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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 436: debated on Wednesday 16 April 1947

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Civil Aviation

Air Navigation Order (Amendments)

1.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation how many amendments have been made to the Air Navigation (Consolidation) Order, 1923, S.R. & O., 1923, No. 1508, prior to those contained in S.R. & O., 1947, No. 193; and when it is intended to issue a Consolidated Order.

The text of the Air Navigation (Consolidation) Order, 1923, as amended by thirty-four Orders in Council made to 19th February, 1946, inclusive, was reprinted early last year under the title "Air Navigation (Consolidation) Order, 1923, asamended to 19th February, 1946." No further amendment was made after that date until S.R. & O., 1947, No. 193 A comprehensive Air Navigation Order under the Air Navigation Act, 1947, is in course of preparation, and will be made as soon as practicable.

Beac (Chairman)

2.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation, on what special grounds of wide technical, commercial, aeronautical or other experience did the Minister make the appointment of the new Chairman of B.E.A.C.

The Chairman-designate of the British European Airways Corporation is deemed by my noble Friend the person best fitted for the appointment, having regard to all relevant considerations, including those specified by the hon. Member.

Is the Minister not aware that the early association of this individual with civil aviation came about through the Erlanger and Whitehall Securities Financial Groups, and that the workers of this country have suffered long enough under the rule of privilege and incompetence to justify him looking elsewhere when making his appointments?

If I might say so, that is an unfortunate observation. The gentleman concerned has a very creditable record in civil aviation right from 1935, including the appointment of Commanding Officer of the A.T.A. during the war.

The point I want to make regarding this appointment is that the Minister is here to answer—

May I ask the Parliamentary Secretary whether it is not the case that the gentleman appointed—

May I ask the Parliamentary Secretary if his noble Friend is not aware that these appointments are of tremendous importance at this stage of development of the civil aviation Corporations, and that only qualifications of competence and knowledge of the job should be 'taken into account, and not what a man had done during the war?

It is knowledge and competence which guided my noble Friend in making this appointment.

May I ask the Parliamentary Secretary whether he will bear in mind that many of us on these Benches who had first-hand knowledge of this man during the war, regard this appointment as a very good one?

On a point of Order. Regarding the personal imputation made by the hon. Member opposite, I would point out that it was also made in respect of two firms. Is it in Order, Mr. Speaker, to cast slurs on these firms, and would the Minister make the same remarks on their behalf as he made on behalf of the gentleman in question?

I have no knowledge of the firms. All I am concerned with in this House is with the gentleman who has been appointed to the post. In that regard I would further state that my noble Friend, having made the appointment, is fully prepared to justify and defend it.

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this gentleman ran a most excellent show in the A.T.A. during the war, and that that in itself is a very good recommendation for the appointment?

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the efficiency of the A.T.A. never came up for review in this House, and could not the control of that organisation have been equally well carried out by an officer who had done operational service?

Corporation Staffs

3.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation the present size of the staffs of B.O.A.C., B.E.A.C. and B.S.A.A.C., respectively.

In supplementation of the figures given in the British Overseas Airways Corporation report for the year ended 31st March, 1946, the present number of employees in the three Corporations, including staff locally engaged overseas, are: British Overseas Airways Corporation, 24,497; British European Airways Corporation, 5,731; British South American Airways Corporation, 972.

In view of the Ministry of Labour's Inter-Departmental Report, issued towards the end of the war, which showed that, in the case of B.O.A.C., there was no proper system of staff control, can my hon. Friend say what steps are being taken to see that there is a proper system of staff control applicable to these three Corporations, because of these ever increasing figures of staff?

Staff management in its detail is a matter of management to be decided inside the Corporations. By the express desire of this House, my noble Friend is excluded from the day-to-day management of the Corporations.

Would it not be appropriate for my hon. Friend's noble Friend to take into consideration the fact that the staff should be in proportion to the tasks which the Corporations have to perform?

Yes, Sir, and it will be in order for this House to do so when the annual statement is before it for discussion.

Continental Services

4.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation when he intends to inaugurate direct air services between the Ringway airport of Manchester and Continental cities; and if he will now publish the routes and separate dates of inauguration.

As I stated on 30th October, 1946, in my reply to a similar Question by the hon. Member, British European Airways Corporation plans to start services to the Continent of Europe from different cities in the United Kingdom as soon as the necessary aircraft and ground facilities can be made available. The setbacks in the delivery of Viking aircraft have materially affected the programme of the Corporation, and decisions cannot yet be taken as to the dates or routes on which Continental services can be inaugurated.

Does the Minister realise that Manchester is a great centre of our export trade, and will he get the matter speeded up as much as possible?

Yes, Sir. But in fairness to the hon. Gentleman who put the Question down, I think I ought to make it clear that the first allocation of Vikings will be made to the Continental service from London, and not to the services from the provinces.

Us Aircraft Orders

5.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he will make a statement giving a complete list of U.S. aircraft on order for British air Corporations or about to he ordered.

There are six Boeing Stratocruisers on order for the British Overseas Airways Corporation, and three Sikorsky S.51 helicopters for the British European Airways Corporation. An order for two Bell type 47B helicopters also for the British European Airways Corporation is about to be placed. No further United States aircraft orders have been authorised on behalf of British air Corporations.

Does that mean that the Ministry does not intend to order Constellations fitted with British engines?

I could not give that undertaking. As a result of exploratory exchanges between the Bristol Aeroplane Company and the Lockheed Corporation, a proposal has been received for the development of a new version of the Constellation aircraft powered with Bristol Centaurus engines. The merits of the project, and the commitments which would be involved, are under examination by the Corporations concerned, in consultation with my Department and the Ministry of Supply. It would be premature to make any statement at the pre-sent time. I need hardly repeat, however, that it is the policy of my noble Friend that British aircraft should be employed on British airlines to the maximum extent practicable.

Yes, Sir. The information has already been given to the House. For the Stratocruisers it is about 12 million dollars, for the Sikorsky helicopters it is £15,000 each, and for the Bell, £7,000 each.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say why it is possible to publish particulars of American aircraft and not of British aircraft?

