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Volume 466: debated on Wednesday 22 June 1949

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House Of Commons

Wednesday, 22nd June, 1949

The House met at Half-past Two o'Clock

Prayers

[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]

Private Business

Mersey Tunnel Bill

As amended, considered; to be read the Third time.

Mountbatten Estate Bill Lords

To be read a Second time upon Thursday, 30th June.

Urmston Urban District Council Bill (By Order)

Consideration, as amended, deferred till tomorrow.

Glasgow Corporation Order Confirmation Bill

Read the Third time, and passed.

Alexander Scott's Hospital Order Confirmation Bill

Considered; to be read the Third time tomorrow.

Royal Bank Of Scotland Officers' Widows' Fund Order Confirma-Tion Bill

Considered; to be read the Third time tomorrow.

Oral Answers To Questions

Royal Air Force

Auxiliary Force (Recruitment)

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Air what action is being taken to encourage airmen and airwomen to join the Royal Auxiliary Air Force on demobilisation.

Full details of the terms and conditions of service in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force are available at all stations at home and overseas. In addition, at the time of release from service, all airmen and airwomen are given a leaflet containing the addresses of auxiliary and reserve units as well as the conditions of service.

Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman consider doing something more than just giving these men and women a leaflet containing the addresses of auxiliary and reserve units? Will he also consider advising the appropriate associations of the names and addresses of these men and women as they are released, so that the officers of the associations may get into touch with them?

Bombing Range, Frampton Sand

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Air what plans he has to establish a bombing range in the Severn Estuary at Frampton Sand; and what representations have been made to him in this connection by the Severn Wildfowl Trust.

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Air whether he is aware that the use of the sands at Frampton on Severn for a bombing practice ground is likely to be detrimental to the Severn Wildfowl Trust sanctuary nearby; and whether he will consider finding some other area.

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Air if, before deciding on the bomber range on Frampton Sand, he will take into consideration the claims and criticisms of the Severn Wildfowl Trust.

A proposal to bring back into use the war-time practice bombing range known as Frampton Sand has been under examination by my Department. In view, however, of representations which have been made that the use of the range would seriously interfere with the bird sanctuary there, I am reconsidering the whole matter. If the proposal is abandoned it would, of course, involve finding another range in the district for R.A.F. use.

Is the Minister aware that while there is not the slightest intention on the part of anyone to interfere with the efficiency of the Air Force, the use of this area as a bombing range runs counter to the interests of all the naturalists in the country? This is a unique place, and if the right hon. and learned Gentleman can find another suitable bombing range it will give a great deal of pleasure to a large number of people in the country.

I accept that statement, but I hope hon. Members will appreciate the great difficulty in which I am placed. No matter where I seek to go with a view to acquiring a bombing range for the Royal Air Force, in 10 cases out of 10 there is an objection.

Is the Minister aware that we are glad to find one Minister at least who has got some nice ideas, and if he wants a new bombing range will he try No. 10 Downing Street?

Further to that somewhat sinister suggestion, may I ask my right hon. and learned Friend not to look in the immediate district for a suitable place but to consider going right outside my constituency?

When the right hon. and learned Gentleman has come to a decision finally to abandon the proposal to use this spot for bombing purposes, will he see that the House is informed?

Usa Airmen, Ruislip

5.

asked the Secretary of State for Air how many United States Service men are being housed in private accommodation in the vicinity of Ruislip; and how many are being housed in the United States Air Force Headquarters building.

I am informed that 116 members of the U.S.A.F. are living in private accommodation at Ruislip, and 280 are living in the Headquarters building.

Can the Minister assure the House that none of these American soldiers is taking space which would otherwise be occupied by British families? Will he bear in mind what has been happening recently in the neigh- bouring vicinity of Harrow where a number of ex-Service men's families have been evicted by the War Department and no accommodation has been available for them? Surely if 116 Service men can be housed then British ex-Service men's families can also be housed, can they not?

I do not think the second part of that supplementary question has any reference to the responsibilities of my Department. With regard to the first part of the supplementary, I do not believe that the people of this country are opposed to giving hospitality to American soldiers. I would also say that of the 116 members who are now living in private accommodation, 85 will shortly be found accommodation in the Headquarters Mess.

Civil Aviation

Airways System

7.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation what agreement has been reached between the Air Ministry and the Ministry of Civil Aviation on the principle of establishing an airways system for civil aircraft over Britain.

Agreement has been reached between the Service Departments and my Ministry for the setting up of a system of civil airways in which positive Air Traffic Control will be exercised. These Airways will serve the main civil traffic routes within the United Kingdom.

Can my hon. Friend give the House some idea of the arrangement which is proposed or could he circulate the information?

They are the main traffic routes of the country; they are lanes 10 miles wide, with an air cover from 5,000 feet to 11,000 feet; in which area aircraft will be controlled.

British South American Airways (Canadairs)

8.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Civil Aviation what steps are being taken to provide Canadairs for British South American Airways passenger services.

It is intended to use some of the Canadairs ordered for British Overseas Airways Corporation on the British South American Airways Corporation routes to South America.

Can the hon. Gentleman say what steps are being taken to train, first of all, the flying staffs and, secondly, ground staffs for British South American Airways to operate these planes?

