House Of Commons
Tuesday, 6th March, 1945
The House met at Eleven o'Clock
Prayers
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]
India (Civil Service, Etc)
THE VICE-CHAMBERLAIN OF THE HOUSE HOLD (Major A. S. L. YOUNG) reported His Majesty's Answer to the Address, as followeth:
I have received your Address praying that the Government of India (Family Pensions Funds) (Amendment) Order, 1945, be made in the form of the draft laid before Parliament.
I will comply with your request.
India (Governors' Allowances And Privileges)
THE VICE-CHAMBERLAIN OF THE HOUSE HOLD reported His Majesty's Answer to the Address, as followeth:
I have received your Address praying that the Government of India ( Governors' Allowances and Privileges) ( Amendment) Order, 1945, be made in the form of the draft laid before Parliament.
I will comply with your request.
Great Britain And Russia (Exchange Of Greetings)
I beg to inform the House that I have received the following Message from Russia, partly in answer to a letter which I sent when the Parliamentary Delegation went out there, and, which, for the convenience of hon. Members, I will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT. I will now read the Message I have received from Russia:
1st February, 1945.
To The Speaker of the House of Commons.
Colonel D. Clifton Brown.
We extend cordial greetings to you and, through you, to the Members of the House of Commons.
We fully share the conviction to which you have given expression that the further and comprehensive development of the Anglo-Soviet Alliance by strengthening friendly relations and mutual understanding between our peoples, constitutes a firm basis for the successful achievement of the high aims which our countries have set themselves in this war—the utter defeat of Germany and the safeguarding of a stable and lasting international peace for the future.
We hope that the visit of Members of the Commons in the British Parliamentary Delegation, which afforded them an opportunity to become closely acquainted with the feelings and aspirations of the peoples and Government of the Soviet Union at the decisive stage of our common struggle against the German aggressor, will contribute towards the strengthening of friendly relations between our peoples and the achieving of still closer co-operation between them, both during and after the war.
(Signed) N. ANDREEV,
Chairman of the Council of the Union.
(Signed) N. SHVERNIK,
Chairman of the Council of Nationalities.
Hear, hear.
Following is Mr. Speaker's letter:
January 9th, 1945.
The Speaker of the House of Commons sends his cordial greetings to the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R. on the occasion of the visit to be paid to the Soviet Union by Members of the House of Commons with the Parliamentary Delegation. Members of the House of Commons have followed with profound admiration and gratitude the historic part played by the Soviet peoples and their representatives and leaders in beating back and overthrowing the barbarous forces of aggression and they warmly welcome the Anglo-Soviet Alliance which has grown out of this common struggle. The Speaker wishes to assure the Presidium of the great pleasure which it gives the House of Commons that this visit should be made and he feels that it will do much to strengthen still further the bonds which unite the British and Soviet peoples, and to foster the interest which each must increasingly feel in the institutions of the other. The Anglo-Soviet Treaty and the comradeship between our peoples which has been forged during the war forms a firm basis not only for achieving final and complete victory together but also for building a just and enduring peace for the future.
(Signed) D. CLIFTON BROWN,
Speaker.
Private Bills
(Standing Orders Not Previously In Quired Into Complied With)
Mr. SPEAKER laid upon the Table,—Report from one of the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills, That in the case of the following Bills, referred on the Second Reading thereof, the Standing Orders not previously inquired into, which are applicable thereto, have been complied with, namely:
Manchester Ship Canal Bill.
Wisbech Water Bill.
Bills committed.
Oral Answers To Questions
British Army
Tanks
1, 2 and 3.
asked the Secretary of State for War (1) the calibre of the gun mounted on the German Royal Tiger tank together with the weight of its projectile;
(2) which British tank in action mounts a gun equal in calibre and weight of shot to the German 88 mm. gun mounted on the Royal Tiger tank; (3) the front armour, size of gun and weight of shell used in the biggest Russian tank, together with the total weight thereof; and whether there is a British tank at least equal in gun power and armour.I gave the hon. Member the particulars he asks for about the Royal Tiger in the reply I gave him on 16th January. It would clearly not be in the public interest to give details of British and Allied weapons being used against the enemy.
Is it not a fact that we have nothing at all equal to the gun on the Royal Tiger that is capable of piercing 5½in. of armour at 2,000 yards, and that the Russians already have a tank with a 5-inch gun on it?
The hon. Member is giving information, but as he said I did not give him the details about the Royal Tiger, this is my answer to the Question he asked on January 16th as to the calibre of the gun and the weight of the projectile:
"We have not yet received the complete details of the King Tiger. I understand, however, that it carries an 88 mm. gun firing a projectile weighing 22.4 lbs. …" [OFFICIAL REPORT; 16th January, 1945; Vol, 407, c. 17.]
Is it not true that in spite of our limitations, we seem to be doing very well on the Western Front?
I was under that impression; the only evidence to the contrary is from the hon. Member for Ipswich (Mr. Stokes).
Can the right hon. Gentleman say, approximately, how many of these German Tiger tanks have been knocked out by our armoured fighting vehicles and anti-tank guns, and how do they compare in manœuvrability?
I will see if I can get figures about the first part of the question. With regard to manœuvrability, which I regard as a much more important quality than mere size, there is no comparison.
Arising out of the Minister's second reply, is he aware that I have a letter in my hand dated 6th February from soldiers at the front complaining that there is absolutely nothing among our armour equal to the Tiger?
I will, on the appropriate occasion, which will arise fairly soon, produce the authoritative opinion of the soldiers about the comparison of the British and German tanks.
Would it be possible for one of these tanks to be placed in the tea room for the benefit of the hon. Member?
Mail Deliveries
4.
asked the Secretary of State for War if he is aware of the anxiety caused by letters being returned to relatives of serving soldiers overseas because the unit has moved on and the address to where they have gone is not known, so the letters fail to reach them; and what steps are taken to ensure the correspondence reaching its destination.
My hon. Friend will be aware of the great difficulties there are in forwarding mail to men who go into hospital or change their units, but very extensive arrangements have been made to meet these difficulties. I am grateful to my hon. Friend for forwarding to me two letters which have been returned to sender. Enquiries are being made to establish whether they could reasonably have been reposted to reach the addressee.
I have asked this Question only to draw attention to the matter, so that people will know we are watching this sort of thing and endeavouring to put it right.
Accident, Helmsley Camp
9.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to make a statement as to the report of the inquiry he promised to make into the conditions at Helmsley Camp where six men were killed in their beds by falling trees.
Five men lost their lives as a result of this tragic accident and I take this opportunity to express my sympathy with their relatives. The accident was due to a storm and no one was to blame. As I said in my answer to my hon. Friend on 6th February, there is always some such risk when a camp is situated among trees. It is impossible at this stage of the war to rebuild the camp elsewhere or to move the men. But a number of trees have already been felled and felling will continue.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this is not an isolated incident? Numerous trees have fallen there and it does not need much investigation to know that they are old elm trees.
My information is that the last incident, which did not result in any deaths, was in 1942.
Glider Pilot Regiment (Officers)
11.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that in the Glider Pilot Regiment Army officers draw field allowance whilst R.A.F. officers serving in the same camp cannot draw it; that Army and R.A.F. Glider Pilots of equal ranks and doing similar work, are paid at different rates; that a commander of a Glider Pilot unit has no powers of punishment over N.C.O.'s of his unit, if these belong to the other service; and whether he will cause these and other anomalies due to the mixing of personnel of the two services in Gider Pilot units to be regularised as early as possible.
As I said in my reply to my hon. and gallant Friend on 6th February, the Glider Pilot Regiment is part of the Army but for operational reasons R.A.F. officers and men have been attached to it. This may well be only a temporary arrangement, and, in these circumstances there are almost bound to be some discrepancies between the conditions under which the officers and men of the Army and the R.A.F. are serving in the Regiment. But, as a matter of fact, I understand that the rates and conditions under which field allowance is issuable to R.A.F. officers are the same as for Army officers and that whenever N.C.O.'s of the R.A.F. and airmen are ordered to serve with a Glider Pilot unit, the commander of that unit is empowered to punish them as if they were Army N.C.O.'s or soldiers.
Is my right hon. Gentleman aware that these are not minor administrative difficulties, but are in fact quite considerable difficulties? Is he aware that any officer commanding a unit of mixed personnel will certainly not consider them minor difficulties?
I think an officer commanding such a unit might be in a position to inform himself authoritatively of his powers. He certainly ought to know where to go for information as to his powers if he does not already know them.
