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Clause 99—(Compensation To Officers And Servants In Connection With Transfers)

Volume 436: debated on Wednesday 30 April 1947

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Amendment proposed: In page tor, line 15, at end, to insert:

"loss or diminution of emoluments or pension rights or." —[Mr. Barnes.]

Division No. 169.]

AYES

[10.47 p.m.

Adams, Richard (Balham)Boardman, H.Coldrick, W.
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)Bottomley, A. G.Collins, V. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V.Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W.Comyns, Dr. L.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton)Cook, T. F.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe)Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)Corbel, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.)
Alpass, J. H.Braddock, T. (Mitcham)Corlett, Dr. J.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven)Brook, D. (Halifax)Corvedale, Viscount
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. RBrooks, T. J. (Rothwell)Crossman, R. H. S.
Ayrton Gould, Mrs. BBrown, George (Belper)Daggar, G.
Bacon, Miss A.Brown, T. J. (Ince)Daines, P
Baird, J.Burden, T W.Davies, Edward (Burslem)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. JBurke, W. A.Davies, Harold (Leek)
Barton, C.Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.)
Battley, J. R.Callaghan, JamesDavies, R. J. (Westhoughton)
Bechervaise, A. ECarmichael, JamesDavies, S. O. (Merthyr)
Benson, G.Castle, Mrs. B. A.Deer, G.
Berry, H.Chamberlain, R. Ade Freitas, Geoffrey
Beswick, F.Champion, A. J.Delargy, H. J.
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vate)Chater, DDiamond, J.
Bing, G. H. C.Chetwynd, G. R.Dobbie, W.
Binns, J.Clitherow, Dr. R.Dodds, N. N.
Blackburn, A. RCobb, F. A.Driberg, T. E. N.
Blyton, W. R.Cocks, F. S.Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 290; Noes, 32.

