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Commons Chamber

Volume 441: debated on Tuesday 29 July 1947

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House Of Commons

Tuesday, 29th July, 1947

The House met at half-past Two o'Clock


[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]

Private Business

Sunderland Corporation Bill Lords

( King's Consent signified.) Bill read the Third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Southend-On-Sea Corporation Bill Lords

As amended, considered; Amendments made to the Bill.

Standing Order 205 suspended; Bill to be read the Third time forthwith.—[ The Chairman of Ways and Means.]

( King's Consent signified.) Bill accordingly read the Third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Oral Answers To Questions

Civil Service

Transfer Allowances


asked the Minister of National Insurance why the concessions of allowances for the removal expenses, cost of travel and lodging, have been withdrawn from temporary civil servants who have, at his request, agreed to be transferred away from their homes in Blackpool to fund offices in other parts of the country.

Members of the temporary staff were invited to volunteer for transfer to fund offices on the footing that they would receive temporary transfer allowances for the first three months, and that they would then be given the option of remaining at a fund office without further payment of allowances or of returning to Blackpool. Where, however, a married officer or an officer with equivalent responsibilities has elected to remain at a fund office, I have decided to offer him the alternative of permanent transfer terms.

Will the right hon. Gentleman make quite certain that none of the staff covered by this Question have been deprived of their travelling allowances once they have become permanently attached to fund offices?

Yes. These permanent transfer terms will, I think, meet the desires of members of the staff.

Ex-Service Personnel


asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury the number of ex-Service men and women employed in a temporary capacity in the Civil Service; and what prospects they have of establishment.

I regret that the information asked for in the first part of the Question is not available centrally. As the reply to the second part of the Question is somewhat long, I will circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Is it not true that there may be 20,000 or 30,000 men who are employed temporarily, and cannot the right hon. Gentleman hold out some hope that they will receive permanent employment at some time?

As the hon. Gentleman will see when he gets HANSARD tomorrow morning, quite a large number of these vacancies are reserved for ex-Service men and women.

Following is the reply:

As to the general Civil Service classes (administrative, executive and clerical) 28,000 established vacancies which accrued during the war recently concluded are open to competition by ex-Service men and women, including those now serving in temporary Government employment; of that number 14,450 of the vacancies are reserved specifically for ex-Service men, and a number for ex-Service women in proportion to the number of candidates. In addition, service in His Majesty's Forces in the recent war is aggregated with temporary Government service for the purpose of qualifying for the 4,500 established vacancies which are open to older temporary staff by nomination, and for the further 10,000 posts (which are being converted to an established basis as from 1st January, 1948) which are open to long service temporary staff.


Dismissed Postmen, Aberdeen


asked the Minister of Labour how many postmen in Aberdeen have been discharged as redundant since 31st May; how many have been found jobs in industry; and how many of the remainder are unsuitable for industry by reason of age and or disability.

Two temporary postmen have been discharged as redundant in Aberdeen since 31st May. One is being considered for a suitable industrial job for which he was submitted by the exchange. Information is not available about the other who did not seek the assistance of the exchange in obtaining employment.

Football Pools (Canvassers)


asked the Minister of Labour if he is aware that some football pool promoters are employing full-time canvassers and opening shops for the distribution of their sheets; and if he will take powers to prevent this and all other uneconomic uses of manpower.

I am informed that full-time canvassers are employed by some football pool promoters, but I have no information as to the numbers involved or as to the extent to which shops are used. The Government strongly deprecate the use of manpower on all forms of uneconomic employment. This question raises wide issues which are at present being examined in consultation with the National Joint Advisory Council.

Will the right hon. Gentleman make it quite clear to the country that in this present state of emergency we cannot have both football pools and clothes, and will he make sure that labour goes into the textile industry, where it is so urgently needed?

That question calls for rather a long answer which would not be appropriate at the moment; but, to summarise it, we are anxious to have the cooperation of the pool promoters in getting some of these women into the textile industry. However, the bulk of the women are employed in areas which are a long way from the textile areas, and it is difficult to move them because of the accommodation problem.

While the examination to which the right hon. Gentleman has referred is taking place, will he consider reverting to what happened before, when all the pools were merged into one unit, thus saving a lot of labour and materials?

I cannot give a pledge about it, but I would draw attention to the last sentence in my main answer:

"This question raises wide issues which are at present being examined in consultation with the National Joint Advisory Council."

Will the right hon. Gentleman be in a position to make a statement on this matter before the House adjourns?

I am not quite sure, but if there is a possibility of making a statement on the matter I will certainly do so before the House adjourns.

On a point of Order, Mr. Speaker. Would it be possible to disconnect the electrical amplifier apparatus which has been erected along the rearmost benches? It makes the answers of Ministers almost inaudible by emitting a continual booming?

I am very sorry about that. It is an experiment, and we ought not to be afraid to try experiments. Yesterday I noticed it booming. I think that the experience so far proves it not to have been a success. I expect improvements will be made, so that, I hope, it will not boom. It is necessary that all of us should speak clearly. I try to speak clearly.

Further to that point of Order. The hon. Member for Oxford (Mr. Hogg) broke the apparatus yesterday.

When the hon. Member for Oxford broke it yesterday, we could hear nothing at all.

I have no doubt that the engineers of the Ministry of Works, who put in this apparatus, will take note of what has been said.

Newspaper Industry


asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware of the apprehension existent in the newspaper in dustry that the cut in newsprint may cause unemployment; and whether he is making any provision for alternative employment.

In view of the current general shortage of manpower in the printing industry, I do not anticipate any special difficulty in finding alternative employment for workers released from the newspapers.

Can the Minister give any information about the possible variation in unemployment in the different sections of the printing trade?

It is customary in this industry for the workers to be given two weeks' notice of termination of employment. Until this notice has been given and has become effective, we shall not be able to give any definite answers on the position.



asked the Minister of Labour whether, in order to augment our manpower, he will circularise all aliens who have come in on compassionate grounds calling on them to enter the essential undermanned industries.

In general, aliens admitted to this country are subject to the condition that they may only take employment which is approved by me. I am thus in a position to satisfy myself that the work which they wish to undertake is work of a useful nature. There is nothing to prevent aliens admitted on compassionate grounds from applying for employment.

Would the Minister say whether all aliens who were brought into this country on compassionate grounds are aware that they may apply for employment and be allocated to it according to need?

It would be difficult for me to say they are all aware of it, but I hope the publicity given to this statement today will bring it to the notice of them all.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that some of the trade unions are now opposing the employment of aliens—for example, of Poles?

Are aliens who are admitted on compassionate grounds and directed to serve in an industry allowed to leave it without the right hon. Gentleman's permission?

If we find it advisable to direct an alien to an industry that is undermanned, we expect him to remain in that industry, although not in that particular employment; otherwise we should have people floating into and manning non-essential industries.

