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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 357: debated on Wednesday 28 February 1940

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Polish Government And The War

1.

asked the Prime Minister whether it is proposed that the Polish Government shall participate in meetings of the Supreme War Council?

It has been agreed that a Polish officer should be appointed to collaborate with the appropriate Anglo-French military authorities when questions affecting the employment of the Polish forces are under consideration. The Polish Government have nominated an officer for this purpose.

Would it not be in accordance with the spirit of the Anglo-Polish Treaty that there should be the closest possible co-operation and co-ordination at all meetings held between the Allies?

I am glad to say that this arrangement has been made in consultation with the Polish Government and has their approval.

May I ask when this Government was elected, where and when it sits, and what legislation it is passing?

China And Japan (Shanghai)

2.

asked the Prime Minister whether his intention has been drawn to the announcement of the Japanese official spokesman that the districts of Yangtzepoo and Hongkew in the Shanghai International Settlement will be restored to the Shanghai Municipal Council when the dispute as to the control of the outside roads area has been disposed of; what is the position as regards these two questions, and whether the Japanese have yet taken any steps to put an end to the lawless and dangerous conditions prevailing in the areas under their control adjoining the foreign settlements of Shanghai?

Yes, Sir. My attention has been drawn to the Press reports in question. A modus vivendifor the policing of the western outside roads area at Shanghai was signed on 16th February by the Chairman of the Shanghai Municipal Council and the Mayor of the Chinese City Government. The Japanese Consul-General then issued a communiqué that the Japanese authorities were ready to resume negotiations with the Council regarding the policing of the Hongkew and other areas north of the Soochow Creek. Conversations are in fact to be resumed between the two parties and it is hoped that these negotiations will lead to a settlement of other questions at issue concerning the Council's jurisdiction in those areas. The latest reports indicate that the crime situation is still very bad in the western extra-Settlement district, but the Japanese authorities have expressed their intention of doing away with a number of the gambling houses and dens of vice to which the disorderly conditions in this district have been chiefly due.

Will my right hon. Friend express the appreciation of this country at Japan's contemplated action and press them, if possible, to get on with the work of establishing order in the country?

Certainly, I will see that that expression of appreciation is passed forward and that the work the hon. Member desires is pressed on.

Allied War Aims

3.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will make it clear that, although it is the policy of His Majesty's Government to restore the Polish and Czech territories, it is not their policy to partition Germany, in view of official German propaganda alleging that such is the policy of His Majesty's Government?

I would refer the hon. and learned Member to the reply given to my hon. Friend the Member for Bilston (Mr. Hannah) on 31st January, which characterised such propaganda as "fantastic and malicious."

4.

asked the Prime Minister whether, with a view to maintaining peace in Europe, it is the policy of His Majesty's Government that the peace conference which will be held at the termination of the present war, should hear the representatives of any European Government which desires to place its national grievances before the conference?

I would refer the hon. and learned Member to the Prime Minister's speech at Birmingham on 24th February, in which he made it clear that we and our French allies could not and would not wish alone to settle the new Europe.

Arising from that answer, is it the intention of the Government to allow any European Government which desires to be at the conference to put forward its national grievances?

I am sure that any such settlement will be comprehensive in scope. The fact that we do not want to settle alone should reassure the hon. and learned Member.

I take it that the neutral countries will not be confined to those in Europe?

9.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will now give to the House specific points upon which His Majesty's Government would be prepared to enter into peace negotiations?

I would refer the hon. Member to the Prime Minister's speech at Birmingham on 24th February, in which the position of His Majesty's Government was clearly stated.

Is the right hon. Member aware that I asked for "specific points"? Is he further aware that there is a certain amount of suspicion in the country with regard to the Government's intentions, which retards the national war effort? In view of that, will he not take steps to allay that suspicion by placing down the specific points?

I think each one of us can help the national war effort. The statement which most accurately represents the Government's view was made by the Prime Minister in his Birmingham speech.

Is the Under-Secretary aware that when hon. Members at public meetings do try to assist the war efforts, they are met with suspicions of the Government's intentions? Does he not agree that that can only be allayed by the Government specifically stating terms under which they would enter peace?

Is not the only suspicion of the Government in this matter held by the country the fear that they will be too soft in their peace terms?

Russia And Turkey (Caucasus)

6.

asked the Prime Minister whether he can make a statement on the recent military and diplomatic developments on the Russian and Turkish side of the Caucasus?

My Noble Friend has received no official confirmation of the incidents on this frontier recently reported in the Press.

Is the Minister not aware of any activities in this part of the world at all?

There is always activity everywhere, but we have no confirmation of the extent of the incidents which have been reported in the Press.

Chile (Foreign Debt)

7.

asked the Prime Minister whether the Chilean Government have completed their sinking fund purchases due up to 31st December, 1939, in accordance with the unilateral law imposed upon foreign holders of defaulted Chilean obligations; and, if not, will he remind the Chilean authorities that, as the sinking fund proposals are their own proposals, it is expected that they will be punctually carried out?

The existing arrangements with regard to the Chilean foreign debt were made unilaterally by the Chilean Government, and were not recommended for acceptance by the Council of Foreign Bondholders. As at present advised my Noble Friend is not prepared to request the Chilean Government to carry out a scheme which the representatives of the British interests concerned have not recommended. I am circulating a statement on the present situation in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the statement:

According to a statement issued by the Chilean authorities in December, 1939, the revenue received during 1939 for the service of the external debt amounted to United States $9,456,203. Out of the 50 per cent. of this amount to be applied to sinking fund purchases it was stated that bonds of the nominal value of £120,560, United States $5,882,000 and Swiss francs 228,000 were bought and withdrawn from circulation. I understand that the balance not utilised was carried forward to increase the funds applicable to amortisation this year.

Finland (Assistance)

8.

asked the Prime Minister whether the Governments of Norway and Sweden have, in accordance with the recent decisions of the Council and Assembly of the League of Nations in connection with the conflict between Russia and Finland, expressed their willingness, in accordance with Article 16, Section 3, of the Covenant, to take the necessary steps to afford passage through their territory to the forces of any of the members of the League of Nations who are co-operating to protect the covenants of the League of Nations?

I would refer the hon. Member to the statement made by the Swedish delegate at Geneva on 15th December, 1939, reported in paragraph 23 of Command Paper 6160.

Can the Under-Secretary say whether that statement did in fact accept this obligation of the Covenant?

If the hon. Member will refer to the Command Paper in question, he will see that the Swedish delegate, speaking on behalf of the delegations of Sweden, Denmark and Norway, declared that they made every reservation in so far as the Resolution involved any measure coming within the scope of the system of sanctions.

Would it not be a serious breach of international law and treaty obligations if any country such as Norway and Sweden were to refuse to carry out the Covenant?

As a matter of accuracy, the Resolution adopted on the occasion of the Assembly of the Council contained no reference to Paragraph 3 of Article 16 of the Covenant.

Is it not a fact that the Swedish Government are affording considerable assistance to Finland?

Royal Air Force

Airmen (Commissions)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he has any information respecting the present number of airmen recommended for commissions; and how many of these received elementary, secondary and public school education, respectively?

Approximately 1,250 airmen to date have been recommended for commissions. I regret that I am unable to furnish the information asked for in the second part of the Question, which is not available and cannot be obtained without an undue expenditure of time and labour.

