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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 388: debated on Tuesday 13 April 1943

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United States Forces, Southwest Pacific (Aid)

2.

asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether he can make a statement on the reciprocal arrangements made between the United States of America, His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and the Governments of Australia and New Zealand for the supply of food, fuel and war material to the United States forces operating in the South-west Pacific?

The arrangements governing the provision of reciprocal aid to the Armed Forces of the United States by the Governments of the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand are contained in notes exchanged between Mr. Cordell Hull and the Commonwealth and New Zealand Ministers in Washington respectively. The arrangements adopted follow with small exceptions the provisions of the corresponding exchange of notes between the United Kingdom and United States which was published last autumn as Command Paper No. 6389. I am arranging for copies of the exchanges of notes to be placed in the Library of the House.

Would my right hon. Friend say whether the contributions made by the Governments of New Zea- land and Australia are very substantial and that the Lend-Lease arrangements are in our favour?

Newfoundland (Constitution)

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs what representations he has received from Newfoundland asking for the restoration of self-government in that country; and what answer has been given?

The Governor of Newfoundland has reported by telegraph that he is forwarding to me a resolution by the Newfoundland Board of Trade, which is the equivalent of a chamber of commerce, petitioning His Majesty the King to appoint a Royal Commission which would advise upon constitutional changes in Newfoundland. I have not yet received the resolution.

Does not the Minister think that the time is now more than overdue for the restoration of self-government to this the oldest of His Majesty's Dominions?

I took occasion to visit Newfoundland recently and to inform myself of the views of the population, and I am sidering the whole matter carefully.

Is not the present administration functioning entirely satisfactorily?

Utility Clothing

5.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his attention has been drawn to the speech of the Director-General of Civil Clothing at Manchester on 15th February; and whether it is the intention of the Government to continue the issue of utility clothing or to the control of clothing in any form as a permanent part of our national life?

Yes, Sir. I read this interesting speech after it was delivered by the Director-General of Civilian Clothing at the opening of the Cotton and Rayon Utility Fabric Exhibition at Manchester on 15th February. No decision has yet been reached as to the future of the utility clothing scheme after the war; but on the general question of the continuance of controls in the post-war period, I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the statements made by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer and myself in the Debate on Economic Policy on 2nd and 3rd February last.

Surely it is not right that the Director-General should, off his own bat, alarm people that such controls are to continue indefinitely?

The Director-General, far from alarming people, asked manufacturers to consider whether, from their point of view, it was desirable that the utility cloth and clothing schemes should be continued, perhaps in a modified form, after the war. He did that with my complete approval. It is the policy of the Government to consult all the interests concerned as to their views before we reach decisions.

Surely the primary interest is not that of the Board of Trade or traders but that of the people who buy the stuff?

Children's Clothing Coupons

6.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that many children are now absenting themselves from school owing to being ill-shod and ill-clothed due to the fact that parents are taking children's coupons for their own use; and whether he will take steps to ensure that traders only remove coupons from children's books for the purchase of articles used by children?

No, Sir. I have no evidence that the concession, whereby families may pool their clothing coupons, is being abused to the disadvantage of the children. On the contrary, my information is that most parents willingly give up coupons for the benefit of their children.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that for the greater part of the population, particularly among the working class, the reverse is taking place and that women are sacrificing their coupons?

Will the Minister consider increasing the proportion of women's coupons as compared with men's, in view of the greater need of women for clothing?

British Army

Girls (Medical Examination)

8.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is satisfied with the medical examination given to young girls when they are called to the Forces and whether any attention is paid to information supplied by the family doctor when there has been a long illness of the recruit prior to the call up; and whether he will have an inquiry into the circumstances of the death of Private J. Baldwin, Army Pay Corps, W/163813, and the cause of her death within a short period of her being passed for service in spite of the note from the family doctor which drew attention to her bad state of health?

The answer to the first two parts of the Question is "Yes, Sir." The particular case to which my hon. Friend refers has been investigated. I understand that the medical certificate submitted by Private Baldwin's family practitioner was considered by the medical board. As a result of the examination she was considered to have a second class constitution, and she was graded accordingly. After she had been in the A.T.S. for two months she came under medical observation from time to time, and at the end of September she was admitted to hospital for investigation. An exhaustive examination then showed that she was suffering from cancer of the lung. I understand that this disease may be insidious in its early stages and in a young person may develop very quickly. The disability referred to in the medical certificate submitted by Private Baldwin's family practitioner was unconnected with the cause of her death.

Is it not about time that we had a medical board to examine the medical boards?

The hon. Member had better address that question to the Minister of Labour, because he runs the medical boards.

Overseas Personnel (Leave)

9.

asked the Secretary of State for War what period of service overseas entitles a member of His Majesty's Forces to a period of leave or home service; and will he give consideration to the case presented to him by the hon. Member for Rotherham for leave for a member of His Majesty's Forces whose term of service overseas approaches five years, details of which have been forwarded to the Minister?

