Dominion Parliaments (Speeches, Time Limit)
1.
asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether he will ascertain and inform the House what arrangements exist in Dominion Parliaments for limiting the length of speeches?
I shall be glad to make inquiries and will communicate the results in due course to my hon. Friend.
Will the right hon. Gentleman consider circulating the information and making it in some way available to Members?
I will take care that it is made available.
Will my right hon. Friend also make inquiries as to whether there are any arrangements by which speeches are made more audible in the Press galleries?
I have no doubt that I can obtain information upon that point also.
Rhodesias
2.
asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether, recently, he has had conversations with the Prime Minister of Southern Rhodesia on the subject of the relations of the Rhodesias; whether any political or constitutional changes in respect to Southern Rhodesia are being discussed; and whether His Majesty's Government have yet formulated a policy in respect to Southern Rhodesia, so far as it is concerned in the report of the Royal Commission?
The Secretary of State for the Colonies and I have had conversations with the Prime Minister of Southern Rhodesia on the subject of the recommendations of the report of the Rhodesia-Nyasaland Royal Commission concerning the relations of Northern and Southern Rhodesia. These discussions are still in progress, and His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom are, therefore, not yet in a position to make a statement as to their outcome.
May I take it that the Government at the present moment are not committed to the proposal for amalgamation between the Northern and the Southern Rhodesias, and will there be consultation with the respective political parties in this House before a final line is taken on the matter?
With regard to the last part of the question, I gave an assurance to that effect some time ago to the hon. Member; and with regard to the last part of the question, no decision has been reached. The discussion, as I said, is still in progress.
Can the right hon. Gentleman assure the House that the interests of the natives will receive primary consideration?
I think it is better not to add to or embroider statements that have been made. The interests of the natives will be kept prominently in the very front of our considerations.
Newfoundland
3.
asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether there has been any reduction in recent months in unemployment, underemployment, and general distress in Newfoundland; whether any progress in the rehabilitation of the Dominion is being achieved; and when it is proposed that some steps should be taken to democratise institutions again?
The number of persons in Newfoundland in receipt of public relief in June was approximately 66,800, representing a reduction of about 14,000 on the figures for May. The total for July is expected to be in the neighbourhood of 62,000, or some 5,000 less than the figure for June. A further substantial decrease is likely to take place in August when operations in the forests and on the land generally are expected to give increased employment. As regards the second part of the question, the Commission are making progress with their long-term reconstruction programme, of which an instalment is undertaken each year in addition to expenditure for current administrative purposes. Approval has recently been given, as the House is aware, to a substantial extension of the reconstruction programme, and a sum of nearly $3,000,000 (or approximately double the provision made last year) has been allocated for this purpose in the Commission's Budget Estimates for 1939– 40. As regards the third part of the question, I have nothing to add to the replies which I gave to the hon. Member on 14th February and 28th March.
:Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the improvements in employment are purely temporary or whether they are likely to be of a permanent nature; and whether, during his forthcoming visit to Newfoundland, he will take the opportunity of getting into touch with all sections of opinion in the Dominion, with a view to ascertaining their views about the restoration of a more democratic form of government?
I will, of course, consider that suggestion. Most certainly I hope to get into touch with all sections of the community and give the fullest possible opportunity for the expression of all views.
Have facilities been provided for members of the community in Newfoundland to join His Majesty's Forces, particularly the Royal Navy, at the present time?
As I have said on previous occasions, all facilities exist, except so far as they are limited by the distance of Newfoundland from this country.
Joining the armed Forces could scarcely be regarded as a permanent industry for the development of Newfoundland.
South Africa (High Commission Territories)
4.
asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether consideration has been given to the conditions prepared by the South African Government which would govern native policy and native affairs in the High Commissioner's Territories in the event of any transfer being made; whether His Majesty's Government have any observations on these conditions; and when the South African statement will be published?
As I informed the hon. Member on 4th July, I have received from the Union Government a draft of the memorandum prepared by them. I am not yet able to say when the memo- randum will be ready for publication, and in the meantime I am not in a position to discuss it.
Is it not of the utmost importance that we should get this statement published at the earliest possible moment; and, further, may I take it that no lead will be given to the natives in these Territories with regard to their attitude towards this memorandum when it is circulated among them?
The hon. Gentleman will remember that this memorandum is being prepared by His Majesty's Government in the Union of South Africa, and until the document is printed I cannot say anything as to publication or discuss what may be contained in it.
Canada (Emergency Settlement)
5.
asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether His Majesty's Government have considered the desirability, and the possibility, in the event of hostilities involving this country, of the temporary settlement of suitable infirm people, mothers and children in the Dominion of Canada?
I fear that the difficulties in the way of any such scheme would be insuperable.
Does not the right hon. Gentleman agree that Canada would offer a greater degree of safety to certain suitable people than the East Coast of this country; and, in view of the large numbers of people enumerated in this question, will he at least make inquiries in the Dominion of Canada to see what can be done?
Of course, Canada is much safer than the East coast of the United Kingdom. I understand that the proposal has been receiving consideration in Canada?
If war breaks out, how are they to get there?
Trade And Commerce
China
6.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, with a view to assisting China, His Majesty's Government propose to give any guarantee for the purchase of United Kingdom goods by the Chinese Government on the lines of agreements made between His Majesty's Government and other foreign Governments?
As stated by my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary on 6th March, and by my right hon. Friend the Secretary to the Department of Overseas Trade on 14th July in the Debate on the Overseas Trade Guarantees Bill, a proposal to give guarantees for the benefit of British manufacturers in respect of exports to China has been under negotiation for some time. Certain technical and legal questions are still under consideration.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say when he expects to be able to make a statement on this matter?
I cannot say when. There are these technical and legal questions, the settlement of some of which depends on the answers received from China.
Is it not the fact that the question is of great importance to the Chinese Government because of the very limited purchases they have been able to make during the last 18 months; and is it not of great importance that this matter should be expedited?
As I have said, the settlement of some of the questions at least depends on the answers received from them.
13.
asked the President of the Board of Trade the value of the munitions, non-ferrous metals, rubber, and oil imported by China in the last two years, and the sources of supply?
As the answer involves a tabular statement, I will, with my hon. and gallant Friend's permission, circulate it in the Official Report.
Is it not a fact that the bulk of these imports come from the axis Powers?
My hon. and gallant Friend will see a long list of figures. He can make his own deductions.
Following is the statement:
Table showing the value of non-ferrous metals, rubber and mineral oils imported into China in the years 1937 and 1938, distinguishing the principal sources of supply, so far as specified in the Official Chinese Trade Returns. | |||||||||
Commodity and Country. | 1937 | 1938. | |||||||
Non-ferrous Metals: | Thousand Gold Units. | Thousand Gold Units. | |||||||
Aluminium: Ingots, slabs, grains, sheets and plates— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 1,120 | 1,010 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Canada | … | … | … | … | … | … | 380 | 417 | |
Germany | … | … | … | … | … | … | 281 | 110 | |
Switzerland | … | … | … | … | … | 106 | 386 | ||
Norway | … | … | … | … | … | … | 258 | 79 | |
Brass and Yellow metal: Ingots, bars, rods, sheets, plates, tubes and scrap— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 1,278 | 466 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Germany | … | … | … | … | … | … | 830 | 371 | |
Japan | … | … | … | … | … | … | 330 | 19 | |
Copper: Ingots, slabs, bars, rods, sheets, plates, tubes and; scrap— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 2,332 | 592 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
United States | … | … | … | … | … | 1,565 | 249 | ||
Germany | … | … | … | … | … | … | 350 | 241 | |
Japan | … | … | … | … | … | … | 337 | 80 | |
Lead: Pigs, bars, sheets, pipes and scrap— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 633 | 315 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Canada | … | … | … | … | … | … | 397 | 247 | |
Australia | … | … | … | … | … | … | 50 | 8 | |
Japan | … | … | … | … | … | … | 47 | 15 | |
United Kingdom | … | … | … | … | … | 31 | 16 | ||
Tin: Ingots and slabs— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 117 | 226 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
British Malaya | … | … | … | … | … | 98 | 117 | ||
Hong Kong | … | … | … | … | … | 7 | 32 | ||
United Kingdom | … | … | … | … | … | 10 | 24 | ||
Zinc: Powder, spelter, sheets and plates— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 1,585 | 372 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Belgium | … | … | … | … | … | … | 824 | 234 | |
Canada | … | … | … | … | … | … | 443 | 89 | |
Nickel: | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 101 | 25 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
United Kingdom | … | … | … | … | … | 43 | 21 | ||
Canada | … | … | … | … | … | … | 27 | — | |
Japan | … | … | … | … | … | … | 11 | (a) | |
India-rubber, crude, old or waste, and Gutta Percha, Crude— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 4,066 | 1,992 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Netherlands East Indies | … | … | … | … | … | 1,812 | 568 | ||
British Malaya | … | … | … | … | … | 1,357 | 737 | ||
United States | … | … | … | … | … | 204 | 310 | ||
French Indo-China | … | … | … | … | 422 | 123 | |||
Mineral Oils— | |||||||||
Total | … | … | … | … | … | … | … | 44,040 | 30,442 |
Of which from: | |||||||||
Netherlands East Indies | … | … | … | … | 25,458 | 12,475 | |||
United States | … | … | … | … | … | 16,592 | 16,123 | ||
(a) Less than 500 gold units. | |||||||||
Particulars of imports of munitions are not available, such imports being excluded from the Official Trade Returns. |
Japan
7.
