House Of Commons
Wednesday, 14th July, 1943
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]
Oral Answers To Questions
English Language (Simplified Spelling)
1.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has considered the communications from Allied Governments in London on the subject of simplified writing and spelling as a means of extending proficiency on the part of allied nationals who desire to learn and to use the English language for fuller co-operation in war and peace; whether he has consulted the President of the Board of Education on the matter; and how far he is in agreement with the proposal?
I have made careful inquiries, but I find that neither my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Education nor I have any record of such a communication.
Has the right hon. Gentleman received a communication asking that English should be used as an auxiliary language for international intercourse?
I cannot find the communication, but I should be heartily in sympathy with that expression of opinion.
If the right hon. Gentleman is heartily in sympathy with the use of English, would he express his sympathy with those who desire to make English a little easier for those who wish to use it as an auxiliary language?
That seems to me almost to enter into the domain of the President of the Board of Education.
As foreigners learn our language so much more easily than we seem to learn theirs, does not that suggest that the Question is based on a false assumption?
Can the right hon. Gentleman see that the Labour Party issue some of their pronouncements in simplified English?
United Nations Food Conference
2.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, at the Hot Springs Conference, the fact that Great Britain had parted with most of her foreign investments, that her purchasing power through invisible exports was disseminated, that Great Britain was far from being self-supporting in food and raw materials and that we stood alone for a year, was made plain?
These questions were not within the scope of the Food Conference, which was concerned with methods of improving nutrition and producing foodstuffs and other agricultural products adequate to world requirements.
Can the right hon. Gentleman assure the House that under the Atlantic Charter and at further meetings of the Hot Springs Conference the Government will do all in their power to see that we have a fair share in world trade after the war, which is so vital to this country and the world?
Certainly, but this Conference was not primarily concerned with that problem.
Prince Paul Of Yugoslavia
3.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs why the political prisoner Prince Paul of Yugoslavia has been allowed to leave Kenya and live in South Africa?
Prince Paul was, with the agreement of the Union Government, removed to South Africa on medical grounds. His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom and the Union Government were advised by the doctors attending him that his health would suffer serious and permanent injury if he remained in Kenya.
At whose original request did this man go from Kenya to South Africa, and if it was at the request of this man himself, since when have political prisoners, especially such traitorous ones as this, been allowed at their own request to go to another country?
I wish to protest against this abuse of Parliamentary time.
Consular Officers (Acting Allowances)
4.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether Vice-Consuls and Consuls, filling posts as Consuls and Consuls-General, respectively, receive any extra pay or allowances above the emoluments of their substantive rank; if so, what, and with effect from what date?
Yes, Sir. A consular officer acting at a post above his rank draws, for the whole period during which he is in charge, an acting allowance additional to his salary of £225 a year at a Consulate or £337 10s. at a Consulate-General, provided that he does not receive in salary and acting allowance more than the minimum salary of the rank of the post in question. These acting allowances are not, however, payable in cases where the titular officer is on leave and a member of his own staff takes charge. In addition, in all cases acting officers draw the representation allowance appropriate to the post they fill, except on rare occasions when the allowance is required by the titular officer if he is absent on public duty.
War Crimes (United Nations Commission)
5.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Allied Commission on War Crimes is now fully constituted; whether a British representative has been appointed; and what steps this Commission is taking to declare specifically the crimes committed and the names of the persons who have committed them?
As I stated in reply to my hon. Friend the Member for East Wolverhampton (Mr. Mander) on 30th June, detailed discussions with a view to the early establishment of the Commission are proceeding. Sir Cecil Hurst has agreed to serve as the British representative on the Commission.
Is there not sufficient evidence against some of the perpetrators of some of the worst crimes now, and if steps are not taken before the end of the war to declare them as criminals may not there be difficulty in securing their extradition from neutral countries?
The question of extradition is a different one from the one I am dealing with now.
Malay And Shan States (Japan And Siam)
6.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been drawn to the cession by the Prime Minister of Japan of four Malay States and two of the Shan States to Siam in gratitude for that country's aid to Japan; and whether he has any statement to make?
Yes, Sir. I need hardly say that His Majesty's Government do not recognise these transfers of territories, which form part of the British Commonwealth and Empire. Nor do they regard them as in any way permanent, since it is the fixed intention of ourselves and our Allies to drive the Japanese from these regions.
Have our Government ever recognised Mussolini's annexation of British Somaliland?
No, Sir; so far as I am aware he has not got it.
French North Africa (Press Correspondents)
7.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that all newspaper correspondents, other than war correspondents, have been instructed to leave French North Africa after one month's stay; and whether, in view of the importance of Parliament and the public having up-to-date independent news regarding political conditions and developments in that region, he will endeavour to get this decision reconsidered?
Allied Force Headquarters in North Africa agreed at the end of May to receive a number of additional Press correspondents in the North African theatre to cover political as distinct from military matters. It was stipulated at the time that this agreement was subject to certain conditions being observed by the correspondents, one of which was that they should not stay in the North African theatre for longer than a month. In regard to the second part of the Question, I fear that as long as. North Africa is an important base for military operations certain restrictions are unavoidable. I am, however, in communication with the Resident Minister at Allied Force Headquarters on the subject.
If a Question is put down in a week's time, does my right hon. Friend think he can give a favourable answer, because the gravest misgiving has been caused by this time limit, as so many people in the country are under the impression that something is happening which people want to hide?
This time limit, as the hon. Member calls it, was fixed when the correspondents went out. Everybody knew all about it. I am in communication with my right hon. Friend, but I cannot tell when I shall get a reply.
Has this been attributable in any sense to representations made by the French political authorities?
I am afraid I do not know; I should not have thought so. I think this was an arrangement made when the correspondents first went out. It might very easily, be revised.