Bla (Postal Orders)
14.
asked the Secretary of State for War if men serving in the B.L.A. are able to buy postal orders for the purpose of making small purchases by mail from home.
Yes, Sir. Men serving in the B.L.A. are able to buy postal orders at Army post offices and Field post offices.
Is there any lower limit to the amount of postal orders?
I do not know. There is an upper limit in the ordinary Treasury Regulations and there is a Regulation in 21 Army Group prohibiting bulk purchase of postal orders which might be used to further black market operations.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that one man who wanted a postal order for 3s. 6d. was told that he could not buy one for less than£1?
Perhaps the hon. Member will give me a specific instance. It is a very small matter and the Regulations are quite clear.
Barrack-Room Damage (Pay Deduction)
15.
asked the Secretary of State for War why on 23rd February, 1945, every N.C.O. and private in a certain battalion which a fortnight earlier had removed from Clacton to Felixstowe had 2s. deducted from his pay for barrack-room damage at Clacton; and why this punishment was inflicted on men who had never been to Clacton owing to absence in hospital, etc.
Inquiries are being made into this incident about which I had not previously heard.
Demobilisation (Allied Army Service)
18.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether in those exceptional cases where a man served in an allied army prior to joining the British Army, his period of service in the allied army will be taken into account for purposes of demobilisation.
I am afraid not.
Will the right hon. Gentleman give some reason? It is unfair to these men who have done two or three years' fighting who, through no fault of their own, were not able to join the British Army before, that their previous service with an Allied Army should not count.
I do not think the case has any merits whatever.
I beg to give notice that I will raise the matter on the Adjournment.
Urgent Personal Messages
19.
asked the Secretary of State for War by what means next-of-kin can send urgent communications to officers and men of the B.L.A.
Next-of-kin may communicate about urgent private affairs by telegrams which are sent by Army channels used for operational traffic. In this connection, I would refer my hon. and gallant Friend to the reply I gave my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Darwen (Captain Prescott) on 13th February.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that, at present, anyone wishing to send an urgent communication to an officer or man of the B.L.A. must first apply in writing, either to the War Office or to the record office concerned?
As these telegrams have to go by operational channels, some means of limiting the number of really urgent cases must be found. In any case the postal service, which I believe all goes by air to the B.L.A., is now so quick that there is no real advantage in sending these urgent telegrams at all.
First Canadian Army (British Units)
21.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can announce the composition of the Canadian First Army now engaged in operations against the enemy.
I regret that I cannot give my hon. and gallant Friend the full composition of the First Canadian Army now engaged in operations against the enemy, as such information would be of the greatest value to the enemy at the present time while the battle is still in progress. As my hon. and gallant Friend is no doubt aware, the strength and composition of an Army vary with the tasks assigned to it. He has, no doubt, seen in the Press mention of some United Kingdom units which are fighting as part of this Army. United Kingdom troops in fact form two-thirds of the First Canadian Army at the present time.
Is it a fact that some three weeks ago there appeared in the Canadian Press a statement to the effect that the British contingent formed some 75 per cent. of the First Canadian Army?
There is not a vast deal of difference between two-thirds and three-quarters. In any case, the composition of the Army varies from time to time.
Could my right hon. Friend make clear to the public whether there is a British First Army or whether the Canadian First Army is the British First Army?
British Prisoners Of War
Released Prisoners, Odessa
5.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he has any further information in regard to our prisoners of war in German territory occupied by our Russian Ally.
The arrival of 14 officers and 464 other ranks at the transit camp at Odessa has been reported by our Military Mission in Moscow; the names of those arriving are now being received and next-of-kin are being informed as soon as possible. Perhaps I could interpolate that about half of the names have arrived so far. We have otherwise received no further information about British Commonwealth prisoners liberated by the Red Army since the reply I gave a number of hon. Members last Tuesday. I should like to take this opportunity to inform the House that the British Red Cross War Organisation sent supplies to Russia some time ago and these are now being called forward for our men. Supplies have also recently been sent to Odessa.
Can my right hon. Friend give an idea of the total number of prisoners of war released by Russia as people in this country seem disappointed at the small number and the lack of news?
Beyond the answers I have given already, the only authentic numbers I have are these: 14 officers and 464 other ranks. These have arrived in Odessa. As to others, various stories have been received but are not immediately verifiable. I will certainly give all the information I receive, but my hon. Friend will be aware that I have given answers in the House from time to time showing that the Germans have been very hastily and very inconsiderately removing numbers of our prisoners further back into Germany.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether he has yet had an opportunity to complete the inquiries he promised into the allegations that the Germans are segregating Jewish prisoners of war from other prisoners of war, and in view of the grave anxiety caused by the report, can he expedite the inquiry?
I think it was last week my hon. Friend asked me this Question. Those inquiries can only be made through the Protecting Power, and it is a matter of many weeks before those inquiries can mature in information. I am afraid I can only say that it is no good expecting an early answer.
Ill-Treatment, Bulgaria
6.
asked the Secretary of State for War if he is now in a position to say what is the result of his inquiries with regard to the alleged ill-treatment of British prisoners of war in Bulgaria.
According to such information as I have the position is as follows. Prior to the signature of the armistice there were between 30 and 40 British prisoners of war in Bulgaria. They were placed in camps with Americans, who far outnumbered them. I regret to say that some of our prisoners were put to death; it is not known how many but the number is certainly under 10. Enquiries are still being made. The physical conditions under which all our prisoners lived were entirely unsatisfactory. Their food was inadequate and the treatment they received was rigorous and on occasion brutal. I understand that the commandant and two officers of one prisoner of war camp have been arrested and confined. The commandant of another committed suicide while he was waiting to be interrogated. Twenty-three Bulgarian officers and other ranks are in close arrest and 19 in open arrest for their share of the responsibility for this ill-treatment. British ex-prisoners of war who have passed through Bulgaria since the signature of the armistice report, however, that they have been treated satisfactorily.
Will my right hon. Friend take steps to see, when these inquiries are complete, that those found guilty shall be appropriately dealt with by the British authorities?
That raises the whole question of the machinery for dealing with war criminals. I should not like to answer it without notice.
Repatriated Wounded And Sick (Civilian Necessities)
8.
asked o the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware of the dissatisfaction of repatriated wounded or sick prisoners who find the arrangements made to provide them with civilian necessities while at home are much too slow to operate; and will he try and improve matters.
Repatriated wounded and sick prisoners of war are sent on leave to their homes as soon as they are fit to go. Detailed instructions have been issued to enable them to obtain rations, handkerchiefs and privileged priced cigarettes and tobacco. Arrangements are also made for them to be placed on the Service Register as electors. I have not heard of complaints about the present arrangements.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that complaints have been made, and will he speed up action by the Government Departments concerned?
To the best of my belief action has been speeded up and the arrangements are in force. If, instead of general complaints of unsatisfactory conditions, the hon. Lady will give me something specific to investigate, I will certainly do it.
Post-War Training And Employment
16.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether Government plans for post-war training and employment are communicated to prisoners of war in Germany and Japan.
No, Sir, but arrangements have been made for information about the plans for post-war training and employment to be given to all prisoners of war as soon as possible after their liberation from German hands. Similar arrangements will be made for prisoners now in Japanese hands.
Why cannot these Regulations, which would be of great interest to prisoners of war, be sent out?
Most of the prisoners of war are travelling up and down Germany in extremely uncomfortable conditions. Also, to send these regulations in any large numbers would clog up the arrangements for prisoners getting mail, and so would not be very much to their liking.
Could not one copy be sent to the senior officer of each existing camp?
War Graves (Gardeners)
12.
asked the Secretary of State for War what proportion of the gardeners of the Imperial War Graves Commission, employed up to 1940 in France and Belgium, have now been given permission to return to their duties and families in those countries.
Of 343 gardeners available for re-employment by the Commission, 70 have so far resumed their duties in France and Belgium.
Does my right hon. Friend expect to send the others back soon?
I cannot say. "Soon" is not a precise term. It will certainly be as soon as we can.
Building Industry
Technicians
17.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is still retaining the several hundred architects, engineers and other members of the building industry who were employed in the construction of Mulberry, or is he making them available for supervisory work or to prepare schemes for post-war housing.
I have been asked to reply. As the hon. Member will be aware this great work was carried out by a large number of co-operating contractors who employed their own technicians. No architects and only about a dozen engineers and other technicians were directly employed by the Ministry of Supply. One or two remain to clear up certain outstanding matters.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that there are something like 300 architects, engineers and quantity surveyors, who are in very short supply, who would be able to do the preliminary work, if necessary, for about 100,000 building trade operatives when the war ends?
