is one for decision by the statutory authorities.

Bethnal Green

8.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of unemployed persons in Bethnal Green at any convenient date in February and March, 1928, 1929, and 1930, respectively?

As the reply includes a table of figures I will, if I may, circulate a statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the statement:

Number of persons resident in the Metropolitan Borough of Bethnal Green on the Registers of Employment Exchanges.

Date.Number.
13th February, 19282,491
12th March, 19282,320
11th February, 19292,979
11th March, 19292,947
17th February, 19303,389
10th March, 19303,456

Stirling And Falkirk

9.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of unemployed work- people on the register of the Stirling and Falkirk Employment Exchanges of the following classes: miners, bricklayers, masons, and general labourers, for the years 1927 to 1929?

Junior Instruction Centres

10.

asked the Minister of Labour how many training centres have been established in the county of London for unemployed insured juveniles; where are they located; what is the average attendance at them since January last; and whether she is satisfied that the centres are within reasonable distance of those required to attend?

There are two Junior Instruction Centres for unemployed boys and girls in the county of London. These centres are conducted by the London County Council in conjunction with day continuation schools at Turin Street, Bethnal Green Road, and at Herold's Institution, Bermondsey. The average daily attendance since the centres opened on 6th January has been 222 boys and 126 girls. Only those juveniles who live within a reasonable distance of these centres are required to attend. Fares are paid in certain cases.

Is the right hon. Lady aware that some of the young persons in the technical institute have to come from as far away as St. Pancras—this is rather a long way—and will she try to see if one or two more centres can be opened?

Is the curriculum of these training centres preliminary, or is it in a completed stage?

I am afraid that I do not quite understand what the hon. Member means. The curriculum is organised by the education authority of the London County Council.

Is not the Turin Street centre a great success, and greatly appreciated by those in training?

21.

asked the Minister of Labour whether there are any areas in the country where there are a considerable number of unemployed juveniles where there are no facilities in the way of training centres; if so, how many; and where are they located?

In 48 areas, a list of which I am sending to the hon. Member, junior instruction centres or classes are being maintained by the education authorities with the assistance of an Exchequer grant. These include most of the distressed mining areas and certain other areas in which unemployment among juveniles is both considerable and prolonged. As regards other areas, the Ministry is in negotiation with the local education authorities, whose co-operation, as the hon. Member knows, is essential. Owing to the way in which in many cases the figures vary within short periods, I cannot very well state how many areas are concerned, but I can assure the hon. Member that the matter is being actively pursued, in consultation with the National Advisory Councils for Juvenile Employment.

Employment Agency, Durham

12.

asked the Minister of Labour if she is aware that a large number of girls and boys from the north-eastern area have been placed in situations in the south of England through the special agency created for this purpose in Durham, and that the Labour Ministry has discontinued support to this agency; and if she can state the reason for this change of policy?

I have no official statistics with regard to the agency to which I presume the hon. and gallant Member refers. An officer of the Department was lent to assist the agency on a temporary basis from the 20th March, 1929, to the 2nd August, 1929, having regard to the special circumstances then existing: it was not considered justifiable to continue indefinitely an arrangement which involved the loan of a public official to a voluntary agency.

In view of the fact that nearly 3,000 untrained persons have been found situations through this agency in the south, is it not a pity to refuse assistance merely on account of red tape?

No. I think that, while I am not responsible for those statistics—which I accept from the hon. and gallant Gentleman—there are a number of voluntary agencies that have never yet applied for, or received public assistance.

Rating Relief

13.

asked the Minister of Labour if she can supply any information as to what has been the effect up to date of derating in lessening unemployment?

I regret that statistics are not available from which it would be possible to make an estimate on this point.

Coventry

14.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of registered unemployed in the City of Coventry on 11th March last; and what was the number on the corresponding date last year?

At 10th March, 1930, there were 5,516 persons on the register of the Coventry Employment Exchange including 3,167 wholly unemployed and 2,349 temporarily stopped. At 11th March, 1929, the corresponding total was 2,241, including 1,618 wholly unemployed and 623 temporarily stopped.

Is it a fact that the figures which the right hon. Lady has just given are the worst ever recorded for the month of March in the history of the City of Coventry, and has she drawn the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to his share of the responsibility for them?

Unstamped Insurance Cards, Luton

15.

asked the Minister of Labour whether her attention has been called to the case of a Luton contractor who has been summoned for the non-stamping of six Sheffield workmen's unemployment insurance cards; and if she can state whether the workmen have suffered loss of benefit in consequence,

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. I am inquiring whether delay has been caused in the payment of unemployment benefit to any of the men concerned and will communicate with my hon. Friend.

Trade Boards

2.

asked the Minister of Labour if she is now able to make a statement with regard to the progress made in the applications for and setting up of trade boards since the present Government took office?

