House Of Commons
Wednesday, 5th March 1947
The House met at Half past Two o'Clock
Prayers
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]
Oral Answers To Questions
Heligoland
1.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs on what ground it has been decided to blow up the island of Heligoland and why arrangements are not being made for the island to be returned to British or Danish control, or to be taken over by U.N.O.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster to the hon. Member for Westmorland (Mr. Vane) on 26th February last, and also to the reply given by my right hon. Friend to the hon. and gallant Member for West Edinburgh (Lieut.-Commander Hutchison) on 7th November, 1945.
Can my hon. Friend assure the House that nothing but the fortifications will be destroyed, and that the island will remain intact?
There will, I am afraid, be extensive damage if it is used as an air raid bombing ground.
Germany (British Subject's Death)
2.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that Dr. Chatterton-Hill, 63 years of age, a British subject, died of starvation in Berlin on 12th January owing to neglect by the responsible British authority; and whether, as on 23rd October, 1946, in the last session of Parliament, he promised in this House to give him the necessary facilities to return to this country, he will have the circumstances of his death fully inquired into.
I cannot accept the implication in this Question. Dr. Chatterton-Hill died of pneumonia, with undernourishment as a contributory cause, but he should have received the normal rations issued to all inhabitants of Berlin. He did apply last October to be repatriated but, having neither means of maintaining himself nor connections in this country, recognised that he could not expect repatriation at that time. He later applied to be sent to a hostel in the United Kingdom and this application was under consideration at the time of his death.
Is my hon. Friend aware that Dr. Chatterton-Hill was only allowed a No. 5 ration card, the lowest of all, that he was refused any form of medical assistance from British doctors, or from British hospitals, and denied the right to receive any British Red Cross parcels?
The application to accede to these things was under consideration when Dr. Chatterton-Hill died. [HON. MEMBERS: "Shame."] It is true that delay occurred owing to the centralisation of our consular system in Hamburg. We greatly deplore Dr. Chatterton-Hill's death, and we have already taken steps to decentralise our system and make the necessary staff available.
Is my hon. Friend aware that while his case was being considered Dr. Chatterton-Hill died of cold and starvation? Will my hon. Friend have this matter properly looked into, and a full report made about it?
Immediately we heard of Dr. Chatterton-Hill's death we sent for an immediate report. We have made the most full inquiries, and have already taken action to decentralise our consular system down to Berlin.
Could my hon. Friend define the essential medical difference between death from starvation, and death from what he calls pneumonia with undernourishment as a contributory cause?
Dr. Chatterton-Hill received the normal ration in Berlin which was, at that time, fully honoured. I cannot accept the implications that he therefore died of starvation on account of neglect.
He was undernourished.
Will the hon. Gentleman give an undertaking that if, in future, any British subjects are in difficulties in Germany their cases will be dealt with efficiently, and not like this?
Answer.
I have already explained that we have taken steps to decentralise our consular administration and to increase our staff in Berlin so that nothing of this kind will happen again.
Can my hon. Friend explain why even the most highly concentrated centralisation failed to produce a result between October and February? However highly centralised it was, there ought to have been an answer to the application in a shorter period than that.
The application went to Hamburg, and to have it granted required security clearance. In my view, under a decentralised system the man on the spot would have taken a decision on his own initiative.
Can my hon. Friend enlighten the House as to what Dr. Chatterton-Hill was doing in Berlin, and how long he was in Germany before his death, because I do not know the facts, and unless I have an answer I shall not be in a position to form a judgment?
During the war, Dr. Chatterton-Hill worked for the Germans in the Trans-Ocean News Agency.
Is my hon. Friend aware that at no time did the security authorities go anywhere near Dr. Chatterton-Hill until after he was dead, and will he have a full and proper inquiry made into the case?
Has my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary read the full report in the "Daily Telegraph"?
In view of the most unsatisfactory reply from the Under-Secretary, I beg to give notice that I shall raise this matter on the Adjournment on the earliest possible occasion.
Greece
Youth's Death Sentence
3.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that the Greek Government has placed in Salonika Gaol, under sentence of death, a boy of 15 years of age; that members of the U.N.O. Commission recently intervened and secured the postponement of his execution; and whether the British Ambassador in Athens will be asked to make representations to the Greek Government regarding this case.
I am informed that the execution of this youth, who is 16, and thus under Greek law fully responsible for all offences under the penal code, was postponed by the Greek authorities on the plea of youth before the intervention of the United Nations Commission. His case is under review and, in these circumstances, I do not consider that representations by His Majesty's Ambassador are called for at this stage.
In view of the fact that it is decisions and acts of harshness, such as this sentence exemplifies, which have led to great political bitterness in Greece, is not this a proper case on which His Majesty's Government's representative in Greece should make representations which, I think, all Members of this House would like him to make?
As, in the normal course of justice, this case is under review, there is no case for intervention at this stage. On the other hand, there may be a case for reconsidering the decision later.
British Financial And Military Obligations
9.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will assure the House that the Government's plan to withdraw all troops from Greece by the end of June will in no way be changed by the offer of financial aid for Greece made by the U.S.A.
