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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 238: debated on Thursday 1 May 1930

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Unemployment

Transfer Of Labour

1.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of men who have been transferred from the depressed coal areas through the various Employment Exchanges to employment in other parts of the country for the three months ended to the last convenient date?

During the period from 14th January to 14th April, 1930, approximately 7,618 men were transferred from depressed areas under the industrial transference scheme.

Cardiff

4.

asked the Minister of Labour the increase or decrease in the number of women, girls and boys unemployed in the Cardiff area for last week as compared with the same week of last year?

At 14th April, 1930, the number of women, girls and boys on the registers of Employment Exchanges in the Cardiff area showed an increase of 31 as compared with 15th April, 1929.

Statistics

12.

asked the Minister of Labour how many more persons are now unemployed than in May last?

At 14th April, 1930, the latest date for which figures are available, there were 506,765 more persons on the registers of Employment Exchanges in Great Britain than at 15th April, 1929.

Do the figures which the right hon. Lady has mentioned include Members of the late Government who are out of office?

Is the right hon. Lady aware that the Lord Privy Seal stated that in February this year the numbers of unemployed would be considerably reduced? How does she reconcile that statement with the present position?

17 and 18.

asked the Minister of Labour (1) the town or district in Scotland which has the largest number per 10,000 of its population registered as unemployed?

(2) the town or district in England and Wales which has the largest number per 10,000 of its population registered as unemployed?

At 14th April, 1930, the latest date for which figures are available, the town in Scotland with the highest proportion of insured persons on the register of the Employment Exchange was Alexandria, with 51.4 per cent., and in England and Wales it was Tonypandy, with 76.8 per cent.

Employment Exchanges (Caretakers)

15.

asked the Minister of Labour whether caretakers of Employment Exchanges are entitled to an annual holiday with pay?

Caretakers of Employment Exchange premises are eligible for annual leave with pay, provided that by the taking of such leave no additional expense for substitution is occasioned to the Department.

Are we to understand that they can have leave with pay if they pay people to do their work while they are away?

This is an arrangement which was arrived at in 1924 between the Treasury and the Workers' Union.

It means that, if the staffs are such that the work can be rearranged among them, the worker gets leave without having to pay, but if additional staff is to be engaged, he has to pay.

If there is only one member of the staff, must he provide somebody else to do the work and pay him?

Does not the statement made by the right hon. Lady show that the offices are permanently overstaffed?

Catterick Camp (Labour Conditions)

16.

asked the Minister of Labour if she is aware that recently 15 girls were penalised by the Darlington Employment Exchange for not accepting the conditions of employment at Catterick Camp; and whether she will cause inquiries to be made as to the pay, lodgings, and hours offered by the canteen board?

I would refer my hon. Friend to my replies on the 15th April to the hon. Member for Darlington (Mr. Shepherd) and the hon. Member for Attercliffe (Mr. C. Wilson), of which I am sending him copies.

Steel Industry (Working Hours)

9.

asked the Minister of Labour whether, with reference to the Report of the International Labour Office that in the United States of America electric furnace men worked 14 hours a shift, crane men 14 hours on the night shift and 10 hours on the day shift for seven days a week, and that many labourers worked 16 hours a shift, she will state the number of hours worked per day or week by those employed in similar trades in the United Kingdom?

The latest statistics in the possession of the Ministry of Labour as to the normal weekly hours of labour of workpeople in the steel industry in this country are those compiled as the result of inquiries made in respect of October, 1924, and published on page 285 of the "Ministry of Labour Gazette" for August, 1926, a copy of which I am sending to the hon. Member.

I did not ask where they were published; I was drawing attention to the report of the International Labour Office, with which I think the right hon. Lady is in correspondence at Geneva?

The question was whether I would

"state the number of hours worked per day or week by those employed in similar trades in the United Kingdom."
My answer to that was to refer the hon. Gentleman to the document where the figures are to be found.

In view of that reply, may I ask if the United States enforce the eight-hour day, and one day rest in these cases?

Do not these terrible figures show the result of protection for the steel industry?

10.

asked the Minister of Labour if she will describe, approximately, the types of steel articles produced by the steel plants in the United States of America in which the International Labour Office reports that the workers are on a 12-hour day and work seven days a week?

I have no particulars beyond those given in the Report to which the hon. Member refers.

Is there, therefore, any wonder that we find difficulty in producing engineering goods for export when we have conditions of this kind?

May I point out that the figures given in this document, are given as the result of certain investigations in particular cases. They cover abnormal hours of work, and, if the hon. Gentleman makes inquiries in the steel trades of this country, he will find that there are occasions in the year when they also work longer shifts.

Are there any cases in this country where they work seven days a week and 12 hours a day?

Government Departments

Claims And Record Office, Kew

11.

asked the Minister of Labour the extent to which the work of the Claims and Record Office of the Ministry of Labour, Kew, is in arrear?

Owing to the abnormally large number of claims, certain parts of the annual programme of work have had to be temporarily postponed. The current work of dealing with new claims is up to date.

Board Of Education

35.

asked the President of the Board of Education who constitute the Board of Education, and the number of occasions on which it has met during the last three years?