The only action being taken at present is in relation to the catering trade.

Cannot the right hon. Lady hold out any hope that the Government are going to take a more active procedure in this matter?

International Labour Con- Vention (Wrecked Seamen)

3.

asked the Minister of Labour what maritime Powers, whose representatives, in June, 1920, at Genoa, signed the convention that, in every case of loss or foundering of any vessel, masters, officers and seamen employed thereon shall be indemnified against unemployment resulting from such loss or foundering, has not as yet ratified this convention?

The draft International Labour Conventions are not signed. They are adopted by a two-thirds majority vote of the International Labour Conference, and referred to the Governments of the States members of the organisation. The draft convention in question was voted for by the Government representatives of 26 countries. I am circulating in the OFFCIAL REPORT a list of these countries, showing those which have and have not up to the present ratified the convention.

Can the right hon. Lady say whether a large number of those 26 countries have not, as a matter of fact, ratified?

Following is the list:

Countries which have ratified.
Belgium.Italy.
Canada.Poland.
France.Croats and Slovenes.
Great Britain.Spain.
Greece.
Countries which have not ratified.
Argentine.Norway.
Australia.Portugal.
Chile.Rumania.
Czechoslovakia.Siam.
Denmark.Sweden.
Germany.Switzerland.
India.Uruguay.
Japan.Venezuela.
Netherlands.

Jute Industry (Wages)

20.

asked the Minister of Labour whether she is aware that the Chairman of the Trade Board, at the hearing of the jute industry employers' claim for a reduction of 4 per cent. in wages, stated that the machinery was antiquated and inefficient; and, as the decision was in favour of the claim, will she take this into consideration before ratification, as also the fact that the appointed members would not have voted for the reduction but for the state of trade?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. It will be my duty to take account of all relevant considerations in deciding whether to confirm the board's proposals.

Before the right hon. Lady considers the application, will she obtain a full report of the criticism of the chairman of the employers, and is she prepared to receive a deputation?

I think the hon. Member is not aware that the proceedings of the Board are supposed to be private, and the Minister is only informed of the proceedings by such reports as are supplied by either side.

I realise that, but I am asking whether the right hon. Lady will endeavour to obtain a report of the actual criticism by the chairman of the employers.

I shall expect a report to be supplied to me if I am being asked to make the decision.

Is it not the usual practice of the Board to report to the Minister, in order to secure the Minister's ratification of what they do?

Tea Sales (Bonus Schemes)

22.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his attention has been called to the increasing number of fraudulent tea bonus schemes; and will he consider the introduction of legislation to prohibit these practices?

If such schemes comprise criminal frauds they should be reported to the police. I understand that often fraud cannot be proved. As at present advised I do not think legislation is necessary and in that connection I would call my hon. Friend's attention to the decision of the High Court in Howgate against Ralph, reported in the Press of 12th April last year, when magistrates were directed to convict as for a lottery.

Will the right hon. Gentleman call the attention of the Food Council to this general practice of companies in relation to the sales of tea?

I am not aware that there is any such general practice, but I will pass on the information.

Is the right bon. Gentleman not aware that where these bonus schemes and coupons are operating the purchasers are supplied with an inferior class of tea?

Cinematogeaph Films (Censorship)

23.

asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the inability of the present Board of British Film Censors to enforce any decisions that may be arrived at by them with reference to the exhibition of British talking films made from stage plays, he will consider the introduction of legislation which will have as its object some uniformity in control of stage and film censorship?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer which I gave on the 13th instant to questions by my hon. Friends the Members for Peterborough (Mr. Horrabin) and the East Division of Middlesbrough (Miss Wilkinson).

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that since that time certain films have been prohibited in different parts of the Empire, although they are taken from stage plays?

That may be so, but no representations have been made to me as to the precise kind of action that the aggrieved persons wish to be taken.

30.

asked the Home Secretary if he will consider the setting up of a national authority having power, in the case of films banned by the trade censorship for general exhibition, to grant licences for such films to be shown at private exhibitions or under specified conditions?

No, Sir; I am not prepared to interfere with the jurisdiction which is at present vested in the local authorities in this matter.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that according to recent reports some local authorities, at least, do not consider themselves as best fitted to exercise this censorship, and that an extension of the facilities of the private societies would very materially assist those who are anxious to raise the general level of production?

I think the statements in that supplementary question are correct, but no representations of a representative or authoritative character have reached me for a long time.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the appointment of a Select Committee to go into the whole working of the censorship?

I have already said that the aggrieved parties in this matter have made no definite suggestions or representations as to what it is they wish inquired into.

Will the right hon. Gentleman be prepared to receive a deputation representative of the various parts of this House on this matter?

