Unemployment
Benefit
2.
asked the Minister of Labour whether he will consider making an amendment to the Insurance Benefit Regulations, 1936, to provide that an unemployed insured man, whose wife is in receipt of health insurance benefit, shall be allowed to draw dependants benefit in respect of her from the date his unemployment commences instead of the date of his application for such benefit, if the application is delayed by reason of his lack of knowledge of his rights in this regard?
Regulations made under Section 39 (2) of the Unemployment Insurance Act, 1935, enable an earlier date to be substi- tuted for the date of an application for dependants benefit in cases in which good cause is shown for delay in making the application. The question whether in a particular case the insured contributor shows good cause for delay is, like all other questions of title to benefit, determined by the independent statutory authorities.
Will the Parliamentary Secretary apply himself to the question whether the Minister is prepared to amend the Regulations so that the statement he has read shall not apply?
The Regulations at present allow for delayed applications for benefit in cases in which good cause is shown for delay. As at present advised I see no reason for holding out any promise of a change.
Is not the hon. Member aware that these unemployed men are denied benefit because they are ignorant of their rights under the Statute to draw benefit? Will he make representations to his right hon. Friend the Minister to see whether an amendment cannot be made so that unemployed men are not denied their rights when Parliament has decreed that they shall have this benefit?
If the hon. Member has any particular case in mind, I shall be glad to have it brought to my notice. In general, the fact that if reasonable cause is shown redress is possible meets the average good case.
7.
asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that in a number of cases unemployment benefit had been refused to workers who had received sums far less than their normal wages during the holiday period; and what steps he proposes to take to secure an alteration?
My right hon. Friend has under consideration the recent report by the Unemployment Insurance Statutory Committee on this and allied questions.
Is it proposed to introduce legislation on the subject during the present Session, or can it be done by administrative action?
We propose first to consider the report.
Can we expect an early decision by the Government based on that report?
As early a decision as is practicable.
Allowances
5.
asked the Minister of Labour whether, in view of the destitution suffered by many families by reason of prolonged unemployment, he will obtain powers to provide the unemployed and their dependants with increased allowances during the Christmas holidays?
My right hon. Friend has no power to increase unemployment benefit payments in Christmas week. As regards unemployment allowances I am informed by the Board that, while their officers are always prepared to consider cases of special need, it is not proposed to increase allowances generally during the Christmas holidays.
Do I understand that the Minister says that they have no power to make any additional allowances?
Not to increase them generally. This, of course, leaves the Board open to consider the question of personal allowances.
Will the Minister recommend the Board to do so?
15.
asked the Minister of Labour the number of extra winter Unemployment Assistance Board allowances granted at the Jarrow-Hebburn Exchange and to the men in the Felling area, respectively?
These allowances first become operative in payments ending 14th November and information as to the number of such additions is, therefore, not yet available.
Romford
10.
asked the Minister of Labour the total number of persons signing on at the Romford Employment Exchange at the beginning of November in 1930, 1937, and 1938, respectively?
The total numbers of unemployed persons, aged 14 and over, on the registers of the Romford Employment Exchange were 715 at 27th October, I930, 1,574 at 18th October, 1937, and 3,174 at 17th October, 1938. I should add that the number of insured persons aged 16–64 in this area was about doubled between 1930 and 1938.
11.
asked the Minister of Labour what was the full staff employed at the Romford Employment Exchange at the beginning of November in 1930, 1937, and 1938, respectively?
The total staff employed at the Romford Employment Exchange at the dates mentioned numbered 7, 22 and 32, respectively.
Hornchurch
12.
asked the Minister of Labour when a decision is to be taken as to the site for the proposed temporary employment exchange in Hornchurch; and when construction is to commence?
It is proposed to adapt premises for immediate use as an office as soon as they can be found. The search is being diligently pursued.
Will the Minister press the matter, as the present arrangements are entirely inadequate for the Hornchurch people?
I can assure the hon. Member to that effect.
Eire Citizens
13.
asked the Minister of Labour how many citizens of Eire are now resident in Great Britain; how many of these are scheduled employed; and how many unemployed?
I regret that the information desired by my hon. Friend is not available.
Has my hon. Friend any basis on which to make any estimate of these figures?
It would be impossible without making inquiry of every person on the register, but I can assure my hon. Friend that the possible existence of these unemployed is appreciated.
Could not the Minister find out how many there are in Liverpool or Glasgow?
Has the Department any information of the influence of emigration from Ireland on the unemployed figures here?
It is impossible to say that without the figures, which are impossible to obtain at present. I appreciate the interest hon. Members are showing in this problem, and I can assure my hon. Friend that his observation will not be overlooked.
Does that mean that there is to be no work for the Irish in Liverpool, and that you will want them for the Army?
Greenock
14.
asked the Minister of Labour whether he has observed that the number of unemployed persons registered at the Employment Exchange, Greenock, rose from 6,284 on 30th September, 1938, to 6,984 on 31st October, 1938; and whether he has any explanation to account for this increase of 700 in one month?
I fail completely to recognise the figures which the hon. and learned Member has quoted. The count of unemployed persons on the registers of Employment Exchanges was taken at 12th September and 17th October respectively. The numbers of unemployed persons on the registers of the Greenock Employment Exchange were 6,640 at 12th September and 6,538 at 17th October, showing a decrease of 102 in the month. Comparable figures for other dates in these months are not available.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that I have in my hand a report of the chief public assistance officer in Greenock showing the figures which appear in my question? Is he aware that this matter is causing great concern in Greenock, and that business men there are willing to put up money for armaments work in the Caird yard if the Minister of Labour will give his assistance in the matter? Will the hon. Gentleman consult with his right hon. Friend the Minister so that he may make representations to the Minister for the Co-ordination of Defence who has this matter before him?
I will take note of the hon. Member's observations. With regard to the figures, the only official figures that are published are those I have just quoted.
Lancashire Industrial Sites Company
69.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury the present position of the Lancashire Site Company; and what steps have been taken, if any, to establish new industries in the depressed areas of the county Palatine?
70.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury how many site companies have been established under the Special Areas (Amendment) Act, 1937; how many factories have been built by these companies; the number employed at these factories; and the total amount spent by the Government in connection with these site companies?
