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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 341: debated on Thursday 24 November 1938

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Unemployment

Benefit And Assistance (Christmas)

1.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he has considered the need for an increase in benefits or allowances to be made at the Christmas period to all applicants for insurance benefit and applicants for assistance from the Unemment Assistance Board; and can he state the amounts that are to be allowed?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Southwark, Central (Mr. Day) on 10th November.

Are steps taken to inform the recipients of standard benefit that they can apply to the Unemployment Assistance Board for weekly allowances if their circumstances require it?

I think that they understand that. If the hon. Gentleman knows of any cases in which he thinks that they do not know their rights, perhaps he will let we know.

Is it not a fact that it is not generally known? If the right hon. Gentleman will make it known I am sure that many more will apply.

I think the hon. Gentleman is referring to the weekly allowances, and the question on the Order Paper deals with allowances for Christmas.

Exchanges (Christmas And New Year Arrangements)

2.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he can make a statement on the arrangements that are to be made at the Employment Exchanges and the offices of the Unemployment Assistance Board during the Christmas and New Year periods; and will he take steps to minimise the inconvenience to applicants and avoid the formation of queues as far as is possible?

In general, Employment Exchanges and area offices of the Board in England and Wales will be closed on Monday and Tuesday, 26th and 27th December; certain offices in the north of England may also be shut on Monday, 2nd January; offices in Scotland will be closed on Monday, 26th December, and Monday, 2nd January. Payment of benefit and allowances will take place on the usual days. Posters will be exhibited some time before Christmas giving details of the arrangements. Every effort will be made by officers of the Ministry and the Board to meet the convenience of applicants for benefit and allowances, and it is hoped that if the guidance given in the posters is followed, waiting will be reduced to a minimum.

In order to assist the officials and those applying for benefit, will the Minister take steps to see that those who are in employment will be informed of the arrangements so that those who are on short time and those who desire to get in this waiting period can do so with the minimum of inconvenience?

What about the case of a man able to find work and starting work on the Wednesday if he has not been able to sign on at the Employment Exchange on Bank Holiday Monday and Tuesday?

As the hon. Member knows each manager does his best to meet the special circumstances.

Durham

4.

asked the Minister of Labour whether it is the intention of the Government to establish trading estates in Durham other than those on the Team Valley, St. Helens, and Pallion sites, with a view to providing work for the large number of unemployed in the county; and, if so, when and where?

In addition to financing the establishment of the Team Valley Trading Estate and the provision of factories on the sites at Pallion and St. Helens Auckland, the Commissioner is always prepared in suitable circumstances to assist the establishment of an industrial undertaking elsewhere by the provision of a factory or otherwise. It is, however, not the intention to establish another Trading Estate or to acquire any further large sites for groups of factories.

Will the right hon. Gentleman say what plans the Government really have to deal with unemployment in Durham?

Is it not the case that the Improvement Association are providing for the clearance of certain sites at Shildon and elsewhere, and is it not intended to take steps to facilitate the setting up of new factories there?

That is covered in my answer. What the hon. Member asked for in his question was information about the trading estates, and I have given him the facts.

Is any arrangement to be made for the transfer of the workmen from the St. Helens site to other parts of Durham in view of the fire which occurred recently?

I think that it would be rather difficult to do so, but I should like to have notice of that question.

10.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of industries established in the county of Durham, excluding the trading estates, established as the result of overtures made to industrialists by the Commissioner for the Special Areas?

The number of industrial undertakings established or in course of being established in Durham, with assistance from the Commissioner for the Special Areas, outside the trading estate at Team Valley, is 15. Negotiations are in progress with three other undertakings.

Are any of those in derelict villages that are far removed from these trading estates?

Is the Minister satisfied that this method alone will meet the needs of these areas?

Is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied with a state of things in which 20,000 people have been out of work for years in one comity alone?

Assistance

5.

asked the Minister of Labour the reason for the refusal of the district committee of the Unemployment Assistance Board to give assistance to Mrs. E. Lebow, of 41, Nathaniel Buildings, E.1?

I am informed that the chairman of the appeal tribunal, whose decision on an appeal on such a matter is final, decided that Mrs. Lebow was not within the scope of the Unemployment Assistance Act, and the Board therefore had no power to grant her an allowance.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this woman had completed the maximum period of unemployment insurance, which proves that she had been for years in employment—

—and that when I applied to the local branch of the Unemployment Assistance Board for an explanation, the letter I received was vague and meaningless?

There is nothing vague or meaningless about the finding of the appeal tribunal, which confirmed the officer's decision, which was that she was a person whose normal occupation was not one in respect of which unemployment assistance is payable.

20.

asked the Minister of Labour how many applicants for unemployment assistance had the means test applied to their application in the most recent week for which the information is available; what was the average amount consequently deducted from normal assistance; how many nil determinations resulted; and what was the total economy involved?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave to a similar question put by him on 23rd June last. I am not in a position to add to that reply except to say that recent inquiry has shown that in the week ended 4th November the number of nil determinations given in cases where the applicant was adjudged to be not in need of an allowance was 2,797.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the reply which he previously gave did not disclose the answer to the latter part of my question, namely, the total economies resulting from the means test; and may I ask whether that was due to his inability, or to his unwillingness, to give the information?

I refer the hon. Member to the replies which I have given to this question, one of which covered nearly a column of the OFFICIAL REPORT. The reasons were there very fully set out, and have been repeated on many occasions.

How is it that the reasons and the amounts were given in the first year of the operation of this matter and cannot be given now?

It is not a question of the amount but of the form of the question, which goes far wider than any particular amount, and raises other issues as well.

21.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he has made any recommendations recently to ensure the lengthening of the period of additional winter allowances to the unemployed?

Do the Government or does the right hon. Gentleman intend to re-examine in the near future the whole question of winter allowances?

The answer is that the Government have just passed a great reform whereby, over the whole field, winter allowances in terms of need are possible.

Is there any indication in the Government's Measure that they intend to lengthen the term of the winter allowances?

Those with material need can get winter allowances between 14th November, 1938, and 15th April, 1939, and if the hon. Member will compare that with the 20 authorities who have done it locally, he will find that the period compares very favourably.

9.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is in a position to make a statement with regard to the disturbances at Islington, Stepney, and Lewisham Unemployment Assistance Board's offices concerning the disagreement between officials of the Unemployment Assistance Board and the unemployed as to winter allowances?

I am informed by the Board that on the morning of Wednesday, 16th November, three separate groups of men (30 in all, of whom some were applicants to the Board), gathered in the Board's offices at Camden Town, Camberwell and Shoreditch and demanded a general flat rate for winter allowances irrespective of needs. They barricaded themselves in rooms on the premises and declared their intention of not coming out until their demands were met. Police officers were called in, and at Camden Town the men were persuaded to leave, but in the other two offices entry to the barricaded rooms had to be forced. All the persons concerned subsequently dispersed without further incident.

Are not these disturbances symptoms of the dissatisfaction which has been caused by the economies which have been introduced at these exchanges in individual cases?

No, Sir, I am not aware of that. All the facts in my possession show careful planning and organisation, not too efficient, and I see no reason why I should do anything to advertise action of this kind.

In view of the fact that in the matter of winter allowances discrimination as between one man and another is bound to cause discontent, will the Minister see that where allowances are being paid the winter allowances should also be given?

That is the general position. In this case the material left behind by the demonstrators, the provisions, the wedges for barricade purposes and the fact that the Press had been informed and that photographers were there, show that this was not a spontaneous demonstration.

