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Motion made, and Question proposed,
That no person not being a member of the Committee shall be present during any of the proceedings of the Committee unless required by the Committee to be present for the purposes of their inquiry:—[The Prime Minister.]
Amendment proposed, to leave out from 'That' to end of the Question and add instead thereof,
"the Committee shall conduct its proceedings in public:".—[Mr. Skinner.]
Question put, That the amendment be made:—
The House divided: Ayes 35, Noes 256.
| English, Michael | Loveridge, John | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Faulds, Andrew | Luard, Evan | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) |
| Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | McAdden, Sir Stephen | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | McCartney, Hugh | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Ford, Ben | McElhone, Frank | Shersby, Michael |
| Fox, Marcus | Macfarlane, Nell | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Freud, Clement | MacGregor, John | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Fry, Peter | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Stlverman, Julius |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Maclennan, Robert | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) | McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Small, William |
| Ginsburg, David | Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Golding, John | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Speed, Keith |
| Goodhew, Victor | Mather, Carol | Spence, John |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Mawby, Ray | Spicer, Jim (W Dorset) |
| Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Gray, Hamish | Mayhew, Patrick | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Grieve, Percy | Mendelson, John | Stallard, A. W. |
| Grimond, Rt Hon J. | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Grist, Ian | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Stanley, John |
| Grylls, Michael | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Hall, Sir John | Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) | Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) |
| Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Miscampbell, Norman | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Molyneaux, James | Stoddart, David |
| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Montgomery, Fergus | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Havers, Sir Michael | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Hayhoe, Barney | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Tebbit, Norman |
| Heseltine, Michael | Morgan, Geraint | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Holland, Philip | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Thatcher Rt Hon Margaret |
| Hooson Emlyn | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Thompson, George |
| Horam, John | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) |
| Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | ||
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Neave, Airey | Tomlinson, John |
| Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H) | Nelson, Anthony | Torney, Tom |
| Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | Neubert Michael | Urwin, T. W. |
| Huckfield, Les | Newton, Tony | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Hughes, Rt Hon c. (Anglesey) | Oakes Gordon | Viggers, Peter |
| Hunt, John (Bromley) | Onslow, Cranley | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Hunter, Adam | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Wakeham, John |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | Paisley, Rev Ian | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| James, David | Palmer, Arthur | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Janner, Greville | Park, George | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&Wdf'd) | Parker, John | Wall, Patrick |
| Jessel, Toby | Parkinson, Cecil | Ward, Michael |
| John, Brynmor | Pavitt, Laurie | Watkins, David |
| Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Perry, Ernest | Watkinson, John |
| Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Peyton, Rt Hon John | Watt, Hamish |
| Judd, Frank | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Kaufman, Gerald | Radice, Giles | Wells, John |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) | White, Frank R. (Bury) |
| King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Rees-Davies, W. R. | White, James (Pollock) |
| Knight, Mrs Jill | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Whitlock, William |
| Knox, David | Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Lamborn, Harry | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Lamont, Norman | Roberts, (Michael (Cardiff NW) | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington) |
| Lawson, Nigel | Roderick, Caerwyn | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Le Marchant, Spencer | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Roper, John | Woodall, Alec |
| Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | |
| Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
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| Lipton, Marcus | Rowlands, Ted | Mr. Joseph Harper and |
| Lloyd, Ian | Ryman, John | Mr. Ted Graham. |
| Lomas, Kenneth |
Question accordingly negatived.
Mr. Speaker
Before I put the next Question, I should like to say to the House that I accepted the last amendment with the hon. Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner) standing in the Aisle. I want the House to know that in future I shall not accept any motions or amendments proposed unless hon. Members are standing in their places.
Main Question put and agreed to.
Ordered,
That no person not being a member of the Committee shall be present during any of the proceedings of the Committee unless required by the Committee to be present for the purposes of their inquiry.
Motion made, and Question put,
'That no witness summoned to appear before the Committee shall claim Crown Privilege as a justification for refusing to answer questions asked by the Committee:'.—[Mr. Maxwell-Hyslop.]
The House divided: Ayes 45. Noes 143.