They are not being held by the Ministry of Supply.
My Question was put down to the Secretary of State for War.
The War Office is not having any of these people either.
Factory Rebuilding (Labour)
68.
asked the Minister of Works whether he is satisfied that an adequate percentage of the building labour available is being allocated to the rebuilding of factories.
The many urgent demands for building labour greatly exceed the labour available, and I am satisfied that as large a percentage of the labour force as can reasonably be apportioned at present has been allocated to factory building.
Judge-Advocate General (Duties)
20.
asked the Secretary of State for War if he will indicate the duties and responsibilities of the Judge-Advocate General.
His Majesty's Judge-Advocate General, who is appointed on the recommendation of the Secretaries of State for War and Air, and holds his office under Letters Patent from the Crown, superintends the administration of military and air force law in the British Army and Royal Air Force respectively at home and abroad. This includes similar duties in relation to the Royal Marines when subject to military law, and to the Auxiliary Territorial Service and the Women's Auxiliary Air Force.
Is this official a military officer or a civil servant?
I would not like to answer that conundrum offhand. He is appointed, as I say, under Letters Patent, on the recommendation of the Secretaries of State for War and Air.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that this officer may be three in one; and is there any evidence to show that he is any one of the three?
Perhaps I may state that I have been reading Gibbon again, and there has been a great deal of trouble about the nature of the Trinity in the history of our planet.
As the W.R.N.S. come under the Naval Discipline Act, does the Judge-Advocate General deal with them?
If they were excepted from my list, the answer is "No." My hon. Friend might ask the First Lord of the Admiralty.
Greece (Relief Supplies)
22.
asked the Secretary of State for War, whether, in view of the urgent need for food in Greece, arrangements are being made to expedite the sending and distribution of relief at once without waiting until 1st April when the operations under U.N.R.R.A. will officially come into force.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given to my hon. Friend the Member for East Hull (Mr. Muff) on 31st January. The distribution of supplies has continued and is being extended to new areas as soon as communications can be restored. From the outset U.N.R.R.A. has participated in the distribution of supplies as agent of the military authorities. Arrangements are being made to hand over the responsibility for the provision and distribution of supplies to U.N.R.R.A. as soon as possible, but I cannot now say when it will be.
Scotland
Hydro-Electric Constructional Scheme (Inquiry)
23.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will place a copy of the minutes of evidence taken at the inquiry into Constructional Scheme No. 1 of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board on 27th to 30th December, 1944 and 3rd and 4th January, 1945, inclusive, in the Library for the perusal of Members.
Yes, Sir. A copy of the evidence is being placed in the Library to-day.
Voluntary And Emergency Hospitals
24.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many cases have now been transferred from the lists of Scottish voluntary hospitals and treated under the emergency hospitals scheme; and what are the financial arrangements with the voluntary hospitals for treatment of such cases.
Under a scheme which I arranged with the Scottish Branch of the British Hospitals Association in January, 1941, 32,250 patients from the waiting lists of voluntary hospitals in Scotland have been treated in emergency hospitals set up by the Department of Health for Scotland. For this service an overall charge of 30s. per case, irrespective of the length of stay, is made against the voluntary hospital. I might add that the scheme has had a considerable effect in reducing the waiting lists and has been of immense benefit to thousands of patients.
Death and injury rates per 100,000 manshifts worked, and 100,000 tons of mineral raised at mines under the Coal Mines Act (excluding the Stratified Ironstone Mines in Cleveland, Lincoln and Northamptonshire) in Great Britain during the years 1937·1944.
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Rate per 100,000 manshifts worked. | Rate per 100,000 tons of mineral† raised. | |||||
Fatal. | Non-fatal. | Fatal. | Non-fatal. | |||
1937 | … | … | 0·40 | 65·25 | 0·35 | 57·10 |
1938 | … | … | 0·41 | 63·60 | 0·37 | 56·69 |
1939 | … | … | 0·37 | 63·34 | 0·33 | 56·63 |
1940 | … | … | 0·43 | 69·05 | 0·40 | 63·73 |
1941 | … | … | 0·46 | 79·18 | 0·44 | 74·89 |
1942 | … | … | 0·43 | 82·30 | 0·42 | 79·78 |
1943 | … | … | 0·36 | 88·12 | 0·35 | 87·05 |
1944 | … | … | 0·33* | Not yet available | 0·32† | Not yet available |
* Provisional. | † Almost entirely coal. |
Flooded Mines (Pumping Schemes)
26.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power if he is aware that the number of mines winding coal in this country decreased from 2,919 in 1900 to about 1,695 in 1944, and that some of them were closed because separate colliery companies failed to agree on co-operative pumping schemes to prevent flooding; and is he satisfied that he has sufficient legal powers to prevent that happening in future.
I am aware that a number of pits have been closed through trouble with water, and it may well be that
Coal Industry
Accidents
25.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the rate of accidents, fatal and non-fatal, in the mining industry in each of the last seven years in relation to man-shifts worked and 100,000 tons of coal got, respectively.
As the answer involves a number of figures, I will, with my hon. Friend's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
Could my hon. Friend say whether there is an improvement in those figures as compared with seven years ago?
Yes, Sir; I think the tendency is for the fatal accident rate to decrease, but unfortunately the non-fatal accidents rather tend to increase.
Following is the information:
in some cases the necessity for closing would have been obviated had a joint pumping scheme been in operation. The existing powers to set up joint drainage schemes, which are contained in Section 18 of the Mining Industry Act, 1920, require in practice that an effective majority of the colliery undertakings concerned should be in favour of the scheme. How far it may be necessary or desirable to amend the existing law is a matter which will require to be considered in the light of the reports of the Survey Committees in the various Regions, and of the Advisory Committee on the Technique of Coal Production.
Has my hon. Friend noticed that nearly as many coalmines have been closed in the last 45 years as there are remaining in operation at present, and could he see whether there is not some legal power somewhere to prevent colliery companies quarrelling among themselves in future and closing good pits because they refuse to join co-operative pumping schemes, leaving thereby large areas derelict?
I am well aware that many pits have been closed and why some of them were closed, but I cannot go into it at Question Time.
Is my hon. Friend aware that practically all colliery owners who are quarrelling with one another in this connection are Conservatives?
Technical Committee (Report)
27.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power on what date the Report of the Technical Committee advising him on coal production is to be available.
My right hon. Friend expects to receive this report very shortly.
American Mission (Report)
28.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power whether he has submitted the American Mission's Report on the British coalfields to the Technical Committee advising him on coal production, with a view to their considering the recommendations contained therein.
I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which my right hon. and gallant Friend gave on the 12th December last to a question by the hon. Member for Stourbridge (Mr. Morgan).
In view of the fact that the report cannot be published because the evidence was given in secret, could my hon. Friend say on what authority the miners' evidence was disclosed to the coal-owners through the medium of this report?
The position has been made clear on more than one occasion, and I told the hon. Member a few days ago that the report was submitted in confidence to the Technical Committee so that they could have the benefit of the evidence which is in the report.
The hon. Gentleman has misunderstood the purport of my supplementary question. On what authority was the miners' evidence, which was given to the Commission in secret, disclosed to the Technical Committee, which consists of coalowners' representatives?
I am afraid that I cannot answer that offhand.
Directed Mineworkers, Rotherham (Hostel)
30.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the cost incurred in the erection of the miners' hostel at Rotherham; the total accommodation of same; the number accommodated in it at the moment; the highest number who at any given time have been accommodated; and the number of youths who have been directed to the mines in the district.
The cost of erecting the hostel is expected to be about £74,000; it was planned to provide accommodation for 350, but after building had started the sleeping accommodation was reduced to 200. Owing to the unexpectedly large proportion of men allocated for coal-mining employment in the Rotherham area, who either live in the neighbourhood of collieries or have found lodgings for themselves, it has not yet been necessary to open the hostel, but if the flow of men directed to Government training centres continues at the present rate, it may be necessary to do so shortly. As regards the last part of the Question, the number of men directed to mines in the Rotherham area is about 320.
In view of the shortage of housing and the terrible overcrowding in the district, may I ask the Minister to expedite the opening of this hostel as much as possible?
I will certainly convey that information back.
Injured Miners (Compensation)
63.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will give the average weekly compensation paid to injured adult mineworkers.
I regret that the information is not available.
