Motion made, and Question proposed,
That this House—(a) welcomes the Report of the Select Committee on Members' Salaries which was ordered by this House to be printed on 17th February 1982; (b) agrees with the recommendation in that Report that a review of Members' pay be conducted by the Review Body on Top Salaries once during the fourth year of each Parliament and that, where a shortened Parliament precludes this, the Review Body should carry out a new review not later than four years after the rates of salary consequent on the previous review first became payable; (c) agrees with the view expressed in that Report that, between such reviews, Members' salaries should be adjusted annually by reference to increases in outside salaries, but does not accept the recommendation that there should be an annual automatic adjustment by reference to figures taken from the Department of Employment's New Earnings Survey; (d) is of opinion that Her Majesty's Government should instead, in the period between one such review and the next, move annual motions to effect changes in Members' salaries and in so doing should be guided by the average change in the rates of pay of appropriate groups in the Public Service over a relevant period.—[Mr. Biffen.]
Amendment proposed: (a), to leave out from '1982' to end of motion and add
`and agrees with the recommendations of that Report' .—[Mr. Peter Thomas.]
Question put, That the amendment be made:—
The House divided: Ayes, 49. Noes, 117.
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AYES
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Atkinson, N.(H'gey,) | McNamara, Kevin |
Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Miscampbell, Norman |
Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) |
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
Campbell-Savours, Dale | Morris, Rt Hon C. (O'shaw) |
Carter-Jones, Lewis | Price, C. (Lewisham W) |
Clegg, Sir Walter | Rees-Davies, W. R. |
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (B'stol S) | Roper, John |
Cohen, Stanley | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
Cook, Robin F. | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) |
Crowther, Stan | Silkin, Rt Hon J. (Deptford) |
Cunningham, G.(Islington S) | Soley, Clive |
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Spearing, Nigel |
Davis, Terry (B 'ham, Stechf'd) | Stoddart, David |
Dormand, Jack | Straw, Jack |
Evans, John (Newton) | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
Foster, Derek | Thomas, Rt Hon Peter |
Garrett, John (Norwich S) | Ward, John |
Greenway, Harry | Whitehead, Phillip |
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Winterton, Nicholas |
Home Robertson, John | Woolmer, Kenneth |
Hooley, Frank | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
Howells, Geraint | |
Lawrence, Ivan | Tellers for the Ayes: |
Lyon, Alexander(York) | Mr. Michael English and |
McDonald, DrOonagh | Mr. Mark Wolfson. |
McKay, Allen (Penistone) | |
NOES
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Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Chapman, Sydney |
Ancram, Michael | Clark, Sir W.(Croydon S) |
Baker, Kenneth(St.M'bone) | Clarke, Kerneth(Rushcllffe) |
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) | Cope, John |
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Dunn, Rober(Dartford) |
Berry, Hon Anthony | Eggar, Tim |
Best, Keith | Eyre, Reginald |
Biffen, Rt Hon John | Fenner, Mrs Peggy |
Blaker, Peter | Finsberg, Geoffrey |
Bottomley, Peter (W wich W) | Fletcher, A. (Ed'nb'gh N) |
Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Forman, Nigel |
Brittan, Rt. Hon. Leon | Fowler, Rt Hon Norman |
Brooke, Hon Peter | Fraser, Peter (South Angus) |
Bruce-Gardyne, John | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
Bryan, Sir Paul | Glyn, Dr Alan |
Buchanan-Smith, Rt, Hon. A. | Goodhew, Sir Victor |
Butcher, John | Goodlad, Alastair |
Cadbury, Jocelyn | Gummer, John Selwyn |
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hamilton, Hon A. |
Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) |
Channon, Rt. Hon. Paul | Hampson, DrKeith |
Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Pollock, Alexander |
Hawkins, Paul | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
Hayhoe, Barney | Rathbone, Tim |
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael | Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) |
Hogg, Hon Douglas(Gr'th'm) | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Rifkind, Malcolm |
Howell, Rt Hon D(G'ldf'd) | Roberts, M. (Cardiff NW) |
Hunt, David (Wirrai) | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas) | Rossi, Hugh |
Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Shelton, William(Streatham) |
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Silvester, Fred |
King, Rt Hon Tom | Sims, Roger |
Lamont, Norman | Skinner, Dennis |
Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel | Stewart, A.(ERenfrewshire) |
Lee, John | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
Lyell, Nicholas | Stradling Thomas, J. |
Macfarlane, Neil | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
MacGregor, John | Thompson, Donald |
McNair-Wilson, M.(N'bury) | Thornton, Malcolm |
Major, John | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
Marten, Rt Hon Neil | Trippier, David |
Mather, Carol | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
Mayhew, Patrick | Viggers, Peter |
Mellor, David | Waddington, David |
Miller, Hal(B'grow) | Wakeham, John |
Mills, Iain(Meriden) | Waldegrave, Hon William |
Mitchell, David(Basingstoke) | Walker, Rt Hon P.(W'cestor) |
Moate, Roger | Waller, Gary |
Moore, John | Warren, Kenneth |
Morrison, Hon P. (Chester) | Wells, Bowen |
Myles, David | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
Nelson, Anthony | Wiggin, Jerry |
Newton, Tony | Young, Sir George(Action) |
Onslow, Cranley | Younger, Rt Hon George |
Page, Richard (SW Herts) | |
Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | Tellers for the Noes: |
Patten John (Oxford) | Mr. Ian Lang and |
Pawsey, James | Mr. Robert Boscawen. |
Percival, Sir Ian |
Question accordingly negatived.
Amendment proposed: (b), to leave out from 'payable' to end and add—
`(c) agrees with the view expressed in that Report that, between such re views Members salaries should be adjusted annually by reference to increases in outside salaries as indicated in the nearest percentile in the Department of Employment's New Earnings Survey.