Durbin, E. F. M.Lindgren, G. S.Sargood, R.
Dye, S.Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.Scollan, T.
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C.Logan, D. G.Scott-Elliot, W.
Edwards, John (Blackburn)Longden, F.Shackleton, E. A. A
Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel)Lyne, A. W.Sharp, Granville
Evans, E. (Lowestoft)McAdam, W.Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes)
Evans, John (Ogmore)McEntee, V. La T.Shurmer, P.
Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)McGhee, H. G.Silverman, J. (Erdington)
Ewart, R.McKay, J. (Wallsend)Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)
Fairhurst, F.Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.)Simmons, C. J.
Farthing, W. J.McKinlay, A. S.Skeffington-Lodge, T. C
Field, Capt. W. J.McLeavy, F.Skinnard, F. W.
Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)McNeil, Rt. Hon. HSmith, C. (Colchester)
Follick, M.Mainwaring, W. H.Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)
Forman, J. C.Mallalieu, J. P. W.Snow, Capt. J. W.
Mann, Mrs. J.Solley, L. J.
Foster, W. (Wigan)Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.)Sorensen, R. W.
Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford)Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)Sparks, J. A
Freeman, Peter (Newport)Marshall, F. (Brightside)Stamford, W
Gaitskell, H. T. N.Mathers, G.Steele, T.
Ganley, Mrs. C. S.Medland, H. M.Stephen, C.
Gibson, C. WMellish, R. J.Stewart, Michael (Fulham, E.)
Gilzean, A.Messer, F.Stubbs, A. E.
Gooch, E. G.Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. RSummerskill, Dr. Edith
Goodrich, H. E.Mitchison, G. R.Swingler, S.
Gordon-Walker, P. C.Monslow, W.Sylvester, G. O
Granville, E. (Eye)Moody, A. S.Symonds, A. L.
Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)Morgan, Dr. H. BTaylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Grey, C. F.Morley, R.Taylor, R. J. (Mpeth)
Grierson, E.Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
Griffiths, D. (Rather Valley)Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)
Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side)Moyle, A.Thomas, I. O (Wrekin)
Guest, Dr. L. HadenMurray, J. D.Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Gunter, R. J.Nally, W.Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Guy, W. H.Neal, H. (Claycross)Thurtle, Ernest
Haire, John E. (Wycombe)Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)Tiffany, S.
Hate, LeslieNoel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford)Titterington, M. F
Hall, W. G.Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby)Tolley, L.
Hamilton, Lieut,-Col. R.Noel-Buxton, LadyTurner-Samuels, M.
Harrison, J.O'Brien, T.Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Hastings, Dr. SomervilleOldfieId, W. H.Vernon, Maj. W. F.
Haworth, J.Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)Viant, S. P.
Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)Wadsworth, G.
Hewitson, Captain M.Palmer, A. M. F.Walker, G. H.
Hicks, G.Pargiter, G. A.Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)
Hobson, C. R.Parker, J.Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)
Holman, P.Parkin, B. T.Watkins, T. E.
Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth)Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)Watson, W. M.
House, G.Paton, J. (Norwich)Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Hoy, J.Pearson, A.Weitzman, D.
Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.)Peart, Capt. T. FWells, P. L. (Faversham)
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Piratin, P.Wells, W. T, (Walsall)
Hughes, H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.)Platts-Mills, J. F. F.West, D. G.
Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Irving, W. J.Popplewell, E.Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. APorter, E. (Warrington)Wigg, Colonel G. E.
Janner, B.Porter, G. (Leeds)Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Jay, D. P. T.Price, M. PhilipsWilkes, L.
Wilkins, W. A.
Jeger, G. (Winchester)Pritt, D. N.Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Jager, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.)Proctor, W. TWilliams, D. J. (Neath)
Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley)Pryde, D. J.Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow)Pursey, Cmdr. HWilliams, W. R. (Heston)
Jones, J. H. (Bolton)Randall, H. E.Williamson, T.
Keenan, W.Ranger, J.Willis, E.
Kendall, W. D.Rankin, J.Wills, Mrs. E. A
King, E. M.Reeves, J.Wise, Major F. J.
Kinghorn, Sqn.-Ldr. E.Reid, T. (Swindon)Woodburn, A.
Kinley, J.Rhodes, H.Wyatt, W.
Lavers, S.Richards, R.Yates, V. F.
Lee, F. (Hulme)Ridealgh, Mrs. MYoung, Sir R. (Newton)
Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)Robens, A.Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Leonard, W.Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)Robertson, J. J. (Berwick)

TELLERS FOR THE AYES:

Lewis, J. (Bolton)Ross, William (Kilmarnock)Mr. Collindridge and Mr. Hennan.
Lewis, T. (Southampton)Royle, C.

NOES.

Aitken, Hon. MaxCole, T. L.Fox, Sir G.
Astor, Hon. M.Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E.Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)
Barlow, Sir J.Darling, Sir W. Y.Haughton, S. G.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H.De la Bère, R.Henderson, John (Cathcart)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W.Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W.Herbert, Sir A. P.
Bullock, Capt. M.Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness)Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich)
Carson, E.Duthie, W. S.Lambert, Hon. G.

Langford-Holt, J.Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)Wheatley, Col. M. J
Marlowe, A. A. H.Nicholson, G.
Marsden. Capt. A.Roberts, Mai. P. G. (Ecclesall)

TELLERS FOR THE NOES:

Mellor, Sir J.Spence, H. R.Mr. Butcher and
Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir I.Teeling, WilliamMajor N. Macpherson.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker, on a point of Order. I want, if I may, to make it quite clear that in voting as I am against these Amendments—

May I, on a point of Order, say that it is against the policy of the Government—

Division No. 170.]