I am quite prepared to discuss the matter with hon. Members, but I would prefer that they should speak with some authority for the aggrieved parties.

Racecourse Betting Control Board

24.

asked the Home Secretary when the Report of the Racecourse Betting Control Board in respect of the period ended the 31st December, 1929, will be presented in Parliament?

I would refer the hon. Member to my answer to a similar question by the hon. Member for the West-houghton Division (Mr. Rhys Davies) on the 13th instant.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the importance of this matter, having regard to the recent public declaration of the Chairman of the Board that the installation of the totalisator had increased attendances at racecourses from 20 to 40 per cent., and is there any reason why we should wait 12 months for the Report?

I have not said anything about waiting 12 months. The answer I gave on a former occasion suggested that the question should be raised after the Easter Recess, but, in view of what my hon. Friend now says, I will look into the matter and see if it can be hastened.

"Daily Worker" Newspaper

25.

asked the Home Secretary whether his attention has been directed to an article on page 6 of the "Daily Worker" of 10th March containing, especially in the penultimate paragraph, phrases of incitement to revolution and calculated to cause a breach of the peace; and what action does he propose to take?

I have read the article to which the hon. Member refers, and I find in it nothing which calls for any action on my part.

Has the right hon. Gentleman's attention been called to an addition to the title of this paper; and, in view of the fact that its connection with the Comintern is now definitely established, will he draw the attention of the Foreign Secretary to that as a breach of the Protocol of 4th October?

I have no doubt that my right hon. Friend is well aware of the contents of this paper, and I do not think it is a journal which is strengthened by any addition to its title.

Is it not a fact that it would be quite impossible for the people who represent this paper or anybody else to bring about a physical revolution in this country?

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman to bring this matter to the notice of the Foreign Secretary, because the addition to the title definitely—in my opinion, anyhow—makes a breach of the Protocol of 4th October.

Oversea Visitors

26.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will consider the possibility in future Home Office Returns of distinguishing between those visitors from overseas who enter this country for the purpose of spending their holidays here and those who come for other purposes?

I think that my previous reply has perhaps been misunderstood. The returns already contain

NUMBER of BOYS and GIRLS sent by Order of Court who were in Home Office Schools and Borstal Institutions on 31st December in each year.
Year.Borstal Institutions.Reformatories.Industrial Schools.Day Industrial Schools.
Boys.Girls.Boys.Girls.Boys.Girls.Boys.Girls.
1913853903,5425199,9723,0591,120666
19196811944,1174299,6702,310518226
19251,106631,8761243,6671,091201110
19291,3451161,8461663,14479812569

separate headings for "Business visitors" and for "Visitors on holiday, tourists, etc." I am advised that it would not be practicable to sub-divide the latter heading, but I think the right hon. Gentleman may accept the figures given under that heading as fairly representing, for practical purposes, the number of aliens coining to this country on holiday.

Arcos, Limited (Discharged Employes)

27.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can now give the House the result of his inquiries as to whether any of the discharged employés of Arcos, Limited, being Russian subjects, are still upon the British labour market?

Reformatory And Industrial Schools

28.

asked the Home Secretary the number of boys and girls in reformatory schools at 31st December, 1929, as compared with the number in reformatory schools at 31st December, 1913, 1919 and 1925; and the like information as regards Borstal institutions and industrial schools?

As it would take a long time to read all the figures the answer will be printed, with the hon. and gallant Member's permission, in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the answer:

Francis Lorang

29.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can now state when Francis Lorang will be brought to trial?

I cannot add anything to the answer I gave the right hon. Gentleman on the 6th instant.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that these proceedings have been very protracted, and is he doing all he can himself to expedite the matter?

I am afraid that there is some justification for that comment, and we are awaiting a reply from the French Government.

Juvenile Employment

31.

asked the Home Secretary whether it is the intention of the Government to introduce legislation limiting the maximum working week for workers under 18 years to 48 hours and making provision that juvenile employment shall generally be prohibited after 6 p.m.?

If the hon. Member is referring to factory industries, the hours of young persons employed in these industries will be dealt with in the Factories Bill, and I am not at present prepared to make any detailed statement on the point.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say anything about those who will not be dealt with in the Factories Bill—those working outside?

I think that in November, during a discussion on a private Member's Bill, I gave an assurance that the cases which my hon. Friend has in mind will be separately dealt with in a Bill apart from the Factories Bill.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give us any idea as to when he will be able to introduce the Factories Bill?

Northern Ireland (Criminal Appeals)

32.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can make any Statement as to when he proposes to introduce a Bill to provide a court of criminal appeal for Northern Ireland?