National Service (Appeals)


asked the Minister of Labour how many appeals were made by his Department during the period April, May and June, 1947, against the decisions of military service hardship committees to call up men for military service; and in how many cases have these appeals been successful.

Twenty appeals for the grant of postponement were made to the Umpire in April, May and June, 1947. The results of these appeals may or may not have yet been announced, and I regret that, without going through all the files both for and against postponement, I can only indicate that the cases where an appeal has been made by the Minister of Labour for postponement almost always succeed because they are in accord with precedents established by the Umpire.

Does the same apply when the appeal is the other way round—when it is an appeal by the Ministry to bring a man into the Services against the wishes of the committee?

I did answer a Question by the hon. and gallant Gentleman on that point. I see the interlocking point. But in these cases we appeal only where the committee has obviously gone against a previous umpire's decision. We have to direct attention to it.


Retired Teachers (Re-Employment)


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if, during the present acute need for trained teachers, he will suspend the rule whereby retired teachers returning to duty must lose their pensions.

The principle generally applicable to public servants who return to public employment after retirement is that the sum they draw from public funds as salary and pension should not exceed the amount of salary at the time of retirement. This usually involves suspension or reduction of the pension for the time being. I regret that I cannot make an exception in favour of teachers.

Will my right hon. Friend consult with his colleagues with a view to changing this rule, which was laid down at' a time when there was no acute shortage of teachers? Will he impress upon his colleagues the stupidity of preventing retired people who are still fit from serving in the schools by penalising them if they do so?

I do not think there is need for the consultation that is suggested, because the suggestion is based upon a misapprehension. I did point out in the. Debate on Scottish education that, through the emergency training scheme and normal channels of recruiting, a sufficient number of teachers to meet the full need of the schools is expected.

Rock Drifter Drills


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland why the Government Purchasing Mission to the U.S.A. in March this year purchased 240 rock drifter drills for use in the Scottish hydro-electric schemes, when a substantial number of these machines could have been made in England.

The North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board, in pursuance of the Government decision that every effort must be made to increase the electricity generating capacity of the country, requested the Mission to acquire certain equipment, including the rock drifter drills which were urgently required during 1947. On the information then available the Board considered this the only prudent course to take in order to ensure timeous delivery. After discussion with the Advisory Committee on Contractors' Plant, it has been arranged that no further purchases for the hydro-electric schemes will be made outside the United Kingdom until the Committee has considered whether the plant can be provided in this country by the date required.

As I understand that the Secretary of State for Scotland has taken the responsibility for this Question, although the Question was originally addressed by me to the Minister of Supply, may I ask him why it was that he, as planner of this enterprise, failed to co ordinate the activities of his Department with those of the Ministry of Works and the Ministry of Supply, so that the two firms in Cornwall that have made this sort of implement for many years were not even consulted as to their ability to deliver this order before the order was placed, with the result that a totally unnecessary expenditure of 170,000 dollars was incurred?

I am credited with many things so far as Scotland is concerned, but this is the first time I have been credited with being the planner of the hydro-electric scheme. I certainly do not accept that, but I accept responsibility for doing what was best in the circumstances, and I have now assured the House, on the facts at my disposal, that there will be no orders abroad until we have discovered whether we can obtain supplies from our own resources.



asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how the housing achievements of Perth compared with the housing achievements of other large Scots cities since the end of the war; if he is aware that the Perth first target figures are expected to be reached during this year; and if he will do anything to organise similar achievements in other cities.

I would refer the hon. Member to the appendix to the Housing Return published each month, which gives details of the progress made by individual housing authorities. I am sure that local authorities generally are anxious to expedite the completion of houses, and it is the aim of the 1947 programme formulated by the Government to assist them to complete the largest possible number this year.

Will the right hon. Gentleman consider giving an answer to the hon. Gentleman the Member for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood) about the excellent work that is being done in housing in Perth, that great Tory strong hold in Scotland?

My difficulty, as one responsible for the working of all the local authorities in Scotland, is to see that I do not give too much praise to one for fear that I fall out with some of the others.


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether local authorities whose housing progress includes houses at first-floor level are prohibited from finishing these this winter; whether compensation will be paid for deterioration; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer to the answers given to similar questions by the hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Sir B. Neven-Spence) on 8th July, and the hon. Members for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood) and Montrose Burghs (Mr. Maclay) on 15th July. Local authorities are not prohibited from finishing any houses, at whatever stage of construction, if labour and materials are available. It is the aim of the 1947 housing programme to complete the largest possible number of houses this year.

Does my right hon. Friend give preference to cities like Perth as against burghs like Coatbridge, where housing conditions are very much more appalling?

No. I can assure my hon. Friend that I have no "step-children." I do my best to see that fairness is done by all the local authorities in Scotland.

Is not the Minister aware that these local authorities were encouraged to go ahead with big housing programmes, and that those housing programmes were cut; will he not reconsider the question of meeting the financial losses which these local authorities have incurred as a consequence of having to maintain these expenses; and does he not know of resolutions which have been passed by many local authorities in regard to this matter?

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that the materials in short supply are issued in accordance with a priority which agrees with the date on which the original building licence was granted?

Is not my right hon. Friend aware that there are a number of buildings which have been built right up to the eaves by the Glasgow Corporation, but which have been stopped for lack of materials and are, therefore, bound to deteriorate; and are they to get no compensation for that deterioration?


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of houses completed in Scotland by local authorities in the inter-war years, and the number completed by private enterprise for sale and to let.

The number of houses completed in the inter-war years by local authorities was 227,295. The number completed by private enterprise was 109,878, of which 8,207 were built for letting with assistance under the Housing (Financial Provisions) Act, 1924. No precise information is available, but it is thought that the majority of the balance of private enterprise houses were built for sale.

In view of those figures and the constant reiteration by certain people that we should engage private enterprise again, will my right hon. Friend see that each Member of the Opposition has two copies of that reply?

I have always believed that if private enterprise had made a success of dealing with Scotland's housing problem, the Secretary of State for Scotland would not have half as many troubles as he has at the present time.

Will the right hon. Gentleman look again into the rating problem in Scotland in order that private enterprise may have a fair deal?

Regional Hospital Boards (Areas)


asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will give the assurance that, in delimiting the areas assigned to the regional hospital boards, care will be taken to ensure that each shall include a population proportional to the needs of the particular medical school as regards clinical material, and as regards hospital accommodation necessary to provide an adequate number of the resident appointments demanded by the new Health Service arrangements before registration as qualified independent practitioners.

The National Health Service (Scotland) (Determination of Areas of Regional Hospital Boards) Order 1947, fixing these areas was made on 25th June and laid before Parliament on 27th June. In settling the terms of that Order I had fully in mind the needs of clinical teaching, as represented to me by the universities. As I explained in a letter I wrote to the Acting Principal of Edinburgh University on 23rd July, of which the hon. Member has a copy, clinical teaching is not, in my opinion, prejudiced by the provisions of the Order.