An officer or soldier serving overseas has no entitlement to be brought home. There is a considerable number of men who have been abroad for six years or longer. In so far as there is shipping available and the military situation permits, they are being transferred to the Home establishment, priority being given to those who have served abroad for the longest period. It may later be possible to reduce the qualifying period, but I regret that I can hold out no early hope of being able to do so. The case referred to by my hon. Friend has been sympathetically considered. There seem to be no compassionate grounds of an exceptional nature in this case which would justify the man being brought home specially, and I regret therefore that he cannot be recommended for a transfer to this country.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the Air Force and the Navy get men home on compassionate grounds after a far shorter period of service, and will he take steps to get similar treatment for all three Services serving in the Middle East?

Certainly I will take steps to get a shorter period as soon as shipping is available, but similar treatment can only be obtained at the present time by lengthening the period of the other two Services.

Training (Agricultural Land)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can make any statement about the proposal to expropriate a large agricultural area, the particulars of which have been communicated to him, for training purposes?

The advanced training of large formations in realistic conditions can no longer be carried out successfully in the existing training areas, and it has become necessary to make available an additional area of considerable size. Many possible areas were considered in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture, and every endeavour was made to avoid good agricultural land. The area must however have certain characteristics if it is to be of real value for military training, and the Government have decided that the area referred to by my hon. Friend which is in the East Riding of Yorkshire is the only suitable one from the military point of view. I much regret the inevitable interference with agriculture in the district, and I sympathize with the farmers whose crops and property will suffer damage. Special claims offices are being set up in the area to deal with this. Moreover every effort consistent with military needs will be made to safeguard the production of food as far as possible, and any question of expropriation—that is, requisition—has been deferred until after this year's harvest.

Is not this land absolutely essential for the training of troops, and was it not asked for as long ago as last September?

That is so, and the fact that it has taken a considerable time to arrive at a conclusion is a measure of the precautions we have taken to make certain that there is no alternative place.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give us an assurance that he, in conjunction with the Minister of Agriculture, is giving careful consideration to all the alternative sites?

That has been done in every case, and in this instance we have taken months considering every possible alternative site.

Venereal Diseases

13.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that Service men and women receiving treatment for venereal diseases, in Service hospitals, are made to pay hospital charges, whereas the Ministry of Health insist on free treatment for civilians; and whether he will consider removing this discrimination?

If a soldier needs hospital treatment for sickness due to his own fault, he is required to make a contribution of 1s. 6d. a day towards the cost of his treatment. As at present advised I am not convinced that the change suggested by my hon. Friend is desirable.

Is my right hon. Friend aware of the dissatisfaction caused by this rule and that certainly the rule does not discourage the spread of the disease?

The second part of the question is an assertion which I am not prepared to accept. I am keeping in touch with other quarters where the opposite rule is in force, and I shall benefit from their experience if my opinion is wrong and that of the hon. Member is right.

Is it not a fact that as such men also lose their proficiency pay it discourages them from notifying the disease?

Proficiency pay is paid to secure that the soldier shall be proficient, and if in any way he makes himself less proficient, he will have to suffer for his own action.

Does not this encourage the men to conceal the disease instead of going for treatment?

24.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will make inquiries as to the adequacy of the instructions being given to men in the Army on the subject of venereal disease; whether he is aware that there is still a general lack of knowledge on this matter in the Forces; whether any additional action was taken following upon the adoption of the Defence Regulation; and whether he will consider the desirability of showing the films dealing with this subject and issuing further literature by the British Council for Social Hygiene to the troops?

All officers in medical charge of units have been instructed to give periodical lectures to troops on the subject of venereal disease. Education of any kind is a slow process, but I am satisfied with the progress being made. Notice Board Information No. 28 explained the purpose of Defence Regulation 33B and the action soldiers should take as a result of it. The possibility of issuing films and literature on this subject has not been overlooked, but it is not thought that any at present available would prove effective.

Home Guard

14.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware of the feeling of grievance still existent in Home Guard units at the unnecessary and expensive journeys made in the carrying out of musketry courses; that, on a recent Sunday, approximately 120 men from a Winchmore Hill company travelled to Rainham, with an absence from home of 12 hours, and were unable to fire owing to insufficient ammunition; and whether he will prevent such waste of time in future?

Inquiries have been made, and I think my hon. Friend is probably referring to 147 members of the Home Guard from Winchmore Hill who travelled to Rainham on Sunday, 28th March. One hundred and forty-one of them fired on the average over 17 rounds each. When they were not firing they were given other instruction. Six non-commissioned officers were throughout employed as firing point instructors and did not fire themselves. On the general question I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave him on 15th December last.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there are several Home Guard units which have had no musketry exercises at all?

I am not aware of that. I am aware that there has been a shortage of practice ammunition in the past, but I hope that shortage is now being repaired.