I have been asked to reply. The Treasury have received no applications for assistance to site companies other than the Lancashire Industrial Sites Company, the capital of which was finally subscribed about three months ago. The Treasury have agreed to find £64,166, one-quarter of the total capital of this company. The hon. Members will appreciate that the day to day progress of a site company's work is primarily the concern of its management. I understand, however, that the company is actively pursuing its objective and is in negotiation with a number of prospective tenants, though no factories have yet actually been built.
I am sorry to put this question to the hon. and gallant Gentleman, but would he ask his right hon. Friend how comes it about that the Treasury undertakes this task of dealing with the unemployment problem in Lancashire; and would he be good enough to tell us whether, since the site company in Lancashire has been established, it has done anything whatever except writing letters and publishing pamphlets?
I will bring the points of the hon. Gentleman to the notice of my right hon. Friend.
Will the hon. and gallant Gentleman convey to his right hon. Friend this position, that in 1937, when this Act was brought before this House, views were expressed that it would give new hope to those areas outside the boundaries of Special Areas; and, in view of the fact that only one site company has been formed and has not yet built any factory at all, will he reconsider the whole question, as the Act is a farce?
Is it not the fact that the site company is ancillary to the Lancashire Development Council, and that that council has in fact secured the establishment of many industries in that county?
Special Areas Reconstruction Association
71.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury the total sum granted by the Special Areas Reconstruction Association in each of the Special Areas from the commencement up to date; how many new factories have been established by their existence; and the total fresh employment provided in each area, respectively?
As the answer contains a number of figures I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
Following is the answer:
The following table gives the total amounts which the Special Areas Reconstruction Association has agreed to lend in the various Special Areas (including loans to existing concerns), together with the numbers of new businesses involved; some of the factories are, of course, not yet completed. It is not possible to estimate accurately the new employment resulting from the association's work:
— | Amount of loans agreed (for new and existing business). | Number of new business. |
£ | ||
Durham and Tyneside. | 273,600 | 29 |
South Wales | 231,800 | 25 |
West Cumberland | 87,650 | 8 |
Scotland | 221,750 | 26 |
Totals | £814,800 | 88 |
Wages (Pay-Day)
6.
asked the Minister of Labour whether he will take the initiative to induce employers of labour to adopt the system now in operation in many industries of paying the weekly wage on Thursdays, especially when the five-day week is established and work ceases on Friday afternoon?
The day of the week on which payment of wages is made is a domestic matter which does not, I think, call for any action by my right hon. Friend.
Would it not be possible for the Minister to make representations to employers?
Conditions vary so infinitely in different industries that no such course would be helpful.
Distributive Trades (Hours Of Labour)
8.
asked the Minister of Labour whether he will take steps to introduce legislation to reduce the hours of labour in the distributive and kindred trades?
Schemes for the regulation of wages and conditions in the retail distributive trades prepared by the English and Scottish Joint Committees of employers' organisations and the trade unions, were submitted to my right hon. Friend earlier in the year, and these schemes are now being re-examined in the light of subsequent discussions with my Department. My right hon. Friend proposes to consider the whole question in the light of these discussions. In the meantime I am glad to say that voluntary agreements are continuing to be made which, I hope, will provide the basis of general action.
Is the Minister aware that in this section of industry the hours are very much longer than in many other industries, and scandalously long in certain areas, and that there is room here for beneficial legislation to bring the distributive workers up to the average of productive workers generally?
The agreements which have been made are not confined to hours, but deal with conditions in general, and voluntary arrangements are gradually bringing the conditions up to other standards.
Is it not a fact that many of these people are unorganised and cannot get the benefit of voluntary agreements, and are not certain legislative measures therefore required?
Will the Minister see that if there is a reduction of hours they are taken off in the morning, because working people are engaged at their work all day and cannot shop until the evening? Cannot work in the distributive trades begin at 12 o'clock?
Sentences, Stoke-On-Trent
17.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his attention has been called to the case of three Communists who were fined £5 each for chalking certain words on a building in Stoke-on-Trent, and, if so, will he make inquiries with a view to reducing the sentences?
I have caused inquiry to be made, and am informed that the three men were convicted of an offence against a local by-law prohibiting the defacing of walls by unauthorised writing without the permission of the owner. The defendants did not appear in answer to the summons, but each sent a letter to the court. It was, of course, open to them to appeal to quarter sessions, but the defendants did not take advantage of the machinery provided by the law for persons who feel themselves aggrieved by the decisions of courts of summary jurisdiction. I regret that having given careful consideration to all the information before me I can find no ground on which I should be justified in advising any interference with the decision of the court.
Does my right hon. Friend recollect the case in which officers who painted Stonehenge, doing permanent damage, were fined £2 each, and does he think that £5 for putting chalk on walls is a proper punishment?
It is not for the Home Secretary to say whether a penalty imposed by a court, on whose shoulders is the responsibility, is right or wrong. In a matter of this kind I am acting in accordance with the precedent adopted by every Home Secretary in the past.
Will the Home Secretary reconsider this matter on the basis of an investigation of the accuracy of one of the statements in the question, and will he also take into consideration the ages of these boys who were fined £5?
I have said that from the information at my disposal there is no justification for my intervention. If the hon. Member will send me any additional facts, of course I will take them into account, without in any way suggesting what action I will take on them.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether it was the first offence of these people?
Courts Of Laws (Reporters)
18.
asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the tendency on the part of various branches of the judiciary to exclude reporters from different courts while certain cases are under consideration, he will set investigations on foot to ascertain whether, in all such recent cases which have occurred, the judicial authorities concerned are acting in accordance with the law?
My attention has not been drawn to any cases in which reporters have been excluded from court proceedings in contravention of the law, but if my hon. and gallant Friend has in mind certain cases in which reporters have been excluded from the preliminary investigations of indictable cases by examining magistrates, the position as I am advised is that when justices are making such a preliminary investigation for the purpose of determining whether or not a defendant should be committed for trial, they are not required to sit in open court though it is the practice for them to do so. In my view they should not sit in private save in exceptional cases such as those in which they are satisfied that publicity given to these preliminary proceedings will prejudice the ends of justice.
Will my right hon. Friend kindly investigate any specific case brought to his notice by the bodies representing journalists?
I will, of course, take into account any facts brought to my notice by responsible bodies or responsible individuals. Whether even in that case I should have any jurisdiction is another matter.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether his consent was obtained before a reporter was refused permission to see a charge sheet from which a defendant's name had been taken out and the number 35 A inserted instead?
