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Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 474: debated on Thursday 20 April 1950

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Zambezi River (Electricity Scheme)

1.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations when agreement is expected on the timing of the scheme to generate electricity on a large scale at the Kariba Gorge on the Zambezi.

The Governments of Southern Rhodesia and Northern Rhodesia appointed, in 1946, an Inter-Territorial Hydro-electric Power Commission whose duties included the establishment of the necessary facts to determine whether it would be possible to obtain hydro-electric power from the Zambezi River near the Kariba Gorge. A considerable amount of hydrological data has now been collected and is being submitted to a panel of consultants, who will report to the Commission on the practicability of a hydro-electric power scheme. This report is not expected for some months, and, thereafter, the Commission must present its own report and recommendations to the two Governments.

Bechuanaland(Native Appointments)

2.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what efforts are being made to secure the appointment of a larger number of Bechuanaland Africans to official positions; and in what manner representatives of the Bechuanaland tribes are to be consulted in respect of administrative improvements and constitutional reforms.

It is the constant policy to appoint Africans increasingly to official positions in the Bechuanaland Protectorate. Already Africans are serving in all central Government Departments, as well as in posts under their own native authorities. Consultation with the inhabitants of the Protectorate about developments affecting them already takes place, through a number of different channels, both in local matters and in those affecting the Protectorate as a whole.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that that answer is not as precise as I would have desired? Could he say what steps are being taken to enable more natives of Bechuanaland to take really responsible administrative posts, in view of what he said last week, that only a very small number are now in the posts?

It is a question of the training of these people. It certainly is the policy that as Africans achieve the qualifications necessary they shall be appointed to these posts in increasing numbers.

Malaya (Australian Aid)

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what requests His Majesty's Government has made to the Australian Government for military or other help in Malaya; and what offers have been received from the Australian Government.

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations if, in view of the offer of the Prime Minister of Australia to consider seriously any request made by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom for help in Malaya, he proposes to take any action in the matter.

His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom have noted with the greatest interest the Press reports of the statement made by the Prime Minister of Australia. Hon. Members will, I hope, appreciate that I cannot at this time properly divulge information about communications which may be passing between the United Kingdom Government and the Government of Australia on this subject.

Does the right hon. Gentleman's answer mean that His Majesty's Government have not previously made any requests to the Australian Government for their help in Malaya? Is this not rather extraordinary in view of the importance of real Commonwealth unity, particularly in this most important area of the world?

I think the hon. Gentleman will realise that official requests of this sort are not made by one country to another in the Commonwealth There is always elaborate consultation beforehand on these matters. I do not think I should add anything more to what I have said.

In view of the very forthright and welcome statement made by Australia—in which, incidentally, they appear to be mildly critical of His Majesty's Government—would the Government consider asking their help, not only in Malaya but in the whole defence of the Far East, including Hong Kong?

I think that is just the sort of question I should not be asked to answer until there is agreement between us and Australia.

While not in any way pressing the Minister for an immediate answer, may I ask if he is aware that the Prime Minister of New Zealand has also. since the statement of the Prime Minister of Australia, made a similar statement? Will my right hon. Friend impress upon the Prime Minister the tremendous value of his making a statement as soon as may be in reply to these very generous statements?

Does it not appear that the right hon. Gentleman is allowing the Australian Government to take the initiative in this matter? Why not call a conference of all Commonwealth countries to discuss the matter:r great detail and take some action?

I do not think there is need for a conference on this matter. There is to be 3 conference in Sydney quite soon on economic matters in South-East Asia, arising out of the Colombo Conference. This matter can certainly be settled by the ordinary means between the two Governments. A conference would result in great delay.

Pakistan (British Subject's Claim)

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what steps have been taken to obtain from the Government of Pakistan payment from the compensation and provident funds due to Mr. S. A. Hamilton of 175, Clarence Road, Windsor, a former employee of the North-West Railway of India, whose contract was terminated three years ago, full details of which have been communicated to his Department

As a result of our representations to the authorities in India and Pakistan, the Pakistan Government have accepted liability for payment of all Mr. Hamilton's outstanding dues. I understood in March that instructions had been given for immediate payment. The reasons for the delay are not known, and I have continued to press for an early settlement. I have just been informed that the money is being paid to Mr. Hamilton's bankers in Rawalpindi.

Could the right hon. Gentleman explain why there has been this continued delay in paying the sum due, in spite of the fact that the Pakistan Government admitted liability? Is he aware that the delay has caused Mr. Hamilton great inconvenience?

I cannot explain the delay, nor is it a matter for His Majesty's Government. If it is a matter for anybody it is a question to be addressed to the Government of Pakistan; but the money is now being paid in this case.

High Commission Territories, Africa

5.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations if he will make a statement on the question of the negotiations with His Majesty's Government proposed by the Premier of South Africa on the subject of the Union's desire to incorporate the British Protectorates of Bechuanaland, Swaziland and Basutoland.

I have seen the report of Dr. Malan's statement that he was prepared, with the consent of his Cabinet, to communicate with the British Government and indicate that the Union Government was prepared to take up the matter of transfer of the High Commission territories to the Union where it was left by General Hertzog. I cannot at present make any further statement.

May the House understand from that that His Majesty's Government would be prepared to enter into negotiations with the Union of South Africa on the basis of General Hertzog's pronouncement in 1925, which was that the Union would not seek incorporation of any territory into it unless that territory was prepared to join it?

We are, of course, prepared to discuss any programme with any Commonwealth Government at any time. In the course of the various negotiations that have gone on in the past in this matter that statement by General Hertzog is a very important one.

In view of the fact that there have been many discussions on this matter in the last 30 years, and a very important pronouncement in 1909, and the fact that there has been discussion in the Union Parliament, would it not be appropriate for His Majesty's Government to publish a White Paper with the relevant documents, past and present?

Are we to take it that the assurance that has been given previously, that there should be no transference of these territories without the agreement of the local inhabitants, still holds good?

I do not know how often one has to repeat an assurance, but I certainly repeat it.

Are we to take it that the Government holds the view that any transfer of any territory without the will of its inhabitants is a breach of the Atlantic Charter?