Hornchurch

7.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will receive a deputation from the Hornchurch Council to discuss their proposal for building a temporary Employment Exchange on a suitable site in the town; and, if not, whether he has any other site in view on which work can start immediately?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to him on 10th November last. I think he is fully aware of the difficulties in finding suitable accommodation in existing premises, and he will be glad to know that in view of these difficulties my hon. Friend the First Commissioner of Works is considering urgently the erection of a new building in the locality. In the circumstances, I do not think that a deputation would serve any useful purpose.

Is the Minister aware that the Hornchurch Council have found a site which they think reasonable, and that they recommended it to the Ministry, but that so far the Ministry have given no decision on that site?

That may be so, but, as the hon. Member knows, this is not a matter for me alone, but for me in conjunction with the First Commissioner of Works. We are dealing with the matter urgently.

Would not the visit of a deputation enable the difficulty to be gone into and a way out found?

I do not think so. I think we can ascertain all the facts without them. If on further inquiry I find further information necessary, I will communicate with the hon. Member.

Claims (Glasgow)

8.

asked the Minister of Labour when the scheme came into operation for dealing with all disputed claims for unemployment benefit through the chief insurance officer in the Glasgow Exchange instead of by the insurance officer at each local exchange; whether he is aware that in the South Side Exchange delay is now taking place in dealing with these claims; and whether he intends to take any action?

These arrangements came into operation at Glasgow on 17th October, 1938. Unfortunately there was some delay at first in dealing with some of the claims, but I have no reason to fear that this will happen again.

Western Isles

12.

asked the Minister of Labour what steps have been taken, or are being considered, to provide additional winter allowances for applicants to the Unemployment Assistance Boards in the Islands and Highlands of Scotland; and what special provision is being made for applicants with children who require additional food and clothing against winter conditions on their way to and from distant schools?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply to his question on 3rd November, 1938. I am informed by the board that the cases in the Islands and Highlands have now been considered for allowances under the Unemployment Assistance (Winter Adjustments) Regulations, 1938, and that additions have been granted where the circumstances of the case appear to require it.

I am informed that a count was taken on 22nd November as to the cases. I am not sure of the exact number of cases, but I believe that in the Island of Lewis 450 will get it. Perhaps the hon. Member will communicate with me, or put a further question a little later, when the inquiry has been completed.

St Helen's, Auckland, Trading Estate (Fire)

13.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will make a statement on the fire which has destroyed one factory and damaged another on the trading estate at St. Helen's, Auckland; and whether the Commissioner for the Special Areas will make good the loss or any part thereof, and will take steps to see that these factories are repaired and resume work as soon as possible?

I have not yet received a final report on this unfortunate accident, but, according to available information, a fire on the evening of 19th November destroyed all but the shell of a leather-goods factory at St. Helen's, Auckland, and occasioned considerable damage to the roof of an adjoining factory and some of its contents. I regret to say that, as a result, some 350 persons will be—I hope only temporarily—thrown out of employment. I should like to take this opportunity of expressing my sympathy with all who have suffered from this fire, which has occasioned an unhappy setback to two undertakings which have recently been established in this district with assistance from the Commissioner for the Special Areas. Arrangements are being made to expedite the work of repair and rebuilding, and the possibilities of providing temporary accommodation are being examined. The loss of plant, machinery and material within the factories is not a matter with which the Commissioner is directly concerned, but I am informed that it is in the main covered by insurance.

So far as the damage was not covered by insurance, will the Commissioner be prepared to make good the loss so that work can start again as soon as possible?

Exchanges

14.

asked the Minister of Labour how many Employment Exchanges, in addition to those in Denmark Street, W.C., and Tavistock Street, W.C., have been set up in the last five years to deal only with the workers in one industry?

Three special domestic employment offices dealing solely with applicants for domestic employment have been opened at Cardiff, Sunderland and Keswick.

Romford

15.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that on a recent occasion there was insufficient money at the Romford Employment Exchange to enable 40 men to draw benefit; and what was the reason for this?

Yes, Sir. An abnormally large number of cases arose for payment at short notice after the banks were closed. The number of unpaid cases was about 20 (out of a total of 1,628), and the money was available for all next morning.

Liverpool

16.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that there are many cases of unemployed men in Liverpool who have not yet received winter allowances; and whether he will expedite payments?

I am informed by the Unemployment Assistance Board that the review of current cases in Liverpool in accordance with instructions issued by the Board in connection with increased allowances under the Winter Adjustments Regulations—of which a copy was placed in the Library—has now been completed. Each case has been considered on its merits and an addition has been made where the circumstances require it.

Is the right hon. Gentleman able to say that all those entitled to pay received pay?

I could not say that, but if the hon. Member will put down another question I can give him the whole of the facts.

Statistics

19.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of persons who were in receipt of unemployment allowances in the Ilkeston, Mansfield, Barnsley, Mexborough, and Rotherham areas on 17th January last; the number who were in receipt of winter allowances at the same date; and the average amount paid in each area?

As the reply includes a table of figures I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Has the right hon. Gentleman observed, in the figures previously published, the wide disparity that exists between area and area, and would he seek to secure more generous consideration of cases?

Unemployment Assistance Board's Administrative Area.Number of Assessments current on 14th January, 1938.Number of Assessments increased on account of Winter on 17th January, 1938Average weekly value of Winter Additions.
s.d.
Ilkeston1,52673522
Mansfield3,4181,53022
Barnsley2,14671522
Mexborough1,77167121
Rotherham2,040705111

Merchant Ships (Inter- National Conventions)

6.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that the Government of the United States of America has ratified five International Labour Office Conventions covering the regulation of working hours on merchant ships with the stipulation of an eight-hour day and the determining of the minimum manning scale to be operative during such working hours, the granting of paid holidays to seamen, the liability of shipowners when seamen are the victims of sickness, injury, or death, the minimum standards of professional capacity required of masters and officers of merchant ships, and the fixing of the minimum age for the admission of children to employment at sea, revised 1936; what other countries have ratified these conventions; and whether it is the intention of His Majesty's Government to accord similar ratification at an early date?

With the hon. Member's permission I propose to circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the countries which have ratified each of these Conventions. With regard to the last part of the question, the decisions of His Majesty's Government were set out in a White Paper (Cmd. 5745) published in May last of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy.

Is the Minister aware that quite a number of countries have ratified this Convention, and is he satisfied that this country should lag behind them?

Perhaps the hon. Member will look at the answer and then consider what steps he thinks we might take.

Following is the reply:

White Paper gives the reasons. If any questions are asked about policy, they ought to be addressed to my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade.

Following is the table:

Convention.Ratified by.
Officers' Competency Certificates Convention, 1936.Belgium, Brazil, Denmark, Estonia, New Zealand, Norway, U.S.A.
Holidays with Pay (Sea) Convention, 1936.Belgium, U.S.A.
Shipowners' Liability (Sick and Injured Seamen) Convention, 1936.Belgium, U.S.A.
Hours of Work and Manning (Sea) Convention, 1936.Australia, Belgium, U.S.A.
Minimum Age (Sea) Convention (Revised), 1936.Belgium, Brazil, Norway, U.S.A.

Cinema Industry (Employés Conditions)

11.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he can now give further particulars of any agreement that has been reached between the employers' and the employés' associations following the inquiry he instituted into the hours and working conditions of the persons employed in the cinema industry?

Agreements for different districts are still in course of discussion and negotiations are also taking place on such matters as joint machinery for dealing with differences. As regards the details of these, I would suggest that the hon. Member should seek information from the parties themselves.

