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Volume 963: debated on Monday 19 February 1979

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday 19 February 1979

Industry

Special Steels

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what recent discussions have taken place in Brussels about the dumping of special steels in the United Kingdom from other European Economic Community States.

The concept of dumping between member States is not recognised by the Common Market treaties but discussions about alleged discriminatory pricing and about overproduction of special steels are continuing. My right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State, is awaiting advice from the industry before replying to the further letter he received from Commissioner Davignon last month.

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether his Department has studied the consultant's report to the National Economic Development Council about the extent of unfair competition against the special steel industry of Sheffield; and whether he will now make a statement on this report and any consequent representations that he has made to Commissioner Davignon of the Commission of the EEC.

The report, which was made last August, was concerned with the reasons why imports are taking a larger share of the domestic market for certain special steels. It was carefully studied by my Department which is working closely with the NEDO iron and steel sector working party about the issues it raises. My right hon. Friend is also in touch with Commissioner Davignon, who has responded sympathetically to his request for measures to secure a more orderly Community market for these products. We have offered Government help to the Sheffield industry under our various schemes for encouraging industrial investment.

Industrial Strategy

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will make a statement on the progress of the industrial strategy.

The Government are pleased with progress on the industrial strategy to date. At the NEDC meeting on 7 February, all parties to the industrial strategy reaffirmed their commitment to continuation of the tripartite approach to halting and reversing our industrial decline. The Government welcome this confirmation of support for the industrial strategy and regret the Opposition's failure to understand its importance to the CBI and TUC.

British Leyland

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what are the current financial performance requirements for British Leyland.

The National Enterprise Board's financial duty in relation to British Leyland is to secure in 1981 a rate of return, before interest and taxation, of 10 per cent. on the capital employed in British Leyland. In the years prior to 1981 the National Enterprise Board is required to maintain progress towards that objective.

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will seek a meeting with the chairman of British Leyland.

I refer to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Romford (Mr. Neubert) earlier today.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what estimates his Department has made of the number of people likely to be employed in each of the next five years in British Leyland.

None. Manpower levels are a matter for the company to determine from time to time after consultation as appropriate with employee representatives.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will make a statement on future employment in British Leyland in the light of its corporate plan.

We have not yet received BL's latest corporate plan or the NEB's recommendations. My right hon. Friend hopes to be in a position before the Easter Recess to place in the Library the NEB's report to the House on BL.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry when he expects to meet the chief executive of British Leyland.

My right hon. Friend meets the chairman and chief executive of British Leyland frequently.

Textile Industry (Lancashire)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many factories in the Lancashire textile industry were closed; and how many new factories were opened during 1978.

In the combined area of Lancashire and Greater Manchester, 19 textile factories closed in 1978, and according to the best available information, four were opened.

International Computers Limited

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what public money has been made available to International Computers Ltd. to facilitate its expansion in South Africa.

Job Creation

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what further steps he proposes to encourage in dustrialists to generate new jobs in industry in the United Kingdom; and if he will make a statement.

The Government will continue to make full use of appropriate fiscal incentives, of direct financial assistance and of the National Enterprise Board and the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland Development Agencies.

Investment

25.

asked the Secretary of of State for Industry if he is satisfied that industry is able to raise funds for expansion on sufficiently attractive terms to stimulate new investment.

I am satisfied that the Government's measures of direct support for industry are making a substantial contribution to stimulating new investment.

Industrial Output

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what is his estimate of the loss of output throughout British industry in January, as a result of the various strikes and industrial disputes experienced throughout Great Britain in that month.

On the basis of early reports from industry it is estimated that about 10 per cent. of normal manufacturing production may have been lost in January as a result of the transport dispute. Some of the loss is likely to be made good with the return to normal conditions. It is not thought that any other dispute in January has significantly affected manufacturing production as a whole.

British Steel Corporation (Corporate Plan)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will publish that part of the British Steel Corporation's corporate plan which relates to future employment.

I refer the hon. Member to the Corporation's planning document "Prospects for Steel" which was circulated to Members of Parliament on 26 April 1978.

Sector Working Parties (Performance)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many sector working parties last year achieved the output objectives, home-market objectives and overseas market penetration goals that they set themselves and how many failed to do so; how many have revised these targets downwards for the coming year; and what purpose has been achieved by the setting of these targets.

In general the sector working parties' objectives were set in terms of the performance which might be possible by 1980 or by later years, in accordance with the essentially long-term nature of the strategy. They are not set annually for periods one year ahead. These objectives are intended to be ambitious yet realistic, and to provide a framework within which sectoral strategies can be developed. As the international and macro-economic environment within which SWPs operate changes and performance to date is measured, SWPs are free to reassess and modify the objectives previously adopted. In their latest reports seven SWPs have done so, five downward and two upward.

Sir Anthony Part

asked the Secretary of State for Industry why, in the light of the fact that his Department is the most important customer of Lucas Aerospace, Sir Anthony Part was allowed to join the board of that company on leaving his Department; who authorised this; and if he will make a statement.

A copy of the rules governing the acceptance of outside business appointments by civil servants is in the Library; Sir Anthony Part's appointment was approved in accordance with those rules.

Civil Servants (Retirement)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will hold an inquiry into the system of approvals for senior members of his Department to join industrial firms on retirement.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what advice is given to retiring senior civil servants joining companies with which they have had close working relations.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 16 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 676], gave the following information:Like any other civil servant, a senior officer who, with the consent of the Government, joins a company with which he has had official contact, is reminded on leaving the Civil Service that he may not divulge information obtained in the course of his official duties. The Government's consent may include further conditions for example in relation to the individual's future participation in dealings with Government or with competitor firms.

British Steel Corporation

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what estimates his Department has made of the number of people likely to be employed in each of the next five years in the British Steel Corporation.

This is a matter for the Corporation. The Government's approach was set out in the White Paper "British Steel Corporation: the Road to Viability"—Cmnd. 7149.

Output

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he is satisfied with the current level of industrial output.

I welcome the fact that manufacturing output is recovering from the effects of the road haulage dispute and that there appear to be good prospects of making up some of the production lost.

Steel Industry (Import Penetration)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what steps he intends to take to help the steel industry to resist further import penetration, in the light of the most recent report of the National Economic Development Council iron and steel sector working party.

We are supporting action by the Commission to secure more orderly marketing of steel within the Community and to restrain disruptive imports from third countries, and we are encouraging improved productivity and competitiveness of the British steel industry. We have, for example, offered help to the special steels industry under our various schemes for encouraging industrial investment.

Lucas Aerospace, Liverpool

asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) if he will make a statement on the extent to which and in what ways his Department was involved and took steps to prevent the closure of Lucas Aerospace Ltd., Liverpool (Broad Green);(2) what steps he has taken directly to prevent large scale redundancies at Lucas Aerospace (Broad Green).

I refer the hon. Member to my supplementary answer to the question today from the hon. Member for Christchurch and Lymington (Mr. Adley).

Aircraft And Shipbuilding Industries (Compensation)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will list the names of the firms, the amounts and the dates he made payments of compensation under the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act; and when he expects final registrations completed and payments made.

Payments of compensation are made on behalf of the Government by the Bank of England within about two weeks of the announcement of a compensation settlement or of payments on account.The settlements announced to date are as follows:

DateAmount (including any payment on account) £000
LISTED SECURITIES
Robb Caledon Shipbuilders Limited24.6.771,739
John G. Kincaid & Company Limited (preference shares)24.6.77118
UNLISTED SECURITIES
Barclay, Curie & Company Limited5.7.7815,000
Clelands Shipbuilding Company Ltd.
The Goole Shipbuilding and Repairing Co. Ltd.
Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Limited
Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Limited
Smith's Dock Company Ltd.
Swan Hunter Training and Safety Company Limited
Hawker Siddeley Aviation Limited15.8.7860,000
Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Limited
Austin & Pickersgill Ltd.16.8.7814,000
George Clark and NEM Limited1.11.781,940
My right hon. Friend announced payments on account on 25 January, 21 April, 18 July and 23 November 1978 in reply to questions by my hon. Friends the Members for Wallsend (Mr. Garrett) and Kingswood (Mr. Walker). The total amounts paid in respect of the companies for which compensation remains to be determined are as follows:

£000
British Aircraft Corporation (Holdings) Limited40,000
Scottish Aviation Limited1,050
Brooke Marine Limited650
Cammell Laird Shipbuilders Limited400
Hall Russell & Company Ltd.650
Hawthorn Leslie (Engineers) Ltd.550
John G. Kincaid & Company Limited2,250
Scott Lithgow Limited750
Scott Lithgow Drydocks Limited
Vickers Shipbuilding Group Limited8,450
Vosper Thornycroft (UK) Limited1,350
Vosper Shiprepairers Limited
Yarrow (Shipbuilders) Limited2,250
Yarrow (Training) Limited
I cannot say when the remaining cases will be resolved. One has been referred to arbitration by the stockholders' representative. Negotiations are proceeding in the other outstanding cases and it is not possible to say whether these cases will be settled by negotiation or arbitration.

Private Industry (Government Assistance)

ask the Secretary of State for Industry if he will now ensure that the giving of Government financial assistance to private industry, except where this is a statutory entitlement, will now be made conditional on the signing of planning agreements, in the light of the importance placed on planning agreements in the joint statement by the Trades Union Congress and the Government of February 1979.

Government policy remains as stated in the White Paper, "The Regeneration of British Industry", and during debate on the Industry Bill 1975 by my right hon. Friend, the then Secretary of State for Industry.

Planning Agreements

asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many planning agreements have been signed to date; and with whom.

I refer my hon. Friend to the reply of my right hon. Friend to the hon. Member for Melton (Mr. Latham) on 13 November 1978 [Vol. 958, c. 55.]

Small Firms

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will seek to introduce legislation to enable him to make payments to small firms which have found it necessary to obtain professional advice to reply to questionnaires circulated by his Department.

The Bolton committee in its report on small firms—Cmnd. 4811—considered this idea but concluded that the suggestion should not be taken further. The Government are continuing with their efforts to reduce the burden of form-filling on small firms.

Biotechnological Processes

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will take steps to draw up ways to further research and development in biotechnological processes which can be exploited by British industry before major competitors from other countries dominate this field.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 15 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 618], gave the following information:While acknowledging the potential importance of biotechnology, I am satisfied that research and development, both on behalf of United Kingdom industry and within industry itself, can be advanced satisfactorily under existing arrangements. A favourable attitude towards work in this area is already being taken by relevant funding bodies, including the chemicals and minerals requirements board of this Department. In view of the already considerable activity among United Kingdom industrial companies, I see no need for further measures at this stage.

Dunlop Ltd

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will make a statement about Government assistance to Dunlop Ltd. following the refusal of the Industrial Development Advisory Board to support proposals for financial assistance to that company's tyre business; and whether he will ask the Industrial Development Advisory Board to make a final statement to Parliament of its advice.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 16 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 676], gave the following information:Discussions are continuing between my Department and Dunlop. The Industrial Development Advisory Board has still to give its final advice on firm proposals.

Education And Science

Mature Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) if she will publish for each year from 1970 the numbers of mature students in higher education, and the proportion they formed of total student numbers;(2) what are her estimates for the proportion that mature students will form of total student numbers in higher education in each of the next 10 years.

For the purposes of higher education planning, mature students are defined as home entrants to higher education aged 21 and over. On this basis, the information is as follows:

Mature home entrants (000's)As percentage of all home entrants to HE
1970–7127·321·0
1971–7229·221·6
1972–7328·120·8
1973–7429·622·0
1974–7530·522·4
1975–7631·422·6
1976–7733·023·5
1977–7833·824·6
(provisional)
Numbers and proportions of mature students over the next 10 years will depend at least in part on the outcome of the general review of higher education policy initiated by the discussion document, "Higher Education into the 1990s", published in February 1978. One of the models described in that document referred to the future possibility of more systematic opportunities for recurrent higher education for mature students.

Works Of Art And Museum Objects

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the Official Report a list of works of art and museum objects accepted in lieu of tax which are currently on loan from national collections to premises accessible to the public which are privately owned, in accordance with note (1) of her reply to the hon. Member for Warley, East, Official Report, c. 169–70; and whether she will specify in that list the provenance of the individual objects, the national collections from which the loans have been made, and the dates from which the loans commenced.

Negotiations on a number of items are taking place but none has as yet been completed.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether any works of art and museum objects listed in her reply to the hon. Member for Warley, East on 7 February, as accepted in lieu of tax but not yet allocated to museums (Official Report, c. 171–2), have since been allocated; and, if so, whether she will specify them, together with the names of the recipient institutions and the relevant wishes, if any, of executors.

In the reply given to my hon. Friend, the Member for Warley, East, on 7 February, nine works of art and museum objects were described as having been accepted in lieu of tax but not yet allocated to a museum or gallery. None of these has since been allocated.

Burnham Committee (Teachers' Panel)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the Official Report a table showing (a) the number of places she has allocated on the teachers' panel of the Burnham Committee to each organisation, (b) the membership in relevant posts of the respective organisations, including any to whom she has refused representation, (c) the extent to which any organisation represents a separate part of the teaching profession, and (d) any other factors which have influenced her decision on the representation of any group.

(a) The new composition of the teachers' panel of the Burnham Primary and Secondary Committee is as follows:

No. of Seats
National Union of Teachers (NUT)16
National Association of Schoolmasters/Union of Women Teachers (NAS/UWT)6
Assistant Masters and Mistresses Association (AMMA)4
National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT)2
Secondary Heads Association (SHA)1
National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education (NATFHE)1

( b) The Department does not collect information about the number of teachers in post in maintained schools in England and Wales by reference to the organisations to which they belong. The allocation of seats is not simply arithmetical.

( c) The National Association of Head Teachers and the Secondary Heads Association represent the views of head teachers although some head teachers may alternatively, or also be members of the other associations. The National Association of Teachers in further and higher education represents a link with the teachers' panel of the Burnham Further Education Committee. By long-established practice matters of common concern to both Burnham Committees, for example, London allowances are mainly negotiated in the Primary and Secondary Committee.