11.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the recent exchanges between the British and U.S. Governments on the subject of Britain's financial and military obligations in Greece; whether the withdrawal of British troops from Greece is to be delayed as a result of these exchanges; and if he will state the date by which the withdrawal is expected to be complete.
15 and 16.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (1) whether he is now in a position to announce a date for the final withdrawal of the British Forces from Greece;
(2) what requests he has made to the U.S. Government for economic and financial assistance to Greece; for what purposes this assistance is required; and what reply has been received from the U.S. Government.As the House knows, U.N.R.R.A. relief supplies to Greece are about to come to an end and His Majesty's Government's commitment regarding financial assistance to Greece terminates on 31st March. It is evident that Greece will continue to need assistance in meeting her minimum foreign exchange requirements after that date, and His Majesty's Government are therefore discussing this question with the United States Government. I regret I am not in a position to give any further information on these discussions while they are proceeding.
There is no change in the current arrangements for the reduction of British troops in Greece, nor in His Majesty's Government's decision to withdraw the remainder of the troops as soon as practicable. I am not yet in a position to announce the date of final withdrawal.Does my hon. Friend's reply mean that we shall not be influenced in the direction of allowing our men to stay there, when they are so badly needed at home, by United States money?
There is no change whatever in our decision to withdraw our troops from Greece, as soon as possible.
Is it not a fact that the British Government recently decided that all British troops should be withdrawn from Greece by the end of June, and will my hon. Friend state whether or not that decision has been changed? Secondly, in view of the revelation of the Greek Government's note to the United States that a part of the financial assistance is required to buy arms in order to prosecute civil war against the Greek Resistance Movement, will my hon. Friend make it clear that His Majesty's Government are unalterably opposed to the use of financial assistance for this purspose?
In reply to the first question, we have never made a decision about the date of the withdrawal of British troops. [HON. MEMBERS: "Oh."] I am aware of no decision of the Government on the question of the date for the withdrawal of British troops. On the second question, the discussions are in progress, and the purpose for which assistance is given is under discussion. There is nothing further that I can add to the reply that I have given.
Can my hon. Friend say anything about last Saturday's Foreign Office Press Conference, when very full background information and guidance were given to the Press; and can he explain why it is possible to inform diplomatic correspondents more fully than it is to inform this House?
Without notice, I cannot answer that question.
Will the hon. Gentleman give information, which he foreshadowed last Friday, about the promised delivery of arms to the Greek Government?
The delivery of arms is a different question. These are financial discussions.
Will my hon. Friend bear in mind that no reconciliation between the Left and the Right in Greece is likely, as long as the Greek Government themselves can rely upon American money and support from British Forces?
Certainly there is much more to the matter of reconciliation than the use of armed forces.
Trade Unionists' Release
14.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many imprisoned and exiled Greek trade union leaders have been released in accordance with the undertaking given by the Greek Government in November, 1946.
I understand that of the trades unionists whose release was sought by the trades unions from the Greek Government in fulfilment of their undertaking of November last, 15 have been released and that the release of a further 76 has been ordered. The majority of these persons had been arrested for reasons other than their trades union activities.
In view of the delay of the Greek Government in carrying out their pledge, and of the further persecution of the Left, started yesterday, behind the backs of the United Nations Commission, will he make it clear that, in his view, the present Greek Government are unworthy to receive financial and military assistance from the United Nations?
I cannot, of course, admit all the implications in that question. On the other hand, I agree that the action of the Greek Government in relation to the release of trade unionists has been slow and unsatisfactory. I have asked our Ambassador to make renewed and urgent inquiries about the cause of the delay.
Would my hon. Friend say whether he has any information as to the number of these trade union leaders who are released, only to be arrested almost at once, and whether any of these people to his knowledge were included in the mass arrests made yesterday?
I have asked for the fullest information of the new arrests, and until it is forthcoming. I cannot answer that question.
Will the Under-Secretary of State also ask for information about the murder of the wife of one and the daughter of another Populist M.P.?
I am aware of a recent case, but that is another question, and I shall need notice before I reply to it.
Unrra (British Staff)
4.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many British subjects from the United Kingdom are at present employed by U.N.R.R.A; and if he is in a position to offer any alternative employment to them when their present contracts come to an end.
I am informed that the number is 2,699. We have for some time been trying to help U.N.R.R.A. in the disposal of their British staff. A substan- tial number will, it is hoped, find suitable employment with the International Refugee Organisation which I hope will soon be established, and with other United Nations organisations and services. Many others of the staff who are secretaries, clerks, messengers and drivers, should have no difficulty in finding employment in this country. The U.N.R.R.A. Director of Personnel is in touch with Government Departments here, and a number of vacancies have already been offered U.N.R.R.A. in Government service both here and abroad.
In view of the fact that many competent and experienced men went into this organisation, thinking that it had a greater degree of permanency than in fact it has, will the Government try to find them alternative employment where they can use their experience and knowledge?
In general, we shall do what we can.
Rumania (Elections)
5.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has now received a reply from the Rumanian Government to his protest of last November against the falsification of the general election; and what action he proposes to take in the matter.
