Skip to main content

Oral Answers To Questions

Volume 477: debated on Tuesday 18 July 1950

The text on this page has been created from Hansard archive content, it may contain typographical errors.

British Army

National Service Men (Malaya)

1.

asked the Secretary of State for War how many National Service men have been sent to Malaya; what is the average number of months they have served before being sent out; and if he proposes to continue to send men to do their National Service in Malaya.

Of the National Service men called up under the National Service Acts, 1948, some 4,500 were sent to Malaya during the period 1st January, 1949, to 31st May, 1950. Since May, 1949, it has been the rule that National Service men must serve for 4½ months before being sent to Malaya. The average period is slightly higher. As I have previously stated, National Service men must continue to be sent abroad to the extent that our military commitments render this necessary.

Is the Secretary of State aware that there are some boys of 18 years of age who have just finished training for three months and who are now on leave before proceeding to Malaya and Hong Kong? Is he further aware of the undertaking, which was given during the passing of the National Service Act through this House, that no boy under 19 years of age would be sent abroad, and that during even the dark days of the war no boys under 19 were sent?

I am not aware that they are being sent to Malaya after training of three months, for the rule is four and a half months before they are sent out. If my hon. Friend has any case in mind where this rule is not being followed I should like to hear of it.

Is it not being shown in Korea that the use of conscript troops at that stage of a war is not the best use that can be made of them? Does not my right hon. Friend think there should be a special volunteer force for Malaya of people with experience of Commando and similar operations in the last war, properly trained, which would be, in my view, the most effective method of dealing with the Malayan situation?

That is a much wider question, but I do not take the view that National Service men have proved unsuitable in Malaya. From such personal observations as I could make there, I took a very different view from that.

1St Battalion, North Staffordshire Regiment

2.

asked the Secretary of State for War what are his future plans for the movements of the 1st Battalion, North Staffordshire Regiment.

Will the Secretary of State give an undertaking that boys under 19 who have been transferred recently from the North Staffordshire Regiment to the Worcesters and the South Staffordshire Regiment, will not be sent abroad unless they have at least the average training which they receive in other regiments?

As I have already said, the rule is that they must not be sent to Malaya until they have four and a half months' training. If there is any question of an infraction of that rule I should naturally like to have particulars.

Can the Secretary of State inform the House when the change was brought about? During the passage of the National Service Act an undertaking was given, which. was carried out right throughout the war, under which no boy under 19 years of age would be sent abroad. Can he say when that was changed?

Perhaps my hon. Friend would put down a Question on that point, which is a different one.

Courts Martial (Notices)

5.

asked the Secretary of State for War why, in accordance with Army Council Instructions, a notice was not displayed at the Chelsea Barracks, where it could be seen by the public, giving details of a court martial held there on 10th July.

12.

asked the Secretary of State for War when, and how, instructions were issued requiring notices of forthcoming courts martial to be publicly displayed at or near the headquarters at which they are convened.

Instructions regarding the display of notices of courts martial were issued by signal to all Commands on 23rd June, 1950. An Army Council letter was despatched the same day. The instruction provided for the new procedure to come into force not later than mid-July, and the national and provincial Press were notified on 29th June that it might be mid-July before it was fully implemented. The new arrangements are now in force.

Troops, Smithfield (Cost)

6.

asked the Secretary of State for War what is the daily cost to public funds of the use of Army personnel at Smithfield market; and what has been the total cost of such assistance at Smithfield since the end of the war.

None, Sir. Appropriate charges, sufficient to cover expenditure, are recovered from the employers.

is it not gravely inconsistent that the cost of building a Bailey bridge over the Thames in connection with the Festival of Britain should not he charged, as the right hon. Gentleman said these particular charges are, and why should this inconsistency occur? Why not charge the unions or those responsible for ill-discipline, with this cost?

Anti-Aircraft Developments

7.

asked the Secretary of State for War to what extent Anti-Aircraft Command is prepared to meet the latest developments in aircraft and self-propelled projectiles.

The development of anti-aircraft weapons and associated techniques is being urgently pursued. We cannot, of course, give this particular need exclusive priority over equally important defence needs.

Will the Secretary of State give the House an assurance that at least immediate short-term measures will be given top priority to bring A.A. Command into some state of readiness, and will he also give an assurance that full account will be taken of the worst that any aggressor can bring against us in, say, the next six or 12 months?

I should be very loth to pick out any particular defence needed and give that a top or overriding priority over others, but no one is disputing for a moment the very great importance of this matter.

Will the Secretary of State bear in mind my own view that there should be the very highest standard of instruction in these new techniques, and that we will not be subjected to the same bad instruction that many of us had in 1939?

Is the right hon Gentleman aware that L.Z. and Mark VI balloons will fulfil an irreplaceable function in the defence of strategic points, and shipping, and that there is considerable apprehension regarding the state of preparedness of this form of defence?

I do not know whether we ought to discuss the technique of A.A. defence in Question and answer, but I can assure the House that I and my military advisers take this matter very seriously indeed.

Bca Pamphlet

8.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the Bureau of Current Affairs pamphlet entitled "Western Germany Today," written by Mr. Basil Davidson, has been examined by his Department, with a view to its use in the Army for educational purposes; and with what result.

The regular purchase, on behalf of the Army, of Bureau of Current Affairs publications ceased on 31st December, 1949. From that date the War Department has bought only those pamphlets or map reviews that it desires. The pamphlet, "Western Germany Today," has not been examined by the Department, and I am informed that there is no present requirement for another pamphlet on this subject.

