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Motion B

Volume 670: debated on Thursday 10 March 2005

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rose to move, That this House do not insist on its Amendments Nos, 27, 31 and 32 in respect of which the Commons have insisted on their disagreement, and do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 27C and 27D in lieu thereof.

The noble and learned Lord said: My Lords, I shall treat this as speaking to all four Motions. We have spoken to them in detail. This Motion deals with the review clause. The positions have not changed. All of the remarks that I made at the beginning apply. Therefore, I beg to move Motion B, which deals with Lords Amendments Nos. 27, 31 and 32.

Moved, That this House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 27, 31 and 32 in respect of which the Commons have insisted on their disagreement, and do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 27C and 27D in lieu thereof.— (Lord Falconer of Thoroton.)

rose to move, as an amendment to Motion B, leave out from "House" to end and insert "do insist on Lords Amendments 27, 31 and 32 and do disagree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 27C and 27D in lieu thereof".

The noble Lord said: My Lords, I beg to move Amendment B1 as an amendment to Motion B. I shall be uncompromisingly telegraphic in my remarks. I wish to speak to Motions B and C at the same time. Your Lordships might be forgiven for believing that your Lordships have just voted on the sunset clause. In fact, your Lordships have voted on the judicial process clause.

We now come to the remaining two clauses. The first concerns the role of the Privy Counsellors and the second concerns the sunset clause. As I have had the opportunity to say earlier in the day, the two clauses are inextricably linked. The one ineluctably follows from the other.

Moved, as an amendment to Motion B, leave out from "House" to end and insert "do insist on Lords Amendments Nos. 27, 31 and 32 and do disagree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 27C and 27D in lieu thereof".—(Lord Kingsland.)

11.2 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (B1) shall he agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 178; Not-Contents, 110.

Division No. 7


Ackner, L.Crickhowell, L.
Addington, L.Cumberlege, B.
Ahmed, L.Denham, L.
Alliance, L.Dholakia, L.
Ampthill, L.Dixon-Smith, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Arran, E.Dykes, L.
Ashcroft, L. Astor, V.Eccles of Moulton, B.
Astor of Hever, L.Eden of Winton, L.
Avebury, L.Elles, B.
Baker of Dorking, L.Elton, L.
Barker. B.Falkland, V.
Bell, L.Falkner of Margravine, B.
Blackwell, L.Fearn, L.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.Ferrers, E.
Bowness, L.Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Bradshaw, L.Fookes, B.
Bridgeman, V.Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Brittan of Spennithorne, L.Fowler, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.Freeman, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.Garden, L.
Buscombe, B.Gardner of Parkes, B.
Byford, B.Garel-Jones, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.Geddes, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.Glenarthur, L.
Clement-Jones, L.Glentoran, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller]Goodhart, L.[Teller]
Craigavon, V.Goschen, V.

Greaves, L.Northover, B.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.Norton of Louth, L.
Hamwee, B.O'Cathain, B.
Hanham, B.Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
Hanningfield, L.Onslow, E.
Harris of Richmond, B.Park of Monmouth, B.
Hayhoe, L.Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Henley, L.Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Higgins, L.Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.Rawlings, B.
Hogg, B.Razzall, L.
Home, E.Redesdale, L.
Hooper, B.Rennard, L.
Howard of Rising, L.Renton, L.
Howe, E.Roberts of Conwy, L.
Howe of Aberavon, L.Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
James of Holland Park, B.Rogan, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.Roper, L.
Kalms, L.Rotherwick, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.Russell-Johnston, L.
Kimball, L.Ryder of Wensum, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.Saatchi, L.
Kingsland, L.St John of Fawsley, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Laing of Dunphail, L.Scott of Needham Market, B.
Laird, L.Seccombe, B.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.Selborne, E.
Lang of Monkton, L.Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.Selsdon, L.
Liverpool, E.Sharp of Guildford, B.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.Shaw of Northshead, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.Shutt of Greetland, L.
Lucas, L.Smith of Clifton, L.
Ludford, B.Steel of Aikwood, L.
Luke, L.Sterling of Plaistow, L.
Lyell, L.Stewartby, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.Strathclyde, L.
McNally, L.Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Maddock, B.Taverne, L.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.Thatcher, B.
Mancroft, L.Thomas of Gresford, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Marlesford, L.Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Michie of Gallanach, B.Tope, L.
Miller of Chilthome Domer, B.Tordoff, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.Trumpington, B.
Monro of Langholm, L.Ullswater, V.
Monson, L.Vallance of Tummel, L.
Montrose, D.Waddington, L.
Moore of Lower Marsh, L.Wakeham, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.Waldegrave of North Hill, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Neuberger, B.Walmsley, B.
Newby, L.Watson of Richmond, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Northbrook, L.Wilcox, B.
Northesk, E.Williams of Crosby, B.


Alli, L.Carter of Coles, L.
Andrews, B.Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Bach, L.Crawley, B.
Bassam of Brighton, L.Davies of Oldham, L.[Teller]
Bernstein of Craigweil, L.Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Billingham, B.Desai, L.
Bragg, L.Donoughue, L.
Brett, L.Drayson, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.Eatwell, L.
Brookman, L.Elder, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.Evans of Parkside, L.
Carter, L.Evans of Temple Guiting, L.

Falconer of Thoroton, L. (Lord Chancellor)McIntosh of Hudhall, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.Mackenzie of Luton, L.
Filkin, L.Massey of Darwen, B.
Gale, B.Maxton, L.
Gavron, L.Mitchell, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Giddens. L.Morgan of Huyton, B.
Gilbert, L.Morris of Aberavon, L.
Golding, B.Pendry, L.
Goldsmith, L.Plant of Highfield, L.
Goudie, B.Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Gould of Brookwood, L.Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.Rendell of Babergh, B.
Griffiths of Burry Port, L.Richard, L.
Grocott, L. [Teller]Rooker, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.Rosser, L.
Harrison, L.Rowlands, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Haskel, L.Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Haworth, L.Sawyer, L.
Hayman, B.Scotland of Asthal, B.
Henig, B.Sewel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.Simon, V,
Hogg of Cumbemauld. L.Snape, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.Stone of Blackheath, L.
Howells of St.Davids, B.Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Hoyle, L.Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Hughes of Woodside. L.Thornton, B.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.Tomlinson, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.Triesman, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.Truscott, L.
Jay of Paddington. B.Tunnicliffe, L.
Jones, L.Turnberg, L.
Layard, L.Wall of New Barnet, B.
Leitch, L.Warner, L.
Lipsey, L.Whitaker, B.
Lockwood, B.Whitty, L.
McDonagh, B.Williams of Elvel, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.Winston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.Young of Norwood Green, L.

Resolved in the affirmative, and amendment agreed to accordingly.

Motion, as amended, agreed to.

11.12 p.m.