AYES

[10.59 p.m

Adams, Richard (Balham)Dobbie, W.Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)Dodds, N. N.Irving, W. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V.Driberg, T. E. N.Isaacs, Rt. Hon G. A
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)Janner, B.
Allen, Scholeheld (Crewe)Durbin, E. F. M.Jay, D. P. T.
Alpass, J. H.Dye, S.Jeger, G. (Winchester)
Anderson, A. (Motherwell)Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C.Jager, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.)
Ayrten Gould, Mrs. BEdwards, John (Blackburn)Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley)
Bacon, Miss A.Edwards, N. (Caerphilly)Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools)
Baird, J.Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel)Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. JEvans, E. (Lowestoft)Jones, J. H. (Bolton)
Barton, C.Evans, John (Ogmore)Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin)
Battley, J. R.Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)Keenan, W.
Bechervaise, A. EEwart, R.Kendall, W. D.
Benson, G.Fairhurst, F.Key, C. W.
Berry, H.Farthing, W. J.King, E. M.
Beswick, F.Field, Capt. W. J.Kinghorn, Sqn.-Ldr. E.
Bevan, Rt. Hon A. (Ebbw Vale)Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)Kirkwood, D.
Bing, G. H. C.Follick, M.Lavers, S.
Blenkinsop, A.Forman, J. C.Lee, F, (Hulme)
Blyton, W. R.Foster, W. (Wigan)Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Boardman, H.Gaitskell, H. T. N.Leonard, W.
Bottomley, A. G.Gallacher, W,Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W.Ganley, Mrs. C. SLewis, T. (Southampton)
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton)Gibson, C. WLindgren, G. S.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)Gilzean, A.Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.
Braddock, T. (Mitcham)Goodrich, H. E.Longden, F.
Brook, D. (Halifax)Gordon-Walker, P. C.Lyne, A. W
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)Granville, E. (Eye)McAdam, W.
Brown, George (Belper)Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)McEntee, V. La T.
Brown, T. J. (Ince)Grey, C. F.McGhee, H. G.
Burden, T. W.Grierson, E.McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley)Mackay, R, W. G. (Hull, N.W.)
Callaghan, JamesGriffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly)McKinlay, A. S.
Carmichael, JamesGriffiths, W. D. (Moss Side)McLeavy, F.
Castle, Mrs. B. AGuest, Dr. L. HadenMcNeil, Rt. Hon..
Champion, A. J.Gunter, R. JMacpherson, T. (Romford)
Chetwynd, G. R.Guy. W HMainwaring, W. H.
Clitherow, Dr. R.Haire, John E. (Wycombe)Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Cobb, F. A.Hale, LeslieMann, Mrs. J.
Cocks, F. S.Hall, W. GManning, C. (Camberwell, N.)
Coldrick, W.Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R.Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Collindridge, F.Hardy, E. A.Mathers, G.
Collins, V. J.Harrison, JMedland, H. M.
Comyns, Dr. L.Hastings, Dr. SomervilleMellish, R. J.
Cook, T. F.Haworth, J.Messer, F.
Corbet, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.)Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)Mikardo, Ian
Corlett, Dr. J.Hewitson, Captain M.Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R
Grossman, R. H. SHicks, G.Mitchison, G. R.
Daggar, G.Hobson, C. R.Monslow, W.
Dairies, P.Holman, P.Moody, A. S.
Davies, Edward (Burslem)Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth)Morgan, Dr. H. B.
Davies, Hadyn (St. Pancras, S.W.)House, G.Morley, R.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr)Hoy, J.Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)
Deer, G.Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.)Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)
de Freitas, GeoffreyHughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Moyle, A.
Delargy, H. J.Hughes, H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.)Murray, J. D.
Diamond, J.Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)

Amendment proposed: In page 101, line 16, to leave out "otherwise."—[ Mr. Barnes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 280; Noes, 34.