Women Medical Officers

15.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether female medical officers are appointed to units of the field Forces serving at home; and what is the position in relation to the static units?

The answer to the first part of the Question is "No, Sir." Women medical officers are usually posted to units or localities where A.T.S. are largely employed.

16.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether soldiers who object to a complete medical examination by a female medical officer are entitled to ask for a male medical officer to carry out the examination if one be available?

The answer is "No, Sir," but if a male medical officer is, in fact, available, he will normally carry out the inspection.

Would it be in order for a male medical officer to order a man or an N.C.O. to undergo complete medical inspection by a female medical officer if he is there himself to do it?

If the hon. Member is referring to the legal position, the answer is undoubtedly "Yes," but I am now considering whether any limitation of the inspections to be conducted by women medical officers is required.

Then I beg to give notice that I shall bring this matter before the House on the Adjournment.

Iron And Steel Material (Scrap)

17.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to report the result of the scrutiny made during recent weeks by the Army authorities into the amount of iron and steel material utilised formerly for anti-tank devices in defence schemes now obsolete and therefore available for scrap?

The scrutiny referred to has now been practically completed, and it is already clear that a considerable quantity of this material can be made available for other war purposes.

Could my right hon. Friend give any indication of the quantity of metal secured as a result of this scrutiny and say when the scrutiny will be completed?

I have not any figures as to the weight of scrap secured. The scrutiny has already been practically completed.

Anti-Mine Devices

18.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether minesweeping tanks have been used in the recent operations in Tunisia?

Devices of many kinds were used to deal with mines, but I am sure my hon. Friend will not wish me to go into details.

I do not want the right hon. Gentleman to give any information which would be against the public interest, but I should like to ask whether he does not consider that the use of this weapon would have the effect of saving a considerable number of lives, and is this matter well in mind, particularly at the time when we are to open a second front?

I think the hon. Member can assume that we shall think of that just as quickly as he.

Tanks

19.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the A. 27 tank has yet passed all its acceptance tests and whether he is yet able to say when it will be available in quantities for use in the field?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer given to the hon. Member for Caerphilly (Mr. Ness Edwards) on 26th January.

Is not this the tank to which my right hon. Friend was referring in September last? Surely he ought to be able to give an answer by now.

An answer was given, if the hon. Member will do me the courtesy of reading it.

Everything is unsatisfactory to the hon. Member. Everybody is out of step but he.

20.

asked the Secretary of State for War the date on which a tank mounting a six-pounder gun first went into action in Libya?

The first opportunity to use these tanks in battle in any numbers was at El Alamein.

21.

asked the Secretary of State for War the date on which his Department was first informed of the intention of the Germans to produce the Tiger tank, carrying an 88-millimetre gun of effective range of over 4,500 yards?

It is not in the public interest to disclose the date on which information about the Tiger tank was first received.

In view of the fact that experts from the Ministry of Production went to the desert to study these tanks on the spot, is the right hon. Gentleman able to give us an assurance that when we invade Europe we shall have tanks as good as this or better?

23.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the report of the tests made at Farnborough in the autumn of 1941 on the A.22 tank can be made available to hon. Members?

26 and 27.

asked the Secretary of State for War (1) whether the report on the performance of the A.22 tanks at El Alamein sent in by the officer commanding the armoured fighting vehicles can be made available to Members;

(2) whether the report made to his Department by General Richardson on armoured fighting vehicles on the occasion of his visit to Egypt can be made available to Members of this House?

38.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that the A.22 tank was designed with five gears to give a speed of 20 miles per hour; how many gears it now has and which of its former gears have been cut out; and what its present speed is?

I am aware that the Churchill was designed with a gearbox of five forward gears and one reverse. This gearbox was fitted to approximately the first hundred vehicles but was found unsatisfactory and was replaced by a gearbox with four forward gears and one reverse. The latter gearbox gives the same speeds as the original one. It is not in the public interest to give detailed information of the speed of tanks.

Is it not a fact that the latest tests of this tank show that it is quite in accordance with the expectations of the Army?

The latest and best test of all, in battle, shows that the tank is giving very good service.

Is it not a fact that men have lost their lives endeavouring to obtain information with regard to German tanks, and, therefore, is it advisable that we should give the Germans information about our tanks?

39.

asked the Secretary of State for War in what respects the A.22 tank is a development from the A.20; what was its originally designed weight; and what is its present weight?

All tanks embody components from earlier types. The A.22, while being similar to the A.20 in outward appearance, differs considerably in overall dimensions, type of hull construction and in the great majority of components. The present weight is not significantly different from the originally designed weight.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman agree that the A. 22 was not produced in six months from the drawing board?

The hon. Gentleman has developed that case at great length, and it has been discussed at great length. I am not going to be drawn into agreeing with him on any subject under the sun, if I can help it.

Has it not been shown that the hon. Gentleman who put the Question has been right more often than he has been wrong?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the difficult position in which he will put himself, because I am practically invariably right?