I do not think I should be asked to add to the statement which has been made for many years on this matter, and which I repeated only the other day in the House.

Will the Minister give an assurance that no irrevocable step will be taken by the Government in this matter until this House has had an opportunity to consider it?

That is part of the statement made by this and previous Governments on numerous occasions.

Trade And Commerce

Exports (Dollar Areas)

8.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the dollar content of exports to dollar areas.

I regret that the information asked for is not available. The total import content of our exports as a whole has been estimated at about one-fifth and the value of dollar materials embodied in our total exports is probably not more than about 5 per cent. of their value. While no precise figure can be given of the dollar content of our dollar exports, the major part of these exports can also be said to consist of non-dollar materials and resources.

9.

asked the President of the Board of Trade when it is anticipated that United Kingdom exports to the dollar area will reach the pre-devaluation level in value.

Exports of United Kingdom goods to the dollar area in terms of United States dollars have already passed the level prevailing immediately prior to devaluation. I hope, however, to have the opportunity of making a fuller statement on the progress of dollar exports this evening.

May I draw the attention of the Minister to the answer he gave me just before the Recess, when he said that exports to the dollar area averaged 48.2 million dollars in the five months October, 1949, to February, 1950, compared with 58.2 million dollars in the corresponding period of 1948–49? I am sure all my hon. Friends on this side of the House will be delighted if the position has improved so much in such a short time.

I am not sure what question the hon. Gentleman is putting. The period covered by his statement ended. I think, in February, 1949, and the statement I have just made referred to the immediate pre-devaluation position.

Would the Minister tell us whether, since devaluation, sterling selling prices in the dollar area have improved considerably, or have we to export about 40 per cent. more in volume to secure the same return?

It varies from product to product. In some cases there has been no reduction in dollar selling prices. In other cases a fall in prices has been to the full extent of devaluation. On average I should say it is somewhere about half and half.

Textile Machinery Exports

10.

asked the President of the Board of Trade the foreign countries and members of the Commonwealth which place limitations either by tariff or otherwise on the import of British textile machinery, giving details of such limitations.

As the answer to the first part of the Question is long, I will, with my hon. Friend's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT. The information desired in the last part would involve a mass of details which could not, in my view, be given by means of a Parliamentary answer, but, if my hon. Friend will let me know the particular countries he has in mind I will see that the relevant details he requires are sent to him.

Following is the answer:

According to the information in my possession, a number of countries restrict,. by import licensing or by the refusal of exchange permits, the entry of United Kingdom textile machinery. The extent of the restriction, of course, varies from country to country and from time to time. The following countries fall into this. class:

Canada.* South Africa. New Zealand. India. Sweden.* Norway. Denmark. Finland.* Iceland. Faroes. France.†Italy. Spain. Portugal. Western Germany.†Austria. Greece. Turkey. Yugoslavia.†Czechoslovakia.* Hungary. Persia.* Syria. Lebanon.* Iraq. Israel. Saudi Arabia. Ethiopia. Cyrenaica.* Libya. Tripolitania.* Afghanistan. China. Korea. Indonesia.†Costa Rica. Nicaragua. Bolivia. Chile. Ecuador. Argentina. Uruguay.* Paraguay. Burma.* Japan. Soviet Union. Poland. Roumania. Bulgaria. Albania. Brazil. Colombia.

* In these countries licences are, as a rule, granted for the importation of United Kingdom textile machinery.

† In these countries quotas have been established for United Kingdom textile machinery.

11.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what limitations are now imposed on the export of textile machinery to countries of Eastern Europe.

Licences must be obtained for the export to all destinations of card clothing and of textile machinery manufactured before the 30th April, 1941. There are no other restrictions on exports to Eastern Europe.

Could that answer be given the widest publicity in view of statements. constantly made in reactionary circles. around the "Daily Worker" that there are limitations of that kind? Could the Minister say what chances there are of expanding this trade?

I hope my hon. Friend will co-operate in that publicity. We have to limit card clothing exports because of shortage. Second-hand textile machinery has to be limited to prevent a sudden uprooting of plant from existing mills. The prospect of further extension depends not on us, or on any controls imposed by this Government; but upon the willingness of East European countries to take British textile machinery.

12.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is now in a position to make a statement as to future trade possibilities with China, with special reference to the question of the orders for textile machinery already placed for execution in this country.

No, Sir. It is not yet possible to make a realistic assessment of the future trade possibilities with China. Our traders, including exporters of textile machinery, are encountering many difficulties due in part to the Nationalist "blockade," in part to conditions in China and in part to uncertainty about the trade controls imposed by the Central People's Government.

Is the Minister aware that very large orders were placed for textile machinery before recent events in China, that substantial payments were allowed on account, and that these orders are of vital importance for the maintenance of employment in Oldham and elsewhere? Will he indicate how soon these difficulties will be resolved and how we can help to clear them?

Orders for textile machinery amounting to £10.8 million were placed before the events to which my hon. Friend referred, but it is quite uncertain how much textile machinery will be bought by China under the present Government.

New Industries, Portsmouth

13.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what success he has had during the past four years in encouraging industry to go to Portsmouth; and what plans he has for further encouragement in the future, in view of the fact that 5 per cent, of this city is unemployed.

Determined efforts have been made by my Department to interest industrialists in Portsmouth and in the past few years three firms new to the area have decided to establish themselves there. A number of other substantial projects are at present under consideration. As my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour and National Service informed the House on 6th April, in reply to a Question by the hon. and gallant Member, a good deal of the rise in unemployment in Portsmouth during the winter was seasonal, and work for some hundreds of people should be provided soon by factories, both for incoming and local firms, still under construction. We fully realise that, as in the development areas, more industry is required in Portsmouth, and we shall continue to do everything in our power to assist industry already there to expand and whenever practicable to steer new industry to the district.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the firms which his own Department encouraged to go to Portsmouth are being frustrated by other Government Departments? These three firms want to come but the Minister of Health, the Minister of Works or some other Minister will not give them permission to build or to get on with business. The result is that 5,000 are unemployed. Is this in accordance with the Government's full employment programme?