( d) I refer the hon. Member to my right hon. Friend's reply to the hon. and gallant Member for Winchester (Rear-Admiral Morgan-Giles) on 6 November.—[Vol. 957, c. 52.]

London Music Colleges (Salaries)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she is satisfied that the present differential between salaries in the London music colleges and other institutions of higher education should be continued.

My right hon. Friend recognises that an anomaly exists, but does not propose to anticipate the findings of the Central Arbitration Committee which, I understand, is currently considering a claim made under schedule 11 to the Employment Protection Act 1975 on behalf of certain teaching staff at the Royal College of Music.

Chinese Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) when she anticipates that the first batch of Chinese students who come to the United Kingdom as a result of the agreement that she reached during the course of her visit to China in 1978 will commence their studies;(2) whether she will make a statement about the arrangements that have been made for the financing, distribution and care of the Chinese students coming to the United Kingdom as a result of the agreement reached during the course of her visit to China in 1978.

Some aspects of the arrangements are still being discussed with the Chinese authorities and a delegation of senior academic staff from this country under the leadership of Sir Harry Pitt is at present in China with a view to assessing the relative standards of British and Chinese courses.Meanwhile the British Council has received a number of applications from research students and undergraduates for admission in 1979–80 and has made approaches to university departments on behalf of the research students.

Discretionary Grants

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will now update her estimate, given in her survey "Discretionary Awards 1975–76 to 1977–78", that it would have required increased expenditure of £6 million to maintain the 1975–76 discretionary grants position.

I regret that this is not possible. The estimate which the hon. Member refers to was derived from information about the intentions of local education authorities obtained in the special survey of discretionary awards undertaken in 1977. The survey has not been repeated nor has my right hon. Friend any plans for a further survey.

Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what was the total cost of education during 1978: and how this compares with 1973.

At constant prices, expenditure on education in Great Britain was about £8·1 billion in 1973–74 and £7·95 billion in 1977–78. The estimate for 1978–79 is just under £8·1 billion. Capital expenditure this year will be nearly £700 million less than in 1973–74, mainly because of the prospective fall in the school population, but over the same five years the number of teachers in schools has risen by nearly 40,000.

Employment

Minimum Wage

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if the reference to a minimum wage of £44·50 in paragraph 17 of the White Paper "Winning the Battle Against Inflation" (Cmnd. Paper No. 7293), was intended to be a minimum for all adult males or a minimum for higher grades of adult male workers to which he made reference in his answer to the hon. Member for Thurrock (Dr. McDonald), Official Report, 7th February, columns 185–86.

The Governments provisions to help the low-paid are intended for the benefit of all such workers, whether male or female and whatever their grade.

Maternity Pay

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will introduce legislation to extend maternity pay to mothers of adopted children.

Training Boards

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied with the performance of the various training boards that come within his jurisdiction; and if he will make a statement.

Manpower Services Commission

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he is proposing that the review recently undertaken by the Manpower Services Commission of its special programmes will be published or otherwise circulated to scheme sponsors.

I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that its recent review was essentially an internal operation to help it prepare recommendations about the future size and shape of special programmes and the conditions under which they should operate. Decisions about the operation of special programmes in 1979–80 will be announced shortly.The Commission intends to publish a statement covering progress during the first year of operation of the programmes which ends on 31 March 1979.

Youth Opportunities And Special Training

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what steps he has taken to ensure that the closest partnership exists between local authorities, employers and voluntary bodies sponsoring schemes under the youth opportunities and special training employment programmes; and if he will make a statement.

Manufacturing Industry

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his estimate of jobs lost in manufacturing industry between the years 1970 and 1978.

Precise information about job gains and job losses is not available but an indication of the net change can be seen by comparing the levels of employees in employment at different dates. Between June 1970 and June 1978 the number of people employed in manufacturing industries in Great Britain fell by 1,003,000. The figure used for June 1978 is provisional.

Home Department

Prison Sentences (Suspension)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to bring into force the provision for partial suspension of sentences contained in the Criminal Law Act 1977.

The implementation of section 47 will place additional administrative burdens on prison staff and may, at least in the first instance, increase the number of short term receptions into prison. However, the Government will be keeping the matter under review.

Taxis

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the progress of his discussions with the London taxi trade on its applications for increased fares.

Representatives of the London taxi trade were informed by the Home Office on 3 January that the Government were prepared to agree to an increase in London taxi fares which takes account of the recommendations of the Price Commission and is based on the increase in cab operating costs, with an allowance for increased earnings consistent with the Government's earnings guidelines. After consideration and further talks with the Home Office, the trade suggested modifications to the Government's proposals. These are now the subject of discussions between it and the Home Office.

County Council Bills (Notice Of Provisions)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek the permission of the parties referred to in his answer to the hon. Member for Barking (Miss Richardson), Official Report, Vol. 961, c. 273, to publish the correspondence regarding the clauses in the county council Bills currently before Parliament.

A considerable amount of correspondence is involved. I shall seek the views of the parties concerned on its disclosure and will write to my hon. Friend.

Magistrates' Courts (Committals For Trial)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department in what proportion of the cases sent for trial on indictment the accused has been committed for trial by the magistrates without consideration of the evidence.

There is every reason to suppose that the procedure under section 1 of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 is used for the great majority of committals for trial, but national statistics are not available on this point.

Local Government Elections 1980

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what will be the dates for local government elections in 1980.

The ordinary day of election of councillors in 1980 will be Thursday 1 May.

" The Governor's Handbook "

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will place a copy of "The Governor's Handbook "in the Library.

I understand that the Library already contains a copy, supplied by its author.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the cost of production of "The Governor's Handbook"; and what is the total cost so far of this production from the time it has been met out of public funds.

Production expenses have been met from public funds since 1968. The last complete reprint in 1976 cost £776. I regret that information for previous years is not available in Home Office records.

Referendum Voting

asked the Lord Advocate, with reference to the recent parliamentary answer that it is illegal to vote twice in a referendum, whether he will institute prosecutions for incitement to commit an electoral offence against any person or body who urges and

HOLDINGS IN WALES BY FORM OF TENURE (a) NUMBERS, (b) TOTAL AREA
19701971197219731974197519761977
NumberNumberNumberNumberNumberNumberNumberNumber
Wholly owned18,50218,38317,71617,23917,45716,74917,23217,383
Wholly rented10,6149,7358,7448,4468,4177,5047,1606,857
50% or more owned4,5415,0284,9704,7414,5845,3695,3125,083
50% or more rented2,5272,1512,5912,4622,3542,8312,8962,673
TOTALS36,18435,29734,02132,88832,81232,45332,60031,996
HectaresHectaresHectaresHectaresHectaresHectaresHectaresHectares(000s)
Wholly owned705·6723·3722·1714·7727·6689·0695·5716·1
Wholly rented414·5376·1355·0354·2353·7318·0302·7299·1
50% or more owned240·9262·9263·5267·4259·5306·4319·3311·2
50% or more rented145·3135·8151·7152·5152·1181·1185·2174·8
TOTALS1,506·31,498·11,492·21,488·81,492·91,494·41,502·71,501·3

Fly-Fishing (Gwynedd)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will ensure that fly-fishing

continues to urge students resident in Scotland to vote twice in the forthcoming referendum.

Any allegations of irregularities in connection with voting in a referendum which are reported will be carefully considered with a view to prosecution.

Wales

Tri-Ang Pedigree Limited

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what has been the total of public money granted to the Tri-ang Toy Company.

Since May 1975, when Airfix Industries acquired a controlling interest in the company, £3,275,000 has been advanced to Triang Pedigree Ltd by way of share capital, loan and grant, under the provisions of section 7 of the Industry Act 1972.

Farms

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish the number of units and the total acreage of (a) tenanted farms and (b) owner occupied farms in Wales in each of the past 10 years.

The information, which is available in the form requested only for the years 1970–77, is given in the following table below:interests are represented on the Gwynedd National Park Committee to which he makes appointments.

The persons I appoint to national park committees are chosen for their individual capacity to reflect a variety of interests having regard to the wide national purposes for which the national parks were designated. I am always prepared to consider names put to me by any interested body.

Sports Council For Wales (Budget)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what advice he has given to the Sports Council for Wales on the possibility of its underspending its 1978 budget.

None. The Sports Council for Wales fully understands the

*ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND IMPROVEMENT, WALES
£ million at 1978 Survey Prices
1976–771977–781978–791979–80
CENTRAL GOVERNMENT MOTORWAYS AND TRUNK ROADS
1.Planned expenditure70·261·448·051·8
2.Actual expenditure66·946·0
3.Estimated expenditure43·651·8
4.Shortfall3·315·44·4
5.Shortfall as percentage of 1(4·7%)(25·1%)(9·2%)
LOCAL AUTHORITY ROADS
1.Planned expenditure33·525·926·532·0
2.Actual expenditure30·924·6
3.Estimated expenditure26·032·0
4.Shortfall2·61·30·5
5.Shortfall as percentage of 1(7·8%)(5·0%)(1·9%)
* including lighting installation
Based on Command 7439

Referendum

asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he intends to publish his estimate of the number of persons entitled to vote in the referendum in Wales.

Air Wales

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will take steps to ensure the necessary support for Air Wales for that company to consolidate and expand its air services in Wales.

Decisions about the development of this company's services are a matter for the commercial judgment of the operator concerned. My right hon. and learned Friend has already accepted for transport supplementary grant a measure of revenue support for the service between Cardiff and Hawarden.

need to spend the whole of its grant-in-aid for the benefit of sport in Wales.

Road Construction (Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish a table showing actual or estimated expenditure in Wales and the expenditure planned, all at 1978 survey prices, and the shortfall or excess as a percentage of the planned budget for (a) motorway and trunk construction and (b) local authority road construction for 1976–77, 1977–78, 1978–79 and 1979–80.

Welsh Museum (Purchase Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what proposals he has for purchase grants for the Welsh museum services for 1979–80.

Subject to the approval of Parliament the purchase grant for the National Museum of Wales will be £598,000 in 1979–80.

Energy

Electricity Discount Scheme

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will accord to HARP members in Birmingham the same benefits under the current electricity discount schemes as are available to council tenants of other housing authorities.

I refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Perry Bar (Mr. Rooker) on Wednesday 14 February.—[Vol. 962, c. 576–7.]

Coking Coal

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what are the total stocks of coking coal held in the United Kingdom for the latest date for which figures are available.

Total stocks of carbonisation coal at 23 December 1978—the latest date for which figures are available—were 5·85 million tonnes.

asked the Secretary of State for Energy (1) under the "Plan for Coal", how much of new productive capacity has been scheduled to produce coking coal;(2) how much (

a) coking coal and ( b) coke the United Kingdom coal mining industry supplies to the British Steel Corporation.

(3) what are the proved reserves of coking coal in the United Kingdom, excluding the continental shelf.

I am asking the chairman of the National Coal Board to write to the hon. Member with the information.

Coal Production

asked the Secretary of State for Energy (1) how many British coal mines produce (a) under 50,000 tons per annum, (b) 50,000 to 1,000,000 tons per annum, (c) 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 tons per annum, (d) 1,500,000 to 2,000,000 tons per annum and (e) over 2,000,000 tons per annum;(2) of the 223 mines producing hard coal in the United Kingdom, how many in (

a) Wales, ( b) Scotland and ( c) England proved profitable for the most recent date for which figures are available; and if he will give the percentage of uneconomic mines for each part of the United Kingdom.

I have asked the chairman of the National Coal Board to write to the hon. Member.

Energy Conservation (Bromley)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy, in furtherance of his Department's energy conservation policy, what study has been made of the energy conservation system at West Wickham swimming pool in the London borough of Bromley, under which heat which was previously extracted from the main pool to the atmosphere is now reclaimed and recirculated: and what steps he will take to make use of the benefits of this scheme in other public buildings.

Theoretical calculations indicate that the heat pump system installed at this swimming pool should produce substantial energy savings but as the system has been in use for only a very short time it is too soon yet for any realistic evaluation to be made of the cost effectiveness of the system.The advantages of heat pumps in this and other areas of application are well understood and a lot of research is being done in this country by both Government and the private sector, as well as internationally under the auspices of the EEC and IEA.

Emergency Petrol Rationing (Disabled Drivers)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether, in any contingency plans he is making for petrol rationing in an emergency, he will give special consideration for disabled drivers.

Power Stations (Fluidised Bed Combustion)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what study he has made of the use of fluidised bed combustion process in the design of new power stations.

My Department is associated with the National Coal Board, Babcock and Wilcox, Combustion Systems Ltd., and the Central Electricity Generating Board in studies on the application of pressurised fluidised bed combustion to power generation mounted in response to the recommendations in "Coal Technology", the report of the R & D working party of the coal industry tripartite group published in May last year.

Coal Liquefaction

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what support is being given to coal liquefaction as a result of the recommendations in "Coal Technology", the report of the research and development working party of the Coal Industry Tripartite Group, published on 24 May 1978.

I have today signed a contract with Sir Derek Ezra, chairman of the NCB, under which the Government will provide to the NCB up to two-thirds of the cost of design studies, technical support and evaluation of bids for the construction of two 25-tonne per day pilot plants. The total cost of this first phase of the work is estimated to be £1·2 million and the Government's contribution will be up to £800,000.This support relates to pilot plants aimed at the production of chemical feed-stocks and the full range of transport fuels, using the NCB's liquid solvent extraction and supercritical gas solvent extraction processes described in the tripartite group report.The full design study phase will last about 18 months, when a further agreement will be considered for the construction phase, estimated to cost £30 million. If that phase is initiated the Government are prepared to contribute up to £20 million.

Hillingdon Law Centre

34.

asked the Attorney-General whether he will make a statement about the funding of the Hillingdon Law Centre.

I refer my hon. Friend to what I said in the debate on the motion for the Adjournment of the House on Wednesday 14 February.

Defence

Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what was the total cost of defence in 1978; and how this compares with 1973.