A Bill is in an advanced state of preparation, but in view of the present demands upon Parliamentary time I am afraid I cannot now say when it) will be possible to proceed with it.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that Northern Ireland is the only part of the United Kingdom without a court of criminal appeal, and, in view of the keen desire of the people who live there to have one, does he not think a non-controversial Bill might be expedited?

If I have proof that such a Bill would be non-controversial, I shall be glad to take action.

Home Office (Children's Report)

33.

asked the Home Secretary whether it is proposed to issue an annual report of the children's branch this year; and, if so, what it is likely to appear?

It is proposed to issue this report triennially, the next number being due in 1931.

Sweepstakes

34.

asked the Home Secretary whether the limitations on the scope and character of the Stock Exchange sweepstake are, in his opinion, such as to remove any necessity for his calling the attention of the police to the carrying on of the sweepstake with a view to warning the promoters that if they do not desist proceedings will be instituted; and, if so, whether he will take steps to prevent the sale in this country of tickets for the Calcutta sweepstake unless the promoters follow the example of the promoters of the Stock Exchange sweepstake?

I understand that henceforth the Stock Exchange sweep will be a purely private affair strictly confined to members of a single and localised organisation, namely, of the Stock Exchange. If it be so conducted and nothings occurs, such as the sale or transfer to non-members of tickets or shares in tickets, to show that the sweep or draw is other than a private one, I for my part shall not move to initiate action. Anyone of course can take proceedings and all questions of law are for the Courts, but I will let the police know my view and I have no reason to think they will take and act upon any other view. But if any sweep or draw, large or small, is so conducted as not to be of a private character, the authorities will have no option but to take whatever action is possible in the circumstances of the particular case. So far as administrative action by me is concerned, this broad distinction, private or not private, is the test for all sweeps or draws, wherever carried on, and for whatever objects. I am glad to have had the opportunity of making this statement, which ought to dispose once for all of the suggestion that in this matter there is one law for the rich and another for the poor.

Arising out of that answer, as an alleged rogue and vagabond, may I ask the Home Secretary whether he is aware that there are over 200,000 tickets on sale in Manchester, tickets costing 2s. 6d. each, for a draw, the first prize of which is £4,000?

Foreign Waiters

35.

asked the Home Secretary what regulations govern the employment of foreigners as waiters in this country; and whether restrictions as to hours apply?

No alien can be given leave to land in this country for the purpose of taking up employment as a waiter unless he is in possession of a permit issued by the Minister of Labour under Article 1 (3) (b) of the Aliens Order, 1920. The law in regard to hours of employment does not discriminate between aliens and British subjects.

Juvenile Offenders (Bicyclists)

37.

asked the Home Secretary if he can state the number of boys who have been sent to prison in any recent year for riding a bicycle without a light?

The number of males under the age of 21 committed to prison in 1929 in default of paying fines inflicted for riding cycles without lights was 12; they must all have been over 16 years of age.

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether these 12 offenders were first offenders, and is he taking steps to prevent young men from being sent to prison for such trivial offences?

Education

School-Leaving Age (Accommodation)

38.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he has received any communications from the Association of Education Committees stating that certain education authorities find it impossible to find the additional accommodation necessary by 1st April, 1931, if the school age is raised on that date; and what action he proposes to take in such cases?

The Association have not sent me any such communication, and in any case, as I have already informed the hon. Member, the fact that a few authorities may not have completed their arrangements in time does not appear to me to be a sufficient reason for postponing the date proposed for the raising of the school-leaving age.

Would not the best remedy be to pass this Bill into an Act of Parliament, which would remove all excuse for avoiding those responsibilities?

42.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he has received from the Haxey Parish Council a resolution protesting against the proposed raising of the school age; and whether he has received any other similar resolutions from parish councils in rural areas?

Is it not true that there is a growing dissatisfaction in the rural areas about the raising of the school age?

Is it not the case that under the present regime it is extremely improbable that the school age will be raised and that this, like other things, will not be done?

61.

asked the President of the Board of Education if there are any local authorities that are not making the necessary preparations in anticipation of the raising of the school age in 1931; if so, how many; and which are the principal authorities that are failing in this respect?

Two authorities, Wolverhampton and the Isle of Ely, have informed me that they do not propose to proceed with their preparations for the raising of the school leaving age until the Education (School Attendance) Bill becomes law, and I have reason to think that the failure of some other authorities to submit proposals may be due to the same reason.

School Attendance Bill (Juvenile Employment)

39.

asked the President of the Board of Education if his attention has been drawn to a Report of the London School Attendance Sub-Committee in which they point out that the Education (School Attendance) Bill will allow children between 14 and 15 years of age to be employed outside school hours, as the Education Act, 1921, definitely limits the age to which by-laws regulating the employment of children may be made to apply to 14 years; and what action, if any, does he propose to take?