Will the Secretary of State give an assurance that this pamphlet will not be used in any circumstances at all, in view of its extremely partisan nature?

As neither I nor my Department have examined it, I cannot give an assurance about it, but I am told that such a pamphlet is not at the moment required in any case.

Did the right hon. Gentleman study the public correspondence in which this Bureau took part earlier this year, and observe that the director saw no reason either for regret or apology when the Bureau published misstatements of fact?

Stores (Control)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for War what action, arising from disclosure of misconduct in his printing and photographic department, he has taken to prevent theft or irregular disposal of stores.

Fresh instructions have been issued for the control of stores held on the premises and for their issue for particular jobs. Inspections by audit staff, not associated with the establishment, will be carried out from time to time and without warning.

Class Z Reserve

13.

asked the Secretary of State for War what arrangements he has made to check the addresses, present medical categories and present occupations of men on the Class Z reserve.

The checking of the addresses and present occupations of men on the Class Z Reserve has been proceeding for some time. It is not intended to carry out a medical inspection before recall.

Will the right hon. Gentleman give the House some indication of how far this checking has got? Surely the checking of addresses and occupations is incomplete from his point of view unless it also includes some check on medical categories.

The checking of addresses has gone very far, and the checking of present occupations has not gone so far. The addresses have been done first, but it is not intended, even when these checks are complete, to examine medically before calling up. The checking of these addresses does, of course, make the process of calling up smoother and easier.

The right hon. Gentleman says that this has gone very far, but how far has it gone in percentages, and. when will it be complete in view of the great urgency of this matter?

Would the Secretary of State consider issuing some sort of statement explaining how, if an emergency arose, this reserve would be called up and what particular section would be called up first?

Does the Secretary of State think it possible to have a really full re-registration without some appeal going out from the Service authorities, asking men who have changed their addresses to re-register?

There is no reason to suppose that the present checking arrangements are not working well.

Tanks, Breconshire

14.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether his attention has been drawn to the extensive damage likely to ensue from the passage of exceptionally heavy tanks over roads and weak bridges in Breconshire; and what compensation will be made to the county council if this practice must be continued.

Normally, tracked vehicles are moved only on routes previously arranged with the Ministry of Transport and the local authorities. I understand that there were recently two incidents in Breconshire where tracked vehicles used routes for which such arrangements had not been made and that some damage was done to the roads. Steps are being taken to prevent a recurrence. Any damage caused by the movement of tracked vehicles is paid for b3, the War Department.

Appeals (Army Council Procedure)

15.

asked the Secretary of State for War the procedure by which the Army Council come to decisions on appeals submitted to them for arbitration.

Such appeals, together with a statement of the case, are considered by at least three members of the Army Council.

Is the Secretary of State in a position to overrule an otherwise unanimous decision of the Army Council?

I should have to have notice of that question, although no such occurrence has taken place in the case which I think the hon. and gallant Member has in mind.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the Secretary of State has one vote the same as everyone else on the Army Council?

I think it would be inappropriate to go into the procedure of the Army Council by question and answer. If the hon. and gallant Member wishes to go into the procedure, he had better put down a Question.

Can the right hon. Gentleman give an assurance that he has not exercised his power to overrule a majority decision of the Army Council in any personal case since he has held his office?

I would not attempt to give such an assurance on the Floor of the House, but in any case, the case which is being raised by the hon. and gallant Member who put down this Question did not arise during my period of office.

Good Conduct Medal

16.

asked the Secretary of State for War why the Good Conduct Medal awarded to soldiers only brings a bounty of £5, whereas sailors get £20 for the same award.

The rewards attaching to medals in the Army and Royal Navy differ in various respects, and the advantages are not all on one side. These differences are traditional, and it has never been considered that the arrangements in the two Services need be identical.

Will the right hon. Gentleman use his good offices to bring these two awards into line and, if possible, raise both to the present-day value of the pound?

Naturally, we should like all these awards to be raised. I would point out that the Army has the Meritorious Service Medal which the Navy has not got. It would be untrue to say that there is a material advantage on the side of the Navy.

Eviction, Colchester

17.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he personally gave approval for the eviction of Mrs. P. E. Hill, and her child, from 6c Block, Abbey Fields, Colchester, on 12th July: and, in view of the serious housing situation locally, what attempt was made to provide temporary hostel accommodation for this family until it became possible for them to obtain a home from civilian sources.

Yes, Sir. With regard to the second part of the Question, the housing of civilian families is a matter for the local authorities, who were approached on this case by the War Department on four separate occasions between 7th July, 1949, at the time when Mr. Hill was discharged from the Army, and 12th July, 1950, when we finally took possession of the quarter, in order that the family of a serving soldier might be accommodated.

Does the Minister realise that in Colchester, like other towns, it is absolutely impossible to get housing accommodation without going on the housing list, and that therefore there is no way in which an ex-soldier's family, evicted from military quarters, is able to get civilian accommodation? Would it not be possible for the War Office to arrange for some temporary hostel accommodation on War Office property until these people can be absorbed into civilian housing?

I think the hon. Member will recognise the necessity, after a full year's grace, of these quarters being used for the families of serving soldiers, and that families of ex-Service soldiers must leave them. From that point onward, it must be the responsibility of the local authority—although we draw the matter to their attention—to house ex-Service families.

Pay Offices

18.

asked the Secretary of State for War what change has occurred in the policy of using National Service men to perform duties previously performed by civil servants in Army Pay Offices; how many National Service men are still so employed; and to what medical categories is this employment limited.

