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Members Office, Secretarial And Research Allowance

Volume 980: debated on Tuesday 4 March 1980

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Motion made, and Question proposed,

That, in the opinion of the House, the limit on the allowance payable to a Member of this House in respect of the aggregate expenses incurred by him for his parliamentary duties as general office expenses, on secretarial assistance and on research assistance should be £4,800 for the year ending 31st March 1980 and £6,750 for any subsequent year.—[Mr. St. John-Ste vas.]

Division No. 212]

AYES

[9.48 pm

Alexander, RichardForrester, JohnO'Neill, Martin
Alton, DavidFreeson, Rt Hon ReginaldOrme, Rt Hon Stanley
Ancram, MichaelFreud, ClementPalmer, Arthur
Ashton, JoeGarrett, John (Norwich S)Parry, Robert
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham)George, BrucePenhallgon, David
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Golding, JohnPowell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Beith, A. J.Gorst, JohnPrescott, John
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)Hamilton, James (Bothwell)Richardson, Jo
Bidwell, SydneyHamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Blackburn, JohnHannam, JohnRoberts, Allan (Bootle)
Booth, Rt Hon AlbertHeffer, Eric S.Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Boothroyd, Miss BettyHogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire)Robertson, George
Bray, Dr JeremyHolland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall)Rooker, J. W.
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Home Robertson, JohnRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S)Hooley, FrankSever, John
Buchan, NormanHoram, JohnSheerman, Barry
Campbell-Savours, DaleHowell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H)Soley, Clive
Canavan, DennisHowells, GeraintSpriggs, Leslie
Carter-Jones, LewisHughes, Robert (Aberdeen North)Steel, Rt Hon David
Cartwright, JohnIrving, Charles (Cheltenham)Stevens, Martin
Clark, Dr David (South Shields)Jones, Barry (East Flint)Stewart, Rt Hon Donald (W Isles)
Cohen, StanleyKaufman, Rt Hon GeraldStewart, John (East Renfrewshire)
Coleman, DonaldLambie, DavidStott, Roger
Cook, Robin F.Lamond, JamesStraw, Jack
Crowther, J. S.Leadbitter, TedTaylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Cryer, BobLeighton, RonaldThomas, Mike (Newcastle East)
Dalyell, TamLitherland, RobertThomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford)Lofthouse, GeoffreyThorne, Stan (Preston South)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Lyon, Alexander (York)Tilley, John
Dewar, DonaldMcDonald, Dr OonaghTinn, James
Dixon, DonaldMcElhone, FrankTrippier, David
Dobson, FrankMcGuire, Michael (Ince)Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Dykes, HughMcKay, Allen (Penistone)Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Eadie, AlexMaclennan, RobertWells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage)
Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire)McNally, ThomasWhite, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe)
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham)Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n)Wilson, Gordon (Dundee East)
English, MichaelMartin, Michael (Gl'gow Springb'rn)Winnick, David
Ewing, HarryMaxton, JohnWoolmer, Kenneth
Field, FrankMaynard, Miss JoanWrigglesworth, Ian
Flannery, MartinMikardo, Ian
Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston)Morton, GeorgeTELLERS FOR THE AYES
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)Neale, GerrardMr. Alfred Dubs and
Foot, Rt Hon MichaelOgden, EricMr. Reg Race.

NOES

Arnold, TomCarlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn)Eyre, Reginald
Aspinwall, JackChalker, Mrs. LyndaFairbairn, Nicholas
Bendall, VivianChannon, PaulFisher, Sir Nigel
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon)Chapman, SydneyFletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N)
Berry, Hon AnthonyChurchill, W. S.Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Best, KeithClark, Sir William (Croydon South)Fookes, Miss Janet
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnClarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Forman, Nigel
Boscawen, Hon RobertClegg, Sir WalterFraser, Peter (South Angus)
Bradford, Rev. R.Cockeram, EricGardiner, George (Reigate)
Bright, GrahamCope, JohnGarel-Jones, Tristan
Brinton, TimCormack, PatrickGilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Brittan, LeonCorrie, JohnGoodhart, Philip
Brooke, Hon PeterCostain, A. P.Goodhew, Victor
Brotherton, MichaelDean, Paul (North Somerset)Gow, Ian
Brown, Michael (Brigg a Sc'thorpe)Dorrell, StephenGower, Sir Raymond
Butcher, JohnDunn, Robert (Dartford)Gray, Hamish
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Durant, TonyGriffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)

Amendment ( b) proposed,

to leave out from second 'and' to end and insert '£10,000 for any subsequent year, of which £4,000 shall be spent on research work, described to, and approved by, the Fees Office'.—[Mr. Whitehead.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 125, Noes 147.