Can the right hon. Gentleman assure us that there is no truth in a statement which I have seen that, of the two chief Scottish medical schools, with approximately equal numbers of students, one has been allocated a population of approximately three million and the other a population of approximately one million?

I can only give the assurance that, in looking into the whole problem associated with the new organisation necessary, I have at least given the fullest consideration to all the representations made to me. I have made my decisions having regard to what I think is in the best interests of Scotland, and without any prejudice to the clinical teaching of the respective universities.

Is the Minister aware that the success of any pubic health service, however carefully it may be planned, is, in the end, dependent entirely upon the training given in the medical schools?

Yes, Sir. I am in entire agreement with the point just made by the hon. Member.

Disability Pensions And Allowances


asked the Minister of Pensions the numbers of those in receipt of disability pensions and allowances, by grades, from the maximum downwards, and the amount paid in each grade.

As the answer contains a number of figures I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.,

Can the Minister give an assurance that those figures justify his not bringing the matter before the advisory committee again?

The hon. Member should judge that from the figures given in the statement.

Following is the statement:

(1) The figures include pensions for both the 1914 and 1939 wars. In the latter case, Mercantile Marine and Civilian war pensions are included.

(2) Column E gives the total number of pensioners assessed at the various degrees of disablement. Columns C and D give the appropriate rates for a single man and a married man with two children, respectively. In all cases the rates shown are those applicable to basic ranks in the Services (e. g., private soldier in the Army); higher rates are payable for higher rank.

(3) In certain cases there are additional allowances for wear and tear of clothing or education of children.

(4) Disablement pensions and allowances are free of income tax.

Degree of DisablementSingle ManMarried with 2 childrenApproximate with number in payment
100With unemployability supplement and maximum constant attendance allowance.550616050,650
100With unemployability supplement but without constant attendance allowance.3504160
100Without unemployability supplement or constant attendance allowance.2503100
90With unemployability supplement30641162,900
90With hardship allowance*250376
90Without unemployability supplement or hardship allowance.206330
80With unemployability supplement216047018,950
80With hardship allowance*250350
80Without unemployability supplement or hardship allowance.11602160
70With unemployability supplement211642628,550
70With hardship allowance*229303
70Without unemployability supplement or hardship allowance.1116290
†60With hardship allowance*1183213342,450
†60Without hardship allowance170220
†50With hardship allowance113926365,650
†50Without hardship allowance1261150
40With hardship allowance*193119381,650
40Without hardship allowance180180
30With hardship allowance*1491123157,700
30Without hardship allowance136110
20With hardship allowance*103153234,100
20Without hardship allowance90140
Less than 20 percentVarying amountsVarying amounts84,050

* If a pensioner's disablement due to service in; the 1939 World War is assessed at less than 100 per cent. and, in consequence of that disablement, he is permanently incapable of resuming his former occupation and incapable of following or being trained for one of equivalent standard, he may be granted a special hardship allowance of 11s. 3d. a week. The allowance together with his pension may not, however, exceed the rate of pension payable if his disablement were assessed at 100 per cent.

† In a small number of cases of 50 per cent. and 60 per cent. disablement the unemployability supplement has been granted.

(5) The estimated annual cost of these pensions, including the various allowances and supplements, is about £50,000,000.

Polish Resettlement Corps (Cost)


asked the Secretary of State for War what are the pay and allowances payable to members of the Polish Resettlement Corps holding, respectively, the rank of sergeant, first-lieutenant and captain; what family allowances are payable; and what is the estimated cost per head of food and accommodation.

As the answer contains many figures I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

In common with many other hon. Members, I have said that we should help those Poles who helped us in the fight against the common enemy, but does not my right hon. Friend agree that there are many abuses of the present situation? The total cost to the taxpayer is now running at the rate of £1,340,000 per month, apart from the cost of administration and——

The Question on the Order Paper asks what are the rates of pay and allowances, but the hon. Member is now making further deductions and asking further questions. The original Question was a straightforward one and received a straightforward answer.

I was about to ask: When sums of money are being paid out to members of the Corps, according to the list my right hon. Friend is going to circulate, will he see that those members of the Polish Forces are not allowed to engage, for example, in outside businesses as well as draw very substantial sums of public money?

Yes, certainly, so far as I can. I will take every step to stop them taking part in business, which is not what

——Lodging Allowance.London Allowance (For married men living with their families in lodgings)
If place of duty is within 10 miles of Charing Cross.All Others.Marriage Allowance
(a week)

they are being paid for by the British taxpayer.

Following is the answer:

The rates of pay are:


*After 3 years (daily).

*After 4 years (daily).

(After 3 years in the rank)

* These increments are applicable only to those who had completed the specified number of years' service in the Polish Land Forces while under British Command on or before 1st July. 1946. Service subsequent to that date—whether in the Polish Land Forces or the Polish Resettlement Corps—does not qualify for these higher rates.

Allowances are issuable as follows:

Members of the Polish Resettlement Corps are normally provided with accommodation or with billets. When neither of these can be provided, lodging allowance under normal rules is admissible. Lodging allowance is issued to single men, and to married men separated from their families by the exigencies of the Service or absence of suitable accommodation. Marriage allowance is admissible under normal conditions; it is not issued if the family is accommodated and fed in camp or the wife is a member of the Services. London allowance is admissible to married members when living with their families otherwise than in War Department quarters, and whose place of duty is within 10 miles of Charing Cross.

The rates of these allowances for members of the Polish Resettlement Corps are:

All rates are daily except where otherwise stated.

The estimated cost per head of food is when rations are provided in kind is. 5½d. a day, representing the cost of the ration as delivered to the unit uncooked, and when rations are not provided in kind 3s. 2d a day, ration allowance, and of accommodation 1s. 3d. a day.

British Army

Printed Matter (Paper Supply)


asked the Secretary of State for War whether a reduction has been effected in the amount of paper made available for the publication "Soldier," issued by his Department, proportionate to the reduction imposed by His Majesty's Government on daily newspapers.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the fact that this publication is now an affair of 48 pages; and is it not a little unfair that it should be permitted to use paper on this scale when the popular Press is reduced to four pages?

I do not think so. It serves a very useful purpose. At any rate, there is no discrimination between this publication and other publications of a similar nature run by private enterprise.

Would the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that there is no one class of newspaper which is more appreciated by men in the Forces than their local newspaper; and would he not consider using some of the paper allocated to this publication to bring the local newspapers back to something more nearly approximating to their normal size?

No, I do not think I could do that, because the allocation of this paper comes from the Control Commission for Germany. I would say that this publication is very greatly appreciated by members of the Forces.

How is paper obtained for a publication which was not published in 1939, before the war, when such a prohibition applies to all civilian publications?

That question is much too technical for me to answer. I suggest that the hon. and gallant Member apply to the President of the Board of Trade, who knows the answer.