I could not possibly answer a supplementary question of that kind without further details.
22.
asked the Home Secretary whether his attention has been called to the inadequate accommodation for reporters in some of the London police courts; who is responsible for the provision of such accommodation; and whether he can make suitable representations to such responsible authorities for the improvement of working conditions?
The provision of these courts is a charge on the Metropolitan Police Fund. Most of the Metropolitan police courts were constructed many years ago and, as was pointed out by the recent Departmental Committee, the accommodation is in many respects inadequate for modern needs. A building programme has been adopted and I hope that within the next few years substantial progress will be made with the reconstruction of these courts. In this connection the need for improved accommodation for representatives of the Press will not be overlooked. The question of the provision of any accommodation additional to that specially reserved for the Press is one for the magistrates at each court. I am having inquiry made as to the general arrangements in this respect throughout the Metropolitan police courts.
Is it not possible to make a charge, so that the reporters could contribute to the fees which the unfortunate litigants have to pay?
23.
asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware of the published complaint of the Metropolitain police magistrate who sits at the South-western police court, that he is persistently misreported in the Press in carrying out his judicial duties; that complaints have been made by representatives of the Press as to their treatment by the said magistrate; and whether, in the interests of the administration of justice, he proposes to take any action in the matter?
The first part of the question relates to a protest with which all public speakers will sympathise against a practice adopted by some newspapers of giving misleading impressions by headlines and by methods of selection and compression. The second part of the question relates, apparently, to the difficulty experienced at this court, as at others, of finding sufficient and suitable accommodation for Press representatives. As I have just stated, special attention is being given to this matter.
Racecourse Betting Control Board
19.
asked the Home Secretary particulars of what grants have been made with his approval by the Racecourse Betting Control Board from the totalisator fund for improvements in the breeds of horses and/or other reasons for the 12 months ended at the last convenient date?
Particulars of the approved grants made by the board out of the surplus in the totalisator fund arising from their operations during the 12 months ended 31st December, 1937, will be found in Part III of their Annual Report for that year, which was presented to Parliament and published by the Stationery Office in June, 1938. The amounts shown as "unallocated" in that Report have since been allocated with my approval. The grants given for purposes conducive to improvements of breeds of horses amounted to £8,485; those for purposes conducive to improvements in the sport of horse racing to £136,350; and those towards the advancement and encouragement of veterinary science and education to £5,165.
Can the Minister say whether any application has been made for a supplementary grant for the relief of jockeys in National Hunt races?
No, Sir, not without notice.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say how much of the surplus is used for reducing the very heavy debt that was incurred in the past?
No, Sir, not without notice, and I must not be taken as accepting the hon. Member's assumption.
Is there any proof that the breed of horses has been improved by these grants?
That, obviously, is another question, and I should not like to be responsible for answering it.
Spanish Vessels (Masters, Cardiff)
20.
asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that the captains of Spanish Government vessels who have been dismissed from their posts are still residing in Cardiff; and whether he can explain why they have not yet been repatriated to Spain?
Yes, Sir, I understand that certain masters of Spanish ships requisitioned by the Spanish Government received notices from the Spanish Government to leave their ships. Some have left the country but about five remain in South Wales, where the ships of which they were masters have been laid up. As they have not become a public charge and are not seeking other employment, there has been no occasion to consider their repatriation.
Will the right hon. Gentleman make further inquiries into the operations of these gentlemen? It is alleged that they were dismissed by the Spanish Government because they were acting as agents for General Franco.
I have no information to that effect. If the hon. Member has any specific information and will send it to me I will consider it. My information goes to show that these particular individuals are not costing this country anything, they are not in employment, and there would be no justification for ordering their repatriation.
Does the right hon. Gentleman not consider it rather strange that these gentlemen have been residing in Cardiff for several months since their dismissal without any visible means of subsistence?
No, Sir. I have no information other than the information I have given to the hon. Member.
They are spying for General Franco.
Is it not a fact that these ships wore the property of supporters of the Nationalist Government in Spain and may it not be possible that they are kept waiting here till the ships revert to their rightful owners?
Bogus Clubs
21.
asked the Home Secretary when he intends to introduce the long-promised legislation to deal with bogus clubs?
The hon. Baronet will realise that the legislative programme foreshadowed in the King's Speech will make heavy demands upon Parliamentary time, and I regret that I am not at present in a position to make any statement in regard to the introduction of this Bill.
Surely my right hon. Friend realises that he gave us a promise that he would deal with the matter in the near future, and that was a long time ago? Does he not realise that the owners of licensed premises pay very heavy taxation, and that their livelihood and the revenue which the Government draw in taxation from these houses is being eaten into by these bogus clubs? Does he not realise, also, that half these bogus clubs exist in my constituency and another quarter in his own?
I am aware of the facts brought out in the last part of the question of my hon. Friend. None the less, I regret to have to say to him that it must depend on Parliamentary time, and at the beginning of the Session I cannot give him any answer other than that which I have given him.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that these bogus clubs are not controlled by workmen at all?
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that many of them are helped and paid for by the drink trade itself, particularly in Wales?
Tunnel Accident, Elephant And Castle
24.
asked the Home Secretary whether he can give any information in connection with a. man who died on 2nd November after working in compressed air at the bottom of a 100-foot shaft at the tunnel extension of the Elephant and Castle sub-station; whether he has seen the recommendation of the jury at the inquest on the man, and what steps he proposes to take?
It appears that the recommendations of the Institution of Civil Engineers as regards the medical examination of workers engaged on this class of work were generally carried out, but that there was, unfortunately, some misunderstanding as to the medical examination of this particular man, who had assured the foreman that he was fit for the work. The matter will be further considered.
Aliens
25.
asked the Home Secretary how many aliens left this country on the three days 26th, 27th, and 28th September; and how many of those that left this country on those three days have now returned?
Every day large numbers of foreign visitors come into and go out of the country. The number of aliens who left the United Kingdom on the dates mentioned was 7,719, which exceeds the normal figure by about 4,300. The information asked for in the last part of the question cannot be given, as the passenger statistics merely record the number of arrivals and departures.
Will the right hon. Gentleman refuse readmission to these alien guests, who clearly have no desire to live in the country of their adoption?
I must decide these matters case by case. I cannot give a general answer.
26.
asked the Home Secretary how many aliens there are at present in the administrative county of London; and whether there is any restriction placed upon the movement of aliens to this area?
