House of Commons
Wednesday 12 December 2007
The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock
Prayers
[Mr. Speaker in the Chair]
Oral Answers to Questions
Duchy of Lancaster
The Minister for the Cabinet Office and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster was asked—
Third Sector
St. Theodore’s church— (173050)
Order. The Minister must answer the hon. Lady’s main question before she puts a supplementary question to him.
Through its 160,000 charities, 55,000 social enterprises and 20 million volunteers, the third sector makes an enormous contribution to our society. The Parliamentary Secretary to the Cabinet Office, my hon. Friend the Member for Corby (Phil Hope)—who is responsible for the third sector—will announce today that the Community Development Foundation is to run a new £130 million grass-roots grants programme to improve funding for the smallest organisations that are the lifeblood of our local communities, and I hope that it will be welcomed throughout the House.
Now. St Theodore’s church?
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke too soon because I am so excited about the fact that, in my constituency, the Mothers’ Union has just celebrated its 85th birthday in St Theodore’s church. It has completed 85 years of championing social change and progress, helping young people to develop alternatives to temptations in the world of drugs and alcohol, offering parenting skills, teaching numeracy and literacy and, now, providing parental support for prisoners in my local prison. Does my right hon. Friend agree that organisations such as the Mothers’ Union are essential to social change and progress in this country?
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We all need diversions from temptation, and it is very important that the Mothers’ Union is providing them. My hon. Friend also makes a serious point about the diversity of the activities in which third-sector organisations engage, helping people in innumerable different ways. We want to find ways of encouraging that. Governments do not create the dynamism that comes from organisations such as the Mothers’ Union, but they can help, and that is the point of the small-grants programme that we have announced today.
I think that everyone will praise the contribution made by the voluntary sector in all parts of society in the United Kingdom, but there is an increasing problem in that the population is growing older, and younger and middle-aged people are not volunteering at all. How do the Government propose to surmount that difficulty?
I know that the hon. Lady takes a close interest in voluntary sector issues, and she is right to say that we need to do what we can to encourage young people to volunteer. That is the point of the arm’s length organisation v, funded but not run by Government, which is creating new volunteering opportunities for young people all over the country. It has created 200,000 so far, and is on the way to creating a million.
As the hon. Lady says, we need to encourage that culture of volunteering among both young people and middle-aged people, among whom I count myself. She will be pleased to learn that v is doing that, and I hope that it will be doing some work in her constituency.
Does my right hon. Friend agree that those in the voluntary sector have been pioneers in developing policy and helping the Government to do so? I think especially of the hospice movement. Is my right hon. Friend aware of the work of George Thomas hospice in my constituency, which of course is named after a former Speaker?
I too congratulate the hospice on its work in my hon. Friend’s constituency. She has made an interesting point about the way in which the voluntary sector can add to the great work done by the public services—in this case, the national health service. There is always a need to ensure that it does not replace public spending, and the Government’s approach is that it is not an excuse for them not to fund public services properly; but throughout the country, in many different ways, voluntary organisations add to the work that the public services do.
The Minister is trying to hustle the Charity Commission into allowing the establishment of charities whose main activity is political campaigning. The Smith Institute, a registered charity, recently issued a publication that stated
“Britain is a better country because of the choices that voters made in 1997, 2001 and 2005”.
[Hon. Members: “Hear, hear.”] Labour Members make my point for me. Does the Minister think that political statements of that kind enhance or undermine public confidence in charities?
I have never been a hustler, and I am not about to start now. The question of individual charities is for the Charity Commission and not for me.
Campaigning by voluntary sector organisations is a live issue between those on the Front Benches. Our position is clear: we believe that third-sector organisations should be able to campaign for changes in the law in support of their charitable objectives. They have told us that the guidance is unclear, which is why we are pleased that the Charity Commission is rewriting its guidance.
I find it sad that the hon. Gentleman is, in a way, engaged in a personal crusade to return to the position taken by the Conservative party in the 1980s—one of hostility to campaigning by the voluntary sector. We want never to return to those days, and I hope that the hon. Gentleman will see reason.
I would like to hustle the Minister straight away. He mentioned the £130 million grass-roots grant. How can charitable organisations in my constituency, such as cricket and rugby clubs and the hospice movement, apply for that? To ensure that there is dynamism, will the application process be free of significant bureaucracy?
My hon. Friend raises a big challenge for Government, and it is important that we meet it. Let me briefly say something about the way the scheme will operate. The money will be distributed by the Community Development Foundation, not centrally to local organisations in his constituency, but to local partner organisations who know the circumstances on the ground. We hope that by the middle of next year, when those partners have been chosen, organisations such as those in my hon. Friend’s constituency will be able to apply for the money. I hesitate to say this, but we will make good on this promise: there should be as light a touch as possible in the application process, because that approach is incredibly important for the smallest organisations in the country.
Cross-departmental Co-ordination
The Department’s performance is measured in a number of ways, which include tracking progress against the Department’s new public service agreements on adult exclusion and service transformation, the Department’s strategic objectives and the programme of capability reviews across government.
With the Government’s programme in disarray, the Treasury staggering from crisis to crisis, the Home Office not fit for purpose and the Ministry of Defence not doing its job, if this were a football club would not the manager be getting the sack?
It is Sven.
I am delighted to receive such an appropriate question from such an appropriate Member, but I am afraid that I cannot agree with his description of the Government. I can assure him and the whole House that we have stretching targets. We are not satisfied with where we are, but what I recognise are the statistics and results for people, such as on child poverty—600,000 have been lifted out of poverty—and the fact that millions of people are benefiting from new tax credits and benefits to support children, and that children are doing better in education than they have done for many a year. I assure the House that through Ministers and Departments working together and through the work of Cabinet and Cabinet Committees and the delivery unit, we have a robust system to check constantly our progress on how we are delivering. For the first time, this Government have brought in a rigorous process of capabilities reviews to check and address Departments’ capacities to deliver. I hope the hon. Gentleman will support such moves.
One of the Cabinet Office’s key responsibilities across government is information security. In June, it received the Coleman review of Government information assurance, which stated in clear terms that
“adequate mechanisms are not yet in place”.
Will the Minister tell us which Minister in the Cabinet Office read that report and what steps were taken in response to it?
That question was put to my right hon. Friend the Minister for the Cabinet Office and was answered yesterday, but let me reassure the House that trust in our systems is of course absolutely paramount. The report referred to was indeed a useful contribution to the national information assurance strategy, which was published on 27 June. I also assure the House that we constantly review our whole strategy. Technology moves on, and the Cabinet Secretary will conduct a review that will report shortly on data handling in Departments and agencies—and may I suggest that we could usefully turn to that?
I think that we can take it from that answer that no Minister read that important report. Does not the fact that just months later half of the country’s personal data were lost because of atrocious information security systems—in a department cobbled together by the Treasury when the Minister for the Cabinet Office was a key adviser in the Treasury—show a shocking lack of grip and competence, and should not the Minister for the Cabinet Office be spending less time writing manifestos for bottled elections and more time running the Department he is paid by the taxpayer to run?
I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman feels that way. I have described to the House what is a robust and rigorous system. Of course, no Government could give the assurance that in every case everything will turn out right. If the right hon. Gentleman is suggesting that his Government could have done that, I would be interested to hear that. We should be looking forward. The Prime Minister has asked the Cabinet Secretary to conduct a thorough review across government and all the Departments and agencies that handle data. That report will be published shortly. Parliament will be well advised of it, and I think the right hon. Gentleman would be well advised to await the outcome of that review—to look forward rather than back.
Should not the Cabinet Office be rather more effective and proactive across government in reducing the Government’s overall carbon footprint? Is the Minister aware of last week’s National Audit Office report, which showed that performance against Government targets for reducing carbon emissions is poor and that electricity consumption has rocketed? Is it not time that we had a little less greenwash from the Cabinet Office and a bit more effectiveness, so that it puts its own green house in order?
It might help if I were to remind the House that we are the first Government to publish a climate change Bill, and I hope that we will be given full support on that. It would also be useful if we were to remind ourselves that the Cabinet Office’s role is to support Cabinet and Cabinet committees—that includes a range of issues—to co-ordinate emergency and crisis response, and to strengthen the civil service’s capability. We are talking about the National Audit Office, so perhaps I could do no better than to quote its recent report about the Cabinet Office. The report said that in helping to meet targets on the Government’s programme of priorities, the Cabinet Office has
“an effective system for measuring other departments’ progress in achieving their PSA targets.”
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will be pleased to hear that.
Social Exclusion
Following work with eight Departments, early in the new year we will publish the second part of the families at risk review. Its starting point is that investment in families, which has seen child poverty fall by 600,000, must be backed up by better services, including those for adults. So we will work with local authorities to ensure that whether it is in relation to health, housing or criminal justice, the needs and interests of the family as a whole are better recognised.
As the Minister has mentioned, over the past 10 years we have taken 600,000 children out of poverty. However, we face major difficulties in delivering on our targets for 2010 and 2020. What more can my right hon. Friend do to ensure that we reach those targets in the time scales envisaged?
My hon. Friend rightly says that we have made important progress since 1997—taking 600,000 children out of relative poverty at a time when incomes are growing is an important achievement—but we have a lot further to go. We need to do three things. First, we need to continue to raise the incomes of people in poverty. Secondly, we must do more to encourage people in poverty to go into work—the announcements by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions are designed to do that, including for single parents. Thirdly, we need to improve services. The children’s plan, which was published yesterday, and the measures that we will take in January to help families at risk will all contribute to that. We have a strategy to carry on tackling child poverty and to build on the progress that we have made.
The lack of decent social housing for vulnerable groups and families at risk of social exclusion is a particularly poignant problem at this time of year. What will the Minister do to ensure improved co-ordination between all Departments so that we can deliver better on that problem?
The hon. Gentleman is right to say that the issue of substandard housing is important. I believe I am right in saying that, since 1997, 1 million children have been taken out of substandard housing through the investment that we have made. I hope that he will support our plans to build 3 million homes over the coming years. I am afraid that some councils—obviously this is not a party political point—oppose those measures. I hope that he will join us in pledging to build 3 million homes over the coming years.
Many thousands of low-income families in this country do not have cars and live in isolated communities where there is poor public transport. They have some access to financial services through post offices, but they will no longer have that access in the months to come. Will the Minister have a word with his ministerial equivalent in the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform, particularly in respect of tightening up the framework on closures where the post office is the only shop in the village? Such closures will plunge thousands of families into social exclusion.
The consultation on local post offices is ongoing, and I know that we subsidise those offices to the tune of some £150 million a year. The other point that my hon. Friend makes is about the quality of bus services needed to get people to where they want to go. The Local Transport Bill is so important because it will improve bus services significantly outside London.
Are not some of the families most at risk from social exclusion those who have to deal daily with the Child Support Agency and Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs on tax credits? This is not a political point, but is there anything that the Minister can do to improve the bureaucratic performance, especially of HMRC, so that families that are already hard pressed financially do not also have to suffer the stress of grappling with that faceless bureaucracy week in, week out, which only adds to their many difficulties?
There is always more to be done to improve the performance of departments such as the CSA and HMRC in delivering a good service. All of us see that in our local surgeries. The CSA is being reformed, and tax credits have helped millions of families, but that is no excuse for bad administration. We need to do more to improve matters, and that is what is going to happen.
Youth Volunteering
The Government will be investing £117 million in youth volunteering through the youth-led charitable organisation v from 2008-2011. That is the biggest ever investment in youth volunteering.
In addition, we are supporting other youth volunteer programmes, including a £500,000 project for young adult volunteers to mentor young adult offenders and more than £400,000 for a project with local councils to engage young people in local volunteering activities.
I am grateful for that answer. Does my hon. Friend agree that one area in which young people can contribute is helping other young people? Will he join me in congratulating SHAID—Single Homeless Action in Derwentside—a group of young people in my constituency who give advice on homelessness to other young people? They provide a service that is not provided by any other agency locally.