Is the Under-Secretary not aware that one of his colleagues is in fact trying to find information regarding the origin of these commissions? Can he not in the course of time endeavour to get this information?

I have no knowledge of any of my colleagues trying to obtain this information. I should be glad to receive information.

Is not the main object to ensure that the best men are chosen for commissions and not that they should come from any particular class of school?

Dependants' Extra Allowance, London Area

13.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he is aware that discontent has been caused by the exclusion of Dagenham, Barking and other parts of East London from the extra allowances granted to airmen's dependants living in the London postal area; and whether he will consider giving these to all those living in the London transport area, in view of the high rents, fares, etc., which have to be met by residents in outer London?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to him on 21st February by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for War, which is also applicable to dependants of airmen.

Is the Under-Secretary aware that there is a great deal of feeling in the East London district, that the Government do not realise that London has grown since the last war, and that many parts of it are outside the postal area?

I am not aware of any great feeling, but in cases where, owing to exceptional circumstances, there is serious hardship for wives or other dependants because of the calling-up of soldiers or airmen, which cannot be met by normal allowances, applications for special assistance can be considered by the War Services Grants Advisory Committee.

Is the Under-Secretary not aware that there are many such anomalies, due to the fact, as my hon. Friend has stated, that London has grown in the last 20 years? Would he not reconsider the matter with a view to extending the area in which these extra allowances will be made?

The matter has been considered, but wherever you draw a line, there will always be someone who does not come within it.

Aircraft Crews

14.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether there is any age limit with respect to youths sent out on reconnaissance flights over Germany; and whether a youth now aged 18½, who joined the Force a year ago is held liable for this duty?

Aircraft crews are drawn from personnel who have elected to serve on air duties, and provided they have reached the age of 18 and are fully qualified, they are liable to be employed on duty in the air in any part of the world.

Accident, Wallington

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he can give any information in connection with the Royal Air Force plane crash at Wallington, Surrey, on Saturday; how many people were killed; and whether any compensation is to be paid?

I regret that at the present time I am not able to add anything to what has already been reported in the Press concerning this accident, which resulted in the death of a woman, her child and one officer. The accident will be the subject of an official investigation and the question of compensation will receive full consideration. I feel sure I am voicing the feelings of the House in expressing our sympathy with the relatives of those killed.

Can my hon. and gallant Friend give an assurance that compensation will not be withheld on the ground that this is the class of case in which it was contemplated that compensation should not take place until the conclusion of the war?

I have said that it is intended to investigate the cause of the accident and that the question of compensation will receive full consideration.

Entertainments (Unpaid Artistes)

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he is aware that performances are being organised on a Sunday with artistes on behalf of branches of the Royal Air Force, in districts where there are already ample entertainments provided; and whether, in view of the serious effect which this form of competition is having on local enter prises, he will consider putting an end to this practice?

My hon. Friend has sent me particulars, which only reached me yesterday, of the performance forming the subject of his Question. I will make inquiries into the circumstances and communicate with my hon. Friend as soon as possible.

Is the hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that the artistes who take part in these performances are not paid for their services, but that money is taken at the door and that artistes are out of work who could well do with the salaries that ought to be paid?

I have said that I will inquire into the circumstances of this particular performance, but it is difficult to say that those who are willing to give the benefit of their skill and experience for nothing should be denied the opportunity of doing so or that troops should be denied the opportunity of hearing them.

The artistes to whom I am referring are working six days a week, and then they give their services on Sundays, while artistes in the same towns are out of work all the week.

Government Departments

Air Ministry (Confidential Documents)

12.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he will issue orders to all concerned who are in charge of confidential documents not to leave these in unattended motor-cars, as nearly a dozen cases of theft of these valuable secret documents have been reported since the beginning of the war?

Instructions on this matter have already been issued. So far as I am aware, there has been no case since the outbreak of war in which the staff of my Department have been involved.

Ministry Of Food

59.

asked the Minister of Food what are the duties of Mr. W. A. Harley, as sub-area chairman at Inverness; what is his total remuneration, including staff and office accommodation; what salary he earned prior to his appointment; whether he is still acting in and receiving salary for his former employment; and whether he is acting for his former employers?

As the answer is rather long, I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Can the Minister state to the House the actual salary paid to this individual to-day and the salary he received prior to his appointment?

As the question is rather involved, I will ask the hon. Member to look at the original answer, and then he can ask me a further question if he so desires.

61.

asked the Minister of Food the names of those engaged in the administration of his Department, including the livestock and meat rationing scheme in the West Riding of York; their salaries; and the duties assigned to them?

As the reply consists of a tabular statement, I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Can the Minister state whether the West Riding is a separate administrative area?

74.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware that the assistant head of the Butter and Cheese Trade Division, to whom a salary of £500 per annum is being paid, was appointed at the age of 71; and whether, since this officer is not dependent upon his Civil Service salary, he will consider appointing to the post a qualified but younger officer who has no alternative income?

The officer in question is not the assistant head of the Butter and Cheese Trade Division, but holds a responsible post.

Civil Aviation

Development Committee

15.

asked the Secretary of State for Air the names of the members of the Civil Aviation Development Committee and the number of meetings that this committee has held since the outbreak of hostilities?

On account of the altered circumstances due to the outbreak of hostilities my right hon. Friend did not proceed with the appointment of this committee.

Was this committee not unanimously proposed by the Harold Brown Committee set up by the Secretary of State for Air? Is this not a long-term planning committee, and is it not essential that all the work in connection with civil aircraft development should be planned?

The setting-up of that committee was for our peace-time programme. If my hon. Friend will look at the terms of reference contained in the White Paper for that committee, he will see that it does not provide for war-time developments. The Secretary of State for Air, however, intends to deal with this matter and other civil aviation matters in his speech on the Estimates.

"G"-Class Flying Boats

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Air the percentage to completion of the three "G"-class civil flying boats; whether their construction is actively proceeding; and by what date each boat will be completed?

The flying boats referred to by my hon. Friend have been completed. One was slightly damaged recently and is being repaired, and another has been returned to the makers for modifications to the crew's quarters. Certificate of airworthiness trials are to be commenced immediately on the third boat and will, given reasonable weather conditions, take some three to four weeks. Extensive flying trials will, however, be necessary before the boats can be put into service.

Can my hon. and gallant Friend say whether it is his firm hope that these boats may be used on Transatlantic services this year?

It is our hope, if present Transatlantic plans materialise, that all three boats may be used for Transatlantic services, but, of course, that depends on technical problems and also on the development of the war and war needs.

Oversea Routes

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Air the number and gross weight of British civil aircraft, excluding those upon Dominion register, operating on oversea air routs during August, 1939, and at the present date?

On 31st August last the number of aircraft registered in the United Kingdom so employed was 63, with a total gross weight of 742 tons. The corresponding figures on 27th February were 45 aircraft, with a total gross weight of 603 tons.

Is there a firm intention to increase the number and tonnage at an early date, in view of the importance of civil aviation, equally with the Mercantile Marine, in time of war?

We have every hope of being able to continue and where possible to develop our civil aviation services, but this reduction is in part due not to war causes, but to the cessation of the summer Transatlantic service.

Royal Navy

Patrol Service (Age Limit)

21.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he will consider abolishing the maximum age limit of 45 included in the Admiralty appeal for fishermen to volunteer for mine-sweeping, naval patrol work, etc., in view of the fact that many fishermen above 45 years of age are thoroughly fit and anxious to volunteer?