But it is the Secretary of State for War who publishes this publication.


asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will make a reduction in the purchases by his Department of the publications of the Bureau of Current Affairs, proportionate to the reductions in newsprint imposed by His Majesty's Government on the daily newspapers.

No, Sir, but in view of the continuing shortage in the supply of paper special instructions have been issued in the War Office that every effort is to be made to reduce demands for printed matter, including instructional literature of this kind.

I hope the right hon. Gentleman will not allow his natural modesty to prevent him from conveying his own good example to his colleagues, with particular reference to the Minister of Fuel and Power?

No. I would prefer that hon. Members opposite made. those references to my colleagues.

Will the Minister ensure that all the copies of these publications which are supplied are displayed to the best advantage, and are not tucked away in orderly rooms and other places?

Yes, Sir. I am constantly trying to see that all publications like these are used to the best possible advantage by the troops.

Is the Minister aware that if he gets as many attacks and criticisms from hon. Members opposite as the Minister of Fuel and Power does, he will be a very popular man with the working classes?

War Graves


asked the Secretary of State for War if he will report progress in the matter of dealing with war graves by his Department and the War Graves Commission.

Progress in dealing with War Graves may be said to be generally satisfactory. All cemeteries and graves in the Middle East, Italy and North Africa have been handed over by the Army Graves Services to the Imperial War Graves Commission for maintenance. In addition, there are some 80,000 graves in the United Kingdom which have been registered and maintained by the Imperial War Graves Commission from the outset. In France and the Low Countries, the Imperial War Graves Commission have accepted the care of some 35,000 graves, and many more cemeteries in these countries and in the British zone of Germany will be ready for transfer by the Army Graves Service during the next few months. In India and the Far East, measures are being taken by the Imperial War Graves Commission to take over the cemeteries in these areas in the near future.

Will the right hon. Gentleman indicate when he thinks that bodies like the British Legion may, with advantage to bereaved relatives, arrange pilgrimages or missions to these cemeteries?

I thought the hon. Member knew that we are now engaged in conversations with the British Legion, in which he occupies a very important position, and certain other voluntary societies, to achieve that end.


asked the Secretary of State for War if he will make a further announcement regarding facilities for visits to war cemeteries of relatives of men killed during the war; or, if impracticable at present, when he expects a scheme will be possible, so that parents and relatives can have the consolation of looking forward to making such visits in the future.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given to the hon. and gallant Member for Stockport (Wing-Commander Hulbert) on 22nd July, to which I have at present nothing to add.

Requisitioned Land, Plymouth


asked the Secretary of State for War to what purpose the land surrounding Agaton Fort, Plymouth, in the ownership of his Department and amounting to 12½ acres, is being used; if he is aware that the city council has for the past 18 months been trying, with the support of the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education, to come to an arrangement about its future use, and that the delay of his Department is holding up the building of some 100 houses; and if he will expedite its release.

This land is let for grazing. I am aware that the Plymouth city council wish to acquire it, but I regret that I cannot agree to make it available, as it will most probably be required for War Department buildings.

Is the Secretary of State aware that this fort was built for defence in the Napoleonic wars, that it was never used then because the enemy did not come that way, that it is not being used now, and that it would be much better used for housing purposes? Will he please show a little common sense in regard to its use?

I can certainly give the assurance asked for in the last part of my hon. Friend's supplementary question.

I would remind my hon. Friend that the Question deals, not with the fort, but with the land surrounding it, where we may want to build houses for soldiers.

Does not that answer make the original answer even more imbecile?

Leave (Melf And Cmf)


asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will arrange that men who have qualified for 30 days' leave through service in M.E.F. are not cut down to 19 days because of being transferred to C.M.F. before leave is granted.

Men serving in M.E.L.F. are eligible for 30 days' leave in the United Kingdom once only during the overseas tour, provided they will still have four months to serve after returning to M.E.L.F. Men in C.M.F., however, get 38 days' leave in the United Kingdom each year, this leave being taken 19 days at a time. The leave in the United Kingdom of men transferred from M.E.L.F. to C.M.F. is therefore increased and not decreased.

As I had some difficulty in following the right hon. Gentleman's answer because I am not near enough to the amplifier, may I ask does he mean that arrangements are in force to prevent this anomaly from taking place?

No, Sir, it means that those who are far away from this country can get only one leave of 30 days, and that those who are nearer get two leaves a year, each of 19 days, making a total of 38 days.

Golf Course, Aberdeen


asked the Secretary of State for War if he is aware that a substantial part of King's Links Corporation Golf Course, Aberdeen, though no longer used by the military authorities, is still under their control; that it is used by four clubs with a combined membership of over 2,000 and hundreds of unattached players; that it is a seaside links to which the public have access; that it is encumbered by masses of broken barbed wire and other things which are dangerous to the players and public who resort there; and if he will have it cleared immediately and restored to its former condition suitable for golf championships.

The area on this golf course held by my Department contains a hutted camp and some additional land. The camp is required for futher military use. The additional land is no longer required by my Department, and the possibility of clearing it is being investigated.

Is the Minister aware that this site is required, particularly during the summer months, for the use of visitors but that it is now cluttered up with huts which could be used for housing civilians? Will he see that these huts are removed so that people can live in them and enjoy the amenities of life?

No, Sir. I said that the huts are required by my Department. As soon as the land is cleared, it can be given back. If the hon. and learned Member can help in finding labour to clear the land, we should be prepared to pay for it.

Is the Minister aware that these huts, which would accommodate several families, have been occupied by only two men for months past?

Central Moribund Accounts Office (Duties)


asked the Secretary of State for War what are the duties of the officer i/c Central Moribund Accounts

The Central Moribund Accounts Office has been set up to maintain and administer the accounts of all non-effective soldiers, that is, soldiers released from the Service, discharged unfit, or who have died.

Will the right hon. Gentleman tell the House how many persons are employed under the officer-in-charge of this Department?

Can the right hon. Gentleman assure the House that the title of this appointment is not the new title of the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

If hon. Members will look at this matter in a serious way, they will understand that the whole purpose of creating this Department is to relieve the Pay Office of a lot of matter which will disappear in a short space of time. We do not want to clutter up the living tiles with what we consider to be dead or nearly dead matter.

Civilian Clothing (Cash Allowances)


asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that the cash allowance issued by the officer in charge of Central Moribund Accounts in lieu of civilian clothing on demobilisation is £2 15s. 1od.; how that sum is arrived at; and whether he is satisfied that it is an adequate equivalent of the suit of clothing, shoes, shirt, hat and other articles issued as civilian clothing on demobilisation.

I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the reply which I gave to a Question by the hon. and gallant Member for Pudsey and Otley (Colonel Stoddart-Scott), on 19th November, 1946, of which I am sending him a copy. In the event of an application from a man who was discharged before 16th October, 1944, without receiving either clothing or a cash grant in lieu, the officer in charge. Central Moribund Accounts, would issue a cash allowance based on the wholesale price of the garments at the time of the man's discharge.

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us where we can get these goods for this price?