I have nothing to add to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member on 3rd February.
Is it not very unusual not to reply to diplomatic representations, especially when they concern the whole of the Yalta and Potsdam Agreements? We have protested, and are we not to get any reply to our protests?
Our attitude has been made plain, and I have nothing to add to it.
Anglo-Soviet Treaty
6 and 7.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (1) whether, on his forthcoming visit to Moscow, he will urge the inclusion in any amended treaty of Clauses 2 and 3 of the Atlantic Charter of 12th August, 1941, in accordance with which no territorial changes shall take place that are not in accord with the freely-expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, and that sovereign rights and self-government are to be restored to those peoples who have been forcibly deprived of them; and
(2) whether, on his forthcoming visit to Moscow, he will urge the inclusion in any amended treaty of the two principles set forth in Article 5 of the Anglo-Soviet Agreement of 26th May, 1942, to the effect that the high contracting parties will not seek territorial aggrandisement for themselves nor interfere in the internal affairs of other States.I will bring the points raised in both Questions to the attention of my right hon. Friend.
Will the Government insist on pointing out that the three Baltic States—Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia—have never been given their rights, guaranteed to them under these agreements, and will it not be possible to restore their freedom and their independence?
That is another question.
Polish Resettlement (Note)
8.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the subject of the Polish note on the Polish Resettlement Bill.
No, Sir. The Note was received on the 3rd March and is still under consideration.
Pacific Islands (Trusteeship)
10.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what instructions have been issued to our representative on the Security Council in reference to the application by the U.S.A. for trusteeship over the Pacific islands formerly mandated to Japan.
His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom have instructed their representative on the Security Council to express appreciation of the action of the United States Government in declaring their intention to place the islands in question under trusteeship and will give sympathetic consideration to the United States proposal now before the Security Council.
Has my hon. Friend any idea why there is this unseemly haste in going ahead with the trusteeship proposal, and is he aware that it conflicts to some degree with Articles 82 and 83 of the Charter?
No, I am not aware of unseemly haste, and the proposals are fully in accord with the letter of the Charter.
Will the hon. Gentleman explain what is meant by "strategic trusteeship"; is that a different sort of trusteeship?
Yes, Sir. A quick reading of the Charter will make that clear.
May I ask why the hon. Member was so sympathetic to this proposal, which puts these islands under the sole direction of America?
The intention of the United States Government, which is cordially endorsed by Russia and ourselves, is fully within the spirit and the letter of the United Nations Charter.
In view of the unsatisfactory nature of the reply, I beg to give notice to raise the matter on the Adjournment.
International Refugee Organisation
12.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs wliether, in considering the future organisation of I.R.O., he will urge that neither the Director-General nor any other high official shall be an American who is an aspirant to political honours in New York State.
His Majesty's Government equally with other member Governments will no doubt have an opportunity of expressing their views on the suitability of any candidates proposed for the directorship of the International Refugee Organisation. All the circumstances likely to affect their suitability for the post will then be taken into consideration.
Will the hon. Gentleman refrain from making any such tatement, and will he see that the best man is appointed, even if he is a rising politician, and even if he is in New York City?
We shall naturally use all our influence to get the best man chosen.
Diplomatic Service, Tokyo
13.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the commencing salary of a member of the Diplomatic Service serving in Tokyo in his first year.
The salary of a grade IX officer in his first year is, under the new scale, £360 per annum. At Tokyo he would receive in addition free board and lodging and a foreign allowance of £50 per annum, if unmarried.
African Colonies
Gaskiya Corporation, Nigeria
18.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what was the nature of the report, dated 10th August, 1946, on the Gaskiya Corporation in Nigeria; and what action has been, or is intended to be, taken on this report.
I am informed that the report was a confidential memorandum submitted to the Nigerian Government by the official who acted as chairman of the Corporation for a short period while the chairman himself was on leave. It contained certain criticisms of the Corporation's organisation and a suggestion that it should be transferred from Zaria to Kano. The Governor of Nigeria has carefully considered the report, but is satisfied that there is no justification for a departure from the proposals for the establishment of the Corporation which were approved by the then Secretary of State in 1944.
Can my right hon. Friend say if, in point of fact, the report shows that the organisation is wasting public money, it is sadly defective in its organisation and what steps he proposes to take in order to improve its supervision?
But the organisation has done some very good work and we should give it all the encouragement that we can.
Development Officers
19.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies on what qualifications and recommendations appointments are being made by his Department of the development officers now being sent out to Nigeria.
The essential qualification for development officers in Nigeria is that they should be the type of men capable of obtaining the cooperation of Africans in the large schemes now being undertaken. In addition, for some of the posts, previous agricultural or veterinary experience is required. Candidates are selected, as for other appointments in the Colonial Service, by competitive selection based on record and personal interview.
How can my right hon. Friend account for the fact that out of the first ten development officers who went out to Nigeria four were returned home as unsuitable, and that the same thing applies to some 50 per cent. of those who have gone out since?
I certainly do not accept the statement of my hon. Friend but I shall be glad to have any information on the subject which he possesses.
Can my right hon. Friend say how many of these development officers are to be appointed in Nigeria and when they are to be appointed?