The Board consists of a President, the Lord President of the Council, His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State, the First Commissioner of His Majesty's Treasury, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I can find no record of any meeting of the Board.

Has consideration recently been given to the question whether this is the best machinery for conducting the educational affairs of this country, and does not the right hon. Gentleman think that he might have a board over which he should preside?

That will, no doubt, be a matter of interesting discussion in the House, but I do not feel the need of it at present.

Treasury

68.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury how many Class I civil servants there are at the Treasury; and how many of them saw active service during the Great War?

There are 71 officers (including two women), in the Administrative Class borne on the establishment of the Treasury, of whom 11 are at present seconded for service in other Departments. 37 of these officers saw active service during the Great War.

Have any men lost seniority in the public service who would now be in that class if they had not been ex-service men?

I am not aware of any instance of the kind, but, if the hon. and gallant Member will send me particulars, I will make inquiries.

Ex-Service Men

69.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether when permanent non-pensionable ex-service clerks in the Civil Service in receipt of weekly salaries are appointed to the established clerical classes under the provisions of Clause 5 of the Government memorandum of 12th January, 1925, any reduction is made in their pay; if so, will he say what such actual reductions amount to; whether any representations have been made to him by the various staffs concerned; and, if so, will he state what action the Government intend to take in the matter?

I am not yet able to add anything to the reply which I gave to the hon. and gallant Member on this subject on 8th April last. The question raised is under discussion with the representative Staff Associations concerned, from one of which I am awaiting a further communication.

When will it suit the hon. Gentleman's convenience for me to repeat the question?

I cannot anticipate the negotiations that are still proceeding, but, when they are completed and I am able to give the information, I will let the hon. and gallant Gentleman know.

Woollen Industry (Dispute)

19.

asked the Minister of Labour what action she is taking to settle the dispute in the woollen industry of the West Riding of Yorkshire?

As my hon. Friend will be aware, I took all action open to me, including the appointment of a Court of Inquiry, with a view to avoiding the dislocation of the industry which has taken place. It has not been possible for me to intervene further, but I should like to take this opportunity of expressing the hope that the settlement of this dispute will be the subject of renewed efforts by the parties, and that the good relations between them will be resumed.

Will the Minister take steps to try and bring the two parties together in order to bring about a settlement of the dispute?

The Ministry are open at any moment of the day to be called upon to give their services.

We are placed in a position where it is very difficult to take the initiative.

Does not the Minister realise that it is essential, she being a representative of a workers' Government, to let it be understood in the woollen industry that she is on the side of the workers?

48.

asked the Prime Minister whether the Government propose to take any measures having in view the reorganisation of the worsted and woollen textile industry as an alternative to the reduction of wages?

I have been asked to answer this question. I would refer my hon. Friend to the replies to previous questions by him which were given by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer and by myself on 17th April and 1st April, respectively. As I then indicated, the Government will at any time be prepared to lend their good offices in the matter.

Will not the right hon. Gentleman have an inquiry into the woollen industry, on the lines of that which was undertaken in the case of the cotton industry?

I have been reluctant to embark on any additional inquiries. I hoped that the manufacturers would act on paragraph 62 of the Macmillan Report, but, without committing myself in any way, perhaps the House will not regard that as a final reply.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Macmillan inquiry was confined to one district, and could not he have a wider inquiry into the organisation of the whole industry?

That wider point is covered by what I have already said in reply to my hon. Friend's first supplementary question. I should not like it to be thought that I am committing myself, or the Government, at this stage.

Is it not the fact that the Macmillan Report urged the employers to take in hand measures for the reorganisation of the industry, and that they have not done anything of the kind; and does not the right hon. Gentleman think it is time that the Government should take a hand in the matter?

Are we certain that what is called reorganisation will meet the difficulty by reducing the costs of production to such a point as to enable us to meet foreign competition?

Bakery Trade (Alien Workers)

20.

asked the Minister of Labour whether she has received the protest from Mr. W. Banfield, for and on behalf of the Operative Bakers' Union, against the importation of continental workmen into the bakery trade in this country; whether any permits have been issued by her for this purpose; and if she is taking any action in the matter?

Neither the Home Secretary nor I have received such a protest. It has not been possible in the time available to ascertain the precise number of permits of this kind that have been issued, but such permits would only be issued in very exceptional circumstances, and the total, I am sure, is very small.

Does the right hon. Lady mean to tell the House that this gentleman has not taken the elementary step, if he desires this matter to be attended to, to apply to the Ministry of Labour, and does she think that such a man should represent any constituency?

Why should the right hon. Lady refuse to receive the workmen when we admit the goods that they produce?

Does the Minister think that this question would have been asked if there had not been a by-election at Fulham?

Russian Nationals

21.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he can now give the House the result of his inquiries as to whether any of the discharged employés of Arcos, Limited, being Russian subjects, are still upon the British labour market?

28.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is yet in a position to make any statement regarding the Russian nationals now in this country who may only return to their own country under penalty of death?

I find that, with one possible exception, none of the Soviet citizens, some 11 in number, dismissed by Soviet organisations in this country since the beginning of 1929 are on the British labour market. The majority are in business on their own account. My inquiries are almost complete and so far I have not found a case in which there appeared to me to be grounds for considering the question of requiring the alien concerned to leave the country. Apart from the particular cases the question has of course an important international aspect which requires, and will receive, further consideration.