How will the Minister be able to get a bad employer who is not a member of an association to fall into line with any arrangements made?

The details of the conditions in the trade are being discussed between the trade unions and the employers, and that is the democratic way of doing things.

Does the Minister not intend to take action against the persons who are employing their people for very long hours?

The hon. Member is always suggesting compulsory action, but that is not always effective.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman think that this matter could be dealt with by means of a trade board?

Considerable progress has been made and a number of conclusions arrived at. Discussions are still proceeding between the trade unions and the employers on the working of the machinery, and I shall not interfere on the Floor of this House with the good work.

Labour Conventions

17.

asked the Minister of Labour what are the intentions of the Government with regard to the ratification of the Convention for the maintenance of pension rights?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for West Leeds (Mr. V. Adams) on 21st July of this year.

18.

asked the Minister of Labour whether, in view of the fact that 11 States have ratified the Weekly Rest in Industries Convention without any general limitation of their weekly working hours, he will now consider ratifying this Convention before a decision has been reached on weekly hours of work?

No, Sir. I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for West Leeds (Mr. V. Adams) on 21st July of this year.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that 31 States including the United States have ratified the Convention since 1921? Why should we lag behind?

The answer was given. If the hon. Member will look at the matter he will see that conditions in the United States in regard to collective agreements between trade unions and employers are entirely different from ours. I do not think that the hon. Member would say that the position in the United States is anything like comparable with ours. It is because of the conflict between many agreements in this country and the terms of the Convention that we have not ratified it.

Has the right hon. Gentleman considered taking the advice of the Government's chief Diplomatic Adviser—if he is not required elsewhere?

Home Office (Staff)

22.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many members of the Home Office staff have been diverted from their ordinary duties for work in connection with air-raid precautions; and what steps are being taken to make good the gaps thus created in existing Departments?

Amongst the Home Office staff now employed on work connected with air-raid precautions there are 66 officers who were formerly employed on other branches of Home Office work. The consequential vacancies have been or are being filled by ordinary methods of Civil Service recruitment.

Will the hon. Gentleman give an assurance that there has been no reduction in the staff of the factory inspectorate?

Industrial Accidents

23.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can give any information in connection with an explosion at the Hackney Wick Stadium on Tuesday, 15th November; how many people were injured; and what was the cause of the explosion?

I understand that this explosion occurred in connection with the demolition of an old petrol-storage tank. Three men were seriously injured, and I much regret that two of them subsequently died from their injuries. The inquest has been adjourned for further inquiries, and it is not possible at present for any statement to be made as to the cause of the explosion.

24.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can give any information in connection with the explosion at the works of Wessex Aircraft Engineering Company, at Highport Aerodrome, near Salisbury; how many people were injured; and what was the cause of the explosion?

An ignition, followed by a fire, occurred at these works on the 15th instant, during the mixing of a smoke composition. I regret to say that two persons were injured, but one of them was able to resume work on the following day. The accident is being investigated, but the cause of the ignition has not yet been ascertained.

29.

asked the Home Secretary whether he can give any information in connection with a furnace accident at a Redcar works where two men were killed and others injured; and what was the cause of the accident?

I understand that a blast furnace which had been idle since August was being renovated, and that four men were engaged in removing old brick lining from some flues. The work commenced on the morning of Sunday last, and in the afternoon the men were affected by gas. Two of them climbed out and appear to be fully recovered; one was rescued but died in hospital; the body of the fourth was extricated later. Four other men were affected by gas in attempting to recover the body. The case is being further investigated.

Coroners (Departmental Committee)

25.

asked the Home Secretary whether he proposes to introduce during the current Session a Coroners Amendment Bill to give effect to the recommendations made nearly four years ago by Lord Wright's Committee?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which my right hon. Friend gave to a question on this subject by my hon. Friend the Member for the Hitchin Division of Hertfordshire (Sir A. Wilson) on the 14th instant.

Carpenters' And Joiners' Tools (Thefts, London)

26.

asked the Home Secretary how many reports have been made to the police within the Metropolitan police area in the last year of the loss of carpenters' and joiners' tools by thefts; in how many cases were prosecutions instituted and in how many were convictions obtained; and in how many cases were any or all of the tools recovered?

Separate statistics of this class of simple larceny are not kept, but from an analysis of crime reports, which has been specially made for the three months ended 31st October, it appears that 454 cases of thefts of tools of various descriptions were reported during that period; in 32 cases the crimes were cleared up and in 26 the tools were recovered, but my right hon. Friend regrets that without further research it is not possible to give statistics of prosecutions and convictions.

Death Penalty

28.

asked the Home Secretary what action he proposes to take in light of the Resolution passed by this House on Wednesday, 16th November, in favour of the abolition of the death penalty?

To give effect to the Resolution in question, legislation would be required, and I explained in the course of the Debate the objections to legislation altering the law on this subject for an experimental period.

If I put down an Amendment to the Criminal justice Bill, will the Home Office leave that matter to a free vote of the House?

Is my hon. Friend aware that the Resolution in question does not represent the view of the country?

If, in spite of the objections which were stated by the hon. Gentleman on behalf of the Government, the House came to a decision in favour of the proposal, why should not the Government respond to the desire of the House?

Will the Under-Secretary and the Secretary of State also bear in mind the fact that within the last few days two little girls, aged six and four, have been foully done to death, and that nothing ought to be done that would encourage such fiends?

Will they also bear in mind the fact that the death penalty is in operation at the time when these things have happened?

Particulars of Appeals to the Court of Criminal Appeal against sentences of Borstal Detention.
YearNumber of Appeals.Total number of appeals.Result.Appeals abandoned.
Against conviction.Against Sentence.Against conviction and sentence.Sentence quashed.Appelant bound over.Sentence reduced.Leave to appeal refused or appeal dismissed.
19291922111181
1930339143216277
1931475521111309
19328789531515521
1933135339132312
1934355384112210
1935149858483214
193625412685512631
193737711914813939
Up to Nov. 23rd, 1938911110234257

Aliens

31.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will introduce legislation to promote deportation in the case of all aliens who are convicted of criminal offences?

Legislation is unnecessary, as the powers of deportation contained in the Aliens Order are adequate.

32.

asked the Home Secretary in how many cases of the 205 aliens recommended by the courts for deportation in 1936 and of the 167 in 1937 the deportations were, in fact, carried out?

If the Home Office are about to abolish the "cat," how can they logically retain the rope?

Borstal Sentences (Appeals)

27.

asked the Home Secretary the number of appeals made in each of the last 10 years to the Court of Criminal Appeal against a sentence of detention in a Borstal institution; and the number of cases in which the appeal has been successful?

As the answer is in the form of a tabular statement, I propose, with my hon. Friend's permission, to circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the statement:

Friend's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Can my hon. Friend say what is the reason for not carrying out all these orders?

There are certain cases where it is not possible to establish the nationality of the persons concerned, and when that is so there are technical bars to the carrying out of the order.

Does not my hon. Friend think that the removal from this country of aliens of bad character would give more room for the introduction to this country of alien refugees of good character?