The training commences in September ready for the operation of the aircraft in January, 1950.

That does not quite answer the question. Can the hon. Gentleman say what steps are being taken to train, respectively, the flying staffs of British South American Airways and the ground staffs of British South American Airways for this purpose?

So far as the ground staff is concerned I am not certain that a training programme has been arranged. So far as the flying crews are concerned, B.S.A.A. start conversion training to Canadairs in September.

Accident, Coventry (Report)

9.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he has now received a report on the accident resulting from a collision between an Anson and a Dakota near Coventry; and when it is to be published.

My noble Friend has received this Report and the question of its publication is under consideration.

Does not the Minister agree that these Reports are invariably published? Why is there any difference in this case?

Yes, Sir; they are invariably published and I have every reason to believe that this one will be published. One of the aircraft involved was a Royal Air Force machine, however, and the matter of consultation with my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Air arises.

Bulgaria (Legation Staffs)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many Bulgarians are employed in the Bulgarian Legation in London; what appointments do they hold; how many British subjects are employed in His Majesty's Legation at Sofia; and what are their appointments.

As the reply is long, I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

In view of the extreme disparity which it is anticipated the reply will show, there being nine Bulgarians in London and 46 British representatives in Sofia, will not my right hon. Friend at least consider withdrawing some of our military representatives and substituting some trade representatives in Sofia?

Taking a comparison between two great Powers represented in Bulgaria, the hon. Gentleman will see from the answer and from the facts for which he asked that our staff is much smaller than that of the Soviet.

Whatever may be the nominal appointment of members of the Bulgarian Legation in London, will the right hon. Gentleman assure the House that he is keeping a good track of their activities?

Following is the reply:

There are six Bulgarian members of the staff of the Bulgarian Legation in London, namely:

First secretary (Chargé d'Affaires), Third secretary, Attaché, Press attaché, Typist, Clerk.

The British members of the staff of His Majesty's Legation in Sofia number 42 persons, namely:

H.M. Minister, First secretary, three Second secretaries, two Third secretaries, Vice-Consul, Military attaché, Assistant Military attaché, Air attaché, 17 clerical officers and clerks, four typists, two translators, eight subordinate staff.

There is also a non-resident Naval attaché.

Germany

Erich Koch (Arrest)

11.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether it is proposed to bring any proceedings against Erich Koch, former Gauleiter of the Ukraine, recently arrested in the British zone of Germany.

The question of the action to be taken against Erich Koch is under consideration.

May we take it that the fact that he has been able to keep his identity concealed for this long time will not prejudice the need for him to be brought to justice in view of the incredible atrocities for which he was responsible?

I have not had time to go through all the papers since my return, but I have the matter under consideration and I must leave it at that at the moment.

Industrial Plants (Dismantling)

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many factories have been dismantled in the British zone of Germany during the last three months; and how many remain to be dismantled.

During the three months ending 31st May, dismantling was in progress at 204 plants in the British zone, of which 12 were completed during the period. On 31st May there were 30 plants due to be dismantled at which dismantling had not begun, but work at seven of these had started by 15th June.

While I, of course, in common with I think almost everybody else, do not agree with this policy, will my right hon. Friend bear in mind how important it is to let the German people know why he is pursuing this policy in consultation with his colleagues, because at the moment they are not properly informed of the reasons for our policy?

That is not correct; they are told; the agreements made between the Allies have been circulated, and every bit of information in connection with them has been explained to them.

33.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will order a cessation of the dismantling of the Fischer-Tropsch synthetic petroleum plants in the Ruhr, in view of the reasoned case made against it by representatives of the German people.

No, Sir. I do not accept the implication in the second part of the Question.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the application of his dismantling policy in this particular case is very difficult to understand, even in the case of those who cannot be accused of tenderness towards the German State?

Well, this has been carefully analysed and agreed to. It is a long story. This particular plant is in the prohibited and limited industries category, and it is being dismantled accordingly. After all, I would appeal to hon. Members sometimes to have a corner in their hearts for the victims of Germany.

Can my right hon. Friend assure us that the Germans will not, by their well-known technique of mass propaganda and blackmail, force us into the position of going back on these international agreements?

Requisitioned Motor Boat

31.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that the motor boat "Rose of York," which belonged to Herr Wilhelm Westrup, having been requisitioned by the Control Commission authorities in Germany has recently been handed back to him in a dilapidated condition with all the fittings that could be removed gone the motor disabled, the propeller missing and the hull damaged; and what steps will now be taken to put the boat in order.

Benzin Company, Gelsenberg

35.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how much has been spent on rebuilding the works of the Benzin Company at Gelsenberg, now to be pulled down; and what was the total amount for which a licence was issued by the Military Government.

The German management of the firm alleges that 17 million Deutsche marks have been spent between September, 1948, and March, 1949. The licence which was issued by the German Land Government of North Rhine Westphalia on the authority of Military Government was not a licence for expenditure but for the re-activation on a temporary basis of that part of the plant which was necessary for the hydrogenation of 15 thousand tons of natural oil residues per annum.

That being so, may I ask whether the people in the Military Government who approved this scheme were aware of the fact that they were going to insist on dismantling a few months later? That is what is so puzzling.