There has been no change in the policy which I defined on 18th April. National Service men employed in Army Pay Offices are not limited to any particular medical categories. It is not the practice to make public the numbers of soldiers engaged in particular duties.

Does that mean that National Service men of the highest category are still being used to replace civil servants in these purely sedentary duties?

Not necessarily. It means that, in the opinion of myself and my advisers, it is necessary to build up an Army Pay Corps partly from National Service men, so that trained men are available against an emergency to man this Corps which has to be expanded very rapidly.

In view of the fact that, in war, men of high medical category are nor employed on these duties, what is the point in instructing National Service men in such duties in time of peace?

I am not saying that men of high medical category are being used for these duties. but if the hon. Member likes tc put down a question I will answer it. It does seem necessary, however, that National Service men should be used in this capacity.

Where National Service men have tc be used, will my right hon. Friend see that as many as possible come from the lower grades?

Polish Forces (War Gratuities)

3 and 4.

asked the Secretary of State for War (1) how many Poles of all ranks who fought under British command during the war did not pass through the Polish Resettlement Corps, but have made their homes in the United Kingdom; and what would be the total cost of paying war gratuities to all such persons;

(2) whether he is aware of the resentment caused by the fact that war gratuities are not paid to members of the Polish Forces who served under British command unless they became members of the Polish Resettlement Corps; and under what regulation and for what reason this decision was taken.

I have no information as to the number of members of the Polish Forces who have made their homes in the United Kingdom. No general obligation to pay war gratuities to members of the Polish Forces was undertaken by His Majesty's Government, but gratuities were paid to persons whose services were terminated under certain specified arrangements for their resettlement, whether or not these involved joining the Polish Resettlement Corps. Those who left the Forces in other circumstances were ineligible.

I cannot understand why the fact of joining the Polish Resettlement Corps should make a man eligible for war gratuity. Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that a large number of Poles who fought most gallantly during the war have not been given a war gratuity, simply because they have not joined the Polish Resettlement Corps but have found themselves jobs?

The hon. and gallant Gentleman must not suppose that joining the Polish Resettlement Corps was a necessary condition of receiving a gratuity. Quite a large number of Polish personnel who did not join the Resettlement Corps have, nevertheless, received a gratuity.

As the number is extremely small, would the right hon. Gentleman undertake to look into this matter again and review it?

Territorial Army (Volunteers)

11.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will now state what bounty is payable to men who volunteer to join the Territorial Army on completion of their full-time National Service.

I regret that it is not yet possible for me to make a statement upon this matter.

Does the right hon. Gentleman recognise the supreme importance of promoting and maintaining so far as possible the voluntary character of the Territorial Army, and will he, in these circumstances, do his best to ensure that these National Service volunteers are treated in exactly the same way as those who volunteer in the ordinary way, and that there is no financial difference whatsoever?

Does the Secretary of State recognise that this declaration about the bounty is at least two years overdue, and that the longer he delays it, the harder it is to make the Territorial Army organisation work?

I would not agree that it is two years overdue, but I think that now the first arrivals from National Service are coming in to the Territorials it is a matter of urgency.

Yes, but the recruiting period has been in the last two years. What is the reason for the delay?

It is obviously not a matter that my Department can settle on its own. The other Service Departments. the Treasury and the Government as a whole, are involved.

Does the Secretary of State realise that it is very difficult for commanding officers of Territorial units to persuade National Servicemen tt, volunteer, while doubt about this bounty exists?

I entirely agree that it is a matter of great urgency to make this announcement.

19.

asked the Secretary of State for War if, in view of the deteriorating international situation, he proposes to make any special efforts to improve voluntary recruitment for the Territorial Army.

It is the policy of my Department to do everything possible to encourage voluntary recruitment for the Territorial Army. I welcome this opportunity to stress again the very great need of the Territorial Army for the trained leaders of the late war, who are required to continue the training of the National Servicemen now joining the Territorial Army in considerable numbers.

Does the right hon. Gentleman's answer mean that the Government, in spite of the fact that voluntary recruitment has been very largely a failure, are only going to make the appeal which the right hon. Gentleman has made? Does not the Government realise that there is a deteriorating world situation?

I could not agree that voluntary recruitment to the Territorial Army has been a failure.

I could not agree. I emphasise that what is specially necessary for the Territorial Army is not so much large numbers, because they are being found by the men coming out of National Service, as trained leaders, officers and N.C.O.s, who can help us to keep up and improve the training of the National Service men.

Has the right hon. Gentleman considered, as another part of the same problem, the possibility of reforming the Home Guard?

Is my right hon. Friend aware that recruiting would be considerably assisted if he settled this bounty question within the next few days?

Does not the right hon. Gentleman agree that there is a very great shortage of trained instructors for National Service men in the Territorial Army, and does he not think that the complacency of his last answer ill becomes the present deterioration in the world situation?

I cannot agree that my answer was complacent. I repeat that it would be very unfair to the Territorial Army, and to all those connected with it, to say that voluntary recruiting has been a failure since the war.

Whilst it may be right to say that voluntary recruitment has not been a failure, surely the right hon. Gentleman must be aware that it is totally inadequate at present? Will he look into this matter personally, to see whether the equipment and conditions of service are really satisfactory to produce the right answer?

We regard voluntary recruitment to the Territorial Army, especially in the category I mentioned, as a matter of the greatest importance.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the magnificent review in Northern Ireland of the troops of the Territorial Army and Auxiliary Forces is proof that voluntary recruiting is not a failure in Northern Ireland?