asked the President of the Board of Trade the amount and particulars of exports from the United Kingdom to Japan for the 12 months ended the last convenient date?
As the answer involves a table of figures, I will, with the hon. Member's permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the figures are for regular intervals during the year?
The hon. Member will be able to see from the answer.
Will the statement which the right hon. Gentleman proposes to publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT contain all particulars of munitions exported from this country?
I have given particulars in response to previous questions.
Following is the answer:
Statement showing the total declared value of merchandise exported from the United Kingdom and consigned to Japan (including Formosa) during the 12 months ended March, 1939, distinguishing the principal groups of commodities so far as these particulars are readily available.
Description.
| Declared Value. |
£000 | |
Exports of the produce and manufactures of the United Kingdom— | |
Non-ferrous metalliferous ores and scrap | 78 |
Pottery, glass abrasives, etc. | 10 |
Iron and steel and manufactures thereof | 190 |
Non-ferrous metals and manufactures thereof | 90 |
Cutlery, hardware, implements and instruments | 33 |
Machinery | 704 |
Woollen and worsted yarns and Manufactures | 21 |
Chemicals, drugs, dyes and Colours | 93 |
Vehicles (including locomotives, ships and aircraft) | 19 |
Miscellaneous articles wholly or mainly manufactured | 69 |
Other descriptions | 233 |
Exports of imported merchandise | 379 |
Total | 1,919 |
9.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that guns on the three Japanese planes brought down in Chungking on 3rd May were Lewis auto-guns, serial number A52016, made by the Birmingham Small Arms Company; and whether he will state the number of licences granted for the supply of such guns to Japan since January, 1937?
I am not aware of the source of the report to which the hon. Member refers but I am informed that the number he quotes is that of a gun supplied to Japan in 1933. As regards the latter part of the question, it would be contrary to the public interest to state the number of export licences which have been granted for a particular country for weapons of a particular description. I can say, however, that no licence for Lewis guns or machine guns destined for Japan has been issued since September, 1937.
Flour
8.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in arriving at the standard or official price of flour which is announced from time to time, the price of blended flour is taken into this calculation; and whether he will make inquiries from some of the larger bakers in this country and find out at what price they have been buying flour;
I presume that my hon. Friend refers to the official price of flour in London. I understand that this price relates to flour made from a hypothetical blend of the wheats available at the time. My hon. Friend is aware that at his instance the Food Council are making certain inquiries into the relationship between the official price of flour and that paid by the bakers.
:Is my right hon. Friend aware that, by pressure, the Millers Mutual Price-Fixing Association compels bakers to buy flour at uneconomic prices, and as a result the bakers in turn have to pass on these uneconomic prices to the consumers of bread; and is he further aware that the Food Council is a voluntary body with no powers, and is it not simply being used as a smoke-screen to lull the public into a state of false security?
The hon. Gentleman's question is extremely unfair. Because of what he asked me, and in order to assist him, and at his suggestion, I have asked the Food Council to inquire into this matter, and, therefore, we ought to await the result of that inquiry. I should like once again to contradict the statement which the hon. Gentleman always makes in the form of a question, that the Millers Mutual is a price-fixing organisation.
Is not it the fact that at the moment the Food Council has a representative inspecting flour invoices of bakers, and that this inspection includes those of the Co-operative Societies, who are not in the combine?
That is so.
Is it not vitally necessary that this policy of laissez faire and unawareness should cease?
15.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will ask the Food Council to ascertain from the Millers Mutual Association what percentage of American subsidised flour is contained in the grist of the flour which is being sold to the bakers in the London area?
Imports of flour from the United States are negligible compared with our consumption. The matter is not one that concerns the Millers Mutual Association.
Is it not a fact that Kansas wheat is being blended with other wheat, and that the Millers Mutual do derive great benefit from that 5s. American subsidy?
16.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will, with a view to preventing a complete monopoly, have some inquiry made regarding the practice which has become prevalent during 1939 of the milling combines purchasing bakery businesses throughout the country at inflated prices in order to have an outlet for the flour which is produced by the Millers Mutual Association?
Perhaps my hon. Friend will be good enough to communicate to me any evidence he has in support of his allegations.
If I do see the right hon. Gentleman, will he really conscientiously go into this matter? Is it not in the interests of the public that the matter should be inquired into? I cannot sit still here day after day and see nothing done.
The hon. Member must remember that we all have to sit here day after day.
Canned Beef (Imports)
10.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that the existence of a quota for the import of canned meat is operating to restrict the amount of food stored against a national emergency; and whether he will take steps to remove or enlarge the quota?
I presume that the hon. Member is referring to canned beef. I have seen no evidence that the quantities recommended for importation from time to time by the International Beef Conference have been inadequate to meet the demand.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that as the result of the advice given to house wives to store canned food there is likely to be a considerably increased demand for these goods?
I can only say what has happened so far. At the moment the supply is equal to the demand. The whole purpose of the council is to see that the supply meets the demand. If the demand increases they will take the necessary steps to increase the supply.
Is that answer given in spite of the fact that adequate reserves are being accumulated for emergency?
Yes, Sir.
Germany And Austria
17.
asked the President of the Board of Trade particulars of the total declared value of merchandise imported into and exported from the United Kingdom in trade with Germany and/or Austria for each of the years 1937 and 1938?
The hon. Member will find the desired particulars on pages 188 and 191 of the issue of the monthly Trade Accounts for January last.
Can the right hon. Gentleman tell me whether there is a very large adverse balance against Great Britain?
Perhaps the hon. Member will look at the figures.
Scrap Iron And Scrap Steel
19.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will make a statement indicating the quantities and destination of the scrap iron and scrap steel exported during the past three months from the United Kingdom, and the quantities and origin of the scrap iron and scrap steel imported into the United Kingdom during the same period; and whether he is satisfied that the arrangement between the British Iron and Steel Federation and the Scrap Merchants Federation, under which the latter have agreed to offer to the former all available
Quantity of iron and steel, scrap and waste, fit only for the recovery of metal, imported into and exported from the United Kingdom during the three months ended 30th June, 1939. distinguishing the principal countries of consignment. | |||||||||||
Imports into the United Kingdom. | Exports from the United Kingdom (United Kingdom goods) | ||||||||||
Country whence consigned. | Quantity. | Country of destination. | Quantity. | ||||||||
Tons. | Tons. | ||||||||||
Total imports | … | … | … | 165,382 | Total Exports | … | … | … | 23,377 | ||
of which consigned from— | of which consigned to— | ||||||||||
Eire | … | … | … | … | 8,578 | Eire | … | … | … | … | 1,221 |
Netherlands | … | … | … | 4,148 | Germany | … | … | … | 6,443 | ||
Belgium | … | … | … | 21,255 | Netherlands | … | … | … | 1,273 | ||
France | … | … | … | … | 18,421 | Belgium | … | … | … | 6,645 | |
United States | … | … | … | 109,868 | Italy | … | … | … | … | 1,231 | |
China | … | … | … | … | 2,302 |
Rumania (Oil)
21.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps have been taken by the Rumanian Government to implement their undertaking in the Protocol, dated nth May, 1939, to introduce the legal conditions likely to lead to an expansion of the oil industry in Rumania and to simplify machinery of export control with a view to stimulating the exports of oil products?