The whole thing was arranged with the Germans on a temporary basis, and they quite understand.

Will the Foreign Secretary explain in what way this is going to help the victims of the Nazis?

My hon. Friend knows very well the full story of the dismantling programme. This country has tried to keep the programme to a minimum consistent with security, and the question of security is a very important thing for this country and others in the future. We do not want to make the mistake we made after the 1914–18 war.

While I agree entirely with what my right hon. Friend has said, will he bear in mind that these plants may become of very great importance for peace-time purposes in view of the trend of world petroleum supplies, and in view of the wide range of chemical products of which they are the starting point?

That is not the only sphere in which they can be used, namely, to contribute to total world supplies. They become a danger when they are held in a country in which security is not yet finally and definitely established.

When Germany is being totally demilitarised and not permitted to have any Air Force, can four synthetic factories have any effect on world security?

We went right through the whole of that problem between the two wars, and so long as I am in office I am going to advise this House to take all the necessary precautions.

International Children's Emergency Fund

12.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is now prepared to make a statement concerning the prospect of the Government making a contribution to the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund.

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what answer he has made to representations from the United States Government and from the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund regarding the matching in dollars of contributions from His Majesty's Government to this Fund.

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is now in a position to make a statement about His Majesty's Government's further contribution to the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund.

This Fund was primarily created to meet the emergency conditions prevailing after the war and our information is that its resources are now running down. There appears to be little prospect of sufficient contributions from other Governments to match the 20 million dollars already appropriated for the Fund by the United States and the Fund will presumably have to spend a large part of its remaining resources on the run-down of its present widespread commitments. It is therefore unlikely to be in a position to continue or extend the work it has been doing in the Middle East, where the serious plight of the Arab refugees needs urgent attention.

We have therefore decided, after consultation with my right hon. and learned Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that we should not make a further contribution to this Fund, but instead should make an additional £100,000 available through the British voluntary societies to the maintenance of the Arab refugees, a large proportion of whom are children.

Can my right hon. Friend say whether the Government supported the General Assembly in the suggested appeal for either 1949 or 1950?

Is my right hon. Friend aware that this answer will cause very great distress in all parts of the House and also in the country? Is he further aware that only about a quarter of the children in Europe, in the direst need, are receiving even the most elementary assistance from this fund and that it is of vital importance, both for humanitarian reasons and for more general reasons, that the assistance provided by the International Children's Fund should not cease in the middle of this winter?

We cannot go on giving away money all the time. We have to see which is the best place in which to put it and in the case of the Arab refugees we think there is the biggest claim.

While expressing appreciation of what the Government have already done in this respect, may I ask my right hon. Friend to take into account the urgent need that exists outside the Arab States among children in other parts of the world and to see that steps are taken to use the offer made by the United States of matching grants from other countries with dollars from America in order that the utmost good may be done to the children who are so urgently in need?

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether His Majesty's Government have consulted with the United Nations on the claims under international law and practice which expatriated Arabs may be held to have against the Israeli Government?

I must have notice of that question. It does not arise out of the Question on the Order Paper.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that there are 700,000 refugees from Greece, of whom 200,000 are children, and that that is as high a percentage as that of the Arab refugee children? Will he bear in mind that a contribution in that direction, now that the fund is drying up, will be urgently needed this winter?

The financial aid going to Greece from the United States is very great. I must warn the House that it is all very well to criticise the financial position of the country at one moment and in the next moment to expect us to be able to give to every fund that is raised. When the figures come to be read it will be seen that this country is the leading contributor in the world.

Is it not the case that some of this money is going to help German children in the British zone of Germany and that we are, therefore, receiving aid from the fund, too? Is it not also the case that if we do not assist this fund a large amount of American dollars will be lost to the fund and the beneficent work will be stopped?

I have very grave doubt of that. The response made by other countries to whom the appeal is being made is so small that it makes the matching by America very improbable.

Is it not a fact that the United States promised to add aid very liberally, provided a minimum sum was subscribed by other nations in toto? Is it or is it not the fact that that minimum was subscribed? So far as my information goes, the minimum total has never been reached.

In view of the statement concerning the funds we have supplied, is it not fair to say that America, Australia, New Zealand and Canada have subscribed more individually than we have?

I do not think that that comparison is sound. Certainly some of those countries have small populations and have given large amounts; but although we have a population of 50 million in this country, we have huge liabilities and have suffered much devastation. Therefore, I do not think that the analogy is quite a correct one.

With very great regret, in view of my right hon. Friend's answer, I feel obliged to give him notice that I shall try to raise this matter on the Adjournment.

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what offers he has either from the United States Government or from the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund regarding the matching in dollars of contributions from His Majesty's Government to this Fund.

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what action has been taken by His Majesty's Government for the promotion of a national appeal in Britain for the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund in 1949.

After consultation with the trustees of the Lord Mayor's Committee which made a similar appeal last year, with British voluntary societies doing relief work abroad, and with other voluntary bodies engaged in social and welfare work, His Majesty's Government have decided not to sponsor the promotion of an appeal in 1949. The Secretary-General of the United Nations has been formally notified of this decision.