In view of the very great shortage of trained instructors in the Territorial Army, and the Minister's replies today, I beg to give notice that I hope to raise this matter on the Adjournment.

Town And Country Planning

Inquiry, Dolgelley (Report)

20.

asked the Minister of Town and Country Planning the date on which his Department received from the chairman the report of the inquiry held at Dolgelley in November, 1949, into the War Office's requirements for land at Trawsfynydd, Merioneth; what were the recommendations in the report; what are the causes of the delay in announcing the result of the inquiry; and when he proposes to announce the result.

I received this report on 12th February, 1950. Such reports are never published. Following discussions on many points of detail between my Department, the War Office, the Ministry of Agriculture and the National Parks Commission, agreement has now been reached, and I shall be able to make an announcement next week.

Order No 728

21.

asked the Minister of Town and Country Planning how far he consulted local government associations before issuing Order No. 728, 1950.

No, Sir; some of them thought I was making a very rash experiment in freedom.

National Insurance

Widows' Pensions

24.

asked the Minister of National Insurance if she will introduce legislation whereby a widow who has been drawing a widow's pension, for which her first husband has paid contributions, may continue to draw this pension if she remarries.

No, Sir. It would be quite inconsistent with the principles of the National Insurance Scheme to pay widows' pensions to married women.

Assuming that the rate of contribution of the first husband was on the basis that the widow might not remarry for the remainder of her life, why should the State feel it is under no obligation to her if she does remarry? If the contribution had been paid to an assurance company, they would not refuse to continue her pension when she remarries.

The hon. Member misunderstands the principle. The widow's pension was intended to provide a substitute for the husband's earnings, and not to put a premium on second marriages.

31.

asked the Minister of National Insurance by what method the casual earnings of widows in receipt of pensions are ascertained.

On the basis of a declaration by the widow of the net amount earned in the previous pension pay week.

In view of the considerable misunderstanding which still exists in the country, would the right hon. Lady take this opportunity to affirm that there are cases, of which this is one, where she and the Government approve of a means test?

I think the hon. Gentleman is under a misapprehension. In calculating a widow's earnings allowances are made for insurance, fares, and for the cost of caring for the children. After that, of course, a widow is allowed to keep 30s. I could not agree with him that that is in the nature of a means test.

Would not the right hon. Lady agree that a means test was a test where the means were taken into consideration?

I took it for granted that the hon. Gentleman knew the intention behind this regulation. It is to ensure that these children, who had already been deprived of one parent, should not be deprived of the other parent for the whole of the week.

Would my right hon. Friend say if the particulars required in these cases differ in any essential from the particulars we all have to give to the Income Tax authorities.

32.

asked the Minister of National Insurance if she will give an estimate of the additional charge to the Exchequer of allowing to widows their full pension, irrespective of any money they may earn.

The amount directly saved by the earnings rule for widows is about £2 million a year. But the abolition of the rule would involve paying insurance benefits to widows in full-time work, and this would necessitate a complete review of the whole basis of widows' benefits under the National Insurance Act.

Old Age Pensions

26.

asked the Minister of National Insurance if she will state the total amount of money paid, and numbers in receipt of, old age pensions at the nearest convenient date; and what increase in National Insurance contributions per contributor would be necessary to cover the additional cost of granting an increase of 5s. per week to each old age pensioner.

As the reply is long and contains a number of figures, I will, with my hon. Friend's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Would my right hon. Friend make any comment on the suggestion in my Question?

If my hon. Friend looks at my answer he will see why it is impracticable. At the moment retirement pensions cost the country £273 million a year. If we carried out the hon. Gentleman's suggestion, it would mean another £55 million at once, rising to £80 million in 20 years' time.

The following is the reply:

The number of retirement and old age pensioners will, it is estimated, be about 4,625,000 during the current financial year. They will be paid about £273 million. If pensions were increased by 5s. a week the cost would be increased by £55 million at once, rising to £80 million in 20 years' time. None of these figures takes any account of payments or savings by way of National Assistance.

If the additional cost were distributed between the contributor and Exchequer as at present, the contribution payable by or in respect of the individual contributor would go up immediately by 8d. a week and the Exchequer contribution by nearly £25 million a year. But, as my predecessor has pointed out, it would not be practicable under the present insurance scheme to increase pensions without, at the same time, increasing other benefits. The actual cost would, therefore, be very much more.

28.

asked the Minister of National Insurance whether she will make the necessary arrangements now to enable old age pensioners to receive twice the printed amount on their Pension Order Form for the Christmas week, 1950, so as to allow these old people to purchase a few extras for the Christmas festivities.

No, Sir. This would not be a proper provision to be made under a contributory insurance scheme. Furthermore, the cost of the proposal would be about £5,250,000 in the first year, and to meet this an increase of contributions would be necessary as well as payments from the Exchequer.

Industrial Injuries Fund

27.

asked the Minister of National Insurance what estimate she made of the administrative cost of the Industrial Injuries Fund before its commencement.

National Assistance, Ayrshire

29.

asked the Minister of National Insurance how many widows residing in Ayrshire are in receipt of National Assistance.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that even if these numbers are not available, many widows find it extremely distasteful to make up a case for national assistance, and would she look at the position with a view to increasing the basic pension in order to avoid this state of affairs?

My hon. Friend will agree, if he visits the National Assistance office in his constituency, that these widows should not be afraid to go to the officials and explain their position. I hope this Question and answer will be brought to the attention of widows in my hon. Friend's constituency, and that in future they will obtain the assistance to which they are entitled.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that I do not disagree with that position at all, but we are finding there are cases of widows who will not apply because it is national assistance, and we have not rid the people of the feeling which I have described? Could we not do something about it?