I cannot answer that question beyond saying that we do know the cost of this because it is a direct purchase.

Night-Flying Tests

6.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he is satisfied that the pilot's B licences in night-flying test, as laid down, are reasonable; and, in view of what happened to the four pilots carrying out these tests on 15th January, r947, if he will review the whole matter.

The night-flying tests for a pilot's B licence, which are laid down by paragraph 99(1)(f) of the Air Navigation Directions, 1936, are under review.

Will the hon. Gentleman bear in mind the fact that the tests now laid down are out of date, are useless, and are dangerous to the pilots?

The tests which were given up to a little while ago have been discontinued pending the review which is going on. All that is now required are night take-offs and night landings, under the supervision of a staff pilot of the Ministry.

Yorkshire

7.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Civil Aviation why no proposals have yet been made by his department for an airport and air service for the Leeds, Bradford, and heavy woollen district of the West Riding of Yorkshire; whether the proposed extension of the Yeadon airport has been finally rejected; and whether he will bear in mind that an airport at Doncaster will not provide the service required.

The only airport in the Leeds-Bradford area is Yeadon which is at present unsuitable for regular scheduled services. A detailed engineering survey, which has not yet been carried out owing to shortage of staff, will be completed as soon as possible to determine whether Yeadon can be improved to the necessary standard, and at what cost. The answer to the second part of the Question is "No, Sir." As regards the third part my noble Friend recognises that the distance of Doncaster from Leeds and Bradford is a disadvantage.

Can the Parliamentary Secretary say how long these considerations will continue, in view of the fact that his Department have been going into them for the last 12 months?

The staff available for carrying out these work surveys are limited, and they have to take them in order of precedence. Yeadon is fairly high in the list, and we hope it will be undertaken fairly shortly.

Can the Parliamentary Secretary say whether there are any prospects that the Yeadon airport can be made into an all-weather airport?

That, Sir, will be one of the considerations of the investigations. I think I ought to say that it is a very difficult airport, and that the installation of both S.B.A. and S.C.S. 51 will present some difficulty, but they will be included within the survey and in the recommendations arising from it.

Can the Minister tell us when the Ministry are going to make up their minds whether or not they want Doncaster airport? If they do want it, we want to know when it is to be taken over. If they do not want it, we should like to put the land to better use.

That is an entirely different question, and if the hon. Gentleman will put it down, I will give it consideration,

The hon. Gentleman's Ministry have been considering it for the last 18 months.

Germany

Control Commission (Staff Redundancy)

8.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster what was the total cost to the taxpayer of the 223 Control Commission for Germany employees who were engaged, but did not take up their posts in Germany.

The gross cost of these appointments, terminated as a result of reductions in the establishment of the Commission, was £8,702.

Can the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster say who is responsible for this waste of the taxpayers' money, and whether disciplinary action will be taken against those responsible? Does he not realise that if someone got the sack for these misdemeanours, these things would not happen so often?

I do not think it is correct to say that this is a result of misdemeanours. It has been a considerable task to set up the vast organisation necessary at the beginning of the occupation of Germany. It had to be done rapidly and involved many thousands of people being recruited at short notice. There were a number of factors which intervened, including the slower run-out of military Forces, the difficulty of finding accommodation suitable for the new personnel, and, subsequently, the very heavy cuts which were made in the establishment.

Is not this an example of the result of recruitment of officials by bulk purchase?

Special Police Corps

9.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster if the terms of a recent questionnaire submitted to all members of the Special Police Corps of the Control Commission for Germany indicate an intention of the authorities to reduce the establishment of that corps; and if he will give an undertaking that no engagements will be terminated so as to prejudice the pension rights of any police officer in respect of former police employment in this country or in respect of pension rights at the end of the term which he originally contracted to serve in the corps when appointed.

Heavy Industry (Nationalisation)

10.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster if he will now make a statement about the nationalisation of heavy industry in the British zone of Germany.

I regret that I am not in a position to make a statement at the present time.

Does my hon. Friend realise that there is a very considerable uncomfortable feeling in this House and elsewhere that this policy, which was announced six months ago by my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary, has been shelved owing to external pressure on this country?

I do not know whether it is correct to talk in terms of external pressure. Certain complications have arisen since the last statements which were made in connection with this matter, which have delayed it, but have not in any way held up the proposals which are being examined at the moment.

Will the hon. Gentleman give an assurance, in view of the increasing ties between our zone and the American zone, that he will ensure the closest harmony between the Americans and ourselves in this and all other matters?

This is a matter which refers only to the British zone and does not affect the Americans or American administration.

Can the hon. Gentleman give us the assurance that 'it is the intention of the Government to proceed with this nationalisation?

Yes, Sir. That assurance has already been given. I would like to make it clear that the considerations which are involved at present are technical considerations not affecting policy.

Has the hon. Gentleman yet found out on what principle, either of international law or of democracy, there can be any right thus to nationalise industries in military occupied territory?

I do not know that the question of international law comes into this. The Government of Germany at the moment is not a German Government. The Government is in the hands of the occupying Forces and the Commander-in-Chief is the authority in his own zone. It is necessary that he should organise affairs, economic and otherwise, in that zone as efficiently as possible.

Is it a fact that the Russians have put a stop to nationalisation in their own zone because they want reparations paid?

The Question relates only to the nationalisation of industry in the British zone.

Will my hon. Friend make a statement which will give an indication of the difficulties which have been met? So far, several questions have been asked and no statement at all has been made.

Will the Minister bear in mind that all the established political parties in Germany thoroughly approve the idea of nationalisation of heavy industries in the Ruhr?

So far as statements have been made by the political parties, I think the suggestion in the last supplementary question is substantially correct. In regard to the other supplementary question, I am afraid I cannot say more than I have said, that certain problems are being examined. In reply to the preceding question, the answer is that it is a matter for the Russian zone, and I cannot answer for them.

Nazi Leaders' Fortunes

11.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster what are the amounts of the private fortunes, seized by the Allies, of Himmler, Goebbels, Hess, Von Papen, Schacht, Schmidt and each of the Nazi criminals executed under the Nuremburg verdicts, respectively; and to what purpose they have been devoted.