May I ask what guarantee the right hon. Gentleman has that these people are not still carrying on revolutionary propaganda in this country?

I have the guarantee that they are engaged in ordinary business, and, so far as I know, no further inquiry is necessary.

When these gentlemen were engaged in the business of Arcos they did, as was proved—[HON. MEMBERS: "No!"]—carry on revolutionary propaganda.

31.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can state the names of certain nationals of Soviet Russia who recently applied for visas for this country and who represented that they were members of a Soviet football team and desirous of carrying out certain fixtures arranged by the Communist party; and what action he has taken in the matter?

No, Sir I have not been furnished with the names of the persons concerned. An application for visas was made to me by the British Workers' Sports Federation for the members of a football team to visit this country from 18th April to about 10th May. I understand that the Federation is affiliated to the Sportintern, a subsidiary organisation of the Communist International. The objects of these Communist sports organisations are sufficiently shown by a resolution of the Young Communist International of December last which was published in the "International Press Correspondence" of the 21st March. The resolution was in the following terms:

"The Young Communist League organisations must pay particular attention to the sport unions of the working class youth. In these unions they must crystallise the basic kernel for strike pickets, proletarian self-defence, workers' fighting committees and Red Guards, people for work in the imperialist armies. They should utilise sport organisations for the military training of the working class youth."
In the absence of any evidence that the object of the proposed tour was for the purpose of genuine sport, I could not see my way to accede to the application.

Is the right hon. Gentleman communicating this matter to the Foreign Secretary?

Is the Home Secretary aware that matches have been arranged with members of this football team and have taken place in Germany, Scandinavia, Turkey and other countries without a revolution being brought a day nearer?

Russia (Government)

23.

asked the Home Secretary whether his attention has been called to the existence of an organisation in this country having as its object or part of its object interference with the present government of Russia; and whether any steps have been taken by Scotland Yard in this matter?

I can find no evidence of the existence of such an organisation in this country. A supposed scheme for establishing one, to which reference was recently made in the Press, has been investigated. It appears to have been originated by two irresponsible individuals with the object of obtaining publicity for themselves, and has been abandoned.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman think that in the existing circumstances it is very undesirable that prominence should be given to statements of that kind? Would it be within his province to make representations to that effect?

Greater prominence is given to these matters by questions in this House.

Are not the party opposite always trying to interfere with the internal affairs of Russia?

Vivisection

24.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will arrange to keep records of each kind of animal used for the purpose of vivisection and to publish these figures in future reports?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave on the 29th April to a question on this subject. I regret that I cannot comply with this request.

Coroners, St Helens And Leigh (Remuneration)

25.

asked the Home Secretary the salaries paid to the coroners for St. Helens and Leigh; and what other parts of the county they have charge of in addition to the above?

St. Helens is in the West Derby Coroner's District which includes the Petty Sessional Divisions of Kirkdale, Ormskirk, St. Helens, Southport and Warrington, parts of the Petty Sessional Divisions of Leigh. Prescot and Wigan and the whole of the County Boroughs of Bootle, St. Helens, Southport and Warrington. The salary I understand is £1,145. Leigh is in the Bury District which includes the Petty-Sessional Division of Bolton and parts of the Petty Sessional Divisions of Bury, Leigh and Wigan and the whole of the Borough of Leigh and of the County Borough of Bury. I understand that the salary is £625.

Will the right hon. Gentleman say whether he has power to make the appointments, and, if so, what are the qualifications required?

That is an entirely new point, and I should like notice of that question.

As I say, that is an entirely new point, and I must have notice of the question.

Betting Control Board (Report)

26.

asked the Home Secretary if he has now received the first annual report of the Betting Control Board; and, if so, when will it be available for Members of the House?

I presented the report to the House on its re-assembly on Tuesday last and copies will be available in the course of a few days.

Greyhound Racing Tracks (Totalisator)

27.

asked the Home Secretary if he is aware of any cases where the totalisator has been installed on any greyhound racing tracks in England or Wales?

I think the law has decided that point, and it is not for the Home Secretary.

Murder Trials (Prisoners' Evidence)

30.

asked the Home Secretary whether he proposes to submit a Bill to amend the existing law dealing with prisoners' evidence in cases of murder where no definite evidence exists?

May I ask if the right hon. Gentleman's attention has been called to the comments in various legal journals on a recent case, and does he not think, in view of his experience, that he should secure some sort of protection for any successor in his office?

Yes, I gave the closest personal attention to that matter, but my view is that such points can safely be left to the Courts, and that we ought not to assume that because a man has been in prison or is in prison he is incapable of telling the truth.

Does the right hon. Gentleman think it is quite a fair, jannock and decent way of getting evidence which sent a man to the scaffold?

Metropolitan Police (Traffic Control)

32.

asked the Home Secretary what was the total number of men employed in the Metropolitan Police Force in 1913, and how many of them were engaged on traffic control work; and if he will give the corresponding figures for the year 1929?

The strength of the Metropolitan Police Force on 31st December, 1913, was 18,916, and of these approximately 440 were engaged on traffic control. The corresponding figures for 31st December, 1929, were 19,512 and 1,400.