No, Sir. I am not aware of these facts, nor is the unemployment figure what the hon. and gallant Gentleman quoted. I am aware, however, that thanks to the co-operation of the Cooperative Wholesale Society a factory for them is shortly to be established in Portsmouth. I shall be very surprised if the hon. and gallant Gentleman suggests that we should use compulsion on private business interests to establish themselves in Portsmouth.

So that the hon. and gallant Gentleman and the House can be properly informed of the relevant comparative figures in relation to Portsmouth, could my right hon. Friend indicate the new industries and what was the general level of unemployment in Portsmouth in the inter-war years?

Yes, if my hon. Friend or the hon. and gallant Gentleman will put down a Question.

Moquettes (Export)

14.

asked the President of the Board of Trade why best quality English moquettes are being exported while British furniture makers have to rely on supplies of inferior continental moquette.

Moquette manufacturers are playing their part in the export drive, and I am glad to say that exports of wool pile fabrics are increasing, but there are some supplies of British moquettes to furniture makers as well as ample quantities of alternative covering materials.

Iron And Steel Exports(Canada)

15.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps he is taking to encourage greater exports of steel and steel manufactures to Canada, where a ready market exists for these products.

My Department loses no opportunity of urging upon the United Kingdom steel industry the importance of Canada as a market for their products. Exports of iron and steel and manufactures to Canada in 1949 were over twice as great as in the previous year, and I have every hope that as the result of the industry's efforts exports in 1950 will be even greater.

Can the right hon. Gentleman explain how it is that several foreign countries are getting a far greater proportion of our iron and steel exports than Canada, taking into consideration the difference in populations?

If the hon. Gentleman is referring to exports to other countries in Europe, Canada has been a first charge on our steel exports. We would like to have sent far more steel to Canada, but it has not been available because the British steel industry was not doing enough to meet all our requirements.

Czech Exports, Southern Rhodesia

16.

asked the President of the Board of Trade to what extent cars, tractors, typewriters or other products manufactured by the Czech armament works at Skoda and Brno are undercutting the market for British products in Southern Rhodesia.

I have no evidence that Czech exports of the products mentioned are undercutting the United Kingdom market in Southern Rhodesia. Imports into Southern Rhodesia from Czechoslovakia of the three specified types of goods have been insignificant.

Census Of Production(Forms)

17.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will send duplicate forms for the census of production so that copies can more conveniently be retained by those who are required to complete the forms.

No, Sir; but firms are invited on the census form to apply for any additional forms they need.

Would it not save a great deal of trouble if those forms were supplied in the first instance, so that all firms could keep a copy?

Not all firms need them. If we were to send two forms where only one is to be returned, the first result would be Questions by hon. Members opposite asking why we sent two forms when only one was needed.

Would not the cost of sending two forms be negligible compared with the cost of the correspondence asking that the extra forms should be sent?

Yes, but the cost of doing all the work involved in answering Questions by hon. Members opposite would not be negligible. We are quite prepared to send duplicate forms when they are asked for; we have, in fact, sent duplicate forms to the extent of about 12 per cent. of the original forms supplied.

Could the right hon. Gentleman carry his answer to its logical conclusion and not send any forms at all?

I am only concerned to avoid waste caused by sending too many forms, but it is necessary to send one form to each firm concerned in accordance with the decision of this House.

General Election (Official Cars)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the widespread abuse of the law relating to official cars at the General Election, and the inability of the police to enforce the law in its present form, he will consider altering this law which at present is unworkable.

No, Sir. I have no evidence to suggest that the existing law is unworkable.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that during the Election there were many cases of this law creating nothing but annoyance? As it has served no useful purposes whatever does not the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is an annoyance which should be removed?

Can the right hon. Gentleman say how many prosecutions were made as a result of the abuse of this law during the General Election.

As this difficulty which has been referred to by my hon. Friend applies to every constituency and to all parties, would not the simplest solution be to increase the number of cars?

The hon. and gallant Gentleman is exaggerating the difficulties that occurred.

Will my right hon. Friend consider the abolition of motor cars during elections, except for a few which would be placed under the control of the presiding officer for the conveyance of people who are unable to get to the poll because of sickness?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in the rural areas this is a very real problem, and that in my constituency, as in many others, we caught the Labour Party red-handed?

Offensive Weapons

21.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in examining the possibility of strengthening the law in relation to the possession of knuckle-dusters and other offensive weapons, he will consider whether the powers of the police to arrest persons found in possession of offensive weapons need to be reinforced

County Constituencies(Size)

22.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether. in view of the fact that the size in acres of each county constituency in England. and Wales has previously been published and that the areas of county constituencies have been materially altered by the Representation of the People Act, 1949, he will now publish this information in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

No, Sir. As I stated in answer to a Question by the hon. Member on 23rd March, I regret that this information is not readily available

is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this information was provided in the 1931 census return? Is he further aware that material is available to the Home Office, and does he not agree that it is most desirable, the interests of all parties, to have this information?

I understand that there would be some difficulties which I do not think it would be worth while encountering.

Police Cadet Corps

23.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he has given consideration to the formation of a police cadet corps.

Police cadets are already employed in a number of police forces. The Oaksey Committee recommended that. police forces which do not now employ cadets should give the system a trial if suitable work is available and I have this recommendation uncle: consideration

Does not the Minister think it would be possible that some arrangement like the cadet forces of the three Services might be suitable for the Police Force?

There would be some difficulty about making that arrangement, but I am considering with the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police whether I can extend to the Metropolis a system which is working quite satisfactorily in many provincial forces.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that during the war this system worked very well, and that in some of the large cities there were some wonderful boys who afterwards passed out into the Police Force?

Yes; the cadets continue in some police forces, and I would like to see a considerable extension of this form of recruiting.

Would the right hon. Gentleman consider using these cadets to watch Labour Party motor cars at the General Election?

Patent Medicine (Sale)

24.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that a patent medicine sold under the name of "Dolcin,' and advertised as a cure for rheumatism, can be sold with safety without a doctor's prescription.

I have no reason to think that the sale of this preparation should be restricted in the manner suggested.