I am informed that the drafting of a comprehensive Mining Law has reached an advanced stage. As regards the machinery of export control, I understand that some difficulties have already been removed and that other possible measures are under consideration.
Is it not a fact that the Rumanian Government promised definitely that a modification of the mining law would be promulgated within six
scrap in this country at a price which is settled between the two bodies, is effectively preventing the export of any scrap which is required for purposes of national importance?
As the answer to the first part of the question involves a number of figures, I will, with my hon. Friend's permission, circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a statement showing the desired particulars. As regards the second part, I have no reason to suppose that the arrangements to which he refers are not effectively preventing the export of scrap required for purposes of national importance.
Following is the statement:
weeks after the British delegation left? In view of the fact that large credits are given to Rumania, will my right hoc Friend do his best to press the Rumanian Government to take action as soon as possible?
I am sure the Rumanian Government are as anxious as we are that they should implement their promise by introducing legislation, and I have said that it is already in an advanced stage.
Film Industry
22.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he has taken or proposes to take action to prevent film studios from being closed down in a time of national emergency, either through being taken over as office accommodation for London firms, or for similar reasons; and whether he will ensure that film production will not unnecessarily be curtailed?
Discussions as to the appropriate use of studio space in time of war are at present proceeding.
:Is the right hon. Gentle-man aware that at least one studio has already been provisionally secured by a city concern for office use in an emergency? Does it not appear that the cinema industry just then might be very useful to the country?
All these matters have to be considered from the relative value of the purpose for which any premises could be put. I do not think that anyone could contemplate that in time of war the cinema industry is likely to continue completely unaffected.
Table showing, in respect of each description of cotton apparel separately recorded, the declare value of exports from and imports into the United Kingdom during the year 1938 distinguishing the imports consigned from Japan (including Formosa). | |||
Description. | Exports, United Kingdom goods. | Imports. | |
Total. | of which from Japan. | ||
£000 | £000 | £000 | |
Fabric gloves of cotton, including fabric containing cotton shaped for making into or lining gloves. | 18 | 218 | 2 |
Knitted, netted or crocheted goods (hosiery): | |||
Underwear (including knitted, etc., shirts): | |||
Of cotton or of which the chief value is cotton. | 248 | 96 | 82 |
Stockings and hose: | |||
Of cotton or of which the chief value is cotton | 102 | 296 | 67 |
Mercantile Marine
Atlantic Services
11.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, when considering applications by liner companies operating Atlantic routes for inclusion in the provisions of the Shipping Defence Bill, he will give an assurance that he will endeavour to obtain better, more frequent and cheaper communication between this country and Newfoundland, Bermuda and the West Indies, and to make it a condition that more of the liners sailing to Canadian ports shall call at St. Johns on the outward and home-ward voyages; and will he refuse assistance where agreements exist with foreign shipping companies which limit the nature of the services which may be made available to British Dominions and Colonies?
Cotton Apparel (Imports And Exports)
27.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he can state for the last available date, the annual total exports of cotton apparel from this country; total imports under the same heading into this country; and value of such imports from Japan?
I regret that it is not possible to furnish the precise information desired, as the official trade returns only distinguish certain descriptions of apparel made of cotton; but I will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a statement showing the particulars available for the year 1938.
Following is the statement:
If the occasion arises, the considerations referred to by my hon. Friend will be kept in mind.
23 and 24.
asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) whether the Imperial Shipping Committee is considering the present services to and from the West Indies and this country; whether their attention has been drawn to the new British competition with the existing British lines; and whether they have made any report;
(2) whether his attention has been drawn to the intrusion of the Blue Star Line into the West Indies trade with serious results for the existing lines; whether he is aware that this line serves the trade only in one direction and that the existing lines cannot maintain their full services in face of this competition and are withdrawing the only British passenger service that has for long competed with foreign passenger services; can he say in what country these Blue Star Line vessels were built; and whether he will investigate if this recent development is in the interests of British shipping as a whole?I am aware of the developments in the West Indies trade referred to. According to the advertisements in the Press, the new outward cargo service from the United Kingdom by Blue Star Line is carried on by nine vessels, five of which were built in the United Kingdom. The Imperial Shipping Committee is at present engaged upon an inquiry into West Indian shipping facilities, and I am informed that their attention has been drawn to the new service and that they are considering its effects. I am not in a position to comment on the matter in advance of their report, which I understand may be expected in the autumn.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that the existing passenger service is being withdrawn in the next month, and may be withdrawn before the report is published?
When a matter of this kind is under consideration by a committee of this importance, it cannot be dealt with before the report is issued.
Does not this give the lie to the statement that competition is essential?
Is it not a fact that the principal competition in the West Indies service is by larger and faster foreign vessels?
That is another point which the committee is considering.
Ship Reserve
20.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether any second-hand tonnage has been
Vessels in respect of which negotiations to purchase have been completed.
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Merchant Ship Reserve. | ||||||||
Name of Ship. | Built. | Tonnage. | Normal Trading Speed in Knots | |||||
Gross. | Deadweight. | |||||||
"Celtic Star" | … | … | … | 1918 | 5,574 | 7,318 | 10½–11 | |
"Transit" | … | … | … | 1919 | 3,091 | 5,150 | 9 | |
"Manchester Producer" | … | 1916 | 5,106 | 8,570 | 12½ | |||
"Trade" | … | … | … | … | 1912 | 5,848 | 9,000 | 9–10 |
"Pentridge Hill" | … | … | 1917 | 5,119 | 8,035 | 9 | ||
"Polycarp" | … | … | … | 1918 | 3,577 | 5,412 | 11 |
bought by the Government for the reserve of merchant ships; and, if so, will he give particulars of age, size, speed and other relevant data in each case?
Negotiations for the purchase of six vessels for the Merchant Ship Reserve have been completed, and I expect that the contracts will be signed shortly. With the hon. Member's permission, I will circulate details of the vessels in the OFFICIAL REPORT.
Will it include the price paid by His Majesty's Government for these vessels?
Can the right hon. Gentleman say why it is that one vessel which was offered some months ago for £17,500 has been purchased by the Government at £20,000, and it is a vessel 20 years old?
Perhaps the hon. Member will put down a question.
Did I not ask that question in the course of the recent Debate and did not the Government fail to reply?
If the hon. Member will put down a specific question I will reply.
If what the hon. Member for Seaham (Mr. Shinwell) says is correct, what action are the Government going to take in the matter?
Very careful arrangements are made for these ships to be valued, and I am perfectly prepared to trust the valuation of those who advise us.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say on whose advice he acts in these purchases?
I have an advisory committee, and I have the Board of Trade surveyors.
What do they know-about values?
Following are the details:
Unit Trusts
14.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he proposes to make regulations under the terms of the Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Act, designed to prevent agents or representatives of unit trust concerns calling without previous introduction or invitation on bankers, solicitors, accountants and other professional persons, for the purpose of selling on commission, units or sub-units?
The conditions which authorised unit trust schemes must fulfil are specifically laid down in the Act. These conditions do not include a requirement such as my hon. Friend suggests, and I see no sufficient reason for its imposition.
British Army
Assistant-Adjutant, Queen's Westminsters
29.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that the assistant-adjutant of a Territorial unit, the Queen's Westminsters, is a prominent member of the British Union of Fascists and participates in public demonstrations of that body; and whether he proposes to relieve this officer of his commission?
I am informed that this officer is not a member of the British Union of Fascists, but that he attended a meeting in which he took no active part.
Is it not notorious that he did and does take an active part, and is it desirable that members of Hitler's fifth column should hold commissions in the Army?
I have answered the question in accordance with the particulars supplied to me by the commanding officer.
Will the right hon. Gentleman make an effort to get better information, because the information he has is somewhat similar to that given to the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs?