Personnel in sea-going fishing vessels are accepted up to the age of 55 for any branch of the Royal Naval Patrol Service for the period of the war. When, however, a volunteer is particularly suitable, he may be accepted up to the age of 60.

Shipbuilding (Palmer's Works,Jarrow)

23.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he will take such steps as may be necessary to see that the restrictions against shipbuilding in the Palmer Yard, Jarrow, imposed by National Shipbuilders' Security, Limited, are removed; facilitate the grant of a lease or sale of the site from the Commissioner for the Special Areas (England and Wales) or his successor, or other the owner at present; place this yard on the approved list for the construction of naval and/or merchant vessels; and give equal treatment in the supply of finance, labour and materials, in the matter of reconstruction, adaptation, extension and the building of ships to the Palmer Yard, as to other shipbuilding yards on the approved list?

Discussions, with which the Admiralty are associated, are now taking place between the Minister of Labour, the Shipbuilding Employers' Federation and the trade unions on the capacity and labour required to carry out the Government's shipbuilding programme. Until these discussions are completed and until a decision on policy has been reached, it is impossible to make any further statement. I would, however, refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave her on 14th February, which states the Admiralty's policy in broad terms.

I am aware of the answer given on 14th February. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that since then inquiries have been made in Jarrow, from which it appears that finance can be provided if the conditions laid down in the Question are provided by the Admiralty, and that that is why the question is now brought forward in view of the serious conditions that still obtain in this town? Will the hon. Gentleman give the matter his special consideration?

I am anxious not to be specific in regard to any particular shipyard, because it would be wrong to raise any hopes. The hon. Lady must be patient a little longer, because the matter is shortly to be decided by the authorities.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that on this site and others in the district the piling and preparation of the yard, which take years to complete, have already been done, and that in order to accelerate the shipbuilding programme it is necessary to make use of existing yards?

My right hon. Friend answered last week as to the policy and said it would be wrong to assume that yards which had been totally dismantled could soon come into production.

Is it not essential that the first step should be taken now by removing the restrictions imposed by National Shipbuilders' Security, Limited?

Dependants' Extra Allowances, London Area

24.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is aware that discontent has been caused by the exclusion of Dagenham, Barking and other parts of East London from the extra allowances granted to sailors' dependants living in the London postal area; and whether he will consider giving these to all those living in the London transport area, in view of the high rents, fares, etc., which have to be met by residents in outer London?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for War gave him on a similar Question about the dependants of soldiers on 21st February.

Would the hon. Gentleman like to see some of the letters from sailors' wives, who want to know why they cannot get the 3s. 6d. extra which wives next door are getting?

Will the hon. Gentleman consider extending the area in which these grants are paid from the London postal area to the London transport area?

Is my hon. Friend aware that there is discontent also in Portsmouth and other towns in which the rents, rates, and cost of living are high, at sailors' wives being excluded from the allowance granted to those living in London?

I understand it has always been the trade union practice that if special rates of pay are payable, they are paid to those living in the London area. We have to choose some area, and I think that the area which has been chosen is the correct one.

Is not the postal area an arbitrary one as an area covering London, and is there not a larger number of people living outside the area than inside?

I do not think the claim has ever been made by the trade unions for extra scales in respect of the area to which the hon. Member refers.

As the hon. Gentleman has mentioned trade union agreements, will be examine the areas covered by London trade union agreements, and if he finds that some of the representative areas are beyond the areas he has taken, will he give favourable consideration to the request made by my hon. Friend?

Convoy System

25.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is aware that there is a great loss of effective tonnage owing to slow convoys; and will he endeavour to minimise this by arranging that, so far as is practicable, ships capable of a faster speed are not hampered by the presence in the convoy of less quickly moving vessels?

Yes, Sir. The Admiralty is well aware of this, which is an inherent disadvantage of any convoy system. To lessen the loss so far as possible, additional fast convoys were instituted at an early stage wherever practicable, and this policy will be continued.

Wireless Operator, "Sultan Star"

26.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he has any information in connection with the wireless operator, Mr. P. G. Winsor, who was on the "Sultan Star" that was torpedoed?

From the account sent by the master of steamship "Sultan Star," it is clear that the wireless operator, Mr. P. G. Winsor, behaved with great bravery after the ship had been torpedoed. He refused to leave the vessel until he had obtained an answer to his signals, and consequently he went down with the ship. By great good fortune he was able to swim clear, and he was picked up after about 20 minutes. He received immediate medical attention on board one of our warships, and although he was extremely exhausted, I am glad to say that he survived.

There is an authority which deals with exhibitions of gallantry like this.

Nigeria (Lagos: Health Services)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps are being taken to clean up the slums and create better drainage in Lagos; and whether he will take energetic action and see that the necessary money is forth coming so that a big programme of housing, slum-clearance and sanitary improvement is immediately and energetically embarked on?

Slum clearance in Lagos is being carried out by the Lagos Development Board established in 1929, when a sum of £200,000 was placed at its disposal. By the end of 1938 one-third of the slum areas had been dealt with, and in that year a further grant of £50,000 spread over four years was approved to enable the work to be continued. I am asking the Governor of Nigeria to consider what steps can usefully be taken to accelerate work on the matters raised in the hon. Member's Question, and he will no doubt bear in mind the possibility of applying for assistance towards it in due course under the policy which was announced last week.

Trinidad (Unsound Food)

28.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been drawn to the amount of unsound food, particularly of the tinned variety, imported into Trinidad; and whether he will take the necessary steps to secure legislation that will give the necessary powers to the authorities in Trinidad to deal with this danger to public health?

I am informed by the Governor that instances of unsound food arriving at Trinidad have been infrequent. Consignments are examined by the Customs authorities and held for inspection by the medical officer of health if there is any doubt as to their condition. The public health authorities are already empowered and do take action to prevent the sale of food unfit for human consumption, but in view of a recent case in which a consignment of tinned milk deteriorated after arrival, the Governor has under consideration the making of additional regulations under the Public Health Ordinance to provide for the examination and seizure of imported food which may constitute a danger to health.

British Guiana (Refugees)

29.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what numbers of refugees are now domiciled in British Guiana; and when it is expected that settlement may become available there for large numbers of refugees?

My latest information is that up to 30th September last about 40 persons who might be classified as refugees had obtained admission to the Colony. With regard to the second part of the Question, as I indicated in replies to questions on this subject on 20th September and 25th October last, owing to the war the refugee organisations have been obliged to suspend action in regard to the experimental scheme which was suggested by the Commission which visited the Colony in the early part of last year.

Is the Minister aware that six months have elapsed since that experiment began, and that the refugee problem ought to be dealt with more energetically if it is to be solved?

The difficulty is that the voluntary organisations which were concerned find it impossible in the present circumstances to raise their part of the money for the scheme.

Are the Government providing a motor road to the highlands, which is absolutely essential if this scheme is to succeed?

No, Sir. The Government did express their willingness to finance the making of that road, but only if that initial experiment in settlement indicated that settlement would be a success and the road of practical use.

Gold Coast (Native Welfare)

31.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, when he supplies the promised Return from the Governor of the Gold Coast relative to the profits of the gold companies and the amount spent upon welfare of their workers, he will exclude those sums expended upon compound houses, compensation for disablement and medical attention, etc., which are obligations of contract and cannot properly be designated as native welfare schemes?

