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Caldey Island Bill

Volume 177: debated on Wednesday 17 October 1990

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Not amended (in Standing Committee), considered.

Clause 1

Elections

Amendment made, in page 1, line 23, leave out from 'a' to first 'of' in line 7 on page 2 and insert

'person to be included in the registers of parliament and local government electors published for the years beginning with 16th February 1990 and 16th February 1991—
  • (a) subsections (1) to (3) above shall be deemed to have been in force on 10th October 1989 and 10th October 1990 (the qualifying dates in relation to those registers);
  • (b) the reference in section 11(2) of the Representation of the People Act 1983 to the correction of a register shall include a reference to any addition made by virtue of this section; and
  • (c) the relevant provisions'—[Sir Wyn Roberts.]
  • Bill reported, with an amendment.

    6.49 pm

    I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

    In Committee, some concern was expressed about clause 2, and I am happy to inform the House of our decision that the Caldey community should become liable for community charge as from 1 April 1991, and that it should also become liable to non-domestic rates as from the same date.

    We have also succeeded in devising a good scheme to provide transitional relief for the community. I believe that, on the whole, the islanders will find the total package quite acceptable. Therefore, I have pleasure in commending the Bill to the House.

    6.50 pm

    I thank the Minister for his courteous response, as always, to the substantial point that we made in Committee about the imposition of poll tax before the Bill could be passed. I do not imagine that the islanders of Caldey will be desperately pleased at having the poll tax imposed on them in any shape or form, but at least we have saved them from being taxed before the relevant legislation could be enacted, for the Minister has now confirmed that the poll tax will not take effect there before next year.

    The Minister said that the Government have devised "a good scheme" to provide the equivalent of transitional relief. We have already made the point that some difficulty arises because there is no previous rating base from which to work. However, the Minister seems to have confirmed his promise to do something about transitional relief, so perhaps he will give us an idea of what it will be.

    6.51 pm

    The scheme that we intend to establish will require the islanders, each year in a four-year transitional period, to pay a fixed percentage of that year's community charge for standard spending—or CCSS. That percentage, which I propose to set at 80 per cent. in 1991–92, will increase over the four-year period so that the islanders will move smoothly into a regime of full charges in 1995–96—the same year that full charges will be payable in the rest of Wales as the general transitional relief scheme comes to an end.

    The effect of my proposals into 1991–92 is that, as the Welsh CCSS for next year is £228, the islanders will each pay 80 per cent. of that figure, or £182–and so will in effect receive relief of £46 per head. If the charge actually set is lower than the CCSS, then the islanders will each pay only 80 per cent. of that lower charge. However, if the relevant authorities' spend is such that the charge set exceeds £228, each islander will pay 80 per cent. of the CCSS plus the amount by which the charge set exceeds the CCSS. Therefore, Dyfed county council and South Pembrokeshire district council will want to set their budgets in such a way as to enable the islanders to gain maximum benefit from the scheme that I have described.

    Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

    The House divided: Ayes 188, Noes 4.

    Division No. 320]