(d) does not accept the view in that Report that the question of Members' pensions and severance payments should be subsumed under the general heading of "Pay" to await consideration in the context of the next general review of Members' pay, but is of the opinion that, in the light of the anomalies inherent in the present severance arrangements and the increased insecurity attached to the role of a Member, the Top Salaries Review Body be requested to undertake an urgent review of pension and severance arrangements and make recommendations accordingly.'.—[Mr. John Silkin.]
Question put, That the amendment be made:—
The House divided: Ayes 35, Noes 111.
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AYES
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Atkinson, N.(H'gey,) | Foster, Derek |
Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Garrett, John (Norwich S) |
Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Harrison, Rt Hon Walter |
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | HomeRobertson, John |
Campbell-Savours, Dale | Howells, Geraint |
Carter-Jones, Levis | McDonald, Dr Oonagh |
Cocks, Rt Hon M.(B'stol S) | McKay, Allen(Penistone) |
Cohen, Stanley | McNamara, Kevin |
Cook, Robin F. | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
Crowther, Stan | Morris, Rt Hon C. (O'shaw) |
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Roper, John |
Davis, Terry (B'ham, Stechf'd) | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
Dormand, Jack | Silkin, Rt Hon J. (Deptford) |
English, Michael | Skinner, Dennis |
Evans, John (Newton) | Soley, Clive |
Stoddart, David | |
Straw,Jack | Tellers for the Ayes: |
Whitehead,Phillip | Mr. Frank Hooley and |
Woolmer,Kenneth | Mr. Nigel Spearing. |
Wrigglesworth,Ian | |
NOES
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Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Hayhoe, Barney |
Ancram,Michael | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
Baker,Kenneth(St.M'bone) | Hogg, Hon Douglas(Gr'th'm) |
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
Beaumont-Dark,Anthony | Howell,Rt Hon D.(G'ldf'd) |
Berry, Hon Anthony | Hurd,Rt Hon Douglas |
Best, Keith | Jenkin,Rt Hon Patrick |
Biffen,Rt Hon John | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
Blaker, Peter | King, Rt Hon Tom |
Bottomley,Peter(W'wich W) | Lamont, Norman |
Boyson,Dr Rhodes | Lang, Ian |
Brittan,Rt. Hon. Leon | Lawson,Rt Hon Nigel |
Brooke, Hon Peter | Lee, John |
Bruce-Gardyne,John | Lyell,Nicholas |
Buchanan-Smith, Rt. Hon. A. | Macfarlane,Neil |
Butcher,John | MacGregor,John |
Cadbury,Jocelyn | Major,John |
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Marten, Rt Hon Neil |
Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Mather,Carol |
Channon, Rt. Hon. Paul | Mayhew,Patrick |
Chapman,Sydney | Mellor,David |
Clarke,Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Miller,Hal(B'grove) |
Cope,John | Mills,Iain(Meriden) |
Dunn, Robert(Dartford) | Miscampbell,Norman |
Eggar,Tim | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) |
Fanner, Mrs Peggy | Moate, Roger |
Finsberg,Geoffrey | Moore,John |
Fletcher, A. (Ed'nb'gh N) | Morrison, Hon P. (Chester) |
Forman, Nigel | Myles, David |
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Newton,Tony |
Fraser, Peter (South Angus) | Onslow,Cranley |
Garel-Jones,Tristan | Page, Richard (SW Herts) |
Glyn, DrAlan | Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil |
Goodhew,SirVictor | Patten, John (Oxford) |
Goodlad,Alastair | Pawsey, James |
Greenway, Harry | Percival,Sir Ian |
Gummer,JohnSelwyn | Pollock,Alexander |
Hamilton, Hon A. | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
Hampson,Dr Keith | Rathbone,Tim |
Hawkins, Paul | Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) |
Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Viggers, Peter |
Rifkind, Malcolm | Waddington,David |
Roberts, M. (Cardiff NW) | Wakeham,John |
Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Waldegrave,Hon William |
Rossi, Hugh | Waller, Gary |
Sainsbury,Hon Timothy | Warren,Kenneth |
Shelton,William(Streatham) | Wells,Bowen |
Silvester,Fred | Whitelaw,Rt Hon William |
Sims, Roger | Wiggin,Jerry |
Stewart,A(ERenfrewshire) | Winterton,Nicholas |
Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) | Wolfson,Mark |
StradlingThomas,J. | Young,SirGeorge(Action) |
Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman | Younger, Rt Hon George |
Thomas, Rt Hon Peter | |
Thompson,Donald | Tellers for the Noes: |
Thornton,Malcolm | Mr. Robert Boscawen and |
Trippier, David | Mr. David Hunt. |
Vaughan,DrGerard |
Question accordingly negatived.
Main Question put and agreed to.
Resolved,
That this House—(a) welcomes the Report of the Select Committee on Members' Salaries which was ordered by this House to be printed on 17th February 1982; (b) agrees with the recommendation in that Report that a review of Members' pay be conducted by the Review Body on Top Salaries once during the fourth year of each Parliament and that, where a shortened Parliament precludes this, the Review Body should carry out a new review not later than four years after the rates of salary consequent on the previous review first became payable; (c) agrees with the view expressed in that Report that, between such reviews, Members' salaries should be adjusted annually by reference to increases in outside salaries, but does not accept the recommendation that there should be an annual automatic adjustment by reference to figures taken from the Department of Employment's New Earnings Survey; (d) is of opinion that Her Majesty's Government should instead, in the period between one such review and the next, move annual motions to effect changes in Members' salaries and in so doing should be guided by the average change in the rates of pay of appropriate groups in the Public Service over a relevant period.—[Mr. Biffen]