Bands

22.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that military bands accompanying troops have a much more stimulating effect on the civilian community than the same bands playing in a fixed location without troops; and will he direct his policy regarding this matter accordingly?

I am fully aware of the good effect of military bands, but, as I explained to my hon. and gallant Friend last week, the present needs of training do not as a rule enable bands to accompany units.

Voluntary Aid Detachments (Committee's Report)

25.

asked the Secretary of State for War when he intends to present the Report of the Committee on Voluntary Aid Detachments?

I have received the Report and am having it examined. In accordance with the promise I made to the House, I will consider, as soon as the examination is complete, in what way it can best be brought before the House before action is taken.

Educational Establishments, Nigeria (Requisitioning)

33.

asked the Secretary of State for War, how many educational establishments in Nigeria have been taken over by the military authorities; and whether, in view of the changed military situation in West Africa, he proposes to derequisition any of these?

I am informed that eight educational establishments in Nigeria have been taken over by the military authorities, but it is hoped that some of them may be released in the course of the next few months.

Sentenced Overseas Personnel

34 and 35.

asked the Secretary of State for War (1) how many officers and soldiers sentenced to terms of imprisonment or penal servitude for offences involving desertion or cowardice in the face of the enemy have been repatriated to the United Kingdom to serve the remainder of then-sentence there;

(2) how many officers and soldiers sentenced to terms of imprisonment or penal servitude in the Middle East have been repatriated to the United Kingdom to serve the remainder of their sentence there?

Thirteen officers sentenced to imprisonment or penal servitude have been sent back to this country from the Middle East to serve the rest of their sentences here. Three of these were sentenced for offences involving cowardice or desertion. I regret that the number of other ranks is not readily available.

In view of the difficulty of shipping, which the right hon. Gentleman mentioned earlier, will he reconsider his policy of sending these men who have not been successful in action back to this country? Ought not those who have strong compassionate grounds for getting leave and who have been abroad for a long time to come back before these men?

I will certainly consider that point, but I can see a good many powerful arguments against it, and I do not believe that the numbers involved would make any material contribution to this terribly difficult problem of leave.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that troops fighting in the desert think a very great deal about this and are worried about it?

Prisoners Of War, Tunisia

40.

asked the Secretary of State for War what proportion of the 8,000 and 6,000 prisoners captured in the recent successful operations in Tunisia were German?

It has not so far been possible to examine more than a proportion of the prisoners taken. Most of those so far examined are Italians.

Operations, Burma

41.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is in a position to make a statement with regard to the fighting in Burma; and whether he is aware of the concern felt in India over developments there?

I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the statements made from time to time in the Press. At the moment I have nothing to add.

Has the right hon. Gentleman seen the statement in the Press to the effect that the Japanese claim to have annihilated a British brigade and captured a British general? Is there any truth in that statement?

I believe that the statement about the annihilation of the brigade is untrue.

Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that it was because there have been disturbing statements that I put my Question and that I wanted to obtain from him an authoritative answer in order to dispel some of the anxiety which is felt?

"Union Jack" Newspaper, North Africa

42.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether it is his intention to commence an official newspaper or periodical for British troops in North Africa?

A newspaper with the title of "Union Jack" has been produced and circulated in North Africa since 22nd March.

Is it still the policy of the right hon. Gentleman's Department to continue to give support to the "United Services Review"?

That is not the Question on the Paper. The hon. Gentleman had better put the question down.

United States Forces (Training, Agricultural Land)

37.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will consult with the United States authorities as to instructing officers in charge of units of the American Army that, before entering upon cultivated land for exercises, due notice must be given to the occupier and the local war agricultural executive committee be consulted; and whether he will consider, with the Minister of Agriculture, setting aside definite areas for exercises in which damage to cultivated land would be concentrated rather than continue to permit large areas being partly damaged and food production hindered?

Before any troops hold full-scale exercises the local representatives of the Ministry of Agriculture are informed, and the necessary arrangements are made to pass on the information to the farmers. Ranges and other special training areas are being provided for American troops as for British troops. Manoeuvres involving several formations require very large areas, and it is possible that the total damage done to the production of food might be greater if the exercises were concentrated in a few areas than if they were held as at present, sometimes in one part of the country and sometimes in another.

Naafi Canteens (Soft Drinks)

43.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that at Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes canteens mineral drinks are so often unobtainable that Service men and women wanting cooling drinks at dances, etc., are driven to drink beer and that many girls are thus acquiring a taste for it; and will he therefore take steps to secure a greater supply of temperance drinks at such canteens?

All N.A.A.F.I. canteens are instructed to have available ample supplies of soft drinks, and I am not aware of the shortage referred to by my hon. Friend. The manufacture of aerated mineral waters has been cut down all over the country in order to save labour and transport, but the supply of non-alcoholic cordials to canteens has been increased.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that my information comes from an entirely unbiased source according to which canteens are pushing the sale of beer because of the higher profit? Ought that not really to be overcome in the interests of avoiding imported materials, as well as in the interests of temperance?