Table 2.1 of the 1979 Public Expenditure White Paper—Cmnd 7439—shows, at 1978 survey prices, a forecast out-turn for the 1978–79 defence budget of £6,872 million and, at the same price base, a final out-turn for 1973–74 of £7,039 million.

Catterick Camp

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the total area of training ground at Catterick Camp; if it is intended to increase or reduce the present acreage for military training; and if he will make a statement.

The military training areas in Catterick garrison total about 18,000 acres. A reduction in our land holding is not contemplated and we have no plans at present to increase it.

Atomic Weapons Research Establishment

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the framework of safety conditions which have been agreed with the staff associations and trade unions at the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment, Aldermaston as these apply to the active area at the establishment.

The framework of safety conditions consisted of agreed general principles designed to establish common practices and facilitate detailed discussions between building managers and local representatives of the work force on the resumption of work in the active areas. It mainly concerns: improved control over access to the active areas; the maintenance of high standards of checking and good house-keeping; the evolution of agreed working procedures including the use of protective clothing; the need for extended training; and the provision of adequate monitoring and health physics arrangements.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Malta (Medical Facilities)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what advice is available from his Department for intending tourists concerned about the present state of medical facilities in Malta.

We understand that if tourists have the misfortune to be taken ill or meet with accidents, urgent treatment can be obtained from the medical facilities available in Malta. We know of no reason to advise intending tourists against using them.

Iran

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on British interests and the situation in Iran.

I have nothing to add to the reply I gave on 12 February to my hon. Friend the Member for Basildon (Mr. Moonman).—[Vol. 962, c. 439.]

Rhodesia (Mission)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many members there are of the resirual mission in Salisbury, Rhodesia; and in what circumstances the Government would be willing to strengthen that mission.

There is at present one official in Salisbury, with two supporting staff. The level of our representation there is kept under review.

Northern Ireland (European Assembly Elections)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether the United Kingdom Government will submit their observations within the time limits specified by the European Commission of Human Rights in connection with the application against the use of proportional representation voting in Northern Ireland during the European Assembly elections because of previous failures to respect such time limits.

The European Commission of Human Rights has not notified Her Majesty's Government of such a complaint. If one is lodged and Her Majesty's Government are asked for observations, these will be submitted within time limits agreed by the Commission.

Prices And Consumer Protection

Petrol Prices

asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection whether he will direct the Prices Commission to examine whether the further increase of three pence and four pence a gallon in petrol prices is justified; and whether he will make a statement.

The selection of individual firms for investigation is a matter for the Price Commission which announced on 15 February that price increases notified by the Esso Petroleum Co Ltd and BP Oil Ltd were to be investigated. My right hon. Friend has no present intention of directing the Price Commission to undertake an examination of petrol prices in general.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Slaughterhouses

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list, on a regional basis, the number of slaughterhouses which are to close as a result of their inability to comply with EEC regulation 177 which became operative on 11 May 1978.

I think that the hon. Member has in mind the Slaughterhouses (Hygiene) Regulations 1977, many of the provisions of which came into operation on 11 May 1978. Other provisions, which could involve appreciable structural changes, will become compulsory only on 11 November 1980 for slaughterhouses in operation before 11 May 1978. The regulations apply to all slaughterhouses in England and Wales and do not arise from an EEC obligation. The previous hygiene regulations had served since 1958 with only minor amendment and the objective of the 1977 regulations was to raise standards in the interests of hygiene and public health. Slaughterhouses have been declining in number for some years for various reasons; my Department does not receive returns indicating the reasons for closures.

Agricultural Land

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the percentage of agricultural land now farmed by (a) companies, (b) owner/farmers and (c) tenant farmers.

According to the June 1977 census 55·7 per cent. of agricultural land in England and Wales is farmed by owner-occunpiers and 44·3 per cent. by tenant farmers.I regret that no figures are available about land farmed by companies.

Sugar

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the estimated sugar beet acreage for 1979; and if he will publish figures for each of the past three years.

It is estimated that some 215,000 hectares of sugar beet will be grown in 1979. In the past three years the areas recorded in the agricultural returns at 1 June in each year were:

'000 hectares
1976206
1977202
1978 (provisional)210

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what action he envisages to deter EEC member States from limiting sugar production during the present world surplus.

I assume that the hon. Member meant to ask what action we envisage to encourage EEC member States to limit sugar production during the present world surplus. In preliminary discussion of the Commission proposals for CAP prices for 1979–80 my right hon. Friend has already argued for a reduction in sugar prices. He also firmly supports the Commission's proposal for a further reduction in the maximum quota for sugar to 120 per cent. of the basic quota.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether steps are being taken within the EEC to ensure that the Community joins the new International Sugar Agreement; and if he will make a statement.

The EEC has already declared its willingness to join the International Sugar Agreement if suitable terms can be negotiated. An informal exploratory meeting between the Community and a working group on accessions set up by the International Sugar Council took place on 15 December. Further discussions are likely to be held which will, I hope, lead in due course to the negotiation of terms on which the Community will be able to accede to the Agreement.

Green Currency

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will specify the powers possessed by any member State of the European Economic Community to fix the value of its own green currency.

The formal position is that green rate changes must be the subject of a Commission proposal and must be approved by the Council with a qualified majority vote. But it is an accepted convention that green rate changes are primarily a matter for the individual member State concerned.

Tomatoes (Neapolitan Canners)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in the light of the fact that a number of Neapolitan canners have broken contracts with the United Kingdom and quantities in excess of half a million cartons of canned tomatoes have not been supplied at contract prices, if he will take steps to identify the losses incurred by British importers and distributors, and ensure that adequate compensation for them will be deducted from the British contribution to the EEC subsidy regime.

No. This is a contractual matter between buyers and sellers and not one in which it would be right for the Government to intervene.

National Finance

Banking Bill (Standing Committee Proceedings)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report the text of a letter dated 12 February from the Minister of State, Treasury, to the hon. Member for Hitchin, dealing with matters raised in Standing Committee on the Banking Bill.

The following is the text of the letter:Treasury ChambersParliament StreetSW1P 3AG12 February 1979Ian Stewart Esq MPHouse of CommonsLondonSW1A 0AADear Ian,BANKING BILLIn Standing Committee on the Bill, I promised to consider a number of points; and I am writing now to let you know the results.We are making some amendments for Report stage as a result of our discussions and I deal with these first, insofar as they need comment. On Schedule 1, we are doing some tidying-up, and the Letchworth Garden City is now covered. Water authorities are no longer considered to come within the scope of the Bill so have been deleted. The police authorities are covered by the revised paragraph, so no longer need a separate entry. The paragraph also covers miscellaneous bodies such as Joint Crematorium Boards and National Parks.We are also proposing to add stockbrokers to Schedule 1. So far as other professions are concerned, we would propose to exempt them by regulations under clause 2(1), if they should indeed be within the scope of the Bill. You will recall that the question of solicitors was raised. The circumstances in which solicitors may hold money for their clients are of considerable variety and complexity; and we have concluded that in order to provide certainty on the point there should probably be a specific exclusion for them under 2(1).Turning now to some of the general questions raised on clause 1, you raised the question of the Bill's impact on the inter-company market. As you know, the Bill seeks to regulate the acceptance of deposits by persons carrying on a deposit-taking business. The definition of a deposit in clause (1) has necessarily been drawn in wide terms. It would cover the taking of repayable monies by one company from another, whether the transaction was effected directly or through brokers and whether or not it was evidenced by notes, provided that the lender was not a recognised bank or licensed institution or a connected company. This would not in itself make the borrowing company subject to the prohition in sub-section (1). That would depend on whether it was a deposit-taking business under sub-sections (2) and (3). Insofar as its activities were not financed to any material extent out of the proceeds of deposits, it would not be a deposit-taking business; and, even if it were not excluded on this ground, it would still not be regarded as a deposit-taking business if it satisfied both the conditions in sub-section (3). The first of those conditions is that it should not hold itself out to accept deposits on a day-to-day basis. A company which entered the market to obtain a sum of money and then withdrew would not fall foul of this condition; but a company which told a broker that it stood ready on a continuing basis to take all deposits offered would (in that remote contingency) be caught. The second condition in subsection (3) addresses itself to what transactions take place in fact. It is largely a test of frequency (although it is also concerned with the extent to which a transaction may be atypical by reference to the normal activities of the borrower). Thus a company which borrowed occasionally on the inter-company market (or the market for fixed-interest securities) would not be accounted a deposit-taking business. How frequently it could borrow in these ways before needing to be licensed as a deposit-taking institution or to curtail such activities is a matter for interpretation by the Bank of England and, in the last resort, by the courts. A mechanical test of frequency would be too rigid and anomalous in its effects.It follows that the Banking Bill would not put an end to the inter-company market. It would, however, discourage the development of a market in which some participants borrowed from others on a significant and systematic basis. This is desirable on prudential grounds since it is difficult for ordinary trading companies to reach a proper appreciation of the risks involved in lending through this market to companies with which they have no business relationship; and in some circumstances it may also make monetary policy more effective and remove a grievance not unreasonably expressed from time to time by the banking system.Partly in this connection, you asked whether companies could discuss with the Bank the implications of the legislation, when it is in operation. The Banking Supervision Division of the Bank of England would always be willing to discuss with interested persons whether their present activities or a proposed course of action might bring them within the scope of the legislation. I do not consider it necessary to provide for any formal procedures in this respect. Presumably any persons who felt that the pursuit of a particular activity might be adjudged to make them a deposit-taking business within the meaning of the Bill would also consult their legal advisers. In the last resort, of course, a final decision in the matter would lie with the courts.John Moore also raised the question of back-to-back lending. The principle behind this is that a company deposits money with a bank (or some other institution) and the borrower (or a company connected with the borrower) lends a similar amount of money to another party named by the depositor. The definitions in clause 1(3) and (5) of the Banking Bill are such that borrowing by way of back-to-back loans should not be affected by legislation.In order to be subject to the provisions of the Bill a person has to accept a deposit in the course of carrying on a deposit-taking business. The definition of a deposit excludes loans made by recognised banks and licensed institutions, by persons in the business of lending money (such as overseas banks which need no deposit-taking authority here) and by connected lenders. Moreover, a company would not be accounted a deposit-taking business provided that it did not hold itself out to accept deposits on a day-to-day basis and in fact took deposits only on particular occasions.Back-to-back loans are complex in nature and the occasions on which any one company might borrow by this means are infrequent. Even where such borrowing fell within the definition of a deposit, the company in question should have little difficulty in demonstrating that it was not a deposit-taking business as the funds were received only on a particular occasion. On this basis back-to-back borrowing by comparies generally—like their borrowing through fixed-interest securities on the capital market—will be unaffected by the passage of the legislation.I turn now to the more detailed points raised on the Bill.

Clause 1( 5). I do not consider that it is necessary further to expand the definition of a connected depositor. This clause as drafted, read in conjunction with the definitions of director, controller and manager in clause 4 of the Bill, already provides for the bulk of cases where there is a close degree of connection, and to widen the exemptions further could reduce the effectiveness of the supervisory system and the protection of depositors I enclose a copy of a letter I have written to Mr. Pardoe on the representations of the Consumer Credit Trade Association.

Clause 6( 1)( b). The Bank will take all relevant circumstances into account in deciding whether to proceed with revocation on the grounds that an institution has not carried on a deposit-taking business (as defined) for six months or more, and the provision will be interpreted flexibly.

Clause 6( 2). I am confident that there is no need to provide for revocation on the grounds of a composition with creditors in the case of companies. Section 206 of the Companies Act 1948, which I assume you had in mind, is generally directed towards reconstructions and amalgamations, where the company is to continue as a going concern.

Clause 6( 4) and ( 5). I am confident that the clause as drafted ensures that there will be no gap between the expiry of one authorisation and the grant of another.

Clause 12( 4). The offence in this clause is judged to be similar to that in clauses 16 and 17 of failing to give information to the Bank (or person appointed to carry out an

investigation). The fine of £1,000 is the maximum for summary conviction under the Criminal Law Act 1977. Prior to that Act, the maximum fine was £400; and this is applied to similar offences under the Insurance Companies Act 1974, Sex Discrimination Act 1975 and the Race Relations Act 1976.

Clause 15. I do not consider it necessary to amend the phrase ' for each occasion '. It is designed to stop persistent flouting of the law; clearly the Bank or the DPP, as prosecuting authority, would not use that power unreasonably, nor indeed would the courts allow them to do so.

Clause 19. I promised to consider amendment 48, which would have prevented the Bank from disclosing information to overseas authorities where that might be prejudicial to overseas customers of the institution. As you are aware, the clause allows the Bank to disclose information to overseas authorities only for supervisory purposes. Circumstances in which the Bank might find it necessary to pass information touching on the affairs of individual customers to overseas supervisory authorities could be expected to occur very rarely, if at all. But however hypothetical the contingency, I am afraid that it would not be compatible with our obligations under the EEC Directive to debar the Bank from passing such information where this would assist the overseas authorities in their supervisory functions. Nor would it be possible to confine 19(5) to EEC authorities, since it could be argued that the extra degree of confidentiality thereby afforded to customers of third country institutions amounted to favourable treatment of these institutions, which is again precluded by the Directive. I would repeat that I am sure we are dealing only with very remote contingencies.

Clause 23. I have considered whether the term to maturity under which deposits would be excluded from the deposit base (and from protection) should be reduced to two years; but in the absence of conclusive arguments I prefer that the present wording should stand.

Clause 26( 1) and ( 5). The difference in wording between ' may ' in (1) and ' shall ' in (5) is deliberate. Subsection (1) gives the Board the option of calling special contributions or of borrowing on a temporary basis. Subsection (5) ensures that the ' topping-up ' mechanism will come into play, notwithstanding that the Board has borrowed temporarily.

