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The National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978

Volume 169: debated on Wednesday 14 March 1990

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14.—(1) Section 86 of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978 (keeping and audit of accounts of certain Scottish health bodies) shall be amended as follows.

(2) In subsections (1) and (1A), for the words "by auditors appointed by the Secretary of State" there shall be substituted "in accordance with Part VII of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 by auditors appointed by the Accounts Commission for Scotland".

(3) After subsection (1A) there shall be inserted the following subsection—

"(1B) To the extent that regulations made by the Secretary of State so provide, the requirement in subsection (1A)(a) to have accounts audited shall not apply to the accounts for any year of a recognised fund-holding practice if those accounts are submitted to a Health Board and summarised in the Board's accounts."

(4) Subsection (2) shall cease to have effect.'.— [Mr. Michael Forsyth.]

Question put, That the schedule be added to the Bill:—

The House divided: Ayes 270, Noes 56.

Division 129]

[12.27 pm

AYES

Adley, RobertBendall, Vivian
Alexander, RichardBennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelBenyon, W.
Allason, RupertBiffen, Rt Hon John
Amess, DavidBlaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Amos, AlanBody, Sir Richard
Arbuthnot, JamesBonsor, Sir Nicholas
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)Boscawen, Hon Robert
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove)Boswell, Tim
Atkins, RobertBottomley, Mrs Virginia
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n)
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)
Baldry, TonyBowis, John
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes
Batiste, SpencerBrandon-Bravo, Martin
Bellingham, HenryBrazier, Julian

Bright, GrahamHicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Buck, Sir AntonyHill, James
Budgen, NicholasHind, Kenneth
Burns, SimonHogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Butcher, JohnHoward, Rt Hon Michael
Butler, ChrisHowell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Butterfill, JohnHowell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Carlisle, John, (Luton N)Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Carrington, MatthewHunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Carttiss, MichaelIrvine, Michael
Cash, WilliamIrving, Sir Charles
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaJack, Michael
Channon, Rt Hon PaulJackson, Robert
Chapman, SydneyJanman, Tim
Churchill, MrJessel, Toby
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Colvin, MichaelJopling, Rt Hon Michael
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Key, Robert
Coombs, Simon (Swindon)King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Cope, Rt Hon JohnKirkhope, Timothy
Couchman, JamesKnapman, Roger
Cran, JamesKnight, Greg (Derby North)
Currie, Mrs EdwinaKnight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Curry, DavidKnowles, Michael
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)Knox, David
Davis, David (Boothferry)Lang, Ian
Day, StephenLatham, Michael
Devlin, TimLawrence, Ivan
Dorrell, StephenLee, John (Pendle)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesLeigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Dover, DenLennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Dunn, BobLester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Eggar, TimLightbown, David
Emery, Sir PeterLloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Fallon, MichaelLord, Michael
Favell, TonyLuce, Rt Hon Richard
Fenner, Dame PeggyLyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Fishburn, John DudleyMaclean, David
Forman, NigelMcLoughlin, Patrick
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael
Forth, EricMadel, David
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir NormanMalins, Humfrey
Fox, Sir MarcusMans, Keith
Freeman, RogerMaples, John
French, DouglasMarland, Paul
Gale, RogerMarlow, Tony
Garel-Jones, TristanMarshall, John (Hendon S)
Gill, ChristopherMarshall, Michael (Arundel)
Glyn, Dr Sir AlanMartin, David (Portsmouth S)
Goodhart, Sir PhilipMaude, Hon Francis
Goodson-Wickes, Dr CharlesMawhinney, Dr Brian
Gorman, Mrs TeresaMaxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Gorst, JohnMellor, David
Gow, IanMeyer, Sir Anthony
Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)Mills, Iain
Greenway, John (Ryedale)Miscampbell, Norman
Gregory, ConalMitchell, Andrew (Gedllng)
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)Mitchell, Sir David
Grist, IanMoate, Roger
Ground, PatrickMonro, Sir Hector
Grylls, MichaelMontgomery, Sir Fergus
Hague, WilliamMorris, M (N'hampton S)
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)Moss, Malcolm
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)Neale, Gerrard
Hampson, Dr KeithNelson, Anthony
Hanley, JeremyNeubert, Michael
Hannam, JohnNewton, Rt Hon Tony
Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)Nicholls, Patrick
Harris, DavidNicholson, David (Taunton)
Haselhurst, AlanNicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Hayes, JerryNorris, Steve
Hayward, RobertOnslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Heathcoat-Amory, DavidPage, Richard