I am happy to join my hon. Friend in congratulating SHAID in his constituency. He is right: peer volunteering—young people helping other young people—is an important and constructive approach. I know that he plays a big role as a local champion of such projects in his constituency. The record investment is helping young people not only to help the community, but to help themselves. Those who volunteer get a huge amount out of the contribution that they make. Other MPs might follow my hon. Friend’s example and take the opportunity of this time of year to send a message of thanks and congratulations to charities and third-sector organisations that will be working really hard to support some vulnerable people in our communities.
In addition to the Government’s volunteering initiatives, will the Minister encourage all his colleagues and all right hon. and hon. Members to recognise the role of the cadet units in the armed services and the emergency services? Will he encourage people to join youth organisations such as the Boys’ Brigade, the Guides, the Woodcraft Folk and so on, and later become assistant leaders and instructors? Will he also encourage the Department for Children, Schools and Families to have positions of responsibility at all ages in schools so that pupils get used to organising themselves and others, and then go on to join the more normal volunteer organisations?
I agree with everything that the hon. Gentleman has said. Many young people get a huge amount out of joining a variety of voluntary youth organisations, including uniformed organisations and many others. An opportunity to volunteer can often be a pathway: one starts by joining an organisation and then becoming a leader in it, gaining huge skills that help in education and perhaps in getting a job later. It looks good on the CV if someone has been part of such organisations. Many young people have increasing opportunities at school to undertake social enterprise activities that give them a chance to plan and deliver projects of their own that can help other people.
How can the Minister ensure that all young people have the wonderful opportunity to volunteer to do good public service? How will he spread that message to schools and other institutions, and will he ensure that local authorities and public bodies do not put any hurdles in the way of young people who want to volunteer?
I agree with my hon. Friend. My right hon. Friend the Minister for the Cabinet Office and I launched the national youth volunteering programme in November, with £75 million to be spent through v, the youth-led charity organisation to deliver volunteering opportunities through national youth organisations and youth action teams working in every local authority. I hope that every young person will have a variety of part-time, full-time and leisure time opportunities to give something back to the community and enjoy themselves in the process.
Lancashire police have been very successful in recruiting volunteers. Will my hon. Friend look at ways to enable them to increase the number of young volunteers who are working with the police to give a good service to the people of Lancashire?
May I congratulate my hon. Friend on the work that he does to support young volunteers in his constituency? I was involved in the “Second Wave” project in London recently, where I saw first hand a number of black young people working with the police in their community. They talked and worked together to bring about a safer community both for young people and the wider community. There is a lot more that we could be doing to engage the police with young people in volunteering opportunities to create better communities for all of them to live in.
Youth Volunteering
The national youth volunteering programme is the main part of v’s activities and involves funding 152 organisations to recruit volunteers up and down the country and in every local authority to form a team to promote volunteering to young people. Over the coming three years, that will help v progress towards its objective of 1 million new volunteers.
May I welcome this truly record investment in the youth volunteering programme? Will the Minister tell me how many young people will benefit? Will he investigate how he can work with you, Mr. Speaker, to establish how we can lead on citizenship and volunteering? Will he visit my constituency to see how we can promote awareness of this wonderful programme?
I am certainly happy to visit my hon. Friend’s constituency to see the work that is being done there. She makes an important point about the role of citizenship in our society. Recognising the voice and talents of young people is what the v scheme does. It is run by a dynamic group of young people called v20, who control much of the programme. It is a good example of the great things that young people can do in our country.
Last Saturday night, I was invited to watch 150 young men take part in a football tournament organised by Sport Lincs with the aim of reducing antisocial behaviour. They want to encourage young people to become volunteer coaches so that the campaign can continue. What funding is available for such projects?
My hon. Friend mentions a worthwhile project. I know from my own area that midnight football can make a huge difference to young people by providing diversionary activities from antisocial behaviour. I hope that that is the sort of thing that v will fund and I encourage my hon. Friend to apply for such funding.
Volunteers
In the third sector review the Government committed to developing a sector skills strategy. As part of that, on 26 November my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Innovation, Universities and Skills announced that the train to gain skills programme will be extended to volunteers. That will allow thousands of people in the third sector, paid and unpaid, to gain the skills that they need to be able to contribute fully to a thriving third sector.
I thank my hon. Friend for that response. He will know that volunteers and voluntary organisations the length and breadth of the country are important in building sustainable and stronger communities, no more so than two projects in my constituency: the Activity Loft on the Vineries estate and the Sunlight centre. Both are award-winning projects. What steps will he take to ensure that they get full access to such train to gain schemes, against the pressures of time and with as much ease as possible?
I can give my hon. Friend some good news. The train to gain programme, which will now include skills funding for volunteers, will make a huge difference. The Sunlight Development Trust—one of more than 400 development trusts with more than 15,000 volunteers—will greatly benefit from those resources. My hon. Friend hosted a reception in the Commons where those trusts presented him and other MPs with awards. They described him as a committed and hard working constituency MP who was approachable, honest and truly committed to social justice and working with the most vulnerable. I could not agree with them more.
I can only say that I agree with the organisation that said that
“the third sector is in vibrant health…more Third Sector Organisations than ever…more Government funding than ever.”
That organisation was the Conservative social justice policy group.
Charity Bank in the North
I was privileged to attend the launch last month of the Charity Bank in the North, which aims to make over £20 million available to the third sector in the Yorkshire and Humber region. I hope very much that that investment will help third-sector organisations to grow in new ways over the years ahead.
The voluntary sector is thriving in the coalfield communities. In particular, the Coal Industry Social Welfare Organisation offers a one-stop shop for people in mining villages and continuity for the recreation facilities provided in those villages. What advice does he have for CISWO and other voluntary sector organisations in the coalfield communities about accessing the finances of the Charity Bank?
I know very well from my constituency the good work that CISWO does. I would encourage it and other voluntary sector organisations to apply to the Charity Bank in the North for funding. I hope that that will help them to prosper in the years ahead and to improve the work that they do for communities throughout the coalfield areas.
Prime Minister
The Prime Minister was asked—
Defence Export Services Organisation
First of all, I am sure that the whole House will wish to join me in sending our profound condolences to the family and friends of Sergeant Lee Johnson of 2nd Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment, who was killed in Afghanistan on Saturday. We owe him, and others who have lost their lives, a deep debt of gratitude.
On changes in the defence exports organisation, I can tell the House that we have separated the awarding of export licences from the promotion of defence exports. The Secretaries of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform, Defence, and Foreign Affairs were all consulted. As the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform announced yesterday, there will be a separate defence and security group within UK Trade and Investment. It will recruit seconded staff from the Ministry of Defence and it will be ready to expand its sales by drawing on UKTI’s links with up to 100 countries.
I entirely endorse what the Prime Minister said about Sergeant Johnson.
One name was missing from the Prime Minister’s list of Ministers consulted—that of Lord Drayson. Is not it a fact that he was not consulted, and did not give his approval for this disastrous change? Is not that why that excellent ex-Minister now prefers to spend his time going round in circles on a motor racing track, rather than doing the same thing as a member of this hopelessly failing Government?
As everybody knows, Lord Drayson remains a member of our Business Council for Britain. He left the Government for personal reasons that I hope that everybody understands. As for the defence exports organisation, I think that the hon. Gentleman should agree that it is right to separate the awarding of export licences from the promotion of defence exports. It is also right that the defence exports organisation, which operated in only 19 countries, is now able to draw on the expertise of UKTI, which operates in 100 countries. Defence exports will benefit, as the head of British Aerospace acknowledged in a statement only yesterday.
As a former member of the Quadripartite Committee on arms exports, and someone who campaigned for many years for reform of the DESO, I should like to congratulate the Prime Minister. He has done the right thing.
This market is worth £5 billion a year for Britain, and we account for 20 per cent. of world exports. However, it is right to separate the awarding of licences from the promotion of exports. That is what we have done. The defence exports organisation, which is now part of UKTI, will benefit from that and, over a period of time, the whole House will see the wisdom of the decision.
Engagements
I held meetings with Ministers this morning. In addition to my duties in the House, I shall have further meetings with Ministers later today.
My constituents are battling against the closure of not 18 per cent. of sub-post office branches —the national average—but in some cases 50 per cent. across the constituency, despite a well above average pensioner population, and the fact that the remaining Crown branches are unable to cope with demand. At the same time, my councils face a £650,000 shortfall in the bus concessionary fares scheme, West Sussex county council again has the lowest grant increase, and we are still waiting to hear which hospitals will be downgraded. Will the Prime Minister meet a delegation of my local residents to explain to them what we are doing so wrong in West Sussex to be treated so unfairly?
That is the longest spending bid from the party that wants to cut public spending, rather than increase it. As for local post offices, I understand people’s frustrations, but there is a recognised appeal system, which will involve Postwatch, and we have put in £1.7 billion to help post offices. Not a penny was put in by the Conservative Government.
The Prime Minister has paid tribute to Sergeant Lee Johnson. I add mine. Lee Johnson was a constituent of mine; he served bravely in the Army for 18 years. He was due to come home this Christmas but decided to stay to finish his command tour with his serving group. Will my right hon. Friend reassure the House that Lee Johnson’s fiancée and his two children will be treated in the best way by the armed forces, and given all that a serving officer who died so bravely deserves?
I endorse what my hon. Friend said about both the bravery and the dedication of Lee Johnson. I also endorse what she says about our duties to the widows and families of those who have died. Sergeant Johnson was serving bravely in an exercise in Afghanistan that yielded great success for the expedition against the Taliban, and the whole House will want to pay tribute not just to him but to the dedication of all the servicemen and women involved.
I join the Prime Minister and the hon. Lady in paying tribute to Sergeant Lee Johnson, who was killed on Saturday in southern Afghanistan.
May I turn to another part of the world where British soldiers are stationed? The deadline for discussions on the future status of Kosovo expired on Monday. What does the Prime Minister expect to happen next?
There will be a discussion this weekend at the European Council; this is a European responsibility. We believe that Kosovo should move to supervised independence. It has not been possible to get an agreement between the Kosovans and the Serbians. We believe that the European Union must make resources available to match the forces already in Kosovo, and we hope we can move to what we call supervised independence—in other words, the Kosovans will have their rights met, but in conditions where we do not have violence.
I am grateful for the Prime Minister’s answer. Are not there three clear principles that we have to follow? First, Kosovo cannot be left in some sort of suspended constitutional limbo. Secondly, the resolution of Kosovo’s final status cannot involve the reopening of borders anywhere else in the region. Thirdly, should we not use NATO reserve force to reinforce, as a precautionary measure, the troops who are in Bosnia? Will the Prime Minister follow those very clear principles?
I think it would be premature to put forces in at this stage. There are already forces in Kosovo. A statement was made to the House yesterday. It is the last area of the Balkans where we need to have arrangements in place that will ensure peace and stability in the future. I personally believe that the Serbians have an interest in working with the European Union, and we must persuade them to do so, but the important point is that we support the supervised independence of the Kosovan people. That will be reiterated by the European Council tomorrow. The message is going out loud and clear to Serbia and Russia that this is the course we wish to take, and I hope that there will be all-party support for the action we are taking.
Will my right hon. Friend find time in his schedule to look at the successes of Daresbury laboratory and the science and innovation campus there, where Government investment is being used to create world-leading science and put it into production?
I have talked to my hon. Friend and to a delegation from the north-west about the important work being done there. I know there was disappointment a few years when the synchrotron investment did not come its way, but I know, too, of the path-breaking research that is being done there. Over recent years, we have doubled the science budget, and the future of north-west science facilities is an important part of that. I will continue to work with my hon. Friend to secure the future of her area.
May I add my condolences to the family of Sergeant Johnson?
When the Prime Minister tucks into his Brussels sprouts on his one day off at Christmas, which of the various disasters of the last six months will haunt him most: his indecision over the election, his inaction over Northern Rock, or the gross incompetence of the loss of 25 million people’s personal data?