Clause 28( 2). I have considered whether it should be obligatory for the Board to refuse payment to ' connected depositors ' under this clause. The subsection goes wide, in that it refers to persons who may have profited directly or indirectly from the institution's difficulties. I think that this is right, so as to catch persons whose profit is indirect but who nevertheless, in the Board's opinion, have a material connection with the institution. But this may also catch persons whose profit is indirect, but who are only connected with the institution in a purely technical sense. I am sure that the Board will in all oppropriate cases refuse payment. But I would not wish to

remove all discretion, given the wide scope of the subsection.

Clause 31( 7). The rules will be essentially technical. It is unlikely that they will be finalised much before the end of this year.

Clause 33. Suggestions were made about the scope of the regulations relating to advertisements for deposits. We will bear these in mind for when we come to draft the regulations.

Clause 36( 2) and ( 3). The question of exempt dealerships under the Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Act was raised. Under the Act, the Secretary of State may make Orders of Exemption. This is a matter for his discretion. A consultative document has been issued on the revision of the Act, which proposes that recognised banks, but not licenced institutions, should be exempted—although of course the latter could apply for a licence under the Act. Clause 36 of the Banking Bill as such has no impact on this.

Clause 36( 4). It was suggested that the description ' banking services ' ought specifically to be related to the services listed in paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 2. I do not think an amendment is necessary here; the list in Schedule 2 is not intended to be an exhaustive list of banking services and a licensed institution ought not to be restricted to describing only the services in the Schedule as ' banking services '.

Clause 36. I have looked again at the use of the term ' investment bankers ' and see no reason to alter what I said in Committee. It is relevant that nothing in the Bill prevents an institution based in London from describing itself as an investment banker abroad; and conversely, if a foreign-based institution were to set up in London, it would be subject to the restrictions in the Bill.

I am sending a copy of this letter to all members of Standing Committee A.

Denzil Davies

Lone Parents (Tax Allowances)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what recent representations he has received concerning tax allowances for lone parents to cover child care costs; what replies he has given; and what is his policy on this matter.

When I met representatives of the National Council for One-Parent Families and of Gingerbread on 25 January, I took note of their representations about tax relief to cover child care expenses of lone parents. The general issue of tax relief for child care expenses will need to be considered in the forthcoming Green Paper on taxation of the family, in the light of any other proposals which could affect the relative treatment of lone parents and two-parent families.

Devolution (Scotland And Wales)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report information available to the latest possible date bringing up to date the series of tables and related information given in reply to the hon. Member for Aberdare (Mr. Evans), Official Report, 5 February 1976, c. 709–17.

Inflation Rate

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list in the Official Report factors which he estimates as having an effect on the rate of inflation.

The rate of inflation is the outcome of a number of complex processes. Immediate causes include increases in exchange rates and interest rates and variations in profit margins. But these factors are themselves rooted in previous inflationary experience, and so a straight-forward assignment of inflation to particular cases is an over-simplification. Fiscal and monetary policy can also have an impact on inflation, mainly through the exchange rate and the pressure of demand. The various factors influencing the rate of inflation can move in opposing directions. Last year, for example, the rapid rise in unit labour costs was mitigated by generally favourable movements in commodity prices and food prices, and by a relatively high exchange rate. It cannot be expected that these factors will continue to operate so favourably; hence the importance of achieving moderate pay settlements.

Tax Rebates (Industrial Disputes)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it is normal practice for firms to agree with the Inland Revenue at the beginning of the financial year as to whether or not they will make tax rebates to striking employees during the strike period; and whether, if so, a firm can alter these arrangements during the course of a financial year.

Overtime And Bonus Payments

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has of the tax revenue that would be lost if all overtime and bonus payments were made free of income tax.

Government Expenditure

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he expects to be able to reply to Question No. 40 of 14 February tabled by the hon. Member for Edinburgh West; and if he will publish the reply in the Official Report.

An answer will be given today to Question No. 40 of 14 February and it will be published in the Official Report.

Allowances

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will set out in tabular form the year-on-year increases and the year-on-year percentage increases in the single and married allowances and age allowances, single and married, since 1973–74.

Retirement Pensions

asked the Chanceller of the Exchequer what the cost would be to the Exchequer in a full fiscal year if the flat rate retirement pensions under the national insurance scheme were to become tax-free payments.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report 14 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 570], gave the following information:

The full year cost based on the latest available data would be about £590 million, at 1978–79 income levels. Retirement pension is here assumed to include the widow's pension paid to widows aged 60 to 65 but to exclude any addition to the basic pension.

Government Expenditure

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will clarify what is meant by the term "satisfactory balance of payments" in paragraph 32 of Cmnd. 7439; and, in particular, whether and on what scale it is assumed that (a) the current account and its components, namely, non-oil trade, oil trade and invisibles, are in deficit or surplus and (b) whether the capital account is assumed to be in deficit or surplus.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 15 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 637], gave the following information:In making the three illustrative projections for 1977–82 it was assumed that the balance of payments on current account should be in surplus at the end of the period. The projections were therefore constrained to produce current account surpluses in the range £0 billion to £1 billion in 1982, and private expenditure was varied until a balance in that range was achieved.In each case the surpluses on invisibles and oil trade, the latter the result of the increase in North Sea oil production, are partly offset by a deficit on goods other than oil. The projections were not carried through to a detailed construction of the external capital account, but the assumption is that the capital account is in rough balance so that the current account surplus is sufficient for some repayment of official foreign debt.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish estimates of the public sector deficit consistent with table 7 of Cmnd. No. 7439, in £ billion for 1977–78 and 1978–79 and as a percentage of gross domestic product.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 15 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 637], gave the following information:The public sector financial deficit consistent with table 7 of Cmnd. 7439 and on the same price basis as that table, is estimated at £6·0 billion in 1977–78 and £6·2 billion in 1978–79. In each year the estimated public sector financial deficit is equivalent to 4 per cent. of gross domestic product at market prices.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, for every £100 spent by the Government on each person resident in England, how much was spent on each person resident in Scotland for each of the years from 1960 to 1978; and if he will publish a table giving the relative figures and percentages for each year for each of the following subjects: the National Health Service, social work, education, arts, sport, housing, rents, local government, rate support grants, planning, water, new towns, the countryside, buses, roads, ferries, airports, passenger subsidies, land tenure, tourism, fire service, courts and administration of the criminal and civil law.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 14 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 569], gave the following information:The table below gives estimates of identifiable public expenditure per head

in Scotland and England for 1973–74 to 1977–78, consistent with those in the answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Gravesend (Mr. Ovenden) on 17 January 1979—[Vol. 960, c.

781–94]. That answer, which gives a full explanation of the term "identifiable public expenditure", notes that the estimates, which were compiled during the late summer of 1978, use the terms and classifications of the public expenditure White Paper "The Government's Expenditure Plans, 1978–79 to 1981–82", Cmnd. 7049 published in January 1978. Estimates on that basis are not available for England for earlier years; figures for Scotland for the years from 1969–70 will be published shortly in the Scottish abstract of statistics.

Public expenditure, and therefore the figures in the tables, includes spending by central Government and local authorities but transactions between them are excluded to avoid double counting. Thus central Government grants to local authorities, such as the rate support grants, and also loans, are excluded because the expenditure which they help to finance is included as public expenditure by the local authorities. Similarly, since public expenditure includes the capital expenditure of certain public corporations, including new town corporations, grants and loans to those corporations are excluded. The table, however, distinguishes identifiable public expenditure by local authorities and new towns.

IDENTIFIABLE PUBLIC EXPENDITURE PER HEAD IN SCOTLAND AND ENGLAND

Current prices

1973–74

1974–75

1975–76

1976–77

1977–78

Scotland

England

Scotland

England

Scotland

England

Scotland

England

Scotland

England

£££££

£ per head (as% of England

per head

£ per head (as% of England)

per head

£ per head (as% of England)

per head

£ per head (as% of England)

per head

£ per head (as% of England)

per head

Identifiable public expenditure by:
Central government306(126)243402(128)314521(128)408586(130)451654(129)508
Local authorities180(119)152241(112)215310(117)264332(118)282363(123)294
Certain public corporations:
New towns5(327)16(188)311(257)410(199)58(172)5
Other3(33)98(81)1013(118)1113(113)1212(117)10
Total identifiable public expenditure494(122)405657(121)542855(124)687942(126)7501,037(127)817
Of which:
Housing63(148)4392(118)78105(133)78108(123)88111(130)85
of which: Subsidies, rent rebates and allowances24(226)1133(179)1841(174)2346(155)2950(149)33
Health and personal social services74(117)63100(118)85136(121)113153(119)128175(122)143
of which: Health63(119)5384(120)70113(122)93127(120)106146(123)119
Personal social services10(110)914(113)1321(121)1724(121)2026(123)21
Education and libraries, science and arts95(120)79121(118)103157(120)130176(119)147189(121)157
of which: Education83(120)69109(120)91140(122)115157(122)129169(123)137
Arts1(102)11(94)12(110)22(115)22(115)2

Roads and transport29(118)2441(122)3350(129)3955(140)4060(156)39
of which: Motorways and trunk roads5(74)77(102)710(106)911(115)914(179)8
Local transport19(126)1523(114)2031(121)2633(124)2736(130)28
of which: Roads16(139)1118(146)1221(151)1422(150)1422(154)14
Public transport investment

*

(33)21(51)22(67)33(90)33(82)4
Concessionary fares1(192)

*

1(82)12(139)22(140)23(134)2
Passenger transport subsidies to British Rail Subsidies to bus, underground and ferry services1(180)

*

2(66)34(94)42(504)

*

3(493)1
2(43)42(63)3
Central government subsidies3(827)

*

1(171)11(283)

*

1(292)11(274)1
to transport industries of which: new bus grants

*

(237)

*

*

(10)

*

*

(159)

*

1(227)

*

1(136)

*

Civil aviation(—)11(94)13(154)22(193)12(299)1
Other environmental services32(115)2843(131)3363(141)4565(143)4675(158)47
ofwhich: Water services (other than land drainage and flood protection)9(124)712(166)718(187)1016(158)1017(176)9
Town and country plannng4(93)45(134)46(123)56(143)46(130)5
Recreation4(111)43(98)512(192)612(193)612(179)7
Tourism1(88)1

*

(159)

*

*

(253)

*

*

(288)

*

1(339)

*

Law, order and protective services**16(94)1721(100)2129(103)2832(101)3236100)36
of which: Courts, the administration of justice etc1(79)12(134)12(123)23(143)23(148)2
Fine services2(101)23(100)35(109)45(105)55(105)5
The figures are rounded independently to the nearest £1

* Less than £0.5 per head.

Provisional.

** Not all Home Office expenditure on Law, order and protective services is split between England and Wales.

Northern Ireland

Museum Service (Purchase Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what proposals he has for purchase grants for the museum services in Northern Ireland for 1979–80.

Republic Of Ireland

asked the Prime Minister when Her Majesty's Government agreed that the Government of the Republic of Ireland should approach the Home Department direct to discuss the internal affairs of the United Kingdom, such as Northern Ireland.

Contacts between Ministers and officials of Her Majesty's Government and those of the Government of the Republic of Ireland are made under the auspices of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

Internal Affairs

asked the Prime Minister how many foreign countries are able directly to approach Departments of Her Majesty's Government other than the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to discuss British internal affairs.

All foreign countries which maintain missions accredited to the Court of St. James's conduct their business with Ministers and officials of Her Majesty's Government under the auspices of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

National Economic Assessment

asked the Prime Minister, in the light of the statement in paragraph 27 of the joint statement by the TUC and the Government, dated February 1979, that there should be a national economic assessment by the Government and both sides of industry before Easter each year, and following his assurance to the hon. Member for Nottingham West (Mr. English) on 15 February that the first such assessment will take place in the current year, whether the 1979 assessment has yet begun; and when it will be completed; and when it will be placed before the House.

Discussions leading to the first national economic assessment will take place as soon as practicable; as the joint statement makes clear, it is the intention to complete the assessment before Easter. It is not yet possible to answer the last part of the hon. Member's question.

Scotland

Referendum

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when he intends to publish his estimate of the number of persons entitled to vote in the referendum in Scotland.

I shall make this information available before Parliament rises for the referendum recess.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to ensure that the referendum on the Scotland Act on 1 March can go ahead in the event of schools in Scotland, used as polling stations, being closed on that day as a result of industrial action.

I am watching this situation very closely. I cannot at this stage anticipate what industrial action might be taking place on 1 March but am encouraged by the recent statement that trade unions will not interfere with schools on that day. I am reluctant to believe that trade unions would seek to interfere with an exercise of democratic rights.

Sports Council (Budget)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what advice he has given to the Scottish Sports Council on the possibility of its underspending its 1978 budget.

None. The Council is well aware of the need to spend its grant in aid within the financial year for which it is made.

Council For Tertiary Education

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when he intends that a council for tertiary education in Scotland will be established, giving the approximate month and year.

An announcement about the membership of the council will be made very soon.

Expenditure (Strathclyde And Lothian Regions)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was spent per capita in each of the past 10 years from central Government funds in the Strathclyde and Lothian regions, respectively; if he will explain the reasons for the difference in such expenditure; and if he will break down these figures into particular areas of expenditure, including health, social work, education, arts, rents, housing, transport, passenger subsidies, local government, roads and ferries, planning, water, sport, land tenure, new towns, fire service, courts, administration of the criminal and civil laws, and the countryside.

Because figures are not maintained on a regional basis for the whole range of expenditure indicated and because of organisational and other changes over the period it is not possible to provide the information requested except at disproportionate cost.

Road Accidents

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many road accidents involving fatalities, injuries and damage to vehicles, respectively, took place in December 1978 to January 1979; what were the comparable figures in the same period in each of the previous three years; and if he will give separate figures for the Glasgow-Edinburgh trunk road.

I am arranging for the available information to be collected and shall write to the hon. Member as soon as possible.

Museum Service (Purchase Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proposals he has for purchase grants for the Scottish museum services for 1979–80, broken down to the individual grants.

I refer to the answer given to my hon. Friend, the Member for Dunfermline (Mr. Hunter), on 15 February.—[Vol. 962, c. 621.]