Miners (Military Service)
The following Question stood upon the Order Paper in the name of Mr. COLLIN DRIDGE:
64. To ask the Minister of Labour why he allows miners who may, by reason of illness or industrial disease, have to leave the mining industry for short periods, later to be called up for military service, instead of being returned to the mining industry.
May I ask your guidance on this Question, Mr. Speaker? I submitted it to the Ministry of Fuel and Power, which had entertained it for months in discussions and correspondence. This transfer has taken place without any notification to me.
I cannot dictate to Ministers who shall reply to a Question. It is for the appropriate Minister to reply.
In this case the Ministry of Fuel and Power have entertained the matter by discussion and correspondence, and it was to that Department that the Question was submitted.
Miners are not called up for military service merely because they may have been absent from work for a short time on account of illness or industrial disease. Such action is taken only when my right hon. Friend is satisfied, on the medical evidence available, that a return to coal-mining would be detrimental to the worker's health or that he is likely to be permanently unfit for that work. Our officers consult the appropriate officers of the Ministry of Fuel and Power on all these cases.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that a few weeks ago a miner was taken from opencast work and spent five months in the Army, and was then allowed to return to the mining industry, and that I have had particulars of a similar case sent to me this morning? Is he aware that we are losing miners, who are spending time and effort being trained in the Army, and are finally sent back to the mines?
I think that it was admitted, in the first case to which my hon. Friend refers, that a mistake was made. If a mistake has been made again, and if he sends me particulars, it will be rectified.
Electricity Supply
Post-War Production
31.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power what action is being taken to bring about a great increase in the supply of electric power as soon as possible on the termination of hostilities; and have steps been taken to increase to its utmost the productive capacity of power plant production for home consumption and for export.
I regret that I have nothing to add to the reply which my right hon. and gallant Friend gave to my hon. Friend on 20th February.
Does my hon. Friend agree that post-war industrial efficiency will depend on the availability of large supplies of electric power at as cheap a rate as possible, and, if so, what action is being taken to plan to bring that about?
I can give an assurance to my hon. Friend that all is being done that can be done to see that existing capacity is sufficiently worked and that extra capacity is extended as quickly as possible.
Is not my hon. Friend sorry now that the Central Electricity Board cancelled such a lot of plant a few years ago?
Equipment (Advance Orders)
34.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power on what authority the Electricity Commissioners have authorised undertakings to purchase electrical equipment for post-war requirements from specified areas such as Scotland, the Northeast coast and South Wales.
I presume my hon. Friend is referring to a letter sent by the Electricity Commission to all authorised electricity undertakers on 1st February. The purpose of this letter is, I think, clear from the following extract:
The letter, which goes on to point to areas from which it is believed that reasonable delivery is most likely, was sent with the approval of the Treasury, the Board of Trade, and my Ministry."It would be of the greatest assistance in maintaining employment at the highest possible level on the conclusion of hostilities, or as and when war contracts are terminated, if undertakers could now proceed to place advance orders."
Is my hon. Friend not aware that these are not the main producing centres of electrical equipment? Does he intend to direct this industry into those new areas?
The letter sent out made it clear, I think, what the purpose was. I believe my hon. Friend will agree that one cannot maintain full employment after hostilities unless some planning is carried out.
Would not the Minister agree that it is far better to direct industries to go where people live and have established their homes, than to drive people from their homes?
Severn Barrage Scheme
32.
asked the Minister of Fuel and Power if he can now make a statement on the Report on the Severn Barrage Scheme; and if he will ask the committee or appoint others to investigate the practicability of preparing similar schemes for the Rivers Conway, Dee and Mersey and for harnessing the tides at Morecambe and the Solway.
My right hon. Friend is not yet in a position to make a statement on the report on the Severn Barrage Scheme which is under active consideration. With regard to the latter part of the Question, I would refer my hon. Friend to my right hon. Friend's answer to his question on 3rd October last.
Seeing that it has taken over 10 years to produce a report on the Severn, has not the time arrived when further investigation should be made into the practicability of harnessing the rivers mentioned in the Question?
I can assure my hon. Friend that the Severn Barrage Scheme is being actively considered at the moment, and the extra powers which are being asked for are also under consideration.
Trade And Commerce
New Industries
36 and 38.
asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) whether he has considered the Report recently issued by Mr. Devereaux regarding the development of West Cumberland and which has since been adopted by the Cumberland Development Council; and will he state the steps taken to implement the Report;
(2) how many new industries have been established in the development area of West Cumberland since the announcement of the Government's full employment policy; how many have been found employment; how many industrialists have agreed to promote new industries within the development area and the potential employment figures; and what types of industries are definitely promised.This report, together with much other material bearing on this subject, has been carefully examined by my Department. A number of projects are on foot for the development of existing industries, and the introduction of new industries, in West Cumberland. Some of these are now in course of negotiation and, as my hon. Friend will appreciate, it would be premature to give details until the arrangements have been completed.
37.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if attention has been called to the large number of workpeople discharged from High Duty Alloys, Limited, Distington, during the last four months; and what steps have been taken to introduce new industries, to meet this position, in accordance with the policy outlined in the Government's White Paper on Full Employment.
Yes, Sir. The question of the future employment of the workers released from this factory is being examined at the present time, and I am in close touch on the matter with those of my colleagues who are most immediately concerned.
51.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps he is taking to direct industries into Lancashire in order to maintain employment there when factories at present on war work come to the end of their orders.
As I have previously stated, there has been a large amount of new industrial building in Lancashire during the war, and I hope that these modern factories, for which I have already received many applications from industrialists, will be fully used, when they are no longer required for war production. I have already announced that the Government factory at Speke has been leased to the Dunlop Rubber Company, Limited.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that in the weaving area of Lancashire there are no new factories and no new looms on which to employ people, and that if we are not going to revert to the previous large scale unemployment there, some new industries will have to be brought into that area?
Under what conditions are these factories leased to firms?
That is another question altogether.
53.
asked the President of the Board of Trade why action has been taken to prevent new industries or factories from being started in Stoke-on-Trent; if it is his intention to facilitate industrial development in the area; what action has been taken since his visit to North Staffordshire; and how many pottery manufacturers and others, respectively, have inquired about the use of Government factories in the area.
No action has been taken to prevent new industries or factories being started in Stoke-on-Trent. As I have previously stated, I am confident, and will do my best to ensure, that Government factories, which have been built during the war, when they are no longer required for war purposes, will be fully used for peace-time production. I have received inquiries regarding the post-war use of Government factories in the Stoke area from two pottery manufacturers and a number of firms in other industries.
57.
asked the President of the Board of Trade the specific factors that were taken into consideration when determining which areas of the country are to be regarded as future development areas.
I would ask my hon. Friend to await the statement which I shall make on the Second Reading of the Distribution of Industry Bill.
Laundry Zoning Scheme, Oxford
39.
asked the President of the Board of Trade, in pursuance of what powers the Oxford laundry zoning scheme was put into force; and under what legal sanction proceedings are taken for its infringement either by customer or laundry.
This scheme is a voluntary one and was introduced, at the request of my Noble Friend, the Minister of War Transport, and myself, in order to secure the maximum saving of petrol, rubber and man-power in furtherance of the war effort. Details were worked out by a committee of Oxford launderers in consultation with my Regional Director of Laundry Services and the Regional Transport Commissioner. No proceedings for infringement of the scheme have been taken or are contemplated. The scheme depends for its success on the co-operation of the launderers in the area, and I am glad to say that this has been forth-coming.
Does not that answer mean that, having been endowed with ample powers by Parliament, the right hon. Gentleman has, in effect, imposed a scheme, by arriving at an agreement between himself and the trade in such a form that Parliament cannot pray against it? If he calls that a voluntary agreement, can he tell us who volunteered?
The launderers, whom I approached and invited to volunteer. There is no doubt much voluntary effort is still to be welcomed in furtherance of our war effort.
Ought the voluntary effort to take the form of a conspiracy in restraint of trade?
The greater part of the war effort is restraint of trade, for a very good purpose.
Maximum Retail Prices (Farthings)
40.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the scarcity and the unpopularity of farthings as units of currency, he will order them to be disregarded in the fixing of maximum retail prices or, alternatively, permit of adjustment in price, by mutual consent, between tradesman and customer, without recognised infringement of the maximum retail price orders where neither party is able to furnish a coin of this value.