It is nice to have the hon. Gentleman here, and I thank him for his appearances over the last few weeks. Given the history of the Liberal party, it may not be long before he is back in that place again, representing his party. As for the issues of the last few months, we have made long-term decisions on energy, the environment, transport, infrastructure, planning, skills and the economy, and that is what governing is all about.
Given the Prime Minister’s own position, he might not be wise to speculate about leadership elections. Is not the real disaster, for which he has personal responsibility, the continuing tragedy in Iraq? When he was in Basra this week, was he told that at least 40 women have been executed for personal immorality? Is that why 173 British troops have died—transferring power from the fascist regime of Saddam Hussein to the terror of the fascist militia who run the streets of Basra?
Iraq is now a democracy. Millions of people have voted. When I went to Basra, only two days ago, I found that there had been a 90 per cent. fall in violence over the last few months. We are now able to hand over Basra to provincial Iraqi control. So instead of the British forces having to engage in a combat role, we will, over time, be engaged in a training role, supporting the Iraqi forces. Over these last few months, 50,000 people have been trained as police and security forces. This is Iraqis taking control of their own security. I would have thought that, even with the differences over the war, the hon. Gentleman would have welcomed the progress that is being made.
Since Northern Rock has exposed widespread trading in worthless financial derivatives, gross exploitation of tax havens, opaque accountancy and gross exploitation of charity tax laws, will my right hon. Friend set up a committee of inquiry into the governance, accounting, auditing and transparency of the UK banking system?
We will investigate any specific issue that my right hon. Friend brings to our attention, but surely, for this House and for the people of this country, the most important thing is to protect the savers, depositors and mortgage holders of Northern Rock. Throughout, we have taken the right decision, so that savers, depositors and mortgage holders can be protected against the global financial turbulence that has affected them.
What is happening in Scotland is this: to pay the police more, the planned increase of 500 policemen has been suspended. I know what my constituents and the hon. Gentleman’s constituents would prefer—that there were police on the streets. We have more police in this country on the streets, helping us, than at any time in our history. I more than anybody would like to be able to say to the police that we could pay their wages and their salary rise in full, but I have to say to them that no policeman and no person across the country would thank us if their pay rise was wiped out by inflation—and no party should know that better than the Opposition, given that there was 10 per cent. inflation in the 1990s. That is why the awards are being staged. Over the last 10 years, police pay has risen by 39 per cent., and by 9 per cent. in real terms. We have managed to combine that with having rises in police numbers and the biggest police force in history. That is the policy of the Government.
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have to be tough on antisocial behaviour and abusive drinking among young people, and at the same time, we must say to young people that if they want to get off the streets, we will provide youth facilities for them. Yesterday’s children’s plan was historic, because it was the first announcement of youth centres for every constituency in this country, with £160 million to be spent over the next three years. That is honouring our commitments to the teenagers of this country, in the same way as we have honoured our commitments to young children with Sure Start centres. I hope that there will be all-party support for this new investment.
In February, the present Foreign Secretary said:
“I predict…in six months or a year’s time, people will be saying, ‘Wouldn’t it be great to have that Blair back, because we can’t stand that Gordon Brown’.”
Is the Prime Minister grateful to have such a far-sighted Foreign Secretary?
Once again, when the right hon. Gentleman has chances to ask questions about policy, he ducks them at every point. I will tell him what this Government are doing. Today’s employment figures are the best in history, and unemployment is falling faster. The minimum wage is rising and there is more investment in the health service. That is what a Labour Government are about.
I will tell the Prime Minister what his policies have achieved: the first run on a bank in 140 years—and he has lost half the country’s bank details and triggered a police investigation into his own party. That is what he has achieved.
Let me try another question. Why does the Prime Minister think that Tony Blair has described his Cabinet as the B team?
Again, nothing about substance. The right hon. Gentleman said on television on Sunday that he was desperate to talk about education—but when he gets the chance, he talks about gossip. When it comes to rising to the challenges of this country, over the past few weeks we have made decisions on housing, education and health. That is what governing is about, not gimmicks.
But it is the substance that is going wrong for the Prime Minister. Look at the big decisions. We have small businesses up and down the country that want to know about capital gains tax, but he will not decide. We have tens of thousands of pensioners wanting decisions on their pensions, but he will not decide. We have the whole reputation of the country being wrecked because of Northern Rock, but he will not decide. We have a Prime Minister who cannot even decide whether he is going to go to Lisbon—is he going to sign the European treaty? Is it not clear that we now have an utterly dysfunctional Government?
Nothing to say about the big policy issues! On pensions, this Government have brought in the winter allowance, and that is why millions of pensioners are getting the winter allowance this Christmas. On the economy, we have the fastest growing economy in Europe, which is why today’s employment figures are so good. On the health service, we have cut waiting lists as the Conservatives never did. That Government failed; this Government succeed.
The Prime Minister’s Government are failing because they are dysfunctional. The Foreign Secretary gets his speeches rewritten after they have been briefed out. The security Minister is not allowed to speak about detention without trial. The Chancellor is so frozen out of decisions that he has become a national joke in the City of London. If the Prime Minister will not listen to his Cabinet, why should anyone else? For a decade he told us that if only he were in charge, we would have competence, trust and change. Instead, this year we have seen drift, dithering and incompetence. Is not 2007 the year that he got found out?
Pre-prepared phrases—and still, after two years as leader of the Conservative party, absolutely no substance.
When it comes to the big issues, over 10 years we have maintained stability in the economy. Over 10 years, employment has risen and rising living standards have happened. Nearly 2 million home owners have been created over the past 10 years, and more people are in jobs than ever before. That is what governing is about. The right hon. Gentleman has gimmicks; we will continue to govern.
Does my right hon. Friend recall saying, in answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Perry Barr (Mr. Mahmood) on 28 November:
“We are trying to remove every barrier to young people getting the chance of both training and jobs.”—[Official Report, 28 November 2007; Vol. 468, c. 278.]?
Does he agree that transport costs can represent such a barrier? Will he ask the Government office for the north-east to support the campaign by the North East Regional Youth Assembly to bring about concessionary travel for young people between the ages of 14 and 18, so that they can take full advantage of the education and training opportunities available to them?
We will certainly look at anything that removes the barriers to young people getting jobs. We have introduced changes that will make it possible after the age of 16 for young people without qualifications to make the transition to work. For those who are in work, where travel costs are high, we are already helping adults as a result of an announcement made two weeks ago, and I will look at what my hon. Friend says about young people. We will take action to remove any barrier to young people getting jobs.
As the hon. Gentleman knows, the Young report is considering how we can move to a 90 per cent. guarantee for the 125,000 people who have lost their pensions through no fault of their own. As he also knows, we have already provided £8 billion over a number of years to make good the provision of pensions. The Young report is now showing that there are more resources available, and I am confident that in the next few days we will be able to announce that there will be a 90 per cent. guarantee for all the 125,000 pensioners.
Will the Prime Minister make contact with the authorities in the United Arab Emirates to ask about the whereabouts of Alsadiq Abdullah, who disappeared on 23 September and has not been seen since?
I understand that the constituent to whom my hon. Friend refers is a British business man, but he has Sudanese nationality. It is a matter for the Sudanese to put pressure on that Government. I believe that that is happening, and we will support the Sudanese in anything they do.
I am happy to tell the hon. Gentleman that it was the Government who made the decision to make the Bank of England independent. I am afraid I have to remind him that that was opposed every inch of the way in the Lobby by the Conservative party. I hope that the Opposition have thought better of their ways, because that was the right decision for Britain.
I understand that the Conservative- led council is cutting services in my hon. Friend’s constituency. That is damaging to the local people. Value for money is the big test of whether services are provided in the best way for people, and from what I gather, the council in that area is not providing value for money for the local people.
Will the Prime Minister join me in congratulating our superb military on driving the Taliban out of Musa Qala after a fiercely fought operation? But does he realise that a great opportunity to win hearts and minds was lost because families and friends had to learn of details of that major and critical engagement from the media, with minimal input from the Ministry of Defence? Will he ensure that this regrettable omission does not recur in future, and that the MOD drives—
It is for the Ministry of Defence, but particularly for the commanders on the ground, to decide what is right in the particular instance of an operation that is being carried out. I understand that a lot of the information was being provided by the Taliban, who were trying to make a propaganda gain out of what was happening. I am satisfied that our commanders on the ground were doing exactly the right things by our own people, and I am only sorry that families heard about it in a roundabout way rather than directly from the reports of success.
The expansion of youth centres in our country will be a major feature of the next few years, and I believe that it is a very important contribution to the cohesion of our communities. I have to say that people who oppose the investment of £160 million in youth centres, oppose the education leaving age going up to 18, oppose the status being given to diplomas and then refuse to support education maintenance allowances are from a party that believes in opportunity for some. We believe in opportunity for all.
The police in Scotland are receiving a full pay rise, including back pay, from the—[Interruption.]
Order. Let the hon. Gentleman speak.
I will enjoy saying this again. The police in Scotland are receiving a full pay rise, including back pay, from the Scottish National party Government. Will the Prime Minister take this opportunity to congratulate First Minister Salmond on that fair decision?
No. The SNP said in its manifesto:
“we will set out plans in our first Budget for Scotland for 1000 more police”.
It did not honour its promises; there were only 500, not 1,000. The hon. Gentleman should be ashamed of his party.
We are the first Government in the world to have a Climate Change Bill that will legally require us to cut carbon emissions over a long period of time. I am proud that this Government announced that measure in the Queen’s Speech. We are also working with other countries at Bali to get an international agreement that will cut carbon emissions, lead to more renewables being used in the supply of energy and make for greater energy efficiency around the world. I appeal to all continents and all countries to join now a global agreement that will cut carbon emissions.
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for raising that issue, and I will be very happy to meet him. It is a very important issue, and we will see what we can do together.
I applaud my hon. Friend for fighting for jobs for his constituency. Science investment will treble over a 15-year period, and that will mean that there will be more jobs in science in all the constituencies of the country. He will be pleased to note today that the employment figures say that employment in Britain is now at 29.4 million—the highest ever recorded in our history, and the result of the fact that we have a Labour Government.
I have looked into this matter and I think that the hon. Gentleman is wrong. Large numbers of pensioners will have their pension advanced to Friday, when it will be paid, as a result of representations already made, and the Post Office has assured us that the remaining number—those who get weekly pensions—will get their pensions on Monday and there will be sufficient facilities available for that pension to be paid to them on Monday. I hope that that clears up any misunderstanding. Pensions will be paid to millions of people on Friday as well as on Monday.
Elderly and disabled people and their carers in my constituency want flexible care arrangements that can give them the maximum possible dignity, and they will welcome the social care reforms announced this week. Can my right hon. Friend assure me that those reforms will continue so that those who depend on social care can have the best possible quality of life?
I applaud the work that my hon. Friend does in promoting the interests of carers and social services generally. The social budgets that are being increased will give people far more freedom to spend money in a way suitable to their needs. That is what making the big decisions about the future is all about. We will invest in social services for the future; the Conservatives will cut the budgets. They are about style, and we are about substance.
Afghanistan
With the support of the whole House, I start by paying tribute to our armed forces in Afghanistan and elsewhere. They are doing vital work, giving so much every day in dangerous places in the service of our country. Let me particularly pay tribute to the 86 British servicemen and women who have lost their lives in Afghanistan, 42 of them this year alone. I know that the whole House will join me in honouring the memory of the fallen and saluting the courage of all our military and civilian personnel.
Let me, on the morning of the capture of Musa Qala, praise the professionalism and resolve of our forces in recent days. They have helped to defeat the insurgents and in a vital district of Afghanistan they have restored peace. Let me make it clear at the outset that as part of a coalition we are winning the battle against the Taliban insurgency. We are isolating and eliminating the leadership of the Taliban; we are not negotiating with them. For six years, 38 countries have come together with the people and Government of Afghanistan to rebuild this failed state, to prevent the return of the Taliban, and to root out al-Qaeda. I can tell the House that Britain will continue to meet our obligations and honour our commitments, discharging our duties on this task and to the people of Afghanistan.