If my hon. Friend listens to the answer I am giving to another Question I think he will be reassured.

30.

asked the Minister of National Insurance if she will state the percentage of National Assistance cases who are receiving the full amount of increase recently agreed to by this House.

The full increase is being paid in about 92 per cent. of Ile cases. The remaining 8 per cent. who, for one reason or another, did not qualify for the increase include such cases as those in local authority homes and those taken over from a local authority with allowances in excess of the new rates.

Is my right hon. Friend aware of a case which I have sent her from Dalry where the applicant got an increase of 3s. 6d. for two or three weeks, and, although the circumstances had not altered, it was reduced to Is.? Further, is she aware that I am assured from other Members on this side of the House that there are similar cases?

I cannot recall the details of every case, but I am quite prepared to look at that case again and explain why the reduction was made.

Employment

Bricklayers, Liverpool

33.

asked the Minister of Labour how many bricklayers were unemployed in Liverpool during the first week in July.

On 12th June, the latest date for which figures are available, 50 men with some experience of bricklaying in the Liverpool area were registered as unemployed. Few of these men are, however, fully skilled craftsmen, and acceptable as such to employers.

In view of the shortage of bricklayers in Liverpool and the extent of large-scale unemployment, would the right hon. Gentleman consider an adult training scheme for bricklayers?

Wherever training is necessary, we have endeavoured to follow it up, but in this instance the trouble is that so many people with a smattering of knowledge go and register themselves as bricklayers, and it is not until they go to an employer and get rejected that we find out the trouble.

Clothing Industry

35.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the extent of the present unemployment in the clothing industry; and what steps he proposes to take to ease the situation.

Owing to seasonal fluctuations, there has recently been some increase in the number of persons whose last employment was in certain sections of the clothing industry. The total number of unemployed in all groups of the clothing industry was 8,841 on 12th June. My local offices will assist those who apply to find suitable alternative employment.

Is the Minister aware that there is also considerable part-time unemployment now, and will he and his colleagues consider reducing the amount of Purchase Tax that is paid on general goods?

The hon. and gallant Gentleman ought to put that down to the appropriate Minister. Unemployment within the whole industry is a little less than 11 per cent., which is the national average over all industries.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that in the clothing industry unemployment does not exist in that portion of the trade which pays Purchase Tax?

Forces (Call-Up Arrangements)

36.

asked the Minister of Labour what steps he has recently taken to review the arrangements of His Majesty's Government for call-up to the Forces in the event of an emergency; whether he is satisfied that those arrangements are now complete; and whether decisions have yet been taken as to reserved occupations.

These arrangements, including those for reservation, are kept under constant review and are adjusted from time to time as circumstances change. They are ready to operate at any time.

Would the right hon. Gentleman consider giving to the public some indication in broad terms of these arrangements in order that the very large number of people affected may have some idea where their duty would lie in an emergency?

Because I consider it would not be in the public interest at this juncture.

For the benefit of hon. Members of this House who may be called up on reserve, can the Government say whether pairs would be provided?

County Durham

34.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the number of males and females unemployed in the county of Durham; the numbers signing on at each exchange; and what assurance he can give of alternative employment in the near future.

As the reply to the first part of the Question involves a table of figures I will, if I may, circulate it with the OFFICIAL REPORT. County Durham forms part of the North-East Coast Development Area and, as my hon. Friend is aware, all practicable steps are being taken to improve the opportunities for employment in these areas.

Following is the table:

NUMBERS OF PERSONS REGISTERED AS UNEMPLOYED AT 12TH JUNE, 1950, AT EACH EMPLOYMENT EXCHANGE IN THE COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Employment ExchangeMalesFemalesTotal
Barnard Castle 301040
Birtley184113297

*Bishop Auckland

40630436

*Blaydon-on-Tyne

272132404

*Chester-le-Street

38982471
Chopwell621375
Cockfield83487

*Consett

14085225

*Crook

23547282

*Darlington

226181407
Dunston-on-Tyne151151

*Durham

43031461
East Boldon5743100
Felling-on-Tyne28526311
Gainford538

*Gateshead

1,5054011,906
Hartlepool161124285
Haswell472774
Haverton Hill21123144

*Horden

142145287

*Houghton-le-Spring

447180627
Jarrow and Hebburn1,0266351,661
Lanchester671683
Middleton-in-Teesdale527
Pallion7183171,035
Seaham Harbour23494328
Sedgefield11415
Shildon8739126
South Shields1,8713832,254
Southwick-on-Weir22183304

*Spennymoor

34191432
Stanhope47653

*Stanley

377129506

*Stockton and Thornaby

450428878

*Sunderland

1,7975142,311
Washington Station7357130
West Hartlepool732257989
Wingate22492316
Wolsingham718
Total13,5664,94818,514

* Including Youth Employment Office.

MenWomen
Number of unemployed, registered as fit for light labouring work4,24410
Number of registered disabled3,446139

Shipbuilding, Scotland

37.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the extent of present unemployment or short-time in the shipbuilding industry in Scotland.

On 12th June, the latest date for which figures are available, 3,292 workers whose last employment was in the shipbuilding and ship-repairing industry were registered as unemployed in Scotland, including 231 who were only temporarily stopped from their employment. Statistics are not available of the number of workpeople on short-time but not registered as unemployed.

Would my right hon. Friend consider consulting with the President of the Board of Trade with a view to providing alternative employment where unemployment has arisen in the shipbuilding yards, in order to avoid the unemployment we had in the years before the war?