I do not think anywhere, but if my hon. and learned Friend had been in the last House, he would have known that on many occasions we raised this issue of the small cash allowance. It was only by the action of a previous Government that we got it increased in 1944. There has to be a date line drawn somewhere, and it was decided to make it 1944.

If a discharged soldier was not in the last House, how is he to get these clothes with this money?

Ordnance Depot, Thatcham


asked the Secretary of State for War when the residents of Thatcham, Berkshire, may expect to re gain the use of the footpath closed during the war for the purpose of an ordnance depot; and if a decision has now been reached about the future of this depot.

I regret that I am not yet able to give a decision on the future of this depot, and that until this question has been settled the reopening of the foot path cannot be considered.

While the right hon. Gentleman is making up his mind, can he not allow the people of Thatcham an alternative right of way to get to and from their jobs in the mornings and evenings?

Barton Stacey Camp (Discipline)


asked the Secretary of State for War whether his attention has been drawn to repeated burglaries at Longparish, Hampshire, by soldiers identified as coming from Barton Staceycamp; that camp officers disclaim responsibility on the grounds that the matter is one for the local police; and whether, in view of the disquiet throughout the neighbourhood, he will take steps to re-establish discipline and control of personnel, particularly at night.

No, Sir, I was not aware of these incidents. I am making immediate inquiries and will write to the hon. Member.

While thanking the right hon. Gentleman for that reply, may I ask him to bear in mind that the officer in charge has said that nothing less than six policemen are required to maintain security in the village under present conditions, and that there is not one policeman there at the present time?

I am not responsible for the police, and I would not like to form an opinion on these allegations until I have investigated them.

Senior Training Corps


asked the Secretary of State for War if he will make a statement upon the future role and conditions of service of the Senior Training Corps in amplification of the Government's policy upon the future of the Cadet Forces.

I am not yet in a position to make a statement about the future of the Senior Training Corps, but I hope that an announcement will be made in the near future.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that I have been pressing for this information for over a year? We have been told at varying times to await decisions about compulsory military service, liability for auxiliary service, and the future of the Territorial Army. As all these things have now been decided, when can we expect a decision on this matter?

To a certain extent it bears on the composition of those at the universities. At present, most of them have no need for any further training, as they are ex-Service men, and a decision is not so urgent as it would appear to be. Within the next year, according to the composition of the university students, we shall make a decision.

Will my right hon. Friend see that their service does not compete with the academic years?



asked the Secretary of State for War how many officers and men of the British Army have been killed,


Casualties since VJ-Day (14th August, 1945) to 30th June, 1947 (latest date for which figures are available).

1. Deaths (all causes):
(a) From 1st August, 1945, to 31st January, 194722,404
(b) From 1st February, 1947, to 30th June, 1947840
(c) Total of deaths (all causes) reported as struck off strength from 1st August, 1945 (nearest date to VJ-Day) to 30th June, 194723,244
Reported in the period mentioned irrespective of the date when they occurred and may therefore include deaths which occurred earlier. Figures for the period Ist-I4th August, 1945, cannot be separated without considerable difficulty.

2. The only precise information readily available on battle casualties is as follows:
Covering period.Officers.Other Ranks.All Ranks.
(a) Killed and died of wounds.
Palestine1st August, 1945 to 30th June,156479
Java and Sumatra1947 1st October, 1945 to 9th November, 1946.3822
These figures are included in the totals of deaths from all causes given above.
(b) Wounded
Palestine1st August, 1945, to 30th June, 194724156180
Java and Sumatra1st October, 1945, to 9th November, 1946.6362125
(c) Missing
Palestine1st August, 1945, to 30th June, 1947None reported
Java and Sumatra1st October, 1945,10 9th November, 1946.61420

No information is readily available as to the numbers kidnapped.

With regard to the last part of the Question, figures for the period 1st January, 1947 to 30th June, 1947. in respect of Palestine only (no other date available) are as follow:

Office.Other Ranks.All Ranks.
(a) Killed and died of wounds72128
(b) Wounded10100110

wounded and kidnapped in the period from VJ-Day until 28th July, 1947;and how many in each case since 1st January 1947.

Following are the details:

Motor Vehicles, Germany


asked the Secretary of State for War whether he has yet completed the hand-over to the Ministry of Supply of the 10,000 motor vehicles referred to on page 31 of the May, 1947, Report of the Control Commission for Germany; and when he expects to complete his plans for disposing of the remainder.

Of the 10,000 vehicles which, at the end of May, were in course of inspection and hand-over to the Ministry of Supply, only some 600 remain on Army charge. These will be in the hands of the Ministry of Supply within the next few weeks. As a result of the reduction in the strength of the Army of the Rhine, a further 6,000 vehicles are now undergoing final inspection and segregation before handing over to the Ministry of Supply for disposal.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that handing over these vehicles to the Ministry of Supply is no guarantee that anything further will be heard of them?

Territorial Units (Equipment)


asked the Secretary of State for War how many Territorial infantry battalions are not yet complete to peace establishment in weapons and transport.

Commanding officers of all Territorial units have been instructed that they should not demand more transport or equipment than they can handle, house, and maintain. At present, no unit could maintain its complete peace equipment. Until units have obtained a sufficient number of recruits and, in most cases, additional buildings have been provided, the full peace scale of equipment and vehicles will not be issued.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there are many units which have sufficient recruits to maintain some equipment, that there are units today that have not one carrier, that have one anti-tank gun with nothing to pull it, and not sufficient wireless apparatus to carry out a skeleton exercise without borrowing from another unit? Does he not agree that three months after recruiting has opened for the Territorial Army this is disgraceful?

Where there are recruits in units, they will get sufficient equipment for their purpose.

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that the equipment is at least up to date, since the equipment being issued at present was obsolete in 1942?

I should not be surprised if, during the next two or three years, a certain amount of Army equipment became obsolete at the pace we are moving nowadays, but the Territorial Army will be equipped with the same equipment as the Regular Army.

Would not my right hon. Friend agree that the Territorial Army is incomparably better equipped than it was at the time of Munich, after many years of Conservative government?

Yes, Sir, very much better equipped, as many Members who were in the House then will recollect.

Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman will recollect the votes he cast against the provision of that equipment?

The right hon. Gentleman has been a bit hasty in putting that question to me. I do not think that I voted on that issue.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in the North-West, where units are struggling to be come fully established, recruiting has been retarded because there is no modern equipment?

I would not accept that for one moment. I can assure the House that there will be no shortage of equipment for the Territorial Army, even if they recruit up to the ceiling. If the hon. and gallant Gentleman knows of any particular case let him bring it to me, and I will look into it.

Polish Forces (Repatriation)


asked the Secretary of State for War the number of Poles now in the Polish land forces in this country who have refused either to be repatriated to Poland or to join the Polish Resettlement Corps; and how many of this category have been sent to the Continent.