Having been reviewing our strategy since July, I now want to announce the next stage. It is a long-term and comprehensive framework for security, political, social and economic development in support of Afghanistan. This long-term comprehensive framework entails, first, more Afghan ownership, with the Afghan army, police and Government building on NATO military achievements and taking over more responsibility for their own security. Secondly, we support localisation and then reconciliation, with Afghans building on the creation of a democratic constitution by developing and strengthening their institutions not just at national but at provincial and local level as we support that search for political reconciliation. The third aspect is reconstruction. In what is still one of the poorest countries on earth, where only one in three has clean drinking water, life expectancy is just 43, and 80 per cent. of women cannot yet read, we will help to ensure, through reconstruction and development, that more Afghan people have an economic stake in their future. Fourth, to underpin this, we will help to ensure greater burden sharing by all partners and allies, with each of us playing our part—as hard-headed realists, not idealists—in the long haul to help the Afghans themselves to govern and secure their own land, and together therefore shifting our emphasis from short-term stabilisation to long-term development.
The foundation, now and in the future, for our comprehensive framework is military support for the Afghan Government against the Taliban-led insurgency, also denying al-Qaeda a base from which to launch attacks on the world. Throughout last winter, Taliban propagandists repeatedly promised a “spring offensive”. Instead, it is the British and other NATO forces, together with the Afghan army, who have taken the initiative. We have been driving the insurgents and extremists out of their hiding places, preventing them from regrouping and attacking the areas around the provincial capitals where stability is taking hold.
It is this military success that has preserved Afghanistan’s emerging democracy: a constitution, fragile but still intact; a free media; and a changing society where, unlike six years ago when women were banned from education, from work, and from virtually all of public life, there is now a higher proportion of women MPs in Afghanistan than in many western countries, and 5 million children are at school, 2 million of them girls once denied education.
We need to hold and to reinforce what we have achieved together, so Britain will maintain a strong military force in Afghanistan of around today’s figure of 7,800. That is a contribution second in size only to America’s. We will increase our support for our forces: I can announce today, fully funded from the reserve, 150 new protected patrol vehicles specially procured for Afghanistan, bringing to 400 the total of new protected vehicles bought in the last 18 months for Iraq and Afghanistan. We will combine that with increasing numbers of Sea King helicopters in Afghanistan, and through NATO, new contracts will be negotiated for leasing commercial helicopters to move routine freight, freeing up military helicopters for military tasks.
However, because we know that military success is only one part of the framework—a necessary but not sufficient condition for progress in Afghanistan—we will train Afghan forces to take ownership of their own security. Next year, we will aim for 70,000 trained Afghan soldiers, 20,000 more than now, supported by a rising number of British trainers and mentors—340 of them—that will be part of an overall NATO training force of over 6,000. Already, the Afghan army is proving itself in Musa Qala.
But the challenge of supporting an Afghan lead on security goes wider than the armed forces; it includes the police, courts and prisons. Here we are dealing with decades of failure and corruption, and progress has been slow, but by March 2008 there will be over 800 international police trainers, including 65 police from Britain. That must be matched with a wider effort across civic society, which we will continue to support, for judges, courts and prisons—working with the grain of Afghan traditions but within international norms. One way forward is to increase our support for community defence initiatives, where local volunteers are recruited to defend homes and families, modelled on traditional Afghan “arbakai”.
To ensure that longer-term political and economic objectives are the guiding force behind the security campaign, we have brought the British civilian and military personnel together into a colocated headquarters. We will continue to strengthen their integration, and at the same time we will recruit and deploy more specialists who speak the local languages and understand tribal dynamics. But again, the Afghans themselves must be persuaded to take the lead in improving local and national government, and on my recent visit I saw the scale of the challenge, but also the opportunity, and the importance of our support.
I can announce today that from our Afghanistan aid programme, which has already spent £490 million in six years, Britain will fund two additional programmes for local government: first, to help the Afghans create stronger provincial and local governance, including building the capacity of the directorate of local governance and supporting civil society groups to hold local government to account; and, secondly, to provide more support for the national solidarity programme, which builds the capacity of local communities to run their own development projects.
As a measure of the importance we attach to stability in building local capacity, we will immediately move infrastructure projects forward in Musa Qala, which we have recaptured, and upon which we now wish to build, on firmer foundations. That process will include a work programme for up to 10,000 people, and plans to rebuild and refurbish the district centre, and to rebuild the main high school and four mosques in the area.
Our objective is to defeat the insurgency by isolating and eliminating its leadership. I make it clear that we will not enter into any negotiations with these people. As I have also made clear on countless occasions—most recently in Afghanistan—our objective is to root out those preaching and practising violence and murder, in support of men and women of peace. President Karzai’s message to former insurgents is that if they are prepared to renounce violence, abide by the constitution and respect human rights, there is a place for them in the legitimate society and economy of Afghanistan. He and his Ministers told me this week that already some 5,000 fighters have laid down their arms. We will support President Karzai and his Government in their efforts to reconcile all parties to Afghanistan’s democratic constitution.
We know also that Afghanistan will never be stable without the constructive engagement of its neighbours. During my visit, President Karzai agreed on the need for greater regional cooperation. We continue to work with the Afghan and Pakistan Governments, the G8 and others to help bring stability across the Afghan-Pakistan border. Iran, too, must start to play a more constructive role, and I urged President Karzai to turn the current ad hoc meetings and structures that he has with Pakistan and other countries into more substantive mechanisms to bring stability and security to the region.
The third priority is reconstruction and development —always at its most challenging where poverty is combined with insecurity and insurgency, but a strong long-term commitment to which is vital for the Afghan Government if they are to take responsibility successfully for the future of their country. I can therefore announce to the House today that, in total, Britain will make available £450 million in development and stabilisation assistance for Afghanistan for the years 2009 to 2012. This money will cover short-term priorities and longer-term objectives.
When I was in Afghanistan and met local business leaders, President Karzai and I agreed a comprehensive plan, to be taken forward jointly by the Afghan and British Governments and the Aga Khan Development Network, to attract private sector investment into the country and to stimulate new businesses. A new growth fund, starting with an initial £30 million, will kick-start the development of basic legal and regulatory frameworks, build Government capacity to involve the private sector in providing public services, and pilot business training programmes. This will be led by a council of Ministers, business representatives and other experts, who will build contacts with the private sector inside and outside Afghanistan. They will advise the Government on how to increase investment and economic growth, and monitor the progress being made. Britain will also provide an additional £10 million for small loans, which will be of special help particularly to women, to start up or expand businesses; 70 per cent. of the initial applicants have been women.
Our long-term objective is to support Afghanistan’s own national development strategy by channelling our aid through the Afghan Government—which we believe to be the best route to achieving sustainable progress and the best value for money—on a long-term basis, helping the Afghans to plan ahead and, with good governance, to focus on their own priorities of economic growth, improving health and education, and building rural livelihoods. But we also recognise the need for short-term, high-impact stabilisation projects—better roads, more reliable power supplies, clean water and sanitation—which can make an immediate difference to the lives of ordinary Afghanistan citizens and show them the benefits of improved security and governance. Part of the £450 million that I announce today will help to fund Britain’s new cross-government stabilisation unit, which has Afghanistan as its first priority, and which, with a global budget of £260 million over the next three years, will drive forward reconstruction projects and provide expert civilian support to rebuild basic services.
Afghanistan cannot hope for stability while the poison of the narcotics trade continues to flourish, so Britain—Afghanistan’s lead partner nation in tackling narcotics—continues to support the Afghan authorities. We are providing £90 million this year to help them in their long-term efforts against the drugs trade. While the situation with the poppy crop in Helmand province is difficult, it must be our aim to match the progress achieved in the rest of Afghanistan, where the number of poppy-free provinces has increased from six to 13 through a combination of stronger governance, targeted eradication—on which I have urged President Karzai to move forward—disruption of traffickers, strengthening of the justice system, and promoting legitimate agriculture.
We will continue to work with our partners who have proved steadfast in Afghanistan, and I welcome the recent announcements from Denmark, France, the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia that they will maintain or increase their troop numbers. This progress must, I believe, now be matched by contributions from other countries in NATO, the EU and beyond. We are talking to all our partners to address the immediate need for more training teams for the Afghan security forces, especially the police, and we are having detailed talks with a number of countries on more support helicopters, which are needed. Where countries are unable to deploy their own troops or equipment, we are urging them to look at innovative ways to burden share and to help to fund those countries that can provide troops and equipment.
Having described the challenges that we face in Afghanistan, I have set out our long-term commitment. It is to build on the military progress made so far by helping the Afghans to take greater leadership across security, governance and economic development. Because this priority and the need for a more consistent, integrated and co-ordinated international approach are now recognised across our partners, Britain continues to push for what will be the next step in this process: the appointment of a strong UN envoy to bring greater coherence across the international effort in security, governance and development and in relations with the Afghan Government.
Britain will continue to fulfil our obligations to the Afghan people and the international community. We will support the Afghan army, police and Government as they progressively take over greater responsibility for their own security. We will work with our international partners and help the Afghans themselves to strengthen stability, foster democracy and build prosperity. At all times we will support the hard work, dedication, professionalism and courage of our armed forces, who are doing everything in their power to defeat terrorism and to lay the foundations of a stable and secure future for Afghanistan. I commend this statement to the House.
I thank the Prime Minister for his statement; there is much in it that we support and welcome, particularly what he said about equipment. With the recent success in Musa Qala, I believe that we can say that the men and women serving in Helmand today are every bit the equal of those who stormed the beaches in Normandy, who held the line at Inchon in the Korean war, or who retook the Falkland Islands.
Christmas approaches, with our service personnel away from their families. I am sure that this is the time that the whole House will want to send them our very strongest backing. [Hon. Members: “Hear, hear.] I have been to Helmand twice in the last two years, and I have set out previously the significant course corrections that we need to make to avoid failing in Afghanistan. To prevent failure, I believe that we have to follow three principles: first, that, as the Prime Minister said, military success alone is not enough; secondly, that greater political progress is needed, based on a practical approach, rather than believing that we can impose a fully fledged western democracy in a deeply traditional society; and, thirdly, that the international effort needs to be much better co-ordinated.
Before I take each of those in turn, may I ask the Prime Minister about the reports in today’s newspapers? Press headlines say clearly that the Government plan to talk to the Taliban, but the Prime Minister said in his statement that “we will not” talk to “these people”. Does that not demonstrate once again the error of briefing the press in advance of making statements in this House? But is it not more serious than that? These appear to be completely conflicting messages, and they really could undermine our forces in what they are doing. In his reply, can the Prime Minister clear this up and tell us what he will do to investigate how this took place?
Let me take each of the three principles in turn. First, on the military, is it not the case that with the international security assistance force, Operation Enduring Freedom and the separate Afghan military commands, we simply have too many chains of command? All the evidence in defeating counter-insurgencies anywhere in the world is that there has to be a single chain of command. What progress has the Prime Minister made with the US and with NATO towards getting these rationalised?
Specifically on British forces, we have seen success in Sangin, at the Kajaki dam and now in Musa Qala, but is the Prime Minister satisfied that this time, there are sufficient Afghan forces to hold the ground that has been taken? On equipment and training, Lord Guthrie recently raised the example of a brigade being deployed to Afghanistan without having first been trained on medium machine guns. Is the Prime Minister satisfied that this will not happen again? As he knows, one cannot spend time in Helmand without hearing concerns about the lack of battlefield helicopters. He talked about that in his statement. Does he now regret the decision to cut the helicopter budget by £1.4 billion in 2004, and can he explain why the Government waited until this year before placing orders for new and converted helicopters?
The Prime Minister talked about burden sharing. Can he tell us precisely what progress is being made in ensuring that we get a greater contribution from our NATO allies?
On forces welfare, the Prime Minister has taken up our suggestion of additional pay in theatre. Will he now take up another suggestion—simple—that soldiers’ leave should begin when they step off the aircraft on UK soil, not when they leave Afghanistan?