Is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that the increase in the number of police officers is commensurate with the enormous amount of additional work that they have to do in controlling traffic?

I am, of course, subject to expert advice on that point, and, as the figures indicate, there has been a considerable increase in the number of police employed on traffic control.

But is the right hon. Gentleman aware that during the past 10 years there has been an extraordinary increase in the number of police utilised for traffic control?

This increase in the one direction has involved an increase in the other direction.

Prison Service

33.

asked the Home Secretary whether, for the purpose of selecting suitable candidates for superior posts in the prison service, there is an advisory committee; if so, what are their names; and how often do they meet?

The appointment of superior officers of the prison service is vested by statute in the Secretary of State. Where the appointment is that of a Governor, he receives the advice of a selection committee composed of representatives of the Prison Commissioners and the Civil Service Commissioners. This committee meets whenever a vacancy is to be filled, and the membership varies from time to time. Where the appointment is that of a chaplain or a medical officer, the Secretary of State receives the advice of the Prison Commissioners. There is no selection committee in these cases, but the Bishop of the diocese is consulted before a recommendation is made for the appointment of a chaplain.

Education

Kindergarten Materials

34.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he is aware that a large proportion of the kindergarten materials used in schools receiving grants from public funds are of foreign make, and that some education authorities specify by name the foreign makers of certain goods to be quoted for; and whether he will inquire into the matter?

I have no information which would support the suggestion in the first part of the question, and I do not think that any useful purpose would be served by an inquiry, as the local education authorities are well aware of the wishes of His Majesty's Government that goods and materials of home production should be purchased as far as practicable. I am sending the hon. Member a copy of a circular recently issued by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Health, drawing the attention of all local authorities to this matter.

Is the right hon. Gentleman prepared to receive evidence as to the foreign origin of the articles which I have mentioned?

Can the right hon. Gentleman say what is the opinion of the experts in the infant schools on this matter?

Seeing that the word "kindergarten" is also of foreign origin, will the right hon. Gentleman also exclude that?

Non-Provided Schools

36.

asked the President of the Board of Education the rights which would be enjoyed under the reorganisation scheme by a voluntary school which had repaid a grant made for the purpose of reconditioning or enlargement?

The special conditions on which the grant may be made would cease to operate if and when the grant is repaid.

37.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether be proposes to put into the form of a Bill his proposals for dealing with the non-provided schools; and when he proposes to introduce it?

If, as I hope, the proposals summarised in the White Paper prove to be generally acceptable, they would have to be embodied in legislation. I cannot at present make any statement as to the last part of the question.

Will this subject be dealt with separately before the School Attendance Bill is introduced?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that those proposals are not acceptable to the teachers of the country?

Will not a great deal of time be required to put the scheme into operation as regards buildings, and is it not necessary that we should have legislation introduced as soon as possible?

Will precedence be given to this legislation over the School Attendance Bill, or will the School Attendance Bill be introduced first? Which will have preference?

Will the passage of thins Bill be dependent on the passage of the School Attendance Bill?

41.

asked the President, of the Board of Education if it is proposed that any grant made by a local education authority under Section 1 of the Summary of Proposals in Command Paper 3551 shall be recognised by the Board for the purposes of their grant; if so, what the percentage paid by the Board will be; and will the prior sanction of the Board to the making of a grant by the local education authority have to be obtained?

It is proposed that any grant made by a local education authority under Section 1 of the Summary of Proposals in Command Paper 3551 should be eligible for grant under the provisions of the Board of Education's current Regulations, and that during the operation of Circular 1404 the rate should be 50 per cent. The Board's prior sanction would not be required to any agreement which may be made by a local education authority with the managers of a non-provided school, but it would be a condition of the Board's grant that the actual proposals for the enlargement, reconstruction or improvement of the school in question should secure their approval in the usual manner.

42.

asked the President of the Board of Education if it is proposed to vary from the present ratio the proportion of managers appointed by the trust and by the local authorities in the case of voluntary schools which receive grants from the local education authorities under Section 1 of the Summary of Proposals in Command Paper 3551?

43.

asked the President of the Board of Education if the managers of a voluntary school will be given any right of appeal, and, if so, to whom, where a local education authority recognise that their voluntary school could, subject to enlargement, reconstruction, or improvement, be efficiently incorporated in a scheme of reorganisation but decline to make a grant towards such enlargement, reconstruction, or improvement, and the managers are themselves unable to find the necessary funds?

No, Sir. The proposal is that the grant should be dependent on a voluntary agreement, and that there should be no compulsion upon either party to enter into such an agreement.

Surely, if later on, owing to change of teachers, for example, there is a dispute between the local education authority and the managers, there is a right of appeal?

Administration

38.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether his attention has been drawn to the fact that, in the absence of further legislation, orders by the Minister of Health, under Section 46 of the Local Government Act, 1929, may result in the creation of a series of new Part III education authorities; and whether he proposes to introduce legislation in order to obviate such a result, which was not intended when the Act of 1929 was framed?