Is it not a fact that the best accounts that we have had of the Sicilian operations have come from the German broadcasts, and cannot we be as well served?
These are not military correspondents. They are political correspondents.
Is the Foreign Secretary aware that by the time Frank Pitcairn, the "Daily Worker" representative, got there he was one day in North Africa when he was told that his month was up?
This is the first I have heard of this. I was not aware that the calendar had thus been arranged.
As political events of first-class importance are taking place in North Africa, if one or two Members wished to see the right hon. Gentleman about this matter, would he see them?
I am ready to see Members on this or any other matter at this or any other time.
Is it not necessary to separate the true from the false and the real from the unreal?
French Committee Of National Liberation
8.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether recognition of the French Committee of National Liberation by His Majesty's Government has now taken place; and whether the services of the Government are always available to the Committee for the purpose of avoiding the development of friction amongst Frenchmen allied to the United Nations and securing recognition by all our Allies of this Committee?
I would refer my hon. Friend to the Prime Minister's statements in the House of 8th June and 1st July in which he welcomed the establishment of the French Committee of National Liberation as the single and sole authority over all Frenchmen seeking to free France from the German yoke and said that our dealings, financial and otherwise, would henceforward be with this Committee as a whole. In practice, His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom are now treating with this Committee on all matters of common concern relating to French territories which acknowledge its authority and affecting French forces maintained in British territory. No decision has yet been taken as to the precise degree of formal recognition which His Majesty's Government may accord to the Committee. In regard to the second part of the Question, His Majesty's Government have consistently encouraged the union of all Frenchmen in the fight against the Axis and for the liberation of France, and their services are always available to the Committee for this purpose.
While thanking the right hon. Gentleman for that reply, may I ask whether His Majesty's Government look with sympathy and good will on this Committee, and, if so, will they speed up recognition as much as they can; and, further, have these conversations with M. Massigli on this subject been fruitful and useful?
As regards the first part of the question, I can say that certainly His Majesty's Government look with sympathy and good will on this Committee and would like to see its authority steadily grow and become stronger. As regards the conversations with M. Massigli, I have been glad to welcome this tried friend of Anglo-French understanding to this country. Our conversations have been mainly concerned up to date with French affairs in this country and certain problems in Syria.
Royal Air Force
Airman's Death, Canada
10.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether any action has been taken against the persons responsible for the death, through the effects of a toxoid inoculation, of a member of the Royal Air Force serving with a training unit in Canada?
A report on this casualty has been called for from Canada, but has not yet been received. When it comes, I will communicate with the hon. Member.
Air Raids (Anti-Aircraft Guns)
12.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he is aware that, in the recent raid on a town, of which he has been informed, anti-aircraft guns did not open fire until the raid had been in progress for some considerable time; and, in view of this, whether he will take steps to improve the lialson between Fighter Command and the anti-aircraft guns?
The guns were in action within our minutes of the beginning of the attack. The delay was due not to inadequate liaison between Fighter Command and the anti-aircraft guns but to the need for extreme care owing to the presence of our own aircraft in the area.
Is my right hon. Friend taking any steps to see that there is co-operation between the Air Ministry and the sounding of the air-raid warning?
No, Sir, I do not think that co-operation could be closer; but there is a real difficulty when hostile aircraft come over an area where our own friendly aircraft are operating, more particularly when they do so in small numbers.
Would it not be advisable to instruct our own aircraft not to come in over a city like Hull, which is constantly in danger of enemy raids, so that the guns could at once open fire on enemy aircraft?
I do not think my hon. and gallant Friend realises how large is the area to be protected and that there must be large numbers of aircraft operating up and down such an important part of the coast as the Hull area.
Officers (Promotion)
15.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether the present system of promotion of officers by commands, instead of centrally by the Air Ministry, has proved satisfactory?
The powers of commands to promote officers are limited to the grant of acting rank, up to that of wing-commander, to fill vacancies in approved establishments, in the absence or pending the posting of officers of the appropriate substantive or temporary ranks.
Does my right hon. Friend not think that this system tends to a certain rigidity and may prevent an interchange of officers between commands where it might be desirable?
No, Sir, I do not think that that is so. The system applies only to acting rank, and if there should be another officer of the appropriate rank who was qualified for that post he would be removed from another command to that post under this arrangement.
Does my right hon. Friend not consider that the present decentralisation is desirable?
Yes, Sir, decentralisation is very useful.
Balloon Command (1939–43 Star)
16.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether personnel who have served in operational squadrons of Balloon Command, continuously, since 3rd September, 1939, will receive the 1939–43 Star?
I would ask my hon. and gallant Friend to await the statement which my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister proposes to make before the Houses rises.
Would my right hon. Friend give an assurance that everybody who has had a uniform of any sort whatever will have all the decorations that are available?
The Prime Minister will deal with that point.
"Royal Air Force Journal" (Editor)
17.
asked the Secretary of State for Air by whom and on what grounds the editor of the "Royal Air Force Journal" was selected?
The editor of the "Royal Air Force Journal" was selected in October, 1942, under my authority by the appropriate branch of my Department. As for the second part of the Question, I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Everton (Mr. Kirby) on 18th November last.
In view of the fact that this publication is widely read by thousands of our young men and women in the Air Force, would it not have been possible from among the hundreds of literary gentlemen who have joined the Air Force to have selected someone who has not been convicted of publishing indecent matter?
Of course, it would have been possible to select another officer besides the one who was appointed. This one was appointed as long ago as 1942, and since his appointment the paper has prospered and given satisfaction.
Air Crews (Commissions)
18.
asked the Secretary of State for Air what proportion in each of the following categories, pilots, observers, navigators and air-bombers, hold commissioned rank?