On pay, is it not now clear that the new Ministry of Defence computerised pay system is not working properly? We had problems with the Royal Air Force earlier, and now we have some Territorial Army officers not being paid at all. Can the Prime Minister tell us today how many people are not being paid properly and what he is doing to put these failures right?
Next, political progress. The general problem is that the writ of the Karzai Government does not extend to the whole country. In many places, Helmand included, the Afghan police are seen as corrupt. What steps are we taking in terms of mentoring, leadership, training, pay and discipline structures, and after six years, why are we still not getting this right? The UN drugs and crime chief has said:
“The government’s benign tolerance of corruption is undermining the future”.
A new anti-corruption tsar, Izzatullah Wasifi, has been appointed. Will the Prime Minister comment on reports in the newspapers that Mr. Wasifi was once convicted in the United States of attempting to sell $2 million-worth of heroin?
Thirdly, on co-ordination, aid has been provided by the US, the UN, the EU and NATO as well as by dozens of smaller agencies. We have been arguing for more than a year that there should be a single high-profile figure to take charge of co-ordinating the international effort and providing real leadership in the way that Lord Ashdown did in Bosnia. The Prime Minister spoke about it, but can he actually tell us when he thinks it is going to happen?
February. Thank you, but why was it not in the Prime Minister’s statement? The whole point is to announce things to the House of Commons! I know that the Foreign Secretary’s speeches are normally corrected after they have gone out, but he might want to advise the Prime Minister rather more about how to get the content right in the first place.
On aid—[Interruption.] Calm down, dear; there are more questions to answer. On aid, can the Prime Minister—with the help of the Foreign Secretary, who is now fully engaged in this—tell us how much of the very substantial UK aid is being spent in Helmand and how much in the rest of the country? Should we not be focusing our aid efforts to a much greater extent where our soldiers are deployed and where so much is at stake?
This country is giving a tremendous amount to Afghanistan in money and in lives. Conservative Members believe that it is a worthwhile effort, but the country wants reassurance. With that in mind, can the Prime Minister give a commitment to full quarterly reports to Parliament on this issue? Ultimately, as the Prime Minister knows, our success or failure in Helmand depends on the ordinary Afghan and on whether he or she feels safer and better off since British forces arrived. Does the Prime Minister feel that we are in danger of disappointing the high hopes of security and reconstruction?
First, let me deal with where we agree. We agree on praising the bravery, courage and professionalism of the forces. On Monday, I met some of the men who had either been in Musa Qala or who were about to go there, so I know what a tremendous effort British forces have been part of—working with the Americans and with the Afghan forces themselves, while at the same time taking a leadership role with enormous skill, expertise and bravery. They have reason to celebrate a huge success this Christmas, which turns back the Taliban at the time when people are retreating to the hills for Christmas. That is a psychological blow against the Taliban as well as a military success. It means that over the next few months we can build on what we have achieved in Musa Qala so that people in that area have a stake in the future—a Taliban-free future for that province.
We also agree that work has to be done with the Afghan Government on fighting corruption and the drugs trade. We agree that there is a need for a co-ordinator, and we have been pressing for that for some years. At the same time, the changeover will take place in February, as had been announced previously by the Government to the House of Commons.
We further agree that it is important for our aid money to show results in Helmand where we are based. Of the £450 million going into aid over the next few years, a very substantial part will go to Helmand. It is also important to build up the government of Afghanistan, so we want to increase the authority of the national Government over the whole country. That is why some of our resources are going into building systems of government, including for economic development across the whole country.
Let me repeat what I said in my statement—that our aim is to isolate and eradicate the Taliban insurgency and to isolate the leadership. We are not negotiating with the leadership and we do not propose to do so. However, we want to support President Karzai in his efforts at reconciliation. If he is successful in bringing across members of the previous insurgency, who then declare that they will give up fighting, support democracy and be part of the system, that will show that the efforts to achieve reconciliation will have been important to the whole country’s future.
The right hon. Gentleman rightly stressed the importance that should be attached to the Afghan leadership and the Afghan people taking more ownership. I repeat that there will be 70,000 Afghan members of the armed forces by the end of next year; 20,000 more will be trained during the course of next year—and at a very high level because they are benefiting from the expertise of the British forces. Forces on the ground tell me that the Afghan army is well trained and well equipped for the tasks that it has to carry out.
On equipment, six Merlin helicopters have been ordered and will be available later, while eight Chinook helicopters are being upgraded for the work that can be done in Afghanistan. I have also announced that new blades are being fitted to Sea King helicopters for such work. As part of burden sharing, I have approached a number of European Governments, particularly in eastern Europe, who are not involved to the same extent as we are in the Afghanistan effort, and asked them to provide helicopters to support the NATO effort. I am confident that, in addition to the helicopters that we are adding to our fleet, we will get more support from those east European countries as the process of burden sharing takes root.
The right hon. Gentleman raised several other issues. On pay, we have a new computer system and I believe that the Defence Secretary’s efforts to ensure that it improves and gets the right payments to people are now bearing fruit. On the question of payment to the troops themselves, I think that it will have to be recorded that over the last year, we have tried to improve the position both through the troops’ pay settlement and through the allowances given for being at the front. We in Britain have a six-month rota, while America tends to be longer, which is one of the reasons why the arrangements that the right hon. Gentleman asked about are different. There is a £2,300 payment for being on the ground in theatre for several months.
We have also improved the allowances available for council tax, which has been reduced by £140, while at the same time extending facilities available for e-mailing, computers and telephoning—providing more minutes and more facilities for contacting relatives at home. Postal services have also been made free for the armed forces, which is entirely right. I am conscious that we need to do more on accommodation for the armed forces at home, which is why a substantial amount of the spending settlement has been allocated to accommodation.
On each of those areas where questions have rightly been asked about the support that we give our armed forces, we are systematically taking action to improve what treatment is available. That is in recognition of what I suspect the whole House will want to support—the courage, professionalism and dedication of the people who give up their time to serve our country and serve democracy for the future.
The death of Sergeant Johnson reminds us of how much is at stake here. I welcome the Prime Minister’s statement, particularly the positive feedback from the conflict at Musa Qala, but is it not the case that all rural guerrilla armies attach little importance to holding towns, and that, conversely, the military command of NATO has acknowledged that it finds it very difficult to hold territory that it has cleared? What has fundamentally changed the dynamic of this conflict to give the Prime Minister a more optimistic view of the future?
In respect of the UK contribution, the Prime Minister made some helpful, sensible and practical suggestions about the supply of helicopters, but has not the number of functioning Apache helicopters fallen from 60 per cent. to 50 per cent. over the last year? Is not one of the lessons the fact that we need to think more fundamentally about reorientating the defence budget towards immediate defence needs rather than those of the cold war? Will he have a fresh look at the very large £6 billion Typhoon commitment, which, if cancelled, would free up resources for immediate defence needs and troop welfare?
On the number of troops employed, is the judgment about numbers based on defence needs or is it simply reflecting the reality, acknowledged by the chiefs of staff, that British forces—including the 4,700 who were tied down at Basra airport providing cover for the continuing American presence in Iraq—are massively overstretched?
The Prime Minister is absolutely right to stress the importance of development assistance and we greatly welcome that, but is it not true that the annual budget of the Afghan Government on development is about £18 billion and that a large part of it is disappearing into waste and corruption? What is being done to introduce more effective safeguards?
The Prime Minister acknowledged the role of the poppy economy in the lives of peasant farmers in Afghanistan, so what is he doing to stop the indiscriminate destruction of poppy crops driving those farmers into the arms of the Taliban?
Finally, may I ask the Prime Minister about the precarious position of British public opinion? Is he aware that surveys in the past year suggest that a majority now favours withdrawal within a year and is increasingly concerned about the 86 deaths? There is a consensus among the parties in the House that we should continue to support the Afghan forces, but what is he going to do to persuade British public opinion that this activity is necessary and right?
I had hoped that there would be all-party agreement on what we are trying to achieve in Afghanistan. I am disappointed that the hon. Gentleman does not fully appreciate what I think is the central message of Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the front line against the Taliban and we must prevent the return of al-Qaeda to use the country as a base, and to do so we must strengthen the politics, society and economy of Afghanistan. I hope that that will be common ground.
Where we have had to make sacrifices and where we are in for the long term, of course we must persuade the British public continuously of the importance of what we are doing. The hon. Gentleman asks what has changed in Musa Qala. What has changed is that we now have competent Afghan forces, which are able to move in and take control of the area with the support of the Americans, the British and other NATO forces. I believe that over the next period of time we shall see an ever more competent Afghan army, given support by trainers from Britain and elsewhere. At the same time, as I reported, people who either had an indirect relationship with the Taliban or were previously fighters are coming over and deciding that their future lies within the democratic constitution of Afghanistan.
As far as the weaponry is concerned, I mentioned that Merlin, Chinook and Sea King helicopters would be moving into Afghanistan in greater numbers over the next period of time. We need fast jets as well, as the Secretary of State for Defence reminded me, but the hon. Gentleman should not pose one against the other. We are determined not only to provide the equipment that we can for our forces, but to persuade other countries to share the burden. If there is one lesson of the past year or two, it is that we can, if we work at it, persuade other countries to play a bigger role in making their contribution to Afghanistan.
The hon. Gentleman also raised the issue of heroin. It is true that half the heroin of the world comes out of Helmand province. It is also true that although we have made huge progress in other provinces, where poppy growing has ceased, we have not made the progress that we want to make in Helmand. Addressing that issue will mean a mixture of things. I hope that he would agree that it will mean eradication of the crops on the ground, rather than aerial bombing, as well as persuading people to take up different activities. This is not a short-term easy win for us, but something that we have to work at over the next period of time.
One of the ways we can do that is by strengthening what the hon. Gentleman rightly said is a weakness—the central Government of Afghanistan. Of course there has been corruption, and waste and failure, but it is important to remind ourselves that progress has been made. However, as I stressed to President Karzai when I met him, it is important that he should have Ministers in place who command confidence. It is also important that he should work with the development effort, which should be more co-ordinated, on behalf of the 38 nations involved in Afghanistan. If we can do both those things over the next year, I believe that we shall see greater progress.
May I congratulate the Prime Minister on the comprehensive framework that he has announced to the House and on building on the military success of our servicemen and women from throughout the UK, including marines based in Plymouth, who will be deployed again next year? I understand that a handful of women have joined the Afghan police service. Will my right hon. Friend encourage the Afghani Government to do more in that respect? Will he also encourage the Westminster Foundation for Democracy, the Inter-Parliamentary Union and the Department for International Development to put some money into a programme for Afghan parliamentarians, to help them to develop the capacity to hold the Afghan Government to account?
I am grateful for what my hon. Friend has said, particularly about her constituents who have performed brave service in Afghanistan, through the work of the Navy and the naval reserves. I also agree with her that women have an important part to play in the future of Afghanistan. When I said that Afghanistan had a higher proportion of women MPs than most western countries, I was talking about a country where 80 per cent. of women were not given the chance to read and where primary and secondary education were denied them for years. Enormous advances are being made. I also agree with my hon. Friend that we should support the development of a police force that comprises women as well as men, and I shall look at what she said about that.
There is another point to make. The advances that can be made in local government can be made also with support from local councils and people who are involved in local government in this country. I know that strenuous efforts are being made to link up experts on local government here with those people in Afghanistan who want to create better systems of local government there. In all those areas, local communities here as well as the Government have a role to play.
I welcome this statement and I echo the Prime Minister and my right hon. Friend the Member for Witney (Mr. Cameron) in congratulating and thanking our quite outstanding armed forces. The Prime Minister referred to greater burden sharing by our allies. Yes indeed—but how, precisely, does he intend to achieve that? Does he expect that the statement of requirements issued by NATO itself, currently thousands short, will be fulfilled, and if so, when?