Prison Discipline

25.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent a modification is proposed in respect of experiments in the discipline of prisoners and the external physical form of their imprisonment

The. question of modifications in prison discipline will be considered in the light of the recommendations of the Departmental Committee on Offences and Punishments in Prisons and Borstals, which is expected to report fairly soon. I presume that my hon Friend is referring, in the latter part of the Question, to the establishment of prisons where prisoners serve their sentences under open conditions. The success of this experiment has been amply shown, and no significant modification of it is contemplated. Its extension is limited only by the numbers of prisoners appearing to be suitable for treatment along these lines.

Can we take it that the rather sensational statements in the Press that this experiment has proved a failure are quite. untrue?

I do not think anybody with a knowledge of the subject would countenance such a statement.

Housing

Polish Families

26.

asked the Minister of Health what is the policy of His Majesty's Government for responsibility for housing Poles formerly accommodated by the National Assistance Board.

So far as my Department is concerned, I invite local authorities to assume the administration of camps occupied by Polish families where the camps contain other accommodation which can be made available for housing purposes.

Would the right hon. Gentleman give an assurance that when he is asked by local authorities for assistance in taking over these camps, and that assistance is not forthcoming, he will not compel the local authorities to take over those camps?

As a rule, when local authorities have been asked they have agreed. In the case that the hon. and gallant Gentleman has in mind there is accommodation in the camp for 20 families. We thought the local authority would be interested in administering the camp in order to get 20 families into the camp alongside the Poles. When the local authority does this we usually have a conference with the Departments concerned and the Parliamentary Secretaries, but we do not use compulsory powers because it is no use compelling local authorities to do this work unwillingly.

Is the right hon Gentleman not aware that in the case he mentioned, according to the memorandum from the National Assistance Board, there were 644 persons involved, and that this would mean a very serious interruption in the local authority's housing scheme for their own people?

I think that is where the local authority is under a misapprehension. This does not affect their own housing needs at all. In fact, according to my information it would provide accommodation for 20 additional families in the locality.

Liverpool

31.

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware of the serious shortage of houses in Liverpool and if he would be prepared to have a conference with the Liverpool housing authorities to find ways and means to get rid of this shortage.

My principal regional officer is in close touch with representatives of the council and will give all practicable assistance to them in expediting their housing programme.

Is the Minister aware that the position is becoming very deplorable in the city of Liverpool and that I am asking for this conference because we are not satisfied about the housing question in the city? Is he aware that we should like some stimulation introduced to get things going more speedily?

As my hon. Friend knows, the Liverpool authority were given permission by me to build more houses than, in fact, they did build. I think the rate of completions has been expedited in recent years, but if I can give any help I shall be very pleased to give it

Deal

37.

asked the Minister of Health what allocation of houses has been made to Deal for 1950; and when he expects to make a further allocation.

No allocation has yet been made for 1950 because tenders for 106 houses were approved as recently as 22nd December, 1949. Further allocation will depend on progress.

Blackpool

41.

asked the Minister of Health how many licences he has authorised the Blackpool Corporation to grant to private builders to build houses since 1st January, 1950; and how many further licences he expects to authorise them to grant during this calendar year.

The council have been informed that they may issue such licences up to a maximum of one in 10 of the allocations made to them.

Will the right hon. Gentleman say when he intends to restore the figure to the maximum of one in four which existed before the cuts, which were made last October, as these cuts are now being restored?

It was not one in four, but one in five. I hope to make a statement to the House very shortly about new systems of allocation.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that if he examines the housing columns in the local Press at Blackpool, Brixton or anywhere else, he will find that there has been no shortage of houses for sale with vacant possession since 1945?

Housing Estates (Designs)

43.

asked the Minister of Health if he will give particulars of his regional awards for the best-designed local authority housing estate, with special reference to their cost and the amount of time that will be required by the officials involved for their implementation.

Particulars of these awards are given in Circular 19/50, of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy. The cost of the scheme in time and money will be very small.

Local Authorities(Allocations)

44.

asked the Minister of Health on what basis the allocation of houses to local authorities for the year 1950–51 has been made.

Within the limits of the total programme, allocations to individual local authorities are made in the light of the current evidence available as to relative housing need and building progress.

Leicestershire And Rutland

65.

asked the Minister of Health whether he has considered the resolution, a copy of which has been sent him, passed by a recent conference of the Leicestershire and Rutland British Legion Council, urging him to speed up the building programme of council houses, and to relax immediately the recent restrictions imposed on private house building in order to help to reduce the numbers of those already on the waiting list for a council house; and what action he proposes to take.

Yes, Sir. I would refer the hon. Member to the statement made by my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the course of his speech on 18th April

Equalisation Grants

66.

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware that the principle on which equalisation grants to local authorities are based is inequitable to certain cities such as Liverpool. and that the grants payable are calculated in a way that encourages extravagance; and if he is prepared to reconsider the principle on which the grants are based.

I cannot accept these allegations, but in any event the Act provides for an investigation into the working of the grant as soon as the new valuation lists come into force.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that Liverpool, which forms part of a development area, receives no equalisation grant, whereas cities which do not, like Birmingham, receive a substantial grant; and that, in the case of those authorities who do get grants, the grant is related to the rate of expenditure?

These grants were related quite definitely to the reteable value per head of the. population. If the hon. and gallant Gentleman's city did not.attract a grant under that basis, it is obviously because its rateable value is higher than the average.

National Health Service

Spectacles

27.

asked the Minister of Health how frequently his regulations permit persons who have obtained spectacles under the National Health Scheme to have them replaced.

As often as a sight test under the service shows that different lenses are clinically necessary. New frames are supplied only if the original ones cannot be re-used.

May 1 ask the Minister whether he will make inquiries. in a selected number of cases, to see how many spectacles are now in the possession of pawnbrokers?

I think that in view of the policy of the Labour Government there are no pawnbrokers to take in the spectacles.

As I do not understand the answer, may I again ask the Minister whether he will make inquiries?

Hearing Aids

28.

asked the Minister of Health how long those requiring ear aids have to wait for an appointment to be examined at Manchester Ear Clinic; and how long they have to wait after examination for their aids.