The amounts seized in the British zone of Germany are as follow:

  • Ribbentrop, Rm. 690,000.
  • Von Papen, Rm. 721,000.
  • Rosenberg, Rm. 657,000.
  • Keitel, Rm. 1,045,000.
  • Doenitz, Rm. 153,000.
  • Goering, Rm. 4,000,000.
British inquiries have so far failed to trace any assets outside Germany which can be established as the personal property of any of the Nazis in question. Full details of what additional amounts have been discovered by the Allied Powers in the other zones of Germany or outside Germany are not yet available. The amounts seized in the British zone are being held under control, pending quadripartite decision as to their disposal.

Can the Minister tell us whether the sums that have been seized from these Nazi criminals are being devoted to relieving the plight of the German people, and thus relieving the British taxpayer?

No, Sir. The answer I have given is that the disposal of these assets is a matter for quadripartite agreement, and no agreement has yet been reached.

12.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster to what purpose Goering's bank balances and securities, to the nominal value of 4,000,000 Reichmarks, seized inside the British zone, have been devoted.

The amounts are being held under control pending quadripartite decision as to their final disposal.

Housing Requisition

13.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster if any planned scheme exists for the requisitioning of German homes for English families; what becomes of the evacuated families; and whether they are allowed to keep their furniture and the gardens attached to their homes.

Normally requisitioning takes place only after consultation with the German housing authorities, who are responsible for providing suitable alternative accommodation for displaced Germans.. As for the second part of the Question, I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave on 19th March to my hon. Friend the Member for West Leyton (Mr. Sorensen).

While I did not hear the Minister's reply, I would like to ask him to bear in mind that the apparently indiscriminate requisitioning of houses in Germany has done almost more than anything else to lower British prestige and justice in the eyes of the Germans.

There is no indiscriminate requisitioning On the contrary, the difficulties in accommodating our own people are very much wrapped up in this question, and the fullest possible consideration is given to German accommodation.

Correspondence Censorship

14.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster under what regulations letters from the British zone of Germany addressed to Members of this House are censored; and if he will issue instructions forbidding this practice.

The regulations in question are laid down by quadripartite agreement and are applicable to the private correspondence of Germans in all four zones of occupation. It would clearly lead to difficulties if I introduced exceptions in the British zone.

Food Parcels (Distribution)

15.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster whether he will arrange for parcels of food sent to Germany for distribution among displaced persons by the British Red Cross to be earmarked for a particular nationality at the request of the sender.

As I stated in my reply to the hon. Member on 2nd April, distribution of these food parcels is a matter for the British Red Cross who allocate them to those whose need is greatest. I know of no grounds which would justify my seeking to influence these arrangements.

Does not the Chancellor think that if people in this country want to give part of their rations, for example, to people displaced from the Baltic countries, some means ought to be found of allowing them to do so?

; As I say, the arrangements are a matter for the Red Cross authorities, and, while I would not like to make any official comment on these arrangements, I think it should be regarded as equitable that the supplies should go to the parts where the need is greatest. In so far as the Baltic displaced persons are in need, I think their needs are provided for.

Poles

16.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster what steps he is taking to ensure that Polish recalcitrants sent to Germany shall have an opportunity to earn an honest living and that they do not resort to crime or join any Fascist or semi-Fascist organisations there; what will be done to authorise their passage to other zones or to prevent unauthorised passage; and whether he has the assent of the authorities in the other zones to any arrangements he is making.

On arrival in the British zone of Germany, these Poles will be demobilised and required to register at German labour offices, which may direct them to employment. They will then be subject to the same regulations regarding employment and travel, and liable to the same penalties for criminal or subversive activities, as the ordinary German population. Demobilisation of these Poles is taking place in the British zone only, and the authorities in the other zones haw not been consulted.

Does not the Minister recognise that there are special dangers in connection with people who will not live in Poland, in putting them in a country where they cannot even speak the language, with no particular ties, where they are very likely to get into bad company or to get into neighbouring zones? Will he take special precautions?

Yes, we are acutely aware of the difficulties arising from these situations and from these foreign elements in the German population. Therefore, they come under the restrictions to which I have referred, and which I can assure my hon. and learned Friend are very rigid.

Can the hon. Gentleman tell us what category of Poles is constituted by the term "recalcitrants"?

I am not responsible for the term which is used in the Question, but I gathered that it referred to those Poles in this country who are not prepared to join the Polish Resettlement Corps, nor to accept repatriation.

On a point of Order, Mr. Speaker. May I seek your advice and ask whether it is in Order to put down a Question in which an adjective of a hostile and unflattering description such as this is used in connection with people who are merely doing what they have been publicly told they can do, and that is to opt not to return to Poland? It does appear to be a grave misuse of the opportunities of Debate and Question in this House to put down a Question using such a word.

I do not know how the Oxford Dictionary would describe the word "recalcitrant." I do not think it is a particularly offensive word. It passed the Table and, therefore, I think I am satisfied that it is in Order.

Further to that point of Order. Is it in Order to insinuate, as is insinuated here, that these men might wish to join a Fascist or a semi-Fascist organisation, in view of the fact that they are members of a country which was an Ally of ours from the first days of the war to the last?

The hon. Member who puts down the Question is entirely responsible for what is in it.

Has the hon. Member any ground whatever to suppose that any of our gallant Allies would resort to crime, as suggested in this very disgraceful manner?

Screening

17.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster if he will publish in HANSARD, in tabular form, the results of the latest screening of German prisoners at Radwinter Youth Camp, showing the numbers of prisoners in the various categories from A to C+ before and after this screening.

Would my hon. Friend say whether that table will show that satisfactory progress is being made in this very important experiment?

I think that when my hon. Friend reads the figures in the table he will be satisfied that considerable progress has been made.

