asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will make a statement about the future of the National Youth Orchestra.

I understand that the Executive Committee of the Council responsible for the Orchestra met on 3rd December and decided to prepare an application for grant-aid from the Department, based on estimates of costs over the next five years. I expect to receive this in January.

Is it not time that we all decided whether we want to see this outstanding school for young musicians continue as successfully as it has done in the past? Is the hon. Lady aware that what this organisation now needs is either a grant or a building?

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the thought he has expressed. We are determined that we shall not lose this wonderful effort, but as we have not yet even received the official application, the hon. Gentleman can hardly expect me to give a further answer.

The hon. Lady has expressed sympathy for the orchestra, but has she yet fixed it up with the Treasury?

I ask the hon. Lady to remember that I am optimistic and am a good trier. I do not think that she should be too depressed about it.