Munn And Dunning Committees

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is yet able to announce his intentions as to the reports of the Munn and Dunning committees.

I have today issued widely a circular giving my general reactions to the two reports and indicating my intention to institute a carefully controlled programme of further work and development. I have also caused to be published today by HMSO the report of the exploratory studies into the feasibility and costs of the proposals of the Munn and Dunning committees. Copies of my proposals for action and the feasibility study report have been placed in the Library.The next phase of development must be undertaken in full co-operation with local authorities, teachers associations and others who share a common interest in ensuring that the work will be soundly and securely based and conducted within an agreed framework. For that purpose I propose to set up a group representing the various interests to advise me. I am instructing my Department to undertake discussions with those concerned to that end.

Concessionary Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what guidance he is giving to local authorities on concessionary fares schemes.

My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Transport, my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Wales and I are today publishing a Green Paper, relating to the whole of Great Britain, setting out the Government's proposals for a national scheme providing a minimum half-fare concession off-peak on local transport for elderly, blind and disabled people. In Scotland, regional and islands authorities have made good progress in rationalising the schemes which they inherited on reorganisation. The Green Paper proposes to carry this rationalisation forward by introducing a mandatory national scheme to ensure that a minimum level of concession will be available everywhere. This will make possible a new element, transferable, which will mean that the minimum half-fare concession will be available for local journeys anywhere in Great Britain instead of being restricted, as now, to the area where the beneficiary lives. It is proposed that local authorities should be responsible for administering the national scheme but should be free to offer more generous concessions than the national minimum if they see fit to do so. I am now inviting local authorities and other interested bodies in Scotland to comment on these proposals.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the Government's plans for remedying the present statutory position in which local authorities in Scotland do not have clear powers to assist mentally handicapped people by means of general concessionary fares schemes.

I have been considering this matter since my attention was drawn to it by, among others, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. I shall shortly be introducing a Bill to provide the necessary powers and I am confident that this matter will be welcomed by all Members of the House.

Social Services

Health Authorities (Members' Personal Interests)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will set out in the Official Report the rules governing the personal interests, whether pecuniary, trade union or otherwise, of members of regional and area health authorities.

Regulation 14 of part III of the National Health Service (Regional and Area Health Authorities: Membership and Procedure) Regulations 1973 prescribes that:

" Disability of members in proceedings on account of pecuniary interests

14.—(1) Subject to the following provisions of this regulation, if a member has any pecuniary interest, direct or indirect, in any contract, proposed contract or other matter and is present at a meeting of the Authority at which the contract or other matter is the subject of consideration, he shall at the meeting and as soon as practicable after its commencement disclose the fact and shall not take part in the consideration or discussion of the contract or other matter or vote on any question with respect to it.

(2) The Secretary of State may, subject to such conditions as he may think fit to impose, remove any disability imposed by this regulation in any case in which it appears to him in the interests of the national health service that the disability should be removed.

(3) An Authority may by Standing Orders, made by virtue of regulation 13 of these regulations provide for the exclusion of a member from a meeting of the Authority while any contract, proposed contract or other matter in which he has a pecuniary interest, direct or indirect, is under consideration.

(4) Any remuneration, compensation or allowances payable to a chairman or other member by virtue of paragraph 9 of Schedule 1 to the Act of 1973 shall not be treated as a pecuniary interest for the purpose of this regulation.

(5) For the purposes of this regulation a member shall be treated, subject to paragraph (2) hereof and the next following paragraph, as having indirectly a pecuniary interest in a contract, proposed contract or other matter, if—

  • (a) he or a nominee of his is a member of a company or other body not being a public body, with which the contract was made or is proposed to be made or which has a direct pecuniary interest in the other matter under consideration; or
  • (b) he is a partner, or is in the employment of a person with whom the contract was made or is proposed to be made or who has a direct percuniary interest in the other matter under consideration
  • and in the case of married persons living together the interest of one spouse shall, if known to the other, be deemed for the purposes of this regulation to be also an interest of the other.

    (6) A member shall not be treated as having a pecuniary interest in any contract, proposed contract or other matter by reason only—

  • (a) of his membership of a company or other body if he has no beneficial interest in any securities of that company or other body;
  • (b) of an interest of his or of any company, body or person with which he is connected as mentioned in paragraph (5) of this regulation which is so remote or insignificant that it cannot reasonably be regarded as likely to influence a member in the consideration or discussion of or in voting on, any question with respect to that contract or matter.
  • (7) Where a member has an indirect pecuniary interest in a contract, proposed contract or other matter by reason only of a beneficial interest in securities of a company or other body, and the total nominal value of those securities does not exceed £1,000 or one-hundredth of the total nominal value of the issued share capital of the company or body, whichever is the less, and if the share capital is of more than one class, the total nominal value of shares of any one class in which he has a beneficial interest does not exceed one-hundredth of the total issued share capital of that class, this regulation shall not prohibit him from taking part in the consideration or discussion of the contract or other matter or from voting on any question with respect to it, without prejudice however to his duty to disclose his interest."

    Affiliation to a political party or trade union, and full-time employment with the latter, does not constitute a personal interest for the purposes of membership of health authorities. Nor does membership of this House, except where part II of schedule I to the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1957 applies to chairmen in receipt of regional or area health authority remuneration.

    Child Special Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many divorced mothers claim child special allowance; what is his estimate of the number eligible to benefit; and what plans he has to improve the take-up rate of this allowance.

    In 1978 there were 269 claims for child's special allowance, and 784 awards were in payment as at 31 December 1978. I am not aware of any problem about the rate of take-up but if my hon. Friend has any information on this point, perhaps he would write to me.

    Earnings Related Supplement

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his latest estimate of the number and percentage of people who receive earnings related supplement when they first become unemployed.

    The information is not available in the form requested, but on 11 May 1978, the latest date for which figures are available, earnings related supplement was in payment to 204,000 persons—38·8 per cent. of those receiving unemployment benefit. A further 147,000—28 per cent. of those receiving unemployment benefit—had received earnings related supplement during their current period of interruption of employment but had exhausted entitlement.

    Hospital Waiting Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average waiting list time for each of the main specialties at the Oldham and District general hospital and Huddersfield Royal infirmary.

    I regret that information on waiting times for admission to hospital is not available in the form requested. Average waiting times are misleading as admissions are arranged according to the circumstances of individual cases and patients needing emergency treatment are admitted without delay. North-Western and Yorkshire RHAs produce their information on waiting times for admission to hospital on different basis and at different times.At 31 January 1979, the number of patients awaiting admission to Oldham and district general hospital in each of the main specialties and the length of time they had been waiting were:

    SpecialtyUnder 3 months3–12 monthsOver 1 yearTotal
    General medicine11
    Paediatrics246
    Geriatrics112
    General surgery16512360348
    ENT17011560345
    Traumatic and orthopaedic22
    Ophthalmology112
    Gynaecology219199223641
    Total5584433461,347

    At the Huddersfield Royal infirmary the number of patients awaiting adimission

    Urgent Cases

    Non-Urgent Cases

    Specialty

    Total

    Waiting over one month

    Total

    Waiting over one year

    Total

    General MedicineNilNilNilNil
    General Surgery31339Nil342
    ENT5842907447965
    Traumatic and orthopaedicNilNil35217352
    OphthalmologyNilNil165Nil165
    Gynaecology1Nil43964440
    UrologyNliNil142Nil142
    Total62432,3445282,406

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people were waiting for hospital beds in the Dorset area on 1 January; and what were the numbers waiting at the same date in each of the past five years.

    The figures are:

    31 December 19746,692
    31 December 19757,702
    31 December 19767,313
    31 December 19776,933
    31 December 19786,500
    A comparable figure for 31 December 1973, which was prior to National Health Service reorganisation, is not readily available.

    Retirement Pensions

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many representations he has received regarding the shortfall in retirement pension uprating in November 1978 since the relevant earnings figures became available, showing up the shortfall; and what reply he has given.

    Since the earnings figures for November 1978 became available, my right hon. Friend and I have received some 20 representations concerning the pensions uprating in November 1978. We have replied in terms similar to those in which I replied to my hon. Friend's question on 17 January.—[Vol. 960, c. 777–5.]

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people of pensionable age do not receive a State pension because they have not contributed to the national insurance scheme.

    on 31 December 1978 was as follows:

    in this country who are not receiving a national insurance retirement pension. The majority of these are married women who will receive a retirement pension, based on their husbands' national insurance contributions, when their husbands retire. The number of people who have not contributed to the national insurance scheme is not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services at what unified age the present level of retirement pensions for men and women would be payable without altering the cost.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 12 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 401], gave the following information:On the assumption that the pattern of retirement in the five years after the new pension age would be the same as it is now in the five years after the present pension ages, it is estimated that a common pension age of 64¼for both men and women would involve no additional cost to central Government funds, with present pension levels.

    Prescriptions (Cost)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the average total cost per prescription dispensed for the years 1967, 1972 and 1977.

    The average gross cost per prescription dispensed by pharmacists in the family practitioner services in England was:

    Year ended 31 March
    196753p
    197276p
    1977£1·56

    Doctors

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what increase has taken place in the number of doctors working in the public sector since 1974.

    I refer my hon. Friend to my reply to the hon. Member for St. Marylebone (Mr. Baker) on 26 January 1979.—[Vol. 961, c. 282–4]. Between 1974 and 1977, the latest available year, the number of doctors in the public sector in Great Britain rose by 6 per cent.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what criteria he uses in deciding not to endorse a recommendation by a family practitioner committee that a financial penalty should be imposed on a doctor who has failed to comply with his terms of service.

    There are no predetermined criteria and each case is considered on its merits, taking into account all relevant factors including the gravity of the breach of the terms of service, any record of previous breaches, and any aggravating or mitigating aspects of the case. My right hon. Friend takes very carefully into account the recommendation of the family practitioner committee, and recognises that committees themselves make a careful appraisal of the relevant factors: but he also takes into account the need to see that there is a broad consistency, as between one family practitioner committee area and another, in the level of withholdings imposed in similar circumstances.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many complaints have been heard by the Coventry family practitioner committee alleging failure by doctors to conform with their terms of service in the past year; how many of these allegations have been upheld by the committee; on how many occasions a financial penalty has been recommended; and on how many occasions he has decided not to endorse such a recommendation.

    In the past year the Coventry family practitioner committee has investigated eight complaints alleging failure by doctors to conform with their terms of service. One allegation was upheld by the committee and in that case a financial penalty was recommended but was not endorsed by my right hon. Friend.

    Prednisolone

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what further action he proposes to take to deal with the increased cost to the National Health Service caused by prescribing Prednisolone treatment with pills that vary in cost from 62p through a range of comparable drugs at £2·26 and £7·77 up to £10·27, even though there is slight difference of pharmacological action.

    Under the National Health Service Act, a doctor is free to prescribe any drug which he feels is necessary for the proper treatment of a patient. Where doctors are satisfied that suitable alternative drugs are available for the treatment of a condition, they have been asked to have regard to their relative cost. The treatment to which my hon. Friend refers is treatment with cortiscosteroids. This is a potent group of drugs; the effects of different cortiscosteroids vary qualitatively as well as quantitatively, and my advice is that it may not be possible to substitute one steroid for another in equal therapeutic amounts without provoking unwanted effects. My Department regularly makes available to doctors information about the comparative costs of alternative versions of drugs but I am not persuaded that it would be advisable to draw specific attention to this group of drugs.

    Voltarol

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will place in the Library a copy of the protocol for the general practice trial of Voltarol (diclofenac) by Messrs. Geigy Pharmaceuticals which is currently in progress.

    I have placed a copy of the protocol for the general practice trial of Voltarol in the Library today.

    Non-Contributory Invalidity Pension

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will place in the Library a copy of the background papers and submissions which his Department makes to the National Insurance Advisory Committee in respect of the household duties test for non-contributory invalidity pension.

    I am seeking the views of the Committee's chairman on the question of the publication of material prepared for them and will write to my hon. Friend as soon as conclusions have been reached.

    Hearing Aids

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average waiting time in each health district in Kent between the first reference by a general practitioner of a patient requiring a hearing aid and the date by which that appliance is finally supplied.

    This information is not available in the form requested. The average waiting time in respect of each of the four centres supplying hearing aids in Kent, between referral by a general practitioner and the supply of hearing appliance, is as follows: Dartford four to four and a half months; Canterbury seven to eight months; Tunbridge Wells two to two and a half months; Maidstone 16 months. It is hoped that improvements being undertaken at Maidstone will reduce the waiting time to six months by the end of the summer. Moreover, I have asked the Kent area health authority to consider ways in which the waiting time in respect of the Canterbury centre might be improved.

    Private Medicine

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much money the independent health sector has contributed (a) towards the development of independent surgical hospitals and (b) to medical research for each year since 1970.

    Eraldin

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in detail the 589 other manifestations of Eraldin (practolol)-induced illnesses, as contained in the answer to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Yardley's question, Official Report, 14 December 1978, column 231.

    The 589 references to other manifestations of Eraldin (practolol)-induced illnesses referred to in my reply to my hon. Friend's question on 13 December 1978—[Vol. 960, c. 231–2]—were as follows:

    505references to lacrimal gland disorders
    24to Lupus Erythematosus Syndrome
    12to Abnormal Lupus Erythematosus Test
    17to Pleural Effusion
    25to Pleural Fibrosis
    4to Pulmonary Fibrosis
    2to Fibrosing Alveolitis
    Most of these suspected reactions occurred before or during 1974 when a possible association with Eraldin was first recognised.

    Bulk Purchasing

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what plans he has to introduce national bulk purchasing in the National Health Service; and what consideration he has given to the dangers in such a proposal that inappropriate specialised equipment may be purchased by officials who are not responsible for its use.

    We are at present considering the recommendations made in the report of the supply board working group which we discussed recently at a conference with regional health authorities' chairmen and other NHS personnel. The principal recommendation was that there should be a supply council or some other authoritative body to determine supply policies for the National Health Service. It would be for such a body to consider any extension of national purchasing and in doing so to have regard to the dangers that the hon. Member has in mind.