Yes, Sir. I am aware of the serious difficulties with which county councils will be confronted in carrying out their plans for educational reorganisation, if large numbers of new Part III authorities are created as a result of Orders made under the Local Government Act, 1929. It appears, as the right hon. Gentleman's question suggests, that such a result was never intended when last year's legislation was framed. His Majesty's Government are, therefore, prepared to introduce a short Bill to obviate the creation, by Orders under the Local Government Act, of new authorities for elementary education.

Will the Bill also include provisions whereby existing Part III education authorities below a certain size may be absorbed in the county areas?

Provided Schools (Religious Instruction)

39.

asked the President of the Board of Education whether his Department takes steps to see that agreed syllabuses of religious teaching in provided schools are in conformity with the Cowper-Temple Clause governing such teaching?

The Board do not inspect or otherwise supervise religious instruction, but I have no reason to think that any local authority has adopted for its provided schools a syllabus of religious instruction with includes the teaching of a religious catechism or religious formulary distinctive of any particular denomination.

Is the President of the Board of Education aware that in these provided schools absolute doctrinal points are taught, such as the belief in the Virgin birth and other religious—[Interruption.] Am I not entitled, in a supplementary question, to ask the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that breaches of the Cowper-Temple Clause are taking place in connection with provided schools?

The hon. Member is entitled to ask a supplementary question in order to elucidate the answer which has been given by the President of the Board of Education, but he is not entitled to ask anything further.

May I ask the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware that in certain of these schools doctrinal teaching is being included in the authorised syllabus?

I am not aware of that fact, but, if my hon. Friend has any such information, perhaps he will give it to me.

Milk Consumption

40.

asked the President of the Board of Education what educational authorities are participating in the campaign to increase the consumption of milk by school children; and what extension of the campaign is in contemplation?

I understand from the National Milk Publicity Council that their milk service scheme in the schools is in operation in 82 areas, with the general approval and encouragement of the local education authorities concerned. A number of other authorities are providing milk meals under their arrangements for the provision of meals. I am anxious to see an increase in the consumption of milk in the schools, and with this end in view, I am keeping in close touch with the National Milk Publicity Council.

In view of the fact that milk is being given to the school children, may I ask what steps are being taken to see that the milk is free from tuberculosis?

I believe very great care is taken by the council in that respect.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in this respect he is doing no more than has been done by the late Government?

Transport Of Children

44.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he has come to any fresh decision with regard to the percentage grant for transport of school children in rural areas?

Has the fact been brought to the notice of the right hon. Gentleman that this matter is causing a great deal of anxiety?

Reorganisation Schemes

49.

asked the President of the Board of Education how many local education authorities have submitted full schemes for changes which will be necessary if the School Attendance Bill is passed by 1931; and how many have refused to submit such schemes until the Bill is passed?

245 authorities have submitted programmes already, of which 201 are complete and 44 are partial or preliminary. Nearly all these programmes make provision for the situation which will result from the raising of the school-leaving age. Three authorities have informed me that they are not prepared to submit programmes until the Education (School Attendance) Bill becomes law.

Maintenance Allowances

50.

asked the President of the Board of Education if he has received the Report of the Committee who are advising him on the means tests for maintenance grants for school children upon the compulsory raising of the school age?

I have not yet received this Report, but I understand that a draft Report will he considered by the Committee at their meeting to-morrow.

National Income

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether the Economic Advisory Committee will inquire and report on the distribution and destination of the national income with special reference to the amount taken from the total pool by producers and distributors, respectively, comparing the proportions before and after the Great War?

I will consider my hon. Friend's suggestion.

Agriculture

Imported Produce

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the situation created by bounty-fed competition, it is the intention of His Majesty's Government to denounce such treaties and conventions as forbid the imposition of countervailing duties in this country; and, if so, when that intention will be implemented?

I have been asked to answer this question. The answer to the first part is in the negative; the second part, therefore, does not arise.

Is it the intention of the Government to allow these conditions to continue permanently?

No. We make whatever representations are possible, but my hon. Friend asks me to do an impossible thing. I should have to denounce almost a score of treaties, with disastrous results to British commerce.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the disastrous results to British agriculture?

Are not these restrictions the result of the legislation passed in the last four years?

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider entering into negotiations, for example, with the German Government on this subject, without necessarily denouncing a treaty, but modifying it?

In one of the previous Debates in the House I indicated that, we had made informal representations at Geneva. That, in fact, has already been done.

I cannot anticipate the result this afternoon, but, they have promised to give the matter most careful consideration. I am hoping that there will be a result.

Government Policy

47.

asked the Prime Minister when the White Paper on Agricultural Policy will be published; whether the White Paper will state in detail the action which it is proposed to take in response to the recommendations received from the Agricultural Conference; and whether a day will be allocated in the immediate future for a discussion of the condition of agriculture?

79.

asked the Minister of Agriculture when the White Paper on the Government's agricultural policy will be available for Members?

I have been asked to reply. A number of proposals are receiving expert examination, and, when the inquiries are complete, a statement will be made. My right hon. Friend cannot anticipate the form which will be adopted, or the material which it will contain. In reply to the last part of the question by the hon. Member for Stone (Sir J. Lamb), I would refer him to the reply which the Prime Minister gave to a similar question by the hon. Member for Eye (Mr. Granville) on the 3rd March.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give any intimation at all when it is probable that we shall have any statement from him or from anyone in the Government with regard to this question? Is he not aware that it is now nearly 12 months since promises were made, and nothing whatever has been done for the industry?