The number of aliens registered with the police in the Metropolitan Police District is 59,077 males and 60,611 females, making a total of 119,688. There is no direct restriction on the movements of aliens into this area, but if an alien wishes to come to this country to start a factory or, having recently arrived, applies for permission to remain here for such a purpose, it is the practice to ask him to give full particulars of his intended business, and to call his attention to the resolutions of the House of 12th March, 1936, and 18th November, 1936, regarding the encouragement of new industries in the older industrial centres. In appropriate cases the question of the location of his business is then considered, amongst other matters, in consultation with the Ministry of Labour and the Board of Trade.
Will my right hon. Friend consider making this vulnerable area less vulnerable by evacuating these aliens before the emergency occurs?
That, again, is much too general a question for me to deal with in answer to a supplementary question.
If it had not been for the admittance of aliens, is it not the case that many Members now on the other side would not be there?
Cotton Industry (Cardroom Dust)
27.
asked the Home Secretary when the committee appointed in March, 1937, to investigate the effect of dust in cardrooms on workers in the cotton industry will make its report?
Consideration of the report has, I understand, reached an advanced stage, and the committee hope to present it before the end of the year.
Refugees (Rearmament Employment)
29.
asked the Home Secretary whether, having regard to the shortage of skilled scientific man-power revealed in the speech of the Secretary of State for War of 3rd November, he will encourage the admission of refugees having specialist ability helpful to the rearmament programme?
Cases of refugees having special skill of the kind which my hon. Friend has in mind have been exceedingly rare, and he can be assured that if any person in this category wishes to come to this country his case will be carefully considered in consultation with the Service Department concerned.
School Children (Employment)
30.
asked the Home Secretary the number of school children employed for gain out of school hours; and whether it is on the increase?
Returns furnished by the education authorities in England and Wales show that the number of school children over the age of 12 who were employed on the 31st December, 1937, was 76,546 or 7.27 per cent, of all the children in that age-group. Similar returns in 1931 showed that the corresponding figure was 63,308 or 7·33 per cent, of the children then in that age-group.
In view of those figures showing an increase in the number of these children employed, is it possible for the right hon. Gentleman to take some steps to prevent the exploitation of school children, when we have so many other people unemployed?
The hon. Gentleman will see from my answer that the percentage has remained constant over these years—7.27 in this year and 7·33 in 1931, but I will take into account what he says in his supplementary question.
Will the right hon. Gentleman also take into account that during that period there has been a great improvement in the law regarding the conditions of young people employed in industry?
Will the right hon. Gentleman remember that although we are telling this nation to keep fit, it is almost impossible for these children to work and learn at the same time?
How many children are engaged in distributing the "Daily Herald" and other newspapers?
Will those who object to it make up the difference to the poor children who lose the money?
Post-Vaccinal Encephalitis (Coroners' Inquests)
31.
asked the Home Secretary what rules govern the holding of inquests in the case of deaths from postvaccinal encephalitis; and why inquests are held in some cases and not in others?
The circumstances in which coroners are required to hold an inquest are prescribed, not by rules, but by Section 3 of the Coroners Act, 1887, to which I would refer the hon. Member. The question whether an inquest should be held in any case is a matter for the coroner to decide.
Air-Raid Precautions
32.
asked the Lord Privy Seal the number and names of any voluntary organisations set up in Wales for air-raid precautions work; whether he will give the names of the principal officers of these organisations; and whether they are working under the control of the local authorities?
I have not been able, in the short time available, to obtain full information in answer to the hon. Member's question. Apart from any purely local organisations, the only voluntary association set up specifically for air-raid precautions purposes which is known to the- Department to be operating in Wales is the Women's Voluntary Services. The regional organiser of Women's Voluntary Services for Wales is Miss E. M. Owen. This organisation is not under the control of local authorities but works in close co-operation with them.
33.
asked the Lord Privy Seal the proposed organisation for air-raid precautions purposes in Wales; whether separate regions are to be set up; and whether he will give the number of regions and the names of the counties in each region?
The details are now being worked out, and I regret that at the moment I am not in a position to give a specific answer.
Will the right hon. Gentleman see, in setting up the regions, that Wales is made a separate region for this purpose?
That suggestion will certainly be borne in mind.
35.
asked the Lord Privy Seal the names of those local authorities who have not hitherto submitted to his Department any air-raid precautions scheme as requested to do so; and what steps are taken in such cases to accelerate progress?
As regards general air-raid precautions schemes, the procedure arranged with local authorities is that the various parts of a complete scheme should be submitted when ready, without awaiting the completion of a formal scheme. On this procedure parts of schemes have been submitted by the great majority of the authorities concerned, and it is known that other authorities will be submitting parts of their schemes in the near future. The inspectors of the Department are in touch with all local authorities to help them to expedite their schemes. As regards air-raid fire precautions, schemes have been submitted by 618 local authorities in England and Wales and are outstanding in the case of one county borough, 78 boroughs, and 267 urban district councils. Periodical returns are called for from all scheme-making authorities, and the opportunity is specifically taken to remind them of their statutory obligations in this matter.
Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the setting up of a black list, after a reasonable lapse of time, of those authorities who have failed to present any scheme to his Department?
I will take note of that suggestion.
Does the right hon. Gentleman recollect that the Home Secretary once stated in this House that he had not received schemes from several towns?
Why has it been thought necessary to evacuate Spen Valley?
37 and 38.
asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) whether he will take steps to provide means for the collection and official storage of gas-masks in densely populated areas;
(2) what steps he proposes to take for checking the condition of gas-masks already issued to the civilian population, bearing in mind the difficulty of safe storage in working-class homes?On the 28th October a circular was issued from the Home Office advising local authorities as to the steps which they should take to ensure that respirators already issued are kept in good condition. Among other suggestions made in that circular, it was recommended that, where people had no facilities for keeping their respirators in their homes in conditions under which they would remain serviceable, the local authorities should arrange for the respirators to be returned to them for storage.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that, in the case of a number of authorities, the containers, which are an essential part of the respirators, have not yet been supplied?
They are in process of being issued as rapidly as possible.
Does not my right hon. Friend realise that a great proportion of these respirators are already unserviceable through not being properly looked after; and is it not ludicrous to leave them in the possession of individuals?
It seems to me that, if they are unserviceable, no harm is done by leaving them there.
Will they all undergo proper preparation before they are required?