Paice, JamesSumberg, David
Parkinson, Rt Hon CecilSummerson, Hugo
Patnick, IrvineTaylor, Ian (Usher)
Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Pawsey, JamesTaylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Peacock, Mrs ElizabethTebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Porter, Barry (Wirral S)Temple-Morris, Peter
Porter, David (Waveney)Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Portillo, MichaelThompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Price, Sir DavidThorne, Neil
Raison, Rt Hon TimothyThornton, Malcolm
Rathbone, TimThurnham, Peter
Renton, Rt Hon TimTracey, Richard
Ridsdale, Sir JulianTrippier, David
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)Trotter, Neville
Rossi, Sir HughTwinn, Dr Ian
Rowe, AndrewWaddington, Rt Hon David
Rumbold, Mrs AngelaWaldegrave, Rt Hon William
Sackville, Hon TomWalden, George
Sayeed, JonathanWalker, Bill (T'side North)
Scott, Rt Hon NicholasWaller, Gary
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')Ward, John
Shelton, Sir WilliamWardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)Watts, John
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)Wells, Bowen
Sims, RogerWheeler, Sir John
Skeet, Sir TrevorWiddecombe, Ann
Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)Wiggin, Jerry
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)Wilkinson, John
Speller, TonyWilshire, David
Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)Winterton, Mrs Ann
Squire, RobinWinterton, Nicholas
Stanbrook, IvorWolfson, Mark
Stanley, Rt Hon Sir JohnWood, Timothy
Stern, MichaelWoodcock, Dr. Mike
Stevens, LewisYeo, Tim
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)Young, Sir George (Acton)
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N)

Tellers for the Ayes:

Stokes, Sir John

Mr. Alastair Goodlad and Mr. Tony Durant.

Stradling Thomas, Sir John

NOES

Allen, GrahamLoyden, Eddie
Alton, DavidMcCartney, Ian
Anderson, DonaldMaclennan, Robert
Ashton, JoeMarek, Dr John
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Beggs, RoyMeale, Alan
Beith, A. J.Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Benn, Rt Hon TonyMichie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Blair, TonyMullin, Chris
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Murphy, Paul
Carlile, Alex (Mont'g)Nellist, Dave
Clay, BobRedmond, Martin
Cousins, JimRichardson, Jo
Cryer, BobRoss, William (Londonderry E)
Dalyell, TamRowlands, Ted
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Fearn, RonaldSillars, Jim
Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n)Skinner, Dennis
Garrett, John (Norwich South)Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Gould, Bryan Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
Graham, ThomasTaylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)Taylor, Rt Hon J. D. (S'ford)
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Howells, GeraintWallace, James
Hoyle, DougWelsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)Young, David (Bolton SE)
Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môn)
Kennedy, Charles

Tellers for the Noes:

Kilfedder, James

Alex Salmond and Dafydd Wigley.

Livingstone, Ken
Livsey, Richard

Question accordingly agreed to.

Question put, That all remaining amendments standing in the name of a member of the Government be made to the Bill:—

The House divided: Ayes 272, Noes 187.

Division No. 130]