    Alcohol Addiction

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) how many people in the area served by the North-West regional health authority were treated for alcohol addiction in the years 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1978;(2) how many people in the area served by the Yorkshire regional health authority were treated for alcohol addiction in the years 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1978.

    Following are the numbers of patients admitted to mental illness hospitals and units with a primary or secondary diagnosis of alcoholism or alcoholic psychosis:

    19751976
    North-Western RHA1,2701,423
    Yorkshire RHA9391,025

    Figures for 1977 and 1978 are not yet available. Nor are figures available in respect of hospital out-patients or people treated in the community, for example by general practitioners, social workers and voluntary organisations.

    Bodyscanners

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many body-scanners are in use in National Health Service hospitals, by region; and how many were funded by the National Health Service and how many privately funded.

    The general purpose scanners in use are listed below. Four were wholly funded by the National Health Service, 10 were privately funded in whole or in part and one is on loan by the manufacturer. A further seven are awaiting delivery.

    North-West Thames4
    North-East Thames3
    South-East Thames2
    South-West Thames1
    South Western1
    West Midlands2
    North Western2
    15

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if his Department ever makes any investigations to ensure gifts to the National Health Service by private donors are not organised as a marketing exercise by the manufacturers; and if he will make a statement in respect of bodyscanners.

    My Department, when consulted, investigates proposed gifts of medical equipment, including general purpose scanners, to ensure that they are technically suitable for the intended use. I know of no occasion when the manufacturers concerned have not acted with propriety.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has received any representations from community health councils about the funding arrangements of bodyscanners in National Health Service hospitals.

    I am aware of only one such approach. The funding of bodyscanners is a matter for health authorities within the financial resources available to them.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied that the bodyscanners in use in National Health Service hospitals are the most up to date available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his policy in respect of replacing capital equipment such as body scanners which have been privately funded in National Health Service hospitals.

    The general purpose scanners privately funded in National Health Service hospitals are recent acquisitions and the question of replacement will not arise for some years. When it does, whether in respect of these or any other types of equipment, it will be for health authorities to consider.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the capital cost to the National Health Service of a bodyscanner; and what is the annual revenue expenditure.

    The capital cost of a general purpose scanner varies from £250,000 to £400,000 depending on the manufacturer and the technical features required; the annual revenue expenditure ranges from approximately £60,000 to £80,000 according to the type and extent of usage.

    Medical Equipment (Revenue Implications)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if his Department issues any guidelines to area and regional health authorities about the revenue implications of equipment they may be offered free of capital charges.

    No. It is for the health authorities to decide how to use the revenue resources allocated to them within the framework of their policies and priorities.

    Hospitals (Staff)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many staff employed in National Health Service hospitals are currently engaged on domestic services, housekeeping services, home warden services, laundry services and ancillary services; if he will express this as a percentage of the total staff employed; and what is the cost of these staff to the latest convenient date.

    172,800 whole-time equivalents were employed in the ancillary staff council grades in the NHS in England at 30 September 1977. They comprised 21·6 per cent. of the total staff employed and their cost for the year 1977–78 was £548 million.

    Medical Equipment (Shortages)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report the items of medical equipment in National Health Service hospitals of which a shortage has been reported to him; and what is the current cost of such items.

    Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the total cost of social services and the Health Service during 1978; and how this compares with 1973.

    Expenditure on health and personal social services for the calendar year 1978 is not available. The Government expenditure plans, set out in Cmnd. 7439, indicate a total of £23,594 million planned public expenditure at survey 1978 prices on health and personal social services—£8,233 million—and social security—£15,361 million—in Great Britain in 1978–79. The comparable figure for 1973–74 on the same price base is £18,987 million (Health and Personal Social Services—£7,416 million, Social Security—£11,571 million.) Income from charges for health and personal social services raises these figures to £23,940 million—estimated—in 1978–79 and to £19,312 million in 1973–74.

    Census Test

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he can add to the statement which was made, Official Report, 3 August 1978, column 670, about the census test which is to be held at Haringey in April 1979.

    The test is to be held on Sunday 1 April 1979; this date avoids bank holidays and other local events. Two forms are to be tested and I am arranging for copies to be placed in the House of Commons Library.

    Benefits (Industrial Disputes)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) whether it is the practice for the Supplementary Benefits Commisson to see union membership files or membership cards for the purposes of determining who is receiving strike pay; and whether benefit can be refused if such information is unreasonably withheld;(2) whether and in what circumstances the Supplementary Benefits Commission assumes that an income tax rebate has been made to a striker, even if it has no proof that such a rebate has been made;(3) what would have been the estimated extra cost to the Supplementary Benefits Commission in 1977 or in the latest year for which figures are available of disregarding income tax rebates in assessing supplementary benefit entitlement for strikers and their families.(4) what proportion of supplementary benefit expenditure on strikes in 1977 or in the latest year for which figures are available was in respect of rent and rates only;(5) whether he will publish the terms of reference governing the present review team inquiry into the payment of supplementary benefit during trade disputes as well as its membership; when the report is expected to be ready; and whether he will publish it;(6) whether, as a consequence of the Supplementary Benefits Commission contributing towards the rent and rates paid by strikers' families, any money was paid to his Department from local authorities in England and Wales under the central accounting arrangements in the financial year 1977–78 or the latest year for which figures are available; and whether he will set out the amount involved;(7) whether the Supplementary Benefits Commission has the power to give heating allowances or to make discretionary payments to strikers' families; and, if so, how much money was so expended in 1977 or in the latest year for which figures are available.

    (8) how much of the supplementary benefit expenditure on strikers' families in 1977 was in respect of wives and how many wives benefited; how much of the same expenditure in 1977 was in respect of children; and how many children were involved;

    (9) what has been the average weekly payment by way of national assistance and supplementary benefit to strikers' dependants in each year from 1970.

    (10) whether he will estimate the number of strikers involved in disputes since 1970 which were long enough to make them or their families eligible for supplementary benefit; and if he will estimate the number who actually received benefit.

    (11) whether a striker who is paid monthly has his income tax rebate set against the supplementary benefit entitlement of his family for the limited period of one month; whether a striker who is paid weekly has his rebates set against the supplementary benefit entitlement of his family for the limited period of one week; and whether the same rules apply to the striker who is drawing supplementary benefit for himself alone.

    Supplementary Benefit (Allowances)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will announce the updating of clothing and other allowances coming within the scope of supplementary benefits.

    A revised national price list, on which exceptional needs payment for clothing are based, will be issued shortly. The rates of heating and dietary additions were increased last November.

    Surgical Footwear

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has received a report by the social survey division of the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys on patient satisfaction with National Health Service surgical footwear; and if he will make a statement.

    I am very pleased to announce that I have received this report by Sheila Bainbridge, which is being published by HMSO today.

    In the survey, which was commissioned by my Department, patients were asked for their opinions of surgical footwear which had been supplied to them under the National Health Service, and of the supply arrangements, 82 per cent. of the patients were satisfied with their footwear and 87 per cent. were satisfied with the supply arrangements. The supply of made-to-measure surgical footwear, often for people with seriously deformed or painful feet is a difficult task and I am glad to learn that the general level of satisfaction with the service appears to be high.

    Nevertheless, the report sets out a number of criticisms of surgical footwear and the supply arrangements. My Department will be studying these in the light of comments from interested bodies, including some representing disabled people. There is certainly room for further improvement in the service and, as I explain below, certain actions have already been taken or are under way.

    Many patients said that not enough pairs of footwear had been provided for them. Normally hospitals provide two pairs of footwear initially and replace them a pair at a time when necessary. However, we have now advised health authorities to regard the issue of two pairs as a minimum and to provide a third pair where needed.

    Other criticisms concerned the standard of comfort and the durability of surgical footwear. My Department is represented on and works closely with the Training Council for Orthotists to raise the level of measuring and fittings skills. We also work closely with the British Standards Institution on a standard method of taking and recording foot measurements. At the same time, we are co-operating with the relevant industry training board in devising a suitable training scheme for surgical shoemakers with the aim of improving the supply of craftsmen to the industry.

    As regards the appearance and function of surgical footwear, my Department is sponsoring a design competition organised by the Shoe and Allied Trades Research Association which it is hoped will produce styles which are more attractive whilst still fulfilling the essential orthopaedic requirements. Hospitals and suppliers have also been asked to pay particular attention to the difficulty some disabled people have with traditional shoe fastenings and to incorporate zip or touch-and-close fasteners or other aids.

    The report also refers to the problem of delay in the supply of footwear. This is a matter which my Department will continue to pursue strenuously both with health authorities and the suppliers.

    Electroconvulsive Therapy

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied that patients are fully informed of possible harmful side effects of electro-convulsive therapy before agreeing to treatment.

    The Royal College of Psychiatrists' recent memorandum on the use of ECT indicates that it is a medical responsibility to ensure that the patient is given an explanation of the procedure, benefits and possible dangers of ECT and that the doctor and patient should sign to the effect that such explanation has been given. I have no reason to believe that this recommended procedure is not being followed, but I am financing a study to obtain detailed knowledge of present practice.

    Trade

    Export Earnings

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what percentage of export earnings was obtained by manufactured exports in 1978, 1977, 1976, 1975 and 1974.

    Exports of manufactured goods as a proportion of total exports of goods and services and receipts of interest, profits and dividends are given in the table below. Full information is not yet available for 1978, but an estimate is given based on partial data.

    percentage
    197452
    197554
    197654
    197755
    197855*
    * estimate
    Balance of Payments BasisManufactured goods: SITC(R2) to 8 Sections 5 to 8

    Imports (Manufactured Goods)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what has been the percentage increase in manufacturers' imports into the United Kingdom in each of the past five years; and what has been the value of those imports in each of the past five years.

    Following is the information for imports of manufactured goods:

    IMPORTS OF MANUFACTURED GOODS*
    Value £m cifPercentage change on previous year
    197412034+33
    197512965+7½
    197617170+32
    197721611+26
    197826010+20
    *SITC (R2), Sections 5 to 8.

    Exports Of Manufactured Goods (International Comparisons)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade (1) what share of world exports of manufactured goods France, the Federal Republic of Germany, Japan and the United States of America took in 1964; and what they took in 1978;(2) what share of world exports in manufactured goods the United Kingdom took in 1964; and what it took in 1978.

    Shares in world exports of manufactured goods are normally measured as a percentage of main manufacturing countries exports of manufactured goods in value terms. The figures for 1964 and 1977—the latest full year for which complete information is available—are given below. Such information as is available for 1978 suggests that the United Kingdom probably at least maintained the share achieved in 1977.

    PERCENTAGE SHARES IN MAIN MANUFACTURING COUNTRIES EXPORTS OF MANUFACTURED GOODS
    19641977
    United Kingdom14·29·3
    France8·79·9
    Federal Republic of Germany19·420·7
    Japan8·215·4
    USA21·515·7
    Source: Table C2 of the "Monthly Review of External Trade Statistics" (January 1979)

    Patents (Regional Filing Offices)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will agree to the establishment of regional filing offices for the lodging of patent documents in view of the recommendations to that effect by the joint working party of the Patent Office and the Chartered Institute of Patent Agents.

    This is a matter which is now being considered and I hope to announce my decision shortly.

    Malta

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade (1) if he will make a statement on the position of trade between the United Kingdom and Malta, with specific reference to textiles;(2) what are the present trading arrangements between Malta and the EEC; and if he will make a statement.

    Trading arrangements between Malta and the EEC including the United Kingdom are covered by an association agreement of 5 December 1970 according certain privileged access to the imports of the contracting parties to each other's markets,The United Kingdom is the major supplier of Malta's imports supplying some £69 million worth of goods in 1978; and Malta's largest customer, imports from Malta into the United Kingdom in 1978 being £39 million.As regards trade in textiles, although negotiations between the Commission and the Maltese are still continuing, I have nothing to add to my reply to the hon. Member for Harrow, Central (Mr. Grant) on 23 January.

    European Community (Anti-Dumping Procedures)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will make a statement on the anti-dumping procedures operated by the EEC; and how long it takes the EEC on average to process an application.

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade how many applications under the anti-dumping legislation are awaiting a decision under the existing EEC anti-dumping procedures with particular reference to textiles.

    Twelve applications which have been announced for full investigation under EEC anti-dumping regulations are currently awaiting a decision. The only one of these which in-voles textiles is polyamide and polyester high tenacity yarn for specialised industrial use from the United States.

    Textiles

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will now seek information as to what extent British textile manufacturers are themselves importers of textiles.

    Cutlery

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will now seek information as to what extent British cutlery manufacturers are themselves importers of cutlery.

    Shoes

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will now seek information as to what extent British shoe manufacturers are themselves importing shoes.

    Machine Tools

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will now seek information as to what extent British manufacturers of machine tools also act as machine tool importers.

    Import Substitution

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade how many people in his Department are engaged in work connected with achieving import substitution; and towards which particular sectors or products they are currently directing their efforts.

    Import Penetration (Target Levels)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will list the target levels for import penetration set by the National Economic Development Council sector working parties, or any other target levels for import penetration towards which he is working.

    Small Importers (Assistance)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will take steps to assist importers, particularly small importers, to meet the hardship arising from increased demurrage charges accrued at the ports during the road hauliers' strike.

    No. Demurrage charges are a commercial matter between the port authorities and importers concerned. However, I understand that port authorities are generally prepared to consider representations from persons who feel they have been charged unfairly.

    China

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will make a statement about the Government's trade negotiations with the People's Republic of China, with particular reference to the desire of the Government of China to increase its textile exports to the West and to EEC countries including the United Kingdom in order to help pay for its imports of manufactured goods and technology.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 13 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 493–4], gave the following information:Negotiations are in progress towards a United Kingdom—China economic cooperation agreement which envisages a significant expansion of two-way trade. The EEC Commission is discussing with the Chinese authorities the limitation of textile products into the Community. I am confident that the Chinese authorities appreciate that arrangements for textile imports must be governed broadly by MFA principles.