Following is the table:

GRADING OF GERMAN PRISONERS OF WAR AT RADWINTER YOUTH CAMP.
Category.Number in each category.
Before the latest screening on 22.2.47.After the latest screening on 22.2.47.
White—A576
Grey—B438823
Black—C203124
Ardent Nazis—C+34326
Unscreened60
Total1,0491,049

Looted Art Treasures

18.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster what has become of all the art treasures, tapestries and other valuables looted by the Nazis and found by the Allies in Karinhall, Goering's country mansion in the Schorfheide; whether they have been sold; and to what purpose the proceeds have been devoted.

No information has been received regarding the disposal of art treasures found in Karinhall, which is in the Soviet zone. A number of art treasures which had been removed by Goering from Karinhall to South Germany were recovered. These have not been sold, but are being restored under the agreed restitution procedure to the Governments of those countries from which they were removed.

Will the Chancellor of the Duchy say whether he has made any approaches to our Allies to find out whether they have seized this property, and what they have done with it?

As Karinhall is in the Soviet zone I do not think it is for us to suggest that treasures might be going to particular parts. It is for our Allies to announce.

With regard to goods recovered in the Southern district mentioned by the Minister, will he see that they are not only restored to the Governments concerned, but to the original owners, whether museums or private owners?

I do not know whether I can go so far as to dictate to the Governments concerned, but I will certainly look at the point.

Has any request been received from our Soviet Ally for the services of those British nationals who were entertained at Karinhall before the war, in order to identify the art treasures concerned?

Russian-Born British Wives

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if the Soviet Government have given permission to Soviet women married to Britons to join their husbands; and if it has given permission to Soviet women to marry British men.

In the past permission has been given to a number of Soviet women married to Britons to join their husbands, but there are, as the House is aware, at the present time 15 such wives to' whom permission has not been granted. Formerly, Soviet women were free to marry British men, but by a Decree of the Praesidium of the Supreme Council of the U.S.S.R., dated 15th February, 1947, marriages between citizens of the U.S.S.R. and foreigners are now prohibited.

Is it not a fact that at least one of these marriages took place before that date, and that one of these gentlemen was specifically given a Soviet visa to go to Russia in order to marry?

I should be surprised it all the marriages had not taken place before this date.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether this is a new thing in international relations, a general forbidding of marriages between the nationals of two friendly States?

I have such respect for the hon. Member's ability in research that I should like notice of that question.

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is in a position to make a further report on the representations which have been made by him to the Government of the U.S.S.R. regarding the release of the Soviet wives of British Servicemen, who are at present detained in the U.S.S.R.

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what were the reasons given by the Soviet Government for refusing to allow visas to the Soviet-born wives of Britons; and what further steps he is proposing to take in this matter.

No reason has been given by the Soviet Government for withholding exit visas from these Soviet wives. The hon. Members will almost certainly have seen that I drew to Mr. Kuznetsov's attention, before his departure, the widespread interest taken in this country in this question, and I am confident that he will so report on his return to the U.S.S.R.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that this action by the Soviet Government means that they have decided deliberately to divorce themselves from the long-established practice of civilised international procedure?

Is the Minister aware that these women were married under Soviet law, and that at that time their husbands were given no indication whatsoever that there would be any difficulty in their leaving the country; and that, furthermore, some Soviet women have left the Soviet Union to come to this country to join their husbands who are British subjects?

I am aware that Soviet women have previously been allowed to leave their country to join their husbands here. I am also aware that there was no ban at the time of the marriage. It is for these reasons that His Majesty's Government have pressed so forcefully and persistently for this.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that two of the reasons given to me when I was in Moscow last year were: First, that those wives who have been allowed to come to this country have been ill-treated by their British husbands; and second, that the Soviet authorities wanted the best type of Soviet women to come over here, and that the British husbands had evidently not chosen the best type?

I think I ought to say that, happily, this Government have not yet added to their burdens by seeking to approve spouses that may be chosen by British subjects.

British Embassy, Moscow (Employee)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if the wife of Sergeant J. E. Bolton, 102, Falkland Road, N.8, is still employed by the British Embassy in Moscow; or for what reason she is no longer employed there.

His Majesty's Embassy in Moscow were informed in February by the Soviet authorities that Mrs. Bolton could not be registered for employment with the Embassy. Requests for reconsideration have been unsuccessful. Mrs. Bolton has not yet been replaced, however, and she still remains, therefore, with the Embassy.

Does the right hon. Gentleman attach any special significance to the fact that this woman's licence to work in the British Embassy has been withdrawn?

I do not know what I am being invited to infer. The fact is, as I understand it, that unless this or any other woman is registered by the Protocol Department for employment of this kind, we cannot employ her. I cannot add anything to that.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that whilst it was granted before, it has now been withdrawn, and does he attach any special significance to the fact that it has been withdrawn?

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether Mrs. Bolton is, in fact, a British subject?

Anglo-Iranian Oilfields

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will publish the report on labour conditions in the Anglo-Iranian oilfields which was made to him by the three Members of this House, following a special advisory mission in June, 1946.

The valuable reports rendered to my right hon. Friend by the hon. Members, which were not confined to the question of labour conditions, were in the nature of confidential reports, and I do not, therefore, consider that it would be appropriate to publish them.

China (British Embassy)

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs when he' proposes to appoint an agricultural attaché to His Majesty's Embassy in China.

In view of the need for economy in trained manpower 'and in foreign exchange, I do not think that such an appointment could be justified in present circumstances.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that Chinese Government spokesmen have been asking for this kind of agricultural attaché; that the United States Embassy has had an agricultural attaché for many months, who has done such good work in China that he is extending United States influence in a most beneficent way; and is not that an example we might well follow?

I am very ready to discuss this proposal with my hon. Friend. However, I know he appreciates that our exchange difficulties and manpower difficulties are very real at present.

British Embassy, Rome

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs why it is proposed to build new embassy offices and residence at Rome at an estimated cost of 350,000.

The old residence is unsuitable for modern residential needs, and has for some years been used as offices. It is inadequate, however, for the present staff of the Embassy, and is not suitable for modern office needs. It was, moreover, damaged by a bomb explosion in October last. Temporary arrangements for housing the Ambassador and the offices have been made, but it will be necessary to provide permanent quarters.