I have asked the Governor whether it is possible to furnish this information in the form desired by the hon. Member.

Will the Minister note that some of the gold companies are now announcing the acceptance of certain elementary responsibilities as though these were new welfare works?

State Of Sarawak

32.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in view of the proximity of the independent protected State of Sarawak to British possessions in the East and its strategic importance, he will inform the House regarding the recent deposition of the Rajah muda, and the resignation, some months earlier, of five senior members of the Civil Service, including the chief secretary, the financial secretary, the chief justice and the principal medical officer?

The relations of His Majesty's Government with the State of Sarawak are governed by the Agreement of 1888, under which Sarawak was recognised to be an independent sovereign State, in the internal affairs of which His Majesty's Government had no authority to interfere, except for the limited purposes mentioned in the Agreement. In these circumstances I think it would be improper for me to make any comments on the facts referred to in my hon. Friend's Question.

West Indies

Royal Commission's Report

33.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will have placed in the Library for the use of Members a duplicated copy of the report of the Royal Commission on the West Indies, or, if this is not possible, a fair summary or abridgement of the report?

35.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he can see his way to placing a manuscript copy of the report of the Royal Commission on the West Indies in the Library so that interested Members may have an opportunity of reading it?

I regret that I cannot meet the hon. Members' request. With regard to the second part of the Question by the hon. Member for Leyton, West (Mr. Sorensen), I do not consider that the report could be satisfactorily summarised or abridged except in the form of the statement of recommendations prepared by the commissioners themselves, which was published last week.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that the evidence upon which the report is based is already published, and, further, does he appreciate how difficult it is to consider the recommendations of a Commission when we are not fully aware of the material upon which they are based?

Both those facts were taken into consideration when the Government were considering the matter.

Then will the right hon. Gentleman not assist Members to discuss the matter?

Agriculture (New Appointments)

37.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in considering the appointment of a comptroller and an inspector-general of agriculture in connection with development work in the West Indies, he will bear in mind the importance of securing, if possible, highly qualified men with a wide experience of West Indian social and economic conditions; and will he bear in mind the desirability, in making the appointments for the comptroller's department, of drawing no distinction between white and coloured candidates where qualifications are equally satisfactory?

The hon. Member may be assured that the considerations which he mentions will be taken into account in making selections for these posts.

May I ask whether the representative council of the West Indies will be consulted, or will information be sought from them, in regard to the appointment of a comptroller and an inspector-general before an appointment is made, and, further, whether coloured as well as white people will be eligible for these positions?

The answer to the second part of the Question is in the affirmative. With regard to the first part, I do not think there will be any formal consultation, though I would not rule out the possibility of informal consultation.

Sierra Leone (Defence Regulation)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he is yet in a position to inform the House what actions, prejudicial to the safety of the public, Mr. Wallace Johnson was, at the time of his internment, suspected of intending to commit; and whether he has yet received information as to the standard of living in the camp where Mr. Johnson is interned; and whether he is allowed to receive books and papers?

As regards the first part of the Question, I am not in a position to add anything to the answers which I gave to Questions by the hon. Member on 8th November last. As regards the second and third parts of the Question, the scale of diet in the internment camp is the same as that laid down for British troops in West Africa, and on the information before me I have no reason to think that in other respects the conditions of the camp are not satisfactory. During his detention in the camp, Mr. Johnson was accorded the same treatment as the other persons there interned and was allowed to receive letters, parcels and papers, and presumably books as well.

In cases like this, where people are detained, is there any intention of reviewing the circumstances of the case, or is it intended to keep them there until the end of the war—particularly in cases like this, where they were detained on such trivial accusations?

I cannot accept the last part of the hon. Member's comment, but certainly these cases will be reviewed from time to time.

But is there any machinery for reviewing them? Does the machinery operate? If not, how are these people to have an opportunity of securing a review?

It is a matter for the discretion of the Governor and the Secretary of State, and I can assure the hon. Member that both of us do intend to review cases like this—there are very few of them—from time to time.

When Wallace Johnson is released from prison—he is not in a camp at the present time—is it the intention to transfer him from prison to a detention camp?

I cannot anticipate what the decision will be. One will have to consider the whole case when the time arrives. At present, as the hon. Member says, he is serving a term of imprisonment after conviction on another charge altogether.

Kenya (Education)

38.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how much the Government spend in Kenya per head on educating European children; and will he give the comparable amount for African children?

On the basis of the figures for 1938, which are the latest available, the amounts in question are: European children, approximately £17 12s. per head; African children, approximately 12s. 3d. per head. In neither case are contributions from the funds of local authorities taken into account.

Is my right hon. Friend satisfied with the amount spent upon the education of African children, and in view of the fact that it is the declared policy of the Government to prepare the natives of these regions to take their part in government, will he not consider doing more in the matter?

On more than one occasion I have stated that the Government are not satisfied with the rate of progress in these African Colonies. It was partly for that reason that, in the statement of policy which was issued last week, we announced that in future it would be possible to finance education services out of the funds made available by the British Exchequer.

Is this 12s. per head reckoned on the number of African children actually in school or on the whole of the children who are old enough to go to school?

May I ask how much per head it is estimated will be spent under the new arrangement?

I could not possibly say that. We have not even got the legislation through Parliament yet.

Palestine

Public Works (Contracts)

39.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the principle of fair conditions of labour can be applied to all contracts for public works made by the Government in Palestine?

It is the declared policy of the Government of Palestine to ensure fair conditions of labour on Government works, and various safeguards have been provided by means of legislation. I doubt whether any useful purpose would be served by the adoption of the hon. Member's suggestion, but if he has any specific difficulty in mind I will gladly ask the High Commissioner to investigate the matter.

Do the public works now being carried out by the War Department come under the jurisdiction of the right hon. Gentleman, and, if not, will he make representations to his right hon. Friend that stipulations regarding conditions of employment should be included in the contracts?

I was not aware what the hon. Member meant by it. It is a very general term. In our legislation we provide for conditions of a specific kind but it would take me too long in answer to this Question to outline the position.

Land Transfer Regulations

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has any statement to make regarding the issue of regulations controlling the transfer of land in Palestine?

Yes, Sir. The High Commissioner for Palestine has been authorised to issue regulations controlling the transfer of land from Arabs to non-Arabs in certain areas. These regulations are being published in the "Palestine Gazette" this afternoon, and will be deemed to have come into force on 18th May, 1939, when the last Statement of Policy was issued. As, for reasons connected with the international situation, the Council of the League of Nations has not yet been able to discuss the last report of the Permanent Mandates Commission, His Majesty's Government have furnished the Council with a copy of the regulations, accompanied by explanatory memoranda, in case any of its members should wish to ask that the Council should be convened to discuss this matter. The letter to the Secretary-General of the League, with copies of the regulations and explanatory memoranda, are being laid before the House in the form of a White Paper, copies of which will be in the Vote Office at 4 o'clock.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that the action of the Government, in making themselves the judge in their own case, in taking action contrary to the Permanent Mandates Commission's decision, and in disregarding the Council of the League of Nations, will cause very wide mistrust of the Government, and a very wide feeling that, instead of acting up to their obligations under the Mandate, they are flouting the authority of the League and international law?