[12.39 am

AYES

Adley, RobertForman, Nigel
Alexander, RichardForsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelForth, Eric
Allason, RupertFowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman
Amess, DavidFox, Sir Marcus
Amos, AlanFreeman, Roger
Arbuthnot, JamesFrench, Douglas
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)Gale, Roger
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove)Garel-Jones, Tristan
Atkins, RobertGill, Christopher
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)Glyn, Dr Sir Alan
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Goodhart, Sir Philip
Baldry, TonyGoodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Batiste, SpencerGorst, John
Bellingham, HenryGow, Ian
Bendall, VivianGrant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Benyon, W.Gregory, Conal
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnGriffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir PeterGrist, Ian
Body, Sir RichardGround, Patrick
Bonsor, Sir NicholasGrylls, Michael
Boscawen, Hon RobertHague, William
Boswell, TimHamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaHamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n)Hampson, Dr Keith
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Hanley, Jeremy
Bowis, JohnHannam, John
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir RhodesHargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Brandon-Bravo, MartinHarris, David
Brazier, JulianHaselhurst, Alan
Bright, GrahamHayes, Jerry
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)Hayward, Robert
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)Heathcoat-Amory, David
Buck, Sir AntonyHicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Budgen, NicholasHicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Burns, SimonHiggins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Butcher, JohnHill, James
Butler, ChrisHind, Kenneth
Butterfill, JohnHogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Carlisle, John, (Luton N)Hordern, Sir Peter
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Howard, Rt Hon Michael
Carrington, MatthewHowell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Carttiss, MichaelHowell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Cash, WilliamHughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaHunt, David (Wirral W)
Channon, Rt Hon PaulHunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Chapman, SydneyIrvine, Michael
Churchill, MrIrving, Sir Charles
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)Jack, Michael
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)Jackson, Robert
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Janman, Tim
Colvin, MichaelJessel, Toby
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Coombs, Simon (Swindon)Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Cope, Rt Hon JohnJones, Robert B (Herts W)
Couchman, JamesJopling, Rt Hon Michael
Cran, JamesKey, Robert
Currie, Mrs EdwinaKing, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Curry, DavidKirkhope, Timothy
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)Knapman, Roger
Davis, David (Boothferry)Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Day, StephenKnight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Devlin, TimKnowles, Michael
Dorrell, StephenKnox, David
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesLang, Ian
Dover, DenLatham, Michael
Dunn, BobLawrence, Ivan
Eggar, TimLee, John (Pendle)
Emery, Sir PeterLeigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Fallon, MichaelLester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Favell, TonyLightbown, David
Fenner, Dame PeggyLloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Fishbum, John DudleyLord, Michael

Luce, Rt Hon RichardShaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir NicholasShelton, Sir William
MacGregor, Rt Hon JohnShephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Maclean, DavidShepherd, Colin (Hereford)
McLoughlin, PatrickSims, Roger
McNair-Wilson, Sir MichaelSkeet, Sir Trevor
Madel, DavidSmith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Malins, HumfreySmith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Mans, KeithSpeller, Tony
Maples, JohnSpicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
Marland, PaulSquire, Robin
Marlow, TonyStanbrook, Ivor
Marshall, John (Hendon S)Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Marshall, Michael (Arundel)Stern, Michael
Martin, David (Portsmouth S)Stevens, Lewis
Maude, Hon FrancisStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Mawhinney, Dr BrianStewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinStewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N)
Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir PatrickStokes, Sir John
Mellor, DavidStradling Thomas, Sir John
Meyer, Sir AnthonySumberg, David
Mills, IainSummerson, Hugo
Miscampbell, NormanTaylor, Ian (Esher)
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Mitchell, Sir DavidTaylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Moate, RogerTebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Monro, Sir HectorTemple-Morris, Peter
Montgomery, Sir FergusThompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Morris, M (N'hampton S)Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Moss, MalcolmThorne, Neil
Neale, GerrardThornton, Malcolm
Nelson, AnthonyThurnham, Peter
Neubert, MichaelTracey, Richard
Newton, Rt Hon TonyTrippier, David
Nicholls, PatrickTrotter, Neville
Nicholson, David (Taunton)Twinn, Dr Ian
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)Waddington, Rt Hon David
Norris, SteveWaldegrave, Fit Hon William
Onslow, Rt Hon CranleyWalden, George
Page, RichardWalker, Bill (T'side North)
Paice, JamesWaller, Gary
Parkinson, Rt Hon CecilWard, John
Patnick, IrvineWardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)Watts, John
Pawsey, JamesWells, Bowen
Peacock, Mrs ElizabethWheeler, Sir John
Porter, Barry (Wirral S)Widdecombe, Ann
Porter, David (Waveney)Wiggin, Jerry
Portillo, MichaelWilkinson, John
Price, Sir DavidWilshire, David
Raison, Rt Hon TimothyWinterton, Mrs Ann
Rathbone, TimWinterton, Nicholas
Renton, Rt Hon TimWolfson, Mark
Ridsdale, Sir JulianWood, Timothy
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)Woodcock, Dr. Mike
Rossi, Sir HughYeo, Tim
Rowe, AndrewYoung, Sir George (Acton)
Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Sackville, Hon Tom

Tellers for the Ayes:

Sayeed, Jonathan

Mr. Alistair Goodlad and Mr. Tony Durant.

Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas

NOES

Abbott, Ms DianeBoateng, Paul
Adams, Allen (Paisley N)Boyes, Roland
Alton, DavidBradley, Keith
Anderson, DonaldBrown, Gordon (D'mline E)
Archer, Rt Hon PeterBrown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)
Armstrong, HilaryBuchan, Norman
Ashton, JoeBuckley, George J.
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)Caborn, Richard
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich)Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)
Barron, KevinCampbell, Ron (Blyth Valley)
Battle, JohnCampbell-Savours, D. N.
Beggs, RoyCarlile, Alex (Mont'g)
Beith, A. J.Cartwright, John
Benn, Rt Hon TonyClark, Dr David (S Shields)
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)
Bermingham, GeraldClay, Bob
Blunkett, DavidClelland, David

Clwyd, Mrs AnnMacdonald, Calum A.
Cohen, HarryMcFall, John
Coleman, DonaldMcKelvey, William
Cook, Robin (Livingston)Maclennan, Robert
Cousins, JimMcNamara, Kevin
Cox, TomMadden, Max
Crowther, StanMaginnis, Ken
Cryer, BobMahon, Mrs Alice
Cummings, JohnMarek, Dr John
Dalyell, TamMarshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Darling, AlistairMartin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)Martlew, Eric
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)Meacher, Michael
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l)Meale, Alan
Dixon, DonMichael, Alun
Doran, FrankMichie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Duffy, A. E. P.Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Dunnachie, JimmyMoonie, Dr Lewis
Eadie, AlexanderMorgan, Rhodri
Eastham, KenMorris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E)Mowlam, Marjorie
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)Nellist, Dave
Faulds, AndrewOrme, Rt Hon Stanley
Fearn, RonaldOwen, Rt Hon Dr David
Field, Frank (Birkenhead)Paisley, Rev Ian
Fisher, MarkPatchett, Terry
Flannery, MartinPike, Peter L.
Flynn, PaulPowell, Ray (Ogmore)
Foot, Rt Hon MichaelPrescott, John
Foster, DerekPrimarolo, Dawn
Fraser, JohnQuin, Ms Joyce
Fyfe, MariaRadice, Giles
Galloway, GeorgeRandall, Stuart
Garrett, John (Norwich South)Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn
Garrett, Ted (Wallsend)Richardson, Jo
George, BruceRobertson, George
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr JohnRobinson, Geoffrey
Godman, Dr Norman A.Rogers, Allan
Golding, Mrs LlinRooker, Jeff
Gordon, MildredRoss, Ernie (Dundee W)
Graham, ThomasRoss, William (Londonderry E)
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham)Rowlands, Ted
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)Ruddock, Joan
Hardy, PeterSalmond, Alex
Harman, Ms HarrietSedgemore, Brian
Hattersley, Rt Hon RoySheerman, Barry
Haynes, FrankShort, Clare
Henderson, DougSillars, Jim
Hinchliffe, DavidSkinner, Dennis
Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall)Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury)
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E)
Home Robertson, JohnSmith, J. P. (Vale of Glam)
Hood, JimmySmyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Howarth, George (Knowsley N)Soley, Clive
Howells, GeraintSpearing, Nigel
Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd)Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
Hoyle, DougSteinberg, Gerry
Hughes, John (Coventry NE)Taylor, Rt Hon J. D. (S'ford)
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Hughes, Roy (Newport E)Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)Turner, Dennis
Illsley, EricWallace, James
Ingram, AdamWalley, Joan
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)Warden, Gareth (Gower)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)Wareing, Robert N.
Kennedy, CharlesWelsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Kilfedder, JamesWelsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Lamond, JamesWigley, Dafydd
Leadbitter, Ted Williams, Rt Hon Alan
Lestor, Joan (Eccles)Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Lewis, Terry Winnick, David
Livsey, Richard Wise, Mrs Audrey
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)Worthington, Tony
Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Loyden, Eddie

Tellers for the Noes:

McAllion, John

Mr. Tony Banks and Mr. Allen McKay.

McAvoy, Thomas
McCartney, Ian

Question accordingly agreed to.