Considering that Question No. 47 deals, among other things, with the business of the House, asking whether a day will be allocated in the immediate future for a discussion of the condition of agriculture, is there any reason why the Prime Minister should not have answered it himself?

Having regard to the urgency of this problem, will the right hon. Gentleman exclude the further delay of any reference to a referendum?

Can we have no date at all from the Government when they are going to make a pronouncement upon policy or give an opportunity for discussion? Agriculture has not been mentioned for 12 months in this House.

71.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he is now in a position to give the House detailed information concerning the Government's agricultural policy?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to a similar question on the 3rd April, to which there is at, present nothing to add.

Can the right hon. Gentleman indicate when I may repeat the question so as to get a reply?

I think that that is a question which the hon. Member must decide for himself.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman realise that this matter is vital to the life of a great many people in this country?

Potato Industry

72.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he can give the estimated loss on the potato crop, per acre, for the year 1929–30?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that English potatoes are now being dumped into refuse pits as they are unsaleable owing to the importation of foreign potatoes?

Is no information at all available from the Ministry of Agriculture?

We have a great amount of information. The hon. and gallant Member is referring to last year's potatoes and not to this year's potatoes.

Allotments

75.

asked the Minister of Agriculture the present number of allotments in this country, and their total aggregate as compared with the figures for the last five years?

As the reply consists of a number of figures, I propose, with the permission of the hon. Member, to circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the reply:

The returns of allotments in England and Wales for 1929 are now being tabulated, but the results will not be available for about a month. The figures for the preceding five years are as follows:

No.Acreage.
19241,170,000168,500
19251,115,000165,000
19261,079,000163,500
19271,047,000158,500
19281,024,000154,000

Small Holdings

76.

asked the Minister of Agriculture the acreage of small holdings in the country on which cereals were grown in 1929; and whether in any recorded cases in which such cereals have been grown a profit has been made?

I regret that the information desired by the hon. Member is not available.

Milk Publicity Campaign

78.

asked the Minister of Agriculture what steps are being taken to renew and extend the drink-more-milk campaign; and what evidences are available of the increased consumption of liquid milk as a result of such propaganda?

There is no special milk advertising campaign in progress in this country at the present time, but the National Milk Publicity Council is continuing its work in the formation of milk clubs in the elementary and secondary schools of this country, which it is estimated has increased the consumption of milk by about 4,000,000 gallons a year.

Is not the right hon. Gentleman's Department taking some co-operative action with the Empire Marketing Board to bring about the success of this campaign?

The Empire Marketing Board, at our suggestion, is now spending a considerable sum of money and assisting in this matter.

Public Health

Hop-Pickers

51.

asked the Minister of Health how many local authorities have improved their code of by-laws during the previous two years with reference to the sanitary conditions that exist through the hop-picking season; and can he state whether any further improvements have been suggested by his Department to local authorities for the forthcoming season?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer given on this subject to the hon. Member for Barnstaple (Sir B. Peto) on the 15th April.

Has the Ministry any inspectors who take opportunities of seeing these hop-pickers, and seeing whether any improvement in the conditions can be made?

Blind Welfare, North Wales

58.

asked the Minister of Health whether his attention has been called to the fact that, as a result of the new arrangements for the payment of the Government grant to the North Wales Home Teaching Society for the Blind, the society will receive no Government grant for the period from 1st October, 1929, to 31st March, 1930; and whether, in view of the fact that this will seriously cripple the work of the society, he will give instructions for the customary grant to be made for this period?

In the year ended 31st March last this society received a full year's Exchequer grant and, by the provisions of the scheme made under Section 102 of the Local Government Act, it will receive a full year's contribution from the local authorities during the present and each succeeding financial year. The continuity of the payments to the society is thus preserved, and I am unable to see how the changes effected by the Act will cripple its work.

Is it not a fact that there will be a gap of six months owing to the change over between payment by the Government direct and by the local authorities?

That is not so. There is no gap. There is continuity of payment. I have tried to explain it on several occasions. It really needs a blackboard and easel to make it perfectly plain. [Interruption.] Hon. Members are unduly touchy about it. I do not know if the hon. and gallant Gentleman is. On previous occasions I have tried to make it clear that the Exchequer grants for the full year were paid up till 31st March last and, from this year onwards, similar grants will be paid to local authorities.

Thames Ditton Island (Drainage)

60.

asked the Minister of Health what action his Department proposes to take, following representations made in 1925 to the Hampton Urban District Council, for the provision of a deep drainage system on Thames Ditton Island?

Some recommendations were made by my Department following an investigation made in 1925, but no further communications have passed since that date.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the ordinary sanitary services on this island are entirely neglected, with the result that the conditions constitute a positive menace to public health as well as being destructive of the amenities of the river?

I was unaware of the problem until my hon. Friend brought it to my notice, and I have been in communication with the local authorities this week.

London Refuse (Disposal)

61.

asked the Minister of Health how soon the Report of the Departmental Committee on the Disposal of London Refuse is to be published?

I am informed that the Report is likely to be signed in the course of the present month.

Has there not been some reason for the delay during the past three months which was not anticipated by the Minister?

