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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 445: debated on Wednesday 17 December 1947

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Royal Air Force

Materials, Chipping Norton

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he will make available for local purchase by auction or otherwise the plywood, wooden boxes, corrugated iron, asbestos roofing, canvas curtains, petrol pumps and storage tanks at Chipping Norton aerodrome.

This airfield is used as an Air Ministry storage depot, and the materials in question are not surplus. They are part of my Department's working stock of packing and building materials and equipment.

In view of the allegations that huge quantities of these things have, in fact, been destroyed, will the Secretary of State make inquiries and see that any such surpluses are made available rather than that they should be burned?

Following the question which the hon. Gentleman addressed to me three weeks ago I did initiate inquiries into the suggestions that were made, and it has been reported to me that there is no foundation for any suggestion that materials are being burnt improperly or being allowed to deteriorate.

Horticultural Advisers

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Air how many experienced horticultural officers are employed by his Ministry for food production and other duties for the whole of Great Britain including Air Ministry, London, Northern Ireland, Germany, the Middle East and the Far East; and what are the terms of their employment.

There are five posts of horticultural adviser, of which one is vacant at the moment, for stations in the United Kingdom and Germany. Elsewhere overseas, advice is obtained locally. The senior horticultural adviser is paid on a scale rising from £600 to £800 a year, and the others on a scale of £500 to £600 a year.

In view of the excellent production which has been obtained by reason of these officers, is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that the terms offered are sufficiently good to attract the right type of man?

The question of remuneration is under examination at the present moment.

Requisitioned Land, Langham (Release)

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Air on what date his Department decided to relinquish 17½ acres of land taken over from the Essex War Agricultural Committee in 1942 for incorporation in Boxted Aerodrome, Langham; when this relinquishment was formerly notified to the Ministry of Agriculture; and why delay took place, in view of the urgent need to get this land into cultivation for food production.

My Department decided to relinquish part of this land late in August of this year, and the other part in September, and the Ministry of Agriculture were notified in the first half of October. This land is not, however, available for cultivation, because it has buildings on it which are being transferred to other Government Departments for housing purposes. I should like to express my regret that one of the owners of the land was led to believe that it would shortly be returned to him.

Civil Aviation

Corporations (Services)

7.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation how many of the B.E.A. services have been speeded up since 1st August; and what percentage increase in petrol consumption has resulted.

The answer to the first part of the Question is "Nine," and to the last part, "None, Sir."

Will the Parliamentary Secretary say how he gets an increase of speed without at the same time getting increased petrol consumption?

9.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he will give a list of the services operated by the three Corporations, which when working to a full capacity, must of necessity involve a loss.

No, Sir. It would not be in the public interest to give this information.

If, as I believe to be the case, there are runs which are losing as much as £8,000 on a return trip, is it not time the public knew the true facts about British civil aviation?

To take individual routes out of the network of services provided would be unfair and would not give the correct picture.

Is it not a fact that certain aircraft are not being operated on their full permissible pay load and that as a result losses amounting to hundreds of thousands of pounds are taking place?

Permissible pay loads may not always coincide with the operator's view in regard to safety, and safety is the first factor.

If the Parliamentary Secretary cannot give the losses for individual lines, can he give the gross figure of loss?

The House will have that information when the accounts of the three Corporations are published shortly.

When the hon. Gentleman says that it would not be in the public interest to give the information, does he mean that it would be contrary to the public interest to give it, and, if so, would he say why?

No, Sir. One is prepared to give information which one's competitors are prepared to give. Discussions are going on now through the International Civil Aviation Organisation to get all airline operators to agree to give statistics which will enable the public to judge for themselves; such agreed statistics will not place one operator at a disadvantage with another in regard to the information provided.

11.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation why B.O.A.C. have been failing to deliver passengers and mail in Teheran according to schedule.

Because of restrictions on transit imposed by certain Governments arising out of the cholera epidemic in Egypt and a report of plague in Persia.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Dutch, Swedish and French airlines have been able to keep a regular service going merely because they took the trouble to avoid Baghdad and fly straight from Lydda to Teheran? Is it not a pity for the sake of British prestige that we are not capable of making some alternative arrangements?

The flight stages and the pay load to be carried over them must be left to the individual operator to determine.

It is not a fact that private charter companies are keeping up a very accurate schedule for their flights in this area.

It is not a question of accurate flights but of not being able to operate into a particular airport because of restrictions on account of health regulations. The first supplementary question suggested that certain points could have been reached by over-flying other points, but they were not over-flown in this case.

Prestwick (Runways)

8.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation what is the position of the construction of the third runway at Prestwick Airport; and whether he is now satisfied that development of the two existing runways will meet all reasonable needs.

In the present economic circumstances this work has necessarily been deferred. The answer to the second part of the Question is, "Yes, Sir, for the time being."

Will the Parliamentary Secretary give an assurance that these runways will be brought into a condition which will allow Prestwick to continue to fulfil the role of a first-class international airport, which the traffic during the past summer has abundantly justified?

Yes, Sir, and its meteorological conditions will assist in the matter.

Boac Staff, Augusta

12.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation what is the present position concerning an allocation of films for the B.O.A.C. staff at Augusta, Sicily; and whether Augusta will remain a B.O.A.C. port of call after 31st December, 1947.

The first part of the Question is a matter of management and is the responsibility of the Corporation. Future staging post facilities in Italy for B.O.A.C. flying boat services are under discussion with the Italian authorities.

With regard to the first part of the Question, is the hon. Gentleman aware that the company is hoping, and has been hoping, to get these films and that nothing has been done about it? Is it not within the purview of the Minister to do something about it? With regard to the second part of the Question, will he definitely answer me whether or not Augusta has been turned down by the Italians after 31st December, which is very near now?

As to the first part of the Question, it is a matter of staff welfare in which the operator and the staff are desirous of providing facilities for persons in isolated spots. Any and every facility we as a Ministry and His Majesty's Government can properly give to the operator, we will give. As to the second part of the Question, Augusta is being operated under an interim agreement until a commercial agreement is negotiated. Those negotiations are at present being carried on, and we hope they will be brought to a satisfactory conclusion.