Colonial Empire

Annual Reports

26.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what progress has been made in preparing the comprehensive handbooks, one for each Colony, with comparative facts and figures for different periods, promised by his predecessor in reply to the hon. Member for Swindon.

The publication of Annual Reports on Colonial Territories is being resumed in the new form to which I referred in my reply to my hon. Friend's Question on 30th October. Reports for the year 1946, which, I hope, will include brief reviews covering the period during which the issue of these Reports has been suspended, are being prepared by Colonial Governments, and will be published as soon as possible.

Interned Civil Servants (Salaries)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies on what authority 10 per cent. was deducted from the salaries of Malaya and Hong Kong civil servants during their internment by the Japanese.

Payment of the salaries of interned civil servants less the deduction referred to was authorised by my predecessor in 1945 on behalf of the Civil Governments of Malaya and Hong Kong prior to their re-establishment. There was not at that time any legal authority for the payment of the salaries of Malayan officers, but the payments actually made were validated by legislation enacted after the re-establishment of civil government. The reasons for making the deduction were explained in a memorandum issued in April, 1946, a copy of which I am sending to the hon. Member. Certain representations recently made to me in this matter are now under consideration.

Would the right hon. Gentleman say why the civilian internees had a cut in their pay, whereas the military prisoners of war did not? Would he also say why Europeans were treated far more generously in this matter than Asiatic employees?

That raises a much larger question than the Question on the Order Paper.

Export Duties

29.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps are taken in respect of goods imported by Britain from the Colonies to ensure that colonial export duties levied before or after prices have been agreed on with the British Government for such imports, are not paid by British consumers.

Where prices are agreed for bulk purchase transactions on a Government to Government basis, it is normally understood, if it is not provided for specifically in a contract, that no increase will be made in the existing rate of export duty except for seller's account, or, if the duty is paid by the purchasing Ministry, with that Ministry's prior agreement.

In regard to tea, the price is determined by the world market, and in any case the Ceylon Government had the right to impose duties, because contracts had expired.

With regard to Copra, will the right hon. Gentleman reply to the last part of the supplementary question? Is it not a fact that a 50 per cent. export duty on copra, imposed after the five-year contract had been signed, is costing this country £15 a ton?

It is quite true that the Ministry of Food had a contract with the Ceylon Government on a f.o.b. basis which did not specifically cover this duty point.

African Colonies

Hausa Broadcasts

28.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies for what reasons it is found impracticable to broadcast in Hausa to the 10,000,000 Hausa-speaking peoples in British West Africa; and how soon the matter will be reconsidered.

Broadcasts in Hausa are already made over rediffusion systems from six stations in Nigeria, and it is hoped to provide this year three new stations, all in the Northern Provinces.

The resumption of Hausa broadcasts from the Gold Coast is also being considered. The question of arranging broadcasts in Hausa from London will be kept under review. At present there is an insufficient number of receiving sets in the Northern Provinces of Nigeria to justify the use of staff and wavelengths urgently required for other services.

Does riot the Secretary of State think that a supply of broadcasts would create a demand for sets? Has should be made available for the Hausais understood by more British subjects, outside India, than any other language, except, of course, English?

I think the hon. Member will appreciate that I am most anxious that broadcast arrangements should be made available for the Hausa speaking peoples, and that, therefore, I am doing all I can to extend this particular service.

Palm Kernels And Rice

30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether standard prices are still fixed for palm kernels and rice in Sierra Leone; whether the quota system is still applied to the production of these commodities; and whether farmers are still required to barter their produce in return for manufactured goods, as was the case during the war.

Standard buying prices are fixed for these commodities in Sierra Leone. The quota system is not applied to the production of palm kernels. Rice producing chiefdoms are required to sell a small proportion of their production to the Government at the standard price. Since 1945, farmers have not been required to barter their produce for manufactured goods.

Is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that the system he described is no longer giving rise to serious local shortages, as was alleged some time ago?

Can the right hon. Gentleman say how long the rice levy is to be maintained to feed the population of Sierra Leone?

At the moment there is only a very small proportion of the crops which the respective chiefdoms surrendered. At the moment it is a precautionary measure, and will not stay longer than is absolutely necessary.

31.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the Association of West African Merchants and other firms are still operating as agents for the Government in handling rice and palm kernels produced in Sierra Leone; and what commission has been paid to these firms for their services up to date.

Firms who are members of the Association of West African Merchants and other firms operate for the Government of Sierra Leone in handling rice and are paid a commission of 5 per cent. The amount thus paid out since 1944 is £23,855. In the case of palm kernels, merchant firms act as agents of the West African Produce Control Board. Between 1st September, 1942, and 30th August, 1945, purchases by merchants from producers were regulated by quotas, and the firms remunerated on a cost-plus-profit basis, the amount paid out being £46,530. On 1st September, 1945, quotas were abolished, and the price at which the Board bought from the merchants was fixed at £2 13s. 6d. per ton above the minimum price at which the merchant might buy from the producer.

Import Restriction

32.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the right to import into West Africa is still restricted to the Association of West African Merchants and other firms on the basis of their past performance for 1937–41; and when he expects to be able to end this system.

No, Sir. The issue of import licences is no longer restricted, as a general rule, to firms that can prove past trade, though the restriction is still in force in at any rate one West African colony for a limited range of scarce commodities. All colonial governments are aware of the desirability of ending this restriction as soon as circumstances permit.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say that equal trade facilities will be granted to non-British trading firms?

Coal, Southern Nigeria

37.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether deposits of good quality coal exist at Udi, Southern Nigeria; and what steps are being taken to exploit the resources of this coalfield.

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Altrincham and Sale (Mr. Erroll) on 12th March. In addition to the measures referred to in that reply, I am arranging for the Government of Nigeria to obtain expert advice from this country on the development of the existing colliery.

Can the Minister also arrange for the Minister of Fuel and Power to go out and investigate these deposits?

Malaya (Medical Service)

33.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies the total number of officers and other grades of European origin and of non-European origin employed in the Malayan Medical Service at 1st January, 1946, and at 28th February, 1947, respectively; and the ratio of increase of salaries to compensate increased cost of living that is being paid to the members of this service.