Would it not be advisable to call them all in?
39.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware that many young persons, especially girls, who are anxious to volunteer for air-raid precautions work have not signed on because, in the event of an emergency, they would still be dependent upon paid work for their maintenance and are not certain whether, in such event, their services in the air-raid precautions scheme would be paid for or be of such a nature as to prevent them from continuing to earn their living in other occupations; and whether he will endeavour to make this point clear at the earliest opportunity?
Yes, Sir; and I hope very soon to be in a position to make the situation clearer.
40.
asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will immediately inform local authorities that they should revet those trenches which are suitable with concrete or steel and cover them with suitable materials so as to restore the amenities of the districts?
As was stated in the course of the Debate on Thursday last, it is intended that trenches which have been properly sited should be completed, covered and given a permanent structure. Detailed suggestions as to methods of construction will be issued in the near future.
41.
asked the Lord Privy Seal what has been the cost of the provision of gas-masks for the use of the civilian population?
Approximately £5,000,000.
Is a further supply being manufactured?
Manufacture is proceeding continuously.
Education
Swimming Instruction
42.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether, in view of the educational and health benefit to be derived by the youth of Great Britain by having swimming lessons, and as the poorest children are unable to afford same, he will consider recommending that a grant be made to local authorities which will enable them to include swimming lessons in their ordinary curriculum?
Expenditure by local education authorities upon the teaching of swimming to children attending public elementary schools is recognised for grant from the Board of Education under the Elementary Education Grant Regulations, and I am glad to know that such instruction is being given to an increasing extent as part of the ordinary curriculum of the schools.
Is it proposed to increase the grant made to these schools?
No. The provision of swimming instruction for elementary school children is a matter for the local education authorities. In most cases the school children, as in the hon. Member's own constituency, are already attending public swimming baths.
What is the hon. Gentleman's attitude towards those places where there is no swimming bath of any kind for the children?
I am very glad to say that, through the National Fitness Council, large numbers of swimming baths are being provided in those areas.
Mock Election, St Bridget's Schools, Liverpool
43.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he is aware that on 31st October, the eve of the municipal elections, a mock election was held in the St. Bridget's Schools, Liverpool, the alleged purpose of the election being the teaching of civic pride; that the election was directed by a Conservative alderman and two Conservative councillors, both of whom are elected representatives of the ward in which the school is situated, and was attended also by the Conservative candidate for the same ward; and will he, while not forbidding such useful lessons in citizenship, inform the local education authority that he disapproves of the attendance of elected political representatives and candidates on such occasions, particularly at election times?
My Noble Friend's attention has been drawn to the mock election to which the hon. Member refers. He understands that in this school special attention is devoted to the teaching of citizenship, and that the election was part of such instruction. It appears that the arrangements were under the full control and direction of the headmaster, although members of the city council were present and acted as returning officers. While it is not suggested that any statements of a political character were made in the school, or that any improper use was made of the occasion, my Noble Friend thinks it undesirable that persons publicly associated with any political party should be present at school activities of this sort, during the progress of elections.
while thanking the hon. Gentleman for his reply, may I ask whether he could suggest to the local authority that in this particular case, where they take special interest in this matter in the schools, the mock election should take place not within, say, three months of the ordinary November election?
I should hardly like to interfere with the local authority's discretion.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the municipal elections were a mock election?
Secondary Education (Capital Expenditure)
50.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether the restriction of capital expenditure on the provision of secondary education outlined in Circular 1464 is applicable to all local education authorities, or whether it applies only to those authorities who seek an extension of time for the carrying out of reorganisation schemes in connection with elementary education?
The temporary restriction on the replacement, improvement and enlargement of existing secondary schools is of general application, but the hon. Member will be aware that the restriction may be waived in exceptional circumstances.
Would the Parliamentary Secretary make that circular available to Members of this House who desire information?
Yes, Sir, I shall be very glad to let any hon. Member have a copy of the circular.
Technical Education
51.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether the absence of any reference to technical education in Circular 1464 indicates that the Board desire local education authorities to submit schemes for the expansion of that form of education?
Yes, Sir. The Board are anxious that local education authorities should proceed, with as little delay as possible, with schemes to provide the accommodation for technical education required in their areas to meet the needs of industry.
Will the hon. Member consider issuing a circular supplementary to Circular 1464, giving the information he has just given?
I should like notice of that question.
Is my hon. Friend considering the diminished demand for technical education owing to the fall in the birth rate since 1920?
I am afraid I cannot agree with the hon. Gentleman. From the point of view of bricks and mortar, there is a definite shortage of facilities for technical education in this country, and the clear policy of the Board is to make that shortage good. That is why steps were taken some years ago to survey the country and to provide for additional expenditure in each area.
Have the Board taken into account the heavy fall in the birth rate which took place subsequent to 1920?
Lord Privy Seal (Staff)
45.
Fletcher asked the Prime Minister what staff will be allocated to the Lord Privy Seal for the performance of his duties in connection with civil defence; and on what day questions should be addressed to him?
For the bulk of his work the Lord Privy Seal will rely upon the services of the organisation which has hitherto served my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department. This organisation has, by mutual arrangement, been placed at his disposal, and it will be adjusted and expanded as experience may show to be necessary. In addition, the Lord Privy Seal is assembling a special staff, mainly for co-ordination purposes. As regards the last part of the question, I have consulted Mr. Speaker, and it has been arranged that the Lord Privy Seal should answer questions on Thursdays. Questions addressed to my right hon. Friend will, therefore, appear third on the Paper, immediately after questions addressed to my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary. This, I think, will be a convenient arrangement.
Does that mean that the Lord Privy Seal will answer in Parliament for A.R.P. services in Scotland,including fire services?
May I ask what address the Lord Privy Seal will have—where his office is to be?
His office is at the Home Office.
Is the Prime Minister incapable of answering the question of the hon. Member below the Gangway?
It is quite customary, when supplementary questions are asked which have not been put on the Paper, to ask that they should be put down.
As this is an important matter, would it be possible for a statement to be made to the House at the earliest convenient moment, so that we may understand to whom we should address questions?
Colonial And Mandated Territories
46.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will give an assurance that His Majesty's Government intends no transfer of British Colonial or Mandated Territories?
I have nothing to add to previous statements on this subject made on behalf of His Majesty's Government.