Can the hon. Gentleman say whether the name "Augusta, Sicily" is the name of a "Tory brat?"

Minister's Journey (Chartered Aircraft)

13.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation why the empty seats in sectors other than Karachi to Singapore were not filled in the aircraft specially chartered to carry the Minister of Civil Aviation on his recent visit to Australia and the Far East in view of the waiting list of passengers, and the saving in cost of this trip to the taxpayer.

Is it not a fact that on certain sections of short haul, seats were available and were not available only for the long haul between Karachi and Singapore? Why were those empty seats over the short section not used?

No, Sir. I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman's information is wrong. A Lancastrian fitted out for the Australian route carries six persons, with sleeping bunks, and that is the passenger pay load throughout the route.

Can the Minister say that the aircraft was used for sleeping purposes and that the normal stops for sleeping were not made?

The answer is a combination of both. Stops were made and the aircraft was also used for sleeping purposes.

Feltham Sand And Gravel Company (Contract)

14.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation why the contract recently given by his Department to the Feltham Sand and Gravel Company Limited was not put out to public tender.

The company is being granted a lease of gravel-bearing land at Heston owned by the Ministry of Civil Aviation in return for the sale by the company to the Ministry of a gravel bearing site at Stanwell. The company had already received planning consent to excavate there but the site is now required for housing London Airport employees.

In view of the business relationship in another connec- tion between the chairman of this company and the Parliamentary Secretary's brother, would it not hare been wiser, in order to prevent disquieting rumours getting about, to put this contract out to public tender?

I was completely unaware that there was any connection in any shape or form and I should very much doubt it, but I accept the hon. Gentleman's statement. My brother is an accountant but what he is associated with, goodness alone knows.

Tudor Aircraft

15.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation in what respects the Tudor Aircraft has proved unsatisfactory for the North Atlantic; and what are the observations of the Courtney Committee of investigation on this matter.

An interim report by the Courtney Committee has been received, is under consideration by His Majesty's Government and until that consideration has been completed no useful purpose would be served by making any statement.

The Parliamentary Secretary made a statement on this matter about a fortnight ago and it was in order to elucidate the statement he then made that I asked this Question. What are the grounds for suggesting that this aircraft will not fly the North Atlantic, and is it true that the Courtney Committee, as announced on the wireless on Tuesday, has said that it could fly the North Atlantic?

In so far as the B.B.C. announcement is concerned, the hon. Member will remember that the B.B.C. stated "It is understood." Why the B.B.C. understood that I do not know. My previous statement was in relation to the B.O.A.C. claims that the weight, range and payload of the aircraft made it uneconomic, and any further questions should await the publication of the Report or a statement from the Government.

Does the Parliamentary Secretary mean to say that he had no evidence whatever, other than the assumption of B.O.A.C., for saying that the Tudor had been proved unsatisfactory for the North Atlantic service and that it would be unwise to permit it to do that service? Had he not already seen the Courtney Report?

No, Sir. The Courtney Committee had not reported: my answer to the House was on the basis of statements made by the operators and others in association with the aircraft. All the statements stand.

Can we take it for granted that the Courtney Report will be made public, and when may we expect its publication?

I cannot answer that question. All I can say is that it is under consideration by the Government, and that it is for the Government to make the decision and no doubt announce it to the House.

Balkan States (Ussr Troops)

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the U.S.S.R. has carried out its undertaking, under the Treaty of Peace with Bulgaria, to withdraw all troops from Bulgaria by 15th December; and under the Treaties of Peace with Roumania and Hungary, to reduce its forces in those countries by 15th December to the strength necessary to guard the Soviet lines of communications with Austria.

We are awaiting reports from our Legations in the three countries concerned on this subject.

Bahrein Island (Status)

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what is the attitude of His Majesty's Government towards any change in the existing status of Bahrein Island in the Persian Gulf.

His Highness the Sheikh of Bahrein is recognised as the ruler of an Independent State under the protection of His Majesty's Government and in special Treaty relations with them. His Majesty's Government see no reason for any change in this status.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that both the present ruler of Bahrein and his predecessor have pursued a very enlightened and progressive policy in the Island, and that his statement will give wide satisfaction?

Germany

Venereal Disease (Medical Examination)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether compulsory arrest of Germans for medical examination in respect of V.D. still continues in the British zone of Germany; how many have been arrested during the past year compared with the previous year; and what percentage have been found to be suffering from this disease.

I have called for a report on the matter referred to in my hon. Friend's Question, and I will communicate with him as soon as possible.

I take it from that answer that we still have responsibility in that matter, and if the report shows that the present method has proved of little value, will that procedure be reconsidered?

Petrol Supplies

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will revise the arrangement in Germany under which British personnel are allowed petrol to cover 500 miles of recreational transport each month.

No, Sir. Five hundred miles a month is a maximum. I am making inquiries into the working of the scheme, which will, of course, be affected by the recent cut of 25 per cent. imposed on the Control Commission's petrol consumption.

Is it not because there is no other means of transport in Germany that the Control Commission has found it necessary to allocate petrol to people so that they may communicate with each other?

I have had strong representations made to me on this question of petrol consumption and communications, and I am looking into the whole matter.

Can my right hon. Friend tell me whether the whole of this petrol is used solely for business purposes or for pleasure as well?

Mainly for business purposes. I think it is for business purposes on the way out and for pleasure on the way home.

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what accounts for the irregular and inconvenient shortage of petrol coupons in the British zone of Germany, and as some German pumps are unable to honour even those which are available, if he will cause an investigation to be made into the administration of petrol supplies generally.

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs why the petrol supply for the British occupation authorities in Germany has partially broken down; and what steps are being taken to remedy this state of affairs.