I have seen the report in question. I may, however, point out that the restrictions on the employment of children contained in Sections 94 and 95 of the Education Act, 1921, will apply to children between the ages of 14 and 15 when the school age is raised.

Does the President of the Board of Education consider that the members of the London School Attendance Sub-Committee are wrong in their conclusion?

There is no reason, if the hon. Member is keen about it, why he should not raise that matter on the Bill.

Are we to understand that, as usual, the right hon. Gentleman is doing nothing in this matter?

Staffing (Cost)

40.

asked the President of the Board of Education the estimated cost of teachers per child for elementary education in 1930 and how this compares with that for 1913?

The cost of teachers' salaries for elementary education, in England and Wales, is estimated at £8 12s. 2d. per child for 1930, as compared with £3 1s. in 1913.

Elementary Education (Cost)

41.

asked the President of the Board of Education the estimated cost per pupil for elementary education in 1930 as compared with 1913?

The cost of elementary education in England and Wales is estimated at £13 0s. 6d. per pupil for 1930, as compared with £4 15s. 2d. for 1913.

Teachers' Salaries, Lindsey

43.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he has received from the Lindsey County Council any representations regarding the present cost of teachers' salaries; and, if so, what action he preposes to take?

I have received the representations referred to. Teachers' salary scales are in the first instance a matter for the Burnham Committee, and I have accordingly suggested to the authority that any representations that they wish to make should be addressed to the County Councils Association, which is one of the associations represented on that committee.

Regional Survey Maps

44.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he will recommend to local authorities the preparation in schools of regional survey maps similar to the land utilisation map of the County of Northampton, prepared in the schools of that county and recently published?

I am aware that valuable work on these lines has been carried out in some areas, but I should prefer to leave full discretion in the matter to the individual authorities, who are already alive to the importance of encouraging in the rural schools the study of local history and conditions.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that a scheme for a complete map, covering the entire county, has been planned by the Geographical Association, which would be materially helped by the assistance of the Board of Education?

Teaching Of Hygiene

60.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that the Chief Medical Officer of the Board has asked the school medical officers throughout the country to submit to him a Report upon the teaching of hygiene in public elementary schools; and will he give directions that in future the local education authority and not its officers shall be requested to furnish such Reports?

There has been some misunderstanding in regard to the Circular referred to. It has, however, been made clear by a subsequent communication to the school medical officers that the inquiry was concerned with the medical effect of the teaching of hygiene in the schools. It has been a practice of many years' standing for the Chief Medical Officer to communicate directly with his colleagues in the school medical service in regard to questions on which their professional opinion is desired.

State Scholarships

62, 63 and 64.

asked the President of the Board of Education (1) in how many cases in each of the last three years persons taking up State scholarships were also awarded a college or university scholarship tenable at the place where they are holding their State scholarship;

(2) in how many cases in each of the last three years persons taking up State scholarships also received financial assistance from a local education authority towards the expenses of their course; and how many such persons also had a college or university scholarship;

(3) in how many cases in each of the last three years persons awarded State scholarships have declined them; and in how many such cases in each year were the scholarships declined because of the students' inability to bear the remainder of the cost of the desired university course?

I shall be glad to send my hon. Friend the information for which he asks as soon as it is available.

Transport Of Children

65.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he is aware that rural areas having to provide transport for school children suffer a disadvantage when compared with urban areas which have no transport to provide; that the fact that in these rural areas the transport service will rank for grant in the usual way still means an increased expenditure for these areas and thus places them in a less advantageous position than the urban areas; and will he see that the whole cost of such transport is defrayed by the State?

I am not at present satisfied that the percentage rate of grant in respect of this expenditure should be increased.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that these rural areas are very concerned about the additional expense which will be thrown upon them, and think that they have been unfairly treated as compared with urban areas?

I am considering this question, and representations have been made to me on the subject.

Agriculture

Wheat Supplies

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider the advisability of appointing a commission, or other suitable body, for the pur- pose of making an exhaustive inquiry into the organisation of the corn trade and the present position of our wheat supplies?

The examination which is at present being conducted by the Government into the proposal to establish a board for the bulk purchase of grain also involves examination into the subjects referred to by the hon. Member, and I do not think that any useful purpose would be served by the appointment of a special commission, as he suggests.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give the House any idea when the conclusions of this body are likely to be laid before the House?

Government Policy

102.

asked the Minister of Agriculture when the agricultural policy of the Government will be announced?

I would refer the Noble Lord to the answer which I gave to a similar question by the hon. Member for Eye (Mr. Granville) on the 16th December.

I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he is not aware that his oyster-like attitude on this matter is causing dismay in the country districts, and that his silence on this matter is doing his party a great deal of harm all over the country?