As has been previously reported to the House, these negotiations with the President of the Board of Trade are and have been continuing, and efforts are made to attract heavy industry into these areas. We can get light industries, but what are required are heavy industries.

As the right hon. Gentleman has the figures for the various districts of Scotland, can he say how many relate to the city of Aberdeen?

I am not the memory man. If the hon. and learned Gentleman puts that Question down I will give an answer.

Scotland

House-Building, Edinburgh

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware of the movement recently begun in the city of Edinburgh for the self-building of houses by those who have no near expectation of housing accommodation; and what steps he is taking to encourage such individual enterprise.

I will be glad to consider applications to build houses from private persons or housing associations if the people for whom the houses are intended fall within the categories described in my statement of 29th March.

Would the Secretary of State for Scotland have it in mind that in days gone by quite a large number of houses were built by people for their own occupation?

I am anxious to encourage anyone who has the facilities for building houses, if the houses are intended for people among whom the greatest need is felt.

Is not the fact that a man is willing to build his own house an indication of his need?

Does the right hon. Gentleman think that a police officer has more need of a provided house than a clerk, who is able to build one?

I could not answer that question without examining the conditions of the clerk and of the policeman.

Barley

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the annual Scottish production of barley in 1940, 1942, 1944, 1946 and 1948; and what proportion was bought for distilling.

The production of barley in Scotland in the years referred to was respectively 104,000 tons, 159,000 tons, 214,000 tons, 201,000 tons and 182,000 tons. Information is not available as to the proportion of those crops bought for distilling.

Is it not a fact that the production of barley is falling steeply in Scotland, and are the Government taking steps to remedy that unfortunate situation?

I agree that the position of the barley acreage in Scotland must be constantly attended to, but I could not agree that it is falling steeply.

Would the right hon. Gentleman apply to distilling the same principles of need and willingness as he has applied to housing?

Is there not enough whisky in the world without having to increase it?

Would the right hon. Gentleman take steps to correct the ignorance of the hon. Member for Ealing, West (Mr. J. Hudson) of the fact that the demand for this important Scottish commodity is universal, and would be greater if the Government would permit it?

Pier, Orkney

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland why the pier on the island of South Fara in Orkney is excluded from the list of essential piers given in the annexe to Command Paper No. 7976.

No representations about landing facilities on the small island of South Fara have been made either to the Highlands Advisory Panel or myself. Should any representations be made I would, of course, consider them on their merits.

Can the Secretary of State say that it is his intention that every inhabited island should have a pier? As South Fara has some 20 inhabitants, does he not agree that its pier is essential?

I do not think I quite accept the hon. Gentleman's generalisation. It would be very expensive indeed. I would be glad to consider any case on its merits.

Highland Advisory Panel

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will make a further statement on the future of the Highland Panel.

I have been considering the position of the Highland Advisory Panel in consequence of the publication of the programme of Highland development, but I do not propose to make any changes immediately.

Is this a change in policy? Could the right hon. Gentleman indicate whether that is a change from his statement made after Whitsun? Does it mean that at some future time the function of the Highland Panel will be changed, or is that no longer his policy?

No, Sir, there is no change in policy. I would consult the Highland Panel if I were contemplating a change.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that unless action is taken under recommendations already made by the Panel, the people of the Highlands of Scotland will be most disappointed and will feel that such bodies are no longer useful?

The hon. Gentleman knows that, under this Government, action has taken place.

Physical Education And Training

45.

asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of our recent failure in international games, he will consider allocating to the Minister of Education or other new Minister, responsibility for the encouragement and sponsoring of post-school training in athletics, team games, physical culture and sports generally.

My right hon. Friend the Minister of Education, through his administration of the Education Act and the Physical Training and Recreation Act, is already responsible for the encouragement of physical education and training. To this end he supports the youth organisations, the Central Council of Physical Recreation and the national sports organisations, and makes financial assistance available for the provision of playing spaces and facilities. His first objective, however, is the development to the full of each person's physical potentialities and not the fostering of success at competitive games, though I would hope that this might follow.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that, despite those efforts, our recent defeats in soccer, cricket, tennis, golf and boxing, and the rest, have reduced our national morale and our international prestige in sport very seriously indeed? Will he not reconsider whether it would not be another form of social service if we were to sponsor and finance promising athletes after their school days, adult sporting organisations, and games generally?

I should have thought it was much more important to raise the general standard of physical culture and athletics than to cultivate specialism.

Are we to take it from his reply that the Prime Minister does not share the predilections of the right hon. Lady the Minister of National Insurance for the rule of law?

Is it not a fact that if the world likes anything better than a good winner, it is a good loser?

Why did the hen. Gentleman who asked this Question refer to the Minister of Education as a "new Minister"?

Would the Prime Minister consider suggesting to the M.C.C. a new professional captain to go to Australia, so that we might get something done in the cricket world?

Would the right hon. Gentleman consider a scheme for boxing under what might be called "the Summerskill rules"?

Korea (Commonwealth Consultations)

46.

asked the Prime Minister what representations he has received from Mr. Nehru on the war in Korea.

His Majesty's Government are in constant consultation with all Commonwealth Governments on questions concerned with the Korean situation, but it would be contrary to the existing practice to reveal the nature of confidential communications which puss with Commonwealth Governments.

In view of the intense interest with which these Notes have been followed right throughout the world, can the Prime Minister not say something to assure us that he is doing his best to support Mr. Nehru in his efforts?