Profits from N.A.A.F.I. canteens go back to the troops, so that that motive cannot be a very strong one. In the second place, the hon. Lady has sent me a letter containing complaints, but as the place of the complaints is unidentifiable, I can only say that unless she sends me more information I cannot investigate the matter.

Is it not a fact that from to-day the merits of water may gain greater recognition?

Will the right hon. Gentleman correct the wrong impression that there is more profit on beer when sold by N.A.A.F.I. than on mineral waters, because the reverse is the case? Minerals are excessive both in price and in profit.

When I supply the names will the right hon. Gentleman investigate the matter?

Certainly, I will be glad to investigate a matter on which I am given specific details.

Rivers Almond And Avon (Pollution)

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that pollution of the rivers Almond and Avon is still taking place and is alleged to be caused by industrial concerns in Lanarkshire and Midlothian; and whether he proposes to take steps to prevent these occurrences or to provide for the detection and punishment of those responsible?

No recent representations on the pollution of the Rivers Almond and Avon have been received. I am, however, having inquiry made, and I shall communicate later with the hon. Member.

British Empire (Economic Policy)

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider the formation of a Council of the British Empire, composed of representatives of this country, of the Dominions, of India, and of the Colonial Empire, which shall have, as a first step, under its own direction the economic and commercial policy of the British Empire as a whole, so as to ensure that after the war, employment, industry, and commerce may be increased and developed?

It is, of course, the established policy to maintain the closest co-operation and contact with the Governments of the Empire on all economic questions of common concern. Having regard, however, to the responsibility which must rest with the respective Governments and Parliaments, a centralized executive body such as that suggested would not be practicable.

U-Boat Warfare

46.

asked the Prime Minister whether he has considered the statement by the United States Secretary to the Navy declaring that shipping losses in the month of March exceeded those sustained in February; that the position was serious; and whether he has any information to give the House on this important subject?

My attention has been drawn to this statement. I agree with Colonel Knox that the results of U-boat warfare are serious, as they always must be. His statement, however, refers to a limited period following one in which sinkings were comparatively small. Viewing the battle against the U-boats as a whole, I can repeat my previous assurance that we are more than holding our own.

I am very glad to be reassured on this subject, as I have no doubt other hon. Members are also; but is not the Prime Minister aware that there is considerable disquiet about the matter among seamen who are engaged in this warfare and among shipowners? Is it not possible to give the country and the House some information on the subject?

I do not want to give exact information, which would be of great advantage to the enemy; but a great deal of information of a general character has been given upon this subject. I do not believe that the disquiet is more serious than it naturally would be at a time when this form of warfare is being levied upon us, and certainly, if it were, there is no ground for it.

I appreciate all that, but I would ask whether, in addition to the statement made by the American Secretary to the Navy on this subject, the attention of the Prime Minister has been directed to the statement made by the Minister of Aircraft Production recently, that we have not mastered the U-boat? It is statements of that kind which create disquiet. Would it not be better to fortify people with some information of a reassuring character?

The actual significance of the word "mastered" is, of course, open to discussion. I should prefer my phrase "more than holding our own."

The right hon. Gentleman indicated upon a previous occasion that he would give consideration to the desirability of having a Secret Session on the matter. May I ask whether he has come to any decision?

Government-Acquired Industries (Restoration)

47.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will give an undertaking that no shares or industries taken over by the Government during the war will be handed back to former owners without first having consultation with the workers in those industries and, if necessary, a vote of the workers affected?

Is the Prime Minister aware that while he is using up his genius and undoubted energy in winning the war, the big industrialists and big financiers are taking care that they win the peace? What is the Prime Minister going to do to prevent terrible disaster such as happened after the last war?

A firm reliance on representative government and Parliamentary institutions, based on the operation of practically universal suffrage.

Is the Prime Minister aware that the workers in these industries would object very strongly to the share sharks being let loose in their now comparatively peaceful pool?

Beveridge Report (War Cabinet Committee)

48.

asked the Prime Minister the name of the chairman of the Committee which is to assist the Government to investigate the Beveridge Report proposals, in view of the fact that this information has been published on some previous occasions in connection with War Cabinet Committees?

As has been stated before in this House, it is contrary to the usual practice to publish details of the composition and Chairmanship of War Cabinet Committees. I regret that I am not prepared to make an exception in the case of the Committee to which my hon. Friend refers.

Is it the intention of the Committee and the Government to see that the people of this country are gradually emancipated as a result of the Beveridge Report? Can my right hon. Friend give us an assurance on that?

I have nothing to add at this moment to the various statements, some of them very lengthy, which have been made by representatives of His Majesty's Government on this subject.

Mass Unemployment (Prevention)

40.

asked the Prime Minister whether the Government will offer Sir William Beveridge any assistance he may require to help him in his inquiry into the maintenance of employment or the avoidance of mass unemployment?