I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman’s initial remarks, in which he praised the courage and dedication of our armed forces. I am also grateful for what he said about burden sharing, which must be—this is common cause among us all—an important part of the next stage. When it comes to vital equipment, I believe that it is possible to persuade some of our allies in NATO—and, indeed, some outside—to make a contribution where they have equipment that can be put on the ground. I am thinking particularly of countries that I have talked to in eastern Europe that have helicopters, which could be of great benefit as transport helicopters in Afghanistan.
The right hon. Gentleman is right that that raises bigger questions about burden sharing within NATO and about the procedures that will be adopted in the future. I know from talking to the Secretary-General of NATO that when it meets at Easter to discuss those issues, burden sharing will be on the agenda. That might be the right time to consider both financial arrangements and equipment arrangements that move NATO forward from where it has been, to a system where there is far greater burden sharing built into the basic things that NATO does.
May I say to the Prime Minister that although some of the country might have views about how quickly our troops should withdraw from Afghanistan, the whole country joins him in expressing admiration for the courage that they show? If a single message should be sent from the House and from this country, it is the second message, not the first. I should like to take him back to his statement about the link between the poppy trade and the warlords. Does he accept that no long-term success in Afghanistan will be ours and its people’s until that trade is broken? Might I probe him on—
Order. There should be one supplementary.
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. The common message coming from the House is one of support for the armed forces, particularly on the brilliance and success of the recapture of Musa Qala. He is also right—I have talked to him at some length previously about this—that there is no future for Afghanistan’s economy as long as people hang on to the idea that Afghanistan can still be the centre supplying most of the world’s narcotics. That is why the effort that we are making with the Afghan Government to try to eradicate narcotics on the ground, but at the same time building up systems of law and order and giving alternative livelihoods to the agricultural population, is very important. I know that my right hon. Friend has views on that and I shall be happy to meet him again to talk about it.
At Prime Minister’s Question Time and at the start of his statement, the Prime Minister absolutely correctly paid tribute to the fallen men and women of our armed services in Afghanistan. Will he turn those words into substance and honour the undertaking given by his predecessor, by allowing his Ministers to announce funding this afternoon, so that the families of those fallen can be legally represented at inquests?
This is a matter that we are looking at. I said in the House last week that the delays in inquests were unacceptable. We have put some more money in to make it possible for them to be speeded up, but we will also look at the other issues that the hon. Gentleman has raised.
May I welcome my right hon. Friend’s statement? As someone who has visited Afghanistan three times in the past four years, I have seen progress, particularly in Kabul, but there is still a hard job to do in the south. May I caution him on the eradication of the poppy crop, which should not be done without offering alternative livelihoods, as it could drive people into the arms of the Taliban?
That is precisely why the aid budget that we are announcing will focus on agricultural livelihoods, and on increasing people’s opportunities to obtain alternative work in the provinces that we are discussing. The business leaders whom we meet in Afghanistan are well aware that it needs a far more diversified economy. When we visit the local areas, it is clear that unless we provide alternative employment it will be possible to exploit local people’s need for work and prosperity through the narcotics trade. It is therefore essential for the aid budget and the development work that we are doing to offer alternative livelihoods.
In the new year, 16 Air Assault Brigade from Colchester garrison will be deployed to Afghanistan. Can the Prime Minister tell us how many of the 38 countries that he mentioned have fighting personnel in the front line in Helmand province, and exactly what he means by burden sharing?
I should be happy to write to the hon. Gentleman, including all the figures.
It is true that many countries have sent in members of their forces in a non-fighting role. It is also true that some countries are prepared to offer troops, but cannot afford to pay their way when they are in Afghanistan. That is what I mean by burden sharing. Could we have a more equitable arrangement, whereby countries that have troops are able to send them in while others that are not prepared to send their troops are prepared to finance them? Could we have equipment from countries that are not prepared to send their forces, for which other countries could pay if the countries that have sent it cannot afford to do so? That is what I mean by moving forward burden sharing in future.
The hon. Gentleman’s constituents who are going to Afghanistan should be assured that we will do all in our power to ensure both that they are fully equipped, and that they have the support of a stronger Afghan army.
The Prime Minister’s speech to our troops in Iraq the other day was deeply appreciated by military families in my constituency, and I believe that the statement he has made today will be equally and widely appreciated.
Is it not the case that if the Taliban had succeeded in their aim of retrieving power in Afghanistan and turning it once again into a logistical and training base for international terrorist operations, and if the terrorists who attacked London and Glasgow in the summer had had the benefit of a six-month course in bomb-making and detonation techniques in Afghanistan under the Taliban, the results of those attacks might have been tragically very different?
My hon. Friend is right. Afghanistan is not only the front line against the Taliban. If we were to allow al-Qaeda to base itself in Afghanistan again without fear of being invaded or taken over by British or other forces, we would store up huge problems for London, for Britain and for all the other countries where terrorism wishes to make headway.
The fact that al-Qaeda has been forced across the border of Afghanistan creates special problems for us in Pakistan. As I told President Karzai, it is important for Pakistan and Afghanistan to work together to deal with those border issues, and in future years it will be important for us to secure even greater co-operation with other countries that are involved so that we can deal with the issue of where al-Qaeda is basing its operations.
Nevertheless, my hon. Friend is absolutely right. I think that the whole country can be persuaded of the importance of this: leave Afghanistan to the Taliban and we have huge problems; allow al-Qaeda to gain a base in Afghanistan and we have huge problems. That is why we make a long-term commitment to the Afghan people.
Yesterday the American Defence Secretary expressed severe and justified public criticism of the inadequate contribution of some NATO allies. Does the Prime Minister agree that the risk we face is not only inadequate performance in Afghanistan as a consequence, but severe damage to the long-term future of NATO? Will he give serious consideration to urging his fellow Heads of Government in NATO to attend a early meeting of Heads of Government—not in a crisis atmosphere, but in a spirit of constructive and measured deliberation—with the aim of agreeing on a common strategy and a fair sharing of the burden that is possible for all member states?
The right hon. and learned Gentleman is absolutely right. He has some experience in matters involving NATO, and this is a NATO mission. It should be borne in mind that we will meet in Bucharest in April to discuss the issues that should be on the agenda and must be addressed.
While the right hon. and learned Gentleman is right to say that there has not been an equality of burden sharing—not only is Britain using its forces in Iraq, but it has a substantial role as the second presence in Afghanistan—it is also true that 38 countries are involved in the mission. The fact that so many countries are prepared to play a part represents an enormous success. The issue now is whether we can achieve the better burden sharing that will enable other countries to play a bigger part in future, particularly, I suspect, in the provision of equipment, if not of forces. Those are the issues that will have to be discussed in Bucharest at Easter.
The Prime Minister spoke of the importance of constructive engagement on the part of Afghanistan’s neighbours. When members of the Foreign Affairs Committee visited Iran last month, the Iranians told us that 3,000 of their policemen had been killed while trying to intercept the heroin being smuggled into their country, which has an estimated 2 million addicts. Last year, the Pakistani authorities expressed concern to our Committee about the fact that the Afghan side of the border was almost unpatrolled. Although Pakistan is losing tens of thousands of people in those areas, there is a big problem relating to movement backwards and forwards. What discussions has the Prime Minister had with the Afghan Government to try to increase their co-operation with their neighbours, who have legitimate concerns?
As Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, my hon. Friend takes a great interest in these matters, and is an expert on the issues that he raises.
We now need law enforcement officers to mentor the counter-narcotics police so that a far better job can be done in Afghanistan itself. I impressed on President Karzai that the failure to appoint a new counter-narcotics Minister to fill the current vacancy was sending the wrong signal to the rest of the world, and I hope that someone will be appointed who can control the effort effectively. The United Nations-administered Afghan counter-narcotics trust fund is also important, but some countries have yet to make the contributions that they pledged. We must work with the countries that my hon. Friend mentioned, otherwise the efforts in one country will be in vain. That is why co-operation with Pakistan in particular will be important in the future.
While I welcome the Prime Minister’s statement, which was more realistic than any statement about Afghanistan during the Blair years, will he keep it very much in mind that the basic stumbling block to all the admirable aims that he has announced is the fact that the one thing that unites all Afghans is their hatred of foreign troops in their country?
It is precisely because Afghans should be enabled to take more control over their own affairs that we are training the Afghan forces. We are talking about an army of 70,000 by next year, and a larger number of police. The biggest difficulties have involved preventing both corruption and inefficiency among the police. I think that, over time, the Afghan Government will recognise that point by building up their own security forces—particularly their army and police—and by working with the countries that are enabling them to do so, they can provide the best possible guarantee for the future of Afghanistan.
When I visited Helmand last July, I saw British troops giving out leaflets saying that we did not do eradication. I welcome what the Prime Minister said about putting together a plan involving stronger governance and targeting traffickers, but may I caution him that, as my hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr. Jones) said earlier, it is not the individual producer but the big guns that we need to target? May we see the top 20 and their lands, chattels and supporters being attacked, as opposed to the ordinary Afghan farmer?
That is one of the reasons for the need to build up the infrastructure of police, courts, justice—through judges—and law and order. Only by building up that infrastructure can we deal with the very people to whom my hon. Friend refers. However, I would not underestimate the importance of giving people alternative livelihoods so that they can break free from the control of drugs barons in the area. It is a combination of both approaches that will make the difference.
I thank the Prime Minister for providing a copy of his statement in advance. On behalf of the Scottish National party and Plaid Cymru, I echo the sentiments of others about our service personnel, and especially their families, in the run-up to Christmas.
Here in the House we have often heard reassurances and promises about combating the drugs trade, but the United Nations has confirmed this year that heroin production has risen to a record level. Apparently, it represents 92 per cent. of opium production in the world. Can the Prime Minister give us a firm assurance about his target for the reduction of narcotics? How much does it involve, and by when?
We have moved from a situation in which we had very few poppy-free, or heroin-free, provinces to a situation in which we have quite a number. Our aim must be to increase that number, but the issue in Helmand is a very big one, because it is responsible for half the production. That is where we must make progress.
I am not setting a target. What I will say is that while the combination of the measures that we outlined is necessary, what is also necessary is a central Government who are prepared to take the action. That is why I am impressing on President Karzai the importance of his taking a lead.
I welcome the Prime Minister’s statement, particularly the promise of more funding for building the capacity of the directorate of local governance. In other emerging democracies, it has been shown that where there are more women in local government, funding is more likely to be directed towards areas such as health and education. Given the low status of women in Afghanistan, particularly outside the main cities such as Kabul, will the Prime Minister do all he can to prioritise the funding towards confidence building and skills for women so that they have the confidence to put their names forward for election in local government?
In Helmand province there are already women who are playing their part in local government, but obviously the numbers and the ability to participate need to be strengthened. That is why the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government will be working with people in Afghanistan to enable us to give whatever expertise we can to help build some of the systems of local government for the future. I also announced our support for local community volunteers, so that they can take more control of policing of areas. So there will be a combination of measures, but my hon. Friend is right that women being more represented and at a higher level in all the different areas of Afghanistan will make a difference to the improvement of health and education, which is crucial for the welfare of the people.
Can the Prime Minister confirm that the biggest single source of income, accounting for up to half of GDP in Afghanistan, is the opium trade, and is not therefore the central dilemma we face how to win the hearts and minds of people while promising to eradicate half their income without offering any concrete alternatives other than the following two words in the statement—“legitimate agriculture”? Does not the failure to face up realistically to this dilemma leave a black hole in the Prime Minister’s strategy?
The right hon. Gentleman is right on his first point: an economy that is wholly dependent on the crop he mentions is an economy that will not work well in the future. However, he is wrong on his second point: I did, of course, mention alternatives in agriculture, but I also mentioned building the social and economic infrastructure of all the areas through the aid and development programme that we are practising. We find that there is in Afghanistan a desire for roads and infrastructure, and then for the building of schools and hospitals, of course, but also for the creation of small businesses. Many people are operating in Afghanistan—some people have come from Britain to do so—to create microcredit finance for small businesses.