On 31st March, 1943, the latest date for which figures are available, the percentages of commissioned personnel in the air-crew categories of the Royal Air Force were: Pilots, 56 per cent.; navigator classes (including observers), 37 per cent.; air bomber, 27 per cent.
I would ask my right hon. Friend to take into account, when he is considering a greater commissioning of N.C.Os. and air crews, the fact that if N.C.Os. are killed in action, their dependants get a lower rate of pension because they are N.C.Os.
No, Sir. The only rule which could guide me in authorising the commissioning of N.C.Os. would be the interests and efficiency of the Service.
Would the right hon. Gentleman not agree that in the case of pilots the proportion of those commissioned is altogether too low, bearing in mind that the pilots are captains of aircraft and frequently have to carry that responsibility as sergeants, which causes embarrassment?
No, Sir. There is no limit on the number of commissions which could be given to pilots or to other members of air crews.
Airwomen (Duties)
20.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he is aware that on a Royal Air Force station of which he has been informed, a corporal of the Women's Auxiliary Air Force is employed to supervise the sweeping of floors and other menial tasks performed by skilled tradesmen; and whether he will issue instructions for the practice to be discontinued?
All airwomen at the Royal Air Force station referred to are required once a fortnight to assist, under the supervision of a W.A.A.F. non-commissioned officer, in cleaning the corridors of their hostel. In addition, they are required to attend to their own rooms, but no other duties of this sort are required of them. I consider that these arrangements, which are general throughout the Service under similar circumstances, are economical in man-power and reasonable in themselves, and I see no reason why they should be discontinued.
Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that the supervision of, shall we say, a 40-year-old stockbroker by a 19-year-old woman corporal of the W.A.A.F. is something which might cause much discontent?
That is quite a different point from any which the hon. Member raised in his Question.
Is not the real test, who is the most skilled at sweeping floors?
Is not the Question based upon a very unreal view of sex relations?
Dive-Bombers
21.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether, in view of the adoption of the Mustang as a dive-bomber, and the supply of the American Vengeance dive-bomber to the Royal Air Force, which are being operated in Sicily and Burma, respectively, he has now abandoned his former hostility to this form of aircraft for its specialised purpose under proper conditions?
The inference of the hon. Member is not correct. It has always been the view of the Air Staff that effective use can be made of the dive-bomber when operated under favourable conditions.
That is rather different from the reply which the right hon. Gentleman gave on previous occasions, when he said that there were no dive-bombers.
I must ask my hon. Friend to look at my speeches before he makes an assertion of that kind. I have frequently stated that the dive-bomber is an arm of opportunity. The opportunity may be rare, but it is a good thing to have the dive-bomber to take advantage of such opportunities.
Why, if the Air Ministry have always been in favour of dive-bombers, is it only now, after four years of war, that they are coming into operation?
Aircraft Accident, Gibraltar (Inquiry)
14.
asked the Secretary of State for Air whether a Court of Inquiry is being held into the air- craft accident at Gibraltar in which the Polish Prime Minister, two hon. Member's of this House and others lost their lives?
19.
asked the Secretary of State for Air the cause of the accident which led to the death of General Sikorski and two hon. Members?
A court of inquiry is being held into this accident, and I hope to make a statement in due course.
Is it proposed that the Polish Government should be represented on that inquiry, and will the report be made public?
The answer to the second part of the Question is, "No, Sir," and to the first part, "Yes."
Is the right hon. Gentleman able to say at this stage that the accident was not caused by sabotage?
I would say nothing whatever about the causes of the accident until the report of the inquiry is received.
Messrs Short Brothers
22.
asked the Minister of Aircraft Production whether he has now had an opportunity to investigate the complaints made against the management of Short Brothers, R. and B., Limited, by the Swindon branch of the Clerical and Administrative Workers' Union, in a letter dated 3rd July, 1943; and whether he will make a statement?
The majority of the matters referred to in the Question concern terms and conditions of employment. Under an agreement between the trade union concerned and the employers' federation, of which Short Brother's is a member, such matters are settled between the particular firm and its employees, and, failing agreement, are referred to the federation and the union. It is not the policy of my Department to interfere with established industrial agreements, and accordingly the matters raised will be dealt with through the machinery provided under the agreement in question. Two other matters were raised in the letter in question, namely, the issue of a notice which appeared to conflict with the terms of the Essential Work Order and the failure to receive a reply to a letter addressed to the secretary of the company. The first of these matters, which arose out of a misunderstanding, has been adjusted, and my right hon. Friend is informed that the secretary is unable to trace the receipt of the letter in question.
Requisitioned Premises, Gravesend
23.
asked the Minister of Aircraft Production whether his attention has been called to correspondence from the borough engineer and surveyor's department of Gravesend, dating from February, 1942, concerning the condition of certain premises requisitioned by his Department; and what action is being taken?
My right hon. Friend's attention has been drawn to this correspondence. The main point now outstanding concerns the conditions at the premises regarding means of escape in case of fire. Since the premises were requisitioned under the Defence Regulations, statutory restrictions in this respect are inoperative and the matter falls to my department to deal with. It is being investigated and my right hon. Friend will see that action is taken quickly.
Can my hon. Friend explain the apparent reluctance of his Department to give adequate attention to this matter of correspondence?
I may say, on behalf of my Department, that there is no reluctance to deal with it, but as soon as the matter was brought clearly to our notice investigation started, it is continuing and will be carried out quickly.
Can my hon. Friend say whether the first time it was brought clearly to his notice was due to my putting this Question on the Order Paper?
No, Sir. There has been correspondence with the town clerk for some long period, but there were difficulties, of which I cannot very well inform the House, in the way of replying. Nevertheless, the inquiry is taking place and will be pursued.