The information requested in the first part of the hon. Member's Question is not immediately available in this country. I have, therefore, asked the Governors for a Report, and will write to the hon. Member when I receive it. As regards the last part of the Question, a cost of living allowance is payable to European and Asiatic officers alike. I am sending the hon. Member a copy of a statement giving details of this allowance, from which he will see that it is calculated on a basis which cannot be expressed as a ratio of salary. All public salaries in Malaya are to be reviewed by a commis- sion, whose investigations will begin this month.

Is the Secretary of State aware that any breakdown in the Malayan health service at the present juncture, particularly when there is a great deal of disease there, would be a disaster? Would he see that the discontent in the service is promptly dealt with, so that we carry out our first obligation?

That matter is well in hand now that the salaries commission has been appointed. It will start its investigations straight away.

Would the right hon. Gentleman put into the OFFICIAL REPORT the information he said he was going to give to the hon. Gentleman opposite?

35.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps are being taken to increase and improve the Malayan Medical Service and to retain its present members; and whether he will consider offering the necessary inducements to service medical men stationed in Malaya to encourage them to join the Malayan Medical Service rather than to return to this country.

As regards improvements in the Malayan Medical Service, I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to a Question by the hon. Member for Croydon, South (Mr. Rees-Williams), on 24th February, and to a Question by the hon. and learned Member for North Hammersmith (Mr. Pritt), on 19th March. With regard to the second part of the Question, inducements are offered to Servicemen by allowing increments of salary in respect of the years spent on war service.

Will the Secretary of State see that further real inducements are given? Otherwise there is considerable danger of the medical services being seriously depleted and breaking down

Hong Kong (Government Services)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps are being taken to augment the strained Government services, including police, medical and social welfare in Hong Kong, to cope with the increased population.

Additional staff has been engaged for the police, and additional nursing staff is being engaged. Other measures which assist in meeting the situation include the modernisation of police equipment and the intensive training of new recruits, the establishment of temporary hospitals, the increase of facilities for public inoculation, and the setting up of a Social Welfare Department.

In view of the Secretary of State's recent statement that there are over a million new inhabitants in Hong Kong, will he see that really adequate large-scale measures are taken, and not merely those which, up to date, have been really insufficient to cope with the job?

There is great strain on the services, but there are signs at the moment that the population is slackening a bit.

41.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is now in a position to make a statement concerning the general situation in Hong Kong, especially in regard to the large influx of Chinese and the heavy increased cost for services, etc., that in consequence fall upon the Colony; what steps it is proposed to take to raise money in rates and taxes from these Chinese migrants; and, in view of the peculiar conditions prevailing in China, if special expert attention is being paid to these problems

I would invite reference to my replies to Questions on 5th and nth March, regarding the influx of Chinese and also taxation. I have nothing to add at the moment. I can assure the hon. Member that the conditions prevailing in China are taken into account in dealing with these problems.

In view of the great importance of the position in Hong Kong, will the Minister consider laying a White Paper dealing with the whole matter?

I am not clear that a White Paper is called for, but I shall be very happy to provide my hon. Friend with any information on the situation which he may wish to have.

Cocos-Keeling Islands

36.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies in view of the fact that the majority of the coconut trees on the Cocos-Keeling Islands have been cut down to make new runways for the R.A.F., what steps have been taken to develop alternative industries which, by export, may ensure the subsistence of the inhabitants of the islands.

The Governor of Singapore informs me that 250 acres on one of the Cocos-Keeling Islands, about one-sixth of the total productive area of the group were cleared of coconut trees for an airstrip. He adds, however, that this has not materially affected total exports of copra, since export from the island in question has never been found very economical. The possibility of establishing subsidiary industries in the Cocos-Keeling Islands is being explored.

Has this reduction in area meant the removal of any of the inhabitants to the mainland?

That is a point that is under consideration now, and I believe it is possible that very shortly some hundreds will move away to the mainland.

Seychelles Fisheries

39.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what sum has been allocated in the 10-year development plan for the Seychelles for the development of fisheries.

The amount allotted to fisheries in the draft plan is £10,000. This plan is, however, still under consideration in the Colony, and therefore subject to modification.

Bermuda Workers' Petition

40.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will now make a statement regarding the petition which was presented by the Bermuda Workers' Association on 1st November, 1946, relating to conditions in Bermuda.

Yes, Sir. I have been in communication with the Governor of Bermuda regarding this petition and have now asked him to invite the Legislature of Bermuda to take it into consideration. Meanwhile the Bermuda Workers' Association are being informed that this has been done and that I will make my reply to the petition in due course in the light of the results of its examination by the Colonial Legislature and of the Governor's observations upon them. I am presenting the correspondence in a Command Paper which is now available in the Vote Office.

Royal Navy (Improvements)

43.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty the names of those ships which have been equipped, since 23rd October, 1946, with galleys up to the U.S. standard.

As the reply is rather long and contains a nominal list, I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the list:

The chief difference between the galleys in His Majesty's surface ships and corresponding ships of the U.S. Navy during recent years has been that our ships had oil-fired ranges and the American ships electric ranges. Electric ranges are, however, now being installed in His Majesty's ships under construction or undergoing refit, although in the latter case such factors as space, additional load on the ships' electricity generating plant besides supply difficulties with the ranges themselves, have effected the rate of introduction.

A total of 50 ships are now fitted with electric galley ranges of which the following have been so equipped since 23rd October, 1946:

Aircraft Carrier: "Magnificent."
Cruisers: "Birmingham," "Devonshire," "London."
Destroyers: "Agincourt," "Aisne,"
"Barrosa," "Jutland," "Matapan,"Solebay."
Depot Ship: "Woolwich."

In addition, other improvements such as the provision of more modern steam cooking equipment, additional domestic machinery and refrigerated storage are being made as far as possible concurrently with the work of fitting electric cooking

equipment. His Majesty's submarines have always had electric galley ranges.

44.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty the names of those ships in which improvements in air-conditioning have taken place since 3rd July, 1946.