His Majesty's Government are doing their best to support the United Nations.

In view of the publication of this correspondence, will the Prime Minister make it absolutely clear that I understand him aright, that two resolutions were passed by the Security Council, on 25th and 27th June and that His Majesty's Government intend to stand by those resolutions and have no intention of altering their position in that respect at all?

Timber, Dry Rot (Research)

47.

asked the Lord President of the Council if he will appoint a special commission to investigate the causes and cures in all forms of dry rot and worm rot in structures and produce proposals of administrative measures to prevent and check further spread of this epidemic.

The Forest Products Research Laboratory of the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research is conducting research on the subjects of dry rot and the insects that attack timber. Much information has been obtained and this is published in leaflets, books and articles in the technical and general Press; a film has been completed and is now in circulation and a special travelling exhibition is visiting 20 towns in the course of the next eight months. Every endeavour is thus being made to bring information on the prevention and cure of dry rot and insect attack to the attention of builders, architects, housing authorities and householders. In these circumstances, I do not think that a special commission is necessary.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to see that this exhibition makes it quite clear that the very prevalent idea that it is the "Black Watch Beetle" that attacks wood is quite wrong?

Atomic Explosion, After-Effects (Inquiry)

48.

asked the Lord President of the Council if the Government have taken adequate steps to ascertain the more distant after-effects of the atom bomb exploded over Japan in 1945, particularly in regard to biological aftereffects; whether such findings can now be published; or whether he will consider sending a mission from the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research to Japan.

There is an American scientific mission in Japan studying this subject, And the information it collects is available to His Majesty's Government. Some of it has already been published in technical journals.

National Savings

Savings (Cost-Of-Living Index)

49.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will produce a scheme whereby payment of the first £500 invested in National Savings Certificates shall be based on the cost-of-living index so as to safeguard small investors against loss of real capital through depreciation of the pound sterling and to encourage the wage earners in their support of the National Savings Movement.

Is it not a great scandal that the British Government should be satisfied to pay 16s. in the pound to men and women who have saved week by week to assist the National Savings Movement?

When there is a change in the value of money, it affects all the citizens.

Sterling (Purchasing Power)

50.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the purchasing power of the pound sterling at lst July, as compared with 20s. in 1945.

About 16s. in mid-May, the latest date for which figures are available.

Can the Chancellor give the House any idea of when he anticipates that the pound will start to recover its value instead of continually losing it?

I cannot now make a general statement on the economic position. I made one quite recently.

Does not the Chancellor know that the figures which he has given to the House are an appalling indictment of the Government?

Will the Chancellor say whether the increase in cost affects Ministers in respect of their free cars in the same way as it affects private motorists?

Dollar Earnings

51.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the United Kingdom's dollar earnings for 1950 so far are sufficient to make up for the smaller allocation of Marshall Aid to be received.

I gave figures on 5th July for net earnings of gold and dollars in the first six months of 1950. I do not know what E.R.P. aid will be allocated to us in the future.

The figures which the Chancellor gave to us recently were for the whole sterling area. Is the Chancellor aware that what the House wants to know is what are the United Kingdom earnings in dollars? Surely he must have the E.C.A. figures? Can he tell the House whether the country is better off today than it was last year with regard to its net dollar earnings?

I have told the hon. Member three times now that the detailed figures are not yet available and that when they are, they will be published.

Is the Chancellor aware that he keeps giving the same answer that we shall have the figures in due course, and that that will be in six months' time, when all the interest will have gone from the question?

Ten-Shilling Notes

54.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he is aware of the poor condition of many 10s. notes now in circulation; and if he will state the average life expected of these notes.

Notes handed in to banks which are found to be unfit for circulation are withdrawn, but it is always possible for notes to pass from hand to hand for some time before reaching the banks. The average life of a 10s. note is less than one year.

How does that average life compare with the average life of the pound note? Has not the Chancellor noticed that many more very filthy 10s. notes come into his hands than pound notes?

Income Tax

55.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the Inland Revenue have authority to grant an allowance for Income Tax purposes in respect of wear and tear of clothing which is experienced by people who have artificial limbs.

Fiduciary Issue (Announcement)

56.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the cause of the delay in announcing to the House the decision made on 27th June to increase the fiduciary issue by £50,000,000; and if, in future, he will revert to the pre-war practice of making an oral announcement of any such increase.

There was no delay, as the announcement was made on 28th June in my reply to a Written Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Stockton-on-Tees (Mr. Chetwynd). I see no need for an oral announcement in such cases.

As the whole idea when the Act was passed in 1928 was i:hat an immediate announcement should be made so that, if necessary, the Opposition could challenge the decision on grounds of urgent definite public importance, does the Chancellor think that the practice should be restored, having regard to the importance of both inflationary and deflationary movements on the part of the Bank of England?

No, Sir. The present practice has been followed since 1941, and it is quite satisfactory.

Does the Chancellor of the Exchequer realise that the Socialist Government can only implement their General Election promises by means of the printing press, by printing pieces of paper which are continually going down in purchasing power?

Home-Grown Tobacco (Duty)

57.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why he is proposing to charge Duty on home-grown commercial tobacco.

All tobacco grown commercially in the United Kingdom has been subject to Excise Duty since 1910.

Does the Chancellor realise that if he gave some concession to home grown commercial tobacco it would save us a tremendous amount of dollars in that we should not require to import so much tobacco?

I do not believe that the best use for the land of this country is growing commercial tobacco.