Building Industry
Brickmaking Process
24.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works whether he has any knowledge of the process employed by the Scottish Oils, Limited, whereby the refuse of shale bings mixed with 10 per cent. of lime makes excellent bricks?
Yes, Sir. Full information of the process is available in my Department. Sand lime bricks made by this process are at present being used on building work in Scotland.
Is my hon. Friend satisfied as to the durability of these bricks, because so many other bricks in the last 20 years, when just touched by frost, have simply crumbled away?
They are sand lime bricks, and they compare very favourably with other sand lime bricks.
That is a matter of opinion.
Operatives
25.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works how many building trade operatives are now employed by firms operating Government contracts; and how many operatives are directly employed by the Ministry?
I am advised that it would not be in the public interest to give the information asked for in the first part of the Question. As regards the second part of the Question, there were 9,537 building trades operatives in the direct employment of the Ministry of Works at 1st June, 1943, of whom 6,208 were employed on the maintenance of the Government and requisitioned premises for which the Ministry of Works is responsible and 3,329 in the Special Repair Service which was created to deal with emergency air raid damage repairs.
On what ground does the Minister decline to give the information asked for in the first part of the Question?
There are other Departments concerned, and I have consulted these Departments, and they ask me not to give the figures.
New Methods (Mission To America)
26.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works whether he will obtain reports on recent developments in the United States of America in pre-fabricated houses and new methods of house building?
Yes, Sir. My Noble Friend is at present arranging to send a mission consisting of a master builder, an architect and a representative of the operatives to America in the immediate future to study new building methods. I hope to be able to announce the names next week.
Steel Houses
27.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works whether he will have a Report made on the steel houses erected after the last war to determine whether they have been satisfactory from all points of view?
The Committee, which was jointly set up by my right hon. Friends the Minister of Health, the Secretary of State for Scotland and Lord Reith, to report on methods of house construction, has fully covered the various types of steel houses erected after the last war, and its report, which I understand is now being drafted, will shortly be presented to my Noble Friend and my right hon. Friends.
Will the Report be published?
I think so.
Will this Committee be working in co-operation with the sub-committee—of which I am a member—of the Ministry of Health which is dealing with exactly the same problem?
I am amazed to find that you have not already consulted with each other.
Are we to understand that other types of building will be covered by the Report?
Yes, Sir.
Agricultural Workers' Cottages
28.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works whether he will consider employing Italian prisoners of war in the building of rural houses?
Every prisoner of war who can be spared from agricultural work and other work of vital importance at the present time is already being employed on the construction of Prisoner of War Camps and similar work. The number of craftsmen among the prisoners is small and the building of rural cottages in small numbers on a large number of isolated sites is not considered suitable work on which to employ prisoners of war.
If further large numbers of prisoners arrive in this country, will the matter be reconsidered then?
I think my hon. Friend had better put that Question down at a later stage.
Why not employ German prisoners? What is the point of taking them and not using them?
My answer was, "prisoners of war." I did not specialise.
Could not Italian prisoners who are in rural areas be employed in repairing farm buildings which are rapidly deteriorating?
30.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works whether the same facilities to obtain labour and materials for building agricultural cottages will be given to the small builders as those given to the large contractors?
Yes, Sir.
While I thank the Parliamentary Secretary for his reply, is he aware that there is a feeling among the small contractors that men would not be directed to them from the large contractors in the same way as men had been taken away from small contractors and directed to the large contractors in recent years? Is he further aware that his answer will give great satisfaction to these small contractors, who play such an important part in the life of the country?
I thank my hon. Friend for his remarks. All the work will be given W.B.A. priority, the materials will be speeded up for their use, and if there are any difficulties in regard to either one or the other, I shall only be too happy to help.
Will the Minister give every facility for the use of local material and not attempt to impose a cast-iron plan at the centre specifying all the materials to be used?
We are flexible.
Costs (Wages And Working Conditions)
29.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Works what is the estimated effect upon the cost of building, for the period between 28th March, 1943, and 2nd June, 1943, of the Orders and Regulations upon wages and working conditions?
My hon. and gallant Friend refers to the dates of 18th March and 2nd June. As I have already stated, the level of building costs is ascertained by my Ministry periodically. The figure of 80 per cent. quoted by my Noble Friend on 18th March was based on figures as ascertained in December, 1942. Special costings were made at the end of May by my Ministry for the purpose of dealing with the agricultural houses. In order to secure the necessary labour by direction the decision was made that the agricultural houses should rank as part of the Government Building Programme. This brought them within the scope of the Essential Work Order and Uniformity Agreement, which, according to my Department's costed figure, made it necessary to add to per cent. to the tender price. In addition to this there was a rise in wages and a rise in materials which added a further 3 per cent. to the cost. Restriction and zoning of transport has in this period also added to the cost of building generally.
Is this not an example that the interference of the Government with private enterprise always raises costs?
Could we not have a statement by the Department showing the rise in the cost of building owing to agreements made between the workers, on the one hand, and the Department, on the other?
In reply to the first question, I would not agree that the zoning of transport is an interference with the economic production of the country, but only in so far as it became necessary; and in reply to the second point about having a statement in regard to the agreement that has been made, I have already answered that question in reply to the hon. Member for West Willesden (Mr. Viant) quite recently.
As the Minister has not given the figures the House has asked for so often, what is the real increase that is due to this agreement? I cannot think of any answer having been given to that.
Can the Minister say whether any of the increase is due to the fact that the workers are not giving of their best to the industry?
It is extremely difficult to give a general sort of answer without implying something else. On the uniformity agreement and the cost to be applied there is no gain to the worker at all. He is sent from one part of the country to another; his travelling faze and the cost of subsistence are paid. Under the Essential Work Order he is directed to the fob and has to be held there until such time as he is relieved by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour, and that necessarily adds to the cost.