We are not disregarding the Council of the League of Nations. We recognise fully the position which the League Council occupies in relation to the administration of the Mandate for Palestine, and it is for that very reason that, as I have already announced, we have communicated to-day a copy of these regulations to the Council, and have indicated that we are fully prepared to attend a meeting of the Council, to discuss the matter, if the Council so desires.

Why is action taken now, and the League Council presented with a fait accompli? Why have the regulations not been held up until it can be determined by the League of Nations whether they are in accord with the Mandate or not?

Two courses were open to His Majesty's Government. The first would have been to publish these regulations in draft and to suspend their coming into operation for an indefinite period, until the Council had had time to consider them. If I may be very frank with the House, for many reasons the Government would have preferred to follow that course; but we are faced with a delicate situation in Palestine, and there were certain practical objections to that course, which made it extremely undesirable to follow it. The second alternative was to publish these regulations and let them come into operation at once, but to inform the League Council of them immediately, and, as I say, to express our readiness, if the Council so desired, to attend a meeting to discuss them; and if there were such a meeting, and if the Council expressed any view upon them, we should be bound to give most serious attention to that view, whatever it was. As between those two alternatives, we have adopted the one which we thought right in all the circumstances, which is certainly not one which ignores the Council in any way.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that misgivings on this subject are not confined to one side of the House? If he is anxious about the creation of a delicate situation, does he not think that he is going to create an even more delicate situation by his action now, and a yet more delicate situation if the League should afterwards decide that his action is not in accord with the terms of the Mandate?

I fully recognise, and the Government do, that this is a matter upon which all parties in the House are divided; and the Government do not in any way underestimate the very sincere feeling, held in all parts of the House, on both sides of this very difficult question. I think the House will recognise that whatever course we might follow would be attended by certain disadvantages. We have had to weigh up those disadvantages, one against the other, and we have taken the line which we think is the least disadvantageous, and which does recognise all our obligations to the League Council and other bodies concerned.

Seeing that it is nearly 10 months since the White Paper was published, and that since then the only impartial authority to which it has been referred has expressed the opinion that it is contrary to any reasonable interpretation of the Mandate, would it not have been better, rather than to have faced the League with a fait accompli, as the Government are now doing, to have postponed for one month, or perhaps two months, the bringing of these land regulations into operation, so that the League Council could have considered them without being faced by this action on the part of the Government?

We took those considerations into account, and I have told the House very frankly that, for many reasons, we should have preferred to follow that course; but in our judgment, and in view of the situation in Palestine, we felt that, in the present circumstances, the course that we have adopted was the wiser and better one.

Why has the right hon. Gentleman chosen this particular moment, after six months of war, and six months of peace in Palestine, for the first time for the last six years, when all sections of the community are working loyally with the Government in that country, to introduce a measure which will exacerbate Jewish opinion, not only in Palestine, but throughout the whole world?

I think the whole House recognises the way in which both communities in Palestine have co-operated with the Government, and with each other, in these six months of war, and the whole House would wish to pay a tribute to the people in Palestine for the way in which they have assisted us during these six months. If I may answer my hon. and gallant Friend in one sentence, I would say that it is because the failure to introduce measures of control of land transference in Palestine any longer might have prejudiced that peace, that we have decided upon this course.

In view of the gravity of the action taken by the Government, and owing to the entirely unsatisfactory explanation by the Secretary of State, I beg to give notice that we shall put a Motion on the subject on the Paper.

Transport

Railway Wagons

40.

asked the Minister of Transport what steps are being taken by him to increase the production of wagons; and whether the wagon-building industry is being used to its full capacity at present?

This matter is constantly under consideration by my Department in conjunction with that of my right hon. Friend the Minister of Supply. The production of railway wagons has to be viewed in relation to other demands upon materials and the productive capacity of the country, but I understand that at present the wagon-building industry is fully employed.

If I submit to the right hon. and gallant Gentleman evidence that there are complaints in Doncaster that the wagons are not being employed, will he look into the matter?

Probably the hon. Gentleman is talking about wagon repairing, which is slightly different, but I shall be glad to look into any specific complaints.

Workers' Travelling Facilities, Fife

43.

asked the Minister of Transport what representations have been made to his Department concerning the inadequate supply of omnibuses for the conveyance of workers to and from naval establishments in Fife; and, as considerable loss and inconvenience are being caused, will he take the matter up with the appropriate authorities?

Consultations between the authorities in question and the operators of public service vehicles have been taking place and are still proceeding, and a good deal has already been done to meet the demand for additional services.

The Regional Transport Commissioner is actively concerning himself in this matter, and I hope that a satisfactory solution of the remaining difficulties may soon be found. If the hon. Member has any particular case in mind, and will send me details, I will see that it is brought to the Regional Transport Commissioner's notice.

Will the right hon. and gallant Gentleman look into this matter, which has been the subject of public comment for months past, and hurry up the negotiations which are going on and so prevent this serious loss of work in Government establishments?

There are particular difficulties in the situation. The bus companies are not always told when people are to work overtime, and new men come into the widely scattered villages; while an occasional exodus of workers coincides with men coming on duty. The matter is being handled expeditiously on the spot.

Road Materials (Tenders)

44.

asked the Minister of Transport whether it is his custom, when considering tenders for road materials, to have regard not only to the tendered prices but to the efficiency and the durability of materials and their suitability for the purpose in view; and does he also have regard to the technical qualifications and financial standing of the contractors, as is the practice of the Ministry of Health?

Air-Raid Precautions (School Grants)

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider the advisability of appointing a Select Committee to inquire into and report on the under standings reached and the undertakings given, in the negotiations between local authorities and the Home Office with regard to the payment of grants in respect of air-raid precautions work for schools; by what authority and to what extent these have been varied; and to report on the position generally?

48.

asked the Prime Minister whether his attention has been drawn to a resolution passed by the Doncaster Education Committee on 19th February last asking for a Parliamentary Committee to be set up to examine certain relations entered into between the Home Department and local authorities concerning air-raid precautions; and whether he will move to appoint such a committee?

No, Sir. I see no reason to set up a Select Committee such as is suggested by the hon. Members. The position in this matter has been clearly stated by my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary in reply to Questions which have been addressed to him.

Is the Prime Minister aware that there is a good deal of feeling on this subject throughout the country, among local authorities, and could the right hon. Gentleman do something to make them feel that they have been justly treated?

I do not think that there is any foundation for the suggestion in the hon. Member's question.

Is not the right hon. Gentleman aware that local authorities swear and declare that the Government have broken the agreement of 1937?

Perhaps the hon. Member is not aware that the Government swear and declare the opposite.

If the right hon. Gentleman is not prepared to facilitate the arrangement, could he spend a little time in seeing a deputation?

If the right hon. Gentleman receives representations of the kind indicated in the Question, will he look a little further into the matter, because of the growing dissatisfaction everywhere?

Representations have not been made to me; but they have probably been made to the Home Secretary.

Supreme War Council

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether he considers it necessary for all our representatives to meetings of the Allied Supreme War Council, at Paris or elsewhere abroad, to cross the Channel in the same vessel at the same time; and will he, in the national interest, henceforth so arrange that when making a sea journey to attend such meetings the principal officers of State shall do so in different vessels?

My hon. Friend can rest assured that the considerations which he has in mind are not overlooked.

Armed Forces (Serving Members Of Parliament

47.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will publish a complete list of Members of Parliament serving with any of His Majesty's Forces, showing in each case the rank and the nature of the duties performed?