Following is the answer:

1936.1937
1. Deportation orders made or aliens left the country under arrangements made by themselves or on their behalf172134
2. Recommendation for deportation quashed on appeal4
3. Decision on merits not to make Deportation Orders1719
4. Nationality could not be established1013
5. Alien released on bail pending appeal absconded1
6. Cases not decided11

Omnibus Standings, Cavendish Square

33.

asked the Home Secretary whether in view of the fact that the Minister of Transport informed the St. Marylebone Borough Council on 2rst October, 1938, that he had no jurisdiction over the announced intention of the Traffic Commissioner for the Metropolitan area to establish omnibus standings in Cavendish Square, except upon an appeal from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis, he will direct the Commissioner of Police to lodge such an appeal upon the dual grounds that the inhabitants of the square, as well as the local authority, are in determined opposition to the proposal and that it will tend largely to increase traffic congestion?

I understand that the Traffic Commissioner for the Metropolitan area has not yet announced a decision as to the omnibus standings in question, and at present, therefore, the question of an appeal does not arise. In any event the power to appeal to the Minister of Transport against any decision of the Traffic Commissioner is a power conferred directly upon the Commissioner of Police by Section 6i of the London Passenger Transport Act, 1933, and my right hon. Friend has no jurisdiction in the matter and no authority to give the suggested direction to the Commissioner.

Inquest, Tettenhall, Staffordshire

34.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that, at an adjourned inquest held at Tettenhall, Staffordshire, on 3oth September, to inquire into the death by a motor cycle acci- dent of a youth named Maurice Grainger, of Bradmore, Wolverhampton, the parents of the youth received no notice of the inquest and were unaware that it had taken place till informed afterwards; and whether he will inquire into this case?

My right hon. Friend's attention had not previously been drawn to this case. Although he has no jurisdiction in this matter, he is causing inquiries to be made, and will communicate with the hon. Member.

Refugees

36.

asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the widespread interest taken in the question of Jewish refugees, he will arrange for the weekly publication of figures showing the number of adults and children admitted to this country?

As my right hon. Friend previously explained, there are difficulties in the way of giving figures showing the number of refugees who arrive in a given week, because amongst those who come here as visitors or students there are some who apply later to be allowed to stay as refugees, but my right hon. Friend will consider whether figures can be compiled of those who are identifiable on arrival as refugees.

37.

asked the Home Secretary the duration of time that Jewish refugee children are to be allowed to remain in this country; and whether he will see that steps are taken to keep trace of the children and arrange for their leaving the country at a fixed age?

It is proposed that refugee children admitted to this country under the care of the Inter-Aid Committee for Children may be permitted to remain in this country for purely educational or training purposes until they have completed their education or training, on condition that they are not placed in ordinary employment. A record will be kept of each individual child.

Will the Government consider issuing a White Paper with regard to aliens coming into this country, giving the exact conditions and guarantees under which they will be admitted?

In the interests of the good name of this country, will the hon. Gentleman do his best to discourage questions such as this?

In the interests of the future of this country, will he see that undesirable people are not admitted?

Will the Government act in the spirit of the Home Secretary's speech, and consider the interests of the children first?

If all these children are to be allowed to come here, will the Government consider the claims of the Chinese?

40.

asked the Home Secretary whether, since the plight of part-Jews in Greater Germany is even more tragic than that of whole-Jews, owing to the latter having the support of wealthy and influential organisations, and having regard to the fact that, owing to their lesser degree of distinctiveness, part-Jews are less difficult of absorption into non-Jewish populations, he will give an assurance that the ratio of these two classes will be approximately adhered to in respect of both children and adult refugees admitted into this country for permanent settlement?

Applications made by or on behalf of refugees are considered on their merits without discrimination as to race or religion, and it would not be possible for my right hon. Friend to promise that, if so many refugees of one description are admitted, an equal number of another description will be admitted, but my right lion. Friend is in entire agreement with the view that as sympathetic consideration should be given to the one class as to the other.

Will an endeavour be made to keep a record, so that we may be able to check how far the Home Secretary implements his good intentions?

41.

asked the Home Secretary whether His Majesty's Government have under consideration the provision of any financial assistance for the accommodation and training of German or other refugee children who may be brought to this country?

The question whether financial assistance should be given by Governments was one of the matters considered at the Evian Meeting, and the view taken by the countries represented at that meeting was that the Governments of the countries of refuge and settlement should not assume any obligations for the financing of involuntary emigration.

Has the Minister received any representations from the Inter-Aid Committee or other refugee organisations with regard to financial assistance; and does he consider that it will be possible to deal with the urgency of these refugee children?

Will not my hon. Friend reconsider that decision, in view of the increase in the nature of the problem? Would not the Government be prepared to contribute, to responsible private agencies, at least £1 for £1?

Will my hon. Friend consider the interests of the British taxpayer?

My right hon. Friend is always prepared to consider all representations, but in saying that I must not be taken to imply any particular undertaking.

42.

asked the Home Secretary whether, in order to avoid prolonged delays, he is prepared to grant a bloc visa for groups of Jewish refugee children from Austria and Germany in cases in which provision for maintenance is guaranteed?

Yes, Sir. It has been decided to waive the requirement of a visa for refugee children brought to this country for education purposes under the care of the Inter-Aid Committee for Children. I would refer to the reply which I gave yesterday to the right hon and gallant Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Colonel Wedgwood).

43.

asked the Home Secretary whether, in view of the special needs of refugees, he will consider reserving for the present new permits to aliens to reside and work exclusively for such refugees, and will also cause the permits already held by aliens to be reviewed and withdrawn when the alien might, without hardship, be required to return to his own country in order to make more room for refugees?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given on this matter to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, East (Mr. Mander) on 7th July.

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether His Majesty's Government would be willing, in conjunction with the other members of the Inter-Governmental Committee for Refugees, to contribute financial assistance or support an international loan to assist in the settlement of German or other refugees overseas?

47.

asked the Prime Minister whether instructions will be given to the representatives of His Majesty's Government at the forthcoming meeting of the Inter-Governmental Commission on Refugees to support the issue of an international loan to aid the settlement of Jewish refugees; and whether His Majesty's Government are prepared to make a substantial contribution to such a loan under suitable conditions?

It is not possible at present to form any reliable estimate of the expenditure which the settlement of Jewish refugees will involve, but hon. Members will appreciate that Government support for an international loan would involve reconsideration by the Inter-Governmental Committee of the recommendations made to the Governments which participated in the Evian Meeting.

Has the right hon. Gentleman noticed the statement made by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster in a broadcast on Tuesday, that we have to envisage not fewer than 600,000 refugees leaving Germany in a short time, and does he think it possible to deal adequately with a problem of that kind by voluntary effort? Will he consider what representations the Government should make to the Inter-Governmental Committee on the question of financial assistance?

I have not noticed that particular statement, but my right hon. Friend himself is very closely associated—I think he is the principal member—with that Inter-Governmental organisation.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider the extreme urgency of the question, as it has developed since the Evian Conference, and will he see, therefore, that the British Government give a lead to this Conference?

I did not refer to the Evian Conference myself, but I observed that the stipulation had been made, as I stated at the time when the Evian Conference was created, on the proposal of the American Government.

Will my right hon. Friend remember that we have a large number of unemployed in this country?

Foreigners (Immigration Officer's Action)

44.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that two young Frenchmen with their passports in order, on arriving last Saturday at Newhaven for the sole purpose of attending as delegates a meeting in aid of the Youths' Foodship for Spain and returning next day to Paris, were questioned as to their political opinions, and on admitting they were Communists were prevented from landing; whether the passport officers had authority to exercise this kind of discrimination; and under what regulation?