Milk And Dairy Produce, Carmarthen (Marketing)

103.

asked the Minister of Agriculture what steps he proposes to take in the County of Carmarthen to meet the position in the milk trade next summer and autumn in view of the almost certain glut of surplus milk which will be produced?

I understand that at the instance of the Carmarthenshire Branch of the National Farmers' Union a committee representing producers in the Counties of Carmarthen, Pembroke and Cardigan has recently investigated the problem of the marketing of milk and dairy produce in that area. The committee sent deputations to England, Scotland and Ireland and has thoroughly explored systems of selling milk and of handling milk for butter making and other purposes. I am advised that a report has been prepared which contains agreed plans and suggestions for dealing with the local situation. When the report is available, I shall be glad to consider whether I can be of any assistance, though it is likely that proposals for local action in regard to surplus milk must, in part at least, await a national scheme of organisation.

Beef (National Mark)

106.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether the rules defining select beef and prime beef under the national meat-marking scheme are similar both for England and Scotland; and, if so, why an English side of beef marked select, or first grade, invariably sells for less on Smithfield Market than a Scottish side marked prime, or second grade, seeing that both are supposed to be graded to an equal rule of quality?

Similar grading standards for "select" and "prime" beef have been adopted by my Department and by the Department of Agriculture for Scotland. It is not possible to define the reasons which determine variations in prices actually realised.

107.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he is now satisfied that there is no attempt on the part of butchers in any part of the country to boycott beef that bears either the English or the Scottish national mark; and, if this is not the case, whether he will state the districts from which such a tendency has been reported?

There is now no evidence of any organised boycott of national mark beef in the London or Birmingham areas where the scheme is in operation; on the contrary, it is now freely sold by the great majority of butchers who deal in home-killed beef, as is shown by the fact that between 80 and 90 per cent. of the gradable beef on Smithfield Market is now marked and the quantity of beef marked in Birmingham has increased by 50 per cent. This recent striking improvement may be attributed very largely to the publicity campaigns undertaken in the two centres by my Department in conjunction with the Empire Marketing Board.

Nationality Of Married Women Bill

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the fact that the Government support the principle contained in the Nationality of Married Women Bill, he will give facilities for the progress of this Bill during the present Session?

I can hold out no hope of time being found for the further discussion of private Members' Bills. As the hon. and gallant Member is aware, the question of the nationality of married women is to be discussed at the International Conference on the Codification of International Law now sitting at The Hague.

In view of the fact that this Bill is entirely non-controversial, will the Prime Minister promise to give it such assistance as he can?

It is perfectly obvious that, if this law is to be changed, it must be done by a Government Bill, after consultation with the Dominions, and arrangements with foreign countries.

Are we to understand that the discussion on the Shop Hours Act tomorrow will be an academic discussion and nothing else?

London Naval Conference

47.

asked the Prime Minister if he is in a position to make any statement as to the progress of the Five-Power Naval Conference?

No useful purpose would be served by any statement at the present juncture.

Does the Prime Minister not think that a very useful purpose would be served by the country knowing what is going on?

49.

asked the Prime Minister if the American delegates at the Naval Conference are in agreement with the British Government as to the naval strength to establish parity with the United States of America; and, if so, what are the principles and the facts of that agreement?

I do not think that it would be in the interests of the Conference for me to enter into details of its business at the present time.

Is the Prime Minister aware that very definite statements are being made in the public Press, apparently communicated from the United States of America, and can he give the House some information as to whether those statements are correct?

The only information that I can give to the House is that the House should not believe nine-tenths of the statements published in the public Press.

Seeing that information is given from time to time by the heads of foreign delegations and by himself, does not the right hon. Gentleman think that he might take us more fully into his confidence?

I do not think that, as a matter of fact, that statement is quite accurate.

Crown Proceedings

48.

asked the Prime Minister if the Government proposes to legislate on the basis of the Report of the Crown Proceedings Committee; and, if so, whether time will be found for a Bill this Session?

In the present state of public business, I am not in a position to make any statement on this subject.

Imperial Conference

50.

asked the Prime-Minister whether he will request the Economic Advisory Council to prepare, in view of the meeting of the Imperial Conference in the autumn, a scheme for the economic development of the Empire embodying the largest possible measure of general agreement amongst all parties in this country and omitting proposals which are highly controversial?

His Majesty's Government have been considering for some time the economic matters which they might suggest for discussion at the Imperial Conference, and they will omit to take no well-considered advice available for their guidance.

Local Government

Public Assistance Committees (Accommodation)

51.

asked the Prime Minister if he will refer to the Committee considering the relationship of different forms of social insurance the question of the economy and public convenience to be derived from a policy directed to housing the local administration of all forms of public assistance in one building?