Waiting period depends on the priority given to the case. The rate of issue will increase shortly with the appointment of another technician

Is the right hon. Gentle. man aware that I have instances of cases where people have been kept waiting for seven months for examination and another 19 months, afterwards, for their aural aid?

Yes, and a very large number have been waiting for many years for what some of them are now able to get. As I have explained previously, the limitation upon the issue of aural aids is not the production of aural aids but the number of technicians who fit these aids at the hospitals. It is not desirable to issue the aids through unskilled people; if that were done deaf people would not know how to use them.

Would it not be much more honest for the National Health Service to make these facts known, and not to hold out hopes to the deaf which the service is quite unable to fulfil?

These facts have been made known. They were made known when the service was started, but I would point out that between 60,000 and 70,000 deaf people have received aural aids who would not have had them if the hon Member's party had been in office.

Opticians (Registration)

32.

asked the Minister of Health whether the committee appointed by him to inquire into the question of registration of opticians has yet completed its findings: and if he will make a statement.

The committee is not expected to report for some time yet and I am not, therefore, in a position to make any statement on the matter.

Is the right hon. Gentle. man aware that it was as long ago as April last year that he said, in answer to a Question, that he had decided to set up a committee to inquire into this question and into the abuses which have occurred and have given rise to considerable anxiety? Could he expedite this matter?

I am not the boss of this committee. The committee has been established and it will take what time it considers necessary to do its work properly.

Hospital Stalls

3.

asked the Minister of Health what were the numbers and the costs of the clerical and administrative staffs of hospitals for each of the last four years.

Figures are available for only the last two years. On 31st December, 1948, when staff was still being built up and much of the administrative work was being done by local authorities on an agency basis, the total clerical and administrative staff of hospitals was 20,933. On 31st December, 1949, when the agency arrangements had been superseded, the figure was 25,654. Corresponding figures of cost are not available, but the cost of administration in the financial year 1949–50 was estimated at £3,500,000 and in the year 1950–51 at £4,500,000.

Is the right hon. Gentleman sure that no estimates, even if slightly less accurate, can be made for the two earlier years? Is it quite impossible to make any estimates for the condition of things when the Ministry took over?

Absolutely impossible, because in the first place, voluntary hospitals had no uniform system of accounting which would throw up the various categories upon which the money was being spent.

Nurses (Salaries)

39.

asked the Minister of Health whether he has yet received the report from the Whitley Council on the new scale of salaries of the higher grades of nursing staff.

Does the Minister realise that this is a very serious matter and is causing a great deal of distress to senior nurses in hospitals? Will he please take action to see that this report is received as soon as possible?

It is, of course, open to hon. Members to put these Questions on the Order Paper, but it has been the practice to allow the Whitley machinery to operate under its own steam.

Could I be assured that this is not part of the Government's wage freeze?

The Whitley machinery has worked very hard and a very large number of adjustments have been made in the salaries and conditions of health staffs, which have been improved more in four years than in the previous 40 years.

Dentists (Salaries)

64.

asked the Minister of Health how soon Whitley machinery will be set up to negotiate new salaries for dentists in the service of local authorities

Progress in setting up a Dental Whitley Council now depends entirely on the representatives of the dental profession.

Horses (Export And Slaughter)

30.

asked the Minister of Health whether he has yet given consideration to recommendations (f) to (n) and (r) of the Departmental Committee on the Export and Slaughter of Horses: and, if so, whether he will give an indication of the action it is proposed to take.

These recommendations are still under consideration. I am afraid I am not yet ready to make any statement.

Discussions are taking place between my Department and the Ministry of Food about the transfer of legal responsibility for this subject, and I hope that a statement will be made next week.

Public Health

Sewage Disposal, Upper Harbledown

34.

asked the Minister of Health whether he will now reconsider his decision to defer the allocation of a sum of £2,750 towards the Upper Harbledown sewage disposal scheme, in view of the danger to health arising from the present condition.

A grant of £2,750 towards the cost of this scheme has already been allocated provisionally under the Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Act, 1944. Authority to proceed with the work will be given as soon as practicable.

Smallpox

35.

asked the Minister of Health where our recent smallpox infections originated; what foul ports are visited by British ships; and if he is satisfied that international health and quarantine regulations are efficiently observed at these ports.

All cases were traced to an Asian seaman who arrived in London on 5th March. It has not been possible to establish the source of infection. British ships inevitably visit many ports where serious infections may occur, but the application of health and quarantine measures is a matter for the Governments concerned.

Could my right hon. Friend say what ports are, technically, foul ports at the moment?

No, I could not say at the moment what they are, but if my hon. Friend puts down a Question I will try to obtain the information for him. We are satisfied that certain ports of call have been sources of infection, and I am making inquiries about it through the International Health Organisation

Could my right hon. Friend say how many of the victims in this country had recently been vaccinated?

If my hon. Friend will put down a Question I will give him an answer. I think that quite a number had not been vaccinated.

River Thames (Pollution)

40.

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware of the anxiety which exists about pollution of the River Thames and the danger to health therein involved; and what action he is taking.

I am aware that conditions are unsatisfactory in certain parts of the river, and I am in close touch with the authorities concerned as to the different problems which arise. If the hon. Member would indicate which particular reaches of the river he has in mind I should be glad to make inquiries and to give him such information as I can.

Is the right hon. Gentleman prepared, in due course, to indicate whether any reaches above tide water are unsafe for bathing on health grounds?

If the hon. Member will indicate what particular reaches they are, I will make inquiries. At the moment I do not know.

Would the right hon. Gentleman consider giving a general warning to the public, covering the whole of the river above tide water?

Water Supply, Foulsham

42.

asked the Minister of Health if he will expedite the granting of permission for the connecting up of the supply of mains water to the council houses and doctor's surgery in Foulsham, Norfolk.

The local authority have been authorised to make an immediate start on the extension of mains for this purpose.

River Boards

45.

asked the Minister of Agriculture what steps he is taking in selecting members of river boards to ensure that the interests of boat owners and others using the rivers for navigational sport and recreation are properly safeguarded.

The River Boards Act does not provide for the appointment of members to represent the interests to which the hon. and gallant Member refers.