The principal Maximum Prices Orders provide that retail maximum prices are to be rounded to the nearest ½d. if the price of the article does not exceed 5s. and to the nearest 1d. if it exceeds 5s. Only for a few articles of very low value are maximum prices fixed in farthings. I am not aware that this practice has caused inconvenience or dissatisfaction and I do not propose to alter it. I could not permit any arrangement between a tradesman and his customer for the payment of more than the legal maximum price, but there is nothing to prevent a tradesman from charging less than that price.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that a tradesman who, by mutual consent with his customers, accepted an extra farthing was recently fined £40 for so doing, and that, as a result, customers who now wish to buy commodities the price of which involves a farthing, in o many cases cannot get them unless they have that coin?
I have had no complaint, but if the hon. Member will send me the particular case, I shall be glad to look into it.
Cotton Industry
41.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that the steady decline in the production of cotton goods is due to one factor only, namely, inadequate labour supply; and will he take energetic measures, in consultation with the Minister of Labour, to remedy this serious position and to devise some ameliorative action.
My right hon. Friend the Minister of Supply and I are in constant touch with my right hon. Friends the Minister of Labour and the Minister of Production on this matter. As my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour informed my hon. Friend on Thursday last, further measures are in hand for increasing the number of workpeople in the spinning section of the cotton industry. My right hon. Friends and I Eire also in touch with the Cotton Board in regard to the action which the industry itself is taking, and must in future take, to attract new recruits.
As it would appear from the answer that everybody is getting into touch with everybody else, can my right hon. Friend tell fee House what in fact is being done? Is it not the case that when civilian production gets to the low limit that it has reached in this particular trade, the matter becomes one of urgent war priority?
What is happening is that the Ministers concerned with production in Lancashire are in touch with each other to see whether we can divert some of the labour now employed in making munitions to the spinning of cotton. That is the problem we are considering, but, evidently, we must not prejudice the production of munitions in this critical stage of the war. The cotton industry is not an attractive industry, compared with the making of munitions, and that is one of our troubles.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that the steady decline of an adequate labour supply is due to one cause only, and that is the failure of the employers in other trades to provide labour with decent wages or reasonable security of employment? May I ask him whether the Government will devise any ameliorative action in regard to that matter?
I answered that question last week.
Is it not possible that a number of war industries imported into Lancashire could be transferred to the special areas where unemployment exists at the present time, and thus release cotton operatives?
In relation to the supplementary question of the hon. Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. Silver-man), may I ask the Minister whether it is not based on lack of information, and cannot be borne out by the facts?
52.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he can yet announce any Government proposals designed to assist the cotton trade of Lancashire to recover export markets in order that it may make its contribution to the 50 per cent. increase in the country's export trade which the Government have declared to be necessary.
As I have previously stated, it is the view of His Majesty's Government that, for some time after the war, the cotton industry should be able to sell overseas, at good prices, all it can produce for export. When I discussed post-war problems with leaders of the cotton industry in September last, I urged them to take certain immediate steps to increase the efficiency of the industry. As I informed my hon. Friend the Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. Silverman) last Tuesday, discussions on this matter between the various sections of the industry, under the auspices of the Cotton Board, have been proceeding, and I have asked the Chairman of the Cotton Board to keep me informed of their progress.
The Question asks what the Government are doing. In September the Minister told the industry what it had to do. What the industry wants to know is what the Government propose in regard to the export trade specifically.
To encourage export trade to the utmost extent, consistent with the prosecution of the war effort and the maintenance of essential civilian supplies.
Has my right hon. Friend included, among the steps he has suggested to the industry, the provision of a legal minimum wage, so as to alter the position whereby, before the war, a weaver could work 48 hours a week for less than 20s.
One of the points I raised with the industry, as I stated at the time, was the modernisation of the wage structure, which is primarily a matter for the employers and workers in the industry to work out in detail.
Film Industry (Report)
43.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he has considered the Palache Report on tendencies to monopoly in the film industry; and whether he can make a statement on it.
As I have previously stated, in accordance with the suggestion made to me by the Films Council, I have, in the first instance, invited the various sections of the films industry to let me have their views on the report. I am still waiting to hear from certain sections of the industry.
Can my right hon. Friend give any estimate when he Will get those answers and when he will have a view of his own?
When I shall get the answers depends upon the sections of the industry concerned. So far, out of eight associations which, following the advice of the Films Council, I have consulted, I have had replies from only three. It is not my intention to begin to form a view unless I have those communications.
Men's Socks (Length Restriction)
44.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is now in a position to relax the restriction on the length of men's socks.
No, Sir. This restriction has resulted in a substantial saving of yarn, which is required for other kinds of clothing, particularly infants' wear.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that these short-length socks are just as unpopular as the austerity suits were? Will he remove this restriction at the earliest possible moment?
The earliest, possible moment will be used to give priority to infants over males who prefer a long sock to a short sock.
Is the Minister aware that these socks are always relaxed because they are not long enough to be restricted?
Are the women to be asked to make a contribution?
Children's Wellington Boots
58.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he can make any statement on current imports of children's Wellington boots from Canada; anl if there is to be a distribution of these in addition to the distribution of such boots announced by him recently.
The first consignments of children's Wellingtons from Canada, to which I referred in reply to Questions on 6th February, are expected to arrive in a few weeks' time. These supplies will be small in relation to the total demand and special arrangements have been made to ensure that they are distributed to children in rural areas.
Thank you.
Textile Goods (Release)
59.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will consider the advisability of arranging that towels and overalls should be decontrolled; that wool should be supplied in place of yarn for children's socks and jerseys; and that one pair of sheets and at least one blanket per household should be released, in accordance with the request of the standing conference of women's organisations at Wolverhampton.
I regret that, owing to the shortage of textiles, I cannot see my way at present to adopt my hon. Friend's suggestions regarding towels, overalls and sheets and blankets. As regards wool, the supply of yarn for the hosiery industry and of hand knitting yarn for the shops is being maintained at the highest possible level.
San Francisco Conference (British Colonies)
45.
asked the Prime Minister whether, he will give an assurance that in the discussions at San Francisco the status of British Colonies will not be altered without consultation with such Colonies and the sanction of this House.
Yes, Sir.
Children's Allowances (Income Tax)
47.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether children's allowances payable under the Family Allowances Bill, when implemented, will be liable to Income Tax.
The children allowances under the Bill will generally be treated as taxable income for Income Tax purposes and the taxpayer will continue to enjoy the personal allowance of £50 per child which the Income Tax law at present provides.
Does that mean that if a taxpayer receives an allowance in the form of a rebate on his Income Tax he is not expected to pay tax on that rebate, but that if he gets it directly under the new Bill he will pay Income Tax on it? Will that not be in favour of the well-to- do section of the community rather than the poorer?
I am afraid I have not been able entirely to follow the hon. Lady's argument. The answer I have given comes down quite simply to this: Allowances which are an addition to income will be treated as income, but the introduction of the new allowances will not be attended by any withdrawal of the existing relief.
Will the tax be payable by the father or the mother?
Can the right hon. Gentleman give an estimate of the total sum that is to be paid by the State in family allowances, and how much of the total sum will come back in taxes?
I could not possibly give an estimate of that kind.
France (Clothing Parcels)
61.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether arrangements have now been completed for packages of clothing, similar to those which can now be sent by the French Red Cross to French nationals in France, to be sent through the British Red Cross, or any other agency, to persons in France of other than French nationality.
I am at present considering proposals by the British Red Cross on the lines suggested by my hon. Friend.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that these things have been considered for several months, according to my information, and in the meantime French nationals are getting packages from England, but British nationals or people of any other nationality cannot get them? Could the matter not be expedited, in view of the fact that winter is passing, and it is in the winter that these packages are needed?
I will press it forward.
House Of Commons (Refreshment Arrangements)
62.
asked the hon. Member for Dulwich (Sir Bracewell Smith), as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee, until what hour it is proposed to provide dining-room service on and after 13th March; at what hour he anticipates that the kitchen and dining-room staff will normally be off duty at night; and, on occasions when the Rule is suspended indefinitely, what steps are being taken to provide early breakfast for hon. Members and to enable the staff to secure transport to their homes during the night.
The Kitchen Committee has decided that, as far as possible, the catering arrangements from 13th March shall be as follow:
Hot luncheons will be available from 12.45 p.m. to 2.15 p.m. and hot dinners will be served from 6.30 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. Light refreshments will be obtainable from 12 noon until the House rises. It is proposed to give these arrangements a month's trial, and afterwards to make any alterations that may become necessary. Most of the members of the staff will be off duty at 9.30 each night, but, should occasions arise, when the Rule is suspended indefinitely, efforts will be made to supply the necessary refreshment. If, in the light of experience, it is found that existing transport facilities are inadequate, we will endeavour to arrange for the necessary additions to the service.While thanking the hon. Member for his reply, may I ask him, with reference to the last part of it, to bear in mind the needs of the staff as regards transport home on occasions such as those mentioned in the question?
indicated assent.