No, only the delay occasioned by the unfortunate death of the Chairman.

As the Minister foreshadowed our having the Report in February, and it is now May, will he see that it is not only signed but published at a very early date?

Smoke Abatement

62.

asked the Minister of Health how many local authorities have made by-laws under Section 5 of the Public Health (Smoke Abatement) Act, 1926; whether model by-laws under this Section have been issued from the Ministry of Health for the guidance of local authorities; and, if not, will he state the reason?

No local authority has made by-laws, or forwarded draft by-laws, under this Section. Model by-laws have not yet been issued, by reason of technical difficulties.

Are the practical difficulties such that opinion of the Ministry the Act is practically inoperative?

That may be true. It is clear that the difficulties of framing adequate model by-laws are such that we have not yet been able to overcome them.

Housing

Slum Clearance

52.

asked the Minister of Health the general nature of the representations which he has received from local authorities concerning the Housing (No. 2) Bill since its introduction in this House?

I understand that the Associations of Local Authorities have the Bill under consideration, and will, no doubt, have questions of detail to raise. I have received very few representations from individual local authorities. I think, however, that I can fairly say, from the discussions which I have had with the representatives of local authorities and from consideration of the conclusions of the important Conference of the Association of Municipal Corporations on slum areas, that the local authorities are generally in favour of my proposals.

Has the right hon. Gentleman received and considered representations to the effect that the removal bonus from slum areas should be paid whether people are moved to new or to old houses?

That matter has been raised by the Association of Municipal Corporations, and I promised to give it careful and independent consideration.

Paving Charges

57.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is now in a position to announce the result of his inquiry into the burden of paving charges on owner-occupiers of new houses; and what action he proposes to take in the matter?

I regret that this investigation has not yet reached a stage at which definite results can be announced. I may say that some notes on the subject of private street charges appeared in the last Annual Report of the Ministry and further notes will be inserted in the forthcoming Report.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give us any date when he will take any action?

I cannot take action until the problem has been thoroughly explored by the local authorities. That is what they are doing now.

National Health Insurance

54.

asked the Minister of Health what steps he proposes to take to prevent persons suffering hardship through loss of benefit in those cases where the Minister or approved society fails to secure payment of the contributions from defaulting employers; and will he consider the question of stamping these cards from the unclaimed stamps sales account funds?

The moneys in the Unclaimed Stamps Sales Account are required to meet the cost of excusing the arrears of insured persons who are genuinely unemployed, and they are not more than sufficient for this purpose. There would be, in any case, in my judgment, serious objections to using any part of these moneys to cover up the default of employers who have failed to comply with their statutory obligations to pay contributions.

Does the right hon. Gentleman remember that he was constantly complaining of this position?

56.

asked the Minister of Health if there are any statistics available to show the incidence of claims for sickness and disablement benefits by areas?

As approved societies are not ordinarily organised on a territorial basis, no general statistics are available showing the incidence of claims for sickness and disablement benefits by areas. There is, however, some interesting information bearing on the point in pages 34 and 35 of the Report of the Government Actuary on the Second Valuation of Approved Societies, a copy of which I am sending to the hon. Member.

Poor Law

Institutions (English-Killed Meat)

55.

asked the Minister of Health in how many Poor Law institutions in rural areas the inmates are supplied with English-killed meat?

Relief

59.

asked the Minister of Health whether he can state the town or district in England and Wales which has the largest number per 10,000 of its population in receipt of Poor Law relief?

On 22nd March last, which is the latest date for which figures are available, the parish of Poplar, which is conterminous with the borough of Poplar, had the largest number.

Sums available for the repayment of the National

Debt.

Actual.
Financial Year.Budget provision as estimatedFrom Budget Sinking Fund provision.Surplus (+) or Deficit (-) on year.Sundry amounts applied from other sources.*Total.
£££££
1924–545,000,00045,000,000+ 3,659,0005,634,00054,293,000
1925–650,000,00050,000,000-14,038,1204,161,00040,123,000
1926–760,000,00060,000,000-36,693,7944,740,00028,046,000
1927–865,000,00065,000,0006,494,00071,494,000
1928–965,000,000‡57,509,000‡57,509,000‡
1929–3050,400,00047,748,000-14,523,00033,225,000
1930–155,400,000

* "The amounts applied from other sources" do not include every miscellaneous item that went to Debt redemption outside the Budget. The column is inserted for comparative purposes and shows the so-called concealed Sinking Funds (namely, Principal Repayments of Dominion and certain other loans, interest on Victory Bonds held by National Debt

Commissioners, etc.) which from 1928 onwards have ceased to operate independently.

† The Budget surpluses of 1927–28 and 1928–29 were not applied to Debt redemption.
‡ These sums include £13,423,000 from the Currency Note Assets.

National Savings Certificates

63.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider the desirability of enabling purchasers of national savings certificates to hold more than the present limit of 500; and whether, in the interests of thrift, he will increase the limit to 1,000?

The interest earned on savings certificates is exempt from Income Tax and Surtax, and in these circumstances I cannot consider raising the limit for the number of certificates which can be held by one person.