Militiamen (Fatigues)
30.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether any men of the Regular Army have been moved out of their barracks and put under canvas in order that the barracks may be occupied by members of the Militia, and whether instructions have been given that militiamen are not to carry out the ordinary fatigues usually performed by private soldiers of the Regular Army?
The answer to the first part of the question is "Yes, Sir." As regards the second part, the instruction is that the employment of militiamen on fatigues will be restricted as far as possible, and the object is to enable the maximum amount of time to be devoted to training. Militiamen will, however, be trained in administrative and sanitary duties in the field, which are part of the education of every soldier.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that the militiamen are only too anxious to share all the phases of Army life as well as those of the Regular Army?
Yes, Sir.
Food Supplies
33 and 34.
asked the Secretary of State for War (1) whether he is aware that the Fourth Green Howards, during the period of their summer camp at Halton, were fed on eggs produced in the United Kingdom, and that during the week ending 23rd July, the eggs they consumed were produced in Lancashire and Yorkshire; and whether he will direct the attention of messing officers to the fact that the cash messing allowances are sufficient to provide the troops with home-produced eggs for their breakfast;
(2) whether any Territorial or Militia camp is supplied with home-produced meat; and whether any of the units in these camps are permitted to commute their meat allowance into a cash allowance wherewith to purchase home-produced meat?31.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he has considered a communication from the Glamorgan Branch of the National Farmers' Union making a request that the forces should be fed on home-produced meat; and what steps he proposes to implement this request?
36.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will give an assurance that the new Militia shall be fed on home-grown beef, so that their period of compulsory service will not be putting into the pockets of Argentine beef- producers money which might otherwise be going into the pockets of United Kingdom farmers?
37.
asked the Secretary of State for War the weight and value of home-produced meat supplied to the Militia during the period of training; and the quantity and value of fresh milk supplied by the Government to the Militia in the same period?
38, 39 and 40.
asked the Secretary of State for War (1) what would be the additional expense, if any, if the Army serving at home was supplied, wherever possible, with home-produced food;
44 and 62.
asked the Secretary of State for War (1) what arrangements have been made to provide the services with beef and mutton from British-produced cattle and sheep;
(2) whether he will take steps to prevent the danger that, if the men now called up for service are fed on imported beef and mutton it will diminish the call on home-grown supplies, as in civil life many of these men were supplied from home-grown sources?75.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will ensure that the largest possible proportion of food supplied to the military forces in the United Kingdom is home-produced; and that definite instructions are issued to units to that effect?
All these questions relate to the purchase of home-produced in preference to imported supplies of food, and I hope it will be for the convenience of hon. Members if I make a comprehensive reply.
As has been stated on previous occasions, financial and administrative considerations make it impossible to depart from the present policy of relying mainly on Dominion supplies of meat, and it is not practicable to make a new departure in the case of the Militia. The extra cost involved in supplying home-produced meat to the Army and the Royal Air Force would probably rise to approximately £1,000,000 a year. There was a recent trial of Argentine frozen meat in the Aldershot Command at Tidworth for one week only. Otherwise, supply of meat from South America is at present limited to preserved meat, and this is the only source from which it can be obtained with satisfaction as to quality, quantity and price. The proportion of fresh to frozen beef supplied to the Army in the United Kingdom is about 1 to 1,000. Apart from small local purchases, notably for hospitals, the only home station at which fresh meat is supplied is Aberdeen. There are about 150 militiamen at this depot, and the amount of meat involved to date is some 2,000 lbs. It would be contrary to practice to disclose the price. The suggestion that units might be permitted to use the cash value of the meat in the ration scale for the purpose of buying home-produced meat is impracticable owing to the difference in cost. In the case of the other items in the ration scale, preference is given to home-produced supplies, so far as this can reasonably be done. As regards eggs and milk, it has previously been explained that these are purchased by units from a cash allowance. Information as to the prices of the various commodities is available at the messing stores in all barrack and camp institutes, and it is not proposed to interfere with the discretion of units. I have no information as to purchases of milk, but the proportion of home-produced to imported eggs used for all purposes is about 1 to 2.On a point of Order. A number of questions have been put down dealing with different branches of food supplies, and the right hon. Gentleman has taken the unusual course of answering all of them, or attempting to answer them, in one answer. Is that in accordance with the ordinary procedure of the House? Is it not rather awkward to put a question about Estonian eggs and for the right hon. Gentleman to give an answer on an entirely different subject of meat?
Does the right hon. Gentleman think that he has answered question No. 38?
On a point of Order. As so many ex-soldiers have started poultry farming ought not the right hon. Gentleman to deal with eggs as a separate question?
The right hon. Gentleman has dealt with the question of home-produced food.
Arising out of the reply, may I ask in regard to Question 33 and the position of eggs, whether the Secretary of State thinks it fair that some units should be fed on stale Estonian eggs while others are receiving fresh newly-laid eggs from this country?
I have already disposed of that suggestion on a previous occasion. The statement is most unfair to Estonia and to the unit concerned. The eggs were not stale and I informed the hon. Member that a number of officers and men cat the eggs with very good results.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that eggs from Estonia must be stale compared with newly-laid eggs from this country? Is he also aware that since he gave me his last reply I have had a large number of letters from those in camp complaining about these eggs?
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman to deal with Question 38?
The hon. and gallant Member will recollect that I gave the figure, that the cost would be £1,000,000 or more. I could not give the cost of each commodity—they vary from week to week—but I gave it for meat because it was an available figure.
As the Government are subsidising British beef to the extent of £5,000,000 does not the right hon. Gentleman think that militiamen and Regular soldiers ought to be able to get some of this commodity? Is he aware that the sale of beef during this year, and for some years previously, shows a continuous decline?
I have already said that there are certain administrative difficulties. It is desirable that there should be uniformity.
On a point of Order. Does not a new point arise regarding these militiamen? Questions have been asked with regard to the Regular Forces, but is it the same thing when you are compelling militiamen to serve their country that they should have to eat somebody else's beef?
May I ask a supplementary questions—
There must be a limit to supplementary questions.
On a point of Order. There are 10 Questions down, and if an hon. Member objects to this procedure surely the right hon. Gentleman is not in a position to deal with all these questions at once?
If there are 10 questions on the same subject it is permissible for the Minister to answer them together.
That was not quite my point of Order. If an hon. Member objects surely the right hon. Gentleman is not in a position to answer all the questions en bloc? They deal with different aspects of the same problem.
That does not seem to be a point of Order.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that many of these militiamen have fed, reared and looked after beasts all their lives and now are not to have the pleasure of eating them?
Canteens
35.
asked the Secretary of State for War in how many Territorial camps this year the canteens are being or have been run by the Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes; how many units run their own canteens and how many units let the running of their canteens to contractors?
I regret that the information asked for is not readily available, and could not be obtained without a disproportionate expenditure of time and labour.
Is it not very important that this fact should be known so that we could feed the troops as cheaply and as well as possible?
In view of the great labour involved in obtaining this information I hope the hon. Member will not press me to get it as a great deal of labour is now cast upon the authorities, and I have not the information readily available.
In view of the fact that we are having many complaints of a general shortage of food in certain Territorial camps, particularly in the East Riding, will the right hon. Gentleman consider sending a representative of the Army Catering Advisory Department to look into this matter during the current period of training?
Yes, Sir, with a great deal of pleasure. If the hon. Member will specify the units he has in mind I will see that an inspector goes at once. That practice has invariably been followed.
Militia (Dependants' Allowances)
41.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that widows, whose sons who were their only support and are now receiving training under the Military Training Act, are being subject to the means test in respect of dependant allowances, so that in order to live widows possessing small savings are being compelled to draw upon these small amounts and, in addition to the loss of the son and his earnings for six months, are being called upon to make the additional sacrifice of having to pay for it; and whether he will give the undertaking that in cases where children are the sole support of either or both parents the full dependants allowances will be granted irrespective of any small savings the parents may possess?
The extent to which other means of a dependant are taken into consideration in determining the rate of allowance issuable is shown in the White Paper (Cmd. 6043). It will be seen that only income, and not capital, enters into the calculation.
Will the right hon. Gentleman kindly inquire into this matter, because I have a case in my own constituency where the capital has been taken into account and has been assessed, that is, capital invested in the Post Office Savings Bank?