Will there be any catering arrangements for strangers in the evening?
The arrangements for strangers will continue as at present, and the same rooms will be available in the evenings.
Will my hon. Friend really guarantee that there will be enough food for all hon. Members who want lunch and dinner, in view of the fact that now there is not enough for Members at lunch?
I would ask the hon. Member to wait until after the month's trial, and then raise the question, if necessary.
If a certain number of meat rations are consumed in any given week, does that limit the amount of meat available in the following week?
Rosyth Dockyard
65.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is yet in a position to make a statement about the post-war future of Rosyth Dockyard.
Not yet, Sir.
Is the hon. and gallant Gentleman not aware of the almost impossible task confronting planning committees in the area in view of the absence of information about the Government's intentions on this question?
I realise that. But I think this matter will be discussed rather fully, probably to-morrow.
Is the Minister aware that this part of Britain has rendered yeoman service? We have now one*of the finest-equipped dockyards in Britain. After the last war Rosyth was a derelict area, and thousands of workers are dreading the same thing after this war. Surely the Minister can do something for men who have done such yeoman service?
There are many other considerations, in addition to that which my hon. Friend has mentioned.
Is the Minister aware—
rose—
But it is very important.
Nigeria (Constitution)
67.
Jones asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he is now in a position to make a statement about constitutional development in Nigeria.
Yes, Sir. The Governor of Nigeria, in a recent despatch, has submitted to me proposals for a revision of the Constitution. This despatch, together with an introductory note, has been published as Command Paper No. 6599. As stated in the introductory note, the Governor has been informed that favourable consideration would be given to his proposals, but that in view of their importance Parliament and the representatives of the people of Nigeria should first be given an opportunity of examining them.
Business Of The House
Last Thursday, as the House may remember, I undertook to reconsider taking the Motion on the hours of sitting on Thursday of this week. I have looked at the Business again. We have a very heavy programme to-day and tomorrow, and I do not think the House would find it generally convenient to take that Motion on Friday; so, I am afraid, there is really no choice except to take it on Thursday. But I would suggest that, as hon. Members in all parts of the House are aware of the proposal to alter the hours of sitting and, as I think we are all pretty familiar with the arguments about it, it might be possible to take a decision without a long Debate. In any event, I propose that on Thursday we should suspend the Rule until 7.30 to give time for the Family Allowances Bill.
The Motion on the Order Paper dealing with hours of sitting is different from what has been in the minds of hon. Members for some time. I would ask my right hon. Friend whether it is possible to alter the Motion. Many of my hon. Friends were a little doubtful about the wisdom of changing the hours of sitting, but they reluctantly agreed to 2 o'clock. Could my right hon. Friend allow some compromise between 2 o'clock and 2.30, and make the Sittings 2.15 to 9 o'clock at night, with half an hour for the Adjournment?
If an arrangement of that kind commended itself to the House, naturally, we would look sympathetically at it. Perhaps my right hon. Friend will give us time to consult with the various parties in the House.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that it will be a very great inconvenience, in view of the transport position, to sit until 9.30? Would he not consider 9 o'clock as a satisfactory time to close the Sittings?
I do not think that there is a great deal of difference between the difficulties at 9 o'clock and those at 9.30.
Has my right hon. Friend considered that if the discussion on hours of sitting is prolonged on Thursday, it will leave very little time, even with an hour's extension, to take the whole of the Second Reading of the Family Allowances Bill and the Financial Resolution? Could not the Financial Resolution be taken another day?
I would like to make progress. We are allowing not only an extra hour, but an extra hour and a half. I think the House could take the discussion on hours of sitting in an hour and a half.
Is it proposed to take the Electoral Registration Regulations this week, and, if so, on what day?
It is still down for Friday.
Business Of The House
Proceedings on Government Business exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House).—[ Mr. Eden.]
Orders Of The Day
Supply
Air Estimates, 1945
Order for Committee read.
12.3 p.m.
I beg to move, "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair."
The story of the air war in the past year is, largely, the story of the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force, working in the closest partnership and harmony for the destruction of the common enemy. Their tasks are complementary, their fortunes are intertwined. Together they have achieved mastery of the air over Germany and the battle area. The extent of their mastery is illustrated by the reduction in the casualties incurred by squadrons of Bomber Command. In 1942 the bomber squadrons lost 4.1 per cent. of the aircraft despatched; in 1943 they lost 3.7 per cent.; in 1944 the figure fell to 1.7 per cent.; and for the first two months of 1945 it has been as low 1.1 per cent., although an increasing number of operations have been carried out by day. The power of the Allied Air Forces—which, of course, include many squadrons from the Dominions and our European Allies—has increased, is increasing, and will continue to increase until Germany is beaten. In mere numbers it is true that the Royal Air Force has reached the peak of its expansion; but its power does not depend only on numbers, but on the prowess of its aircrews, commanders and staffs, and on its technical and scientific equipment, which is becoming ever more formidable with each month that passes. Therefore, without diminishing the total current impact of the Royal Air Force on the enemy, we are in process of reducing the aircrew training organisation to the level required to maintain the smaller air force which will be operatng after the defeat of Germany, This reduction in training will take place mostly in the Dominions. As the House will recall, I explained the details of this reduction last November. Much of the air training has, of course, been given in this country, but in the early months of the war agreements were made under which Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Southern Rhodesia undertook to provide a great deal of the training of the aircrews required, not only for their own Air Forces, but also for the R.A.F. and not only their own young men but young men from this country as well. They also provided the airfields, the buildings, and most of the instructors and ground staff. That was a big task, especially when we remember how small were the Dominion Air Forces at the outbreak of war. Soon, however, it became necessary to make further demands on the Dominions. In 1940 we were shut out of the Continent and threatened by invasion, and much of the training which had hitherto been carried out in this country had to be transferred overseas. These additional tasks were readily undertaken, triumphantly completed and, as need arose, ungrudgingly extended. Many of the Dominion aircrew trained in these schools have been formed into Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, South African and Southern Rhodesian squadrons, and many more have gone into Royal Air Force squadrons. Not far short of 200,000 young men, many of them from this country, have received their flying training in the Dominions. All have played a distinguished part in operations against the enemy. It was on the sure foundation of this great Dominion training plan that the huge structure of the Royal Air Force was built. It was in the fullest sense a war-winning plan. Strategically, the British Commonwealth and Empire was taking advantage of space and distance to train its aircrews unmolested by the enemy. The United Kingdom and each of the Dominions which took part in it has good I reason to be proud of its share in the success which it has achieved. Most of all our gratitude is due to the Canadian Government and to the Royal Canadian Air Force, on whose shoulders the main burden rested, and whose energy, determination, generosity and inexhaustible resource were equal to every one of the great and constantly increasing demands which were made upon them. The air superiority which has enabled us to call a halt to the numerical expansion of the Royal Air Force has not been obtained without hard fighting and heavy casualties. Between 1st April and 3oth September, 1944, Bomber Command alone suffered more than 10,000 casualties killed, missing and wounded. Reconnaissance and ground straffing of troops and vehicles in the battle area or in other areas heavily defended by flak is also dangerous work. On the other hand, well-planned bombing and hard fighting in the air have so reduced the strength of the German Air Force that our casualty rate has fallen far below what it was prudent to anticipate two years ago, when we were planning for the flow of aircrew into the squadrons to-day. At this juncture the needs of the Army for men are greater than ours, and, just as earlier in the war, men were transferred from the Army and the Navy to the R.A.F. when our needs were the greatest, so now it has been decided that several thousands of men should be transferred to the Army from the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force. Naturally the Royal Air Force and all of us who have the privilege of being associated with it in this war, regret the loss of the services of these men. I sympathise deeply with their feelings at being compelled to leave the Service of their choice. I am explaining to the men the reasons which make these transfers necessary and, while no explanations can be expected altogether to remove their disappointment, I know they will understand that the requirements of the war must transcend any individual preference. We regret likewise the disbanding of Balloon Command and I know that the House will join with me in paying tribute to the protection, indispensable until recently, which the men and women of Balloon Command have provided for London and other great centres of population. Particularly, the House will recognise the patriotism of those who fitted themselves for these important duties by sacrificing their leisure in the days of peace. Those living in the South of England will