Is it not a fact that His Majesty's Government concurred in a resolution of the General Assembly which called upon all member Governments to sponsor campaigns during this coming year?

I cannot answer that question. I cannot remember. Someone asked a similar question just now.

Palestine Refugees (Relief)

13.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what financial assistance has been given by the United Nations Relief Organisation for Palestinian Refugees to British voluntary societies which have sent out teams to work under the British Red Cross scheme.

No British voluntary society has sent out teams except the British Red Cross Society itself, which has not received direct financial assistance from the United Nations Relief Organisation for Palestine Refugees. The Society has, however, received from the United Nations Relief Organisation for Palestine Refugees funds through the League of Red Cross Societies approximately £800 for the subsistence of five of the Society's staff for the period ending 31st March, 1949. A similar grant is anticipated for the period ending 30th June, 1949. The Society has also received assistance towards the running expenses of the British Red Cross Society Commission's transport.

14.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how much of the £1 million given to the United Nations Relief Organisation by His Majesty's Government has been allocated to organisation expenses; and whether he is satisfied that the best use is being made of this donation in the actual relief of distress among Arab refugees.

The ratio which the administrative and operational expenses bear to the total contributions (including that of the United Kingdom) is 5.5 per cent., which is well within the percentage provided in the Mediator's estimates and approved by the General Assembly. In my view, the United Nations Relief Organisation are doing good work, considering that the resources made available to them are so limited.

Can my right hon. Friend say whether part of the sums now available are being devoted to the purposes of rehabilitation as well as of relief?

I do not think so. Those that are contributed for relief are going to relief.

Spain (Territorial Claim)

15.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to a recent official claim by General Franco that promises had been made him during the war by the Allied leaders that Spain would acquire territory in North Africa at the expense of France on the cessation of hostilities; and if he has any statement to make.

Arising out of that reply, and in view of the fact that we have already been made aware of two secret treaties, although we were assured that none such existed, may we have an assurance from my right hon. Friend that the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Woodford (Mr. Churchill) did not enter into any other secret negotiations of which this House has not been made aware?

I have given the answer to the Question put to me, and I have no reason to suppose anything in the archives of the Foreign Office exists in this respect. So far as I know there is nothing.

And against the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Warwick and Leamington (Mr. Eden), too.

It is difficult to keep oneself in Order in asking questions on this matter, since the right hon. Gentleman was also a member of the Coalition Government, but may I say that so far as my right hon. Friend and I myself are concerned no such commitment as here described was ever entered into?

Would my right hon. Friend care to consult with the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Warwick and Leamington as to whether there was not a conversation at lunch on 2nd October, 1941, in the terms reported by the Duke of Alba, the then Ambassador, in his telegram of that date, and whether that was not susceptible to the construction that we were offering to support Franco in his claim to French territory?

The hon. Gentleman cannot ask a question of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Warwick and Leamington, but only of the Foreign Secretary.

Since my Leader's reputation has been impugned, may I ask the Foreign Secretary whether there is anything in the records whatever to give any justification to the statements of the hon. Member for Ipswich (Mr. Stokes)?

In view of the fact—it is within your recollection, Sir—that I was prevented from raising this matter on another occasion earlier, I beg to give notice that I shall raise it again on a suitable occasion.

Japan (Peace Negotiations)

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of the difficulty of reaching agreement with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in Europe, His Majesty's Government will now take steps to bring about a peace treaty with Japan without Russian co-operation.

I cannot accept the implication in the Question that we should despair of reaching agreement with the Soviet Government on European questions. The future international status of Japan is now under discussion in the Far Eastern Commission on proposals recently submitted by the United States delegate. The measure of agreement or disagreement in the forthcoming debates will doubtless be a guide to His Majesty's Government's future action on this subject.

Does the right hon. Gentleman appreciate the very grave danger of leaving the peace treaty with Japan so long open, as the Japanese, so far as one knows, have done nothing in the last few years to prevent the making of a peace treaty with Japan?

I quite admit that there is disagreement between the Great Powers—not so much about getting a peace treaty as about the procedure of how to get it.

Buenos Aires Tramways Corporation

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how far the permission by the Argentine appropriate Ministers to open discussions on compensation for British shareholders of Buenos Aires Tramways Corporation has progressed since 1st June.

No discussions have yet been opened between the Argentine authorities and the representatives of the British companies concerned.

Has it not been publicly stated in the Argentine that as soon as the trade agreements are settled these negotiations will be opened? Can the right hon. Gentleman assure this House that the Ambassador will take every step to see that this is done?

Hungary (Cardinal Mindszenty)

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what further information he can give about the whereabouts and conditions under which Cardinal Mindszenty is living, and the state of his health.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that people are beginning to feel that we are taking no further interest in the case of Cardinal Mindszenty? Does he not further realise that this is causing great disheartenment to people, especially now that the trouble is starting in Czechoslovakia—that after a short period we drop these people because they are no longer in the public eye?

I was asked a Question. I have given the answer. I was asked whether I had further information, and I have informed the hon. Member that I have no reliable information on the matter.

Cannot the right hon. Gentleman say whether any effort is being made to get such information?

Will any inquiries being made in Hungary on these matters be extended also to M. Rajk and other people being victimised by the Hungarian Government?