    Polymer Plastics

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what action he is taking along with his fellow EEC Ministers to limit the import of cheap polymer plastics into Western Europe.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 14 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 585–86], gave the following information:I have not had any approach from the United Kingdom industry on this matter and am not considering any such action. But I understand that the Association of Plastics Manufacturers in Europe (AMPE) will be having discussions with Commissioner Davignon and EEC Commission officials on 19 February.

    Motor Cars

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade (1) how many British cars were exported to Russia in 1978; what percentage this was of the Russian car market; how many cars were imported from Russia; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(2) how many British cars were exported to Italy in 1978; what percentage this was of the Italian car market; how many cars were imported from Italy; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(3) how many British cars were exported to West Germany in 1978; what percentage this was of the German car market; how many cars were imported from West Germany; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(4) how many British cars were exported to the United States of America in 1978; what percentage this was of the American car market; how many cars were imported from the United States of America; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(5) how many British cars were exported to France in 1978; what percentage this was of the French car market; how many French cars were imported; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(6) how many British cars were exported to Sweden in 1978; what percentage this was of the Swedish car market; how many cars were imported from Sweden; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(7) how many British cars were exported to Spain in 1978; what percentage this was of the Spanish car market; how many cars were imported from Spain; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(8) how many British cars were exported to South Africa in 1978; what percentage this was of the South African car market; and how many cars were imported from South Africa;(9) how many British cars were collectively exported to Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland and East Germany in 1978; what percentage this was of their collective car market; how many cars were imported from those countries; and what help he is giving to the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to those countries in the current year;(10) how many British cars were exported to Yugoslavia and Romania in 1978; what percentage this was of their car market; how many cars were imported from them; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to those countries in the current year;(11) how many British cars were exported to South America in 1978; what percentage this was of the South American car market; how many cars were imported from South America; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(12) how many British cars were exported to Belgium in 1978; what percentage this was of the Belgian car market; how many cars were imported from Belgium; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that country in the current year;(13) how many British cars were exported to Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Egypt in 1978; what percentage this was of their combined car market; how many cars were imported from these countries; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to those countries in the current year;(14) how many British cars were exported to Africa, excluding the North African states and South Africa, in 1978; what percentage this was of that car market; how many cars were imported from that area; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to that area in the current year;(15) how many British cars were exported to Japan in 1978; what percentage this is of the Japanese car market; how many cars were imported from Japan; and what help he is giving the British car industry markedly to increase its sales to Japan in the current year.

    , pursuant to his replies [Official Report, 12 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 408–10, and Official Report, 15 February 1979; Vol. 962, c. 614–15], gave the following information:Figures of the numbers of cars exported from the United Kingdom and imported into the United Kingdom in 1978 are given in the table below. Corresponding information on the penetration of the various overseas markets is not available. There is relatively little comparable information of this kind readily available. An approximate measure of penetration is provided by the ratio of the number of United Kingdom new cars exported to the number of registrations of new cars. This measure is only approximate because of,

    inter alia, timing and coverage differences in the figures of exports and registrations; however, the estimates are considered to provide a reasonably broad guide to penetration levels. The estimates are given, where available, in the table below, in respect of 1977, the latest year for which figures of new car registrations are available.

    On the final part of the questions, during the current year my Department will continue to provide the car industry with information about business opportunities and longer-term prospects arising in overseas markets including those to which my hon. Friend has referred. We shall also continue to monitor foreign regulations likely to affect our exports to particular markets and make representations on behalf of the industry when appropriate. Specifically, we have supported, or expect to support, the industry in its overseas marketing efforts in 1979 by assisting its participation in international

    UK TRADE IN CARS, 1978(1)

    Numbers of Exports to

    Numbers of Imports from

    Approximate UK(2) share of overseas car markets in 1977

    Russia4717998N.A.
    Italy8959102036¾ per cent
    West Germany18178209871½ per cent
    USA561932332½ per cent
    France15304149723¾ per cent
    Sweden1489280802 per cent
    Spain29426744less than 1/10 per cent
    South Africa4552011719 per cent
    Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland and East Germany38315167N.A.
    Yugoslavia and Romania7872N.A.
    South America413018N.A.
    Belgium/Luxembourg11519735242½ per cent
    Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Egypt542814N.A.
    Africa (excluding North African states and South Africa)1439525N.A.
    Japan3393168192less than 1/10 per cent

    (1) Source: UK Overseas Trade Statistics. SITC (REV2) Code 781.0, covers new and used cars.

    (2) Source: Approximate estimates, defined as the ratio of UK exports of new cars to registrations of new cars.

    UK exports of new cars: Overseas Trade Statistics

    Registrations of new cars: United Nations Monthly Bulletin of Statistics.

    N.A.—Not Available.

    Transport

    Driving Examiners (West Midlands)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will consider employing more driving examiners in the West Midlands, in the light of long delays being imposed on candidates for driving tests.

    Yes. The Department is currently seeking to recruit 25 examiners for employment at L driving test centres in the West Midland traffic area.

    Evesham Bypass

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress has been made on the research into alternative routes for the Evesham bypass currently being prepared for the consultation process.

    exhibitions in Chicago, Los Angeles, Malmo, Belgrade and Tokyo. In addition, the Department provides considerable help to exporters of vehicles other than cars, and of components and accessories. For example, we expect in 1979 to support accessory exporters at another eight international exhibitions, and, in addition, special help is given to manufacturers of mechanical components in identifying and following up European sales opportunities.

    Reasonable progress is being made towards the identification of alternative viable routes for this bypass. There is still much to be done to ensure that sufficient information on possible routes and their likely effect on the environment will be available to the public when they are invited to give their views as part of the consultation process.

    Traffic Signals

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will publish figures showing the relative effectiveness in the prevention of accidents to pedestrians of pedestrian-controlled traffic stop lights and pelican flashing lights.

    Pelican crossings replaced the old type pedestrian-controlled traffic signal crossing because they are better suited to modern traffic conditions. Apart from a few installations that have not yet been converted, signals of the old type are used mainly to meet very special requirements, where a pelican crossing would be unsuitable. Available accident figures do not distinguish between the two types of crossing.

    Advanced Passenger Train

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on his latest discussions with British Railways concerning the funding costs for the advanced passenger train.

    I have had no recent discussions because the costs of the three prototype advanced passenger trains are being met by British Rail in the same way as its other capital investment projects.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what funds have been committed by Her Majesty's Government specifically to British Railways for research and development of the advanced passenger train; and what is the latest expected date of entry into commercial service by British Railways of the advanced passenger train.

    The Government are meeting half the cost of British Rail's £10 million research and development work for the advanced passenger train and the first of the three prototypes now being constructed and tested is expected to enter commercial service later this year.

    Main Line Electrification

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on his Department's policy towards authorising further main line electrification by British Railways.

    As I told my hon. Friend, the Member for Newham, South (Mr. Spearing) on 24 May last year, a study of the case for a programme of main line electrification is being carried out by a joint steering group of my Department and the British Railways Board.—[Vol. 950, c. 590] While the review is in progress I shall consider any specific schemes which the Railways Board puts to me in the normal way.

    Concessionary Fares (Elderly And Disabled)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he has yet completed his consideration of a national concessionary fares scheme for elderly and disabled people.

    The Government believe that the time has come to provide a national scheme of concessionary fares for elderly, blind and disabled people. Such a scheme will not only be socially valuable but can ensure that better use is made of existing public transport.The Government's proposals are set out in a Green Paper which has been published today. Copies are available in the Vote Office.At present, some 40 local authorities still have no schemes at all and many more have schemes less generous than the Government have recommended. The Government propose that the national scheme should operate in parallel with those existing schemes which offer to local residents more generous provision than the proposed national minimum.There are two major new elements in our proposal which will be widely welcomed—the inclusion of local journeys by rail and the provision that concessions should apply for local journeys anywhere in Great Britain, on the principle of "transferability".Legislation will be necessary to establish the scheme and I would hope to introduce it in the next Session of Parliament. However, the extent to which the cost of the scheme exceeds present provision means that the date of its commencement must depend upon a satisfactory climate for public expenditure.The Government will consult widely on the basis of the Green Paper, and particularly on administrative aspects. My colleagues and I will welcome comments which should be received as soon as possible and certainly before the end of May.

    Environment

    Location Of Offices

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what progress has been made by the Location of Offices Bureau in attracting firms to move to the partnership areas of inner London.

    The bureau is finding some interest among firms in locations in inner London. Only one firm so far has moved to a partnership area with the bureau's help, but in view of the time taken in planning a move it is not yet possible to judge the effect fully.

    Rates

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his estimate of total revenue this year from local authority rates levied on private householders; and what percentage increase in income tax would be necessary to make good the loss if rates were replaced by a local income tax.

    I estimate that the total revenue from domestic rates in England and Wales in 1978–79 will be about £2,160 million, net of rate rebates. To raise this amount from personal income tax would increase income tax liability for England and Wales by about 12 per cent.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what was the average sum paid per hereditament in the London borough of Westminster in respect of general, water and sewerage rates for the financial years 1976–77, 1977–78 and 1978–79;(2) what was the average sum paid per hereditament in the city of Portsmouth in respect of general, water and sewerage rates for the financial years 1976–77, 1977–78 and 1978–79;(3) what was the average sum paid per hereditament in the Borough of Medina in the Isle of Wight in respect of general, water and sewerage rates for the financial years 1976–77, 1977–78 and 1978–79.

    The estimated average local authority rate payment per domestic hereditament for each rating authority is shown in the annual publications of the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy, namely "Return of rates and rates levied per head of population, 1976/77", and "Financial, General and Rating Statistics, 1977–78 and 1978–79", copies of which are in the Library. The additional average payments per domestic hereditament in respect of water and sewerage charges were:

    £
    London Borough of WestminsterCity of PortsmouthMedina, Isle of Wight
    1976/7743·229·722·7
    1977/7845·833·129·7
    1978/7948·334·633·2

    Water Authorities (Boundary Adjustment)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now make a decision on the proposals for boundary adjustments between the Welsh National Water Development Authority and the North-West Water Authority following the representations made to him by Ellesmere Port and Neston borough council following the public inquiry held in Neston on 5 September 1978.

    The inspector's report has been received and is under consideration. A decision will be made shortly.

    Rent Arrears

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he is satisfied with the practices of all local authorities in relation to the collection, or attempted collection, of rent arrears from the wives of local authority tenants following the breakdown of marriage; and what action he proposes.

    Local authority practices in the recovery of rent arrears are essentially a matter for them. But the Department's circular 78/77 and the Housing Services Advisory Group's report on the housing of one-parent families already advise them not to press for recovery of arrears from anyone other than the tenant who is actually responsible for them.

    Local Government Commissioner (Powers)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether, in the light of the report No. 4692H, September 1977 and further report, August 1978 "Complainant against the Borough of Christchurch", he remains satisfied that the Local Government Commissioner has adequate powers to compel local authorities to comply with recommendations made in reports or with "Further Reports" under section 31(2) of the Local Government Act 1974; what action he proposes to take; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply given on 14 December 1978 by my right hon. Friend to my hon. Friend, the Member for Aldridge-Brownhills (Mr. Edge).—[Vol. 960, c. 296.]

    Local Government Employees

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish figures showing the number of local government employees in each year since 1960, and distinguishing between manual workers, teachers, social services, planning staff and so forth.

    The attached table gives the combined totals of full and part-time employees in local authorities in England and Wales, including police, for the period since 1960. The numbers of police civilians, traffic wardens, police

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1978 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1978)
    (1) Full Time(2) Part Time(3) Totals
    Service(i) Actual(ii) Full Time Equivalents of (i)Full Time and Full Time Equivalent
    Education—Lecturers and teachers
    —Others104,318412,338169,059273,377
    Construction121,243412169121,412
    Transport18,12930312418,253
    Social Servic49,090149,82961,430110,520
    Public Libraries and museums2,9455,2562,1555,100
    Recreation, parks and baths57,40317,5157,18164,584
    Environmental health7,6951,8837728,467
    Refuse collection and disposal45,91925810646,025
    Housing10,5139,4393,87014,383
    Town and Country Planning999112461,045
    Fire Service—Regular
    —Others1,5621,6656832,245
    Miscellaneous Services63,81338,66315,85279,665
    TOTAL483,629637,673261,447745,076
    Police—All Ranks
    —Cadets
    —Civilians7,5576,4932,66210,219
    —Traffic Wardens
    Agency Staff9411949143
    Magistrates Courts163783321484
    Probation Staff—Officers
    —Others47623255302
    TOTAL including (CP)491,490645,691264,734756,224
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)6,300118486,348
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)485,190645,573264,686749,876

    cadets, agency, magistrates' courts and probation staffs were not covered in surveys prior to 1975 and are therefore excluded from the table in order to provide a broadly comparable set of figures:

    Mid June

    Thousand

    19601,532
    19611,576
    19621,638
    19631,697
    19641,772
    19651,827
    19661,919
    19672,001
    19682,069
    19692,124
    19702,162
    19712,234
    19722,340
    19732,454
    19742,443
    19752,556
    19762,574
    19772,556
    19782,568

    A detailed breakdown by main service category identifying separately manual and non-manual workers in all local authority services for the period June 1975 to June 1978 is attached. Figures in this form are not available before 1975.