In order that we may be quite clear on the matter, may I ask whether His Majesty's Government adhere to an answer given to me by the Noble Lord the Member for South Dorset (Viscount Cranborne) in February of last year, when he said:
"His Majesty's Government have not considered and are not considering such a transfer."—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 15thFebruary, 1937; col. 815; Vol. 320.]
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer which was given on 30th November, 1937, which contains a statement of the present position.
How far have the Government moved from the position stated by the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, when he was Foreign Secretary and said that the question of the ex-German Colonies is not discussible?
Is the Prime Minister aware that any policy of colonial concession to Germany would meet, throughout the country, with tremendous opposition?
In consequence of the importance of this question, will the Prime Minister, when he meets Herr Hitler, find out from him what he really wants, so that he may be able to tell the House?
Can the Prime Minister give me an answer to my question?
I have done so in the statement I have made already.
Will the Prime Minister be in a position to make a clear statement on the Government's position as regards ex-German Colonies?
I have made a clear statement.
National Service
47.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will give an assurance that, in any measures to be brought forward by the Government for placing the resources of man-power at the disposal of the State in a system of national service, similar appropriate measures will be introduced to make wealth equally available for national service?
I would refer the hon. Member to the statement which I made on this subject on 1st June last, to which I have nothing to add.
Will the Prime Minister bear in mind the fact that there is a widespread feeling among the electorate that these two matters are inseparable?
Prime Minister And Foreign Secretary (Paris Visit)
48.
asked the Prime Minister whether he can make a statement on the forthcoming visit of the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and himself to Paris at the invitation of the French Government?
My Noble Friend and I have accepted with great pleasure the very kind invitation of the French Government to visit Parish from 23rd-25th November. We shall hope to take advantage of the opportunity thus offered to review the international situation, in the light of recent events, with Members of the French Government.
In view of the great importance of the conversations that are to take place in Paris, will not the Prime Minister give to the House a general outline of the subjects he proposes to discuss?
I hardly think that that would be in the public interest.
Will the Government's Chief Diplomatic Advisor accompany the Ministers on that occasion?
No, Sir.
Will any expert from the Foreign Office accompany the Prime Minister, or, perhaps, Sir Horace Wilson?
:Will the colonial question be discussed during this visit to Paris?
Electricity Supply
49.
asked the Prime Minister whether time is to be found this Session for legislation on the subjects dealt with by the McGowan Committee on reorganisation of the electricity supply industry?
In view of the heavy programme of domestic legislation already before us this Session, I regret that I see no prospect of time being found for the legislation to which the hon. Member refers.
Is the Prime Minister aware that the Government, by their attitude, condemn large areas of agricultural land to having no electricity?
No, Sir.
Public Health
Burning Refuse Heaps
53.
asked the Minister of Health what action has been taken, up to date, by his Department to deal with the question of burning refuse heaps in many parts of the country which are a serious menace to the health of the people living in those particular areas?
A systematic investigation of burning spoil-banks by my alkali inspectors is proceeding. One hundred and fifty-one out of a total of 266 reported to me have been visited. Further visits will be necessary in some cases to ascertain the practicability of remedial measures. Wherever remedial measures have been recom- mended by the inspectors, further visits are being undertaken to determine the efficacy of the measures. I estimate that the completion of the survey will take approximately another 18 months.
Vaccination
54.
asked the Minister of Health under what Act of Parliament or Ministerial order a borough council is acting when paying vaccination fees to persons other than public vaccinators and vaccination officers?
The Public Health (Smallpox Prevention) Regulations, 1917, authorise the payment of fees to medical officers of health for the vaccination and re-vaccination of contacts, and the Vaccination Order, 1930, empowers local authorities to appoint "assistants" to vaccination officers. If the hon. Member has any particular case in mind as regards which he is doubtful of the action of the local authority, perhaps he would let me have full particulars.
59.
asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of the fact that employers who decline to engage individuals unless they can show evidence of successful vaccination usually act on the advice of medical practitioners, he will consider the desirability of issuing a circular to all medical practitioners drawing their attention to the views of the Ministry's Chief Medical Officer, as expressed in his recent annual reports, deprecating the imposition of such a requirement because of the risk of postvaccinal encephalitis?
The attention of local authorities has already been drawn to this matter in circulars issued by my Department, and it has been repeatedly emphasised in the annual reports of the Chief Medical Officer, including the report for 1937, issued last month. I think the present question and answer will probably be the most efficacious form of the further publicity for this point which the hon. Member has in mind.
Tuberculosis (Children, Lancashire)
56.
asked the Minister of Health whether his attention has been drawn to the last annual report of the county medical officer for Lancashire showing increases in the number and percentage of non-pulmonary tuberculosis cases among children; if so, will he state how these figures compare with other industrial areas; and what steps will be taken to deal with this problem?
There was a certain increase in the number of cases of non-pulmonary tuberculosis notified, consequent upon the medical examination of the school children; but the annual report of the county medical officer does not indicate any increase in the total number of cases among children. Indeed, the figures show a slight decrease as compared with the preceding year.
Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the other part of my question, as to how the figures for Lancashire compare with those for similar industrial areas?
For the country as a whole there was a slight rise in the number of notifications of deaths at all ages. For Lancashire, I think the figures were rather more favourable.
Housing (Esher)
55.
asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that there is a serious shortage of housing accommodation in the area of the Esher Urban District Council; whether he has considered a petition signed by about 550 people living in the area in August, 1937, asking for an inquiry into the matter; and what steps he is taking to relieve the overcrowding?
I have received certain allegations on the subject to which the hon. Member refers, and have also considered the petition. I understand that the urban district council are about to seek my approval to a scheme for the erection of 124 houses in different parts of the district. The number of cases of overcrowding in the area has been reduced from 67 to 32, and the remaining cases will, I understand, be relieved as soon as the new houses are ready.
National Health Insurance
58.
asked the Minister of Health whether he will consider making arrangements whereby the wives and children of persons insured under the National Health Insurance scheme may become entitled to medical benefit under the panel system?
I regret that I cannot hold out any prospect of the introduction of legislation for this purpose at the present time.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the vast amount of preventable sickness and illness among women and young children in view of the fact that they cannot afford to pay for doctors? Does he consider that this should go on?
We have to do one thing at a time. I hope very much that we shall be able to do something about this before very long.
Local Authorities (Expenditure Programmes)
60.
asked the Minister of Health whether Circular 1857 or any similar circular, requesting particulars of five years' schemes of proposed capital expenditure, has been sent to publicly-owned utility companies in addition to local authorities?