There has been no breakdown in petrol supplies in Germany. Authority to issue petrol coupons to nonmilitary users, such as Press correspondents, commercial representatives and welfare organisations was transferred from B.A.O.R. to the Zonal Travel Directorate on 1st November. Coupons held then had to be exchanged for new ones. The demand for new coupons proved unexpectedly large, and a temporary shortage resulted in Berlin. Steps have been taken to remedy the shortage.

Anglo-Usa Agreement

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the agreement concluded between the United Kingdom and the United States on the future financing of the bi-zonal area in Germany.

Yes, Sir. I am pleased to be able to state that agreement has now been reached and that the Agreement will be signed in Washington later this afternoon. The text is being prepared as a White Paper. I am arranging for advance copies to be placed in the Library of the House at 5 p.m. tomorrow.

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has taken note of the recent public claim of the United States Secretary of the Army that henceforward America would control the economic and financial policies of the Anglo-American zones of Germany; and whether he will represent to the United States Government that in any plans which may be decided on it is the view of His Majesty's Government that Britain should have an equal say with the United States.

The answer to the first part of the Question is, "Yes, Sir." As regards the second part of the Question, I would prefer not to anticipate the statement which will be released tonight. I may, however, say that the negotiations are limited to questions of the financing of supplies and the operation and constitution of the Joint Export-Import Agency and the Joint Foreign Exchange Agency.

Russian-Born Wives (British Ex-Service Men)

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if, during the Foreign Ministers' Conference in London, he has represented to Mr. Molotov the concern felt by the continued retention in Russia of the Russian-born wives of British ex-Service men; and what is the result of any such representations by him.

Can the right hon. Gentleman hold out any hope to the husbands of these women that they will ever see their wives again?

Have the Russian Government ever revealed their motive in retaining these wives.

Bulgaria (Military Strengths)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what is the present strength, shown separately, of the Bulgarian Army, the militia, the labour battalions in recepit of any form of military training or under military discipline, and of any other military or semi-military units or organisations in Bulgaia; and whether His Majesty's Government have full details of the training and equipment of all such units and formations.

Our estimates of the present strength of military and semi-military units and organisations in Bulgaria are as follow:

Army.—76, 000.
Frontier guards.—10,000.
Militia (which is a police force).—80,000 to 100,000.
Labour battalions (who receive little serious military training and whose strength fluctuates according to season).—40,000 to 80,000.
The Bulgarian Government were asked last October for details of strengths, training and equipment but have not yet furnished this information.

Will the right hon. Gentleman agree that the figures he has given the House make very disquieting comparison with Article 9 of the Peace Treaty with Bulgaria, which limits the Armies to 55,000, and Articles 10 and 11 which insist that any personnel in excess of this figure should not be in receipt of any military training and should be disbanded by March?

Europe (Marshall Plan)

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign. Affairs what steps are being taken to develop cooperative economic action between the 16 European nations which accepted the Marshall Plan.

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what steps have been taken, or will be taken, by this country in the direction of proposing to the other 15 nations signatories to the Marshall Plan Report to set up an administrative body to administer the Plan; and if he will make a statement.

As the answer is rather long, I will, with permission circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied that everything that might be done is being done in this regard, in view of the stress laid on the Harvard speech, and the opinion which is obviously prevelant in the United States that Europe is rather hanging back in this matter?

I do not agree that Europe is hanging back. Europe is in a very difficult position. It is difficult for Europe to know what steps to take until Congress has taken its decision, but we are moving with great speed and I do not think we can be accused in Europe of being slow in taking advantage of the Harvard speech.

Would the right hon. Gentleman agree that it will, in the main, facilitate the Marshall Plan to have some sort of administrative body set up in advance, so that when the Plan is agreed on the other side there will be somebody to function?

Yes, but that depends on how Congress lays down the conditions. We do not know whether Congress will lay down conditions so that, although there is a global allocation, it may have to be bilaterally negotiated, and we cannot anticipate what the final decision of Congress will be. That is the great difficulty which we are seeking to overcome at the present moment.

May I ask my right hon. Friend whether the European Committee for Economic Co-operation which already exists is to be used for this purpose?

I do not think so directly in connection with the Marshall aid, because the Economic Commission for Europe covers Europe as a whole, and a large number of the countries in Europe have contracted entirely out and have refused to co-operate in this aid.

Is it true that a majority of the 16 nations were anxious to see a fully-fledged customs union created, and is it also true that the British representative opposed that?

No, it is not true. What we did was to point out that Britain cannot be exclusively a member of a customs union of Europe. As I have explained so many times, the contribution to the equilibrium of this country from Europe is about 25 per cent., and the great bulk of our trade and commerce is with the Commonwealth and with outside countries. Therefore, our endeavour is to do what we can to assist a European customs union, and at the same time to do what we can to maintain the external trade of this country, in order that our prosperity may be secured.

May I ask the Foreign Secretary if his answers mean that no plan or plans have been made in advance in anticipation of Congress agreeing to grant aid to Europe?

We are like a military organisation—it depends on how the other forces move which plan we bring out.

Following is the answer:

As I stated in the House on 9th December, the Governments which participated in the Paris Conference are not in a position to take steps to set up the joint organisation to review progress in the execution of the European Recovery Programme until the means for carrying out that programme are made available. I should like, however, to assure the hon. Member that His Majesty's Government, for their part are resolved at the appropriate time to play their full part, in association with the French Government, their co-sponsors of the Paris Conference, in the establishment and operation of such an organisation, which they are convinced will be necessary and which will be an important and responsible factor in the carrying through of the European Recovery Programme. In the meantime, our policy is to participate to the fullest possible extent in the continued joint study of the specific problems to which I shall refer in a moment and also to engage, whenever opportunity offers, in consultations with other countries in an effort to relieve the economic ills of Europe.

2. We also feel that if members of the Committee of European Economic Co-operation are to receive generous assistance from the United States and perhaps other countries in the Western Hemisphere, in order to enable them to regain their economic stability, it is only natural that they should be called upon in return so to organise themselves that the assistance received is fully and effectively utilised.