No, Sir. It would, I think, be premature to deal with the question of accommodation until the larger issues of policy involved in the inquiry referred to have been decided.

County And County Borough Councils (Medical Members)

75.

asked the Minister of Health if he will introduce a short indemnifying Bill to exempt present sitting medical members of county and county borough councils from their disabilities to act as from 1st April next during the remainder of their present period of office, pending the reconsideration or reorganisation of the methods of payment to medical practitioners for minor medical services rendered on behalf of local authorities in the course of their private practice?

I regret that I am not able to comply with the suggestion, and would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the reply given on the 6th ultimo to the hon. Member for Banff (Major Wood).

76.

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware that in rural parts of the country generally, and particularly in such rural counties as the county of Huntingdon, all practising medical practitioners are rendered ineligible for service as members of county councils by the provisions of the Local Government Act, 1929, and that, therefore, such councils as desire to have medical members, whether co-opted or elected, for their public health, maternity and child welfare, and Midwives Acts, mental deficiency and other committees are unable to obtain them; and will he take this question into consideration?

Legislation would be required to deal with the matter raised by the hon. and gallant Member, and I am afraid that I can give no undertaking as to 6uch legislation.

If a one Clause Bill is introduced to "remove any inconvenience temporarily and enable these officers to carry out their duties during the remainder of their term of office, which is obviously desired by the electorate, will the right hon. Gentleman try to give facilities?

There are only 11 days to go before the new Act comes into operation, and the local authorities have already made their arrangements.

Audit (Local Authorities) Act

88.

asked the Minister of Health whether it is the intention of the Government to repeal the Audit (Local Authorities) Act, 1927; and, if so, when the necessary legislation is likely to be introduced?

I cannot undertake at the present time to introduce legislation on this subject in view of the pressure of Parliamentary business.

If the right hon. Gentleman had the time, would he do it?

Officers (Dismissal)

89.

asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of the recommendations of the Onslow Commission on Local Government, he intends to introduce legislation to alter the position created by the decision in the case of Brown v. Dagenham Urban District Council, whereby certain local government officers are liable to be dismissed without notice or disclosure of reason, and contrary to the terms of contracts of service?

I hope to ask Parliament to deal with this, among other recommendations of the Royal Commission, when time permits.

Channel Tunnel

53.

asked the Prime Minister what action His Majesty's Government intends to take concerning the Channel tunnel?

56 and 57.

asked the Prime Minister (1) whether, in view of the favourable nature of the report of the Channel Tunnel Committee, he will cause negotiations to be commenced at an early date with the French Government, with a view to settling the necessary legal and administrative questions on which agreement must be reached before the construction of the tunnel can be begun;

(2) whether the Channel Tunnel Report has yet been submitted to the Committee of Imperial Defence; and whether, in the event of their report being not unfavourable, he will take the necessary steps to ensure that the work of construction shall be commenced at the earliest possible date?

His Majesty's Government is at present studying the report. The observations of the Committee of Imperial Defence will, of course, be asked for. So soon as a decision is reached, it will be communicated to the House.

Will the Government, when referring this matter to the Committee of Imperial Defence, also remind them of the existence of the Kellogg Pact?

Is the right hon. Gentleman going to carry out the undertaking given by his predecessor, that, after the economic aspects had been inquired into, if they were satisfactory, there would be an inquiry into the political and strategic aspects?

All I can say is that the fullest consideration will be given to the subject, in consultation with those who are interested in it and who have to bear the responsibility for any step that His Majesty's Government may take.

As so many industrialists in the country are of opinion that the building of this Channel Tunnel is long overdue, having regard to the additional trade that might be done, especially with Southern Europe, will the right hon Gentleman do his utmost to avoid any further delay in the building of the Tunnel?

Will the Prime Minister consider the views of the Chambers of Commerce and local authorities of English holiday resorts?

Whether the right hon. Gentleman agrees or not with the report, will he say definitely that the Government will find the money?

The whole matter is under consideration at the present moment. The recommendation of the Committee is that the Government should not find any money for the Tunnel.

Imported Foodstuffs (Control Board)

54.

asked the Prime Minister whether he proposes this Session to give facilities for parliamentary proposals to set up a controlling import board with powers for regulating imports of foodstuffs?

The right hon. Gentleman will appreciate that the scheme referred to is of a nature which precludes me from assuming that any little Parliamentary time now at my disposal would be sufficient to pass it into law this Session.

Is the Prime Minister aware that yesterday morning warm approval of this project was expressed by the new official capitalist organ of the Labour party?

Coast Protection Bill

55.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can now state if he proposes to proceed with the further stages of the Coast Protection Bill?

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to what I have already said in reply to questions on this subject. The position is unchanged.