remember the swift development of balloons to meet the V.1 attacks. We say "Thank you" to the officers and men of this fine Command. Their work will be carried on to the extent still necessary by smaller elements in Fighter Command and in the Overseas Command. We shall not make the mistake of supposing that Germany is defeated before the "Cease Fire" sounds, but, in the meantime, it is necessary to look beyond the immediate requirements of the war and to take some preliminary thought for the re-establishment of the permanent Royal Air Force. Since the outbreak of war, officers and men have joined the Service as members of the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Regular officers and airmen are at present only a small minority, and we shall want to take into the Regular Air Force many of the war-time entrants who have so well served their country. I cannot, of course, estimate how many will be required, until the Government has been able to decide on the size of the peace-time Royal Air Force. Till then the total number of officers holding permanent commissions cannot exceed the number in the Service immediately before the war. A start has been made by inviting officers to volunteer for permanent commissions, and lists of those selected will begin to appear at intervals in the near future. So also, early in 1944, airmen were given the opportunity of entering on regular engagements, of extending existing engagements, and of re-engaging for pension. We are also preparing for another task which will confront the Royal Air Force when the German war is over—to transfer squadrons and supporting units to the Far East to finish off the war against Japan. We are very conscious of the need for improving the welfare and amenities of men and women serving in that theatre, and the Air Ministry is working closely with the other Departments concerned to secure those ends, of which the Prime Minister recently gave the House a full account. I have appointed a special committee in the Air Ministry to push these things on and to help in overcoming any special difficulties. One measure which is the particular concern of the Royal Air Force is that we have been able recently to increase the provision of air transport for the carriage of mails to troops in that theatre. This has made it possible to abolish the rationing of homeward air letters and to carry by air, at surface rates, all letters up to one ounce in weight both to and from the forces in India and in the South East Asia Command. The pattern of the air offensive in Europe has been reflected in the distant swamps and jungles of Burma. The same hammer blows from the closely integrated British and American Air Forces have destroyed the enemy's dumps, airfields, bridges and all forms of land and water transport. Denied supplies and reinforcements, the Japanese have fallen a prey to our advancing troops. This in turn has led to the clearance of the Burma Road with the great strategic consequence of increasing the flow of supplies to China. The Tactical Air Force element with its Beaufighter, Spitfire and Thunderbolt fighter squadrons, its Hurribomber and tank-busting squadrons, and its Mosquito bomber squadrons have worked closely fused with the Army; while the heavy bombers, the photographic reconnaissance units and the coastal squadrons have all made their brilliant and indispensable contributions to the Allied victories in that theatre. Air supremacy has enabled us both to starve the enemy's troops and to nourish and sustain our own. As many as three divisions have been, at one time, maintained solely by air transport. Thus Air power is opening the gate, through which the Allied Armies will pour to the liberation of the Eastern territories. The creation and development of Transport Command has destroyed the paradox that the Royal Air Force was, tactically, the most, but strategically the least mobile of the three services. There in India and Burma, it has full scope not only in maintaining communications along its trunk and feeder services with this country and with other overseas theatres, but in airborne, air-transporting and supply operations. Last night the capture of Meiktila, 75 miles south of Mandalay with its eight airfields, was announced by the B.B.C. The great part of the troops that took it were carried there and all are being nourished there by aircraft of Transport Command. In the Far East the British and American Air Forces serve under a British Air Commander-in-Chief, Sir Keith Park. In the Mediterranean theatre they serve under an American Officer, General Eaker, with a British officer, Sir John Slessor, as his Deputy. The Mediterranean. is a theatre which provides a striking example of the versatility and flexibility of air power. The famous Coastal Air. Force has many roles. Before the decline of German sea power in the Mediterranean, this group fought the German submarines and the torpedo and bomber aircraft which attacked our convoys. That work would hardly keep them busy now, but they still attack German shipping in the Adriatic, and in the Gulf of Genoa; they still carry out reconnaissance over the sea, and they still give fighter protection to our convoys, bases and lines of communication by day and by night. The Allied Tactical Air Forces, of which the famous Desert Air Force forms part, work closely with the Army. The 15th United States Strategic Air Force and British bomber squadrons working with them carry the bomber offensive into Southern Germany from Italian airfields. There are plenty of German fighter squadrons, and several factories, which produce jet aircraft in Southern Germany. The Alps present a formidable barrier—ice and snow in winter and an even greater danger in summer—heavy electrical storms; but the targets are important, and these squadrons are making a big contribution from Italy to the success of the Bomber offensive. Another formation in Italy with a brilliant record of achievement is the Balkan Air Force, working closely with both the Army and the Navy, fighting the Germans and their satellites in the Adriatic and the Balkans, and supporting Marshal Tito's partisans. When I introduced these Estimates last year, the German Air Force was attempting, on a small scale, to renew the blitz on London. The unfailing skill of our night fighter crews, of our ground controllers and of the gunners and searchlight crews of Anti-Aircraft Command, inflicted on them sufficient losses to deter them from mere harassing attacks, which were producing no military results. The German blitz has petered out under the crushing blows of the Allied bomber offensive, Small numbers of fast aircraft, carrying a few bombs, may get through from time to time, but not without paying their toll to Fighter Command; as they did when they lost at least six, and more probably eight, aircraft out of seventy fighter raiders on Saturday night.Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the 60 or 70 fighter bombers he has referred to were jet-propelled or not?
They were not jet-propelled, but long-range fast night-fighters carrying a limited number of bombs.
So the Germans resorted last summer to the flying-bomb. The weight of the attack fell off when the sweeping advances of Field-Marshal Montgomery's Armies resulted in the occupation of the principal launching sites. Launchings continued, however, on a small scale from aircraft during the winter, until the campaign was temporarily abandoned about six weeks ago. Now the Germans have started using them again. As far as we can see, the new ones are much the same in performance as the old ones but they have a rather longer range. In the meantime, we are also under fire by V.2. The Government are deeply conscious of the strain to which these attacks are subjecting many thousands of our fellow countrymen. The loss of life and homes, the injuries and the human suffering and misery which they inflict are grievous. They fall upon a courageous people which has suffered and endured much in more than five years of war. No practical means of abating these attacks has been neglected by the Royal Air Force, but the launching site of a V.2 is small and hard to identify. Any space of ground—hard or artificially hardened—23 feet by 23 feet, will serve as a launching site for the rocket. It may be in streets or woods, or on an open road. We may know that certain areas near or in a particular town or village in Holland, are being used for launching. To send some squadrons of Bomber Command to obliterate that town or village would destroy the lives and homes of hundreds, or even thousands of our Dutch allies, who are already suffering terribly; but the men who operate the rockets, would emerge from their deep shelters when the bombardment was over, and either carry on their nefarious work elsewhere, or else perhaps clear a space, and continue to operate from the same devastated town. By attacks on storage sites, on supply routes, motor transport parks and lines of communication, we are reducing the scale of attack far below what the Germans hoped to achieve; but in the case of the rocket, as in the case of the flying bomb, the only way to silence this form of long-range artillery is the physical occupation of the sites from which these weapons are fired and our primary object, therefore, is—in close co-operation with the Army—to hasten the paralysis and destruction of the German armies on our front and, consequently the liberation of Holland from the German invader. To this supreme object—the destruction of the armed might of Germany—all three Services in closest partnership are bending their efforts. In successive speeches introducing these Estimates, I have described how the partnership of the three Services was being developed. The fruits of these efforts have been gathered in the campaigns at sea against the German U-boats and German shipping, and on land in the battles by which the German armies are being driven remorselessly back from the West, from the East and from the South, with crippling losses in men and material. D-Day for the British and American Armies of liberation was 6th June last year, but for the Royal Air Force the campaign had started long before. The weight of our invasion of Northern Europe would have been much reduced if the U-boats had been sinking even a fraction, of the number of Allied ships which they were sinking in every month of the year 1943. Gradually, however, the squadrons of Coastal Command—very long range Liberators, Wellingtons with their searchlights, Fortress, Sunderland and Catalina Squadrons, Beaufighters with their rockets and Mosquitos carrying a six-pounder—working in closest co-operation with the escort groups of the Royal Navy, had obtained an increasing mastery of the German submarines. Bomber Command, too, had contributed largely to this result by bombing the U-boats in their assembly yards and in their pens, and by their arduous, difficult and extremely successful mining