Grimond, Rt Hon J.Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinSt. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll)Millan, Rt Hon BruceScott, Nicholas
Hampson, Dr KeithMiller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch)Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Hawkins, PaulMills, Iain (Meriden)Silvester, Fred
Hawksley, WarrenMitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)Sims, Roger
Hayhoe, BarneyMolyneaux, JamesSpearing, Nigel
Heddle, JohnMoore, JohnSpeller, Tony
Henderson, BarryMorris, Michael (Northampton, Sth)Spence, John
Hooson, TomMorrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Hunt, David (Wirral)Mudd, DavidSproat, Iain
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)Myles, DavidStainton, Keith
Jopling, Rt Hon MichaelNeedham, RichardStanley, John
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs ElaineNelson, AnthonyStoddart, David
Kilfedder, James A.Neubert, MichaelStradling Thomas, J.
King, Rt Hon TomNewton, TonyTebbit, Norman
Knight, Mrs JillNott, Rt Hon JohnThompson, Donald
Lawrence, IvanOsborn, JohnTownend, John (Bridlington)
Lawson, NigelPage, Rt Hon Sir R. GrahamWaddington, David
Le Marchant, SpencerPage, Richard (SW Hertfordshire)Wakeham, John
Lester, Jim (Beeston)Parkinson, CecilWaller, Gary
Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo)Patten, Christopher (Bath)Ward, John
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)Percival, Sir IanWarren, Kenneth
Lyell, NicholasPowell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down)Watson, John
McCrindle, RobertPrentice, Rt Hon RegWheeler, John
Macfarlane, NeilPrior, Rt Hon JamesWhitelaw, Rt Hon William
MacKay, John (Argyll)Rathbone, TimWhitney, Raymond
McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury)Renton, TimWickenden, Keith
Marlow, TonyRifkind, MalcolmWiggin, Jerry
Marshall, Jim (Leicester South)Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Marten, Neil (Banbury)Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Mather, CarolRoss, Wm. (Londonderry)TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Maude, Rt Hon AngusRost, PeterLord James Douglas-Hamilton and
Mawby, RaySainsbury, Hon TimothyMr. John McGregor.

Question accordingly negatived.

Does the hon. Member for Battersea, South (Mr. Dubs) wish to move amendments (c) and (d)?

Does the hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Mr. Beith) wish to move amendment (i)?

Division No. 213]

AYES

[10.00 pm

Alexander, RichardCrowther, J. S.Garrett, John (Norwich S)
Alton, DavidCryer, BobGeorge, Bruce
Ancram, MichaelCunningham, George (Islington S)Gorst, John
Ashton, JoeDalyell, TamGreenway, Harry
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham)Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford)Grimond, Rt Hon J.
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone)Deakins, EricHamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich)Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Bendall, VivianDewar, DonaldHamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N)Dixon, DonaldHannam, John
Best, KeithDobson, FrankHeddle, John
Bidwell, SydneyDormand, JackHeffer, Eric S.
Blackburn, JohnDorrell, StephenHogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire)
Booth, Rt Hon AlbertDubs, AlfredHolland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall)
Boothroyd, Miss Bettydu Cann, Rt Hon EdwardHome Robertson, John
Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West)Durant, TonyHooley, Frank
Bray, Dr JeremyDykes, HughHoram, John
Bright, GrahamEadie, AlexHowell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)Eggar, TimothyHowells, Geraint
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S)Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire)Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North)
Buchan, NormanEllis, Tom (Wrexham)Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Bulmer, EsmondEnglish, MichaelIrving, Charles (Cheltenham)
Campbell-Savours, DaleEwing, HarryJones, Barry (East Flint)
Canavan, DennisField, FrankKaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Carlisle, John (Luton West)Flannery, MartinKellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine
Carter-Jones, LewisFletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston)Lambie, David
Cartwright, JohnFletcher, Ted (Darlington)Lamond, James
Churchill, W. S.Fookes, Miss JanetLang, Ian
Clark, Dr David (South Shields)Foot, Rt Hon MichaelLeadbitter, Ted
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)Forrester, JohnLee, John
Cohen, StanleyFoulkes, GeorgeLeighton, Ronald
Coleman, DonaldFreeson, Rt Hon ReginaldLitherland, Robert
Cook, Robin F.Freud, ClementLofthouse, Geoffrey

Amendment (i) proposed,

At end of motion add 'and that a further sum not exceeding £675 per annum shall be available in respect of each Member solely for the purpose of payments into an approved scheme to provide pensions for a person or persons paid by him out of the allowances referred to above.'.—[Mr. Beith.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 115.