Nally, W.Ross, William (Kilmarnock)Titterington, M. F
Neal, H. (Claycross)Royle, C.Tolley, L.
Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)Sargood, R.Turner-Samuels, M.
Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford)Scollan, T.Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby)Shackleton, E. A. AVernon, Maj. W. F
Noel-Buxton, LadySharp, GranvilleViant, S. P.
Oldfield, W. H.Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes)Wadsworth, G.
Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)Shurmer, P.Walker, G. H.
Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)Silverman, J. (Erdington)Wallace, C. D. (Chislehurst)
Pargiter, G. A.Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)
Parker, J.Simmons, C. J.Warbey, W. N.
Parkin, B. T.Skeffington-Lodge, T. C.Watson, W. M.
Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)Skinnard, F. W.Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Paton, J. (Norwich)Smith, C. (Colchester)Weitzman, D.
Pearson, A.Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Peart, Capt. T. FSnow, Capt. J. W.Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Piratin, P.Solley, L. J.West, D. G.
Plates-Mills, J. F. F.Sorensen, R. W.White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)Soskice, Maj. Sir Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Popplewell, E.Sparks, J. A.Wigg, Colonel G. E.
Porter, E. (Warrington)Stamford, W.Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Porter, G. (Leeds)Stephen, C.Wilkes, L.
Price, M. PhilipsStrauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)Wilkins, W. A.
Pritt, D. N.Stubbs, A. E.Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Proctor, W. T.Summerskill, Dr. EdithWilliams, D. J. (Neath)
Pryde, D. J.Sylvester, G. O.Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Pursey, Cmdr. HSymonds, A. L.Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Randall, H. E.Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)Williamson, T.
Rankin, J.Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)Willis, E.
Reeves, J.Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)Wills, Mrs. E. A
Reid, T. (Swindon)Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)Wise, Major F. J
Richards, R.Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin)Woodburn, A.
Ridealgh, Mrs. M.Thomas, George (Cardiff)Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Robens, A.Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)Thurtle, Ernest
Robertson, J. J. (Berwick)Tiffany, S.

TELLERS FOR THE AYES:

Mr. M. Stewart and Mr. Hannan

NOES.

Aitken, Hon. MaxDower, E. L. G. (Caithness)Marsden, Capt. A.
Astor, Hon. M.Duthie, W. S.Mellor, Sir J.
Barlow, Sir J.Fox, Sir G.Moore, Lt.-Col, Sir T.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H.Fraser, H. C. P. (Stone)Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. WFraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)Nicholson, G.
Bullock, Capt. M.Haughton, S. G.Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Carson, E.henderson, John (Cathcart)Spence, H. R.
Cole, T. L.Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich)Teeling, Willlam
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. ELambert, Hon. G.Thorneycroft, G. E. P. (Monmouth)
Darling, Sir W. Y.Langford-Holt, J.Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
De la Bère, R.Macpherson, Maj. N. (Dumfries)
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. WMarlowe, A. A. H.

TELLERS FOR THE NOES:

Sir A. Herbert and Mr. Butcher.

On a point of Order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Considering the total collapse of what was until tonight the official Opposition, could not representations be made

Division No. 171.]

AYES.

[11.10 p.m.

Adams, Richard (Balham)Berry, H.Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)Beswick, FBrown, George (Belper)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V.Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale)Brown, T. J. (Ince)
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)Bing, G. H. C.Burden, T. W.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe)Blackburn, A. R.Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)
Alpass, J H.Blenkinsop, A.Carmichael, James
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven)Blyton, W. R.Chamberlain, R. A.
Bacon, Miss A.Boardman, H.Champion, A. J.
Baird. J.Bottomley, A. G.Clitherow, Dr. R
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. JBowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W.Cobb, F A.
Barton, C.Bowles, F. C. (Nuneaton)Cocks, F. S.
Battley, J. R.Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)Coldrick, W.
Bechervaise, A EBraddock, T. (Mitcham)Collindridge, F.
Benson, GBrook, D. (Halifax)Collins, V. J.

Amendment proposed: In page 1O2, line 24, at end, to insert:

"not being voting rights exercisable only in the event of a default in the payment of dividend."—[My. Barnes.]