But you have no evidence that the workers are not giving of their best and are not contributing as well as any other workers?
I have given figures to show that, as far as comparison with pre-war output is concerned, output is higher than it was pre-war.
Cottages, Donibristle (Requisitioning)
31.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he has given further consideration to the requisitioning of two cottages near Donibristle; and what steps he proposes to take to see that, in view of the serious housing shortage, these cottages remain available for domestic occupation?
It has been definitely decided not to proceed with the proposed requisitioning of one of the two cottages near Donibristle, and the possibility of leaving the other cottage free for domestic occupation is still under consideration.
While thanking the Minister for his reply, may I ask him whether consideration will be favourable?
I will let the hon. Member know.
Colonial Troops (Pay, Allowances And Pensions)
32.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will give the respective rates of pay for Colonial troops and the scale of dependants' allowances and pensions for Service disability and death?
The rates of pay for Colonial troops and the scale of dependants' allowances and pensions for Service disability and death vary according to the Colony in which the troops are raised. The position is too complicated to set out within the scope of a Parliamentary answer, but I am having a memorandum on the subject prepared and will send it to my hon. Friend as soon as it is ready.
Will the Minister be good enough to circulate the document for the benefit of other Members who are interested?
I was hoping to have some talk with my hon. Friend as to the scope of the inquiry. In the present form it will entail a very great deal of labour. Perhaps when I have had a talk with him as to the actual facts he wants, we can make them available to anyone else who wants them.
Would not these figures be extremely valuable to all Members of the House and indeed might be useful to the Minister's Department?
Jamaica (Trade Unions)
33.
asked the Secretary of State far the Colonies what further progress has been made respecting trade unionism in Jamaica; what stabilised trade unions now exist and their approximate membership; how far certain trade unions overlap or are in conflict; and what is the cause of dispute and the settlement arrived at in the bakery industry?
I am in communication with the Governor regarding all these matters, and as soon as I receive his reply I will send my hon. Friend full information. For the moment I can only say that no impediment stands in the way of the formation of further trade unions, that about twenty registered unions now exist of which only a few have any substantial membership; that the most important is a union of a general character whereas the remaining unions relate to specified occupations or trades.
Would the Minister reply to the last part of my Question, which deals with the unfortunate dispute, as a result of which a certain amount of damage was done?
That is one of the matters on which I would prefer to defer a reply until I have full particulars from the Government.
Are not many of the troubles in the Island due to the activities of Bustamente and his henchmen? Will my right hon. and gallant Friend look into the activities of this man?
Sierra Leone
Income Tax (Africans)
34.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has any information respecting the incidence of Income Tax on Africans in Sierra Leone; what is the substance of the protests made against it; how far difficulties have arisen, or are likely to arise, in respect of polygamous marriages and offspring of these; and whether provision is made for reduction of Income Tax in respect of domestic obligations associated with non-monogamous households?
Under the Income Tax now being introduced in Sierra Leone, liability arises only on incomes above £150 in the case of single men without dependants and above £350 in the case of married men without children and then only at low rates until much higher incomes are reached. The great bulk of the African population is therefore exempt. Such protests as I have received represent the tax as bearing hardly on the poorer sections of the community, and appear to be based upon a complete misunderstanding of its incidence. As regards the third part of the Question, I have heard of no special difficulties either in Sierra Leone or in neighbouring territories having similar marriage customs, in which Income Tax has existed for some time past. The answer to the last part of the Question is in the negative.
As regards the last part of the Question, do I understand that the Minister has received no kind of protest from any body of persons on that particular aspect?
Workmen's Compensation
36.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether arrangements have now been made for the settlement of compensation claims of injured workmen in Government service in Sierra Leone, by the local branch of the Overseas Department instead of by the respective Government Departments in this country, whereby delays and hardship to injured applicants or their dependants ensue?
As I explained to my hon. Friend in reply to the Question he addressed to me on 17th March, this is a matter for the Service Departments concerned and not for the Colonial Office. I am not in a position, therefore, to answer Questions which should be addressed to my right hon. Friends in charge of these Departments.
Does the Minister mean that the Colonial Office can take no action in this matter, which directly affects one of the Colonies?
This is a matter for machinery within the respective Departments. The hon. Member must put his Question to those Departments.
Trinidad
Franchise Committee
35.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will make a statement regarding the findings of the Trinidad Franchise Committee; and what action it is proposed to take thereon?
I am not in a position to make a statement, as I have not yet received from the Governor the findings of the Franchise Committee.
Food Situation
39.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will make a statement regarding complaints about the prices and distribution of food in Trinidad; and whether it is intended to introduce food rationing in the Colony?
Yes, Sir, the Governor of Trinidad has kept me in touch with the difficulties as to price and distribution of food in that Colony. The Colonial Government is doing all that it can to deal with the problem, but the hon. Member will appreciate that the position is complicated by religious and racial practices affecting diet, as well as by the degree to which the economic life of the Colony has been disturbed by military developments within the Colony. I have received from the Governor of Trinidad representations submitted by certain trade unions in this matter and on the desirability of introducing a rationing system. The Governor has recommended that such a system be introduced, and at his request the possibility of obtaining an expert from this country to help in the establishment of rationing is now being explored.
As this matter is serious, will it be given the most urgent attention?
Yes, Sir, I appreciate the urgency, and I am doing all I can.
Will not this go along with the attainment of a minimum nutritional standard?
At the moment the urgent question is to see that the available food is fairly distributed.
Colonies (Air Education)
38.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps he is taking to ensure that education in the third dimension and the implications of the air age is being given to youth and their teachers in the Colonies?