I cannot say without notice.
Resettlement, Kenya
22.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what progress has been made with African resettlement in Kenya; and for what reasons the Hon. E. Mathu, the Hon. S. J. Cooke and Archdeacon Beecher have recently resigned from the Commission on African Resettlement.
Archdeacon Beecher has not resigned from the African Settlement Board. Mr. Cooke and Mr. Mathu have resigned, I understand because they consider the progress so far made inadequate. Mr. Mathu has also expressed the view that the terms of reference of the Board are too restricted.
Both the Government of Kenya and I myself wish that it had been possible to make more rapid progress on African settlement and resettlement schemes during the past 12 months and we are determined to press forward with that work. But the preparation of settlement areas is a difficult and complex business, depending on surveys and investigations which unavoidably take time to complete. The machinery for dealing with the matter is however being strengthened and measures to be taken will include the appointment at six Africans to an advisory board which will assist the Commissioner for African Settlement. I am sending the hon. Member a copy of a report on the work so far carried out.Is the Secretary of State aware that as a result of his recent visit great steps are being taken for the resettlement of these Africans, and is he also aware that if the African is not trained to use the land properly before he is resettled, vast spaces of Africa will be desert?
Yes, Sir, I think that is perfectly true and we are anxious to speed up development.
Are the Askaris who served overseas given any priority in this matter?
This is really concerned with the resettlement in the tribal lands, and that calls for community action, although we are trying to put the Askaris in a favourable position.
Kenya Labour Department
24.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if an experienced trade unionist has yet been appointed to the Labour Department of the Kenya Government.
Yes, Sir. An experienced trade unionist has been appointed and will shortly be leaving this country to take up his duties.
Will the Minister say what staff this man will take with him or will it be a case of one single trade unionist?
No, Sir. There is a Labour Department of the Kenya Government though I cannot give the number in the Department. Many of them are experienced in trade union affairs.
Is this appointment the same as some other appointments, that the trade unionist appointed draws his pension and other rates from the trade union for whom he was previously working?
This man is a railway worker who has been appointed, and I am not at the moment informed as to his superannuation position.
Can the Secretary of State say his name?
Mombasa Strike (Intimidation)
25.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will secure and publish the evidence in support of the Kenya Attorney-General's contention in the Legislative Council that systematic underground intimidation took place during the recent strike in Mombasa.
From the evidence I have seen, I am satisfied that intimidation was pursued in the case of many workers out of sympathy with the strikers during the Mombasa strike. I see no need to publish the evidence.
Will not the Secretary of State at least make this available to the House by leaving a copy in the Library?
I am quite prepared to acquaint the hon. Member with the facts.
Colour Discrimination, Lagos
36.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if his attention has been called to the enforcement of the colour bar against an official of his department by an hotel-keeper in Lagos and if he will refuse to renew the licence of the person guilty of this offence or take other steps to prevent repetition of it.
The Governor of Nigeria is at present considering what action can be taken on this deplorable matter, either on the lines suggested by my hon. Friend or otherwise. I shall communicate with my hon. Friend when I have the Governor's report.
Is it not a fact that there were two officials concerned and that while discrimination was practised against one the other was allowed to remain in the hotel?
It is quite true that there was discrimination, but the Governor is looking into the whole matter.
Can the Minister give the nationality of the owner of the hotel?
I am not able to do that.
Fourah Bay College
43.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what active assistance he is giving to Fourah Bay College, Sierra Leone, in their search for new premises; and what are their prospects of finding permanent accommodation.
My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for War has agreed to an extension up to May, 1950, of the lease of the War Department buildings which the college now occupies at Mount Aureol. I am at present awaiting a communication from the Governor stating whether the terms proposed are acceptable to the Sierra Leone Government; if, as I hope, such arrangements are made the question of the provision of permanent accommodation will not be one of immediate urgency.
Hospitals (X-Ray Apparatus)
44.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many hospitals in the West African Colonies are equipped with X-Ray apparatus; and in how many hospitals is this equipment lacking.
According to the information available to me, hospitals at the following places in the West African colonies have been equipped with X-Ray apparatus: Bathurst, Freetown, Accra, Kumasi, Sekondi, Tarkwa, Lagos, Port Harcourt, Kaduna and Kano. Other equipments have been ordered, and I am asking the West African Governments for a complete list, which I will let my hon. Friend have later.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that a large number of hospitals in West Africa have no form of X-ray apparatus? Does he not think that it is hindering the work of our medical ser- vices in West Africa if inferior standards of diagnosis and treatment are permitted?
Certainly that is the case, but it will be appreciated that there has been some delay in securing certain apparatus required. Under the new development arrangements we hope some of these shortages will be made good.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether in this matter, as in others, he takes into account the Medical Research Council and asks that they should render a report to his Department?
Oh, yes. The Research Advisory Board in the Colonial Office works in the closest association with that body.
Although there are so few examples of X-ray apparatus, can the right hon. Gentleman say how many iron lungs there are and whether they are ever used?
I cannot answer that.
Malta (Emigration)
20.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many persons in Malta are desirous of emigrating; and if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a full and detailed list of those concerned, showing their trades and occupations.