Question put. "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes. 275; Noes, 33

Comyns, Dr. L.Jeger, G. (Winchester)Richards, R.
Cook, T. F.Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.)Ridealgh, Mrs. M.
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G.Jones. D, T. (Hartlepools)Robens, A.
Corbet, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.)Jonas, J. H. (Bolton)Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Corlett, Dr. J.Keenan, W.Robertson, J. J. (Berwick)
Daggar, G.Kendall, W. D.Rose, William (Kilmarnock)
Haines, P.Key, C. W.Royle, C.
Davies, Edward (Burslem)King, E. M.Sargood, R.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield)Kirkwood, D.Scollen, T.
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.)Lavers, S.Scott-Elliot, W.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton)Lee, F. (Hulme)Shackleton, E. A. A
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr)Lee, Miss J (Cannock)Sharp, Granville
Deer, G.Leonard, W.Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes)
de Freitas, GeoffreyLewis, A. W. J. (Upton)Shawcross, Rt. Hn. Sir H. (St. Helens)
Delargy, H. J.Lewis, T. (Southampton)Shurmer, P.
Diamond, J.Lindgren, G. S.Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)
Dobbie, W.Lipton, Lt.-Col, M.Simmons, C. J.
Dodds, N. N.Logan, D. G.Skinnard, F. W.
Driberg, T. E. N.Longden, F.Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)Lyne, A. W.Snow, Capt. J. W.
Durbin, E. F. M.McAdam, W.Sorensen, R. W.
Dye, S.McEntee, V. La T.Soskice, Maj. Sir F
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C.McGhee, H. G.Sparks, J. A.
Evans, E. (Lowestoft)McKay, J. (Wallsend)Stamford, W.
Evans, John (Ogmore)Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.)Steele, T.
Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)McKinlay, A. S.Stephen, C.
Ewan, R.Maclean, N. (Govan)Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Fairhurst, F.McLeavy, F.Stubbs, A. E.
Farthing, W. J.McNeil, Rt. Hon. H.Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Field, Capt. W. J.Macpherson, T. (Romferd)Sylvester, G. O.
Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)
Follick, M.Mainwaring, W. H.Symonds, A. L.
Forman, J. C.Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.)Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Foster, W. (Wigan)Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Freeman, Peter (Newport)Marquand, H. A.Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
Geitskell, H. T. NMathers, G.Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)
Gallacher, W.Medland, H. M.Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin)
Ganley, Mrs. C. SMellish, R. J.Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Gibson, C. W.Messer, F.Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Gilman, A.Mikardo, IanThorneycroft, Harry (Clayton)
Gooch, E. G.Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R.Tiffany, S.
Goodrich, H. E.Mitchison, G. R.Timmons, J.
Gordon-Walker, P. C.Monslow, W.Titterington, M. F.
Granville, E. (Eye)Moody, A. S.Tolley, L.
Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)Morgan, Dr. H. B.Tomlinson, Rt. Hon. G
Grey, C. FMorley, R.Turner-Samuels, M.
Grierson, E.Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield C.)Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Griffiths, b. (Rother Valley)Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)Vernon, Maj. W. F.
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly)Murray, J. D.Viant, S. P.
Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side)Nally, W.Wadsworth, G.
Guest, Dr. L. HadenNeal, H. (Claycross)Walker, G. H
Gunter, R. J.Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)
Guy, W. H.Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford)Warbey, W. N.
Hale, LeslieNoel-Baker. Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby)Watkins, T. E.
Hall, W. G.Noel-Bux ladyWatson, W. M.
Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. ROldfield, W. H.Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Hardy, E. A.Oliver, G. H.Weitzman, D.
Harrison, J.Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Hastings, Dr. SomervillePaling, Will T. (Dewsbury)Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Haworth, J.Palmer, A. M. F.West, D. G.
Henderson, A. (Kingawinford)Pargiter, G. A.Westwood, Rt. Hon. J
Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)Parker, J.White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Hewitson, Capt. M.Parkin, B. T.Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Hicks, G.Pearson, AWigs, Col. G. E.
Hobson, C R.Peart, Capt. T. F.Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B.
Holman, P.Platts-Mills, J. F. E.Wilkes, L.
Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth)Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)Wilkins, W. A.
House, G.Popplewell, E.Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Hoy, J.Porter, E. (Warrington)Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Hubbard, T.Porter, G. (Leeds)Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.)Pritt, D. N.Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Proctor, W. T.Williamson, T.
Hughes, H. D. (Wolverh'pton, W.)Pryde, D. J.Willis, E.
Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme)Pursey, Cmdr. H.Wills, Mrs. E. A
Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)Randall, H. E.Woodburn, A.
Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe)Rankin, J.Yates, V. F.
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A.Reeves, J.Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Janner, B.Reid, T. (Swindon)
Jay, D. P. T.Rhodes, H.