If the capital has been wrongly taken into account and the hon. Member will be good enough to furnish me with the particulars, I will make immediate inquiry.
64.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can state the number of applications received for dependant allowances under the Military Training Act, 1939; the numbers of the respective rates that have been granted; and how many of such applications have been refused?
The latest returns received indicate that approximately 14,000 militiamen have applied for grants of dependants allowance. Of these, some 5,300 have received awards at the rates of 7s., 12s., 17s., or 20s. 6d. a week (each inclusive of an allotment of 3s. 6d. from the militiaman's pay). In the remaining cases, the applicants were not found to be eligible for awards under the conditions prescribed (which are shown in the relevant White Paper, Cmd. 6043), but an allotment of 3s. 6d. a week from the militiaman's pay is being made in each case. I regret that particulars as to the numbers in receipt of awards at the 7s., 12s., 17s., and 20s. 6d. rate, respectively, are not available at the War Office.
Have these militiamen who are not satisfied the right to appeal?
I think not so.
Anti-Aircraft Defences
42.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether it is intended to make a practice of calling upon anti-aircraft personnel of the Territorial Army to man their war stations each year?
No, Sir, the intention is that certain of the anti-aircraft defences should be manned by militiamen during their continuous period of training. The militiamen will take over this duty from the Territorial Army this year as soon as they have been trained. Subsequently, the Militia will be responsible for manning these anti-aircraft defences until such time as the Territorial Army units forming the Air Defence of Great Britain are called out for actual duty
War Department Land
43.
asked the Secretary of State for War the number of acres of land held by the War Department?
The War Department freehold and leasehold property over 21 years amounts to 299,059 acres.
Territorial Camp, Okehampton
63.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that some 2,000 Territorials are housed at a camp at Okehampton, Devon, which the recent rains have reduced to something approaching a morass; that there is only one hospital with only three beds and no kitchen or cooking accommodation attached; and what steps will be immediately taken to provide men who are voluntarily serving with adequate accommodation?
It is the case that some 2,000 Territorials have recently been in camp at Okehampton, the excess over normal numbers being due to the desire of the commanding officers concerned that duplicate units should attend together with the original units. The troops sleep under canvas, and the exceptionally bad weather has involved discomfort. As regards hospital facilities, cases unlikely to recover in 48 hours are taken by ambulance to the Royal Naval Hospital at Plymouth. For minor cases, there is a reception station with four beds at the camp, and these beds have not, in fact, all been filled at any one time this summer. Cooking facilities are not normally provided at reception stations, meals being sent from the main cook house, but there are facilities for heating milk and so on, if required.
May I ask the right hon. Gentleman to read that reply again in order that hon. Members may hear it?
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the facts are not as stated in the question, and that these men have been housed in a camp which has been reduced to a morass by recent rains; and whether he proposes to take any action to change the locality of the camp?
I am informed that the camp has not been reduced to a morass. I have already explained that this was done at the desire of the commanding officers who were clearly warned that the extra numbers would involve difficulties, but they said they desired to have both these units together. Certain inconveniences have arisen here, as indeed they have arisen all over the country, on account of the exceptionally heavy rain.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the floorboards of the tents were covered with water, and that the men had to sleep on them afterwards?
I was not aware of that.
Was it not stated that these men would not be called up unless the facilities were there? Why is the right hon. Gentleman calling them up if the facilities are not there?
These are not men who have been called up. These are Territorials in a Territorial camp.
The militiamen are the same.
Militia Camps
67.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that the militiamen in camp at Norton Manor have been given a lecture by the commanding officer in which they were told that one of their main tasks was to combat Communism; and whether political propaganda of this character has the sanction of His Majesty's Government?
I am informed that the commanding officer at this camp made no such statement.
In view of the fact of the wide publicity which has been given to the character of the lecture delivered by the commanding officer, will the right hon. Gentleman not make further and more effective inquiries?
I have made the most effective inquiries that I could, and I have had a telegram saying that the commanding officer makes an absolute denial of the allegations in the question.
Are not the allegations in these questions doing a great deal of harm?
68.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that at many reading tents attached to Militia camps all the national newspapers are to be found with the exception of the "Daily Herald," "News Chronicle," and the "Daily Worker"; and will he give instructions that no newspaper shall be banned for political reasons?
Newspapers are not provided out of public funds, and they should be provided in accordance with the wishes of the men.
Would it be in order if the men expressed a wish for the "Daily Worker" to be in the camp, for the "Daily Worker" to be in the camp?
Yes, Sir. All tastes, however exceptional, can be provided for.
72.
asked the Secretary of State for War what complaints he has received of the conditions prevailing at Blandford camp; and will he have steps taken to remove the causes there of?
Exceptionally bad weather has interfered with the amenities of this camp, but I am informed that there is no lack of food or hot water, and that everything possible has been done to overcome the difficulties that have arisen. The camp is constantly being inspected, and I have received a recent assurance that there is now general satisfaction.
74.
asked the Secretary of State for War what complaints he has received regarding the conditions prevailing at the militiamen's camp at Oswestry; whether he is aware that the boys are sleeping eight in a tent, resulting in overcrowding; that the huts being prepared will not be ready for three months; that, owing to the recent weather the whole place is a bog; that there are 50 already in hospital and that one has died of pneumonia; that the food is poor and scarce, the menu being one small sausage and a small piece of bacon for breakfast, a spoonful of hard peas and possibly two potatoes for dinner, and two slices of bread and jam for tea; and whether he will have immediate inquiries made into these complaints with a view to their rectification?
The amenities of this camp have suffered owing to the abnormally bad weather. The militiamen are not sleeping eight in a tent, but six. It is hoped that, with reasonably fine weather, the huts will be ready in two months, and not in three. There are not 50 men in hospital, but three men have been sent to a civil hospital at Shrewsbury, one suffering from pneumonia, one from tonsilitis, and one from bronchitis, and all are doing well. There are five men in the camp hospital suffering from trivial complaints, and there are 15 vacant beds. No militiaman has died of pneumonia or any other cause. The diet is not as described in the question, and there is no evidence of a shortage of food.
Are we to take it then that the scores of letters and numerous telegrams that I have had from parents and men in these Militia camps are untrue? Will the right hon. Gentleman also say why there is this delay in the building of these huts, especially when certain firms say that they can be put up very rapidly? Thirdly, in view of the fact that a telegram has just come which states that there is a foot of liquid mud, which is beginning to smell, would it not be advisable either to let these lads return home or to remove them to another place in which reasonable conditions can be provided?
As soon as this question was put on the Order Paper and was given wide publicity, I asked the Quartermaster-General to go in person to inspect this camp, and he has refuted every one of the allegations. I have had a letter from the Lord Lieutenant of the County this morning, who has also personally inspected the camp and who gives an account quite the reverse of that contained in this question. I do not wish to pretend that in the conditions which have prevailed the life is ideal—it never is in soldiering—but everything possible has been done, and there has been no delay in building the huts, which are not due for completion until 1st October.
:Will the right hon. Gentleman permit me after Question Time to submit to him the information that has been supplied to me in this connection by men of standing and men whose words can be relied upon?
Yes, I shall be most obliged. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman has seen some accounts in the newspapers, notably in the "Times," which speak very highly of the conditions in this camp. Nevertheless, I shall be most obliged if the hon. Gentleman will give me that information, but I would ask him to believe that to put questions down at this time which suggest that men are seriously ill and dying does cause widespread alarm, and if he could manage to let me have such particulars so that I could verify them before publicity is given to them, I should be much obliged.
I will let the right hon. Gentleman see some of the information that has been supplied to me.
In view of the disquiet that prevails in many quarters in regard to these allegations, could the right hon. Gentleman afford facilities to hon. Members to visit some of these camps?
Yes, Sir, I have already said that I should welcome very highly visits by hon. Members. All these camps have been thrown open—at least, such has been the intention—and I think the opportunity has been taken by journalists to walk freely about the camps, to ask any questions they like, and to see anything they like, and I think most of them are extremely favourable, although, of course, the weather conditions are exceptionally bad.
I do not want to pursue the question, but it is so important that I would like to ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he is aware that some parents complain that they were refused permission to see the camp?