The number of persons registered with the Emigration Department in Malta as desirous of emigrating is 11,692. The full details requested in the latter part of the Question have not yet been received from Malta, but they are expected shortly and when they arrive I shall communicate with the hon. and gallant Member.
Would the right hon. Gentleman also give this information to some of his colleagues, including the Minister of Labour, in view of the fact that many of these skilled workmen would be of great use not only to this country but also to the Dominions?
Yes, Sir. We are in communication with the Ministry of Labour and we hope that many of these men can be absorbed here.
Colonial Empire (Primary Products)
21.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will publish a statement on the contribution of agricultural produce and raw materials made by the Colonies to the United Kingdom during the last 10 years; together with details of any price fixing and marketing arrangements entered into.
The details of imports of agricultural produce and raw materials from the Colonial Empire into the United Kingdom in the years 1937 to 1946 are contained in the Trade Returns published by the Board of Trade. I regret that at the moment my statistical staff is too hard-pressed with current work for it to be possible for them to extract from these returns the information desired and to publish it in a separate statement. Practically all Colonial exports of primary products during the war were purchased by His Majesty's Government under contracts or agreement of which the conditions and duration varied from commodity to commodity. I regret the pressure on my staff at present makes difficult the task of compiling the information about price fixing and marketing arrangements and publishing all the documents concerned, but I will consider whether this can be done.
Does the Minister realise that there is considerable feeling about the price fixing arrangements not only in the Colonies but also in England, and will he give this matter a fairly high priority?
Yes, Sir, and I am anxious that the House should be put in possession of all the relevant information on this matter.
Ceylon (Trade Unionism)
23.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is aware of discontent in the Ceylon public service respecting the refusal to grant trade union rights; and what action is being taken in the matter.
I am aware that representations in this respect have been made on behalf of certain sections of the Ceylon public service and that the matter is now under close examination by the Ceylon Government within whose competence it lies.
When is the statement on the matter likely to be made?
That really is a matter for the Ceylon Government.
Has not Ceylon now in accordance with the wishes of the people attained a large measure of self-government, and is it not inappropriate through this House to pursue questions of detail which must be within the competence of the Government of Ceylon?
I certainly share that view.
Palestine
Murdered Arabs
26.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many anti-Husseini Arabs have been murdered by Arab terrorists in the Middle East during the past six months.
In the past six months there have been seven murders and two attempted murders of Arabs by Arabs in Palestine in which a political motive is suspected. In each the victim was or was believed to be concerned in the sale of land to Jews. There is no evidence that anyone was murdered solely on account of opposition to any particular faction. I have no information about incidents of this kind outside Palestine.
Fawzi El Kaukji
27.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how it was that Fawzi Kawkji, emissary of the ex-Mufti' of Jerusalem, who is on the Palestine Government's list of wanted men and who landed at Lydda airport near Jerusalem on his way to Cairo on Saturday, 22nd February, was not arrested by the Palestine authorities.
30.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if the Palestine Government had at any time issued any warrant for the arrest of Fawzi ed-Din Kaukji, or any order forbidding him to enter Palestine.
31.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he wlil make a statement on the arrival of Fawzi ed-Din Kaukji in Egypt; and whether his extradition will be asked for.
I would invite attention to the reply I gave on this subject to my hon. Friend the Member for Central Hackney (Mr. H. Hynd) on 3rd March.
Fawzi El Kaukji is a Lebanese national; and though no order of exclusion from Palestine or warrant of arrest has been issued against him by the Palestine authorities, he was included on the special list for detention on entering Palestine as a person whose presence constituted a serious danger to security. He arrived in Egypt on 23rd February and held a transit visa issued by the Egyptian Consulate in Paris. I understand that he has now reached the Lebanon. It is not intended to request his extradition.Would my right hon. Friend say why no application has been made for this man's extradition in view of the very serious steps he took against the Allies before the war?
The point is that he has already reached the Lebanon and there is no occasion to invite him back into Palestine.
Am I to understand from the right hon. Gentleman's reply that although this man landed in Palestine, because he was not on the list and was a Syrian subject, he was not stopped, or that he would have been stopped if those responsible for security had found out who he was?
It those responsible for security had found out who he was, undoubtedly something would have happened, but he came down to the port of Lydda for one hour only, he was travelling under a different passport and his baggage was marked with a different name.
If it is a tact that had it not been for a failure on the part of the security service he would have been arrested when passing through Palestine, why is it not now intended to press for his extradition from Egypt?
May I ask the Minister to take steps to ensure that in future the Palestine authorities take it upon themselves to ascertain the identity of those people who arrive at airports there so that incidents of this kind cannot occur?
While 1 appreciate that this man has now reached the Lebanon, may I ask whether my right hon. Friend can take any steps in order to have him extradited, not to Palestine but back to Germany, whence he came, so that he may be tried?
Is it not a fact that this gentleman is a Syrian subject, and unless he has committed a murder or something of the kind—[HON. MEMBERS: "He has committed many murders."]—there are no grounds for seeking his extradition?