TELLERS FOR THE AYES:

Mr. M. Stewart and Mr. Hannan.

NOES.

Barlow, Sir J.Duthie, W. S.Marsden, Capt. A.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H.Fox, Sir G.Mellor, Sir J.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.Col. WFraser, H. C. P. (Stone)Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir
Bullock, Capt. MFraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Butcher, H. W.Haughton, S. G.Nicholson, C.
Cole, T. L.Henderson, John (Cathcart)Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Corbett, Lieut.-Col. U. (Ludlow)Herbert, Sir A. P.Spence, H. R.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E.Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich)Teeling, Willlam
Darling, Sir W. Y.Lambert, Hon. G.Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
De la Bère, R.Langford-Holt, J.
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W.Macpherson, Maj, N. (Dumfries)

TELLERS FOR THE NOES:

Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness)Marlowe, A. A. H.Group-Captain Aitken and
Mr. Astor.

11.15 p.m.

On a point of Order. In view of the fact that a number of Members on both sides of the House never had an opportunity of being called into the Committee and never had a chance—

May I ask whether under the Standing Orders it is not in your discretion, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, if you come to the conclusion that a challenged vote was merely frivolous, to call upon those Members desiring to vote "No" to stand up in their places and be counted?

That is a point of Order. It is certainly within the right of the Chair to exercise that discretion and the Chair will do so when it thinks desirable.

I ruled that the hon. Gentleman's point was not a point of Order, and, therefore, there cannot be anything further to it.

Further to the point of Order raised by the hon. Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman). May I ask whether it is in order for the hon. Member to accuse us of frivolous behaviour when we are in fact protesting against the Guillotine?

That is not a point of Order. Points of Order should not be used as an opportunity for making speeches.

May I ask whether you, Mr. DeputySpeaker, will indicate for our guidance what the position is? While the occupant of the Chair has complete discretion as to the manner in which hon. Members may register their votes, have not many of your predecessors, on many occasions, given opportunities to those who feel strongly on some matter, to register their protest in the Division Lobby? In view of the fact that Members in all parts of the House recognise the right of the Chair, and the desire of the Chair to protect the rights of the minority, may I on this point of Order respectfully ask you to enable us to exercise this customary right.

The Chair has the right, and accepts the responsibility, for deciding the manner in which the vote shall be taken.

We cannot continue in this way. I have allowed a considerable amount of latitude.

May I ask to: your guidance, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, on whether there is any other way in which we can protest against this brazen dictatorship?

Mr. Speaker has already answered that question several times, and the answer which he gave is the answer which I give now.

With due respect. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, may I point out that you were not present earlier when this point was submitted to Mr. Speaker?

It is not a question of whether I was present or not, when that question was raised. But, as a matter of fact, I was present. I am carrying out the long-established procedure of the House.

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AYES.

[11.25 p.m.