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES NON-MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1978 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1978)
    (1) Full Time(2) Part Time(3) Totals(Full Time and Full Time Equivalent)

    Service

    (i) Actual(ii) Full Time Equivalents of (i)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers534,741141,77829,316564,057
    —Others109,22883,99344,516153,744
    Construction15,370924915,419
    Transport4,24259314,273
    Social Services84,87012,6166,68691,556
    Public Libraries and museums22,14110,3465,48327,624
    Recreation, parks and baths15,0052,8951,53416,539
    Environmental health13,40725313413,541
    Refuse collection and disposal3,78030163,796
    Housing31,5332,5331,34232,875
    Town and Country Planning21,34247825321,595
    Fire Service—Regular32,10032,100
    —Others2,8752411283,003
    Miscellaneous Services183,1719,6565,118188,289
    TOTAL1,073,805264,97094,6061,168,411
    Police—All Ranks107,875107,875
    —Cadets2,0402,040
    —Civilians22,6721,42575523,427
    —Traffic Wardens4,8034,803
    Agency Staff24712566313
    Magistrates Courts6,7817493977,178
    Probation Staff—Officers4,895130694,964
    —Others3,0841,1265973,681
    TOTAL (including JCP)1,226,202268,52596,4901,322,692
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)3,00878413,049
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)1,223,194268,44796,4491,319,643

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1977 (REVISED JUNE 1978)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers
    —Others107,774414,485169,939277,713
    Construction121,713427175121,888
    Transport18,15830912718,285
    Social Services48,980144,10059,081108,061
    Public Libraries and museums3,0125,1812,1245,136
    Recreation, parks and baths56,54016,0516,58163,121
    Environmental health7,7592,0348348,593
    Refuse collection and disposal45,9242319546,019
    Housing10,3458,9763,68014,025
    Town and Country Planning64310141684
    Fire Service—Regular
    —Others1,6201,6296682,288
    Miscellaneous Services64,17939,21716,07980,258
    TOTAL486,647632,741259,424746,071
    Police—All Ranks
    —Cadets
    —Civilians7,5916,3842,61710,208
    —Traffic Wardens
    Agency Staff43763174
    Magistrates Courts169706289458
    Probation Staff—Officers
    —Others63601246309
    TOTAL (including JCP)494,513640,508262,607757,120
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)6,257526,259
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)488,256640,503262,605750,861

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES NON-MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1977 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1978)
    (1) Full Time(2) Part Time (3) Totals (Full Time and Full Time Equivalent)

    Service

    (i) Actual(ii) Full Time Equivalents of (i)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers532,748136,50829,506562,254
    —Others109,98281,39443,139153,121
    Construction14,935975114,986
    Transport4,15572384,193
    Social Services82,70911,5566,12588,834
    Public Libraries and museums22,2329,9595,27827,510
    Recreation, parks and baths14,4062,5351,34415,750
    Environmental health13,48323712613,609
    Refuse collection and disposal3,62036193,639
    Housing30,1922,3231,23131,423
    Town and Country Planning21,38648425721,643
    Fire Service—Regular32,49832,498
    —Others2,9362301223,058
    Miscellaneous Services187,2169,5635,068192,284
    TOTAL1,072,498254,99492,3041,164,802
    Police—All Ranks109,338109,338
    —Cadets2,8222,822
    —Civilians22,7741,40174323,517
    —Traffic Wardens5,5445,544
    Agency Staff1588344202
    Magistrates Courts6,6367463957,031
    Probation Staff—Officers4,883126674,950
    —Others3,0519725153,566
    TOTAL (including JCP)1,227,704258,32294,0681,321,772
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)3,637213,638
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)1,224,067258,32094,0671,318,134

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1978 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1978)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers
    —Others112,992414,419169,912282,904
    Construction127,095503206127,310
    Transport18,76333013518,898
    Social Services49,840141,29257,930107,770
    Public Libraries and museums3,1825,3372,1885,370
    Recreation, parks and baths57,45215,8216,48763,939
    Environmental health7,9612,1458798,840
    Refuse collection and disposal46,4282289346,521
    Housing9,8748,2483,38213,256
    Town and Country Planning3538535388
    Fire Service—Regular
    —Others1,8101,5076182,428
    Miscellaneous Services66,30540,21216,48782,792
    TOTAL502,055630,127258,352760,407
    Police—All Ranks
    —Cadets
    —Civilians7,5786,3802,61610,194
    —Traffic Wardens
    Agency Staff39381655
    Magistrates Courts181668274455
    Probation Staff—Officers
    —Others38569233271
    TOTAL (including JCP)509,891637,782261,491771,382
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)3,1262083,134
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)506,765637,762261,483768,248

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1976 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1977)
    (1) Full Time(2) Part Time(3) Totals (Full Time and Full Time Equivalent)

    Service

    (i)Actual(ii) Full Time Equivalents of (i)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers527,935144,60132,286560,221
    —Others109,55580,99642,928152,483
    Construction14,824985214,876
    Transport4,13354294,162
    Social Services80,83510,5505,59286,427
    Public Libraries and museums22,1889,7355,16027,348
    Recreation, parks and baths13,9802,3361,23815,218
    Environmental health13,46523412413,589
    Refuse collection and disposal3,51027143,524
    Housing30,4432,1431,13631,579
    Town and Country Planning21,60152327721,878
    Fire Service—Regular32,56832,568
    —Others2,9812151143,095
    Miscellaneous Services193,33210,3435,482198,814
    TOTAL1,071,350261,85594,4321,165,782
    Police—All Ranks108,473108,473
    —Cadets3,9783,978
    —Civilians22,9971,46677723,774
    —Traffic Wardens6,0566,056
    Agency Staff2038042245
    Magistrates Courts6,5167203826,898
    Probation Staff—Officers4,949115615,010
    —Others3,1427724093,551
    TOTAL (including JCP)1,227,664265,00896,1031,323,767
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)1,16227141,176
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)1,226,502264,98196,0891,322,591

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1975 (REVISED SEPTEMBER 1976)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers
    —Others117,368411,514168,721286,089
    Construction127,555622255127,810
    Transport19,47339116019,633
    Social Services51,451138,38156,736108,187
    Public Libraries and museums3,0775,2612,1575,234
    Recreation, parks and baths57,44214,0265,75163,193
    Environmental health8,1842,1738919,075
    Refuse collection and disposal47,53132413347,664
    Housing9,7997,7463,17612,975
    Town and Country Planning58763189
    Fire Service—Regular
    —Others1,8921,4726032,495
    Miscellaneous Services68,34839,51916,20384,551
    TOTAL512,178621,505254,817766,995
    Police—All Ranks
    —Cadets
    —Civilians7,5916,8742,81810,409
    —Traffic Wardens
    Agency Staff40331353
    Magistrates Courts180553227407
    Probation Staff—Officers
    —Others44476195239
    TOTAL (including JCP)520,033629,441258,070778,103
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)520,033629,441258,070778,103

    LOCAL AUTHORITY JOINT MANPOWER WATCH—ENGLAND AND WALES NON-MANUAL EMPLOYEES AT JUNE 1975 (REVISED JUNE 1976)
    (1) Full Time(2) Part Time(3) Totals (Full Time and Full Time Equivalent)

    Service

    (i) Actual(ii) Full Time Equivalents of (i)
    Education—Lecturers and teachers517,102160,61135,727552,829
    —Others104,68778,83941,785146,472
    Construction13,5691045513,624
    Transport4,14553284,173
    Social Services76,4069,8625,22781,633
    Public Libraries and museums21,9439,4805,02426,967
    Recreation, parks and baths13,1081,60585113,959
    Environmental health13,112241128132,401
    Refuse collection and disposal3,27824133,291
    Housing29,1942,0141,06730,261
    Town and Country Planning20,55455929620,850
    Fire Service—Regular31,91431,914
    —Others3,0182321233,141
    Miscellaneous Services192,18910,7785,712197,901
    TOTAL1,044,219274,40296,0361,140,255
    Police—All Ranks103,564103,564
    —Cadets4,4594,459
    —Civilians23,1241,54581923,943
    —Traffic Wardens6,2116,211
    Agency Staff44118095536
    Magistrates Courts6,2276623516,578
    Probation Staff—Officers4,821131694,890
    —Others2,8185893123,130
    TOTAL (including JCP)1,195,884277,50997,6821,293,566
    Job Creation Programme (JCP)
    GRAND TOTAL (excluding JCP)1,195,884277,50997,6821,293,566

    Water Authorities (Debt Charge)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how much of current expenditure of water authorities in England and Wales is made up of servicing the debt charge of these authorities; if he will publish figures showing the effect of servicing overdrafts and short-term facilities at current rates of interest, compared with one year ago; and if he will show by what proportion wages and salaries would have to rise to reach the same level.

    In 1977–78 the interest paid on debt represented about 31 per cent. of the total revenue expenditure of the water authorities in England and Wales. The amounts of water authority overdrafts and short-term borrowing, and the relevant interest rates, vary throughout any year, and it is not possible to illustrate the effects of the use of such facilities between one year and another. Employee costs currently represent approximately 23 per cent. of water authority expenditure, but no useful comparison can be made between increases in these costs and debt profiles because of the diversity of factors influencing debt servicing and borrowing.

    Rent Charges

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) how many rent charges have so far been redeemed through his Department under the provisions of the Rent Charges Act;(2) how long is the average waiting time for redemption of rent charges as operated by his Department under the provisions of the Rent Charges Act.

    In the 12 months beginning 1 February 1978, when the new procedures for the redemption of rent charges came into operation, 1,627 rent charges and 124 ground rents have been redeemed through the Department under the provisions of the Rent Charges Act 1977. In addition, 204 certificates of redemption in respect of applications made before 1 February 1978 have been issued during the same period.

    The average time from the receipt of an application to the issue of a certificate of redemption is 17 weeks.

    Castle Point District Council (Development Programme)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he proposes to hold the meeting with the Castle Point and district council representatives of the Essex county council to discuss the financial implications of safety measures proposed for Canvey Island referred to in his parliamentary answer to the hon. Member for Essex South-East, on 19th January.

    Discussions between officials of my Department and of the local authorities concerned were held on 13 February and are continuing. I shall write to the hon. Member as soon as conclusions have been reached.

    House Building (Essex)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the number of housing starts and housing completions by (a) the private sector and (b) the public sector in Essex for each of the years since 1970.

    Following are the provisional results for the year 1978:

    DWELLINGS STARTED AND COMPLETED IN THE COUNTY OF ESSEX
    PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS: 1978
    StartedCompleted
    Public sector2,9503,800
    Private sector5,8005,300
    Corresponding figures for the years 1970 to 1977 appear in "Local Housing Statistics England and Wales", copies of which are available in the Library.

    Historic Buildings

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many permanent staff are currently engaged in re-surveying England for the purpose of revising the statutory lists of buildings of special architectural or historic interest.

    A total staff time equivalent to that of six professional and seven non-professional permanent staff is devoted to the re-survey programme.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many complete local authority areas were re-surveyed for the purpose of revising the statutory lists of buildings of special architectural or historic interest during 1977 and 1978; and when he expects its survey to be complete.

    Local authority reorganisation took place during the re-survey programme and it has been found convenient to continue it by reference to local authority areas as they existed before 1974. In the two years 1977 and 1978 field investigations were completed in 48 of these, and statutory lists were issued for 20; a further 28 revised lists were issued for areas where fieldwork was completed before 1977.The re-survey is planned as a long-term operation and it is not possible to forecast a completion date.

    Sport

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the budget for urban aid spending on sport, and the projected spending in 1978–79; and if he is satisfied with the present system of evaluating and monitoring its progress.

    There is no separate allocation for urban programme spending on sport. However, sport projects are eligible for grant, and a number have been approved. Expenditure under the urban programme in England on sport and recreation projects is estimated for 1979–80 at about £13 million. There are no comparable figures for 1978–79.I am satisfied with the way in which sports projects are evaluated in the Department. Monitoring is normally the responsibility of the local authorities who have financial responsibility for approved projects.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what advice he has given to the Sports Council on the possibility of its underspending the 1978 budget.

    My advice to the Sports Council is the same this year as in previous years: that it should spend all the money available to it, wisely, for the benefit of sport.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what grants were made by EEC central Governments to sports in 1978, 1977, 1976 and 1975.

    This information is not readily available either in the United Kingdom or in the European Commission. An exercise to gather the necessary data would be lengthy and the cost inordinate.

    Rent And Rate Rebates

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether local authorities have a duty or a discretionary right to make rent or rate rebates and allowances available to strikers and their families; and how much money was expected in this area in the latest year for which figures are available.

    Under the Housing Finance Act 1972, local authority and private tenants are entitled to rent rebates and rent allowances respectively from their local authority on an income-related basis and, under the Local Government Act 1974, residential occupiers are similarly entitled to rate rebates. Where a local authority receives an application, they must determine whether the applicant is entitled to benefit according to three main factors: family size, rent and/or rates and estimated weekly income over the period for which a rebate or allowance is granted. Where the applicant is a person who is on strike, the authority still has to estimate his or her weekly income over the rebate or allowance period in accordance with schedule 4 to the 1972 Act and with rate rebate regulations under the 1974 Act.Information on rebates and allowances paid to people on strike is not available.

    New Towns (Owner-Occupied And Rented Dwellings)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are the proportions of owner-occupied and rented dwellings in the third generation new towns, excluding the original towns partnered with them.

    At 31 March 1978 the proportions of owner occupied and rented dwellings on land owned or provided by the third generation new town development corporations were as follows:

    Rentedper cent. Owner Occupied
    CLNT6931
    Milton Keynes7525
    Northampton8119
    Peterborough8020
    Telford8911
    Warrington6733

    Canals

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in view of the British Waterways Board's conditions relating to users of pleasure boats and houseboats, which state that unless there are special reasons for so doing the Board will not greatly increase the number of houseboats on their canals, he will introduce legislation to make greater provision for mooring houseboats in canals.

    No. The British Waterways Board's canals are primarily for navigation and the number of houseboat certificates issued is a matter for the Board's judgment in the exercise of its statutory duties.

    Antarctic (Exploration Arrangements)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, failing completion of an international licensing system under a law of the sea convention, whether it is proposed to provide interim arrangements to cover exploration in the region of the Antarctic.

    I have been asked to reply.Antarctic exploration and any interim arrangements in this regard are not matters under discussion at the United Nations Law of the Sea Conference; international arrangements covering Antarctic exploration are the subject of the Antarctic treaty. The United Kingdom is a party to this treaty and at the ninth consultative meeting it was recommended that Antarctic mineral exploration should be the subject of further consultation between the parties prior to consideration at the tenth consultative meeting.