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether any special steps were taken to keep the Foreign Office in touch with the where-about of Cardinal Mindszenty?

Really, I ought not to be asked to answer these questions. [HON. MEMBERS: "Why not?"] How can I take special Steps if I have to tell hon. Members everything I am doing?

While entirely supporting the basis of these questions, may I ask my right hon. Friend whether he is aware that he has done far more for the victims of the Communist terror than did the Tory Government?

Austria (British Broadcasts)

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the proposed use of an Austrian radio station for the re-diffusion of the British Broadcasting Corporation's foreign language broadcasts.

Yes, Sir. The British Broadcasting Corporation's foreign language broadcasts to Germany, Italy and South-Eastern Europe are re-broadcast regularly by the former Nazi 100 kilowatt transmitter at Graz-Dobel in the British zone of Austria. The transmitter is under the direct control of the British occupation authorities and the use to which it is put is solely the responsibility of His Majesty's Government. The running costs of the station are paid by the British Broadcasting Corporation in sterling at the rate of about £15,000 a year.

As the Austrian Chancellor, Dr. Figl, recently said, speaking of the B.B.C., that transmissions were reaching a point in Austria where the Austrian people were being asked to pay for a great deal of foreign propaganda to which they did not want to listen, and as there seems to be a decent chance now of getting a peace treaty with Austria, can the right hon. Gentleman try to influence the B.B.C. at least not to extend their broadcasting from Austria?

If Dr. Figl said that he could not have been referring to the British Government, because he does not pay anything. We pay for this, so it must have been some other Government that he had in mind.

In stating that this broadcasting station is under the sole control of the British authorities, is not the Foreign Secretary aware that hitherto this broadcasting station has been at the disposal of the Austrian authorities for broadcasts in the Austrian language; that only within the last two or three weeks has a peremptory order been given that they must now be diverted to foreign language broadcasts at the expense of the Austrian people; that this is the only effective broadcasting station which is at the command of the Austrian people and that it will be difficult for the Austrian people to appreciate why at this stage, after four years' occupation, we should now seek to take over such facilities on the sole ground that we are the occupying authority?

In view of that last supplementary question, would the right hon. Gentleman like to reconsider the previous answer which he just gave to me?

The answer I gave was perfectly correct. The hon. Member said that what the Austrians were complaining of was that they were made to pay, and I told the hon. Member that as we were paying them they could not have been referring to us.

Yugoslavia (Trade Relations)

30.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what action he has taken, in view of the economic blockade of Yugoslavia established by the Communist-controlled neighbours of Yugoslavia, to ensure that the fullest com- mercial relations are established between this country and Yugoslavia.

A trade agreement was concluded with Yugoslavia last December. It provides for the exchange of goods of a total value of about £30 million between that date and 30th September of this year. Negotiations are now proceeding in Belgrade for a long-term agreement.

While being in the fortunate position of being able, for once, to agree with both Marshal Tito and Marshal Stalin in what they say about each other, may I ask my right hon. Friend whether he will make it perfectly clear as a matter of the policy of the Government that we will not allow any country to be overcome by economic strangulation in a "cold war"?

We really must have this business dealt with through the Board of Trade on a trade basis.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Yugoslav Government are still giving some assistance to Communist rebels in Greece, and should not the establishment of fuller commercial relations be made dependent upon the complete closing of the Yugoslav-Greek frontier?

Is it not a fact that Yugoslavia is able to supply this country with a considerable amount of timber, of which we are in considerable need?

That is quite true. Talks are going on with Bulgaria, Roumania, Yugoslavia and all these countries in connection with trade, and I cannot from the Foreign Office interfere in every detail that arises and inject political considerations at every turn.

Is a running account kept of the effect of the agreement made last December; and can the right hon. Gentleman tell us how many of this £30 million worth have been (a) exported and (b) imported up to date?

I suggest to the hon. Gentleman that he should put that question to my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade.

British Council, Poland (Mr C G Bidwell)

32.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the resignation of Mr. C. G. Bidwell, the head of the British Council in Poland.

Mr. Bidwell joined the British Council in 1943 after being released from the Army to do so, and served with it until his recent defection. From 1946 onwards he was the Council's representative in Poland, and appeared to be discharging his duties competently. In September last he married, under Polish law, a Polish woman who had been employed as a secretary in the private office of General Grosz, the Minister of Information. On 4th June he informed His Majesty's Ambassador that he had sent in his resignation to the Chairman of the Council, that he had become a Polish subject and had renounced British nationality. His resignation has been rejected, and he has been dismissed as from 4th June.

Was it a cause of surprise to the right hon. Gentleman that Mr. Bidwell, who was known to hold Marxist-Socialist views, should suddenly have the courage of his convictions and become a Communist?

Sudan (Cotton)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the value during the last full year of raw cotton exported by the Sudan and of cotton cloth imported; and what was the value of cotton cloth manufactured in the Sudan.

The value of raw cotton exported from the Sudan during 1948 was £E16,100,000. The value of cotton cloth imported into the Sudan during the same period was £E4,600,000. Cotton cloth is not yet being manufactured on a significant scale in the Sudan, but it is expected that a mill with an annual capacity of 3,600,000 yards will be ready to operate next year.