Would not these attempts to stop illegal immigration into Palestine be more impressive if the two hon. Members who asked these questions were more catholic?
Cyprus
Electricity Supply
34.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, in view of the opinion expressed by the British Goodwill Mission to Cyprus, in paragraphs 211 and 212 of its report on its visit to Cyprus in the spring of 1946, that there is need for a well-organised supply of electricity for pumping water for irrigation and for the needs of light industries, what progress has been made with the plans that were then under consideration; and if an early decision may be expected in regard to the provision of the proposed central power station of a capacity of about 65,000 kilowatts.
A full report on this scheme by the London consulting engineers is under active consideration by the Cyprus Government, whose views on the scheme and its financial implications I expect shortly to receive.
Will the Secretary of State give an assurance that due consideration and priority will be given to this scheme?
It will be most seriously considered.
New Governor
41.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies when it is expected that Lord Winster will take up his duties as Governor of Cyprus.
Lord Winster expects to leave by air to assume duty in Cyprus towards the end of this month.
Can the Secretary of State say why there was such a long delay before Lord Winster took up his duties?
The explanation is quite simple. The late Governor has been on the pay roll until the last week or so.
Why?
Can the Secretary of. State say why Lord Winster has been appointed since he was such a failure as Minister of Civil Aviation?
West Indies
Disturbances, Trinidad
35.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will now make a comprehensive statement on the recent unrest in Trinidad and on the events leading up to the police raid on the oilworkers' union premises; if he is satisfied that the repudiation by the police of responsibility for the destruction of the printing press on these premises is well-founded; and what action is being taken against police or other officials guilty of acts of violence and mass intimidation.
In reply to the first part of my hon. Friend's Question, and to his references to the action taken by the police or other officials, I would refer to the statement I made to the House on 26th February. As regards the alleged destruction of the printing press, I am now informed by the acting Governor that no representations have been received from Butler's Union that the press was damaged and he is entirely satisfied that there is no vestige of truth in the allegation that the police damaged it The five police officers who entered the premises have given definite assurances that they in no way interfered with the press.
Development Schemes, Trinidad
37.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies the estimated total cost of the development schemes for Trinidad; how much of it is proposed to be spent on expansion of social services; and how much on economic and industrial development.
I have as yet received only outline proposals, as a preliminary to a ten-year development plan, and these tentative proposals, in which expenditure of some £13 million is envisaged, have still to be referred to the Legislature of Trinidad. They have been discussed with the new Governor, who will review them in order to secure that the maximum provision is made, within the means available, for works of economic development, including especially the development of local food production and of secondary industries. Pending such review I cannot indicate whether a development plan of the magnitude suggested will be financially possible or the amounts which will be allocated respectively to social services and to economic and industrial development.
Will my right hon. Friend bear in mind the serious industrial disturbances which have occurred in Trinidad since the war, and will he take steps to inaugurate industrial schemes which will tend to solve the difficulties existing there?
Yes, there is a problem of unemployment and we are looking into the whole question of further development.
Will the development plan be shown to the oil companies and will their comment be invited?
I imagine that in the discussions in Trinidad itself the representatives of all interests will have an opportunity of making their views known.
Wireless Licences, Jamaica
42.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies the annual cost of wireless licences in Jamaica; how many licences were issued in 1946; and how this number compares with those issued in 1945 and 1944.
The cost of a wireless receiving licence in Jamaica is ten shillings a year. The number of such licences issued in 1946 was 7,218, compared with 6,725 in 1945, and 7,280 in 1944.
But is this not an extra-ordinarily small number in view of the fact that the population of Jamaica is over one million, and does not the right hon. Gentleman think that something ought to be done about improving the wireless service in Jamaica?
If the hon. Member read the reply I gave a week ago, he will know that experiments are being made and technical improvements are taking place, and the Government are very actively pushing on with improvements to the existing arrangements.
Hong Kong (Chinese Population)
38.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many Chinese, approximately, who arc not British subjects, have emigrated to Hong Kong during and since the war and remainder there as residents; and if those of them who earn considerable incomes pay any direct taxes to the Hong Kong Government.
No accurate figures are available but it is estimated that the total population of Hong Kong, of whom the vast majority are Chinese, has risen since August, 1945, from 700,000 to the 1941 figure of 1,600,000. No direct taxation is at present in force, but projected taxation on earnings and profits will apply to immigrants of all nationalities who have been resident in Hong Kong for longer than 180 days in any one year of assessment.
Can the Minister say whether there is any legal instrument in the hands of the Hong Kong Government to prevent mass immigration on the present scale, and does it not impose on the Government a very great strain which they are doing their utmost—with some success—to deal with?
It is a strain, and the matter is engaging the attention of the Government there.
Is not this increase of immigration due to the fact that this is the only stable part of China?
Does not the Colonial Secretary realise that this great increase in immigration is due to the fact that Hong Kong, under the British flag, is the only island with any security in the whole of that vast country?
Airfields Selection
45.
asked the Prime Minister whether planning authorities and other interested bodies are to be given an opportunity of making representations to the Airfields Selection Committee before land is finally acquired for postwar aerodromes; and if he will state the composition of this committee.