Since 3rd July, 1946, improvements in air-conditioning have been made in 24 H.M. ships in service, details of which, I will, with permission, circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

I cannot give the exact number of ships, but it is proposed to increase this number as and when we possibly can.

Following is the list:

Aircraft Carriers: "Formidable," "Theseus."
Cruisers: "Achilles," "Australia," "Belfast," "Euryalus," "London," "Newcastle," "Phoebe," "Sussex," "Sheffield."
Destroyers: "Aisne," "Barossa," "Concord," "Consort," "Conus," "Dunkirk," "Gabbard," "Gravelines," "Saintes," "Sluys," "St. James."
Submarine Depot Ship: "Montclare." Repair Ship: Alaunia."

Armed Forces

Disabled Personnel (Discharge)

45.

asked the Minister of Defence if he will arrange with the Service Ministers to retain in the Services and in uniform officers, non-commissioned officers and other ranks, who are still undergoing plastic and other more or less continuous treatment for severe wounds and mutilation, having regard, particularly, to the bad psychological effect of discharging these men before their treatment is completed.

Personnel suffering from disabilities attributable to or aggravated by service are at present retained in the Services, in uniform, until medical or surgical finality is reached, within an overriding time limit of 4- years. I am glad to say that in future, however, such men will not be discharged from the Services until their treatment is completed, provided that there is a prospect of this within a predictable time.

We shall not adhere to the 2½ year limit in future, but will keep men in the Service except in those cases where finality of the treatment is unpredictable.

Evt Text-Books

46.

asked the Minister of Defence if he will have investigations made about text-books now surplus to the requirements of the E.V.T. scheme in the Forces; and if he will make these books available for use in schools in this country.

Over 50,000 surplus E.V.T. text-books have already been provided for use by the Ministry of Education, and this practice will certainly continue.

Compulsory Service

47.

asked the Minister of Defence whether he will give an assurance that the Government's decision to reduce the period of fulltime compulsory military service laid down in the National Service Bill from 18 months to 12 months will not entail any men at present serving in the Forces, or about to be called up for service, remaining in the Forces for a longer period than would have been the case had the original term of 18 months been maintained.

Has the Minister considered the question of the young lads being called up this year for two years' service, and is there a corresponding reduction proposed by the Government in their service?

The answer I have given is the only one which I can give at the present time.

Food Supplies

Meat Issue, Meriden

48.

asked the Minister of Food why he has compelled butchers in the Meriden rural district to accept, as part of the meat ration, animal tissue described as "New Zealand boneless cow;" whether he is aware that the butchers refused to supply this to their customers but are required to pay the same price for it as for meat; and whether he will permit this tissue to be sold for dogs and cats and provide meat of fair quality to cover the ration.

This meat was issued in error. I have given instructions that in future it will be used only for manufacturing purposes.

Will the butchers be required to pay for this meat issued in error, or will the amount be refunded?

I will make inquiries on that, but I should have thought it would be refunded.

Civic Restaurants

49.

asked the Minister of Food what is the policy of his Department in regard to the continuance of British Restaurants, in view of the fact that no further financial help is available to them.

As my hon. Friend may recollect, the Civic Restaurants Act lays the financial responsibility for these restaurants upon local authorities. I hope and believe that local authorities will make the fullest possible use of their new powers to run restaurants.

Seized Goods {Indemnity)

50.

asked the Minister of Food what were the terms of the indemnity required, as a condition of payment for goods seized by him under the Seizure of Food Orders, 1942 and 1946, from defendants acquitted or not prosecuted after the seizure; why he sought indemnity; and why he withheld payment pending receipt of indemnity.

I am sending the hon. Member a copy of the form of indemnity which has been used by my Department since 1942. Its purpose is to ensure that the proceeds of sale are returned to the legal owner, and it offers a much simpler method of doing this than if formal proof of ownership had to be given and verified.

What does the Minister want proof of ownership for, when he has seized the goods from the owner?

Dog Biscuits

51.

asked the Minister of Food whether he is aware that dog biscuits are unobtainable in the Leicester area; whether they are in short supply over the whole country; and what possibility there is of an increase, in view of the fact that they are the staple diet of dogs at the present time.

There have been shortages of dog biscuits in some parts of the country, including Leicester, because of fuel cuts at the factories and transport difficulties during the severe weather, this should right itself now.

Will the Minister be good enough to speed the matter up, particularly in view of the fact that people are afraid that their dogs will suffer and prosecutions may possibly be taken against some?

Is it not a fact that the shortage in Leicester is very largely because human beings are eating dog biscuits?

Are not too many of these dog biscuits going to feed the political jingoes to whom the Chancellor of the Exchequer referred?

Miners (Army Surplus Food)

52.

asked the Minister of Food (r) what steps he has taken since 27th February to give extra non-rationed food to mining communities; and if there has been any increase allocated to South Wales;

(2) on what basis were allocations of non-rationed foods made to the South Wales development area in 1946; and what change has been made since then.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer given to the hon. Members for Neath (Mr. D. J. Williams), North-East Leeds (Miss Bacon) and Stockton-on-Tees (Mr. Chetwynd) on 10th March. With permission I will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of the areas in South Wales which, on 31st March, received increased allocations of rationed ingredients for meat products, cakes and fish frying, and the list is rather too long to read aloud, and the Welsh names are too difficult. He will see that these areas cover the whole of the South Wales coal fields.

I take this opportunity of informing the House that we have just been able to arrange for some three quarters of a mil-lion surplus army ration packs each con- taining foodstuffs sufficient for one man for six days to be made available for purchase by coal miners all over the country through the colliery managements and the National Union of Mineworkers.

Can the Minister say if the extra allocation to the mining areas merely brings them up to the national average?

Will the Minister say whether or not lie can make some of these packs available to agricultural workers?

By the Government. It was decided that the best use for these packs, as a small additional supplement of food, at the present time would be in the coalfield.

Is the Minister aware that the production of agricultural workers is higher than it was before the war?

In view of the fact that Ministers cannot pronounce Welsh names, will the right hon. Gentleman consider recommending Home Rule for Wales?

Would it be very difficult to publish complete lists in the OFFICIAL REPORT of all the coalfields, in view of the complaints we receive that certain mining villages are being left out altogether?