The two persons referred to, each of whom denied any knowledge of the other, did not disclose to the immigration officer that they were coming to this country to attend a meeting. On the contrary, they stated that they were coming to visit friends for a week-end, but they could produce no evidence on the point, and the immigration officer was not satisfied that they could properly be given leave to land. As regards the last part of the question, the papers which they produced showed that they held Communistic views, which they readily proclaimed, and that the object of their visit might be to engage in propaganda connected with the Spanish struggle. As has been stated on previous occasions, it is the policy of His Majesty's Government not to grant facilities to foreigners to enter this country for the purpose of furthering the interests or engaging in propaganda on behalf of either side in the Spanish struggle.

When the immigration officer questioned these two young men, did be question them on the fact that they were coming to speak for a relief organisation, or that the week-end was to be spent in being entertained by the Cambridge Union?

I was not aware of those facts, but I think it is time that someone said a word of commendation of the very difficult work done by the immigration officers. Every day they have to decide extremely difficult points, and I am really not prepared to make any apology for their action, particularly in cases where applicants have made patently untrue statements.

Can the hon. Gentleman give any guarantee that, when any Members of the Government go abroad, they do not commit themselves to any Fascist ideas?

Will my hon. Friend convey the congratulations of the Government to the immigration officers?

Cotton Enabling Bill

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can make any statement as to when the Cotton Enabling Bill is likely to be brought before this House for Second Reading?

The proposals for this Measure are at present under discussion between the Joint Committee of Cotton Trade Organisations and various interests that are likely to be affected by it. In these circumstances, I am not yet in a position to announce when the Bill will come before the House.

I cannot give a definite answer. A good deal will depend on how rapidly these negotiations progress.

Whenever a decision has been come to, will the Bill be brought in?

If agreement is reached, I think the Bill will be brought in soon afterwards.

If no agreement is reached, is there no alternative legislation calculated to improve the condition of the cotton industry?

Is it the new policy of the Government to bring in Bills only when there is complete agreement with everybody concerned?

Public Amenities (Advertisements)

48.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that the local councils concerned recently objected to advertisements which they consider injuriously affect the views of rural scenery, but that the magistrates took a different view and refused to interfere with the advertisements; and whether he will consider strengthening the law whereby elected bodies will have more power of decision in cases of this nature with a view to protecting public amenities?

The question of strengthening the Advertisements Regulation Acts is now being examined by a committee set up by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and my right hon. Friend.

Will my hon. Friend take steps to make certain that the bureaucrats are not left unchecked by the courts of justice?

Air-Raid Precautions

49.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he can now state what steps local authorities should take regarding those trenches dug during the crisis which are suitable for retention?

52.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has now decided on the best type of trenches suitable for the shelter of the civil population in air-raids; and whether instructions have gone out to the local air-raid authorities advising them on the best types for their district?

58.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether local authorities have yet received instructions as to the action to be taken with regard to the trenches prepared during the recent emergency; and, if not, when such instructions will be dispatched?

As the House knows, the decision that properly sited trenches should be made permanent was taken some days ago; but if that decision had been communicated to the local authorities at that stage, a detailed scheme of the work to be carried out would have had to be submitted for approval in every case before the local authority could know whether Government grant would be available. This would have involved a large amount of correspondence and much delay; and, in order to avoid this, I decided that it would be preferable to defer sending any circular to the local authorities until we could give them clear guidance showing what type of permanent construction would be approved for purposes of grant. A standard plan, with a general specification and a bill of quantities, has now been prepared in consultation with public works contractors and technical officers of local authorities; and I am communicating this forthwith to all local authorities, so that they may proceed at once with the knowledge that, if they carry out the work in accordance with this plan and within the cost indicated in the specification, the expenditure will rank for grant under the Air Raid Precautions Act, and my right hon. Friend the Minister of Health will also be prepared to agree that the expenditure falling on the local authorities shall be treated on a loan basis. The details of the arrangements for giving unemployed labour opportunities of paid employment in connection with this work are included in the circular.

Is my right hon. Friend aware of the strong opinion among experts and many well-informed members of the public as to the great dangers attaching to trenches as air-raid refuges, and will he take into full consideration the question of whether they are suitable in view of the dangers connected with them?

Are the many long, straight trenches which were dug during the crisis considered perfectly sited?

Will the trenches that have been filled up be re-opened in the event of another crisis?

I am advised that there are technical reasons which make it rather risky to attempt to open trenches that have been dug and recently filled up.

Will my right hon. Friend place a copy of the designs in the Tea Room, so that hon. Members may study them?

Are local authorities given no option, or may they adopt alternative methods, such as shoring the trenches up with timber or filling them with cement?

Of course, I will make the circular available. The point of my answer is that if local authorities choose to proceed in accordance with the suggestions in the circular they may take it for granted that the expenditure will rank for grant. If they proceed with plans of their own, they will have to submit those plans for consideration before a grant is made.

53.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware that in many rural areas the only instructions which air-raid wardens have received have been in the properties and methods of combating gas; that gas attacks in remote rural areas are very unlikely; and whether he will take steps to see that other forms of instruction are given in those areas?

The subjects in which air-raid wardens should receive training have been set out in the publications issued by the A.R.P. Department for the guidance of local authorities, and cover various matters in addition to methods of combating gas. I am aware that in a number of districts the training of wardens has not been of a sufficiently comprehensive character. Amplified instructions on the subject are about to he issued to local authorities, and every endeavour will be made to ensure that all wardens are given a full course of training on the lines laid down by the Department.

Does the right hon. Gentleman envisage the kind of work which will fall on air-raid wardens in rural areas in the event of raids?

Is my right hon. Friend aware that in some parts of East Scotland the necessary equipment for training is not available?

54.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware that in certain towns and areas vulnerable to air attack the construction of shelter-trenches is difficult owing to water from rivers and canals coming in; and whether he is advising air-raid authorities on the type of shelter which is more suitable for such places?

I assume that the hon. Member has in mind areas where, owing to the water-level, it is not possible to carry trenches to a sufficient depth. The plan which I am issuing to local authorities can be adapted, in such areas as these, to allow part of the structure to be above the ground level with appropriate covering.

59.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will make a statement on the position of the Highlands of Scotland with regard to the question of removal of urban populations in time of war?

I am not at present in a position to make any statement regarding the application to the Highlands of any evacuation arrangements which may be made in Scotland; but my right hon. Friends the Secretary of State for Scotland and the Minister of Health and myself are this afternoon receiving a deputation from the representative associations of all local authorities in Great Britain to discuss the whole question of evacuation.

In view of the decrease in population in the Highlands, does not the right hon. Gentleman think that some part of the Highlands would be suitable for evacuation on a fairly large scale?

6o.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has taken steps to collect the views of local authorities, air-raid precautions chief wardens, and other responsible persons on the errors and deficiencies of the schemes of evacuation proposed to be carried out during the recent crisis; and whether he can now give an assurance that these bodies and persons will be consulted in the detailed preparations of any future schemes?

My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and the Minister of Health have under consideration reports on these schemes from local authorities and from other sources. As I stated in reply to the previous question, we are receiving this afternoon a deputation from the local authorities and we shall, of course, consider any suggestions which they may put forward regarding future procedure.

Will my right hon. Friend take special note of the views of the chief air-raid wardens, who perhaps know more about this matter than even the local authorities?

We hope that the chief air-raid wardens, who are appointed by local authorities, will communicate their views to the local authorities.

62.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he intends to establish a training centre in Scotland for the full instruction of Scottish air-raid wardens?

No, Sir. The duty of training air-raid wardens rests upon the local air-raid precautions authorities.

Is it correct that the work which has been done in this regard in respect of air-raid precautions by the railway companies in Scotland has been discontinued by them, and is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that he has ways and means of replacing that work?