Before decisions are reached about the future of airfields, planning authorities and other interested bodies are being fully consulted by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Town and Country Planning, who will, if necessary, arrange meetings between them and the Departments concerned. As regards the second part of the Question, it depends on the interests involved in each case which Ministers are consulted about the selection of airfields.
Would my right hon. Friend say whether these land areas are covered by the Inter-Departmental Committee and whether a report on them will be included in the forthcoming White Paper?
Perhaps the hon. Member will put that question down.
In view of the great importance of this matter to local authorities, can the right hon. Gentleman indicate whether there will be any machinery of appeal?
The hon. and gallant Gentleman had better put that question down. The general position is as I have stated.
Armed Forces
Deserters (Mines Option)
46.
asked the Minister of Defence if he will consider offering deserters the option of service in the mines as an alternative to returning to the Forces.
I am afraid I could not adopt my hon. Friend's suggestion. Apart from other objections, it would require legislation. A man found guilty of desertion must be dealt with under the Services' disciplinary codes.
Is it not a fact that a good many of these men have expressed their desire to work in the mines and would prefer them to the Services? Would the right hon. Gentleman not consider this again? Such men would be much more useful in the mines than where they are.
That would be a matter on which there would be differences of opinion; there would certainly be a good many in the mining industry itself who would object.
Is it not a fact that the Government are afraid of Mr. Homer?
This Government is not afraid of anything of the sort.
Will the Minister bear in mind that the profession of coalmining is a profession of honour and dignity, and will he not rebut any suggestions by sentimental people that it may properly be used for penal purposes?
Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that there are some men temperamentally unfit for the Services who could serve in the mines, and they are not men who wish to shirk their responsibilities? They would be more useful in the mines. What on earth is the use of sending such men to prison?
I have had to say before that all these questions of desertion cannot be dealt with in general. Every deserter knows what he deserted for, and each case has to be dealt with on its merits—
I said "some."
Those cases can only be dealt with under the Services' disciplinary codes in accordance with the proper legal procedure.
Coalminers
47.
asked the Minister of Defence the number of men now serving in the Forces who have had previous experience in the mining industry.
The approximate numbers of men in the Forces recorded as having had coalmining experience are:
Navy | … | … | 44 |
Army | … | … | 11,600 |
R.A.F. | … | … | 3,700 |
Could my right hon. Friend say whether the offer of release is still open to men who have previously rejected it, in view of the changed circumstances and the fact that they may have altered their minds during the crisis?
Under the bulk Class B release scheme, out of 4,700 who were offered release only 790 accepted. Of course, the nomination scheme is still open to anybody. I should think that if a man who refused release under the bulk release scheme got a nomination from a colliery, there would be no reason why his case should not be reconsidered.
The way is not closed?
No.
In view of the fact that the recognised disciplinary approach to this problem of desertion has not succeeded, would my right hon. Friend consider another approach to the problem?
That does not arise on this Question. I have had correspondence with my hon. Friend on that subject.
Attempted Suicide (Deserters)
48.
asked the Minister of Defence how many deserters from the Army, R.N. and R.A.F. have, upon arrest, either before or after their trials, attempted to commit suicide or otherwise have inflicted personal injuries on themselves during the past six months to the nearest convenient date.
I regret that this information is not available.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that two incidents recently took place at Inglis Barracks, Mill Hill, where two young deserters who had been arrested attempted to commit suicide from dread of military discipline? In cases of this kind where young men prefer to take their lives rather than submit to the discipline of military service, of what value are they to the Services concerned?
I really cannot answer questions in general about individual cases of which I have had no notice. Perhaps my hon. Friend had better put down a question on those cases to the Secretary of State for War.
Long Service (Non-Regulars)
49.
asked the Minister of Defence if he will state the number of non-Regular Service personnel who had completed four years' and three years' service, respectively, on 31st December, 1946.
So far as the Army is concerned I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State for War on 26th November. I am sending him a copy. I regret that comparable figures for the Royal Navy are not available. I will, with permission, circulate details for the Royal Air Force in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
Following are the details:
LENGTH OF SERVICE. | ||
(a) 3 years (including numbers under(b)) | ||
Officers | Other Ranks. | Total. |
15,900 | 86,400 | 102,300 |
(b) 4 years. | ||
Officers. | Other Ranks. | Total |
12,250 | 39,650 | 51,900 |
Young Officers (Marriage Allowance)
50.
asked the Minister of Defence if he will now make a statement about the payment of marriage allowances to officers under 25 years of age.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for War. on 28th February.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that this statement was unsatisfac- tory in that no allowances whatever were made for children, and what possible justification is there for treating officers under 25 differently from those over 25?
I think that my right hon. Friend said that the latter point was under consideration, but in regard to the other matter, we must consider not only the rates of allowances, but also the rates of pay.
Colonial Forces
51.
asked the Minister of Defence in which Colonies it is intended to recruit land and air Forces for service in peacetime outside their home countries; and if he will make a statement on His Majesty's Government's policy concerning the employment of colonial manpower to share in the burdens of Imperial Defence.