Is the right hon. and learned Gentleman aware that there is at the moment a misunderstanding between the home growers and his Department, in particular with reference to shredding, and will he take steps to clear this up so that the pursuit of revenue will not hinder a very harmless—indeed, useful—hobby?

I think that the home growers of tobacco are trying to get advantages which are not due to them.

Discriminatory Trade Practices

58.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the official pronouncement made by Sir Sidney Caine, British Treasury representative in the United States, that the United States and Britain should lead the way in ending discriminatory trade practices, represents the policy of His Majesty's Government.

The hon. Member is presumably referring to a much abbreviated newspaper report of an address given by Sir Sydney Caine at a conference on American foreign policy held at an American University in which he referred to the removal, as soon as circumstances permit, of various kinds of discriminatory trade practices which are liable to lead to international friction, as one of the general objectives of international trade policy which can contribute to world security. This is, of course, in accordance with the continuing policy of His Majesty's Government to promote a return to multilateral trade throughout the world.

Does that answer mean that His Majesty's Government still stand by the principle of Imperial preference?

Pensioners, Dollar Area

59.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that long-service pensioners of the fighting Services now residing in the dollar area have to pay a higher rate of taxation on their pensions since devaluation; and whether he will alter the method of computation which produces this result.

I assume the hon. Member is referring to a case in which the pensioner has income from dollar sources in addition to his pension. Under present law a non-resident Service pensioner, like non-resident British subjects in general, pays tax on his United Kingdom income at the effective rate appropriate to his total income, which is necessarily and properly computed in terms of sterling. I cannot agree that devaluation affords any ground for altering the law.

Does not the right hon. and learned Gentleman agree that these people have to pay more tax and, therefore, have less pension to enjoy because they have to pay more tax, and that they also have less pension to enjoy by reason of devaluation? Does he not think that this is very unfair, and ought he not to look into it again?

No, Sir. It has been looked into, but it is the general law which is applicable not only to pensioners but to everybody abroad, and when the value of money alters, one still has to make Income Tax calculations in sterling and not in some foreign currency.

War Damage Compensation

60.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the total amount of war damage compensation claimed; the total amount agreed to; and the amounts so far paid, respectively, by the War Damage Commission for incidents in the county borough of West Ham, giving late claimants separately.

Service Personnel, Germany (Purchases)

62.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why purchases made by families of Service personnel in the British Army of the Rhine of consumer goods in the United Kingdom may only be paid for from accounts accrued from pay and allowances earned during their current terms of service in the British Army of the Rhine; where else this rule applies; and if he will end this interference in the use of personal incomes.

The chief reason is because goods so exported can be sold abroad. This may result in the people concerned getting more than a fair share of foreign exchange and our normal export trade suffering corresponding loss. The arrangements apply to Service personnel who are serving anywhere outside the scheduled territories. Additional funds are allowed for settling-in expenses and for other exceptional circumstances.

Cannot the Chancellor trust the families of British Servicemen a little more than that? Why must he be so suspicious about them?

Because we were conscious of a very great deal of abuse, especially in connection with the export of drinks and tobacco.

Penrhyn Estate (Death Duties)

63.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will indicate the precise area of land in the county of Caernarvon belonging to the trustees of the Penrhyn estate which has been offered to the Treasury in settlement of Death Duties.

This offer is the subject of negotiations now proceeding, and I cannot yet say precisely what area the transaction will finally cover.

Is the Chancellor aware that in these areas of North Wales there is very considerable indignation that the Chancellor should be taking over this land, and that the people are worried lest it should mean an extension of nationalisation without consulting the workers in an industry?

I am sure that they are not at all worried, but would rather have a good landlord.

Has the Chancellor been to this district recently, and does he really understand the innovation?

Sterling Balances

67.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the amount of sterling balances to be released to members of the European Payments Union under Article 39 of the Agreement of 7th July, 1950.

The total amount of sterling balances which could be used under paragraph 39 is of the order of £200 million. The actual amount so used will depend on the extent to which the holders are in deficit with the Union and will certainly be very much less. Any such use of sterling balances is covered by the Economic Co-operation Administration's guarantee to us against gold losses.

Private Premises (Power Of Entry)

52.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the total number of officials authorised to carry out inspections and investigations in private houses and premises without a search warrant at 15th July.

The current number of officials who may exercise statutory powers to enter private houses, used exclusively as such, is 4,170; of whom 3,154 are officers of the Inland Revenue—mainly valuers; 996 are assessors acting for the War Damage Commission, and 20 are members or officers of the Board of Control who, under Section 206 (2) of the Lunacy Act of 1890, have power to en ter a private house to visit a person apparently detained as a lunatic without an order or certificate.

Can the right hon. and learned Gentleman say if that figure includes all other private premises?

Does not the right hon. and learned Gentleman agree that that is 4,170 too many?

Considering that the majority of these powers have existed since 1836, I do not think that they have been abused.

Civil Service

Industrial Workers (Leave)

65.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will now reconsider the application of industrial civil servants for 12 days annual leave.

This application has been tabled as an item of new business for discussion at the next meeting of the Joint Co-ordinating Committee for Government Industrial Establishments on 27th July. I shall, of course, consider it in the light of the arguments then advanced.

Does that reply mean that the Chancellor of the Exchequer has not made up his mind at this moment to reject the application?

It means that I shall deal with this in the proper way and not by question and answer in the House.

Temporary Clerks (Pay)

66.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations he has received from the Civil Service Clerical Association urging that consideration should be given to raising the minimum wages of male temporary clerks, grade III, in London, the larger towns excluding London, and elsewhere; and what reply he has made.