I agree that it is necessary to have alternatives to agriculture, but I disagree with the right hon. Gentleman’s other point, as we are trying our best to do more to provide those alternatives; we are going beyond simply the offer that there is an alternative to agriculture by also making that possible through the initiatives that we have in place. I may also say that in Musa Qala we will move in very quickly with the offer of jobs, which is important, and the offer of new facilities, which will enable the local economy to start to flourish again.
On the question of encouraging a positive approach from Iran, my right hon. Friend will be aware that in February 2001 the late Member for Redcar, who then had the remit for drugs, visited Iran to come to an agreement on working together to disrupt the drugs trafficking trade. Does my right hon. Friend believe that that agreement could form the basis of encouraging a revival—perhaps we should put it that way—of a more positive approach from Iran?
The Iranians themselves have an interest in tackling this problem. I will look at what my hon. Friend says about the agreement that is still standing with Iran, but I think that it is also important to recognise that action within Afghanistan is urgently needed.
Early in the new year, the 1st Battalion the Royal Irish Regiment, supplemented by Territorial soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, will leave for a tour of duty in Afghanistan. The Prime Minister has heard from the Leader of the Opposition about problems with pay. Many of those Territorial Army soldiers transferred from the now-disbanded home service battalions, yet several months after their transfer they are not receiving the proper pay. Will the Prime Minister assure me that before those soldiers leave their families to serve this country with pride in Afghanistan, they will be paid properly?
When I was in Afghanistan, I met soldiers from Northern Ireland, and their contribution is both appreciated and immense. I will take on board what the right hon. Gentleman says about the operation of the computer system in delivering the proper amounts of pay. The Secretary of State for Defence says that that is moving forward, and he will write to the right hon. Gentleman in the next few days.
I thank the Prime Minister for his statement and the priority he is giving to Afghanistan issues. Does he agree that if the Afghans are to buy into the new state we must not only maintain security, but make progress in terms of economic development? Will he therefore press the United Nations to encourage the international community not only to be better co-ordinated, but to do more on security and economic development?
I want to praise the work of my hon. Friend in linking up with women in Afghanistan to encourage the emerging process of democracy in the country. She is right that we need the UN co-ordinator appointed for February, and we need that role to be better than the current one in co-ordinating the development efforts of all the different countries involved in Afghanistan and in building a strong relationship that is supportive to the Afghan Government. We also of course need the international effort she talks about to be expanded. We will, as a result of this statement, make all our efforts to do that.
I welcome the Prime Minister’s statement. When members of the International Development Committee were in Afghanistan at the end of October we visited not only Kabul but the rural area around it, and Helmand in the south and Balkh in the north. There was a recognition that there was a real commitment and a long-term strategy, which people in Afghanistan appreciate—and people in this country need to understand that. In particular, I welcome the Prime Minister’s commitment to additional development and reconstruction funding of £450 million, and I urge the Secretary of State for International Development to make a statement in the House at an appropriate time as to how it will be deployed, and to resist the call from the Leader of the Opposition to concentrate all those resources in Helmand as we must instead understand that we have to build up the capacity of the Afghan Government across the whole country.
Building up the capacity of the Afghan Government is in many ways the theme of the statement; we need Afghan ownership so that in security, economics and, of course, governance, Afghans can take the lead that is expected of countries when they are running their own affairs. As far as the budget is concerned, the right hon. Gentleman will, as a member of the International Development Committee, want to question in detail the Secretary of State for International Development on where the money will go. I can tell the right hon. Gentleman, however, that £350 million comes from the DFID aid budget, and the extra money is from the stabilisation fund that we created involving the Foreign Office, the Ministry of Defence and DFID. That money is spent on stabilising economies in difficulty and fractured societies. It will go as a priority to Afghanistan, because as he knows, that is where the need is now greatest. The £450 million that we talk about will be provided from a combination of development money and money from the stabilisation unit.
Last month, Members attended a briefing of senior Army officers led by General Sir Richard Dannatt, at which the Secretary of State for Defence was present. One of the problems they identified was the lack of equipment for training purposes immediately before deployment. Clearly, there is a danger when servicemen suddenly find themselves using new equipment in theatre. What are the Government doing to address that problem that the Army has identified, and can they give us any idea of the time scale in which it will be dealt with?
I have also talked to General Dannatt about these issues. We have funded new equipment on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq through what are called the UOR—the urgent operational requirements—so it is possible by the expenditure of large sums of money to get the most modern and up-to-date equipment quickly into the theatre or field. That is what we have been trying to do. I think I am right in saying that UORs have accounted for more than £2 billion in recent years, and we have set aside additional money over the next few years. If we are putting such equipment straight into theatre, that raises questions about the resources that we have available for equipment for training. We are now giving attention to that. The hon. Lady is right to raise this point, but it is a function of the success of getting the best equipment into theatre as quickly as possible.
The Prime Minister will be aware that 18 months ago we warned the Government that one combat unit being sent to Afghanistan was wholly inadequate. Now there are five major units in theatre and the pips are squeaking on Army manning. Will the Prime Minister please dedicate himself to restoring the Army to full manning and reversing the disastrous decision to disband three battalions?
The hon. Gentleman is right that the Army wishes to, and should be able to, increase its establishment. In terms of the armed forces as a whole, when we came to power they were, I think, 95 per cent. established—in other words, 95 per cent. of the necessary level of troops were provided. I think that figure is now 97 per cent. He is therefore right that we wish to recruit and retain more troops for the armed forces—that is what we intend to do and that is what we budget for. He makes the important point that this is about recruitment and then about retention. We shall do whatever we can, in consultation with the armed forces, to move that forward.
Order. I must move on, but I shall remember those whom I have not called for another time.
Opposition Day
[4th Allotted Day]
Military Covenant
I have to inform the House that I have selected the amendment tabled in the name of the Prime Minister.
I beg to move,
That this House notes the commitment, bravery and professionalism of the UK’s armed forces in operations around the world; further notes with concern the detrimental impact that sustained operations on two fronts are having on the armed forces and their capabilities, resulting in critical overstretch; believes that the Government should conduct a new strategic defence review and reinforce it with regular reviews of defence after each general election; urges the Government to do more to honour its duty of care, notably through accelerating the improvement and upgrading of service accommodation, providing greater provisions for mental health and medical care for service personnel, ring-fencing the defence budget for welfare and introducing a Coroners Bill to help address delays in inquests into military fatalities; and calls on the Government to renew the Military Covenant and set up a cross-party Military Covenant Committee to monitor the state of the armed forces and their welfare.
I very much welcome the opportunity to have this debate on the military covenant, and it is apt that it should directly follow the Prime Minister’s statement on action in Afghanistan. I start by paying tribute to all our service personnel. It was clear from the statement that Members on both sides of this House are united in recognising the professionalism, courage and bravery of the world-class fighting force that constitutes the British armed forces. We pay tribute to them and to the veterans who have served before them.
This has been an eventful week with the recapture of Musa Qala and the handover of Basra province to the Iraqi authorities, which took place, at last, a few days ago. We should acknowledge the success of the British troops, working alongside our allies, in both those theatres and we should recognise the honour and the duty that we owe them in the light of all that. The military covenant, and the commitment that it implies, extends not only to the troops but to their families. As Christmas approaches, we should remember that many families will be apart, and that people will be anxious and lonely on account of that. We should think of the families as well as the troops.
That is what the military covenant is all about—the implicit two-way trust and bond between the armed services and the nation. Members of the armed forces put their lives on the line and risk everything for the nation, and in return the nation has a duty to look after them, ensure that they are in a position to do the job that is asked of them and give them the assurance that when they are risking everything in operational theatre their families are being looked after adequately back at home. In that sense, it is clear that more remains to be done.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the interviews that were conducted by the Ministry of Defence at the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders’ barracks in Canterbury during the summer? The feedback contained a litany of criticism, including complaints about partners being deployed for too long and people’s pay being regularly messed up, and about a cut in the financial assistance for people travelling back to Scotland from their barracks in Kent. Are those not the kind of shortcomings that need to be sorted out?
I am sure that such shortcomings do need to be sorted out. The first of those—the too frequent deployment of the armed forces—is certainly worthy of our attention. It is well documented that our armed forces are very stretched. We have not, as yet, prised the word “overstretch” from the lips of any Minister, but senior officers and some of the defence chiefs are less reticent about acknowledging that we are asking an awful lot of the troops, and that that constitutes overstretch. For several years the defence planning assumptions have been exceeded and the harmony guidelines, which determine or indicate how frequently the armed forces should be out on active duty—six months in every three years—have been habitually broken. The hon. Gentleman refers to exactly that point when he tells us about the feedback from families. This is a serious issue and the situation cannot go on as it is. If it does, in the words of General Sir Richard Dannatt, there is a distinct danger that we could “break” the Army.
Does the hon. Gentleman accept that things are not as bad as some people would have us believe? A recent independent survey carried out for the Ministry of Defence said that 92 per cent. of Army officers and 79 per cent. of other ranks felt proud to be in the Army.
Of course they are proud.
The hon. Gentleman has heard the reaction of the House. Someone’s pride in being a member of the armed forces and their satisfaction with their lot across a wide front are two very different things. I am picking up on the latter point, which is the subject of this debate.
Does my hon. Friend agree that what most damages our forces, especially when they are on deployment, is the thought that their pay and allowances are not being put into their family’s accounts to meet their requirements —as happened to a constituent of mine—and the failure of the joint personnel administration scheme?
There has been a series of difficulties with the transfer to the joint personnel administration. Possibly my hon. Friend goes too far by badging the whole thing as a failure, but teething problems have arisen as it has been rolled out across the armed forces. Mess-ups in the pay arrangements are hard to bear on top of everything else, but I pay tribute to those who have done their utmost to put those right as quickly as they can. As time goes on, the purpose of the JPA will be fulfilled, and it will result in an improvement across the piece in the long run.
Part of the problem is that engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan have proved to be longer and more hostile than originally anticipated. The Prime Minister reiterated today that we are in Afghanistan for the long haul. There is a consensus across this House that that is the right approach and that, for the reasons articulated today, this is something that we must do. It will remain a serious burden on, and challenge for, our armed forces for many years to come. We must try to ensure that that long-term commitment does not mean that deployments abroad are longer and more frequent than they should be. That is one of the key senses in which the military covenant is being broken, and there is quite a lot of agreement in this House about that. Even the Government have acknowledged that there is some way to go and that more will need to be done. This autumn, the Royal British Legion launched its campaign to honour the covenant, and that has played a useful part in raising public awareness of these problems and concentrating the minds of the political community.
On that campaign, does my hon. Friend agree that probably every Member of this House regularly receives representations from constituents who have served in the armed forces and suffered as a consequence? In some cases, people have suffered loss of hearing from long exposure to blasts. Yet such people are often denied pensions or compensation—indeed, the MOD spends considerable sums denying any kind of connected responsibility. Does he agree that that matter ought to be part of the covenant and that it should be recognised that if one has a disability as a result of serving in the armed forces, one should get proper compensation?
In principle, that is supposed to happen. The whole point of the military pension is that, in principle, it recognises and acknowledges exactly those points and makes some ongoing remuneration to cover them. I come across those who are dissatisfied with the military pension award that they have received, as I am sure other hon. Members do. There sometimes seems to be a difference in attitude between how the British face up to things such as Gulf war syndrome and the approach taken by the Americans and other of our allies. They tend to be far more ready to acknowledge things and to step in to offer remedy.
Was it not the Labour Government who brought in the armed forces compensation scheme in the last Parliament, which for the first time introduced lump sum payments for those injured in battle? That was not opposed by the Liberal Democrats or by the British Legion, or even commented on at the time.
I am sure that nobody opposed that, as it was a worthwhile scheme. However, the hon. Gentleman and others will be aware of considerable dissatisfaction with the way it has worked in practice, in that those with compound injuries were compensated only for the most serious of them. The Government have announced some modifications to the scheme recently, and it remains to be seen how it will work in the future. It is a worthwhile scheme, but as yet it is not functioning satisfactorily.
Everyone welcomed that legislation, but the trouble was that it did not cover everybody. It contained exceptions that are causing great personal tragedies and loss, for individuals and families.