I have no information of this inquiry beyond what has appeared in the Press, and I assume it is intended to be independent of official participation.

Does the Prime Minister not think it advisable to assist Sir William Beveridge in prosecuting his inquiries into this most important subject? What action are the Government going to take to find a solution which, of course, must be reached in conjunction with the other proposals of the Beveridge Report?

Would it not be possible to send Sir William Beveridge the documents prepared by Sir Oswald Mosley, Mr. George Lansbury and Mr. J. H. Thomas?

Dr Evatt's Visit (War Cabinet Meetings)

51.

asked the Prime Minister whether, during the coming visit of Dr. Evatt to this country, he will be invited to attend the meetings of the War Cabinet?

Yes, Sir. At the request of the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia, Dr. Evatt will attend meetings of the War Cabinet as accredited representative of the Commonwealth Government during his stay in this country.

Tuberculosis (Agricultural Research Grants)

52.

asked the Lord President of the Council whether he is aware that of the grants for research paid by the Agricultural Research Council in the year ended 31st March, 1942, totalling about £30,000., the smallest item was for tuberculosis, amounting to £2 5s. 10d. only; and whether, as the milk produced by many farms is prolific in this disease, he will ensure that greater research into this question is carried out?

The sum of £2 5s. 10d. referred to by the hon. Member represents only an item of direct expenditure by the Agricultural Research Council for the purchase of a small piece of apparatus. Grants amounting to a total sum of £1,390 were made by the Agricultural Research Council for work on tuberculosis at the Institute of Animal Pathology, Cambridge, and a much larger sum was expended during the year in question on such research both at the Veterinary Laboratory of the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, and at other agricultural research institutes, receiving block maintenance grants borne on the Votes of the Agricultural Departments. I can assure the hon. Member the research on tuberculosis in cattle is being pursued most actively at a number of centres in Great Britain under the co-ordination of the Agricultural Research Council, whose estimated expenditure in the current financial year for this purpose is £6,375. This sum also is additional to general maintenance grants.

In view of the increase of this disease in the country, is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that this expenditure on research into this disease is sufficient?

Yes, I believe so, and I can assure the hon. Gentleman that no financial obstacle exists in the way of the fullest possible investigation.

Post-War Planning

53.

asked the Minister without Portfolio whether he will give a list of the Departments concerned in post-war planning, the committees appointed by the Departments on planning and the subjects being considered, and any such committees directly appointed by his Department?

Almost all Departments are concerned in post-war planning. As regards giving a list of committees and subjects under consideration, I would refer my hon. Friend to my reply of 20th January last to my hon. Friend the Member for Romford (Mr. Parker) as far as my own Department is concerned, and I imagine that the situation is very similar in other Departments.

If my right hon. and learned Friend cannot provide the information asked for, that is to say, a list of committees, can he not indicate the subjects that are being investigated, so that the House should be informed about the tasks that are now being undertaken by my right hon. Friend?

I pointed out in the answer to which I referred, of 20th January, that many of these committees appointed to advise Ministers are of quite an informal nature. Many complete their task in two or three days, and I think it would be unwise and disadvantageous to publish a list of these informal, committees appointed for the purpose of informing the Minister's mind.

If we cannot have a list of these committees which report in the course of three days, but upon which no information is given to the House, can we have a list of the subjects which are being examined?

I indicated a list of the subjects being examined when I made my speech to the House.

May I ask my right hon. and learned Friend to take notice that there is considerable disturbance in the country generally that neither the House nor the country is getting any concrete suggestion or anything concrete to discuss arising from their consideration?

Is the Minister aware that he has no right to withhold this information from the House, and that as public expenditure is involved, we are entitled to know the names of the members of these committees and the subjects they are investigating?

I do not think there is any public expenditure involved. They consist entirely of civil servants——

They, of course, receive their salaries, but whether I ask them to concentrate on some particular subject or some other, it does not involve any special charge

On a point of Order. Is the Minister entitled to withhold from the House information of this kind? Surely we are entitled to learn how our money is being spent and on what purpose it is being spent?

Is the Minister prepared to make a further statement to the House on the work of these committees if a Debate can be arranged?

National Finance

Lend-Lease (Reciprocal Aid)

54.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether any statement has been compiled, as at the latest convenient date, of the operations of what has become known as Lend-Lease in reverse; whether returns will be prepared for presentation to Parliament of the volume and value of supplies of all kinds related to war operations provided by His Majesty's Government for the naval, Army and air organisation of the United States of America in the European theatre of war; and whether the expenditure incurred is included in the day to day estimates of the cost of the war?

I referred yesterday in my Budget speech to the magnitude of the supplies provided by His Majesty's Government to the Forces of the U.S.A. by way of reciprocal aid, and I explained the reasons for which detailed accounting is not possible or desirable. Accordingly the answer to the first two parts of the Question is in the negative. The answer to the last part is in the affirmative.