3. Meanwhile I would like to take this opportunity of pointing out that close consultation and co-operation between the countries concerned is already taking place on a number of specific subjects closely related to the Paris Report and to the fulfilment of the European Recovery Programme.

  • (i) The Payments Agreements Committee has had two plenary meetings and is pursuing the problem of currency transferability within Europe to the fullest possible extent in the absence of dollar assistance. Machinery has been set up for facilitating compensation transactions between the constituent countries. His Majesty's Government are co-operating in this scheme as occasional members.
  • (ii) The Customs Union Study Group, at its first meeting in Brussels in November, decided that perhaps the best way of directing attention to the complex problems involved would be to concentrate in the first instance on the question of a common tariff. An examination of this problem is now proceeding and will be reviewed at the next meeting of the Group in January. Meanwhile, His Majesty's Government are making available to the Secretariat of the Customs Union Study Group in Brussels a tariff expert to assist in the study now in progress.
  • (iii) As envisaged in the Man-Power Report of the Committee, the Italian Government is calling a meeting in January to continue the study of manpower questions as they affect the sixteen countries participating in the Paris Conference.
  • (iv) In the field of electric power, while the plan sponsored by the Committee must await the provision of equipment, I understand that considerable progress has been made on a European basis with the selection of the most economic hydro-electric prospects in the Alpine-Danubian area, and with a survey in areas of Western and Eastern Europe of low-grade fuel avail-abilities for thermal power stations, together with an examination of the type of power station most suitable technically for use with the fuel available. The results of these surveys will be available shortly.
  • 4. In addition we are continuing to participate fully in the work of the Economic Commission for Europe, at Geneva, which has now taken over the work of the emergency economic committees formerly established in London and Paris. Sub-committees have been set up on steel and manpower, and are likely to get down to business in the New Year. Working parties of the Commission have as suggested in the Paris Report, been examining inland transport problems such as the standardisation of rolling stock, the interchangeability of working parts, flows of traffic and the pooling of freight cars; the recommendations on these problems are likely to be transmitted to Governments in the near future. The timber sub-committee has had one meeting and expects to have another in January.

    5. The investigation of mining machinery manufacturing capacity, which the Paris Conference asked the European Coal Organisation to undertake, is being pursued by that Organisation and will be continued by its successor, the Coal Committee of the Economic Commission for Europe.

    6. At the same time the United Kingdom, no doubt in common with every country which participated in the Paris Conference, is concentrating its efforts on increasing its own production in order to enable it to play its full part in the programme when this takes effect. It would not, I think, be inappropriate for me to mention that, as regards coal exports, we are beating the timetable of the Paris Report, albeit in small measure, by beginning a modest programme of exports on the 1st January, 1948.

    West Africa (Groundnuts, Stocks)

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many tons of groundnuts are estimated to be stored up-country in West Africa; and what is the reason for the delay in bringing them to this country.

    On 4th December, there were 70,642 tons of groundnuts from the 1946–47 crop stored up-country in Nigeria and a further 46,625 tons of tin new crop, making a total of 117,267 tons. Difficulties on the Nigerian railways are responsible for the delay in clearing these crops and much attention has been given to the problem. In this connection, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 10th December to the hon. Member for Abingdon (Sir R. Glyn).

    May I ask the Secretary of State to point out to those responsible for Colonial development the need to concentrate on transport to move those commodities already produced before producing more of them?

    Transport bottlenecks are pretty common in many Colonial territories just now, but we are concentrating on that matter and trying to get all necessary material in order that these difficulties are removed.

    Is there any truth in the statement that the crops are likely to be endangered by locusts?

    Is there likely to be, or has there already been, any deterioration of the 1946–47 crop?

    Aden (Disturbances)

    34.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the recent communal disturbances in Aden.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the statement made in reply to the Private Notice Question by the hon. Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman) on 10th December. No more detailed reports of casualties and damage are yet available. The situation has remained quiet. Naval shore parties have been withdrawn, and in view of arrangements for British Army reinforcements, it is not expected that further assistance from the Royal Navy will be necessary.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman reassure the House that at this moment there are enough armed Forces in Aden to prevent a recurrence of that disastrous outbreak.

    I do not know about being able to prevent a recurrence, but we have reinforced the Services there, and I hope that any situation which may arise can be kept well under control.

    Palestine

    Rockefeller Archaeological Museum

    35.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will draw the attention of the United Nations Organisation to the risk that the valuable and irreplaceable contents of the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum in Jerusalem may be looted or damaged if the museum area be the scene of fighting; and whether he will state the present and future position of the museum's endowments.

    A working committee of the Trusteeship Council is now preparing a draft statute for the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the plan for the future of the city approved by the United Nations on 29th November. I shall arrange for the United Kingdom representative on the working committee to draw its attention to the risk referred to by the hon. Member. The endowment of the museum is held in investments valued on 30th June of this year at 320,000. Income from the endowment during the present financial year is estimated at £P.9,500. Consideration is being given to the future of this endowment so as to ensure its continued application to the purposes for which it was created.

    Will the Secretary of State keep the risk to the museum and its contents under constant review?

    Currency Board

    36.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will make a statement about the future of the Palestine Currency Board.

    The question will have to be discussed with the United Nations Committee, but I see no reason to doubt that the existing Board will continue to function, in the interests of holders of currency and Palestine generally, pending an orderly transition to whatever arrangements may in due course be made for the future management of the currency of Palestine.

    Jewish Immigrants (Transhipment)

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what ships are still available to the Government of Palestine for the transhipment of unauthorised Jewish immigrants; how long these ship, will continue to be available; and what is to be their ultimate disposal.

    With regard to the first part of the Question, there has been no change since the reply given to my hon. Friend on 5th November. These vessels will continue to be available so long as they are required for their present purpose. Questions regarding their future disposal should be addressed to the Minister of Transport.

    Is my right hon. Friend aware that the sooner these ships revert to their original purpose of carrying food supplies to this country, the better it will be for all concerned?

    Tanganyika

    Poles (Resettlement)

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what action is being taken to resettle the Poles at present in Tanganyika Territory in more suitable surroundings.