My hon. Friend is right, and further improvement is clearly needed. The Government have said that they will introduce a new Command Paper to address the welfare of the armed forces. That is welcome, although I do not know when it will be published. We look forward to seeing their proposals and we welcome the fact that it must be implicit in their intention to introduce such a paper that they are acknowledging that a wide range of problems needs to be put right. I hope that there will not be too much delay before we can see that Command Paper and start debating it.
I welcome the debate launched by the Royal British Legion on this issue. I do not believe that the covenant has been broken, but we do have to do much more to improve it and to remain focused on it. The hon. Gentleman has mentioned several issues, including families and so on. I had the privilege of serving as the veterans Minister. Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we could better address some of the issues if we had a separate veterans’ department within the Ministry of Defence to work with organisations such as the Royal British Legion to focus the whole time on issues affecting veterans and ex-servicemen and women?
That would certainly be a welcome further development. We welcomed the creation of the Veterans Agency, but taking that distinction into the heart of Government would further improve the work of attending to the particular needs of veterans.
The Government are doing what they can to try to improve the lot of those on the front line. For example, they recently improved the parcels regime, so that more parcels get through to the troops on the front line. I recently heard from some serving troops in Iraq, who said that they were very grateful for the extra parcels from home, but there were some slight complaints that the Prime Minister’s visit over the weekend meant that they were not able to use phones or the internet on Sunday night. That brings me to the thorny subject of the use of the internet and telephones.
The troops were promised free wi-fi by the end of this year, but that now seems to have been pushed back to April or May next year—[Interruption.] Well, that is what I have heard in the past day or two. At the moment, the troops have to pay £2.50 an hour in two-hour chunks for internet access. They get 30 minutes’ free phone time a week, for which they are no doubt very grateful, but beyond that they have to pay £10 per 90 minutes. There is a concern that some front-line troops may end up in debt by having to pay for things that might well be regarded as basic welfare provision.
Is not the issue clear? Our servicemen and women are placing their lives on the line. Those sorts of things should be free to all those who are in the teeth of the enemy.
I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman, and that is precisely my point. I welcome the advances that have been made, but it would be in the spirit of the obligation for those things to be entirely free.
As we look forward to the next few years, to the financial commitments that we are promised and to the procurement budget, which appears to be in a state of flux, it is clear that we need another strategic defence review. I have made that point before, and received support for it from others. The last SDR was the best part of a decade ago, and the world today is very different in terms of the stresses and strains and the demands placed on our armed forces. Another SDR is long overdue, and if we are to better fulfil the military covenant and consider where our future priorities lie, it is an absolute necessity. We should get on with a new SDR now and we should also make a commitment to doing so regularly. The Americans have one every four years, and we should do so at least once a Parliament. I hope that the Government will give some thought to that.
In the past 12 months—and especially in the last few days—we have seen a great deal of coverage of service housing. In December last year, the former Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Mike Jackson, described forces accommodation as “frankly shaming”, and there has certainly been an unfortunate catalogue of errors. Lieutenant-General Sir Freddie Viggers, the Adjutant-General, recently conceded that the Army has to fight for receipts from asset sales to be reinvested in the housing programme, but our armed forces should not have to lobby the Government for quality accommodation for themselves and their families. The Government should be on the front foot and provide it anyway.
Does my hon. Friend accept that before 1996, when the Ministry of Defence sold off any surplus housing or land, all the proceeds went into upgrading housing stock, but that following the privatisation by the Conservative Government, Annington Homes now reaps the benefit of those sales?
It certainly reaps most of the benefit, but the Annington deal was in 1996 and the present Government came to power in 1997. It is easy to blame the whole problem on the Annington deal, and it certainly was a rotten deal for the taxpayer, but since 1997 the Treasury has had huge capital receipts from the disposal of military assets and estates. If even a modest proportion of those receipts had been reinvested in the housing stock, it would not be in the sorry state it is today.
Does the hon. Gentleman not realise that one of the problems with the Annington Homes deal was that it tied the Ministry of Defence into a very bad deal that was entered into by the previous Conservative Government? If he is really concerned about it, has he thought about taking the matter up with his friend in the other place, Lord Owen, who is a consultant to Terra Firma, a company that has an interest in Annington Homes?
I am intrigued by the hon. Gentleman’s description of Lord Owen as a friend, because I do not think that he is any friend of ours. However, I look forward to hearing what he has to say on this matter.
The accommodation is in a bad way. Almost half the single living accommodation remains of the lowest standard—graded fourth out of 4—and only 18 per cent. is of the highest standard. The MOD itself estimates that even if current investment continues, 30 per cent. of the accommodation will remain at grades 3 or 4 after 2013. The Government do not have a sufficient sense of urgency. They are beginning to acknowledge the problem and are introducing programmes to try to address it, and I commend them for that. However, I do not think that adequate progress will be made or that the improvements that everybody wants and expects will be brought about on anything like a realistic or reasonable time scale.
May I point out that that is not the case across the UK? In Midlothian, £60 million has been invested in the past few years and we have satellite television and state-of-the-art houses for the Highland Regiment. The Government propose to amend the legislation to give service personnel equal footing on the housing list when they leave the forces. There could be cross-party agreement—I encourage those on the Front Benches to do more on this—on the idea that ex-servicemen returning from duties should be given not just an equal footing but priority by all local authorities.
I would imagine that we all agree that that is desirable. If it were not for the desperate housing shortage, I imagine that something more akin to that would happen.
Let me stick with the subject of housing. In its 2007 report, the Armed Forces Pay Review Body noted on the subject of the improvement programme for single living:
“The initial SLAM programme launched in 2001 was scheduled to deliver 26,000 bedspaces at a cost of £750 million. Latest estimates show allocated funding of just £463 million to deliver 12,000 bedspaces.”
We have been falling behind on even the targets and programmes that the Ministry has established. Since 1997, the MOD has brought £2.2 billion into the Treasury through asset sales. In the year that the modernisation plan began, twice as much money went into the Treasury coffers from asset sales as went into improving soldiers’ accommodation.
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I shall give way to the right hon. Gentleman one last time, once I have made the point that it seems to me the Government have not even used the resources at their disposal in the way the House would want.
The hon. Gentleman makes a very important point. I agree with a lot of what he says about the inadequacy of single living accommodation and family accommodation. However, the MOD has put a lot of effort and finance into improving it. It may surprise the hon. Gentleman to know that when I was a Minister in the MOD responsible for those matters the former service chiefs and others whom we now pray in aid certainly never supported me when I said we should use the sale of assets to invest in accommodation for our servicemen. They may say that on television and radio now, but they never did a damn thing when they were in a position to do something about it.
I take the right hon. Gentleman’s point. It is well made, and will be heard by some who serve in the armed forces. The Adjutant-General, Sir Freddie Viggers, has been willing to put his head above the parapet while he has been in post and say that too much accommodation is of a poor standard, too old or not modern enough in how it is fitted for families. We have a long way to go to bring about the improvement that we would want in the 41,000 units left in the estate.
It is worrying that an average of 20 per cent. of married quarters—this was covered on the radio this morning—are empty at any given time. It costs the Ministry money to pay the lease for properties that are not filled. I accept that when large numbers of people are moved around, as happens with the armed forces, a percentage of the properties will always be empty. That would probably be a higher percentage than would be experienced by a commercial landlord. Nevertheless, it seems an awful lot when we consider that the MOD is paying to rent family accommodation in the private sector at the same time.
The Ministry has told us that it would cost £750 million to bring all the family accommodation up to grade 1. It has also acknowledged that a minimum of £50 million will need to be spent each year to make the necessary improvements. The figures for 2006-07 show that the MOD did not spend anything like the £50 million that has been acknowledged to be necessary. The process, if it continues at the speed at which the work is being done and the money is being spent, rather than the speed that is being talked about, will take almost 50 years unless the MOD can improve radically on its performance in 2006-07. There is a long way to go.
The contract to deal with repairs and complaints was given to the contractor, MODern Housing Solutions—MHS. In the year from March 2006 to March 2007, MHS received almost 9,000 complaints. The call centre received some 200,000 repair call-out calls in that year and dropped almost 9 per cent. while people were hanging on at the other end. It is no wonder that the families of our armed forces are getting somewhat exasperated wondering when essential repairs will be conducted, particularly when they involve ageing boilers in need of repair in the depths of winter. The situation was summed up well by General Sir Michael Rose when he said recently that
“the system for the repair and maintenance of quarters has been repeatedly altered—something that has resulted in a much worse service for the soldiers… sub-contracting to commercial companies who have little understanding of the predicament of soldiers or their families has resulted in a bureaucratic nightmare which serves neither the soldiers nor the taxpayer.”
It is perfectly clear that there is a long way to go.
My other major point concerns medical care. I recognise and acknowledge the vital role of the military ward at Selly Oak hospital and the extraordinary quality of the medical expertise available there. It is clear that that is now a world-class service and, combined with some good medical care in the operational theatres, it means that people are now surviving who previously would not have done so. That said, they are often seriously incapacitated following the initial acute interventions.
It is the quality of the care afterwards that is so often criticised and that many believe to be lacking. [Interruption.] It is criticised by families and, occasionally, by the victims themselves. I have spoken to some of them individually. They are very appreciative of the high quality of medical care available at Selly Oak. It is clear that their aftercare, when they can be pushed back into different parts of the UK, does not match the high standard that they have experienced at Selly Oak. I am surprised that Ministers are pulling a slight face at that, because many people have commented on it and would recognise it as being the case.
Some hon. Members are being critical of what my hon. Friend has to say, but they might be interested in the comments made by the former commander of the Parachute Regiment in Afghanistan. In a letter to the MOD, he said that his resignation was in part due to the shoddy treatment that injured soldiers under his command had received when returning to the UK. In a letter to defence chiefs, he was reported to have criticised the level of pay, the lack of training and equipment, the appalling housing and, most of all, the treatment of injured soldiers. Labour Members ought to be cautious about what they say when they ask for proof, given that a lieutenant-colonel has resigned from the Army because of the treatment of his troops.
My hon. Friend makes a good point. It is clear that those criticisms have been made, and on a wide front.
In July, the Secretary of State for Defence said in response to the hon. Member for South Ribble (Mr. Borrow):
“My hon. Friend is right in identifying the challenge that we would face if we had to bring in all those in the services receiving in-patient treatment, as they would barely fill two hospital wards on any typical day. In those circumstances, it is impossible to imagine how the re-establishment of a military hospital, for example, could provide the excellence of clinical care that those people would receive in NHS hospitals.”—[Official Report, 16 July 2007; Vol. 463, c. 5-6.]
I take his point.
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I have given way to the hon. Gentleman twice already. We look forward to hearing what he has to say later.
We take the Secretary of State’s point about medical care, but I want to draw a comparison with the US, where there are some 180 military hospitals. If we were to translate that pro rata to the size of our armed forces, the UK would have around 33 military hospitals. I am not aware that anyone in this House, from any part of the political spectrum, has suggested that we should bring back a widespread network of military hospitals. I am not sure that I have heard any recent argument that we should go as far as having even one, but the Government have stated that they intend to explore whether there should be a larger network of military-only wards around the country. However, I would not expect each such ward to achieve anything like the degree of specialist expertise available at Selly Oak.
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
In a moment.
The Government have stated that they will consider such a network, so they should tell us what progress has been made. The quality of aftercare, beyond the initial intervention, would be improved if there were military wards in more parts of the country, and especially where there are large numbers of military personnel in the geographical locality. The Government should either go ahead and introduce such a system, or put us out of our misery and acknowledge that they are not going to do so.
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way? Has he visited the Stonehouse ward at the Ministry of Defence hospital unit at Derriford, the nearest military-managed ward to his constituency? Two thirds of the nurses there are from a military background, and the unit has a definite military ethos.
I am very familiar with that ward, and I greatly welcome what it does, but I want to know whether the Government intend to follow up on what they have hinted at in the past and establish a network of such wards. Indeed, I think that the Conservative amendment says as much.