If we are not going to have any facilities for private Members' Bills, had we not better take some of the Government's Measures?

I have already told the hon. and gallant Member that, if the opposition to the Bill could be reduced within reasonable compass, I should consider proceeding with the Bill.

Mediterranean

58.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can assure the House that His Majesty's Government will not enter into any engagements involving sanctions or blockade in the Mediterranean which go in any way beyond the letter of the Covenant of the League of Nations?

His Majesty's Government have neither contemplated nor discussed any question of sanctions or blockade in the Mediterranean.

Can the right hon. Gentleman assure the House that it is the intention of His Majesty's Government to fulfil, without any abatement whatsoever, all the obligations of the Covenant of the League?

Palestine

59.

asked the Prime Minister whether the House will be given an opportunity of debating the Report of the Palestine Commission before Easter; and whether the Government adhere to the definitions of policy and obligations under the Palestine Mandate set out in the White Paper of 1922?

As the right hon. Member was informed on the 17th March, the Secretary of State is consulting the High Commissioner as to the date of publication. In the circumstances, I am not yet able to say what arrangements can be made to meet the desire for a Debate on the subject. With regard to the second part of the question, it is clear that, at the present moment, any general declaration of policy, beyond what has already been made, would be premature.

Public Health

Blind Welfare

68.

asked the Minister of Health if he intends to pay to the voluntary societies the half-yearly grants for the blind as usual on 31st March next?

The grants pay able by my Department for the welfare of the blind during the current financial year have already been paid in the majority of cases. In the remaining cases the grants will be paid before the 31st March.

Am I right in concluding, from that statement, that there has been no change in any case?

91.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that great difficulty will be experienced by voluntary associations for the blind owing to his refusal to make the second payment due from him for the current year and that the amount due will have to be found either by the associations or by the county councils; whether he can state the amount which will be saved by the non-payment of these grants; and if he will reconsider his draft scheme?

I am not aware that difficulty will be experienced by voluntary associations owing to the change effected by the Local Government Act. These associations have received a year's Exchequer grant from my Department during the present year, and they will receive a full year's contribution from the local authorities during the coming and succeeding years. As regards the second and third parts of the question, the equivalent of a full year's grant payable to the associations is included in the consolidated Exchequer grant to be paid to local authorities under the Local Government Act during 1930–31, and no question of a saving to the Exchequer or of loss to the local authorities arises. I see no reason to reconsider the scheme which has been made under Section 102 (1) of the Act.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that many county councils and voluntary associations are of opinion that they will lose six months' grant?

I have done my best on several occasions to explain that that is really not so. It needs a blackboard to demonstrate it to a number of people.

Asylum Officers (Superannuation)

70.

asked the Minister of Health whether the actuarial investigation into the pension position of asylum officers under the Asylum Officers Superannuation Act, 1909, and the Asylum Certified Institutions (Officers' Pensions) Act, 1919, has now completed its work; and, in that case, what decision has been reached?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative; the second part does not, therefore, arise.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to have this report accelerated?

I understand that it is now in the hands of the auditors, who are investigating it. I will see that there is no delay.

Dairy Cattle (Shows)

90.

asked the Minister of Health what communications passed between his Department and the British Dairy Farmers' Association prior to the issue of his circular prohibiting the exhibition of tuberculin-tested cattle at shows?

My Department wrote to this Association on 19th November, 1928, saying that it had been brought to their notice that animals from licensed herds were exhibited at the Islington Dairy Show and that the condition as to separation from other cattle was not complied with. The letter said that the Department would be very re- luctant to withdraw permission for the exhibition of such animals at the Show and represented strongly that proper arrangements for separation should be made in future. After a reminder had been sent and acknowledged, the Association replied on 22nd August, 1929, saying that a committee had considered three possible courses for meeting the Ministry's requirements but had not adopted any of them. A conference was then arranged for 16th September, 1929, between representatives of the Association (including the Secretary) and officers of my Department and the Ministry of Agriculture. Various suggestions were discussed but not adopted, and it was made clear that the Association did not feel themselves able to comply with the Ministry's requirements. After further discussion with the Producers' Association and the Ministry of Agriculture, I wrote to the British Dairy Farmers' Association on 16th February communicating my decision and enclosing a copy of the circular.

If it is undesirable that cattle of this description should be allowed to be sent to shows, is it not also a danger for the cattle if people suffering from this disease attend, and will the right hon. Gentleman have them all examined on entrance?

The point at issue is whether I made a true statement last Thursday or not, and the major question does not arise on this.

Infectious Diseases (Milk)

92.

asked the Minister of Health whether he can state the number of epidemics of infectious disease in England and Wales during the last three years which have been attributed to milk; what was the nature of the epidemics; and the annual number of cases and of deaths due to the epidemics?