    [6.52 pm

    AYES

    Abbott, Ms DianeFairbairn, Sir Nicholas
    Alexander, RichardFallon, Michael
    Alison, Rt Hon MichaelFavell, Tony
    Amess, DavidFenner, Dame Peggy
    Arbuthnot, JamesFinsberg, Sir Geoffrey
    Arnold, Sir ThomasFishburn, John Dudley
    Ashby, DavidFisher, Mark
    Aspinwall, JackFlynn, Paul
    Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)Fookes, Dame Janet
    Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
    Banks, Tony (Newham NW)Forth, Eric
    Beaumont-Dark, AnthonyFreeman, Roger
    Bellingham, HenryFrench, Douglas
    Bevan, David GilroyGlyn, Dr Sir Alan
    Bidwell, SydneyGodman, Dr Norman A.
    Blackburn, Dr John G.Goodhart, Sir Philip
    Bonsor, Sir NicholasGoodlad, Alastair
    Boscawen, Hon RobertGoodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
    Boswell, TimGreenway, Harry (Ealing N)
    Bottomley, PeterGreenway, John (Ryedale)
    Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaGriffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
    Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n)Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
    Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Grist, Ian
    Bowis, JohnGround, Patrick
    Brazier, JulianGummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
    Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)Hague, William
    Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon AlickHanley, Jeremy
    Burns, SimonHargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
    Burt, AlistairHargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
    Butcher, JohnHarris, David
    Butler, ChrisHawkins, Christopher
    Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney
    Campbell-Savours, D. N.Heathcoat-Amory, David
    Carlisle, John, (Luton N)Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
    Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Hill, James
    Carrington, MatthewHind, Kenneth
    Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaHoward, Rt Hon Michael
    Chapman, SydneyHowarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
    Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
    Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
    Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)Howells, Geraint
    Conway, DerekHughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
    Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
    Coombs, Simon (Swindon)Hunter, Andrew
    Corbyn, JeremyJack, Michael
    Cran, JamesJanman, Tim
    Cryer, BobJessel, Toby
    Curry, DavidJohnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
    Dalyell, TamJones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
    Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
    Davis, David (Boothferry)Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
    Day, StephenKellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
    Dicks, TerryKilfedder, James
    Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesKing, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
    Dover, DenKing, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater)
    Dunn, BobKirkhope, Timothy
    Durant, TonyKnapman, Roger

    Knight, Greg (Derby North)Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
    Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)Pawsey, James
    Lang, IanPortillo, Michael
    Lawrence, IvanPowell, Ray (Ogmore)
    Lee, John (Pendle)Price, Sir David
    Leighton, RonRaison, Rt Hon Timothy
    Lennox-Boyd, Hon MarkRenton, Rt Hon Tim
    Lightbown, DavidRhodes James, Robert
    Lilley, PeterRiddick, Graham
    Lord, MichaelRifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
    McCartney, IanRoberts, Sir Wyn (Conwy)
    McCrindle, RobertSackville, Hon Tom
    McFall, JohnShaw, David (Dover)
    MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
    McNair-Wilson, Sir PatrickShelton, Sir William
    Madel, DavidShepherd, Colin (Hereford)
    Malins, HumfreySims, Roger
    Mans, KeithSkeet, Sir Trevor
    Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir PatrickSpeller, Tony
    Meyer, Sir AnthonyStanbrook, Ivor
    Michael, AlunStern, Michael
    Miller, Sir HalStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
    Mills, IainStewart, Andy (Sherwood)
    Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)Strang, Gavin
    Moate, RogerSumberg, David
    Monro, Sir HectorSummerson, Hugo
    Morrison, Sir CharlesTaylor, Teddy (S'end E)
    Moss, MalcolmTrotter, Neville
    Mudd, DavidWaldegrave, Rt Hon William
    Murphy, PaulWalker, Bill (T'side North)
    Nelson, AnthonyWheeler, Sir John
    Neubert, MichaelWiddecombe, Ann
    Nicholson, David (Taunton)Wood, Timothy
    Norris, SteveYeo, Tim
    Onslow, Rt Hon CranleyYoung, Sir George (Acton)
    Oppenheim, Phillip
    Paice, James

    Tellers for the Ayes:

    Patnick, Irvine

    Mr. Neil Hamilton and

    Patten, Rt Hon John

    Mr. John M. Taylor.

    NOES

    Madden, Max
    Skinner, Dennis

    Tellers for the Noes:

    Wardell, Gareth (Gower)

    Mr. Ron Davies and

    Wise, Mrs Audrey

    Mr. Rhodri Morgan.

    Bill accordingly read the Third time, and passed.

    On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I wonder if you could confirm that the Caldey Island Bill which has just been given a Third Reading was a Bill to extend the franchise, and some hon. Members were here to vote on it, but it is a matter of regret that the hon. Member for Pembroke (Mr. Bennett)—the area concerned—was apparently unable to make the Lobby in time.

    As the hon. Member is aware, hon. Members' attendance in the House has nothing whatsoever to do with the Chair.