If that be the case, it was very wrong, and I will see that it is rectified. It is not our intention to close these camps at suitable opportunities to parents or to the Press, and we should very much welcome visits from Members of this House.
While appreciating all that my right hon. Friend has done to make inquiries, may I ask him whether, in view of the fact that I too have heard complaints about this camp, and only this camp, as regards catering, he will send one of his catering advisers to make inquiries?
That has already been done, and the principal catering adviser has been there. If my hon. and gallant Friend has anything further in mind, perhaps he will speak to me about it.
Retired Senior Officers
69.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether the policy of retiring senior officers in order to facilitate promotion is to be amended, in view of the expansion of the Army, and the present international tension?
No alteration in the regulations is necessary or desirable, but the recent expansion has made it possible to retain on the active list a number of senior officers within the age limit who could not otherwise have been given further employment, and officers who have retired are being re-employed as is most suitable.
While recognising the vigorous efforts that the right hon. Gentleman has made, may I ask whether he realises that numerous officers with considerable experience, which is vitally necessary in these times, are being retired, and therefore, will he reconsider the matter from the point of view of retaining the services of officers who are in the prime of life and who have had considerable experience?
I think that that is not quite accurate, and that there are very few such officers who are being retired. I think there is another question on the Paper giving the figures. In all suitable cases I think they are being re-employed.
Bren Gun (Territorials)
73.
asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can make any statement with regard to the provision of Bren guns to second-line Territorial regiments?
The 104 duplicate infantry battalions now have eight guns each.
While thanking my right hon. Friend for that reply, I should like to ask for his assurance that those figures apply to the Scottish Command as well as to the other Commands?
I hope so. My information is that they apply to the whole of the 104 infantry battalions.
Sittings Of Parliament
45.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will give an assurance that adequate arrangements have been made to ensure that Parliament shall be able to meet during a war?
Yes, Sir.
Czecho-Slovakian And Austrian Loans
46.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, without prejudice to subsequent definitions of the scope of the scheme to be submitted for dealing with assets and claims under the Czechoslovakia (Restrictions on Banking Accounts, etc.) Act, he will state whether the issuing bankers or trustees for the Czecho-Slovakia 8 per cent. Sterling Loan and the Austrian Government 4½ per cent. Guaranteed Conversion Loan have lodged claims for registration on behalf of British bondholders generally; and whether it is necessary for individual bondholders, in order that their claims may be registered, either to have given notice individually before 17th June or by permission of the Treasury there after?
:The bank which issued the sterling 8 percent. bonds of the Czechoslovak Government Loan asked His Majesty's Government to take note of the rights of the bondholders, but it is desirable that bondholders should lodge their claims individually as requested in the notice published on 3rd April last. The attention of His Majesty's Government has been drawn to the contingent claims of the Trustees of the Austrian Government Guaranteed Conversion Loan, 1934–59, under the guarantees given by the former Czecho-Slovak Government. The service of this loan, however, is being met without any call upon the guarantor Governments. There do not appear to be any grounds for individual holders of bonds of this loan to lodge claims. In answering the specific questions put to me by my hon. Friend, I do so, as he himself suggests, without prejudice to subsequent definitions of the scope of the scheme to be submitted.
I apologise to my right hon. Friend if I ask a question which he has already answered, but I had great difficulty in hearing the beginning of his reply. Did he say that the trustees representing the bondholders in these two issues had lodged claims on behalf of the bondholders?
What I said as regards the first issue was that the bank had asked His Majesty's Government to take note of the right of the bondholders, but that it was desirable for bondholders individually to lodge their claims according to the announcement already made.
Does that apply to both issues?
As regards the second issue, I said that there seemed to be no reason for anxiety. The guarantor Governments are not being called upon and the service of the issue is being duly made.
In view of the uncertainty with regard to this matter, will my right hon. Friend bear in mind the desirability of producing a scheme as soon as possible after the Recess?
Yes, Sir, I hope it will be as soon as possible.
May I ask whether there is any truth in the rumours going round that there are individuals in this country who are more concerned about the money lost in Czecho-Slovakia than they arc-about the Czecho-Slovak people losing their liberty?
Chinese Currency
47.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the new Anglo-Japanese formula, the Government still intends to support Chinese currency?
The formula agreed upon at Tokyo does not imply any change in the views of His Majesty's Government as to the desirability of maintaining the stability of the Chinese currency in the interests of this country and of other countries which have important financial and trade interests in China.
Can the right hon. Gentleman assure us that he will give no special support to the Japanese currency which is circulating in China and which is tied to the Chinese dollar, and by which the Japanese are trying to get financial control over certain parts of China?
I do not think I can enlarge upon the answer I have given, which is a full answer to the question that was put. The hon. Member's supplementary question is of a different order.
Is my right hon. Friend aware that every action he takes in the interests of this country in supporting foreign countries is subsequently used as a ground for denunciation at meetings of old age pensioners?
48.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the statement on Chinese currency issued at Hong Kong on 8th June to the effect that the ability of the authorities to maintain the exchange will not be questioned still represents the views of His Majesty's Government?
The statement referred to was not issued by His Majesty's Government, who have not at any time expressed a view as to the future exchange value of the Chinese dollar.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in answer to a question put by me, he quoted these very words from the statement that was issued in Hong Kong, and am I to understand that there was no purpose whatever in quoting the statement in answer to me, and is he aware that since that statement was made the Chinese dollar has depreciated further?
My recollection is that the hon. Member asked me for information on this subject, and I referred him to the statement issued by the authorities in China.
May I ask what was the right hon. Gentleman's purpose in referring me to that statement if he did not take it as being substantially correct?
I think that the statement to a large extent was a statement as to future prospects. Obviously, attention must be paid to the opinion of the authorities in the country concerned as to their currency.
56.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the British Government will continue to do its utmost, in the interests of world trade, to maintain the stability of Chinese currency?
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given to the hon. Member for Bassetlaw (Mr. Bellenger) on 4th July.
Bank For International Settlements (Annuity Trust Account)
49 and 55.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) whether he is aware that the Annuity Trust Account of the Bank for International Settlements is invested in Germany; that £2,000,000 of this money was advanced by this country; and, as the reparation scheme for which this account was instituted has been officially abandoned, will he take steps to secure the early return of this money to Great Britain;
(2) what interest payment was made during the last fiscal year on the approximate £2,000,000 deposit made by the Treasury with the Bank for International Settlements in connection with the now-abandoned Young Plan?50.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what sum is now held on behalf of His Majesty's Government in the Annuity Trust Account of the Bank for International Settlements, and what rate of interest is now being paid thereon; for what purposes this deposit was made and is now being maintained; and, as the whole of this account has been invested in Germany, whether he will take steps for an early withdrawal of the British deposit?
The United Kingdom is one of 10 creditor Governments interested in the Annuity Trust Account, the British share being about 26,500,000 reichsmarks out of 125,000,000. Apart from the creditor Governments the German Government undertook during the period up to 31st March, 1966, to maintain a similar deposit of 62,500,000 reichsmarks. Under the Hague Agreement of 1930 these deposits do not carry interest although the depositors are entitled under certain circumstances to receive and have received in virtue of their deposits a share in the profits of the bank. The circumstances in which the deposits were provided by the creditor countries out of reparations due from Germany are set out in Command Paper 3484: the deposits are not at present liable to withdrawal. As regards investments of the Bank for International Settlements in Germany I would refer the hon. Members to the Young Report, Command Paper 3343, pages 13 and 14.
May I ask whether it is a fact that the purpose for which these deposits were originally made has now disappeared and that, in fact, the British Government now have an investment of £2,000,000 in Germany through the Bank for International Settlements on which they are getting practically no return, and is it not a fact that this money could be withdrawn by application to the Hague tribunal, and should not application be made immediately?
As the hon. Member knows, this is a very complex matter, and many countries besides ourselves are concerned. I have made inquiries on the line which the hon. Member has suggested to me, and I can see much force in the view that action of that kind would revive all sorts of claims and counter-claims in respect of war debts and reparations.
In view of the fact that we are running the risk of losing £2,000,000 which belongs to us, will not the Chancellor seriously consider consulting with other Governments concerned with a view to bringing the matter before the Hague tribunal, which is concerned in the matter?