My hon. Friend may be assured that the implications of the air age are being brought home to the youth of the Colonies and their teachers in all forms of visual and written propaganda. The interest of youth in flying is evident from the response of the Colonies to requests for volunteers for aircrews and ground staffs; and Air Training Corps units are already in existence in certain dependencies. I am now considering the question of the establishment of similar units in other dependencies.
Aden (Food Situation)
40.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he can provide information on the cost of living, and prices of essential foodstuffs, in Aden, over two comparable periods since 1939?
The cost-of-living index figures on 1st July, 1942 and 1943, were 129 per cent. and 254 per cent. respectively over the pre-war figure. I have no complete information of actual prices, but the Governor has reported the percentage increase in the principal foodstuffs, and these show that the rises in food prices are generally less than the rise in the general index. I am in correspondence with the Governor regarding the measures which it is practical to take to deal with the situation.
Can the Minister say whether the Government's policy of pegging down prices which obtains in this country obtains in Aden? If not, why not?
I am consulting on that very point regarding subsidisation. The hon. Gentleman will realise the great difficulty in Aden, which is a demand Colony. Prices, therefore, depend largely on the prices of the imported material.
Have wages of Government employees been raised to a corresponding degree?
Perhaps the hon. Member will put that Question on the Paper.
41.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he can make any statement concerning the Aden settlement and the apparent food shortage; and what arrangements have been made to provide adequate emergency supplies for the needs of the citizens of Aden?
I do not think that I can usefully add at present to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Plaistow (Mr. Thorne) on 1st July concerning this matter.
Are the remedies which the Gentlemen referred to at that time considered satisfactory by the Department?
My latest information was that the stock position was satisfactory.
Cyprus (Archbishopric)
42.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what information he can give the House about the present position of the Cypriot Archbishopric?
There have been no recent developments over this matter, and I do not think there is any new information which I can usefully give the House at this stage.
Could not the Minister consider the appointment of the hon. Member for Bilston (Mr. Hannah) to this office?
British Guiana (Refugees)
43.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether any recent researches have been made as to the suitability of any part of British Guiana as a permanent home for refugees from the mainland of Europe?
There have been no inquiries into this matter since the report of the Anglo-American Commission in April, 1939.
Have the Government constantly in mind the difficulties which will arise immediately after the war in connection with large numbers of homeless refugees?
My hon. Friend will recollect that when that report was made it was pointed out that the only possible place of settlement was in the interior and that a great amount of preparatory work would have to be done before there could be any settlement at all.
Electoral Reform
45.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider the advisability of moving to appoint a Parliamentary Committee of Inquiry into such measures of electoral reform as age qualification for ex-Service men and women, reduction of cost of elections, further restriction on the activities of outside agencies, variation in amount of deposit, use of conveyances for taking voters to the poll, the use of loud-speakers and the methods of voting, so as to obtain a fairer representation of political opinion in the House?
The first point raised in this Question has been carefully considered, and it has been decided not to reduce the age qualification below 21 for the next General Election in respect of Service or ex-Service men and women, since any such step would operate harshly on those other young persons who, by virtue of their essential war work, have been unable to join the Forces. Since the other points raised will be open for discussion during the opportunity to be afforded to Parliament to discuss questions of electoral reform in good time before the next General Election, I do not consider it necessary for these matters to be investigated at this time by a Parliamentary Committee of Inquiry.
Would not such a discussion by Parliament be much more profitable if there could be a preliminary inquiry such as is suggested in the Question?
Most people have been inquiring into these matters during the whole of their Parliamentary lives.
Atlantic Charter
46.
asked the Prime Minister whether, considering the fact that the Atlantic Charter has not been ratified by the American Congress and of the apprehension which exists in this and Allied countries, that some of its clauses will gravely hamper the freedom of action of the United Nations in settling terms of peace, he will start negotiations for its amendment?
No, Sir.
In view of the fact that the Atlantic Charter has not been ratified by the United States, and perhaps does not fall to be ratified, has it any binding force on the United States or Great Britain in view of the dangers to the peace treaties which may follow the war?
The so-called Atlantic Charter, indeed, the well called Atlantic Charter, was not a treaty requiring ratification or any formal endorsement of a constitutional character on the other side of the Atlantic. It was a statement of certain broad views and principles which are our common guide in our forward march.
Has not the Atlantic Charter the good will of the world?
May we take it that the Governments of the associated countries were associated with the signatories?
Naturally, I should not take the responsibility for agreeing with the head of a foreign State on a subject like this without being supported by the Cabinet.
Is not the right hon. Gentleman aware that the first two clauses of the Atlantic Charter bind the Allied Powers in a way that may be highly perilous for them when peace falls to be discussed?
We have lots of worse troubles than that ahead.
Transport Aircraft
47.
asked the Prime Minister whether he can assure the House that the General Staff are fully alive to the potentialities of large capacity transport and cargo aeroplanes for speeding up operational tempo both in the field and behind the fighting zones; and whether he will consider setting up a cooperative field organisation for the use of this new form of transportation in modern warfare?
Yes, Sir. My hon. Friend can be assured that co-operation between the Staffs and Services is such as to ensure that our resources of transport aircraft are used to the best advantage.
Post-War Surplus Materials (Disposal)
48.
asked the Prime Minister which Department is charged with the responsibility of planning the disposal of surplus material after the war?
Future policy in regard to the disposal of surplus stocks is being considered through the machinery for the study of reconstruction problems under the guidance of my right hon. and learned Friend the Minister without Portfolio. Meanwhile, the responsibility in this matter lies with the Supply Departments, the Board of Trade and the Minister of Works, according to the kind of goods or material concerned.
Labour Troubles (Lost Output)
49.
asked the Minister of Production whether taking the loss through labour troubles of one hour per worker per year, he will express this total loss in terms of battleship or aircraft construction?