While I realise that, may I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he proposes taking any action to encourage representations by local authorities and other interests to ensure that the interests of the users of waterways are not deliberately disregarded?

I should have thought that the hon. and gallant Gentleman would have relied upon the representatives of local authorities to safeguard the interests he has in mind.

Does the right hon. Gentleman appreciate that navigational sport is not the only form of recreation that can be derived from rivers, and will he take steps to see that the interests of fishermen are also properly safeguarded?

That is exactly why Parliament decided, when the Act was being passed, that only revenue producers should be represented on the river boards.

Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that my hon. and gallant Friend's supplementary question is an indication of difficulties which, unless he takes some action in the matter, will result in the interests of navigation being completely overlooked?

River Great Ouse (Flood Prevention)

46.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he will make a statement on the progress of the River Great Ouse flood prevention scheme, with particular reference to the financial aspect.

Before work on the main scheme begins, the Catchment Board need to determine the extent of their liability under Section 42 of the River Great Ouse (Flood Protection) Act, 1949, for protective works in the Port of King's Lynn. Negotiations to this end are in progress, and 1 understand that, meanwhile, the Board are putting in hand certain surveys and other work of a preliminary nature. Whether the Government grant of 90 per cent. on the main scheme can be extended to include any protective works is a matter to be considered when the probable cost of such works is known.

Agriculture

Shepherds (Shortage)

47.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he is aware that many farmers are anxious to keep sheep but are prevented from so doing by the shortage of shepherds; and whether he will consult with the Minister of Labour with a view to considering any plan that may assist flock-masters to obtain the services of qualified shepherds, men or women.

The sheep population has been rising since 1947, but I am aware that in certain areas the shortage of shepherds is one factor, among others, limiting further recovery. The number of regular workers in agriculture has increased, however, and in my view it is primarily tor the industry itself to devise means for training young workers as shepherds. In this connection, I should be glad to see more rapid progress made with the agricultural apprenticeship scheme which the industry has for some time had under consideration.

Has the right hon. Gentleman had any consultation with the Ministry of Labour on this matter?

Yes; and we are now conducting a publicity campaign to secure further recruits to agriculture generally, instead of specifying only one or two sectors of the industry.

As the right hon. Gentleman's colleagues now have fewer "sheep" to look after, will he release one or two of them to act as shepherds?

Land (Subsidence)

48.

asked the Minister of Agriculture how many acres of agricultural land held by private and national mineral workers are at present waterlogged or derelict as the result of subsidence.

As it is believed that considerable areas are in this state, will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to make the information available at an early date?

I scarcely think that a wide survey for this purpose would be justified.

Land, Worcestershire(Production)

49.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he will furnish details of the land-use and agricultural production during 1947–49 inclusive, derived from the area of 201.535 acres, north and south of the Abberley/Tenbury main road,.in the rural district of Martley, in the county of Worcestershire, and referred to on site plans, "The Elms, M.O.F.P.-M/9/551/1," and "Crundle, M.O.F.P.-M/9/550/1 "; and what plans the Worcestershire Agricultural Executive Committee have for food production from this area of 201.535 acres in the years 1950, 1951 and 1952.

This area includes parts of six holdings and comprises some 66 acres of permanent pasture, 115 acres of arable and 20-i acres of woodland roads and waste. About 40 acres of the pasture forms part of a stud farm. I will, with permission, circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a statement showing for the three years 1947 to 1949 the estimated total produce sold off the land or transferred to other parts of the holdings.

In answer to the second part of the Question, agricultural executive committees do not draw up cropping programmes for individual farms. but so far as can be foreseen at present there is no reason to anticipate that the 1951 and 1952 production plans of the occupiers of this land will show any significant changes from the current pattern.

Is the Minister aware that the areas referred to are intensively cultivated farmlands of exceptional fertility, and that the Ministry of Fuel and Power proposes shortly to commence opencast coalmining activities which will destroy the natural water supplies and drainage of the area and render the land unfit for agricultural production for all foreseeable time? What measures does he propose to take to protect farming interests in the locality?

Although a proposal has been made from the Ministry of Fuel and Power, no clearance for boring purposes has yet been given

Why should the people of Worcestershire be treated in this manner? I raise my voice in protest.

Following is the statement:

Roots 600 tons; Wheat, 59 tons; Other Cereals, 55 tons; Potatoes, 44 tons; Milk, 14,200 gallons; Attested and other stock, 124; Lambs, 275; Poultry, 970.

Surplus Machinery (Disposal)

52.

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he is aware of the resentment amongst farmers that dealers are given the first opportunity to purchase from agricultural executive committees any available surplus agricultural machinery; and whether arrangements will be made in future to put all such surplus machinery up to auction, so that farmers may have the same opportunities as dealers with regard to its purchase.

It would not be in accordance with Government policy, as laid down in the White Paper of 1944 on Plans for Disposal of Government Stores, to dispose of surplus machinery entirely by public auction. The present arrangements provide for disposal both through trade channels and by public auction, and the major part of the machinery has, in fact, been sold by public auction. When sold through the trade, it has to be fully reconditioned and its re-sale price is controlled this system should not, therefore. be disadvantageous to farmers.

Calves (Earmarking)

53.

asked the Minister of Agriculture if he will take steps to stop the present method of earmarking calves under the subsidy scheme, and adopt some other method of identification which avoids the unnecessary injuries now caused

No, Sir. The present method of marking was adopted after a careful study of humanitarian considerations and practical requirements, and I see no reason to change it.

Is the Minister aware that many farmers are perturbed at the way in which the hole is punched in the ear? It catches in trees, and so on, half tearing the ear off, spoiling the appearance of the animal, and causing unnecessary suffering.

I have had no information brought to my notice to that effect, but the hon. Member will be aware that this ear punching was to avoid the same calf's collecting two sets of subsidies.

Is the Minister aware of the importance which breed societies attach to this question, and to the fact that the problem can be quite easily solved by tattooing the left ear, as is done in the case of bulls?

I can assure the hon. Gentleman that the National Farmers' Union was consulted before this method was approved.