Can the Foreign Secretary assure the House that steps are being taken to develop the cotton manufacturing industry in the Sudan, in view of the fact that the raw materials are there; and as they are exporting this cotton and importing the made-up goods, can he say exactly what steps are being taken in the matter?

I have just given the answer. A mill will be introduced next year. At the same time, the scheme is one of the most magnificent developments in the world, and the cotton has to be exported to be manufactured and worn by other nations, as well as used for what they themselves consume.

Is the Foreign Secretary not aware that the cotton exported from the Sudan is very often of a different type from that required for making cotton cloth for wearing?

African Colonies

West African Office, London

37.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will consider establishing a West African office and showroom for West African products and information, centrally located in London.

The establishment of a combined West African office was considered, but in deference to local opinion the Governments of Nigeria and the Gold Coast decided to set up separate offices and have made some provision in their current budgets. It is hoped that the offices will be in one building. The question of representation for Sierra Leone and the Gambia is being further considered.

Aviation Fuel (Tax)

39.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies why a tax of 9d. a gallon on aviation fuel is charged to private users and charter companies in East Africa, when this tax is not levied on East African Airways Corporation.

East African Airways Corporation is exempted from this tax because it is a non-profit making public utility which is subsidised by the East African Governments.

Is that not another example of so-called State enterprise being prejudiced by favourable taxation as against private enterprise?

No, Sir, I think not. This is a decision taken by the three African Governments involved.

Uganda Cotton Industry Commission

42.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the proposals of the Government of Uganda arising out of the recommendations of the Uganda Cotton Industry Commission.

The policy adopted by the Uganda Government is set out in a long statement which has been published in Uganda. I am sending my hon. Friend a copy, and placing a copy in the Library of the House.

Hong Kong (Local Government)

38.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement with regard to the provision of a municipal council or for elected representatives to the Legislative Council of the Colony of Hong Kong.

A motion by unofficial members of the Legislative Council on the subject of constitutional reform is down for debate in Hong Kong today. I expect to receive shortly the Governor's recommendations in the light of this debate.

Can my right hon. Friend say, in view of the long delays which have attended consideration of other proposals for representative Government in Hong Kong, how long he thinks consideration of these recommendations will take on this occasion?

The Hong Kong Legislative Council is considering the question today, and it would be unwise for me to make any statement until I hear from the Government.

Aden

Municipal Franchise

40.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps he proposes to take to meet the demand in Aden for municipal government based on a franchise covering all Aden-born adults.

The question of widening the franchise for township elections is being considered by the Government of Aden in the light of the experience gained from the recent election.

Juvenile Offenders

41.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is aware that whipping is in force in Aden for juveniles and that they are herded in prison with adults; and what provision is being made for Borstal accommodation to segregate them.

Juveniles are still committed to prison in Aden and power still exists to punish offenders with a light cane. I am advised that they are segregated at all times from other prisoners and that they have their own sleeping quarters with exercise yard attached. The great majority of sentences are of short duration. I am discussing whether some other form of treatment would be appropriate.

Can my right hon. Friend tell us how light is the cane, and if there is any provision in the 10-year plan for Aden for new prisons where segregation may take place which, according to my information, is not now taking place?

The juveniles are segregated, and there has been issued from my Office a circular giving directions to local governments in regard to the treatment of juvenile offenders. Most Governments are following the course recommended.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the cane is a brutal method of punishment and, more than that, does no good, because I was caned very often when I was a boy?

Will the right hon. Gentleman accept the assurance of those who have had magisterial experience of juvenile offenders of this sort, that those who have been subjected to a light whipping practically never appear again in court and those who are sentenced to gaol nearly always become confirmed criminals?

Colonial Development And Welfare

43.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how much of the £120 million allocated to the Colonies under the Colonial Development and Welfare Act, 1945, has been taken up each year since the passing of the Act; and what is the overall amount spent in the Colonies on development and welfare each year since the passing of the Act.

The following annual sums have been issued from the Colonial Development and Welfare Vote since the 1946 Act came into force: 1946–47, £3,150,000; 1947–48, £5,130,000; 1948–49, £6,240,000. There are no means of answering the second part of the Question, since many aspects of development and welfare in the Colonies are so closely integrated with normal administration and development that separate overall figures are net available.

As these figures which the right hon. Gentleman has given in no way bear any relation to the average annual proportion of the £120 million allocated by the Act, can he say what steps are being taken to ensure that the Act is being operated? Is he satisfied, for example, that the Governments of the Colonies are really carrying the Act out in spirit and in letter?

The Governments are carrying out the Act both in spirit and letter. I would remind the hon. Member that a Bill is before the House which deals with the whole of this subject and expenditure under the Act.

Is the right hon. Gentleman satisfied, in comparison with other capital developments undertaken by the Government, that there are proper priorities in regard to materials needed for this Colonial expenditure?

Yes, Sir. During the past year there has been a tremendous speed-up in regard to the delivery of capital goods and other raw materials required for this development work.

Malaya (Indian Labourers)

44.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if the Indian authorities have replied to his representations regarding the refusal of the Govern- ment of India to allow Indian labourers going on leave to Madras to return to Malaya.