Any figures which I could give my hon. Friend must be taken with the greatest reserve. They are misleading since, as he will realise, only a proportion of the total labour force is or could be employed in producing battleships or aircraft. With these reservations, however, I can say as a rough guide that the loss would be considerably under half a battleship or 200 aircraft in the 12 months.
How much additional effort would be required to make good the deficiency?
I calculate that if every worker worked for 12 seconds a day more in the next 12 months the loss would be made up.
Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that if employers ceased doing stupid things, there might be less labour trouble?
Is it not stated in a circular issued by the Ministry of Information that the time lost by the workers in the last 12 months was only half-an-hour per head?
War Production, Scotland
50 and 51.
asked the Minister of Production (1) whether he will give an assurance that his plans for the rearrangement of production so that Scottish factories, workshops and plants may be as fully utilised as possible in the future were made in consultation with the Secretary of State for Scotland;
(2) whether he is aware that large numbers of Scottish women are receiving directions to proceed to work in England; and what steps are being taken in the rearrangement of production to see that Scotland is obtaining its fair share of industry, so as to prevent the depopulation of Scotland?As the hon. Member is aware, it is sometimes necessary in the interests of vital war production to transfer mobile labour to other areas, and it is the case that limited numbers of women are being transferred from Scotland as from other areas. Nevertheless it is the policy of all Departments, both in placing new production and in rearranging production to allocate as many orders as possible to areas where labour and facilities exist. Accordingly a considerable volume of additional production has been, and is being placed in Scotland. I am in close touch with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland regarding the application of this policy to Scotland, and the Scottish Council on Industry are in close touch with the Regional organisation of my Department.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there is great discontent in Scotland at the number of Scottish women who have been taken to England, and that something ought to be done so that they might be allowed to work in their own country?
I am very sympathetic to the hon. Member's remarks. We have succeeded in the last 12 months in placing projects for new industrial buildings in Scotland in a ratio very much higher than the insured population bears to the total.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that, while progress is recognised, there is still the grievance of girls who are training in Scotland working alongside others who are provided for within reach of their own homes, while those who come from outside that particular area are sent to far districts in England?
We are doing our best to limit this evil.
Ministry Of Supply
Inspector's Retirement (Pension)
52.
asked the Minister of Supply why Mr. E. W. Russell, O.B.E., Inspector of Fuses, has been refused establishment and denied the right to a pension on retirement, in view of the fact that he has served 53 years in the Inspection Department of the Ministry of Supply, and performed his duties in an efficient and satisfactory manner throughout this period.
Mr. Russell is not, according to the normal rules, entitled to the grant of a pension, but I am taking his case up with the Treasury.
Ministry Staff (Imperial Chemical Industries Personnel)
55.
asked the Minister of Supply whether he will give the number and the names of those officials in his Department who were employed in peacetime by Imperial Chemical Industries, Limited, together with the appointments
Name | Grade | Branch Where Serving |
Allman, W | Assistant Director | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Armit, J. W. | Director-General of Explosives | — |
Ashwell, G. M. | Regional Engineer | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Bain, F. W. | Chairman | Chemical Control Board |
Bennett, H. B. | Chemist in Charge | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Black, A. D. | Managing Chemist | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Black, G. A. | Assistant Controller | Industrial Ammonia Control |
Blench, E. A. | Assistant Superintendent | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Boyes, W. H. D. | Chemist in Charge | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Burleigh, Capt. L. G. | Controller | Factory Transportation |
Butler, F. | Regional Officer | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Cathie, J. | Regional Officer | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Cole, D. W. | Regional Engineer | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Colmer, W. L. | Assistant Director | Directorate of Ordnance Factories (Explosives). |
Cook, C. B. | Supply Officer, Chemicals Division. | British Supply Mission |
Cooper, H. E. | Design Officer | Armaments Design |
Clive, H. E. | Assistant Director | British Supply Mission |
Cross, D. | Deputy Director | Directorate of Ordnance Factories (Explosives). |
Currie, A. C. | Deputy Assistant Director | Directorate of Filling Factories (Training) |
Davies, A. L. | Regional Engineer | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Davies, D. J. B. | Technical Officer | British Supply Mission |
Disney, H. V. | Assistant Director | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Eley, C. R. M. | Assistant Controller | Industrial Ammonia Control |
Ellis, W. W. | Regional Officer | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Fletcher, N. F. | Technical Adviser | Overseas |
Fort, R. | Technical Adviser | Directorate of Small Arms Ammunition |
Gibbs, J. W. | Assistant Director | British Supply Mission |
Herapath, C. A. | Regional Director | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Hinton, C. | Principal Director | Filling Factories |
Hirst, H. S. | Director | Chemical Defence |
Humble, L. G. | Technical Assistant, Grade I | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Houston, A. D. | Area Labour Manager | Labour Management |
Jones, G. G. | Chemist in Charge | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Kavanagh, T. J. | Chief Technical Assistant | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Lehman, Dr. J. | Assistant Controller | Industrial Ammonia Control |
Lineham, O. R. | Superintendent | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Malkin, A. H. | Regional Officer | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Molliett, Dr. J. L. | Senior Experimental Officer | Controller of Chemical Research |
they hold; and whether any of these officials are at present in receipt of any remuneration from Imperial Chemical Industries, Limited?
Complete information of the kind asked for in the first part of the Question is not available, as members of the staff of the Ministry of Supply are not classified by reference to their previous employers. I would, however, refer my hon. Friend to the information regarding Imperial Chemical Industries personnel which I gave in answer to the hon. Member for Maldon (Mr. Driberg) on 7th July; and I will, with permission, circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of the officers referred to in that answer. Twelve of these officers receive no remuneration from public funds.