I will take note of the hon. Member's suggestion, but I repeat that a number of Governments are concerned, such as the French Government, which has a very much bigger interest than we have. Probably there is very good reason for leaving things as they are.
Will the right hon. Gentleman consult with the French Government on this matter?
Income Tax (Sickness And Disablement Benefit)
51.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that in April, 1933, a claim for Income Tax made by a local Bournemouth inspector upon Mr. T. J. Potter of Southbourne, Hampshire, a member of the United Law Clerks Friendly Society, was withdrawn at the instance of the Inland Revenue Department at Somerset House, on the ground that the benefit received by him from the society named was in the nature of a continued sickness or disablement benefit; whether the action taken by the Inland Revenue Department in that case is affected by the decision given on 11th July, 1939, by the Special Commissioners in the case of Forsyth; if so, in what way was it affected, and will Mr. Potter henceforth be called upon to pay Income Tax upon his benefit?
As regards the first part of the question, the case referred to had already been brought to my notice. As regards the remainder of the question, I am unable to discuss the Income Tax position of individual taxpayers, particularly in relation to a decision of the Special Commissioners which, I understand, is to be the subject of appeal to the High Court.
Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that many Income Tax payers are now being assessed on the Forsyth judgment? I am asking about Mr. Potter in order to know whether the right hon. Gentleman is exercising some private discretion as between taxpayers.
Of course, there is no private discretion exercised by me.
Will the right hon. Gentleman answer my question? Does the Forsyth judgment cover other cases of the same kind?
That is not a question on which I can lay down the law. My own view is that the judgment in the Forsyth case was given on the facts of that case, but it is going to appeal, and only when that appeal is decided will a final reading of the case be possible.
Has not the right hon. Gentleman stated that he proposes to collect tax from other taxpayers on the basis of the provisional decision in the Forsyth case?
I do not think I have. I have never taken the view that the Forsyth case altered the law at all. I have explained in the House several times the application of the existing law.
58.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that the Special Commissioners, when asked to state a case for the opinion of the High Court in the case of Mr. Forsyth, stated that the demand was premature as the liability had not been agreed; and will he, in view of the importance of this case as a governing case probably affecting thousands of other persons, take steps to expedite a decision?
I understand that the Board of Inland Revenue have informed the Special Commissioners that, so far as they are concerned, the Board will offer no objection if the Special Commissioners see fit to state the case for the opinion of the High Court on the points arising in Mr. Forsyth's appeal, leaving the determination of the actual amount of the liability to await the Court's decision.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether this will enable the appeal to proceed as I understand that otherwise the appeal could not possibly come on until October?
The hon. Member will realise that the Special Commissioners in this matter are a tribunal and I can, no more than anybody else, direct a tribunal. But the Board of Inland Revenue is one of the litigants and the Board has indicated to the Special Commissioners that it does not desire to wait until the figures are settled. Therefore, I think we are doing everything we can to expedite the appeal.
Spain (Loans)
52.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will give an assurance that the Government will not give, or encourage business houses to give, any loans or credits to the Government of Spain without the consent of Parliament?
So far as I am aware, it is not the case that the Spanish Government have expressed any desire to borrow from this country and the hon. Member's question does not, therefore, arise.
May we understand then that there is no intention, proposal or plan under discussion at present, and that there will not be without the consent of Parliament?
I am not aware of any proposal or discussion of that sort, and of course, the hon. Member will remember that it would be impossible for us to lend money without statutory authority.
Will the right hon. Gentleman take into account the fact that this Government is not likely to last long?
Local Authorities, Scotland (Borrowing Powers)
53.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that the ability of a large number of local authorities in Scotland to borrow money on short-term bills has been seriously prejudiced by a decision that such bills will be discounted only where they are issued by local authorities who have specific statutory powers to borrow by bills; and, as the effect of such decision is to enable the last-mentioned local authorities to borrow money on terms substantially better than other local authorities who are per forming exactly the same functions, will he take the necessary steps to see that the position is so adjusted that this unfair preference will be removed?
I would refer the hon. Member to the answers which I gave on this subject to my hon. Friend the Member for East Aberdeen (Mr. Boothby) on 13th June and to the hon. Member for Bassetlaw (Mr. Bellenger) on 20th June.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say why authorities which have not these statutory powers should be penalised in this way when they are carrying out the very same functions as other authorities; and does he not realise that this is an imposition upon the poorer taxpayers in those areas?
I think if the hon. Member refers to the earlier answer and to the answers to supplementary questions, he will see that that really is not the case.
Defence Loan
54.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he expects to be in a position to make a statement on the proposed £500,000,000 defence loan?
I cannot at present say when such a statement is likely to be made.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether it is likely that an attempt will be made to float the loan during the Parliamentary Recess?
I think all the precedents indicate that it is better not to make any statement on the subject. If the hon. Gentleman will allow me to suggest it to him, I think it would be better not to answer that question.
Czecho-Slovakia (Assets)
57.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can give an undertaking that the Government will not surrender any part of the blocked Czech assets during the Summer Recess?
I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to my hon. Friend the Member for East Willesden (Mr. Hammersley) on 13th July. He will see that a scheme is to be submitted to the House for its prior approval as soon as may be after it reassembles.
Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether there have been any discussions with German banks or agencies on this matter, and can he give an undertaking that the Government as trustees in this respect are acting in the interests of the Czechs?
I can hardly give a more complete assurance than that which I have already given to the House, that no arrangements will be made until a scheme has been put before the House.
Would the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to answer this question? Have any conversations or negotiations, official or unofficial, taken place with anybody connected with the German Government, with regard to this matter?
I could not give an answer to that question. If there has been any such discussion, I think the House is completely protected by the offer and the statement that has been made that any scheme will come before the House.
If I put down a specific question on the point, will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to answer it?
Subsidised Imports (Duty)
59.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is prepared to consider a revision of the methods of valuation for the purpose of Customs duties in order to ensure that subsidised and dumped goods should re main liable to the same duty which they would pay had they been sold at normal prices?
It is open to the interests concerned to make representations to the Import Duties Advisory Committee in regard to the competition of foreign goods on the British market from whatever cause it arises. I do not consider that any further provision is necessary at present.
Would my right hon. Friend consider the difficulty arising from the fact that subsidised goods may come from only one country and they have to be treated in exactly the same way as non-subsidised goods from other countries, and that this is a position with which the Import Duties Advisory Committee cannot deal?
Is the right hon. Gentleman not aware that these dock goods in some cases come from countries with which we have trade agreements, and therefore nothing whatever can be done through the Import Duties Advisory Committee; and will he further consider this question?
I am not sure that this matter is not one for my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade, rather than for me, but I will take note of the observations which have been made by the hon. Members and will see that they are considered.
Japan (Credits)
60.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that Japanese purchases of Australian wool and other commodities are being financed by London banking houses; and whether he will take steps to secure that this financial assistance shall cease, and that such proportion of these purchases as are suitable shall be diverted to this country for war stores?
I have no reason to believe that London institutions are increasing the financial credits open to Japan.
House Of Commons (Refreshment Department Staff)
61.
asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether, as only £2,500 is needed to pay full wages to 70 per cent. of the staff in the Kitchen Department, the proportion liable to dismissal, he will arrange to advance a sum of money sufficient to maintain the staff until the end of the year, pending further consideration, so as to avoid their instant dismissal this week?
The conditions of Service of the staff of the Kitchen Department and any financial arrangements in connection therewith are a matter for consideration by the Kitchen Committee.
Is the right hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that the staff at the Law Courts, although they do not work the full year, are paid in full?
I know nothing about the Law Courts.
Can the right hon. And gallant Gentleman say whether, at any time within the last three years, the Kitchen Committee have asked for any subvention from the Treasury?
I am afraid I must have notice of that question.
Even though the right hon. and gallant Gentleman is indifferent to the Law Courts is that any reason why he should be in-different to the cause of the servants of this House?
Is it not the case—I asked a question about it last week—that it was formerly an established tradition that there should be a Treasury grant for this purpose because it is impossible to run the Refreshment Department of this House on an ordinary commercial basis; and will not the right hon. Gentleman now consider making a Treasury grant?