operations. The Germans had boasted that, thanks to the U-boat, no Allied soldier would set foot on the Continent of Europe. Coastal Command and the Royal Navy answered this boast with deeds. Together, they swept the seas, and kept open those channel lanes on which depended the security of our convoys and the nourishment of our armies. In the opening stages of this great battle the burden of the fighting lay principally on Coastal Command. In the three weeks before D-Day Admiral Doenitz was endeavouring to move up his reserves of U-boats from their bases in Norway to the threatened area of the Channel coast. From Norway, these U-boats began to slink out on their long trek through Northern and Atlantic waters to the Channel. The Commander-in-Chief, Coastal Command—Sir Sholto Douglas—had anticipated every move they made. Knowing what they had to expect, the German Command had given their crews a concentrated course of training against air attack. In particular, they were equipped with a new 37 mm. anti-aircraft gun. Their foresight was wise but unavailing, for these reinforcements were attacked and mauled by aircraft of Coastal Command. In the continuous daylight of the Northern summer, the battle was joined off the coasts of Norway, the Shetlands and the Faroes, and even in the Arctic, where the U-boats sought to escape the range of our aircraft. Many were sunk and damaged. This was the opening bout. The main campaign, fought in the English Channel and its Western approaches, began on D-Day. Previous to that date, single U-boats had penertated into coastal waters with the aid of Schnorkels. When the invasion came, the Biscay U-boat fleet made their way to the Western approaches of the Channel on the surface. They were instantly engaged by Coastal Command, and U-boat prisoners have frankly admitted that entering the Channel was a nightmare. During the first tour critical days from D-Day, the Command made 38 sightings, which resulted in several destructive attacks. In every case the U-boats fought back desperately with flak, but our indomitable aircrews—heroic men like Flight Lieutenant Hornell, of the Royal Canadian Air Force, who lost his life, and Flying Officer Cruickshank, whose gallant exploits earned for them the Victoria Cross—flew in low through the flak and bombed with deadly accuracy. These successes of Coastal Command, won in unison with the Royal Navy, were decisive; a blow was inflicted on the enemy from which he never recovered. It was fatal to his prospects of holding what he chose to call the Fortress of Europe. Nor were the enemy's hopes of countering the invasion confined to U-boats. He hoped for great things from his motor gun boats and motor torpedo boats which were to harry the main lines of our shipping. We know from our prisoners of war that hardly a motor gun boat or motor torpedo boat put to sea without being spotted and attacked from the air. Coastal Command is also carrying on a sustained and deadly campaign against the enemy's shipping which has been carrying supplies to his U-boat bases in Northern waters or evacuating his troops from Norway. The target presented by enemy shipping is incomparably smaller than that presented by our own shipping to the enemy; but, week by week, Coastal Command is sinking German ships off the coasts of Norway, Denmark and Holland. The work of Bomber Command under Sir Arthur Harris and of the United States Strategic air forces under General Spaatz, in preparation for the launching of our armies, had been continuous over a period of years. All through 1943 and 1944, the great battles of the Ruhr, of Hamburg and Berlin, were steadily undermining the war power of Germany. We had become aware that the Germans were making a tremendous effort to build up the biggest fighter force that the world had ever seen. They were preparing to accept the defensive role and, sacrificing their bomber force, they were concentrating on building up an impregnable fighter defence Thus the Germans were being forced to cover up against our bomber blows. The bomber offensive was proving to be the most effective defence of our homes and factories against a blitz on the great scale. Had they been left undisturbed, they would have increased their fighter production from 1,000 a month, at which it stood in the middle of 1943, to 2,500 or 3,000 a month by thee end of last year. The British and American bomber forces, therefore, in the winter of 1943 and spring of last year turned their main effort against the German fighter factories and ancillary production. The German fighters struggled desperately to save their factories. Bomber Command's casualties were high, but they pressed their attacks with determination and with devastating effect. The Americans fought brilliantly, destroying hundreds of German fighters in air fighting and bombing with deadly accuracy. The House may remember that, in introducing these Estimates on 29th February last year, I said that it might well be that historians of the future would look back upon the period between the February and the March moons, in which these attacks were being delivered in great force by British and American squadrons from Italy and from this country, as one of the decisive stages of the whole war; and I am interested to see that General Arnold, Commanding General of the United States Army Air Force, in his annual report to Congress, which was published last week, says:That great series of attacks against the German aircraft production laid the foundation of the air mastery which the Allies enjoyed on D-Day and now enjoy over Germany and the battlefields of Europe. In the late spring, the destruction of German communications behind the intended invasion front took first place among our bombing objectives. Bomber Command, the 2nd Tactical Air Force and the U.S.A.A.F. all played their parts in this campaign. It was not a task upon which the Allied Air Forces entered lightheartedly, for it involved the destruction of railway facilities, some of which were in thickly populated areas of France. It was therefore bound to entail distressing loss of life among French civilians in spite of every precaution which we could take—and we neglected none. Marshalling yards and railway repair facilities were destroyed on a great scale. Twenty-four road and railway bridges over the Seine were selected for bombing; by D-Day all 24 had been either demolished or severely damaged. The result of this campaign was to destroy one of the main assumptions on which the enemy's plan of defence was based. He had naturally assumed that he could reinforce his defensive front by road and rail more quickly than we could reinforce by sea. As things turned out, the weather favoured this calculation and for three critical days it was impossible to land troops or supplies over the beaches. Nevertheless, so thoroughly had the Allied Air Forces done their work, and so complete was the mastery of the British and American Tactical Air Forces over the French roads and railways by day, that the Allied armies were able to reinforce much more quickly than the Germans. German troops were rushed into the battle piecemeal on bicycles. Two divisions which were brought from the eastern front took only five days to cross Europe to the French frontier, and then took 14 days to travel from the frontier to the battle. Another German division, hastening to the battle from North-East France, detrained at Rouen and subsequently took 14 days to reach the battle area on foot. Famous Panzer divisions were short of tanks and in some cases were using old French ones. The strategic plan of the Germans for countering the invasion broke against the searching weapons of air attack. The Royal Air Force also successfully delivered two of the largest airborne formations ever taken into battle. In the first of these operations, British and American airborne forces formed the spearhead of the Normandy landing. The second operation succeeded later in forcing the Maas and the Waal, and one of the Transport Command groups which took part in these operations has also successfully evacuated by air from the Continent over 55,000 casualties since D-Day. The brilliant work of the 2nd Tactical Air Force, their mastery of the air over the battlefield and their throttling grip on German communications have surpassed all reasonable expectation. The slaughter of the German Panzer Divisions in the Falaise Gap by the rocket and bomber Typhoons of the Tactical Air Force was a brilliant exploit. Under the command of Sir Trafford Leigh-Mallory—whose loss is such a heavy blow to the Royal Air Force and to the country—and of Air Marshal Sir Arthur Coningham, the closeness of the partnership between the Tactical Air Force and the Army, under Field Marshal Montgomery, was assured. Together they have operated in the spirit of Field Marshal Montgomery's declaration that the first and great principle of war is that you must first win your air battle before you fight your land and sea battle: and, as he added, we never had to bother about the enemy in the air because we won the air battle first."The week of February 20–26, 1944, may well be classed by future historians as marking a decisive battle in history—one as decisive and of greater world importance than Gettysburg."
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman one question? If we have, as he keeps saying, complete supremacy in the air, will he explain why the German troops were able to get across the Rhine so recently, particularly after General Eisenhower had said that he had smashed the German Army on this side of the Rhine?
I said complete air supremacy. I did not say complete supremacy over the land and the air, and I do not think there has been in any theatre of war, at any time during this war, any case in which an army has been so paralysed by an air force that it has been quite incapable of movement, even in winter weather.
Two activities of Bomber Command call, I think the House will agree, for special attention on this occasion, and the hon. Member for East Stirling (Mr. Woodburn) will be interested in view of what he said in last year's Debate. The first is the sinking of the "Tirpitz", the greatest of the German battleships and perhaps, in her time, the toughest ship afloat. The House will not forget that she had already suffered rough usage at the hands of the midget submarines of the Royal Navy and the aircraft of the Fleet Air Arm. She was sunk by two squadrons of Bomber Command under Wing Commander Tait. They flew 1,200 miles to bomb from some 15,000 feet and scored three direct hits and two near misses. The House is fully sensible of the immense debt which we owe to our gallant Allies—to their courage and skill in battle, to their wisdom in counsel and planning, and to their co-operation in scientific research—but I think Hon. Members will also be gratified to reflect that this brilliant feat of arms was accomplished by British, crews aiming, with a British bombsi