Horses (Export And Slaughter)

54.

asked the Minister of Agriculture when he proposes to give effect to the recommendations of Lord Rosebery's Commit- tee on the Export and Slaughter of Horses.

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the full statement I made in reply to the hon. Member for Banbury (Mr. Dodds-Parker) on 30th March.

Yes, but as the right hon. Gentleman will realise, the public have the fate of these exported horses very much at heart. Will he do something, in conjunction with the Minister of Health, to expedite action in regard to this matter?

The hon. and gallant Gentleman has been informed before, I think, that from the date when the Committee was set up no horses were exported, so there cannot have been any anxiety.

Horse Breeding

56.

asked the Minister of Agriculture what steps he proposes to take to encourage the breeding of horses in this country without encouraging such breeding for purposes of slaughter.

Grants are available to heavy horse societies to encourage the breeding of horses. In addition, my Department, in co-operation with the British Horse Society, is preparing a film which, I hope, will stimulate interest in horse breaking and management. More emphasis is also being given to demonstrations in management at local and national agricultural shows.

National Finance

Investments (American Companies)

57.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many American companies have arranged with the Economic Co-operation Administration to invest capital in Britain; and whether he can give any information as to the nature of their investments.

Nine, Sir. The investments cover a wide variety of enter- prises, all of which should play their part in rendering us independent of external aid.

Is not the number of American companies that have come over to this country so small because they fear they will not be able to transfer their profits back to America when they have made them, and are frightened of the nationalisation of their capital?

This Question does not relate to the number of American companies that have come over here, but to the number that have taken advantage of the arrangements provided by the Economic Co-operation Administration. which gives them precisely the guarantees to which the hon. Gentleman referred.

Food Subsidies

58.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much is expended from the food subsidy account to cheapen consumers' prices in the case of homegrown food and imported food respectively; and what proportions these subsidies bear to the actual cost of the food in both cases.

It is estimated that of this year's food subsidies, totalling £410 million, £246 million will be in respect of home-produced food and £164 million in respect of imported food. The estimated subsidy on home-produced food will be 43.6 per cent. of the cost, and on imported food 16.5 per cent.

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that this information is carefully explained to the new Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food?

59.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give particulars of the subsidies paid to British farmers apart from those subsidies for the direct benefit of consumers which are paid on food supplies from all sources.

I will, with permission, circulate the particulars in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following are the particulars:

It is estimated that the subsidies paid to British farmers during the financial year 1950–51 will be as follows:—*

Items borne on the Votes of the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries. (Class VI. Votes 8 and 9.)

£
Attested herds scheme2,500,000
Milk recording76,000
Grants for stallions, bulls, etc.52,000
Grants to artificial insemination centres1,000
Grants for the drainage of agricultural land and water supply grants2,151,000
Wool subsidy250,000
Ploughing-up grants1,000,000
Marginal production assistance300,000
Hill sheep and hill cattle subsidies1,305,000
Hill farms improvement grants330,000
Lime subsidy6,300,000
Free artificial insemination services60,000
Calf subsidy6,000,000
Grass drying grants100,000
20,425,000

Items borne on the Votes of the Department of Agriculture for Scotland. (Class VI. Votes 20 and 21.)

Grants for improvement of live-stock104,000
Land drainage and water supply grants390,000
Grass conservation grants8,000
Ploughing-up grants500,000
Hill sheep and hill cattle subsidies1,380,000
Hill farm improvement grants150,000
Bracken destruction grants14,000
Marginal production assistance300,000
Calf subsidy1,100,000
Free artificial insemination services2,000
3,948,000
Grand Total24,373,000

*Acreage payments are excluded since they are regarded as a consumer subsidy and are included in the food subsidy calculations.

Railways And Roads (Expenditure)

60.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why, in the Economic Survey for 1950, the total capital expenditure on railways has been placed on a different basis from that used in the Economic Survey for 1949, and now excludes the cost of permanent way repairs and maintenance; and why similar steps have not been taken to exclude from The capital expenditure on roads the cost of their maintenance as against improvement.

The only expenditure excluded relates to the examination and day-to-day repairs of the permanent way and roiling stock. Expenditure on work similar to the maintenance of roads is still treated as investment. The figures for capital outlay on roads were adjusted to this basis in the Economic Survey for 1949, when comparable day-to-day repair costs were omitted.

Government Officials (Powers Of Entry)

61 and 62.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury (1) whether, in connection with the 2,000 officials who have power to enter private houses and premises without a warrant, he can state the exact numbers who are in the Ministry of Civil Aviation, the War Damage Commission and the Inland Revenue Valuation Offices; and if, in view of the public dislike and resentment at having their homes intruded upon, the whole position will now be reviewed with a view to these powers being rescinded;

(2) in connection with the 2,000 officials who are permitted to enter homes without warrant, what safeguards the householder has so as to satisfy himself that a person demanding entry without warrant is authorised to do so, with special regard to the danger of criminals imposing upon householders by impersonating these officials.

As regards the numbers of officials, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. Remnant) on 18th April. These powers are invariably exercised with proper discretion. Visits are nearly always arranged by appointment, and the householder can demand to see the official's pass.

Does the hon. Gentleman not realise that that reply does notgive the precise number; does he really mean to suggest to this honourable House that we are not to have this information? Supposing there were but one, is that not one too many; and is it not commensurate with a "Police State "? Surely something must be done to preserve our traditional liberties. [HON. MEMBERS: "Hear, hear."] Hear, hear! Can I have an answer, or do we understand that liberty has gone up the flue?

National Service Registrations, Cardiff

67.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of youths in Cardiff who were liable for conscription to the Armed Forces during, 1948 and 1949; the number actually conscripted; and whether he is prepared to review the system of conscription.

The number of men in Cardiff who became liable for registration under the National Service Acts in each of the years 1948 and 1949 was between 1,500 and 1,600. As explained in my reply to the hon. Member for Blackpool, North (Mr. Low), on 3rd April, 1950, I cannot say the number of men called up from those who registered in any particular place. The answer to the last part of the Question is, "No."

Employment (Nottingham)

69.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware of the difficulty of obtaining employment in the Nottingham area for a skilled welder with full experience in the aircraft industry; and what action he is taking to overcome this difficulty.