Lyell, NicholasPrescott, JohnStraw, Jack
Lyon, Alexander (York)Race, RegTaylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
McDonald, Dr OonaghRees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South)Thomas, Mike (Newcastle East)
McElhone, FrankRhodes James, RobertThomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
McGuire, Michael (Ince)Rhys Williams, Sir BrandonThompson, Donald
McKay, Allen (Penistone)Richardson, JoThorne, Stan (Preston South)
Maclennan, RobertRoberts, Albert (Normanton)Tilley, John
McNally, ThomasRoberts, Allan (Bootle)Tinn, James
Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n)Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)Trippier, David
Marshall, Jim (Leicester South)Robertson, GeorgeTrotter, Neville
Martin, Michael (Gl'gow Springb'rn)Rooker, J. W.Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Maxton, JohnRoss, Stephen (Isle of Wight)Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Maynard, Miss JoanScott, NicholasWaldegrave, Hon William
Mikardo, IanSever, JohnWalker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Millan, Rt Hon BruceShaw, Michael (Scarborough)Ward, John
Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch)Sheerman, BarryWatson, John
Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L)Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage)
Morton, GeorgeShepherd, Colin (Hereford)White, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe)
Myles, DavidSmith, Rt Hon J. (North Lanarkshire)Whitehead, Phillip
Neale, GerrardSoley, CliveWickenden, Keith
Needham, RichardSpearing, NigelWilson, Gordon (Dundee East)
Ogden, EricSpriggs, LeslieWinnick, David
O'Neill, MartinSteel, Rt Hon DavidWoolmer, Kenneth
Orme, Rt Hon StanleyStevens, MartinWrigglesworth, Ian
Page, Richard (SW Hertfordshire)Stewart, Rt Hon Donald (W Isles)
Palmer, ArthurStewart, John (East Renfrewshire)TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Parry, RobertStoddart, DavidMr. A. J. Beith and
Penhaligon, DavidStott, RogerMr. Tristan Garel-Jones.
Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)

NOES

Arnold, TomGriffiths, Eldon (Bury St Edmunds)Nott, Rt Hon John
Aspinwall, JackGriffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)Osborn, John
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon)Hampson, Dr KeithPage, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham
Berry, Hon AnthonyHawkins, PaulParkinson, Cecil
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnHawksley, WarrenPatten, Christopher (Bath)
Boscawen, Hon RobertHayhoe, BarneyPercival, Sir Ian
Bradford, Rev. R.Hooson, TomPowell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down)
Brinton, TimHunt, David (Wirral)Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Brittan, LeonJopling, Rt Hon MichaelPrior, Rt Hon James
Brotherton, MichaelKershaw, AnthonyRathbone, Tim
Budgen, NickKilfedder, James A.Renton, Tim
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)King, Rt Hon TomRifkind, Malcolm
Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn)Knight, Mrs JillRoberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Chalker, Mrs. LyndaLawrence, IvanRoberts, Wyn (Conway)
Channon, PaulLawson, NigelRoss, Wm. (Londonderry)
Chapman, SydneyLe Marchant, SpencerRossi, Hugh
Clark, Sir William (Croydon South)Lester, Jim (Beeston)St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe)Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo)Silvester, Fred
Clegg, Sir WalterLloyd, Peter (Fareham)Sims, Roger
Cockeram, EricMcCrindle, RobertSpeller, Tony
Cope, JohnMacfarlane, NellSpicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Cormack, PatrickMacGregor, JohnSproat, Iain
Corrie, JohnMacKay, John (Argyll)Stanley, John
Costain, A. P.McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury)Stradling Thomas, J.
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesMarlow, TonyTebbit, Norman
Dunn, Robert (Dartford)Marten, Neil (Banbury)Thorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Eyre, ReginaldMather, CarolTownend, John (Bridlington)
Fairbairn, NicholasMaude, Rt Hon AngusWakeham, John
Fisher, Sir NigelMawby, RayWaller, Gary
Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N)Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinWarren, Kenneth
Forman, NigelMills, Iain (Meriden)Wheeler, John
Fowler, Rt Hon NormanMoate, RogerWhitelaw, Rt Hon William
Fraser, Peter (South Angus)Molyneaux, JamesWhitney, Raymond
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir IanMoore, JohnWiggin, Jerry
Glyn, Dr AlanMorris, Michael (Northampton, Sth)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Goodhart, PhilipMorrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)
Goodhew, VictorMudd, DavidTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Gow, IanNelson, AnthonyMr. David Waddington and
Gower, Sir RaymondNeubert, MichaelMr. Peter Brooke.
Gray, HamishNewton, Tony

Question accordingly agreed to.

Main Question as amended, put and agreed to.

Resolved,

That, in the opinion of this House, the limit on the allowance payable to a Member of this House in respect of the aggregate expenses incurred by him for his parliamentary duties as general office expenses, on secretarial assistance and on research assistance should be £4,800 for the year ending 31st March 1980 and £6,750 for any subsequent year, and that a further sum not exceeding £675 per annum shall be available in respect of each Member solely for the purpose of payments into an approved scheme to provide pensions for a person or persons paid by him out of the allowances referred to above.