That point has not been brought to my notice but if a question is put down I will look into it.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that out of 43,000 air-raid wardens only 11,000 in Scotland have received adequate training because of the lack of training facilities in Scotland and of their having to travel to England?

The hon. Member is under a misapprehension. Air-raid wardens are not under any necessity of travelling to England for training. The training which is given in England is given not to air-raid wardens, but to air-raid precautions organising officers, and is an entirely separate matter.

Is it not in any case a very pleasant thing for Scottish people to travel to England?

64.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether the form of insurance policy under which local authorities are authorised by the Home Office to insure members of the auxiliary fire service provides for any payment in case of temporary partial disablement?

Does not the right hon. Gentleman think that the auxiliary firemen ought to be compensated for temporary partial disablement, and if that is the case, is it not reasonable that local authorities should be able to insure against the risk; and meanwhile, will any payments made by local authorities by way of compensation for temporary partial disablement rank for grant?

My hon. Friend will realise that the insurance scheme relates only to the training period; and as regards the latter part of his question, the position is that reasonable expenditure of the local authority by way of recompense for medical or for out-of-pocket expenses to auxiliary firemen temporarily partially incapacitated may rank for grant.

65.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether any facilities are available for unemployed ex-service officers and men who have qualified as air-raid wardens to obtain further training, with a view to qualifying for full-time employment in the air-raid precautions service?

I am not quite sure what kind of further training and employment the hon. Member has in mind; but if he is referring to the courses of training provided at the Home Office Air Raid Precautions School in London for the air-raid precautions organising officers of local authorities, I would point out that the demand for vacancies in the courses at this school is such that they can be allocated only to persons already in the service of the local authorities.

Has the right hon. Gentleman noticed the tendency on the part of certain local authorities to appoint as full-time air-raid officers elderly persons who are already in receipt of considerable pensions, and is it not better to give ex-officers and ex-service men an opportunity of undertaking the training necessary to enable them to quality to obtain the position?

I must assume, in the absence of information to the contrary, that the responsible local authorities take all relevant considerations into account in making their selection.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman realise that the local authorities have to insist upon a certain standard of qualification, and that it is impossible for unemployed ex-service men and officers to get the necessary course of training to obtain that qualification.

On a point of Order. May I ask you very respectfully, Mr. Speaker, in view of the fact that cannot ask a supplementary question on a London question, to keep irresponsible London Members out of Scottish questions?

66.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he can yet say by what method and under what authority air-raid warden officers, namely, divisional wardens, head wardens, etc., are appointed; whether he is aware that they have no security of tenure and the local authorities no certainty of service by them; and what immediate steps he proposes to take to regularise the position and remedy the anomaly?

Air-raid wardens are appointed by local authorities in pursuance of the obligation specifically imposed upon them by Regulations under the Air Raid Precautions Act, 1937, to organise services of air-raid wardens. The present service of wardens is a part-time and voluntary service; and as at present advised I have no reason to suppose that an adequate service cannot be recruited and maintained on this basis. I am, however, reviewing the question to what extent the air-raid precautions' services ought to include numbers of volunteers who will agree to give whole-time paid service in war, and what obligations those who volunteer for such service should be required to undertake.

Arising out of the first part of the reply, is not my right hon. Friend aware that local authorities do not in fact appoint voluntary air-raid warden officers, that there is no letter of appointment, that there are no terms of appointment, that they are entirely voluntary in their services and they really do not know how long they ought to remain?

67.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is aware that the clear understanding given to the House during the passage of the Air-Raid Precautions Act to the effect that the out-of-pocket expenses of volunteer air-raid precautions personnel would be met from public funds has not been carried out; in how many areas local authorities have made general provision for meeting these out-of-pocket expenses; and what immediate action he proposes to take?

As stated in previous replies to my hon. Friend, it has always been the intention that training should be provided without cost to the volunteers, and in the memorandum in July explaining the Air-Raid Precautions (Approval of Expenditure) Regulations, for instance, it was stated that the Secretary of State was prepared in advance to approve for purposes of grant reasonable expenditure on such items as the travelling expenses of volunteers attending for training, or the issue of handbooks, etc. This memorandum went to all local authorities, and wherever a local authority has proposed reasonable repayments of expenses incurred by volunteers approval has been given. I have no reason to believe that such expenses are not being repaid, where repayment is desired, but I am not in possession of information showing how the matter is being dealt with in the area of every local authority, and I would point out that repayment, although it attracts grant, is primarily a matter for the local authority concerned, and is within its discretion.

Will my right hon. Friend investigate the position in Leeds, where the local authority undertook to make the payment of 7s. 6d. for out-of-pocket travelling expenses and the proposal has been rejected by the Home Office? Will he inquire why that proposal by the local authority has not been allowed to take effect?

Will the right hon. Gentleman take care to see that the clothes used have no pockets, because that would save the whole business?

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind in this matter, as in all other matters connected with his Department, that every penny spent on passive defence leaves us with one penny less to spend on the more important matter of active defence?

68.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what was the total number of air-raid precautions volunteers as revealed in the full returns obtained from local authorities in the middle of June; whether any further periodical return has yet been made, and, if so, what was the total number revealed by that further return; and why these figures have not been made public?

The total number of volunteers enrolled on 31st May, as recorded in the returns from local authorities which were referred to in the answer given to the hon. Member on 26th May, was 466,958. The corresponding number on 31st October was nearly 1,100,000, but as the returns are not yet quite complete I cannot give an exact figure. A figure of over 1,000,000 was given on the 1st instant in reply to a question by the hon. Member for Duddeston (Mr. Simmonds).

Will my right hon. Friend publish these figures monthly as they are received from the local authorities?

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that he does not overload the local authorities with an enormous amount of clerical work in continually making returns?

69.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what arrangements have been made for the purpose of ensuring that medical practitioners in this country who have volunteered for air-raid precautions duties receive specific training in the treatment of various types of gas poisoning and/or casualties?

Specially selected and trained medical practitioners were appointed by the Home Office in 1936 and are available throughout Great Britain to give to members of the medical and allied professions, whether they have volunteered for air-raid precautions duties or not, free training in the general and medical aspects of anti-gas measures so as to enable them to give skilled treatment to gas casualties.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether any special courses are provided for anti-gas drill?

On a point of Order. The Lord Privy Seal did not answer a supplementary question which I put previously, on the ground that he would be answering a similar question later. As he has not done so, may I repeat my question as to whether the long trenches built during the crisis are suitable for retention?

The hon. Gentleman will realise that I did not do so because the question was not called. My answer is, that special attention has been given in the instructions to the importance of limiting the length of straight trenches. When the instructions, which are going out to-morrow, are available, the exact position will be quite clear.

National Register

61.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is now in a position to state the views of the Government upon the subject of a national register for voluntary service?

63.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has decided to institute a national register; and, if so, whether it is to be voluntary or compulsory.

70.

asked the Lord Privy Seal when he proposes to implement the Government pledge that they will give guidance at an early moment as regards offering an opportunity to every fit man and woman to serve the country in one capacity or another?

I hope to be in a position to make a full statement on this matter on Thursday next.

Education

Secondary Schools

71.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he will publish the terms of Circular No. 1464; and whether he is aware that, as a result of this being issued, a number of schemes for developing or extending secondary schools have been abandoned by local authorities; and what is he doing to counteract this?