    The majority of these Poles are the dependants of members of the Polish Forces in this country, and will be brought here to join their relatives as soon as the necessary arrangements can be made. A few have already left. The question of the resettlement of the remainder is in the hands of the Preparatory Commission of the International Refuge Organisation.

    Railway Official (Dismissal)

    38.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he has inquired into the case of Mr. Edmund Way, who was recently discharged from the Tanganyika Railways, and which was referred to him by the hon. Member for Taunton; and if he will make a statement.

    I have not yet received the Governor's report. I will communicate with my hon. Friend when it arrives.

    Mauritius (Dismissed Official)

    39.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies for what reasons Mr. Louis Baudot was dismissed from his employment with the Board of Quatre Bornes, Mauritius; and why he has not been awarded a pension after 20 years' service.

    Mr. Louis Baudot was dismissed from the service of the Board of Commissioners for Quatre Bornes with effect from the 1st March, 1945, On the grounds that in his capacity of Secretary and Treasurer to the Board he obtained six bicycle tyres from the Supply Control Department in his capacity as Secretary of the Board, whereas only three of these tyres were actually purchased and paid for out of the Board's funds. He subsequently sold a bicycle tyre for Rs.30 when the scheduled price was Rs.4.90. The Board of Commissioners decided to dismiss Mr. Baudot. In these circumstances, under the terms of the Pensions Ordinances, no pension could be granted to Mr. Baudot.

    Is my right hon. Friend satisfied that the Board of Commissioners did in fact act entirely creditably in this matter, as I understand this civil servant has not had an opportunity of learning the basis of the charge, nor to state his case? Will he have the matter looked into, in view of the fact that a petition has been sent to him?

    The man was charged, but, in the light of these representations, I will look into it. A person concerned has the right to petition if he is dissatisfied with the treatment given to him.

    Sarawak (Mr Anthony Brooke)

    40.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies why Mr. Anthony Brooke has been refused permission to enter Sarawak to present his case to the Residents Court in that place for damages against the Sarawak Press Company and Mr. Digby, the legal adviser to the Sarawak Government, with regard to an alleged libel; why there is no provision for legal representation in the Sarawak courts; and why a British subject is refused the right to plead his case in the British Colony where the wrong has been committed.

    The reasons for the exclusion of Mr. Anthony Brooke from Sarawak are known, and have been given to the House. They were in no way affected by the institution of the libel action. At the time of the application referred to, it was pointed out to Mr. Brooke that Mr. Digby had stated that he would submit to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom or Singapore Courts; or alternatively that Mr. Brooke could continue the action in Sarawak through an attorney. As to legal representation in the Sarawak courts, there are no lawyers in private practice in Sarawak and so far, I am informed, there has been no demand for them; but the courts grant permission in appropriate cases for a lawyer from outside the Colony to appeal.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman remember that it is exactly a year since this question was raised by me in the House? The right hon. Gentleman then said it would only take a short time before Mr. Brooke would be allowed in, and does not the right hon. Gentleman feel that everything is being done to victimise this wretched man, and to prevent him from at least saying what he wants to say, and going to places from which, without ever being brought to trial on any charge, he has been excluded by the right hon. Gentleman, who said it was an illegal action to go there?

    That is a different question from the one on the Order Paper. It is true that this question was raised a year ago, and I am in communication with the Governor in regard to the whole matter of the future of Mr. Brooke in that part of the world.

    Does my right hon. Friend realise that his reasons, or rather excuses, for excluding Mr. Brooke from Sarawak have never satisfied hon. Members of this House, and that we regard the decision as tyrannical, and a violation of the rights of a British subject?

    The reasons have been given in this House and are reasons determined by the Government—[HON. MEMBERS "They never satisfied us."]—I have already stated that this is a matter which is a subject of discussion with the Governors concerned.

    In reference to the original answer, and in view of the fact that it is admitted that the legal adviser to the Government of Sarawak wrote this article, will the right hon. Gentleman say whether it is his policy that members of the Colonial legal service are to be given leave and licence to make attacks on those with whom they disagree politically, and are then protected against those persons answering the attacks among the people to whom those attacks were published?

    No protection is being given to anybody. The question was that a libel action was to lie in the court of Sarawak and the defendants concerned were quite prepared for the case to be heard elsewhere, if there were difficulties in the way of the applicant presenting his case in person.

    I am looking into the whole problem of legal procedure in the courts of Sarawak and giving personal attention to the position of Mr. Brooke in regard to entrance to Sarawak, and discussing the problems with the Governors on the spot.

    Will the right hon. Gentleman appreciate my point, which is a very serious one? The whole object of bringing a libel action is not to get damages, but to show the answer to the attack that is made. If it is impossible to make that answer clear among the people to whom the libel is published, is not the plaintiff hopelessly prejudiced? Will the right hon. Gentleman look into that matter?

    I will certainly look into the matter, but the defendants expressed their willingness to have the case heard either in Singapore or United Kingdom courts.

    In view of the extremely unsatisfactory nature of the reply, and of the fact that the right hon. Gentleman has been looking into it for a year, I beg to give notice that I will raise the matter on the Adjournment.

    Koreans, Malaya (Trials)

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies why Koreans on trial in Singapore and elsewhere for their actions during the Malayan occupation are forced to have Japanese defenders and are not allowed to be defended by Koreans.

    I regret that it is not possible to reply fully to the hon. Member today on this matter, on which I am in consultation with the Secretary of State for War; but a reply will be communicated to him as soon as possible.

    Can the Secretary of State assure us that in the meantime no Koreans will be tried and defended by Japanese?

    The evidence we have to date is that that is not the case, but I am not quite satisfied that I have all the necessary information and I would prefer to delay the matter until it is in my possession.

    I was asking the right hon. Gentleman to assure the House that no Korean who will be tried will be defended by a Japanese until a decision has been reached.

    I will make that representation to the Secretary of State for War.