As those figures seem to be about the same as we were given a month or so ago, can the right hon. Gentleman say what further progress he expects to make, and how much longer the public exchequer will have to pay these people, who neither work nor seem to want to work?

I am very optimistic about being able to persuade recalcitrant Poles either to go back to Poland or to join the Polish Resettlement Corps. If the hon. Gentleman will put another Question in a month's time, perhaps he will get some better figures.

In another month's time we shall be in Recess. Cannot the right hon. Gentleman take a decision about these people, so that we may be certain that the public Exchequer will not have to maintain them? These people should be given no better rights than those who will not work, and who have to go into public institutions. If they were offered the same rights as British civilians, they might change their attitude.

I do not want these Poles on my hands longer than is necessary. If the hon. Member will refer to an answer given by my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary recently, he will see that it is necessary to make deportation orders if these Poles will not join the Resettlement Corps or go back to Poland. We are dealing with these cases.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give us an assurance that none of them will be forcibly sent back, and can he tell us how many have refused to accept work?

I cannot give an assurance of that kind, but these Poles cannot remain on British benevolence indefinitely.


asked the Secretary of State for War how many Poles are stationed outside the United Kingdom; how many of these desire to be repatriated to Poland; how many have entered the Polish Resettlement Corps and how many refuse to do either; and when does he expect that all these Poles will be returned to this country or repatriated.

Approximately 13,500 Poles are stationed outside the United Kingdom. Some 2,000 of these are awaiting repatriation. None have joined the Polish Resettlement Corps, as it is possible to do this only in the United Kingdom. About 500 have stated that they will neither join the Polish Resettlement Corps nor return to Poland, but it is not yet clear how many of the balance will be willing to join the Polish Resettlement Corps, as in many cases they have not yet been asked. I hope that all members of the Polish Forces at present stationed abroad will have been either repatriated to Poland, resettled abroad, or brought to this country by the end of this year.

Does the right hon. Gentleman mean to tell the House that there are about 10,000 more, in addition to the 5,000 in this country, who will neither work nor go back to Poland; and that we now have a total of 15,000?

If the hon. Member will read my answer, he will see that he has misconstrued what I said. The figures are nothing like what he has suggested.

Economic Situation (Information)


asked the Prime Minister if he will give an assurance that figures relating to the country's economic position will not be divulged to outside bodies, such as the National Council of Labour and the T.U.C., by any member of the Cabinet before they are made available to Parliament.

It is the policy of His Majesty's Government to keep Parliament and both sides of industry fully informed about the country's economic position. But I certainly cannot give an assurance about bodies outside Parliament of such a restricting nature as the hon. Member proposes.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that "The Times" last Wednesday, said that the Chancellor gave detailed information to the National Council of Labour that had not been published to this House, and does he not think it derogatory to the standing of this ancient and honourable House that it should be turned by the Chancellor into a sub-committee of the Socialist Party?

If the hon. Member has any question to put to my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he had better put it to him. I am not prepared to rely on statements in newspapers. I see many startling matters of information about myself which are totally inaccurate.

Does not my right hon. Friend recall that in 1943 the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Woodford (Mr. Churchill) gave us a tremendous amount of information, when the expenses of delegates from the mining world were paid to come to the Central Hall. Westminster, and get all the figures they wanted in the effort to get more coal? What does it matter if my right hon. Friend gives figures about coal, exports, or textiles so long as we get the stuff?

Hon. Members must make up their minds what they want. If they want a Government that carries on by a strictly bureaucratic method, and has no intercourse with outside bodies, they can take it that way; but if they want a Government which, as is our practice, consults outside bodies and employers and employees, it is ridiculous to think that every time Ministers open their mouths they must see whether or not a statement has been made in the House.

The right hon. Gentleman does not deny that the Chancellor of the Exchequer gave that information last Wednesday?

I gave no information. If the hon. Gentleman wants to challenge the Chancellor of the Exchequer, let him challenge him.

Foreign Tourists (Visas)


asked the Prime Minister what agreement has been reached between the Treasury and the Ministry of Food with regard to the period for which foreign tourists are to be allowed this year to enter the United Kingdom; what instructions have been given on this matter to those issuing visas abroad; and what Minister is actually responsible for making a final decision on this matter.

My right hon. Friend the Minister of Food is not concerned with the period for which foreign tourists may enter the United Kingdom, but makes provision for them to obtain food whatever the length of stay.

As regards the nationals of many European countries, visas for journeys to the United Kingdom are no longer required. As regards nationals of other countries, if an applicant wants to come to this country for a period not exceeding six months, the Passport Control Officer is authorised to grant him a visa without reference to the Home Office. The visa is authority for the journey and does not govern the length of his stay here. The length of stay is in the first instance determined in each case by the Immigration Officer in the light of the information given by the foreigner as to the object of his visit. The Minister responsible for dealing with any applications for extensions of stay is my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that there is still a certain amount of confusion abroad amongst those who are trying to get people to come to this country, and uncertainty as to which Ministers want them to come and which do not? Does he also realise that, having appointed the Tourist Board under the Board of Trade, that ought to be the body not only to deal with everyone coming from abroad, but to see that a muddle, such as occurred in connection with the Norwegian children during the last few days, which does great damage to this country, does not go on?

Perhaps the hon. Member will put down a Question with regard to the Norwegian children, which does not come directly under my notice. I have answered the specific Question which the hon. Gentleman has put to me.

If vast numbers of people come from countries where visas are not required, is not the Tourist Board responsible for making sure that they are properly looked after?

National Finance

Dollar Reserves


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to what extent the drain on our dollar reserves has increased since 15th July.

There has been no substantial change in the drain during the fortnight since 15th July compared with the immediately preceding period. Arrangements with a number of countries for the transferability of sterling were, of course, in operation before 15th July.

Tobacco Duty (Concession)


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is now in a position to state when the concessions on cigarettes and tobacco already promised are likely to commence.

As soon as the necessary printing and other arrangements can be completed.

In view of the fact that it is three months since the Budget, is the Chancellor able to say whether he will be able to give notice of these concessions before the House rises for the Recess?

I do not want to name a date, because I do not want to cause disappointment among old people, if it cannot be firmly held. After all, the Finance Bill is hardly yet law. It was not possible to put these concessions into final preparation until the House approved the new Clause which I put down on the Report stage. I can assure the House that there is no intention to delay, but I would rather not name a date.

Nationalised Industries (Compensation)


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps he is taking to prevent the compensation to owners of industries about to be nationalised being vitiated by the recent fall in the value of Government securities, exemplified by the present price of 91¼ for the 2½ per cent. Treasury Stock issued last October

The terms of compensation will be settled when the time comes, having regard to the price of Government securities at that time.

Foreign Currency Allowances


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much foreign currency has been applied for, during the first six months of this year, for holiday expenditure abroad; and how many people he estimates have gone abroad on holiday during that time.

In view of the fact that it takes a long time for holiday associations to prepare dates to send people abroad, could he give any indication whether he thinks this is too great a sum, in view of the fact that many people are now preparing for their winter holidays abroad?