Following is the list:
Name. | Grade. | Branch Where Serving | |
Naylor, R. A. E. | … | Efficiency Expert | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Neech, H. R. | … | Technical Consultant | Directorate of Ordnance Factories (Explosives). |
Owen, W. L. | … | Director | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Parrish, A. | … | Technical Assistant, Grade I | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Rayner, J. W. R. | … | Regional Development Officer | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Robinson, C. S. | … | Director - General of Filling Factories. | |
Robinson, K. B. | … | Regional Director | Directorate of Filling Factories |
Rogers, J. | … | Chairman of Ammunition Board. | |
Rolfe, A. C. | … | Chief Technical Assistant | Directorate of Ordnance Factories (Explosives). |
Smith, F. E. | … | Chief Engineer | Armaments Design |
Smout, A. J. G. | … | Director-General of Small Arms Ammunition Production. | |
Spalding, H. B. | … | Investigation Officer | Directorate of Filling Factories (Development). |
Speyer, F. C. O. | … | Controller | Industrial Ammonia Control |
Stairmand, G. J. | … | Senior Technical Assistant | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Stickland, O. W. | … | Technical Director | British Supply Mission |
Strouts, C. R. N. | … | Chemist in Charge | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Tetlow, W. E. | … | Chemist | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Thomas, G. W. | … | Deputy Controller | Plastics Control |
Turner, C. J. | … | Chief Technical Assistant | Directorate of Filling Factories (Engineering). |
Wallace, T. | … | Superintendent | Royal Ordnance Factory |
White, G. W. | … | Director | British Supply Mission |
Wilkins, Dr. F. J. | … | Regional Development Officer | Royal Ordnance Factory |
Young, W. | … | Investigation Officer | Directorate of Filling Factories (Training) |
Discarded And Rejected Service Boots
53 and 54.
asked the Minister of Supply, (I) what percentage of discarded or rejected Army boots are repaired and reissued to the Forces for further service; and what percentage are sold for civilian purposes;
(2) the total number of pairs of discarded Service boots sold by the Ministry during the past 12 months; and the method used in the disposal of these stocks and the average price per pair at which they are sold?During the past 12 months, 44,380 pairs of boots, not repairable to Service standards, have been sold by the Ministry of Supply; most of them were sold at a nominal price to a social service organisation on condition of no resale. No Army boots are now being sold to the trade for use as civilian footwear. Thirty per cent. of the discarded or rejected Army boots returned to the Ministry are being rebuilt and re-issued to the War Office and the Ministry of Home Security. Forty-five per cent. are being reconditioned and stored against possible emergencies, and the remainder are passed to salvage after the usable parts have been recovered.
Has the right hon. Gentleman any Department for repairing for civilian purposes boots which have been re-issued to the Forces?
We have a Department which overlooks that matter, but we have channels through which repairs can be done.
If only 53,000 pairs have been repaired during the past 12 months, how is it that 500,000 pairs have recently been sold by a Manchester firm and exported to Eire for civilian purposes? Why could they not have been kept in this country?
My hon. Friend has another Question to which the President of the Board of Trade is replying on that subject.
If these figures are correct, why is it that people who have never handled boots or shoes or repairs before are able to offer 100,000 pairs which have been dumped for 12 months in the Midlands?
This may be possible in respect of accumulations in the past. I cannot say. I shall be very glad if the hon. Member will give particulars, and I will give him a complete answer.
Food Supplies
Milk Producers
56.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food the number of producers of milk of tuberculin-tested and attested standard who sell to the Ministry of Food at 31st May, 1942, and 31st May, 1943, and the number of producer retailers of this quality milk on the same dates?
The estimated numbers of wholesale producers and producer-retailers of milk of tuberculin-tested and attested standard on 1st June, 1943, were 2,280 and 1,030 respectively. The corresponding figures for 1st June, 1942, were 2,190 and 1,110.
Can the hon. Gentleman give an assurance that his Department is undertaking the necessary research to find out all the statistics on the subject of T.T. milk produced?
We are doing our best.
Strawberries (Growers' Prices)
57.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food on what data the pre-emption price of 8¾d. per lb. for this year was arrived at for strawberries produced in North West Kent?
Growers' prices for strawberries were fixed by the Ministry on a national basis after consultation with a committee of the National Farmers' Union representing growers in the different producing areas, including North West Kent. Consideration was also given to estimates of the probable yield and of dates of maturity of the crop, and to the experience of the 1942 Order.
In view of the fact that the Minister of Agriculture stated in the House that he has no precise information on this matter, why does the Minister of Food insist in fixing pre-emption prices in this late season area below the cost of production, to the financial detriment of the small growers? It breaks their hearts.
We cannot do better than come to agreement with the National Farmers' Union in consultation with the Ministry of Agriculture. In fact there is every reason to believe that the prices paid for strawberries this year were very satisfactory to the growers.
Did the Ministry get agreement with the Scottish growers, because there is a feeling that the prices to them were also unfair?
Not, I think, for strawberries.
Farm Sunday, Birmingham
59.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether he is aware that the i,000 volunteers taking part in the parade on Farm Sunday, in Birmingham, were prevented from having a drink because the application for 5 lbs. of tea and 9 lbs. of sugar made by the Warwickshire War Agricultural Executive Committee was refused; and why did he not make arrangements for a supply of the above?
It is the policy of my Noble Friend not to make additional supplies available for special functions, and he has not been able to depart from this policy in order to enable refreshments to be provided for those taking part in parades such as that mentioned by my hon. Friend.
Is the Parliamentary Secretary aware that two days before Farm Sunday a mobile canteen was in the centre of Birmingham supplying hot drinks to a queue waiting for ration cards? Is he not able to supply drinks when he is intimately concerned with any particular problem?