I would remind my hon. Friend that this information has recently been given in answer to Parliamentary Questions. I am sending him copies of the replies. As regards the last part of the Question, it would not be desirable to give precise details as to the nature of the duties performed.

Would it be possible to investigate the numbers of combatant and non-combatant officers?

Has the attention of my right hon. Friend been called to the disabilities under which many constituents are suffering through the absence of their Members of Parliament?

Food Supplies

Army And Air Force Camps (Waste Prevention)

49.

asked the Minister of Food whether he will assist the military authorities in their endeavour to discover the reasons for the waste of food in military camps?

58.

asked the Minister of Food whether he will make investigations, taking power, if necessary, to discover whether wastage of food of any description in all military and Air Force establishments is caused by the food being of inferior quality, badly cooked and/or badly served; and then advise whether more supervisory help given to messing officers would remedy these defects?

I have been in consultation with my right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for War and for Air, who are fully alive to the necessity for preventing waste of food and are closely watching the matter. I am assured that care is being taken to ensure that a high standard of cooking and meals is maintained and that there is no ground for supposing that food of inferior quality is being issued.

Would my right hon. Friend consider what we did in the last war to prevent this position arising? We had a very good system.

Dog Food

50.

asked the Minister of Food whether, when meat is rationed and all slaughtering is carried out in Government slaughter-houses, the trimmings from joints will be issued to butchers to be passed on by them to their customers as food for dogs?

Very little trimming of carcases takes place at the selected slaughter-houses, but certain by-products not suitable for human consumption, which are mainly used in the production of livestock feeding-stuffs, including dog foods, are available to manufacturers. In addition, supplies of offals unsuitable for human consumption are obtainable by butchers from the wholesale distribution depots.

Does my right hon. Friend realise that these offals are very difficult to obtain in country districts? What arrangement does he propose for feeding pet dogs, or is he really condemning them to death?

Milk

51.

:asked the Minister of Food whether he proposes to announce the Government's price policy for milk for next summer and winter in the near future, in order that farmers may make stocking plans?

I am at the present time engaged in discussions with representatives of producers and distributors in Great Britain. As soon as possible an announcement of price policy will be made. The period to be covered is one of the questions now under consideration.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind the increased cost of feeding-stuffs?

52.

asked the Minister of Food what steps are being taken by the Government to build up adequate storage during the summer months to ensure that farmers have the necessary supply of oilcakes in order that milk production may be maintained next winter?

I appreciate the importance of accumulating reserves of all suitable foodstuffs, and this will be done, so far as the shipping position permits.

53.

asked the Minister of Food whether he can give any assurance that conditions such as those which led to a serious shortage of milk, involving the temporary abandonment of the supply of milk in schools at Market Harborough, will not recur?

I am informed that the weather conditions at the end of last month were responsible for a temporary cessation of the delivery of milk to schools in Market Harborough. I understand that the schools in question are now obtaining their normal supplies of milk.

Cattle Grading

54.

asked the Minister of Food whether, in view of the altered circumstances, he will now consider revising the control of livestock prices by increasing the general grading for cows by at least 2s. 6d., and by introducing an intermediate class for calves at 9d. per lb.?

80.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware that there is dissatisfaction with the method of grading and paying for fat cows and calves; and whether he will consider the setting up of fresh grades affording better remuneration for these classes of animals?

I have received representations from the Farmers' Unions on the lines suggested by the hon. Members which are at present under consideration.

69.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware of the widespread complaints about the grading of cattle at the various collecting centres; and what steps have been taken to remedy these grievances?

I am not aware of any widespread complaints about the grading of cattle at the various collecting centres. A relatively small number of complaints have been received from individual farmers. As regards the last part of the Question, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Ayr and Bute (Mr. Sloan) on 15th February.

Is the Minister aware that if he visited one of these collecting centres he would find that the farmrs—not a few, but practically the whole of them—are disgruntled at the treatment which they are getting?

No, I cannot accept that. The conditions under which the grading is being carried out are the same as those in peace-time. That is not to say that everyone is satisfied; at the same time we do take steps as we did in peace-time to ensure that there is uniformity and on the whole the farmer recognises as he did in peace-time that the system is as good as it can be.

Is the Minister not aware that a great deal of trouble arises from the fact that the farmer does not know in what grade his cattle has been placed until it is too late?

I would like to say that if that is a specific cause of complaint, I will gladly look into it and see whether notification of the grade can be expedited. There may be points of detail like that in which we can improve the system but I cannot accept the suggestion that it is generally causing complaint.

Can the Minister say whether the actual returns of the slaughter-houses show that grading is in fact accurate?

We have made some tests in connection with that matter, and the tests which I have seen show that they are extremely accurate.

Sheep Plucks

55.

asked the Minister of Food why nearly 400 sheep plucks were wasted by being sent to the Inverness municipal destructor; whether he is aware that prior to the establishment of the control price of 3s. these plucks could be sold locally at prices which the people could afford to pay; and whether he will therefore reduce the control price?

I have looked into the incident referred to and I have ascertained that, in the first fortnight of control 325 sheep plucks were overlooked at the Inverness slaughterhouse and in consequence were condemned by the local inspector. This happened, not, as suggested by the hon. Member, because the price of these plucks were too high, but because of a regrettable oversight on the part of an employé of the Wholesale Meat Supply Association, who admit liability for the loss incurred. I am glad to say that there has been no recurrence of the incident, and I am assured by the local officers that none is likely in the future.

Is the Minister aware that it is alleged that last week 380 plucks were destroyed and that, with the Saturday's killing, these were put into bags and sent over 100 miles to Aberdeen; and does he not think that if there had been a reasonable price they could have been purchased locally?

Apart from the incident mentioned in my answer, I am told that there is nothing of the kind. I am also told that the trouble was not that of price but was due to an oversight on the part of the firm.

Sausages

62.

asked the Minister of Food whether he has now further considered the question of the admitted variable and reduced meat content of sausages since the introduction of meat and livestock control; when his Department is likely to arrive at a decision respecting controlling the price and the meat content of sausages; and whether, in view of the adverse dietetic and financial effect on working-class consumers, he will consider applying the same principle respecting the composition and standard of value of sausages and similar foodstuffs as is now applied to preserved and other foodstuffs?

The question of the meat content of sausages is still under consideration, and a decision respecting their price and meat content will be announced in the near future. With regard to the last part of the Question, I should explain that no action taken by my Department in this matter will in any way affect the requirements of the Food and Drugs Act, 1938.

Is the Minister aware that however humorous the subject may seem, numbers of working-class people do not find it humorous when they attempt to buy sausages and pay merely for bread? In view of this deception, which works adversely towards the working class, will he expedite a decision in this matter?

The position at present is that the peace-time protection of the Food and Drugs Act provides for any question of adulteration and so on, and we are seeing whether we can provide further protection in the manner that I have suggested.

Can the Minister say when a food controller of a local authority has power to prosecute?

Animal Feeding-Stuffs

64.

asked the Minister of Food whether, in connection with the supply of feeding-stuffs to grain merchants and corn dealers throughout the country districts, he is aware that these dealers are still unable to supply their customers with even 30 per cent. of their normal requirements; and whether he will make some statement to clarify the whole position?

