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Ceremony Of Introduction

Volume 589: debated on Thursday 30 April 1998

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My Lords, we have had a long debate and I beg formally to move the second Motion standing in my name on the Order Paper.

Moved, That this House agrees with the recommendations of the Select Committee on the Ceremony of Introduction (HL Paper 78) and resolves that they should be implemented forthwith, and that the ceremony of introduction for Lords Spiritual should be altered in line with those recommendations.—(Lord Richard.)

moved, as an amendment to the second Motion of the Lord Privy Seal, to leave out from ("House") to end and insert ("declines to approve the recommendations of the Select Committee on the Ceremony of Introduction (HL Paper 78) until this House has had the opportunity to consider Her Majesty's Government's further proposals for Lords reform.").

6.49 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 98; Not-Contents, 150.

Division No. 1


Aldington, L.Glenarthur, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.Gormanston, V.
Annaly, L.Greenway, L.
Ashbourne, L.Halsbury, E.
Attlee, E.Hambro, L.
Blaker, L.Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Blatch, B.Hooper, B.
Boardman, L.Howe, E.
Bowness, L.Iddesleigh, E.
Brabazon of Tara, L.Kingsland, L.
Bridgeman, V.Knight of Collingtree, B.
Brougham and Vaux, L.Lauderdale, E.
Bumham, L.Lawrence, L.
Butterworth, L.Leigh, L.
Byford, B.Long, V.
Campbell of Alloway, L.Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Carnock,L.Mackay of Drumadoon, L
Chalfont, L.Macleod of Borve, B.
Chelmsford, V.Mancroft, L.
Chesham, L. [Teller.]Marlesford, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Coleraine, L.Mersey, V.
Colwyn, L.Miller of Hendon, B.
Courtown, E.Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Cranborne, V.Monk Bretton, L.
Cuckney, L.Monro of Langholm, L.
Davidson, V.Monson, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Denham, L.Mottistone, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Donegall, M.Munster, E.
Eccles of Moulton, B.Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Ellenborough, L.Napier and Ettrick, L.
Elles, B.Newton of Braintree, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.Northesk, E.
Gainsborough, E.O'Cathain, B.

Onslow, E.Seccombe, B.
Onslow of Woking, L.Skelmersdale, L.
Oxfuird, V.Stockton, E.
Park of Monmouth, B.Strange, B.
Rankeillour, L.Strathclyde, L.
Rawlings, B.Swansea, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Reay, L.Teviot, L.
Rees, L.Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.Trefgarne, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.Vivian, L.
Rotherwick, L.Waddington, L.
Saltoun of Abemethy, Ly. [Teller.]Wise, L.
Young, B.


Acton, L.Hattersley, L.
Addington, L.Hayman, B.
Annan, L.Henderson of Brompton, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Ashley of Stoke, L.Hoffmann, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.Hollis of Heigham, B.
Barnett, L.Hooson, L.
Berkeley, L. [Teller.]Howie of Troon, L.
Berners, B.Hoyle, L.
Blackstone, B.Hughes of Woodside, L.
Bledisloe, V.Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Borne, L.Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Brightman, L.Hylton-Foster, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.Irvine of Lairg, L. [Lord Chancellor.]
Burlison, L.
Carlisle, E.Jay of Paddington, B.
Camegy of Lour, B.Jeger, B.
Carrick, E.Jenkins of Putney, L.
Carter, L.Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Castle of Blackburn, B.Kennet, L.
Chandos, V.Kilmarnock, L
Clancarty, E.Kirkhill, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.Lockwood, B.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.Lovell-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.Lyell, L.
Colville of Culross, V.Mclntosh of Haringey, L.
Curric of Marylebone, L.Mackie of Benshie, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.McNair, L.
Dartmouth, E.Maddock, B.
Davies of Coity, L.Mallalieu, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.Marsh, L.
Dholakia, L.Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Dixon, L.Merlyn-Rees, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.Milner of Leeds, L.
Donoughuc, L.Mishcon, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.Monkswell, L.
Dubs, L.Montague of Oxford, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.Mountgarret, V.
Elton, L.Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Erroll, E.Nathan, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.Nicol, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.Norfolk, D.
Flather, B.Norton, L.
Freyberg, L.Norwich, Bp.
Gallacher, L.Pitkeathley, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.Plant of Highfied, L.
Gilbert, L.Prys-Davies, L.
Goodhart, L.Puttnam, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.Rathcavan, L.
Grenfell, L.Rea, L.
Hacking, L.Redesdale, L.
Hanworth, V.Rendell of Babergh, B.
Hardie, L.Renton, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.Renwick of Clifton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.Richard, L. [Lord Privy Seal.]
Harris of Greenwich, L.Rochester, L.
Haskel, L.Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.

Rogers of Riverside, L.Symons of Vernham Dean, B
Runcie, L.Tenby, V.
Russell, E.Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.Thurlow, L.
St.John of Bletso, L.Thurso, V.
St. John of Fawsley, L.Tope, L.[Teller.]
Serota, B.Turner of Camden, B.
Shannon, E.Walker of Doncaster, L.
Shepherd, L.Walton of Detchant, L.
Simon, V.Warnock,B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.Weatherill, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.Whitty, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.Wilberforce, L.
Strabolgi, L.Williams of Elvel, L.
Swinfen, L.Young of Old Scone, B.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

7 p.m.

moved, as an amendment to the second Motion of the Lord Privy Seal, after ("78)") to insert (", with the exception of the recommendation to exclude Garter King of Arms from the ceremony").

On Question, amendment agreed to.

had given notice of his intention to move as an amendment to the second Motion of the Lord Privy Seal, to leave out ("forthwith") and insert ("from the beginning of the next Session of Parliament").

The noble Lord said: My Lords, in the light of the result of the earlier Division, I do not intend to move my amendment.

[ Amendment not moved.]

On Question, Motion, as amended, agreed to.