Circular 1464 has been given a very wide circulation and its terms have been quoted in the educational Press and extensively noticed in the general Press. The Circular does not call for the abandonment of any secondary school proposals, and I have no evidence that it has led to this result. All that the Circular does in this respect is to require local education authorities, save in exceptional circumstances, to postpone the replacement, improvement or enlargement of existing secondary schools.

Can the hon. Member say whether the circular affects schemes which were approved in principle at the time when the Circular was issued?

Liverpool (Grant)

72.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether it is the intention of his Department to maintain the deduction of £15,000 per month from Liverpool education grants; what are the total deductions to date; and what arrangements have been made to implement the Education Act, 1936, in Liverpool?

The Board's decision to withhold £15,000 from each of the monthly instalments of substantive grant for elementary education, owing to the failure of the local education authority to deal adequately with the problem of public elementary school supply in the Dockside area, has been taken in order to avoid the over-payment of grant should the Board find themselves obliged at the end of the current financial year to declare the authority in default and to make a deduction from the grant—in which case the Board would have to report the matter to Parliament. I cannot anticipate the decision which the Board may take. The total amount of grant withheld to date is £75,000. If the hon. Member in the last part of his question refers to the matter of grants for voluntary senior schools under Section 8 of the Education Act, 1936, the answer is that the Liverpool authority have decided to make no such grants.

Is it the intention of the Government if Liverpool should fail at the end of the year to take action to bring them to this House as defaulters?

Students

73.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he will state, separately, the total number of students who left teachers' training colleges in England at the end of the session 1937–38, July, 1938; the total number of students who left teachers' training colleges in Wales in July, 1938; the total number known to have obtained employment as teachers in England; and the total number known to have obtained employment as teachers in Wales?

As the answer contains a number of figures, I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the answer:

The number of students who left training colleges and university training departments in England in 1938 is 5,887; 1,851 men and 4,036 women. The numbers of these whose appointments in grant-aided schools have been notified to the Board up to 18th November are 4,559 (1,219 men and 3,340 women) in schools in England and 43 (14 men and 29 women) in schools in Wales. The number of students who left training colleges and training departments in Wales in 1938 is 653; 268 men and 385 women. The numbers of these whose appointments in grant-aided schools have been notified up to 18th November are 237 (53 men and 184 women) in schools in England and 139 (46 men and 93 women) in schools in Wales. Information regarding the numbers appointed in other schools is not available.

School Medical Service

74.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education what steps the Government propose to take to carry out the recommendations of the committee of inquiry into problems relating to children with defective hearing, and, in particular, if steps are being taken for the establishment of schemes for the treatment of ear diseases and defective hearing as a branch of the school medical service of local education authorities; and whether these schemes include the provision of outpatient treatment and facilities for hospital treatment?

The Board are in general agreement with the recommendations of the committee and are now considering what steps are necessary to give effect to them. About one-half of the local education authorities are known to have schemes for the treatment of ear diseases and defective hearing. These schemes comprise arrangements either for the services of visiting specialists at aural clinics, or for the provision at hospitals of inpatient or out-patient treatment. The Board drew attention to the need for expert treatment of car disease by these methods in Circular 1444, published in January, 1936.

Can the hon. Member say when the Board expect to come to a definite decision in the matter?

We are waiting for returns from the local authorities, which will come in the New Year.

Hackney Downs School (Reconstruction)

75.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education when the work of reconstructing the Hackney Downs School, the plans for which have been passed by the Board of Education and the London County Council, will be commenced?

Preliminary plans for the reconstruction of Hackney Downs School have received the general approval of the Board, but as final plans have not yet been submitted, the proposal has been returned to the local education authority for further consideration in the light of Circular 1464. The question of further progress at the present time with the whole or part of this project will depend upon the Board's consideration of any views that may be expressed by the authority.

Does the hon. Member understand that this school is a very ancient and honourable one, that it is still lit by gas, and that there is a very urgent need for reconstruction at the earliest possible moment?

I have the exact details of this school, and the case will be sympathetically considered.

Is this another case of inefficiency of the Socialist London County Council?

Business Of The House

Can the Chancellor of the Exchequer say what business will be taken next week?

Monday: Committee and remaining stages of the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill, and Committee stage of the Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Money Resolution.

  • Tuesday and Thursday: Second Reading of the Criminal Justice Bill and Committee stage of the necessary Financial Resolution.
  • Wednesday: Private Members' Motions.
  • Friday: Private Members' Bills will be considered.
On any day, if there is time, progress will be made with other Business, including the Public Works Loans Bill.

May I ask when the Government propose to bring before the House the report of the Committee on the Official Secrets Acts?

I am afraid that I am not in a position to announce the day when it will be possible for my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister to find an opportunity for a discussion of the report of the Select Committee on the Official Secrets Acts.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that this is a Committee of this House to inquire into the action of certain Ministers, and that it is very undesirable to leave it over for a long time; and, further, a very important question with which it deals is the use of the Official Secrets Acts in respect of Members carrying on their official duties in this House?

I bear that in mind. Of course, the House will appreciate that at this period of the Session we ought to get on with the Second Readings of very important Bills, but I feel sure that the Prime Minister will do his best to provide an opportunity for this discussion before the Christmas Recess.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say when the Committee will be reconstituted, in order to carry out the second part of the task allotted to it?

Is it the intention of His Majesty's Government to proceed with the Milk Bill?

Does not the business which has been announced by the right hon. Gentleman mean that the Milk Bill has either been dropped or that it is to be altered in some way?

No. The question that was put to me was as to the business for next week. I gave the information relating to business next week, but not for the week after.

Bills Presented

Mining Industry (Welfare Fund) Bill

"to amend section twenty of the Mining Industry Act, 1920, and the enactments amending that section," presented by Captain Crookshank; supported by Mr. Stanley; to be read a Second time To-morrow, and to be printed. [Bill 36.]

Public Works Loans Bill

"to grant money for the purpose of certain local loans out of the Local Loans Fund, and for other purposes relating to local loans," presented by Captain Wallace; to be read a Second time upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 37.]

Chairmen's Panel

Resolutions reported from the Chairmen's Panel:

  • 1. That where, on two successive sittings of a Standing Committee called for the consideration of a particular Bill, the Committee has to be adjourned by reason of the absence of a quorum within the first twenty minutes of the time for which the said Committee was summoned, the Chairman do instruct the Clerk to place the particular Bill at the bottom of the list of Bills then waiting consideration of that Committee, and that the Committee shall forthwith be convened to consider the other Bill or Bills then waiting.
  • 2. That it is the undoubted and established right of the Chairman who is appointed to a Standing Committee for the consideration of a particular Bill to name the day and hour on which the consideration of the Bill shall begin.
  • 3. That if, during the consideration of a Bill before one of the Standing Committees, it shall appear that the business would be expedited by postponing the further consideration of the Bill in hand until the Bill next on the list has been reported, and if the Member in charge of the Bill rises and makes a Motion to that effect, the Chairman will be in order in proposing such a question.
  • Report to lie upon the Table.

    Selection (Chairmen's Panel) (Parliament Act, 1911)

    Colonel Gretton reported from the Committee of Selection; That, in pursuance of Section 1, Sub-section (3), of the Parliament Act, 1911, they had appointed Sir Hugh O'Neill and Sir Robert Young from the Chairmen's Panel, with whom Mr. Speaker shall consult, if practicable, before giving his certificate to a Money Bill.

    Report to lie upon the Table.