I think that the hon. Gentleman had better wait and see what is coming along.

Anglo-Iranian Oil Company


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much the total value of the shares in the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company owned by the nation has risen since 1st January.

Sterling Convertibility


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer with what countries arrangements have been concluded whereby sterling received by them from the International Fund becomes convertible; and whether such arrangements apply also to all sterling-area currencies.

No such arrangements are needed, since sterling received from the Fund, is not distinguished from other sterling currently accruing.

Does that mean that all the sterling we have made available to the International Monetary Fund is convertible; and does it further mean that all currencies within the sterling area are ex-changeable first, into sterling, and, secondly, into any other currency?

I have tried to put the answer very plainly to the hon. Gentleman's Question. No special problem arises with regard to moneys drawn from the Fund as distinct from the general problem of sterling currently accruing. Sterling drawn from the fund is sterling currently accruing.

Does this mean that in addition to sterling currently accruable, all sums drawn from the International Monetary Fund either in sterling or sterling area currencies are convertible?

Anglo-Uruguayan Payments Agreement


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer for what reason no counterclaims were made by His Majesty's Government against the sterling balances held by Uruguay before the payments agreement dated 15th July, 1947, was signed.

As in other cases, I have stated that His Majesty's Government reserve their position with regard to an adjustment of all sterling balances accumulated under war-time conditions.

His Majesty's Government from this answer seem always to be reserving their position; and may I ask the right hon. Gentleman, in view of the categorical assurances he has given this House respecting counterclaims, whether such assurances will be translated into action or for ever remain on the basis of "reserving their position"?


asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he has formed an estimate for the current financial year of the liability of convertibility assumed by His Majesty's Government under the Anglo-Uruguayan Payments Agreement.

It is expected that payments under this Agreement will approximately balance.

Trade And Commerce

Clothing Coupons (Foreign Tourists)


asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will arrange for tourists and visitors to this country to be issued with a supply of clothing coupons in order to assist in the export drive and at the same time give the retail trade an opportunity of participating in this business.

Retailers are allowed to accept orders from over seas visitors for delivery overseas, without the surrender of coupons, but I do not think I should be justified in giving coupons to foreign tourists.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the formalities are so formidable that very few such exports take place? Will he try to simplify the formalities?

While we try to simplify the formalities, they must, by the nature of things, be rather formidable. It is necessary in some cases to require export licences. We are making every effort to do our best for the people to go to retailers to buy goods to be delivered to ships or aeroplanes.

What is the point of this? Is it not true that when a foreign tourist buys clothing in this country, it is equivalent to helping the export drive, and that this is stopping the export drive. Cannot it be looked at again?

We are not necessarily stopping the export drive if we refuse to give coupons to overseas visitors, because we do not know what is going to happen to the coupons.

Us Printed Matter (Imports)


asked the President of the Board of Trade under what arrangement U.S. fiction is imported into this country; and what he estimates will be its cost to us in a whole year.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the full statement on this matter which was circulated in the OFFICIAL REPORT in reply to a Question by the hon. Member for Mid-Bedford (Mr. Lennox-Boyd) on 17th April last. The total value of books of all kinds and other printed matter for reading purposes imported from the U.S.A. during the first six months of 1947 was approximately £689,000. I am unable at present to give any estimate of the value of the fiction included in this total.

Does that figure include printed matter which could hardly be described as being for reading, but is presumably intended for morons who can follow sensational stories only in pictures?

Business Of The House

Motion made, and Question put,

"That this day, notwithstanding anything in Standing Order No. 14, Business other than the Business of Supply may be taken before Ten o'clock and that the Proceedings on

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Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)Fletcher, E. G. M (Islington, E.)Marshall, F. (Brightside)
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)Foot, M. M.Mathers, G.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe)Forman, J. C.Medland, H. M.
Alpass, J. H.Fraser, T. (Hamilton)Melish, R. J.
Anderson, A. (Motherwell)Gallacher, W.Middleton, Mrs. L
Attewell, H C.Ganley, Mrs C. S.Mikardo, Ian
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R.George, Lady M. Lloyd (Anglesey)Mitchison, G. R
Awbery, S. S.Gilzean, A.Moody, A S.
Ayles, W. H.Glanville, J. E. (Consett)Morley, R.
Ayrton Gould, Mrs. BGreenwood, A. V. J. (Heywood)Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)
Bacon, Miss A.Grenfell, D. RMorris, P. (Swansea, W.)
Balfour, A.Grey, C. F.Morris, Hopkin (Carmarthen)
Barton, C.Grierson, E.Morrison, Rt. Hon. H (Lewisham, E.)
Battley, J. R.Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley)Mort, D. L.
Bechervaise, A. E.Guest, Dr L HadenMoyle, A.
Belcher, J. W.Gunter, R JMurray, J. D.
Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F J.Guy, W. H.Nally, W.
Benson, G.Haire, John E. (Wycombe)Neal, H. (Claycross)
Beswick, F.Hall, W. G.Nichol, Mrs. M. E. (Bradford, N.)
Bing, G H. C.Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. RNicholls, H. R. (Stratford)
Binns, J.Hardy, E. A.Noel-Baker, capt. F. E. (Brentford)
Blackburn, A. R.Harrison, J.Noel-Buxton, Lady
Blyton, W. R.Henderson, A. (Kingswinford)Oldfield, W. H.
Boardman, H.Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)Orbach, M.
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton)Herbison, Miss M.Paget, R. T
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)Hicks GPaling, Will T. (Dewsbury)
Bramall, E. A.Holman, P.Parkin, B. T.
Brook, D. (Halifax)House, G.Pearson, A.
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)Hoy, J.Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)
Brown, George (Belper)Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.)Porter, G. (Leeds)
Brown, T. J, (Ince)Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)Price, M. Philips
Buchanan, G.Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme)Pritt, D. N.
Burden, T. W.Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)Proctor, W T
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)Hynd, J B. (Attercliffe)Pryde, D. J
Byers, FrankIrving, W. J.Randall, H E
Carmichael, JamesJanner, B.Ranger, J.
Champion, A. J.Jeger, G. (Winchester)Rankin, J
Chetwynd, G. R.Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley)Rees-Williams, D. R.
Cluse, W. S.Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools)Reeves, J
Cocks, F. S.,Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin)Rhodes, H
Coldrick, WKeenan, W.Ridealgh, Mrs. M.
Collick, PKey, C. W.Robens, A.
Collindridge, F.Kinley, J.Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Colman, Miss G MKirby, B. V.Royle, C
Corlett, Dr. J.Kirkwood, DScollan, T.
Corvedale, ViscountLang, G.Scott-Elliot, W
Cove, W. G.Lavers, S.Segal, Dr. S.
Crawley, ALawson, Rt. Hon. JSharp, Granville
Daines, P.Leslie, J. R.Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)
Davies, Clement (Montgomery)Levy, B. W.Skeffington, A. M.
Davies, Edward (Burslem)Lewis, A W J. (Upton).Skeffington-Lodge, T. C.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield)Lewis, J. (Bolton)Skinnard, F. W.
Davies, Harold (Leek)Lindsay, K. M. (Comb'd Eng. Unjv.)Smith, C. (Colchester)
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S. W)Lipson, D. LSmith, H. N. (Nottingham, S.)
Davies, S. O (Merthyr)Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.Snow, Capt J W
Deer, G.Logan, D. G.Sparks, J. A
Delargy, H. J.Lyne, A WStamford, W
Diamond, J.McAdam, W.Stephon C.
Dodds, N. N.McAllister, GStewart, Capt. Michael (Fulham, E.)
Driberg, T. E. N.McEntee, V. La T.Stross, Dr. B.
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)McGhee, H. GStubbs, A. E.
Dumpleton, C. WMcGovern, J.Swingler, S.
Durbin, E. F. MMack, J. D.Sylvester, G O.
Dye, S.McKay, J (Wallsend)Symonds, A. L.
Edelman, M.Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N. W)Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Edwards, Rt. Hon. Sir C. (Bedwellty)McKinlay, A. S.Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Edwards, John (Blackburn)Maclean, N (Govan)Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
Edwards, N. (Caerphilly)McLeavy, F.Thomas, D E. (Aberdare)
Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel)MacMillan, M. K. (Western Isles)Thomas, Ivor (Keighley)
Evans, John (Ogmore)Macpherson, T. (Romford)Thomas, I. O (Wrekin)
Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)Mainwaring, W. H.Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Ewart, RMallalieu, J. P. WThomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Farthing, W. J.Mann, Mrs. J.Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton)
Fernyhough, E.Manning, Mrs L. (Epping)Thurtle, Ernest

Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[ Mr. Herbert Morrison.]

The House divided: Ayes, 251; Noes, 109.

Tiffany, S.Watkins, T. E.Williams, J. (Kelvingrove)
Timmons, J.Watson, W. M.Williams, W R. (Heston)
Titterington, M. F.Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)Wilson, J. H.
Tolley, L.Wells, P. L. (Faversham)Woods, G. S.
Vernon, Maj. W. F.Wells, W. T. (Walsall)Wyatt, W.
Viant, S. P.While, H. (Derbyshire, N. E.)Yates, V. F.
Wadsworth, GWhiteley, Rt. Hon. W.Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Walkden, E.Wilkins, W A.
Walker, G. H.Willey, F T. (Sunderland)TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)Willey, O. G. (Cleveland)Mr. Simmons and Mr. Hannan.
Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)Williams, D. J. (Neath)


Agnew, Cmdr. P. G.Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir C.Ponsonby, Col. C. E
Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Scot. Univ.)Hinchingbrooke, ViscountPoole, O. B- S. (Oswestry)
Baldwin, A. EHollis, M. C.Prescott, Stanley
Barlow, Sir JHolmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich)Price-White, Lt.-Col. D.
Baxter, A. B.Hope, Lord J.Raikes, H. V.
Beechman, N. A.Hulbert, Wing-Cdr. N. J.Ramsay, Major S.
Birch, NigelHurd, A.Reed, Sir S. (Aylesbury)
Boothby, R.Hutchison, Lt.-Cdr. Clark (Edin'gh, W)Reid, Rt. Hon. J. S. C. (Hillhead)
Boyd-Carpenter, J. A.Hutchison, Col. J. R. (Glasgow, C.)Roberts, Maj P. G (Ecclesall)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W.Keeling, E. H.Robinson, Wing-Comdr. Roland
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Kerr, Sir J. GrahamRopner, Col. L
Bullock Capt. MLegge-Bourke, Maj. E. A HRoss, Sir R. D. (Londonderry)
Carson, E.Lennox-Boyd, A T.Sanderson Sir F.
Challen, C.Lindsay, M (Solihull)Scott, Lord W.
Clifton-Brown, Lt.-Col G.Lloyd, Maj. Guy (Renfrew, E.)Shephard, S. (Newark)
Cooper-Key, E. M.Lloyd, Selwyn (Wirral)Shepherd, W. S. (Bucklow)
Corbett, Lieut.-Col. U. (Ludlow)Low, Brig. A. R. W.Smith. E. P. (Ashford)
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E.Lucas, Major Sir J.Snadden, W. M.
Crowder, Capt. John E.Lucas-Tooth, Sir H.Spence, H. R.
Darling, Sir W. Y.MacAndrew, Col. Sir C.Stanley, Rt. Hon. O
Dodds-Parker, A. D.Macdonald, Sir P. (I. of Wight)Stoddart-Scott, Col M.
Denner, Sqn.-Ldr P. WMackeson, Brig. H R.Strauss, H. G. (English Universities)
Dower, Lt.-Col A V. G. (Penrith)Macpherson, N. (Dumfries)Stuart, Rt. Hon. J. (Moray)
Drewe, CMaitland, Comdr. J. W.Sutcliffe, H
Dugdale, Maj. Sir T. (Richmond)Manningham-Buller, R E.Taylor, C. S (Eastbourne)
Eden, Rt. Hon. A.Marlowe, A. A. HTaylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (P'dd't'n, S.)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. WalterMarsden, Capt. ATeeling, William
Errell, F. J.Marshall, D. (Bodmin)Thornton-Kemsley, C. N
Fleming, Sqn.-Ldr E L.Mellor, Sir J.Touche, G C.
Fletcher, W (Bury)Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir T.Turton, R. H
Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)Morris-Jones, Sir H.Vane, W. M. F.
Gammans, L. D.Morrison, Rt Hon. W S. (Cirencester)Williams, C (Torquay)
Gomme-Duncan, Col. A.Nield, B (Chester)Williams, Gerald (Tonbridge)
Grant, LadyOrr-Ewing I. L.
Grimston, R. V.Osborne, C.TELLERS FOR THE NOES
Hare, Hon J H (Woodbridge)Peake, Rt Hon. O.Major Conant and
Haughton, S. G.Peto, Brig. C. H. M.Lieut.-Colonel Thorp.
Head, Brig. A HPickthorn, K.

Orders Of The Day



Considered in Committee.

[Major MILNER in the Chair]

Civil Estimates, 1947–48

Motion made, and Question proposed,

That a further sum, not exceeding £50, be granted to His Majesty towards defraying the charges for the following services connected with Colonial administration for the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1948, namely:

Civil Estimates, 1947–48
Class I., Vote 8, Colonial Office£10
Class II., Vote 9, Colonial and Middle Eastern Services£10
Class II., Vote 10, West African Produce Control Board£10
Class II., Vote 11, Development and Welfare (Colonies, &c.)£10
Class X., Vote 3, Ministry of Food£10

—[ Mr. Creech Jones.]

Colonial Affairs

3.41 p.m.

The Secretary of State for the Colonies
(Mr. Creech Jones)