The High Commission has been informed by the Indian Representative in Malaya that in certain special cases involving genuine hardship permission will be granted to return to Malaya.

Does the right hon. Gentleman appreciate the seriousness of this ban on the return of Indian labour to Malaya, and can he say why it is that the Government of India should adopt this very unto-operative attitude towards another member of the Commonwealth?

All I can say at the moment is that this question is receiving our further consideration.

Factories (Ministers' Visits)

45.

asked the Prime Minister what visits have been paid by Ministers this year to factories either wholly or partly for the purpose of familiarising themselves with joint production committees.

Ministers have of course already made a great many visits to factories during this year. In the course of these visits every suitable opportunity is taken to include an examination of the arrangements for joint consultation whether through production committees or otherwise.

Will the Prime Minister ensure that in future these visits are not used mainly for the purpose of disseminating Labour Party propaganda?

I do not know to what instance, if any, the hon. Member is referring. Perhaps if he has any particular instance in mind he will refer it to me.

Broadcasting Inquiry (Evidence)

46.

asked the Lord President of the Council on what date he expects that the Radcliffe Committee investigating the British Broadcasting Corporation's affairs will commence its operations; and what is the address to which members of the public wishing to give evidence should apply.

In answer to the first part of my hon. Friend's Question, I would refer him to my statement of yesterday about the Committee of Inquiry into British broadcasting services. People who wish to give evidence should apply to the Secretary to the Committee, Broadcasting Branch, General Post Office Headquarters, London, E.C.1.

Will the right hon. Gentleman ensure that the utmost possible publicity is given to this address to which people can apply, and also to the procedure to be followed by the Committee to ensure that members of the public, as well as members of the B.B.C. staff, who wish to give evidence will be encouraged to come forward, so that all the relevant matters may be considered?

I share my hon. Friend's hope that publicity will be given to the particulars of the secretaryship of the Committee. As regards procedure, that is a matter for the Committee.

Can my right hon. Friend assure me that the Committee will commence its operations in time to consider the scandalous travesty of an alleged impartial broadcast given over the Scottish radio by the hon. and gallant Member for East Renfrew (Major Lloyd) on 10th June?

Service Doctors (Marriage Allowance)

47.

asked the Minister of Defence whether, in view of the relatively late age at which medical officers are called up for National Service, he will authorise the payment of marriage allowances at the recently increased rates to those who have been married before being called up or during National Service.

The higher age and special qualifications of National Service medical officers are recognised by the grant of higher rank and pay on entry; if married, they are entitled to marriage allowance at the rates appropriate to other National Service officers. I regret that it is not possible to treat medical officers more favourably than other National Service officers or than National Service men in this matter.

In view of the considerations which the right hon. Gentleman has just mentioned, will he not reconsider this matter? Is it not very important that these men, who are necessarily called up much later than anyone else, should be treated in a way proper to their age and calling?

The average age of entry is about 24 years and nine months. These medical officers start with the rank of full lieutenant or the equivalent and are much better off than other National Service officers.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that some medical officers are not called up until they are nearly 30, until they have specialised, and that it is a great disadvantage to these men to have a low marriage allowance at that age?

I do not think that they are badly off at that age compared with the position of other National Service officers.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that the qualifications are exactly the same, whether the medical officers are National Service officers or Regular officers? Could he give the reason for this discrimination? Is it really to the advantages of the Services?

This matter has already been considered. The policy of the Government has been stated, and I am not in a position to suggest any variation of it.

Food Supplies

Bexley Cricket Club (Licence)

49.

asked the Minister of Food if he will now give favourable consideration to the repeated request of the Bexley Food Control Committee that the licence of the Bexley Cricket Club should be extended to cover provision for tea for spectators.

The Bexley Cricket Club has now been given a licence which enables them to cater for the general public during the cricket season.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that this helpful decision in favour of one of the oldest cricket clubs in the country will give great pleasure locally, and will reinforce the general view that he is as competent a cricketer as he is a Minister?

ANALYSES AND NUTRITIONAL VALUE (STARCH EQUIVALENT) OF VARIOUS FEEDINGSTUFFS
—Wheat by-productsMaizeBarleyOatsNon-millable Wheat
per cent.per cent.per cent.per cent.per cent.
Moisture……13·013·014·913·313·4
Oil……4·34·41·54·81·9
Albuminoids……14·19·910·010·312·1
Carbohydrates……53·469·266·558·269·0
Fibre……10·32·24·510·31·9
Ash……4·91·32·63·11·7
100·0100·0100·0100·0100·0
Starch equivalent…43·477·671·459·571·6

Does not the Minister agree that the figures will show that no coarse grain is an adequate substitute for the product of milled wheat, which is quite unique in protein value, especially for the weaning of pigs?

The figures undoubtedly show that wheat products are higher in protein value, but the starch equivalent of maize is a good deal higher.

Overseas Food Corporation, East Africa

51.

asked the Minister of Food if he is now in a position to state the results of the second year's work of the Overseas Food Corporation in East Africa.