I cannot accept the general statement contained in the first part of the Question, so far as the country as a whole is concerned. If my hon. Friend has the county of Worcester in mind, I would refer him to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Brecon and Radnor (Mr. Jackson) on 21st February, which applies to that county also.

Was not my right hon. Friend quite recently Minister of Agriculture, and should he not therefore know something about the feeding-stuffs position? He cannot annihilate the truth by trying to snub me.

77.

asked the Minister of Food whether he intends to take any further steps to ensure a fairer distribution of livestock feeding-stuffs?

57.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware of the acute shortage of cattle foods in Wales; that farmers are not receiving nearly the 66⅔ per cent. basis promised by the Ministry of Food; and will he make added provision for Welsh farmers, in view of the fact that in past years very little food was produced by themselves for their own use?

Efforts are continually being made to secure an equitable distribution of feeding-stuffs, having regard to the Government's policy of giving preference to certain classes of livestock and certain groups of producers. Returns are now being received from the distributing dealers in feeding-stuffs giving particulars of their pre-war trade, and these will be used for the purpose in question. With regard to the position in Wales, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave on 21st February to the hon. Member for Brecon and Radnor (Mr. Jackson) and the hon. and gallant Member for Tiverton (Lieut.-Colonel Acland-Troyte).

Seeing that war has been likely since Munich, whose fault is it that there was no storage of feeding-stuffs? Might I have an answer?

I would refer the Noble Lady to the statement made on this matter on 25th January, in which she will see all the circumstances set out.

Was the Noble Lady aware that war was likely after Munich, at the time of Munich?

Workers In Heavy Industries

65.

asked the Minister of Food whether he will consider making arrangements for extra food rations for persons engaged in heavy physical work like miners and tinplate workers?

I would refer to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Pontypool (Mr. Jenkins) on 24th January.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider increased butter rations for those who are engaged in physical work?

I think that the reply which I gave to the hon. Member deals with the general position, and it would be difficult to modify it in detail.

Will the right hon. Gentleman keep this matter under constant consideration?

Bacon Imports

66.

asked the Minister of Food why, at the end of January, an embargo with retrospective effect was placed on the import of bacon from Latvia, Lithuania, and Esthonia, as this is contrary to the terms of trade treaties in force with those countries; and whether, before imposing this embargo, he consulted with the Ministry of Economic Warfare and the Foreign Office?

An Order prohibiting the import of bacon, ham and lard from all countries, except under licence, was made on 20th January by the Board of Trade. As one of a number of measures taken to adjust the bacon supply position at that date representatives of the countries referred to by the hon. Member were informed that it was not intended for the time being to issue licences to import. As regards the last part of the Question, my Department is in constant touch with other Government Departments, including the Ministry of Economic Warfare and the Foreign Office, on questions affecting the supply of foodstuffs from overseas.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that bacon from these countries will almost certainly go to Germany if we do not carry out our side of the agreement?

Bread

67.

asked the Minister of Food whether he will cause tests to be made in various districts as to the palatability of bread provided for the military and air forces, and for the Women's Auxiliary Force, in order to find out whether the waste of bread is due to unpalatability, and, if so, the reasons?

I am assured that there is constant inspection of all bread provided by the Service bakeries and by contractors, and that there is no reason to believe that the bread is unpalatable or that there is any general waste of bread.

Would the Minister consider the use of tin boxes for keeping bread in when it is delivered to these different units? There is a good deal of bread wasted because of the bad conditions in which it is kept.

I will bring that suggestion to the attention of my right hon. Friend.

Potato Processing Factories

68.

asked the Minister of Food whether he can now state when it is proposed to commence the erection of potato processing factories; whether the cost of such factories will be met out of the accumulated levies on the producers; and whether they will be operated as a public corporation, or handed over to be completely run by private enterprise?

Negotiations for the erection of new factories are still proceeding, but it is hoped that the work of erection will commence in the near future. It is proposed that the factories shall operate under private ownership. Pending completion of the negotiations, I am not in a position to make any statement as to the cost of their erection or as to the nature or extent of the Government assistance that may be necessary.

Will any of the existing milling interests be interested in these potato plants?

When private enterprises erect these factories will they be guaranteed a price which will produce a reasonable profit?

All the financial implications involved are at present under discussion and pending the completion of these negotiations I would not like to give a statement on that point.

If it is the intention of the Government to allow private enterprise to erect these factories and to guarantee a reasonable profit why did not the Government do so at first?

Sugar Allowance (Schools)

70.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is satisfied that the sugar allowance for school meals is adequate, seeing that milk puddings and fruit dishes form such an important part of the menus?

I have no reason to think that the sugar allowance for school meals is inadequate. The allowance is, in any case, additional to the domestic ration.

Is it not the fact that allowances to cafés are additional to the usual allowances?

If there is a special case for the community having a little more sugar than the normal allowance should not an extra allowance be given to these children who have their meals at elementary schools?

Is there any possibility of an increase of this absurdly low sugar ration in the near future, especially in view of medical evidence of its insufficiency for these young children?

Maximum Prices

71

asked the Minister of Food whether he will consider publishing, for the convenience and guidance of the public, a complete weekly list of maximum prices which govern controlled foods?

I appreciate the desirability of securing adequate publicity for the prices prescribed in the Ministry's Orders, especially when changes occur, and have the matter under consideration. A complete list of the maximum prices would inevitably be long and detailed, and for this reason I do not think my hon. Friend's suggestion is practicable. A list of maximum retail prices is available to the public at each food office throughout the country, and in the case of a number of foodstuffs notices of the retail prices are required to be displayed in the shops.

Is the Minister aware that during the last war a very valuable journal called the "National Food Journal" was issued, and will he consider such an issue at this time?

Pigs

73.

asked the Minister of Food on what day the present price of pigs was fixed; whether this was on the same day as the new order fixing the price of feeding-stuffs; and, since the price of feeding-stuffs showed a very heavy percentage rise, he will so adjust the price of pigs as to allow for the rise which was permitted in the price of feeding-stuffs?

The present prices of pigs came into force on 15th January last; those of feeding-stuffs on 8th January. The former were fixed so as to reflect the increases in the prices of feeding-stuffs which have occurred since the outbreak of war, including those which took effect on 8th January.

Does my right hon. Friend realise the one essential and vital fact that the cost of production is higher than the selling price? What steps does he propose to take to adjust this matter?

Imported Meat (Inspection)

75.

asked the Minister of Food whether carcases of cattle, sheep, and pigs imported for human food are examined for their edibility in the country of origin or in this country; and whether he is satisfied that the inspection is such as will secure that only so much meat is retailed here as is fit for human consumption?

All imported meat from Australia, New Zealand, and South America is closely inspected by qualified inspectors at the time of slaughter. Every carcase bears a certificate that it has been passed for export, and is not admissible into the United Kingdom unless it is accompanied by certificates issued in accordance with arrangements recognised by the Ministry of Health. On arrival in this country, imported meat is subject at the port of entry to inspection by officers of the port health authorities, and again, when it is offered for retail sale, by the health officers of the local authorities. I am satisfied that the arrangements are adequate to ensure that the meat retailed is fit for human consumption.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that meat which has been sent to Devonshire, for instance, has been condemned by the medical officer of health, and that that is having a very bad effect on the confidence that is felt in the Ministry of Food?

It is the case that meat is inspected before being sold to the retailer, and, even in peace-time, certain condemnations take place. If my right hon. Friend will give particulars about the meat that was sent to Devonshire, I will have the matter looked into.