    Cyprus (Constitution)

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies on what grounds it is considered that Cyprus is entitled to a lesser degree of self-government than Ceylon, Malta or Jamaica.

    I have recently received a Memorial from certain Greek Cypriot members of the Consultative Assembly in Cyprus charged with the task of considering further constitutional advance. I am considering their representations and regret that at this moment I cannot anticipate the decision.

    British Cameroons (Harbour Facilities)

    43.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether any improved harbour, facilities are projected for the British Cameroons; and when these are likely to be completed.

    The existing harbour facilities in the British Cameroons, which comprise a deep water wharf at Tiko, the property of the Cameroons Development Corporation, and a deep sea anchorage at Victoria, are considered ample for the existing volume of trade. Consideration has been given to a proposal to extend a wharf at Bota, owned by the Cameroons Development Corporation, to permit coastal vessels to berth alongside, but I am advised that the present volume of trade would not justify expenditure on the scale which would be involved by such an extension.

    Armed Forces

    Stores And Equipment, Palestine

    45.

    asked the Minister of Defence what is the approximate value of installations, stores and equipment in Palestine belonging to the Royal Navy, the Army, and the R.A.F., respectively, and what arrangements are to be made about these prior to the withdrawal of our Forces from Palestine.

    I regret that I am unable to supply the figures asked for by the hon. Member. The valuation of the installations, stores and equipment belonging to the three Services in Palestine would have to be carried out locally by staffs whom it would be unwise to divert from their more pressing duties in organising and carrying out the evacuation of the Forces from that country. The basis of any such valuation, if attempted, would be very uncertain, since, for some categories of stores it would represent the replacement value, while for others it would represent only the disposal value obtainable from a willing buyer. As regards the second part of the Question, instructions with regard to the evacuation of stores have already been issued, and evacuation by sea and land is proceeding as quickly as possible; the disposal of fixed assets is in hand.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman give the House any idea of the proportion of the installations, stores and equipment which will have been evacuated by August?

    I do not think I could offhand. It will take some little evaluation to do that, but we are anxious to secure for ourselves, in the evacuation, those things which continue to be of replacement value to us, and we are concentrating upon them.

    I presume that at some period the Minister of Defence will inform the House what is to happen to any of these installations, if any of them should be left there when the evacuation takes place?

    I should think that would be quite proper, but I am not sure whether it would be my function or that of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies. We will look into it.

    Is it true that a large amount of motor transport will probably be left both in Palestine and Egypt, and has my right hon. Friend considered the possibility of making it available to nearby countries which suffered enemy occupation in the war, and are still very short of such transport?

    All these matters are being taken into account, but the first consideration is to secure the utmost economy we can for our country.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us upon what, if any, principle, permanent and immovable installations are being left or destroyed?

    The more permanent installations will certainly not fall within my category for negotiation; I have an interest in them but they are more a matter for negotiation with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies.

    Did any stores or equipment come under Lend-Lease originally, and will these have to be returned?

    I cannot say without notice, but I should think that there would not be very much of that now.

    Demobilised Personnel (Civilian Clothes)

    46.

    asked the Minister of Defence if he will give an assurance that men now with the Forces will, on demobilisation, be given civilian clothes on the existing scale; and that it is not his intention to substitute a money payment in lieu of clothes.

    Men called up in 1947 for a fixed term of two years or less will, as announced by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour on 21st January last, receive a supplementary allowance of clothing coupons on release. All men called up before 1st January, 1947, and released under the age and service group scheme will receive civilian clothes on the existing scale. Certain difficulties are being experienced in the supply of suits, and to overcome them some modifications in the method of issue are now being discussed with the trade, on whose cooperation I am sure we can rely.

    Does the right hon. Gentleman's answer make it clear that the pledge which has been given to the men will be kept? Is he further aware that his own intervention and action in this matter are greatly appreciated?

    My view is that the pledge must be kept. It may perhaps happen that there may be a little difficulty here and there,. We are discussing the best possible way out with the trade, who, I am sure, will desire to help us meet the pledge which has been given to the men.

    Co-Ordination

    47.

    asked the Minister of Defence to what extent administrative and operational co-ordination in the three Services has been achieved since his Ministry was established; and if he will make a statement on his future plans in this direction.

    Under Ministers, the operations of the Services are fully coordinated through the organisation of the Chiefs of Staff which was described in the White Paper on the Central Organisation for Defence published in October, 1946. That White Paper also described the machinery to be established for co-ordination in the administrative sphere, including the appointment of a Standing Committee of Service Ministers under my Chairmanship. For a report on the progress made, I would ask my hon. Friend to await the publication of the Defence White Paper early next year.

    Could not my right hon. Friend now detail his achievements more precisely than he has done? Is it not possible to achieve more co-ordination in such directions as maintenance, pay, photographic reconnaissance, etc., and thereby cut down the manpower involved?

    All these matters have been under examination. I certainly cannot deal with them by question and answer.

    Potato Rations

    49.

    asked the Minister of Defence the potato rations for the three Services.

    The present potato ration of the Army at home is 1 lb. a day for men and 14 oz. for women. Under the Naval and Air Force systems of messing on a cash allowance basis, there are no fixed rations of potatoes. It is hoped shortly to announce the adjustment of various items of Service rations, including reductions in the amount of potatoes, in the case of all three Services.

    Food Supplies

    Carrots

    51.

    asked the Minister of Food why the movement of carrots between Yorkshire and Lancashire has been prohibited; to what extent the current domestic crop is likely to satisfy demand; and how many tons of Danish carrots have been imported in the last six months.

    Home supplies are lower this year than normal and my right hon. Friend has therefore arranged for the importation of 10,000 tons from Denmark. Danish carrots, of which about 800 tons have so far been imported, are being marketed in Lancashire and in other Northern Counties. The local demand is being met in this way and we are able to conserve our own supplies for the time being.

    Does the hon. Lady realise that the public would rather have Danish butter than Danish carrots?