The Overseas Food Corporation assumed responsibility for the East African groundnuts scheme on 1st March, 1948. It will not therefore have completed its second year's work until 1st March, 1950. As to its first year's work, I have already informed the House that I shall be ready, if desired, to make a statement on the scheme after my return from East Africa.

Animal Feedingstuffs

50.

asked the Minister of Food what is the comparative nutritional value for animal feedingstuff purposes between coarse grains and milling by-products.

As the answer is a table of figures I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following is the information:

give any information about this matter, in view of the fact that just before the Whitsun Recess he was able to give detailed information about what was being done in Australia?

The right hon. and gallant Gentleman is misinformed. I have given far more detailed information about the groundnuts scheme than the Australian scheme.

Sweets (Supplies)

52.

asked the Minister of Food what is the weekly quantity of sweets and chocolates per head of the population now being produced.

The weekly production of sweets and chocolates is at present about 5 oz. per head of the population.

In view of the increased quantity of sweets now being produced, is it not a fact that some retailers are getting fewer sweets from their wholesalers than they did before derationing? Is my right hon. Friend satisfied that any improvement is taking place in distribution?

Distribution is carried out by the trade, but I should be very surprised if it was a fact that any retailer was actually getting fewer sweets.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that in spite of improved supplies to the trade, it is impossible to get sweets in any industrial area without having to queue, and that the only remedy is to get back to rationing?

Is my right hon. Friend aware that many people have not seen any chocolate since derationing? People are asking where it is. Can my right hon. Friend tell us?

Chocolates are being bought and eaten but it is true that distribution is far more uneven than it was under rationing and that that may well be a good reason for reimposing rationing.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the decision by his Ministry to reimpose sweets rationing would be welcomed by the overwhelming majority of the people?

Is there not an easy solution? Would not the right hon. Gentleman permit the trade to have a further small quantity of ingredients with which to increase supplies—[HON. MEMBERS "He has done so."]—which will immediately resolve all these difficulties?

There is a Question later on the Order Paper which deals with this matter.

Is the Minister aware that just before Whitsun the Parliamentary Secretary told the House that steps would be taken, if cases were brought to her notice, to ensure that confectioners received the quantity of sweets they were receiving before derationing. I have received a letter from her since saying that no steps could be taken. I now ask the right hon. Gentleman what steps can be taken to ensure that confectioners get the same quantity of sweets as hitherto?

Actual distribution from the manufacturer or wholesaler to the retailer is in the hands of the trade, and the total amount now being distributed is so much greater that I very much doubt whether any shop is getting less.

53.

asked the Minister of Food the quantities of sugar and fats allocated to manufacturers of sweets and chocolates since derationing; and the quantities allocated in the comparable period before derationing.

Allocations since de-rationing and for three months before have been at the rate of 15,680 tons of sugar and 865 tons of fats each four-weekly period. In addition, one further allocation of 4,500 tons of sugar and 350 tons of fats has been released for extra production. Allocations for a 4 oz. ration before de-rationing were 13,240 tons of sugar and 730 tons of fats each four-weekly period.

In view of the fact that this has enabled production to increase since derationing, will my right hon. Friend take note of the widespread protest which has been made in the House this afternoon against the unfairness caused by derationing?

When the right hon. Gentleman made an increased allocation, did he ask manufacturers to secure even distribution to small shops as well as to large multiple shops and co-operative societies?

Yes, Sir. Whether we were right in leaving distribution so fully in the hands of the trade is another matter, but I think they are doing their best.

Is it not the case that under derationing there is and can be no effective check either on distribution or the amounts produced from the quantity of ingredients supplied?

I agree with the first part of my hon. Friend's supplementary. Derationing and decontrol of distribution must to some extent, go together. As to the second part, I think manufacturers are producing all the sweets they can with the ingredients they are allowed.

56.

asked the Minister of Food what steps he is taking, in view of the dearth of sweets in confectionery shops, to ensure a fair distribution of sweets throughout the community.

As I said in the House on 3rd June, I shall not hesitate to reimpose rationing if it proves the only remedy for the present state of affairs.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the facts in relation to sweets abundantly prove how right he was to ration bread? Will he make it quite clear, as almost everybody in the country wants rationing of sweets to be reintroduced, that he will take that step at the earliest possible moment if he finds it necessary?

Since the derationing of sweets won the South Hammersmith by-election is it wise to re-impose rationing now or to keep it for the next by-election?

I think the hon. and gallant Member will find that by-elections can be won quite easily in any case. In answer to my hon. Friend the Member for King's Norton (Mr. Blackburn), I would say that our position on this is quite simple. If in the case of sweets, or any other commodity, the demand at current prices is persistently in excess of the supply then we think rationing is the proper remedy.

What other remedies, apart from the re-imposition of rationing, is my right hon. Friend considering at the moment?

I know of no other remedy for the present situation. If it does not right itself with existing supplies, then I think we must re-impose rationing.

In view of the almost unanimous opinion in the country that rationing should be re-imposed, will not the Minister avoid delay by announcing today that he will re-impose rationing?

I think it is a little premature to do that. After all, it is only seven weeks since sweets were de-rationed. We must wait a little longer.

In view of the accumulated evidence, does not my right hon. Friend consider that the time has now really come to set the people free to secure their fair share?