Poultry Feeding-Stuffs

76.

asked the Minister of Food why there was a total absence of purchasable feeding-stuffs for poultry in the Dewsbury area during the week ended 24th February; and when supplies will be available?

My information is that the Dewsbury area is receiving a fair share of the available supply of feeding-stuffs, and I have no evidence to support the suggestion in the Question. Perhaps the hon. Member will let me have particulars of the cases he has in mind.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that, although my Question refers only to last week, I am now informed that for eight weeks there has been no supply of these feeding-stuffs in Dewsbury? What is the remedy?

I made inquiries into this matter as recently as yesterday, and I was informed that the position there has improved.

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Archibald Vivian Hill, Esquire, O.B.E., F.R.S., Sc.D., for the University of Cambridge.

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Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir W. J. (Armagh)George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey)Morgan, R. H. (Worcester, Stourbridge)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J.Gibson, Sir C. G. (Pudsey and Otley)Morris-Jones, Sir Henry
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Campbell, Sir E. T.Hepworth, J.Reed, Sir H. S. (Aylesbury)
Carver, Major W. H.Hill, Dr. A. V. (Cambridge U.)Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead)
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.)Hoare, Rt. Hon. Sir S.Reith, Rt. Hon. Sir J. C. W.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n)Holdsworth, H.Rickards, G. W. (Skipton)
Channon, H.Holmes, J. S.Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.)
Chapman, A. (Rutherglen)Horabin, T. L.Robertson, D.
Chorlton, A. E. L.Horsbrugh, FlorenceRobinson, J. R. (Blackpool)
Christie, J. A.Howitt, Dr. A. B.Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
Clarry, Sir ReginaldHudson, Rt. Hon. R. S. (Southport)Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R.
Cobb, Captain E. C. (Preston)Hume, Sir G. H.Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A.
Colfox, Major Sir W. P.Jarvis, Sir J. J.Russell, Sir Alexander
Colman, N. C. D.Jennings, R.Salt, E. W.
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S)Joel, D. J. B.Salter, Sir J. Arthur (Oxford U.)
Courthope, Col. Rt. Hon. Sir G. L.Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose)Samuel, M. R. A.
Craven-Ellis, W.Kerr, H. W. (Oldham)Sandeman, Sir N. S.
Croft, Brig.-Gen. Sir H. PageKerr, Sir John Graham (Sco'sh Univs.)Schuster, Sir G. E.
Crooke, Sir J, SmedleyKeyes, Admiral of the Fleet Sir R.Scott, Lord William
Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C.Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F.Selley, H. R.
Cross, R. H.Lamb, Sir J. Q.Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree)
Cruddas, Col. B.Lambert, Rt. Hon. G.Shaw, Captain W. T. (Forfar)
Culverwell, C. T.Leech, Sir J. W.Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Davidson, ViscountessLees-Jones, J.Shute, Colonel Sir J. J.
Davies, Major Sir G. F. (Yeovil)Leigh, Sir J.Simmonds, O. E.
Davison, Sir W. H.Leighton, Major B. E. P.Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's)
De la Bère, R.Levy, T.Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U. B'lf'st)
Denman, Hon. R. D.Lewis, O.Smithers, Sir W.
Donville, AlfredLiddall, W. S.Somervell, Rt. Hon. Sir Donald
Doland, G. F.Lipson, D. L.Somerville, Sir A. A. (Windsor)
Drewe, C.Llewellin, Colonel J. J.Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J.
Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side)Lloyd, G. W.Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)
Duncan, J. A. L. (Kensington, N.)Locker-Lampson, Comdr. O. S.Storey, S.
Dunglass, LordLoftus, P. C.Strauss, H. G. (Norwich)
Eckersley, P. T.Mabane, W. (Huddersfield)Stuart, Rt. Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E.MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G.Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Ellis, Sir G.McCorquodale, M. S.Tasker, Sir R. I.
Elliston, Capt. G. S.MacDonald, Rt. Hon. M. (Ross)Thomas, J. P. L.
Emery, J. F.MacDonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness)Train, Sir J.
Emrys-Evans, P. V.McKie, J. H.Tree, A. R. L. F.
Erskine-Hill, A. G.Magnay, T.Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L.
Everard, Sir William LindsayMander, G. le M.Turton, R. H.
Fildes, Sir H.Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.Wakefield, W. W.
Findlay, Sir E.Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J.Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Foot, D. M.Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham)Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hall)
Fox, Sir G. W. G.Mills, Sir F. (Leyton, E.)Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend)

Business Of The House

Motion made, and Question put,

"That the Proceedings on the Old Age and Widows' Pensions Bill be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[ The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 216; Noes, 118.

Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.Wickham, Lt.-Col. E. T. R.Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Warrendar, Sir V.Williams, C. (Torquay)
Webbs, Sir W. HaroldWilliams, Sir H. G. (Croydon, S.)TELLERS FOR THE AYES —
Wells, Sir SydneyWomersley, Sir W. J.Mr. Munro and Major Sir James
White, H. GrahamWright, Wing-Commander J. A. C.Edmondson.

NOES.

Adams, D. (Consett)Henderson, A. (Kingswinford)Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.)Henderson, J. (Ardwick)Price, M. P.
Adamson, W. M.Henderson, T. (Tradeston)Quibell, D. J. K.
Ammon, C. G.Hills, A. (Pontefract)Ridley, G.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven)Hollins, A. (Hanley)Riley, B.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R.Hollins, J. H. (Silvertown)Ritson, J.
Banfield, J. W.Jackson, W. F.Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Barnes, A. J.Jenkins, A. (Pontypool)Sexton, T. M.
Barr, J.Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath)Shinwell, E.
Batey, J.Jones, A. C. (Shipley)Silkin, L.
Beaumont, H. (Batley)Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T.Smith, E. (Stoke)
Bevan, A.Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G.Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Buchanan, G.Lathan, G.Smith, T. (Normanton)
Burke, W. A.Lawson, J. J.Sorensen, R. W.
Chater, D.Leach, W.Stephen, C.
Cluse, W. S.Leonard, W.Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R.Leslie, J. R.Stokes, R. R.
Cooks, F. S.Lunn, W.Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Collindridge, F.Macdonald, G. (Ince)Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Cove, W. G.McEntee, V. La T.Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Daggar, G.McGhee, H. G.Thorne, W.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill)MacLaren, A.Thurtle, E.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton)Maclean, N.Tinker, J. J.
Dairies, S. O. (Merthyr)Marshall, F.Tomlinson, G.
Dobbie, W.Martin, J. H.Viant, S. P.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley)Mathers, G.Walkden, A. G.
Ede, J. C.Maxton, J.Watkins, F. C.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.)Milner, Major J.Watson, W. McL.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty)Montague, F.Welsh, J. C.
Edwards, N. (Caerphilly)Morgan, J. (York, W.R., Doncaster)Wilkinson, Ellen
Gardner, B. W.Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.)Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Gibson, R. (Greenock)Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Green, W. H. (Deptford)Mort, D. L.Wilmot, John
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A.Muff, G.Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Griffiths, J. (Llanelly)Naylor, T. E.Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Groves, T. E.Noel-Baker, P. J.Woodburn, A.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)Paling, W.Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Hall, W. G. (Colne Valley)Parker, J.Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Hardie, AgnesParkinson, J. A.
Hayday, A.Pearson, A.TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Charleton.