National Debt (Repayment)

65.

asked the Chanellor of the Exchequer whether he can state, on the comparable basis adopted in the Budget Statement of 1928, the net yield available for the repayment of the National Debt and the payment of the interest on savings certificates annually encashed in each of the six years from 1924–25 to 1929–30, inclusive?

I am circulating in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table giving the figures asked for by the right hon. Gentleman.

Following is the table:

Interest on Savings Certificates.

Financial Year.Estimated.Actual.
Provided from Budget.Borrowed.
£££
1924–57,000,0007,101,000
1925–67,000,0007,103,000
1926–77,000,00012,279,000
1927–89,000,00015,077,000
1928–913,600,00017,934,000
1929–3016,600,00015,542,0004,819,000
1930–3123,000,000

Income Tax

66.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if his attention has been drawn to a memorandum recently issued regarding the deduction of Income Tax for the years 1930 and 1931, stating that where on payment of a dividend, other than such a preference dividend as aforesaid, Income Tax has, under Rule 20 of the General Rules, been deducted therefrom by reference to a standard rate greater or less than the standard rate for the year in which the dividend became due the net amount received shall, for all the purposes of the Income Tax Act, be deemed to represent income of such an amount as would, after deduction of tax by reference to the standard rate last mentioned, be equal to the net amount received, and for the said purposes there shall be deemed to have been paid in respect of that income by deduction tax of such an amount as is equal to the amount of tax on that income computed by reference to the standard rate last mentioned; and if he will take such steps as may be necessary to render these instructions more explicit and intelligible to the taxpayer?

The passage cited by the hon. and gallant Member is itself a quotation of the terms of a Resolution framed in Committee of Ways and Means on 14th April. The use of technical language cannot, I fear, always be avoided in legislation on technical subjects. This Resolution affects only a small proportion of taxpayers, and I am sure the staff of the Inland Revenue Department will be most ready to help any taxpayers who may find it necessary to consult them as to its application to their particular circumstances.

Will the right hon. Gentleman have such instructions issued to the Treasury as will prevent the issue of such unintelligible and ridiculous jargon in future?

Does the right hon. Gentleman himself know what this means?

As my right hon. Friend said a few minutes ago, if I had chalk and a blackboard here I think I could make it perfectly clear.

National Investment

67.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the issue in this country of the State of San Paulo Seven per Cent. Coffee Realisation Loan, amounting to £8,000,000, he will consider setting up a board of national investment so that the capital resources of Britain can be directed into channels calculated to stimulate employment and revive depressed industries?

The question of the direction of investment is under the review of the Macmillan Committee. Meantime, as my hon. Friend is aware, the Government have been giving the closest attention both to schemes of home development and to the question of capital resources for depressed industries in this country.

Is it not necessary, if investment is to be directed properly, that we should have a new Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Silk Duty (Toy Balls)

70.

asked the Finanial Secretary to the Treasury if he is aware that on consignments of beach balls made of rubber cloth, which are now being imported for the holiday season, duly is being charged on a few threads of artificial silk which carry the small cotton flap which is attached to the ball; that in a consignment of three gross of these toys the value of the silk is only 6d. out of a total value of the consignment of nearly £20; that these consignments are being held up at the customs and the merchants put to inconvenience as the customs are claiming a small sum by way of duty; and whether the regulations can be altered so that very small quantities of artificial silk may not be levied duty on when they are part of a larger and more valuable consignment of non-dutiable goods?

In the absence of particulars of the place and date of importation and the names of the ship and the importer, it is not possible to trace the consignment referred to. There is, however, under the existing law no general provision for exempting goods from duty on the ground that the amount in particular cases is small, but even if there were, the goods would still have to be entered and examined by the Customs as part of the ordinary import procedure.

Is not my hon. Friend aware that I sent him full particulars of this case—the various letters and all details some days ago?

Winchelsea Beach (Drainage)

77.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he is aware of the danger to the homes of a number of families because of the encroachment of the sea at Winchelsea beach; and whether, seeing that if there is a heavy sea many hundreds of acres will be inundated, he will consult with the Lord Privy Seal with a view to initiate public works there with the least possible delay?

The conditions at Winchelsea beach have been known to the Ministry for some years past, and the Ministry's chief drainage engineer made inspections on the 4th, 25th and 29th April. Repeated efforts have been made by the Ministry to secure the inclusion of this area in an adjoining drainage district, but these have been opposed locally owing to the heavy burden which the necessary remedial works would impose on the area. The fact is that until the Drainage Bill now before Parliament becomes law there are no statutory means available for dealing adequately with this case. The Ministry, however, is in communication with the county council in the hope that the owners may be induced to co-operate in a comprehensive scheme.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the sea and the tide will not wait for the Government to pass their Bill? Cannot some arrangement be made to keep out the sea by temporary work by arrangement with the Lord Privy Seal, as in the meantime people are in danger of losing their homes and property?

I am aware of the effect of the sea and the tide, but at the same time we can only administer the law as we find it.

Can the right hon. Gentleman inform the House whether it is a fact that one of the landowners has been thrown into the sea there?

We have made repeated efforts to secure the inclusion of the area in a scheme for some years past, and there has been some objection by local owners. They are now paying the penalty.

In view of the imminence of danger to life in that area, cannot emergency steps be taken in the matter?