No, Sir.
Would not the Government be able to get a much more complete picture of the proposed capital expenditure during the next five or six years if they included the public utility companies?
61.
asked the Minister of Health how many local authorities have submitted five years' schemes of proposed capital expenditure in accordance with Circular 1857; and whether it is proposed to publish the list of authorities and the amount of their proposed expenditure?
Returns showing provisional programmes of capital expenditure covering the five years commencing 1st April, 1938, have now been received from 440 local authorities, representing one-fifth of the whole. I will consider the question of the publication of details in due course.
What will be the position now of the plans that have been sent in that cater for the provision of secondary education, which has since been banned by the Board of Education?
It has not been banned; but I think it would be better if such a question were addressed to the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education.
Public Assistance (Liverpool)
62.
asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that the public assistance committee of Liverpool took into account in assessing relief the 5s. war pension allotted to Mr. J. Finnigan, 23d, Woodstock Gardens, for the loss of his son in the War; that on production of a doctor's certificate they refused him extra nourishment; and whether he will inquire into the administration of public assistance in Liverpool, with a view to remedying this and similar grievances?
I am making inquiries, and will communicate with the hon. Member immediately I receive the information.
Will the Minister make inquiries about relief not being given in regard to under-nourishment? This is a case of a person who had lost two sons. I hold in my hand a bronze tablet showing that one son died on the field, and the other died also as a result of the War. They died for freedom and honour, and this man has waited 14 days and cannot get a doctor's certificate accepted by the relieving officer. What steps does the Minister intend to take in this matter?
I said that I would make inquiries and communicate with the hon. Member as soon as possible.
Regarding a man who is waiting 14 days on a doctor's note, if he dies is not the officer liable to be indicted for manslaughter?
If the officer is liable it is obviously very undesirable for me to make a statement on a matter which I know nothing about.
Owing to the unsatisfactory answer, I beg to give notice that I shall raise the matter on the Adjournment.
War Damage (Compensation)
63.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is now in a position to give particulars of the Government's plan for providing compensation for damage to private property or land in this country arising out of an outbreak of hostilities?
I am not yet in a position to give this information, but I hope to be able to do so shortly.
Czechoslovakia (Loan)
64.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount of credit which, up to date, has been granted to Czechoslovakia by the Bank of England under Treasury guarantee, and for what purposes that credit has been used?
67.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the extent to which the Government of Czechoslovakia have used the special credit of £10,000,000 opened for them by the Bank of England?
Up to the present, the Bank of England advance has been drawn on to the extent of £5,000,000. I have not yet received a detailed statement of the purposes for which it is being used.
Will the Chancellor give an undertaking that this money will not be used for the purpose of advancing German trade in Czechoslovakia, at the expense of our own?
The hon. Gentleman is probably aware that we have appointed a liaison officer, who has gone to Prague for the purpose of providing us with detailed information on the purposes for which this money is being used.
In view of the terrible position in Czechoslovakia at the present time with regard to refugees, will the right hon. Gentleman give this matter consideration, with a view to ensuring that a considerable proportion of this grant will be utilised to help these refugees to come to this country and other countries?
It has always been understood, and indeed stipulated, that the primary purpose of the grant of this money is for assisting refugees.
66.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the French Government have now indicated their attitude to the proposal that they should join with His Majesty's Government in the proposed guaranteed loan of £10,000,000 to the Government of Czechoslovakia?
This matter is at present being discussed with the French Government.
Motor Car Duty
65.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider abandoning the principle of taxing motor cars on their horse power in view of the heavy handicap this places on manufacturers in competing with foreign types?
I cannot see my way to abandoning the principle of taxing motor cars on their horse power, but I would remind my hon. Friend that the tax was reduced as from 1st January, 1935, by 25 per cent.
Is not my right hon. Friend aware of the very strong tendency of buyers of high-powered engines to go to America instead of to this country, and is not this progressive tax on the horse power a reason for it?
German Refugees
68.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider the advisability in connection with the refugee problem of taking steps to see that for every German refugee received into this country an appropriate sum shall be secured from German Nazi sympathisers living in this country, and that for the effective carrying out of this purpose a declaration of property held by Germans in this country shall be made?
The answer is in the negative.
In view of the continued action of the German Government in expelling its citizens and refusing to allow them to take any of their property to the countries to which they go, would it not be a very appropriate manner to deal with that situation by the only sort of argument that the Germans would understand?
I can see many objections to the proposal which the hon. Member has made.
Is not the real reason because Hitler has forbidden it?
Agriculture
Land Fertility Scheme (Cottage Gardens)
72.
asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he will make it possible to extend to owners of large cottage gardens the grants paid towards lime and basic slag that are now paid to associations of farmers, smallholders or allotment holders?
It would not be possible to extend the Land Fertility Scheme on the lines indicated in the hon. Member's question without bringing all gardens attached to private houses within the scope of the scheme. I regret that I am not able to adopt such a proposal, which would, in any case, involve fresh legislation.
Could not the grants be extended so as to include unemployed men with substantially large gardens?
The difficulty arises in the description of the holding. It must be so defined under the Act as to include holdings which are worked for profit, for the sale of the produce, and to distinguish them from holdings which are merely additional amenities to the house itself.
Eggs (Marketing)
74.
asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he is aware that under the existing system for grading British national mark eggs, British eggs are graded on a much lower scale than imported eggs, and that in consequence there is considerable difficulty at the present time in marketing medium standard British eggs in face of foreign competition; and what action he proposes to take to overcome this difficulty?
I understand that at certain seasons the small proportion of National mark eggs falling in the lower grades is in slower demand in markets where competition is met from imported eggs of heavier grades. The requirements of the National mark grades, which were adopted after full consultation with representatives of producers and distributors, will come up for review in due course by the independent Commission to be established under the forthcoming legislation for the poultry industry.
Would it not be correct to infer that the reductions of the original grades were excessive, and would it not be quite an easy matter to put right?
The matter is somewhat more complicated than that of particular grades, but the eggs to which my hon. Friend refers are a very small proportion of the total output of British eggs, and I would not like to make any statement in view of this position in advance of the Commission which is to be set up to consider the whole matter.
Will my right hon. Friend give some assurance that there will be no further ambiguity about this matter?