    Hospitals, Scotland (Dietary)

    56.

    asked the Minister of Food if his attention has been called to the difficulty that hospitals and infirmaries are experiencing in Scotland in providing a necessary and varied diet to patients; and if he will exempt these institutions from pointage on oatmeal and potatoes.

    Patients in hospitals and infirmaries in Scotland, as in England and Wales, get the same rations as they do at home. They may also get extra allowances when these are recommended by our medical advisers as necessary for the treatment of certain diseases. I greatly regret that the supply position does not permit me to do more.

    Nuts

    57.

    asked the Minister of Food what was the profit per lb. made by the Ministry in the recent sales of edible nuts; and what percentage of profit does this represent on the cost price.

    The profit per lb. was about 3s. 2d. which, based on ex-warehouse cost, was about 237 per cent.

    Will the Minister agree that if the Association which normally handles these nuts had made that profit it would have been railed at and considered excessive?

    Could the Minister say what the average price of these sales to the retailer was, and how it compares with the price of 10s. per lb. at which the nuts are selling in my constituency?

    They have not been sold for a long time. We had not enough to sell last Christmas.

    Does this mean that the Socialist Party is now convinced of the rightness of the profit motive?

    Will the hon. Lady say why nuts imported in June, 1946, were not sold last Christmas?

    Fishmeal

    58.

    asked the Minister of Food what steps he is taking, to increase the supply of fishmeal for feeding to pigs and poultry; and the prospective supplies for 1948 compared with 1938.

    Our supplies of fishmeal, which are mainly home produced, depend largely on the size of the fishing catch. During the war they fell to one-third of our prewar quantities. For 1948 it is estimated that we shall have three-quarters of the supplies available in 1938. We shall buy all we can obtain from foreign supplies, the main source being Iceland.

    We all agree that nature has something to do with this; but is the Minister of Food making proper provision for surplus fish, such as herring, which are not required immediately for human consumption, to be taken up and made into these valuable foodstuffs for pigs and poultry?

    We are prepared to take any herring from the fishermen at 30s. a cran.

    Exports

    59.

    asked the Minister of Food what export target he has set for his Ministry; to which countries food is being sent; and if he will show the varieties, quantities and values of these foods.

    The export target for the food and drink industries as announced by my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 13th September, 1947, is £5,500,000 monthly by the end of 1948. The principal commodities are whisky, gin, beer, refined sugar and processed foodstuffs which have a high conversion value. Manufacturers are being urged to direct these exports, wherever possible, to hard currency countries.

    Can the hon. Lady give an assurance that no oatmeal or oat products will be exported while oatmeal remains at four points a pound in this country?

    What proportion of the £5,500,000 is attributable to food as distinct from drink?

    65.

    asked the Minister of Food what was the value of foodstuffs exported during the last three months, for which particulars are available, to dollar countries, non-dollar countries and the sterling area, respectively.

    In the three months August to October, the latest period for which figures are available, the value of exports of foodstuffs, produced or processed in the United Kingdom was as follows: dollar countries, £3,562,000; non-dollar countries excluding the sterling area, £3,669,000; sterling area, £4,822,000.

    Does not the hon. Lady agree that that is rather a large proportion for the non-dollar countries, and that our main object in exporting food, obviously, should be to get dollars?

    I cannot agree with the right hon. and learned Gentleman. He must realise that we are under obligation to export some of this food to our Colonies.

    Bananas

    60.

    asked the Minister of Food whether dried bananas are on sale anywhere in Britain; and if he will consider making these available in larger quantities to housewives in Scotland.

    My Department does not undertake the distribution of dried bananas. Supplies are imported on private account, under licence, and distributed to the health food stores.

    Sausages (Whalemeat)

    91.

    asked the Minister of Food what percentage of whale-meat is now contained in the average sausage.

    Is the hon. Lady aware that I have seen a factory where some is incorporated in sausages, and will she inquire into that?

    I think the hon. Gentleman should have asked. "What is an average sausage?"

    An average sausage is 50 per cent. meat. If whalemeat is incorporated alone, it would then be called a whalemeat sausage.

    International Emergency Food Council (Recommendations)

    92.

    asked the Minister of Food what foods and feedingstuffs are now allocated by the International Emergency Food Council; what food and feedingstuffs are now the subject of recommendations by that body; and what allocations and recommendations have been published during the last twelve months.

    The I.E.F.C. makes recommendations to Governments regarding the allocation of bread grains, rice, dried peas and beans, cocoa beans, oils and fats, meat, oil cakes, and molasses. It has made recommendations regarding sugar up to the end of 1947. It is the Governments of the exporting countries which allocate the supplies they have available. Information has been published on behalf of the I.E.F.C. from time to time during 1947 as to recommendations about rice, peas and beans, cocoa beans, sugar, molasses, meat, and oils and fats.

    Could the hon. Lady say where this information is available to hon. Members; also can she say whether the I.E.F.C. makes recommendations regarding supplies from the Argentine?

    The I.E.F.C. relays this information. If the Press do not think that it is very interesting, it may be difficult to find.

    May I have an answer to the second part of my question—whether the Argentine accepts recommendations from the I.E.F.C.?

    I should amplify my answer. Hon. Gentlemen must remember that the I.E.F.C. can only make recommendations. The exporting countries make the allocations. If the exporting country does not agree with the recommendation, it will not make the allocation.

    Would the hon. Lady place in the Library a note of the particulars of allocations and recommendations, because it is not satisfactory for hon. Members of this House to have to depend on scraps in the Press.

    The right hon. and learned Gentleman must realise that we may have the recommendations but we cannot possibly have in our possession details of the allocations to foreign countries.

    Would the hon. Lady consider publishing, in the space reserved for "Food Facts" in the Press, the allocations made by the I.E.F.C.?

    I will consider it, but I do not think that the general public are interested.

    Annual Dinners (Territorial Army)

    63.

    asked the Minister of Food if he will consider allowing local Territorial Army formations to hold annual dinners with numbers in excess of 100 in order to encourage recruiting.