Division No. 358.]
| AYES
| 10.13 p.m.
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| Allaun, Frank | Lamond, James | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Lawrence, Ivan | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Canavan, Dennis | Lee, John | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) |
| Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Litterick, Tom | Thompson, George |
| Clemitson, Ivor | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Tierney, Sydney |
| Drayson, Burnaby | Maynard, Miss Joan | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Watt, Hamish |
| Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Welsh, Andrew |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Paisley, Rev Ian | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) | Penhaligon, David | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Hatton, Frank | Reid, George | Woof, Robert |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Richardson, Miss Jo | |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
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| Jessel, Toby | Rooker, J. W. | Mr. Arthur Lewis and |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | Mr. Robin Maxwell-Hyslop |
| Kerr, Russell |
NOES
| ||
| Anderson, Donald | Hooson, Emlyn | Parker, John |
| Archer, Peter | Horam, John | Parry, Robert |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H) | Pavitt, Laurie |
| Ashton, Joe | Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | Perry, Ernest |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Huckfield, Les | Price, C. (Lewisham W) |
| Bates, Alf | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Radice, Giles |
| Beith, A. J. | Hunter, Adam | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Hutchison, Michael Clark | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) | Robinson, Geoffrey |
| Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) | Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | Roderick, Caerwyn |
| Campbell, Ian | James, David | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) |
| Carlisle, Mark | Janner, Greville | Roper, John |
| Cartwright, John | John, Brynmor | Rowlands, Ted |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Ryman, John |
| Cohen, Stanley | Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) |
| Coleman, Donald | Judd, Frank | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) |
| Concannon, J. D. | Kaufman, Gerald | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Conlan, Bernard | Lamborn, Harry | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Corbett, Robin | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Silverman, Julius |
| Cryer, Bob | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Lipton, Marcus | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Dalyell, Tarn | Lomas, Kenneth | Stallard, A. W. |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Luard, Evan | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Deakins, Eric | McCartney, Hugh | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | McElhone, Frank | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) |
| Dell, Rt Hon Edmund | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Tomlinson, John |
| Doig, Peter | Maclennan, Robert | Torney, Tom |
| Dormand, J. D. | Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Urwin, T. W. |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | Mawby, Ray | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| English, Michael | Mikardo, Ian | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Ward, Michael |
| Faulds, Andrew | Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) | Watkins, David |
| Ford, Ben | Miscampbell, Norman | Watkinson, John |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Molloy, William | White, Frank R. (Bury) |
| Freud, Clement | Morgan, Geraint | White, James (Pollock) |
| Ginsburg, David | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Whitlock, William |
| Golding, John | Morris, Charles R, (Openshaw) | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Graham, Ted | Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington) |
| Gray, Hamish | Neubert, Michael | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Grimond, Rt Hon J. | Oakes, Gordon | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Hamilton, James (Sothwell) | Ogden, Eric | Woodall, Alec |
| Harper, Joseph | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | |
| Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David | TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
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| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Palmer, Arthur | Mr. John Ellis and |
| Hooley, Frank | Park, George | Mr. David Stoddart. |
Question accordingly negatived.
Motion made, and Question put,
'That the Committee shall at their discretion sit in public if they consider that at any stage of the inquiry the requirements of justice
Division No. 359.]
| AYES
| [10.23 p.m.
|
| Abse, Leo | Bean, R. E. | Canavan, Dennis |
| Allaun, Frank | Bidwell, Sydney | Clemitson, Ivor |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Corbett, Robin |
or of the public interest requires them to do so notwithstanding any of the foregoing:'.— [ Mr. David Steel.]