Will the Chancellor take measures to make this statement made in the Budget speech known throughout the United States, in view of the misunderstanding there is that this country is not making its full reciprocal contribution to the Lend-Lease Agreement?

Is the Chancellor aware that the United States Government have made a very wide and detailed statement of the amount of Lend-Lease by America to the United Nations, so why does he consider it not desirable to make it clear to the world what we are doing?

Public Relations Officers

55.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, having regard to the fact that the Press relations officers are partly controlled by the Treasury and partly by the Ministry of Information., he will confer with the Minister of Information with a view to seeing what reduction in personnel is possible, having regard to the recent Report which has been made by the Select Committee on National Expenditure regarding Press relations officers?

The need for economy in man-power is fully realised and is kept under constant review, and I see no reason at the present time for a general inquiry, such as is suggested by my hon. Friend. The Report of the Select Committee to which my hon. Friend refers was concerned with the particular question of the Public Relations Branches of the Service Departments. Its recommendations are under consideration by the Departments concerned.

Can my right hon. Friend tell me how long that consideration will take? Is it not another case of gradual consideration which leads nowhere?

Is it not undesirable that we should continue to spend large sums of public money on what are merely publicity offices for politicians, because these men are that?

Post-War Monetary Policy

56.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will endeavour to arrange for the issue, as a White Paper, of the proposals of the Treasury of the United States of America for international exchange regulation after the war or, alternatively, for a copy to be placed in the Library in order that hon. Members may have an opportunity of comparing these proposals with those set out in Command Paper 6437?

58.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will give an assurance that the Report of the Treasury on Post-War International Monetary Policy is not being put forward as a rival to a scheme with similar objectives published by the Treasury of the United States of America; and whether he will make arrangements for the American proposal to be made available to hon. Members?

Of course I give the assurance for which my hon. Friend the Member for South-East St. Pancras (Sir A. Beit) asks. As the White Paper states, it is hoped that these proposals will afford a basis for discussion, together with similar plans, having similar objectives, which may be prepared by experts of other Governments. The proposal which has been produced by the United States Treasury is one of the plans with similar objectives to which this statement refers. In regard to the last part of the Question, through the courtesy of the United States Government I am arranging for copies of the plan to be made available to hon. Members very shortly.

Will my right hon. Friend make representations to the effect that no debate be held on this subject until there has been ample opportunity to study the American plan in greater detail than has yet been possible?

Will my right hon. Friend consider the possibility of having his own White Paper rewritten, as it is so ambiguous?

I shall be delighted. I would have been ashamed to have written such a document as this White Paper.

Is my hon. Friend not aware that it was never intended that the White Paper should be anything but ambiguous?

Merchant Seamen's Danger Money (Income Tax)

60.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will exempt from Income Tax the £10 per month danger money paid to merchant seamen?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Reply I gave to the hon. and gallant Member for Ayr Burghs (Sir T. Moore) on 9th February last.

Could the right hon. Gentleman at least consider treating this tax in full as a post-war credit? Would that not be a solid tribute to these men who are being specially honoured this week?

The difficulty is this. As I said in my reply to my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Ayr Burghs, I am sure my hon. Friend will appreciate the difficulty, at a time when many classes of the community are subject to many and varied risks, of attempting to graduate taxation according to the danger attendant upon the earning of income.

Would it not be equally reasonable to exempt from Income Tax the family allowances of officers and men who are at present fighting with the Eighth Army?

Post-War University Education

59.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in the course of the present review of the educational systems of England, Wales and Scotland, it is intended to inquire into the position of the universities and the educational services which they render; and what was the date and character of the last inquiry into university education?

In planning the development of education after the war the question of access to the universities for students likely to profit by a university course is receiving attention. The universities will be closely associated with the plans for the further education of demobilised persons announced by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour and National Service on 25th March. It is not, however, proposed that there should be any formal inquiry, such as a Royal Commission, into the universities. The last Royal Commission on university affairs was that of 1935 on the University of Durham.

Has my right hon. Friend considered that it would be quite impossible to consider the training of teachers, which is a vital part of educational policy, without examining the position in the universities? Is it possible to consider education generally without examining the university side of it? In view of the unsatisfactory nature of my right hon. Friend's reply, I beg to give notice that I will raise the matter on the Adjournment.

Fuel And Power

Coal Allocation, South West England

63.

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power whether he is aware that weather statistics show that the South-West of England needs as much coal as the North-West; and whether, in view of this fact, he will be prepared to amend Statutory Rule and Order, No. 450, so that the South-West may have a fairer allocation of coal?

I cannot accept my hon. Friend's statement. The South Western Region as a whole is appreciably warmer than the North Western, and the humidity is the same. Moreover, the restrictions on coal supplies to controlled premises are based on a number of considerations, of which climate is only one, and I regret that I could not amend the Direction in the manner suggested.