    Selection (Standing Orders Committee) (Panel)

    Colonel Gretton reported from the Committee of Selection; That they had selected the following Eight Members to be the Panel appointed to serve on the Select Committee on Standing Orders under Standing Order 98: Lieut.-Colonel Acland-Troyte, Mr. Frankel, Sir Francis Fremantle, Major Leighton, Mr. Mander, Sir Frank Sanderson, Mr. Annesley Somerville, and Mr. Tinker.

    Report to lie upon the Table.

    Selection (Committee On Unopposed Bills) (Panel)

    Colonel Gretton reported from the Committee of Selection; That they had selected the following Twelve Members to be the Panel appointed to serve on the Committee on Unopposed Bills under Standing Order 111: Mr. Boulton, Mr. Broad, Captain Crawford Browne, Mr. Crowder, Sir Geoffrey Ellis, Sir Francis Fremantle, Sir George Hume, Mr. Lee, Mr. Logan, Colonel Sir Charles MacAndrew, Mr. Moreing, and Mr. Storey.

    Report to lie upon the Table.

    Selection (Private Legisla- Tion Procedure (Scotland) Act, 1936) (Panel)

    Colonel Gretton reported from the Committee of Selection; That, in pursuance of the provisions of the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act, 1936, they had selected the following Twenty-five Members to form the Parliamentary Panel of Members of this House to act as Commissioners: Mr. Barr, Mr. Chapman, Sir Samuel Chapman, the Marquess of Clydesdale, Sir Henry Fildes, Sir Edmund Findlay, Mr. Gibson, Mr. Guy, Miss Horsbrugh, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Graham Kerr, Mr. Kirkwood, Captain McEwen, Mr. Maclay, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Thomas Moore, Major Neven-Spence, Lord William Scott, Captain Shaw, Sir Robert Smith, Mr. Henderson Stewart, Sir Douglas Thomson, Sir John Train, Mr. Watson, Mr. Welsh, and Mr. Young.

    Report to lie upon the Table.

    Selection (Standing Committees)

    Standing Committee A

    Colonel Gretton reported from the Committee of Selection; That they had appointed the following Members to serve on Standing Committee A: Mr. David Adams, Colonel Sandeman Allen, Mr. Bartlett, Sir Brogrove Beauchamp, Mr. Beechman, Mr. Bellenger, Sir Ernest Bennett, Commander Bower, Mr. Burke, Mr. Butcher, Mr. Cartland, Captain Cazalet, Colonel Clarke, Viscountess Davidson, Mr. Dunn, Mr. Ede, Sir Edmund Findlay, Mr. George Griffiths, Mr. Joseph Henderson, Mr. Hunloke, Mr. Creech Jones, Mr. Kimball, Mr. Lathan, Mr. Leslie, Mr. Liddall, Commander Marsden, Mr. Maxwell, Sir John Mellor, Mr. Patrick, Mr. Pearson, Colonel Ponsonby, Mr. Sandys, Commander Sir Archibald Southby, Captain Strickland, Mr. Thomas, Mr. Thornycroft, Mr. Tree, Commander Tufnell, Mr. Graham White and Lord Willoughby de Eresby.

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That they had added the following Twenty Members to Standing Committee A (in respect of the Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Bill): the Lord Advocate, the Attorney General, Mr. Bracken, Sir George Broadbridge, Mr. Buchan-Hepburn, Mr. Trevor Cox, Mr. Cross, Mr. Duncan, Captain Ernest Evans, Mr. Hely-Hutchinson, Mr. Holmes, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Robert Morrison, Mr. Poole, Sir David Reid, Sir George Schuster, Mr. Silkin, Mr. Silverman, the Solicitor General, and Mr. Stanley.

    Standing Committee B

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That they had appointed the following Members to serve on Standing Committee B: Mr. Acland, Mrs. Adamson, Mr. Anstruther-Gray, Major Braithwaite, Mr. Charles Brown, Major Carver, Mr. Chorlton, Captain Cobb, Mr. Collindridge, Mr. Rhys Davies, Mr. De la Bère, Mr. Dobbie, Mr. Eckersley, Mr. Gardner, Mr. Granville, Mr. Crawford Greene, Mr. James Griffiths, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Kirby, Sir Joseph Leech, Mr. Levy, Mr. Loftus, Mr. Logan, Mr. Mainwaring, Lieut.-Colonel Mayhew, Sir Richard Meller, Sir Henry Morris-Jones, Mr. Harold Nicolson, Mr. Petherick, Mr. Pilkington, Mr. Raikes, Sir Robert Rankin, Miss Rathbone, Mr. Ritson, Admiral Sir Percy Royds, Sir Walter Smiles, Vice-Admiral Taylor, Miss Ward, Major Whiteley, and Mr. Wood.

    Scottish Standing Committee

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That the Standing Committee for the consideration of all Public Bills relating exclusively to Scotland and committed to a Standing Committee consists of the following Members, being Members representing Scottish Constituencies, under Standing Order 47 (2): the Lord Advocate, Brigadier-General Sir William Alexander, Sir John Anderson, Mr. Anstruther-Gray, the Duchess of Atholl, Sir Malcolm Barclay-Harvey, Mr. Barr, Mr. Boothby, Mr. Ernest Brown, Mr. James Brown, Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Cassells, Mr. Chapman, Sir Samuel Chapman, the Marquess of Clydesdale, Mr. Colville, Mr. Davidson, Lord Dunglass, Mr. Elliot, Mr. Erskine Hill, Sir Henry Fildes, Sir Edmund Findlay, Mr. Foot, Mr. Gallacher, Mr. Garro Jones, Mr. Robert Gibson, Sir John Gilmour, Mr. Duncan Graham, Mr. Guy, Mrs. Hardie, Mr. Thomas Henderson, Miss Horsbrugh, Mr. Hunter, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Kennedy, Lieut.-Colonel Iain Kerr, Mr. Graham Kerr, Mr. Kirkwood, Mr. Leonard, Mr. Lindsay, Colonel Sir Charles MacAndrew, Sir Murdoch MacDonald, Mr. Malcolm MacDonald, Captain McEwen, Mr. McGovern, Mr. McKie, Mr. Maclay, Mr. Neil Maclean, Mr. Malcolm MacMillan, Mr. MacNeill Weir, Mr. Macquisten, Mr. Mathers, Mr. Maxton, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Thomas Moore, Mr. George Morrison, Major Neven-Spence, Mr. Pethick-Lawrence, Captain Ramsay, Lord William Scott, Captain Shaw, Sir Archibald Sinclair, Sir Robert Smith, the Solicitor-General for Scotland, Mr. Stephen, Mr. Henderson Stewart, Mr. James Stuart, Sir Douglas Thomson, Sir John Train, Mr. Walker, Mr. Watson, Mr. Wedderburn, Mr. Welsh, Mr. Westwood, and Mr. Young.

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That they had added the following Ten Members to the Standing Committee on Scottish Bills (in respect of the Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Bill): Mr. Doland, Mr. Emmott, Mr. Hannah, Mr. Higgs, Mr. McCorquodale, Brigadier-General Sir Ernest Makins, Major Rayner, Mr. Ross Taylor, Sir Alexander Russell, and Lord Column Crichton-Stuart.

    Standing Committee B

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That they had nominated Standing Committee B as the Committee on which Government Bills shall not have precedence.

    Colonel Gretton further reported from the Committee; That they had agreed to the following Resolution, which they had directed him to report to the House:

    That, after the day and time appointed for the first consideration of a Bill in Standing Committee, no application for changes in the composition of that Committee in respect of that Bill shall be entertained by the Committee of Selection.

    Reports to lie upon the Table.