I have written to the hon. Member explaining the circumstances of this individual case.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that this question crystallises the fears of some 600 men at Nottingham, who are not entirely satisfied with their jobs and are afraid of losing, not only their skill, but also their homes?

It does nothing of the kind. If the hon. Gentleman had carefully examined the letter I have sent to him he would have informed the House in his supplementary question that this man is not out of a job, is not in need of a job, and is merely making inquiries about another job should he need one.

Pest Sprays (Safety Regulations)

70.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will set up a committee to inquire into the effects on the health of agricultural workers of pest sprays having phosphorous, arsenic and parathion bases, in order to ascertain whether any changes in the existing safety regulations are necessary.

The question of the precautions to be taken in the use of poisonous sprays in agriculture was the subject of a recommendation in the Report of the Gowers Committee. The Report is at present under consideration.

Education

Hertfordshire Scheme

71.

asked the Minister of Education whether the scheme which he has put forward for the alteration, amalgamation and redistribution of certain educational foundations in Hertfordshire is to be regarded as a model scheme which will subsequently be applied to all similar county groups and trusts, or whether he will consider the desirability of calling a further conference of all concerned before the principles involved are finally settled.

In accordance with the provisions of Section 2 of the Education (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1948, my Department are engaged on a review, on a county basis, of educational foundations throughout the country, and it is my intention to embark on other schemes on the general lines of the Hertfordshire scheme. The trusts of every charity proposed to be included in a scheme have to be carefully scrutinised, and opportunity is given during the publication of draft schemes for objections and representations to be made to me. The Hertfordshire scheme, which was sealed on the 13th of this month, was in fact materially amended in the light of such representations. I will, however, consider the practicability of consulting, before drafting similar schemes, those bodies of trustees who have a major interest in the scheme for the county concerned.

Is it not the case that this Hertfordshire scheme contemplated the diversion of money from local trusts to schools of other localities? Is he aware that such diversion causes very great local feeling and is very much disliked locally; and will he be very careful about doing this?

As I say, all those things are taken into consideration when a scheme is put forward.

New Schools (Loans)

72.

asked the Minister of Education if he is prepared to lend money, interest free to build new voluntary schools and agree to extend the period for repayment of loan, or what he intends to do to lighten the financial burden in regard to the building of new schools.

I have power under Section 105 of the Education Act, 1944, to make loans under certain conditions to the managers or governors of aided or special agreement schools in respect of their share of the cost of altering or replacing existing accommodation. Half the cost of such projects is met by direct grant from my Department, and in the case of special agreement schools up to three-quarters of the cost is paid by the local education authority. The Act does not enable me to make loans or to pay grant for the building of completely new voluntary schools which provide additional places, and which are not eligible for grant.

The exact terms and conditions of each loan are specified in an agreement made with the consent of the Treasury. The current arrangements are given in Addendum No. 1 to Administrative Memorandum No. 199, of which I am sending the hon. Member a copy. The payment of reasonable rates of interest on such loans is part of the essential framework of the 1944 Settlement, and I could not therefore agree to charge no interest. The period for repayment is determined in relation to the circumstances of the individual project, and has regard in particular to the life of the resulting asset. I am, however, exploring with the denominations concerned other means of alleviating the problems which are now facing them.

As the matter is one of general interest, would the Minister arrange for the document to which he has referred to be circulated in the OFFICIAL REPORT?

The document to which reference is made is a memorandum which can be obtained on application by those interested.

School Building Programme

75.

asked the Minister of Education what steps he proposes to take to meet the danger in some areas that, either half-time education may have to be introduced for the youngest children or, alternatively, that some children may have to remain out of school until they are five and a half or six years of age.

The school building programme places special emphasis on the provision of accommodation for the increasing number of children coming into the schools as a result of the rise in the birth-rate. There may be a few areas in which admissions will have to be restricted until new school buildings become available, but in 1949, the latest period for which information is available, it is estimated that 90 per cent. of the five year-old age group was in maintained primary schools. This was a higher percentage than in any other post-war year up to that time.

Transport, Berkshire

76.

asked the Minister of Education if it is on his instructions that the Berkshire Education Authority is effecting a general curtailment of transport for school children; and if some discretion can be allowed to the authority where, for distances over two miles, main road traffic creates dangers for children, or where the direct walking route is unsuitable in bad weather.

As regards the first part of the Question, I would refer the hon. Member to paragraph 9 of Circular 210, of which I am sending him a copy. The answer to the second part is "Yes."

Does that allow the local education authority, where there is a main road which is dangerous and which children have to traverse for, say, two miles, to provide transport if there is no footpath?

Provided the local authority consider it to be dangerous. they can make provision.

Colonial Timbers (Hardwood)

The following Question stood on the Order Paper in the name of MR. JOHN GRIMSTON:

77. To ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies what steps he is taking to grade and make known the suitability for various uses, particularly housing, of the new types of hardwood likely to be imported from Honduras and Guiana.

As the Minister is not present, this Question will be answered after the first Private Notice Question.

Later

I have been asked to reply.

The Forest Products Research Laboratory are doing much useful work on a variety of questions relating to the suitability of colonial timbers for the United Kingdom market and in bringing these timbers to the notice of the trade. Neither British Honduras nor British Guiana produce in appreciable quantities hardwood suitable for use in housing.

While thanking the right hon. Gentleman for that reply, and hoping that I have not caused him any embarrassment, may I ask if he is aware that last year over 98 per cent. of our railway sleepers were imported from dollar countries, that the trees most plentiful in British Guiana are eminently suitable for the purpose, and that if this source of supply is developed a great saving of dollars will be effected?

Would it not have been possible for the Secretary of State for the Colonies, at the time that he asked the Lord President of the Council to reply to this Question, to have given him the full information with which to do so?

I can assure the right hon. Gentleman that my right hon. Friend did his very best to do so, and that I have it before me. Not being quick enough in the up-take, I have not absorbed it so far.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that research of the nature indicated in the Question is being undertaken by the Venezuelan Government in comparable territory, and will he arrange for them to make available to the Colonial Office the results of their researches?