Following is the list:

The County Borough of Cardiff.

The Urban Districts of Brynmawr, Abercan, Abertillery, Bedwas and Machen, Bedwelty, Blaenavon, Caerlon, Cwmbran, Ebbw Vale, Mynddislwyn, Nantyglo and Blaina, Pontypool, Rhymney, Risca, Tredegar and Usk.

The Rural Districts of Magor and St. Merlons, Pontypool, Crickhowell, Vaynor and Pendryn and Ystradgynlaid.

The County Borough of Newport.

The Administrative County of Glamorgan. The County Boroughs of Merthyr Tydfil and Swansea.

The Boroughs of Kidwelly, Llanelly and Pembroke.

The Urban Districts of Ammanford, Burry Port and Cwmamman.

The Rural District of Llanelly.

International Food Board

54.

asked the Minister of Food in what documents and announcements the functions and powers of the International Emergency Food Board may be ascertained.

I am sending the hon. Member a copy of a document setting out the functions, membership and procedure of the International Emergency Food Council. The document has been available in the Library of the House for the last two months.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell the House whether that is the document referred to by his Parliamentary Secretary on 12th February, and, secondly, will he tell us why that document is not allowed to be seen by members of the public, and whether Members in this House would be committing any offence if they copied it and showed it to members of the public?

I imagine that no offence would be committed, but I must have notice of that question.

Dockers' Dispute, Glasgow

(by Private Notice asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that as a result of the dockers' dispute at Glasgow 70 ships, many of which carry cargoes of food; are immobilised; what steps are being taken to meet the dockers' grievances, particularly on the redundancy issue, and the question of discrimination against the Clyde; and what action he is taking to bring the dispute to an end.

I am aware of the present situation in the Port of Glasgow, which arises from the necessity to reduce the dock labour force. It is a matter for regret that such a reduction of the labour force should have become necessary. A fact-finding committee, containing representatives of both sides of the National Joint Council for the Port Transport Industry, examined the position at various ports, including Glasgow, and it was on the basis of this committee's report that my right hon. Friend the Minister of Transport reached his decision. The stoppage took place as soon as this decision was announced. There is no question of discrimination against Glasgow; in fact, reductions of registers have already taken place elsewhere on the basis of this committee's report.

My right hon. Friend and I have been anxious throughout to agree, with the trade union, the action to be taken on the report, but the negotiations, which extended over several months, were, unfortunately, not successful. My officers have been in constant touch with both sides, and I made it clear to the union that while the conclusion of the fact-finding Committee must be accepted as the basis of discussion I would make every endeavour to facilitate consideration as to the method of giving effect to the necessary reductions. After consultation with my right hon. Friend, I have also informed the union that while the Conditions of Employment and National Arbitration Order does not bind the Crown, they can assume that the Ministry of Transport would act as if they were bound by it. This means that if the union wish to claim the protection of that Order to secure arbitration in regard to questions as to the reinstatement of any of the men dismissed, no obstacle will be raised, although, of course, there would need to be prior agreement to accept the award.

The trade union side of the National Joint Council are meeting this afternoon to consider the position, and I have requested that they should later meet officers of my Department so that the whole matter may be fully discussed. I sincerely hope that the dockers of Glasgow will realise that if they will return to work, in order to enable discussions to proceed in a constitutional way, their position will in no way be prejudiced. I am aware of the serious inconvenience and loss occasioned by the present stoppage, and the Government have felt it necessary to take appropriate steps to safeguard essential food supplies.

While thanking my right hon. Friend for his answer, I would like him to expand one or two points that arise from it. First, is there any foundation for the rumour that there is unfair discrimination in the selection of men for dismissal? Second, could he assure us that a return to work will not prejudice the re-employment of any man whom the inquiry shows to have been dismissed unfairly? Third, could he say who are the parties taking part in the meeting today?

I am glad to answer those questions because I think they are helpful. As to prejudice, in choosing men for dismissal that is the point on which we are urging the union to bring cases to us for examination. If there has been any unfair discrimination in the selection of men for dismissal out of the numbers who are redundant I am sure that an independent inquiry, such as we can hold, would clear up the matter. As to return to work, I want to assure my hon. Friend that if the dockers will go back to work, and it is found that any men have been unreasonably dismissed, we shall use all the influence we have to secure their return. As to the parties who are taking part in the meeting, they are the four unions which comprise the workers' side of the Joint Industrial Council—the Scottish Dockers' Union, the Transport and General Workers' Union, the Municipal and General Workers' Union, and the Stevedores of London. They have all joined with representatives of the Glasgow union in the hope that we can settle this matter in such a way that it will not only 1'e a Glasgow settlement, but the basis of a settlement of the whole question.

Can the Minister tell us how many of the men concerned are over 60? Does that come into the question?

Not quite. One of the points is whether men employed in the docks before 1939 should be retained, in preference to those who came in afterwards. I do not know whether age or conduct comes into it. We are anxious to investigate these points, but we cannot do so while there is a stoppage.

In view of the right hon. Gentleman's reference to negotiations having gone on for a period of several months—if I understood him aright—is he satisfied as to the adequacy and speed of the machinery for negotiations on such matters as this, or is that possibly a predisposing cause of the trouble, which may be put right?

I am sure that in this case it is not a question of adequacy or speed; it is the tenacity of the Scottish dockers in holding to their opinion.

Is not the right hon. Gentleman making a mistake in saying that the strike took place since this decision was announced, in view of the fact that fully three weeks ago a deputation from the docks was here, and got into touch with his Department to try to get this question discussed in order to prevent a strike?

The only discussion they wanted was with reference to the absolute withdrawal of the attitude taken up, but we pointed out that as this followed on a decision of the Joint Industrial Council, to which they were parties, we could not step in and overthrow that decision.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us what steps are being taken to safeguard essential foodstuffs?

We are ensuring that all facilities are given to unload the necessary food supplies. We must differentiate between a strike-breaking movement and a food supply movement. It must be said, in fairness to the dockers, that they are making no attempts at all to interfere with the soldiers who are unloading food supplies.