The Colonies made a notable contribution to our war effort in the recent struggle; and Colonial Forces served abroad, with great distinction, in a number of campaigns. The help of the Colonies will be needed to ease the burdens of Imperial Defence in the years that lie ahead. Careful consideration is now being given to the form this assistance should take in the future. For the most part, service in peacetime will be confined to the Colony, but the question of service outside the Colony is also being investigated.
Is there likely to be much more delay in reaching this decision? The matter was raised in the House in July of last year.
There is no question of delay about it. The matter is being considered at all times as to how we shall deal with each of the local Forces in each of the areas concerned.
Can the Minister say whether in following this policy of allowing Colonial peoples to play a large part, and their proper part, in Imperial Defence in peacetime, he intends to continue the relaxation of King's Regulations which, for the first time during this war, allowed Africans and West Indians to hold the King's Commission? Will he carry that relaxation over to peace time?
I would like to have a look at that Question on the Paper, if my hon. Friend will put it down.
I put it down some time ago.
When the Minister has come to a conclusion about Dominion and Colonial Defence, will he issue a fresh White Paper on the subject?
I will consider that.
Is it a fact that under one of the regulations of the Indian Army, Indians are now virtually barred from entering Sandhurst?
I could not say without notice.
Could the Minister say if, in the plans for offering facilities to the people of the Colonial Empire, he will consider the possibility of their being able to join the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, apart from being able to enter into regiments locally?
That raises another question and I would not like to deal with it today.
Strengths (Make-Up)
53.
asked the Minister of Defence if he will indicate, in approximate figures, how the estimated strengths of the 182,000 in the R.N., 590,000 in the Army, and 315,000 in the R.A.F. on 31st March, 1948, will be made up as between men and women and as between long-service Regulars short-service Regulars and conscripts.
The numbers of women included in the estimated strengths of the Services on 31st March, 1948, are: 8,250 in the Navy, 14,000 in the Army, and 26,000 in the Air Force. The make up of the total numbers in the respective Services as between long-service Regulars, short-service Regulars and National Servicemen will, in the course of the next 13 months, be subject to many variable factors. I am unable, therefore, to furnish any reliable estimate in answer to the last part of the Question.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that yesterday the Minister of Labour gave a figure of 175,000 as the total call-up for 1947? If that is known, surely he must have some idea, anyway up to the end of the year, of what this proportion will be that is asked for in the last part of the Ques- tion, and cannot he give an estimate as far as he does know it?
No, I could not estimate, because call-up is only one factor in this matter. For instance, we have to consider what the position will be on the voluntary Regular engagements which we hope to get—which are at present below our requirements—and also the percentage of men discharged who are technically or specially trained. I would have to go into that in much more detail, and I am unable to give the details now.
Would my right hon. Friend bear in mind that unless fuller information is given on the lines suggested, it is very difficult for ordinary back bench Members to make any reasonable judgment on the Defence White Paper?
We give the fullest possible information we can.
Will the right hon. Gentleman in his next White Paper, and in subsequent White Papers on Defence, please include these overall figures se that it is not necessary for the House to have to undergo this painful process of extraction by Question?
I will bear it in mind, bearing in mind also security considerations.
Food Supplies
Bread Delivery Charge
54.
asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware of a proposal by Notts (Caterers), Limited, of Letchworth, to make a charge for delivering bread; whether this proposal is in accordance with the regulations. made by his Department; and what steps he proposes to take in connection therewith.
Yes, Sir. I am aware of the proposal. The present position is that the cost of retail deliveries of bread three times a week is provided for in the bread subsidy to the bakers. While, therefore, the proposal to require payment for delivery by the customer is not specifically forbidden by the Bread (Control and Maximum Prices) Order, it is a proposal which my right hon. Friend could not approve without an appropriate reduction of the rate of subsidy. My right hon. Friend will consider this matter with a view to clarifying the position in the near future.
Is the hon. Lady aware that a great many people would gladly pay a small charge to get bread delivered? That would be very much better than having hon. Members of this House sent to fetch the bread.
I think the hon. Gentleman is not talking about the masses. The masses cannot afford to pay an extra amount.
Is the hon. Lady suggesting that I am not one of the masses?
Sweet Ration
55.
asked the Minister of Food in view of the necessity for cutting the total sweet consumption by 50 per cent., what were his reasons for spreading this over all consumers instead of making a 100 per cent. cut. on all adults' and no cut at all on children's rations.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for North Bradford (Mrs. Nichol) on 3rd March of which I am sending him a copy.
Will the hon. Lady dismiss the whole idea altogether? Shall we prohibit kindliness in adults, who often distribute most of their sweet ration to children, on the ground of coal shortage?
Is the hon. Lady not aware that there is far less harm done to adults, particularly where they have artificial teeth, in consuming the sweet ration than there is to children?
Can the hon. Lady give us any indication when this cut will be restored; or, alternatively, when the sugar ration will be increased to compensate for the cut?
I think I made it quite clear to the right hon. Gentleman in my statement that the cut would only cover about two months—[Horn. MEMBERS: "Two months?"] We hope that we shall be able perhaps to give sugar in lieu if our stocks are sufficient in a few months' time.