Adams, Richard (Balham)Dye, S.Key, C. W.
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)Ede, Rt. Hon. J. G.Kirkwood, D.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)Evans, E. (Lowestoft)Lavers, S.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe)Evans, John (Ogmore)Lee, F. (Hulme)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven)Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Bacon, Miss A.Ewart, R.Leonard, W.
Baird, J.Fairhurst, F.Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J.Farthing, W. J.Lewis, J. (Bolton)
Barton, C.Field, Captain W. J.Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Battley, J. R.Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.
Bechervaise, A. E.Follick, M.Logan, D. G.
Benson, G.Forman, J. C.Longden, F.
Berry, HFoster, W. (Wigan)Lyne, A. W.
Beswick, F.Freeman, Peter (Newport)McAdam, W.
Bing, G. H. C.Gaitskell, H. T. N.McGhee, H. G.
Blackburn, A. R.Gallacher, W.McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Blenkinsop, A.Ganley, Mrs. C. S.Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.)
Blyton, W. R.Gibbins, J.McLeavy, F.
Boardman, HGibson, C. W.McNeil, Rt. Hon. H.
Bottomley, A. G.Gilzean, A.Macpherson, T. (Romford)
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W.Gooch, E. G.Mainwaring, W. H.
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton)Goodrich, H. E.Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)Gordon-Walker, P. CManning, C. (Camberwell, N.)
Braddock, T. (Mitcham)Granville, E. (Eye)Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Brook, D. (Halifax)Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)Marquand, H. A.
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)Grey, C. F.Marshall, F. (Brightside)
Brown, George (Belper)Grierson, E.Mathers, G.
Brown, T. J. (Ince)Griffiths, D. (Bother Valley)Medland, H. M
Burden, T. W.Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side)Mellish, R. J.
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)Guest, Dr. L. HadenMesser, F.
Callaghan, JamesGunter, R. J.Mikardo, Ian
Carmichael, JamesGuy, W. H.Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R.
Castle, Mrs. B. A.Hale, LeslieMitchison, Major G. R.
Chamberlain, R. A.Hall; W. G.Monslow, W.
Champion, A. J.Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R.Moody, A. S.
Chafer, D.Hannan, W. (Maryhill)Morgan, Dr. H. B
Chetwynd, G. R.Hardy, E. A.Morley, R.
Clitherow, Dr. RHarrison, J.Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield. C.)
Cobb, F. A.Hastings, Dr. SomervilleMorris, P. (Swansea, W.)
Cocks, F. SHaworth, J.Moyle, A.
Coldrick, W.Henderson, A. (Kingswinford)Murray, J. D
Collindridge, F.Hewitson, Capt. M.Nally, W.
Collins, V. J.Holman, P.Neal, H. (Claycross)
Comyns, Dr. L.Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth)Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)
Cook, T. F.House, G.Noel-Baker, Capt. F E. (Brantford)
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G.Hoy, J.Noel-Buxton, Lady
Corbel, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.)Hubbard, T.O'Brien, T.
Corlett, Dr. J.Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.)Oldfield, W. H
Crossman, R. H. S.Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Oliver, G. H.
Dagger, G.Hughes, H. D. (Wolverhampton, W.)Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)
Davies, Ernest (Enfield)Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)Paling, Will T, (Dewsbury)
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.)Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe)Pargiter, G. A.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton)Irving, W. J.Parker, J.
Deer, G.Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A.Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)
de Freitas, GeoffreyJanner, B.Pearson, A.
Delargy, Captain H. J.Jay, D. P. T.Peart, Capt. T. F
Diamond, J.Jager, G. (Winchester)Piratin, P.
Debbie, W.Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras. S.E.)Platts-Mills. J. F. F
Dodds, N. N.Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools)Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)
Driberg, T. E. N.Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow)Popplewell, E.
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)Keenan, W.Porter, E. (Warrington)
Durbin, E. F. M.Kendall, W. D.Porter, G. (Leeds)