    No, Sir. To do so at the present time would be contrary to the Government's policy which I explained in detail during the Debate in the House on Thursday, 27th November.

    Would the hon. Lady say why soldiers and ex-soldiers are denied this privilege which is given to aged miners and old age pensioners?

    United Kingdom Estimated Requirements

    66.

    asked the Minister of Food whether the estimates of total requirements and import requirements of food for the United Kingdom for the years 1947–48 to 1950–51, contained in the Stationery Office publication, Committee of European Economic Co-operation, Volume II, have his approval.

    The figures to which the right hon. and learned Member refers were prepared in July last and were approved as the best estimates that could be prepared in the light of the information then available.

    Does the hon. Lady consider that they are satisfactory and that they will afford us a sufficient quantity if the estimates are fulfilled?

    Tinned Snoek Consignment (Condition)

    70.

    asked the Minister of Food what inspection was made prior to shipment in s.s. "Novelist" of the consignment of tinned snoek at present en route to this country; whether he is aware that this consignment is known to be of low quality; and, in view of the importance of establishing public confidence in this South African product, whether he will arrange for special inspection before this consignment is distributed to the public.

    I understand that inspection takes place in South Africa on behalf of the South African Canners' Council, but, of course, the Ministry's contract, which is on C.I.F. terms, provides for inspection in this country, and the goods shipped on s.s. "Novelist" will be examined by the Ministry's inspectors as part of the usual routine.

    In view of the public statement made by responsible officials in South Africa and statements in the South African Press, will the Parliamentary Secretary give particular and extra scrutiny to this consignment?

    Yes, certainly. I would not like the public to think that some of this fish is not of excellent quality. Some has been sent salted, and I agree that some was a little tough. I assure the hon. Gentleman that we shall inspect it carefully.

    Raw Materials (Catering Establishments)

    64.

    asked the Minister of Food what quantities of rationed raw materials have been granted against permits during each of the last seven years to each of the following categories of catering establishments: commercial catering establishments, works canteens and hostels, school feeding centres, civic restaurants and staff dining rooms, showing the amount, separately, for quantities issued to new licensees in each year in each category.

    I regret that information for the separate categories is not available for the years 1940–45, nor for any year in respect of quantities issued to new licensees. As the answer for the years 1946 and 1947 is rather detailed I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    Following is the information:

    ESTIMATED QUANTITIES OF RATIONED FOODS AUTHORISED TO CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF CATERING ESTABLISHMENTS.
    ——Tea.Preserves.Fats.Sugar.Cheese.Meat £'000.Bacon.
    Tons.Tons.Tons.Tons.Tons.Retail.Tons.
    1946.1947.1946.1947.1946.1947.1946.1947.1946.1947.1946.1947.1946.1947.
    Commercial Catering Establishments8,4008,22011,40012,75024,47026,65030,37033,9007,0706,7705,2305,7005,9604,040
    Works Canteens7,0006,7008,0708,60022,70024,50028,38031,5509,4807,1005,3407,0503,6002,400
    Schools and Young Persons Centres2002203,4203,6007,7507,8008,1208,7001,3201,1305,0805,2001,8001,750
    Civic Restaurants, Staff Dining Rooms, Clubs9901,0202,0802,5004,4804,7504,7005,1001,2601,1301,4901,650900660
    Total16,59016,16024,97027,45059,40063,70071,57079,25019,13016,13017,14019,60012,2608,850

    Oranges (Allocations)

    67.

    asked the Minister of Food why the Bristol area is only now about to receive its tenth allocation of oranges while most of the country have already received twelve; and if he will take steps to see that Bristol is equally treated.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given to the hon. Member for Weston-super-Mare (Mr. Orr-Ewing) on 15th December. Bristol is receiving exactly the same treatment as similar areas.

    Is the hon. Lady aware that I received this information from a very reliable source in Bristol and that, when I received it, I put down a Question in order to confirm it?

    My hon. Friend will remember that my right hon. Friend announced in the House that counties in the North of England were to have special consideration as a compensation for the small amount they receive from home produce. It is quite right that some places may only have received the eleventh allocation whilst perhaps the Northern counties have received their thirteenth allocation.

    Gibraltarians, Northern Ireland (Transference)

    71.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps he is taking to implement the pledges given to the Gibraltarians, still living in camps in Northern Ireland, to transfer them to London this winter.

    His Majesty's Government are deeply concerned about the Gibraltar camps remaining in Northern Ireland, and are doing everything possible to restore to Gibraltar the 1,340 Gibraltarians left out of the total of 17,000 evacuated as soon as accommodation can be made available in the Colony. But it is evident that at least 700 must remain in the United Kingdom for some time yet, and every effort has been made to secure accommodation for these people in London. Owing to practical difficulties. I regret that our hopes have not been fulfilled, and my officers are exploring with all expedition with the other Ministries concerned arrangements for settling them in other parts of Great Britain outside the London area.

    Is the Secretary of State aware that the Gibraltar people feel that he has let them down, and that the Minister of Works is also responsible for this?

    I think there are various difficulties in the way of settling these people in London. We had hoped that these difficulties could be overcome. Unfortunately, that is not the case, but we have already started again to discover accommodation outside London because of the many practical difficulties of settling these people back in London.

    Could my right hon. Friend say what has happened to the accommodation in Gibraltar from which these people were taken, and why they cannot go directly back to Gibraltar?

    It is absolutely impossible to get these people back to Gibraltar. Accommodation there is crowded to unhealthy limits, and the military are still there in part of the accommodation, though they have squeezed up to the limit of their capacity. I can assure the hon. Lady that, where civil accommodation is available, everything possible is being done.

    Will my right hon. Friend say why the accommodation that was secured in London could not be used? Surely, if the premises are there, it would be easy to get them ready for these people?

    There are practical difficulties in the way. The premises could not have been made suitable for these people until April of the coming year.

    Is my right hon. Friend aware, in reference to his earlier answer to a supplementary question, that from my own extensive experience I can say that the people of Gibraltar do not think that he has let them down, but that he is doing his best to find them shelter?