I desire, with the permission of the House, to make a statement explaining a modification which it has been found necessary to make in the programme for the release of officers.
The operation of the age and service principle in the release scheme results in a far higher proportion of officers than of other ranks becoming due for release in the early groups. Three in every four have had previous service in the ranks which counts in computing their total service for release. Seven out of every eight officers are over the age of 25. This was always foreseen, but it was expected that the resulting shortage of officers in the early period of the release scheme would be met in two ways:—While I am sure that all hon. Members wish to associate themselves with the regret which the right hon. Gentleman feels at having to make this statement about the service of these officers, I think it would be useful if he could make available either now, or in some other way that he thinks fit, some indication of the numbers concerned.
:I will do that with pleasure. I feel that in the circumstances the House has the right to all possible information I can give on this matter. I gather the House understands the difficult side of this for the officers; I ought to point out that the essence of the whole thing is that up to the present the men who have been held in various classes because of military necessity have been held indefinitely. They did not know what their position was. This operation, which spreads over a much longer time will give something like a fair deal to officers. It will spread out over all theatres, and in the long run will let the officers know for how long they are to be held, and ultimately it will get us back to the position where age and length of service will act properly.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in 1939 and 1940 the Army was run on a much smaller proportion of officers than at present and that the deficiency was met by giving far more responsibility to N.C.O.'s and Warrant Officers, Class 3? What steps is the right hon. Gentleman taking now to improvise methods of finding people who can do junior officers' jobs?
I am afraid I should want to see that question on the Order Paper. It involves quite a number of considerations with which I would not be prepared to deal at the moment.
While I appreciate the necessity for the steps which the Army Council are taking in the circumstances, is not the need for these steps due a great deal to the fact that they have not yet announced the conditions of service of the post-war Army? Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that a great many officers whom I met on recent visits to Germany told me they were quite willing and anxious to remain in the Regular Army if only they could find out what the conditions of service are to be? Will the right hon. Gentleman expedite an announcement on that subject and in that way retain in the Service a great many officers who otherwise would be demobilised?
I realise the need of a statement on post-war conditions for the Army, and I know that has affected certain individuals, but I ask hon. Members to note that the Army has had to supply officers for Civil Affairs, for Control Commission purposes, and for many other purposes, and this has robbed the Army of some of its ablest men.
In view of the fact that the principle of age and length of service no longer operates equally between officers and men and between the three Services, will the right hon. Gentleman indicate to the Leader of the House the desirability of providing an early day for a full discussion of this matter?
I have just drawn attention to the fact that under the working of the military necessity clause and the holding up of whole classes for some months now, that principle has not been working as far as officers were concerned. We hope by this arrangement to bring the whole thing on to an even keel. Whereas the officers were held indefinitely and did not know how long they were going to be in the Army, this arrangement will give officers a definite guarantee as to how long they are to be held.
Will the Minister authorise inquiries to establish the truth or otherwise of opinions so frequently ventilated by officers and other ranks that there are now far more officers in relation to other ranks than are needed for the purposes of the occupation Forces?
The proportion of officers to other ranks is bigger now than it was before the war. As to holding an inquiry, I have just completed a visit, and I would not like to hold an inquiry on all the statements that were made by me.
Is it proposed to return to B.A.O.R. those officers who have completed their full term of service abroad and who are now in this country?
Yes, Sir, I said that in my statement.
Apart from the disappointment to men abroad, is my right hon. Friend aware that the housing shortage and the construction of houses will be affected by this decision, especially the inclusion of many thousands of young engineers who qualified and who will not be allowed to come back into industry as speedily as they expected?
I think my hon. Friend has made a mistake as to what the statement means. It applies only to officers and not to the men. I also said that this arrangement would allow for more consideration to be given, particularly to the needs of industry, as well as compassionate needs.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that men with science degrees were made into officers over two years, ago?
They would have their cases investigated and examined.
Is it still the case that officers who desire to continue to serve must volunteer for a further period of one year? If so, will not the right hon. Gentleman take advantage of the very large number of officers who would be ready to volunteer for continued service for six months or even for three months?
We were hoping to get about 25,000 officers, and we got 15,000 to take on. I realise that the need is to speed up a statement on post-war conditions.
In view of the fact that the right hon. Gentleman agrees that an early statement of conditions is desirable and that this would go part of the way towards solving the problems he has mentioned, can he say how soon he will be in a position to make a statement?
No, Sir, I cannot.
In view of the fact that my right hon. Friend's statement was rather complex, will he consider asking the Leader of the House to provide an opportunity for a discussion on it when hon. Members have had time to study it? Or will he go into the matter a little further when he meets hon. Members in a Committee Room this afternoon?
I would welcome an opportunity of making a statement on this matter, although I am the victim of conditions and the Business of the House like every other Minister. The meeting to which my hon. Friend alluded which I am addressing upstairs this afternoon is called for that purpose and I would like to deal with that specific subject. I do not object to a question or two at that meeting, if necessary.
Will the right hon. Gentleman include in the statement he is publishing details of the cuts effected in officers on headquarter establishments and also of the number of other ranks who are being commissioned to replace the shortage of officers.
I would like to have an opportunity of considering that matter.
Will the Minister, in determining the revised dates of release, take into account the fact that many of these officers served in the Terri- torial Army for many months, and sometimes years, before the war and have been separated for long periods from their businesses and also from their homes?
I expressed my very great regret at the statement I had to make particularly upon the ground of the long service of some of these men, but I again state that there will be an opportunity in particular cases for special consideration to be given. Now that this spread over is to take place, there will be a greater opportunity for compassionate consideration and things of that description than there was in the past.
May I ask the Prime Minister whether any similar deferment is going to apply to officers in the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force?