Is it not a fact that the Western coast of Wales, owing to the influence of the Gulf Stream, is far warmer than many parts of Devonshire, and certainly drier? Should not the coal allocation, therefore, be fairly equalised?

No, Sir; the South West, to which my hon. Friend's Question refers, is considerably warmer than the North West. There are other considerations, of course, besides climate. The average consumption of coal in the North West is 80 per cent. greater than in the South West, and many other considerations have to be taken into account.

Coal Output

64.

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the effect on the aggregate coal output for 1942 of the operations of the Essential Work Order; and whether he can give an estimate in tons by way of reduction or increase?

It is not possible to measure in tonnage the effect on production of the operation of the Essential Work (Coalmining Industry) Order, but I am satisfied that it has been of assistance to the production of coal by helping to maintain the numbers employed in the industry.

Pulmonary Diseases (Coalminers)

65.

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power when it is proposed to publish the Report on the investigations into the environmental factors related to the problem of chronic pulmonary diseases among coalminers?

Food Supplies

Fish Distribution

67.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food why a surplus of fish was not allowed to be sent away from Hull to other towns where there was a shortage?

If, as I presume, my hon. Friend is referring to the relatively heavier landings at Hull during a few days last week, it is not correct to describe these landings as creating a surplus in the Hull zone. The rest of the Question, therefore, does not arise.

Fish Sales (Prosecutions, London)

68.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he can give any information in connection with the charge made against Nathan Ruda and seven other people at the Thames Police Court of selling fish at prices above the maximum; and whether any further steps are being taken to prevent this kind of offence?

Nathan Ruda and eight other persons were prosecuted by my Department at the Thames Police Court for selling fish above the maximum price. The case against one defendant was withdrawn, and, as the remaining eight defendants elected to go for trial they were committed to the London Sessions. As the case is sub judice, my hon. Friend will appreciate that it would not be proper for me to make any further statement at this stage.

Post-War Export Trade (South America)

70.

asked the Secretary to the Overseas Trade Department what steps he is taking to secure post-war markets for our export trade in South American countries, especially in Brazil?

The objective to which my hon. Friend refers is receiving full consideration as part of the comprehensive study which, as has been already stated in this House, is being made by the Committee on Post-War Export Trade with the assistance of my Department and its overseas officers.

In view of the vast undeveloped resources of Brazil and the fact, as I know from general information, that they are desirous of trading with this country when the war is over, would my hon. Friend consider setting up, or be ready to set up when the war is over, some export organisation in Brazil to act in co-operation and liaison with the manufacturers of this country?

In view of the fact that Lend-Lease operations are now reciprocal, will the hon. Member use his influence to persuade our American friends to let up on their efforts to establish monopoly control in South America?

The whole question of trade with South America between the United States and ourselves is now being conducted with a view to the most economical use of the resources of both countries the United Kingdom and the United States for the prosecution of the war.

Railway Staffs (Salaries)

71.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of War Transport whether he will consider granting the 1,768 persons of the railway staff earning between £500 and £1,000 a year some lump sum to compensate them for the lack of increased salaries during the war, at the cessation of hostilities, having regard to the fact that the Government, under agreement with the railways, were making substantially larger sums than were contemplated at the time the agreement was entered into?

The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of War Transport
(Mr. Noel-Baker)

I regret that the suggestion put forward by the hon. Member is not one which my Noble Friend feels able to adopt.

Are we to understand that these 1,768 are to endure a permanent injustice because my Noble Friend does not like my suggestion? Is it not possible to have justice in some form for these people, considering all the hardships they have to suffer?

If the hon. Member will examine the matter, he will see that the reasons which led my Noble Friend and the Chancellor of the Exchequer to make their original decision will also apply to his present proposals.

Will my hon. Friend tell us the reasons? There seems to be no reason for doing an injustice of this kind.

If the hon. Member will examine the original answer, he will see what the reasons are.

Lighthouse Keepers (Clothing Supply)

72.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of War Transport whether, in cases where lighthouse keepers have had to forfeit their annual clothing supply for 1942, it is proposed to pay them any money compensation for the loss of this part of their regular emoluments?

This question is now being discussed by the Elder Brethren of Trinity House and the trade unions concerned, and I hope that an agreed settlement will be reached.

Does the hon. Gentleman realise that when the police are deprived of their annual supply of clothing they get compensation; and will he bear that precedent in mind?

Yes, Sir; I will bear all precedents in mind, but I hope that an agreement will soon be reached.

Police

Uniforms (Coupons)

74.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why policemen have to give up 24 coupons each year for uniform whether such uniform is actually purchased or not?

Policemen are required to surrender 18 coupons each year. This surrender represents the saving on civilian clothing, and is not, therefore, related to the actual issues of uniform during the year.

Is the hon. Lady aware that this causes very great dissatisfaction in the Services? How would she like it if she had to give up 18 or 24 coupons for a dress she did not purchase, and was consequently deprived of the opportunity of purchasing stockings which she wanted to purchase?