Royal Air Force (Aircraft Production)
75.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether the fact that aircraft being purchased by His Majesty's Government from the Lockheed Aircraft Company, of California, are being delivered to the aircraft factory at Speke, Liverpool, for assembly will necessitate any extension of the existing factory; and how many persons is it estimated will be employed on this special work of assembly?
The present intention is that the aircraft in question shall be assembled in the Liverpool Municipal hangars and workshop, so that the question of extending the Speke factory does not arise in this connection. As regards the last part of the question, the erection and testing of the machines will be carried out by local labour under the supervision of staff from the makers' works. I am not able to say precisely how much labour will be required.
76.
asked the Secretary of Slate for Air how many persons are employed at the aircraft factory at Speke, Liverpool, and how the present number compares with that of last year; what percentage of those employed are natives of Liverpool; and what classes of labour, if any, are now required at this factory?
About 80 per cent. of those employed in the aircraft factory at Speke come from Liverpool. The factory opened in February last and is still being built up to full capacity. For these purposes additional labour is being steadily recruited from the trades normally required for airframe production such as fitters, assemblers, rivetters and the like. I regret that I cannot give figures as to the total number employed or to be em- ployed as it would not be in the public interest to do so.
Palestine (London Discussions)
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has any statement to make regarding the arrangements for the proposed discussions in London on the Palestine question?
Yes, Sir. As was announced in the statement which His Majesty's Government published yesterday, it is proposed to invite representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and of neighbouring States on the one hand and of the Jewish Agency on the other. With regard to neighbouring States, we are in communication on the matter with the Governments of Egypt, Iraq, Saudi-Arabia and the Yemen, as well as of Trans-jordan. Other territories which, by reason of their contiguity, are interested in the Palestine question are Syria and the Lebanon. They are under French mandatory control, and consequently stand on a different footing. It is not proposed that representatives of these territories should be invited to the discussions, but His Majesty's Government intend to keep closely in touch with the French Government and to keep them informed of any developments which may be of interest to Syria and the Lebanon.
With regard to the representation of the Palestinian Arabs, I am in consultation with the High Commissioner, and I am not at present in a position to indicate what arrangements will be made. The House will have observed that the Government reserve the right to refuse to receive leaders whom they regard as responsible for the campaign of assassination and violence. His Majesty's Government must exercise this right in the case of the present Mufti of Jerusalem, whose record over many years makes him wholly unacceptable. With regard to others I can add nothing further at present. The matter must depend on developments in Palestine. His Majesty's Government made it clear in the statement which they issued yesterday that they will continue their responsibility for the government of the whole of Palestine. Their ultimate aim is to give lasting peace and prosperity to the people of the country; their immediate duty is to establish law and order throughout the land. They earnestly hope that they will secure the co-operation of the peoples of Palestine, Jews and Arabs alike, in promoting the state of peace which is so important for the success of the policy of negotiation which has been announced. The Arabs of Palestine are now offered an opportunity of coming to London in company with representatives of neighbouring countries to enter into free and full discussions on the problem of Palestine with His Majesty's Government. In these circumstances His Majesty's Government will expect that rebellious activities should be brought to an end. If they do not cease His Majesty's Government must continue to take all such measures as may be necessary to put an end to disorder.May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether, in considering the representation of the Palestinian Arabs, he will bear in mind the need for representing the working Arabs and the poorer sections, and not merely the wealthy landlords; and whether he will also bear in mind the same position in regard to seeing that Jewish labour is fully represented in this conference?
Yes, Sir.
Will the right hon. Gentleman say what the basis of the conference will be? Will it be merely an informal discussion of the situation, or will matters be put to a vote? In the latter case, will not the Jews be out-voted by a large number of Arab representatives?
There is no question of a vote at all. The discussions are to be between representatives of the Arabs and of the neighbouring countries, and His Majesty's Government, and between representatives of the Jewish Agency and His Majesty's Government. Possibly the discussions will develop into a three-party discussion around the same table, but in any case there is no question of a vote being taken.
Will the right hon. Gentleman make it clear to both parties to the conference that His Majesty's Government have not departed from the principle of the Balfour Declaration?
The Government will, of course, enter the discussions bound by its obligations both to Jews and Arabs under the Mandate, but we would not seek to prevent either party from presenting arguments for the modification of the Mandate.
Since representatives of the Arab Kingdoms are to be invited to these discussions, has the right hon. Gentleman considered the advisability of inviting representatives of, say, the United States Government or the Polish Government, apart from the Palestinian representatives concerned in this problem? Secondly, are we to understand that the basis of the discussions will be the terms of the Balfour Declaration, or that alternative proposals can and will be discussed in London?
I think I have already answered the latter part of the hon. Member's supplementary question. In regard to the first part of the question, the reason why we are calling these discussions is that we want to make a determined effort at getting agreement between the two peoples concerned—the Arabs and the Jews. In the statement published yesterday we recognised specifically that other countries, other governments, are concerned and interested, and we shall keep fully in mind the interests of all those countries.
In view of the fact that representatives are being invited from the Arab kingdoms, to which nobody has any objection, is it not possible to invite representatives from the United States Government or the Polish Government, who are also interested?
If we started on that, it would be very difficult to know where to draw the line. As far as the Jews are concerned, there are a great many American Jews represented in the Jewish Agency, and it is perfectly open to the Jewish Agency to select what Jewish representatives they wish.
In view of the fact that representatives of the Arab Kingdoms are being invited, will my right hon. Friend consider the advisability of inviting representatives of the Assyrian nation to be present on this occasion?
I do not think it would be feasible to add further to the representation that we have in mind.
While I recognise the reasons underlying the invitation to representatives of the States contiguous to Palestine, will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that, while their interests may be political or economic, the United States have a contractual and Treaty interest in this matter by reason of their Treaty arrangements with the British Government? Would not that give ground where the United States might well expect to be invited to participate in such discussions?
We are certainly very conscious of the great interest of the United States in this matter. We have already kept the United States fully informed of our intention, and shall keep them fully informed of developments.
Might not this position arise? Having regard to the specific Treat rights of the United States in this particular matter, might not arrangements be made round the table by those participating in the conference, and it would yet be open to the United States to say that they dissented from those conclusions, with the result that the conference would be nullified?
We shall, of course, watch that situation very carefully and if there is any question of the Treaty rights of the United States being involved, we shall enter into discussion with the United States Government immediately. We are not anticipating that that will happen.