The House divided: Ayes 63. Noes 219.
| Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Litterick, Tom | Spearing, Nigel |
| English, Michael | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) | McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) |
| Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | Maynard, Miss Joan | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Mikardo, Ian | Thompson, George |
| Garrell, W. E. (Wallsend) | Ogden, Eric | Tierney, Sydney |
| Grimond, Rt Hon J. | Paisley, Rev Ian | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Hatton, Frank | Parry, Robert | Watt, Hamish |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Pavitt, Laurie | Welsh, Andrew |
| Hooley, Frank | Penhaligon, David | Whitlock, William |
| Hooson, Emlyn | Reid, George | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | Richardson, Miss Jo | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Hunt, John (Bromley) | Robinson, Geoffrey | Woof, Robert |
| Kerr, Russell | Rooker, J. W. | |
| Lamond, James | Sedgemore, Brian | TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
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| Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) | Mr. A. J. Beith and |
| Lee, John | Skinner, Dennis | Mr. Stephen Ross. |
| Lewis, Arthur (Newham N) |
NOES
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| Anderson, Donald | Fry, Peter | Mayhew, Patrick |
| Archer, Peter | Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) | Mendelson, John |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Ginsburg, David | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce |
| Arnold, Tom | Golding, John | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) |
| Ashton, Joe | Goodhew, Victor | Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Miscampbell, Norman |
| Baker, Kenneth | Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) | Molyneaux, James |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Gray, Hamish | Moore, John (Croydon C) |
| Bates, Alf | Grieve, Percy | More, Jasper (Ludlow) |
| Bennell, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Grist, Ian | Morgan, Geraint |
| Benyon, W. | Grylls, Michael | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Hall, Sir John | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) |
| Bitten, John | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Harper, Joseph | Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Neave, Airey |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Nelson, Anthony |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, C. | Havers, Sir Michael | Neubert, Michael |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Hayhoe, Barney | Oakes, Gordon |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Holland, Philip | Onslow, Cranley |
| Buck, Antony | Horam, John | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Budgen, Nick | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H) | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Huckfield, Les | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Palmer, Arthur |
| Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) | Hunter, Adam | Park, George |
| Campbell, Ian | Hutchison, Michael Clark | Parker, John |
| Carlisle, Mark | Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) | Perry, Ernest |
| Cartwright, John | Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | Peyton, Rt Hon John |
| Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | James, David | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Janner, Greville | Radice, Giles |
| Cockcrott, John | Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael | Jessel, Toby | Rees-Davies, W. R. |
| Cohen, Stanley | John, Brynmor | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) |
| Coleman, Donald | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Concannon, J. D. | Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Conlan, Bernard | Judd, Frank | Roberta, Wyn (Conway) |
| Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Kaufman, Gerald | Roderick, Caerwyn |
| Cope, John | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) |
| Corrie, John | King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Roper, John |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Knox, David | Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) |
| Cryer, Bob | Lamborn, Harry | Rowlands, Ted |
| Dalyell, Tarn | Lamont, Norman | Ryman, John |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Lawrence, Ivan | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Deakins, Eric | Lawson, Nigel | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Le Marchant, Spencer | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) |
| Dean, Paul (N Somerset) | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Shersby, Michael |
| de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Dell, Rt Hon Edmund | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Lipton, Marcus | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Doig, Peter | Lloyd, Ian | Silverman, Julius |
| Dormand, J. D. | Lomas, Kenneth | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Loveridge, John | Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Drayson, Burnaby | Luard, Evan | Speed, Keith |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Spence, John |
| Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | McCartney, Hugh | Spicer, Jim (W Dorset) |
| Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | McElhone, Frank | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Emery, Peter | Macfarlane, Nell | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Faulds, Andrew | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Stallard, A. W. |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | MacGregor, John | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Stanley, John |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Maclennan, Robert | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Stoddart, David |
| Ford, Ben | Mather, Carol | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Mawby, Ray | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Freud, Clement | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Tebbit, Norman |
| Temple-Morris, Peter | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Tomlinson, John | Wall, Patrick | Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington) |
| Torney, Tom | Ward, Michael | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Urwin, T. W. | Watkins, David | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Vaughan, Dr Gerard | Watkinson, John | Woodall, Alec |
| Viggers, Peter | Weatherill, Bernard | |
| Wakeham, John | Wells, John | TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
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| Walder, David (Clitheroe) | White, Frank R. (Bury) | Mr. John Ellis and |
| Walker, Harold (Doncaster) | White, James (Pollok) | Mr. Ted Graham. |
| Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
Question accordingly negatived.
|
Ordered,
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| That these Orders be Standing Orders of the House until the end of this Parliament.—[The Prime Minister.] |