The conditions are quite different now from what they were, but, as I have already said, these are all questions for the consideration of the Kitchen Committee, whose chairman I see as usual, in his place. Perhaps these questions might be addressed to him.
Does the Minister say that the Members of this House have no right to question him as to the financial arrangements which may be made by the Government in relation to the Kitchen Committee's work?
No, Sir; I do not say that, but the Kitchen Committee is the usual channel in this case.
Would this involve a charge upon the taxpayers?
Is it not vitally necessary that something should be done?
Questions To Ministers
On a point of Order. May I call attention to the fact that it is almost impossible for Scottish Members to get early answers to their questions that are put upon the Paper, for the reason that those questions are usually put down at a point which does not get reached at Question Time? May I respectfully submit that further consideration should be given to the arrangement of questions, so that it should be done in such a way that Scottish Members should be able to get oral answers from Ministers on Tuesdays?
On that point of Order. May I respectfully point out that I never remember a Session in which Scottish. Members have had more opportunities of getting oral answers to their questions than the present Session.
It is very difficult to arrange for every section of the House to get their questions answered orally owing to the very large number of questions that are put on the Paper and also to the large number of supplementary questions that are put.
May I point out that the Secretary of State for War has two sections on the Order Paper today, and that on the usual Scottish day it is almost impossible to get Scottish. questions answered?
The questions addressed to the Secretary of State for War are divided to-day by the questions addressed to the Prime Minister and to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Is it not a fact that the Secretary of State for War has to-day, at any rate, done his best by answering 12 questions at once?
Prevention Of Violence (Temporary Provisions) Act, 1939
( by Private Notice)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he has appointed any person to examine objections under Section 2 (1) of the Prevention of Violence (Temporary Provisions) Act, 1939?
I am glad to be able to announce that Sir Walter Monckton, K.C., has agreed to place his services at my disposal for this purpose.
Oil Supplies (Emergency Provisions)
( by Private Notice)
asked the Secretary for Mines whether he can make a statement regarding the arrangements for the maintenance of petrol and oil supplies in war time?
Yes, Sir. In view of the vital importance of petrol and other petroleum products in war time comprehensive plans have been prepared for the maintenance of supplies, the accumulation of reserves, the organisation of sea transport and inland distribution, and for the control of price. The reserves of petroleum products in this country have been greatly increased. Schemes have been prepared to co-ordinate distribution and to ensure the most economical and efficient use of the road and rail tank vehicles. Investigations into the possibility of a wider use of substitute fuels in war time are in progress. Special arrangements are being made for meeting the requirements of fire brigades, ambulances and A.R.P. services.
To provide for these and other essential needs and to ensure that the paramount demands of the Fighting Services are met in all circumstances, it will be important to regulate the use of petrol, diesel oil and other petroleum products. Goods and passenger vehicles will therefore be rationed through the medium of the organisation set up by the Minister of Transport to regulate the use of such vehicles in war time and, after due notice has been given, a rationing scheme will be introduced for all private cars. In the case of petroleum products other than motor fuels supplies to industrial users will be regulated by a priority system. The requisite staff has been appointed and the schemes could if necessary be brought into immediate operation. For the convenience of hon. Members I propose to circulate a fuller statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT.With regard to the reference to an investigation being made into the wider use of substitute fuels can the Minister give the House an assurance that those investigations are in an advanced stage now, and whether it would be possible, in the event of supplies being needed, for him to inform the House that those supplies would become an important contributory factor in the supply of petrol and other fuels at home?
Yes, Sir. It would not be in the public interest to go into details in this matter, but I can say that good progress is being made. The investigations are proceeding along a number of different channels and we hope these supplies would make a substantial contribution to the petroleum requirements in wartime.
Does the scheme provide for the installation of plant to produce oil from coal?
No, Sir, not in addition to the existing plants.
Have the Government completed sufficient purchases of oil to give them the reserve which they think is necessary at the present time?
It would not be in the public interest to go into details, but I have said that the reserve stocks have been greatly increased.
May I ask that in drawing up the scheme for the rationing and distribution of oil supplies in the event of war, the interest of the independent importers and distributors, as well as of the major companies, will not be overlooked and that they shall be brought into any scheme?
:Yes, Sir, these plans have been made in consultation with the oil industry, and I can assure the hon. and gallant Member that the interest of that section of the industry will not be overlooked.
Can the Minister give some indication of the cost to the State of making all these arrangements and providing all this storage, and will he give some indication of what is the difference between the cost to the State of subsidising the storage of petrol and subsidising the production of petrol from coal? Further, may I ask whether he is making any plans to develop producer-gas?
In reply to the first question, that particular matter was very fully investigated by the Falmouth Committee before they came to their conclusions, which were adopted by His Majesty's Government. With regard to the second question, I can say that producer-gas vehicles are one of the subjects which are being investigated.
Has the Minister considered the desirability of building up a reserve of producer-gas vehicles or vehicles adapted to producer-gas?
All those matters are under consideration.
What justification can there be for rationing the supply of petrol when petral can be produced if only the plant is set up and idle miners are employed?
That is a matter which was considered very carefully by the Falmouth Committee.
Following is the statement:
Organisation for the Control of Petroleum Supplies in War-time.
A standing sub-committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence has kept under constant review the position of supplies for the Fighting Services, Mercantile Marine, industrial and other civil requirements; and among the matters dealt with by this sub-committee have been the reserves necessary to be built up and maintained in peace time to meet war demands, the security of fuel supplies, the provision and allocation of tanker tonnage, and the control of distribution and consumption in time of war.
The Petroleum Department, which is part of the Mines Department, will be the Executive Department for general control of the supply and distribution of petroleum products in war time, and the necessary plans have been made in collaboration with the oil industry in this country, whose help I am glad to acknowledge. Similarly the Board of Trade will be the Executive Department for the control of tanker tonnage.
Imports and Distribution.
At the unloading ports special officers have been appointed whose duties will be to see that the best use is made of the available facilities for discharging oil products in order to secure the rapid release of the tankers and the movement of the oil to its inland destinations.
Schemes have been prepared to ensure the most economical and efficient use of the road and rail tank vehicles used for the internal distribution of oil and of the storage tanks dispersed throughout the country.
Regulation of Supplies.
Special arrangements are being made for meeting the requirements of fire brigades, ambulances and A.R.P. services. In order to meet these and other essential requirements, and to provide in all circumstances for the paramount demands of the Navy, Army and Air Force, it will be important to prevent the unnecessary use of petrol, diesel oil and other petroleum products. Their use will, therefore, be regulated.
Petrol Rationing.
Goods and passenger vehicles will be rationed through the medium of the organisation which has been set up by the Minister of Transport to regulate the use of such vehicles in war time.
After due notice has been given, a rationing scheme will be introduced for all private cars. Under this scheme such cars will be given a ration related to the horse-power of the car and provision is made for owners who consider the ration insufficient for essential needs to state their case to the Divisional Petroleum Officer, who will be empowered to grant an additional allowance where he is satisfied that this is justifiable.
Other Petroleum Products.
In the case of petroleum products other than motor fuels, supplies to industrial users will be regulated by a priority system designed to ensure that, in the event of a temporary shortage, available supplies will be directed to those firms whose activities in war time are of greatest importance to the nation.
Control of Prices.
Statutory powers for the control of supplies and prices will be available for use if voluntary arrangements fail.
Petroleum Reserves.
The reserves of petroleum products in this country, both for the Fighting Services and for civil purposes, have been greatly increased, while special steps have "been taken to secure the safety of storage plants. Investigations into the possibility of a wider use of substitute fuels in war time are in progress.
General.
The staff required to operate these schemes will consist of Port Petroleum Officers, Divisional Petroleum Officers in each of the Civil Defence Regions and technical officers with an intimate knowledge of the transport, distribution and use of petroleum in this country. These officers have been appointed and are aware of their functions in the event of war.
Scotland (Highlands And Islands Development)
I promised to make a statement to the House on the subject of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland.
I should like to begin this statement by expressing once more the Government's appreciation of the work of the committee which, under Major Hilleary's chairmanship, carried out a comprehensive investigation into conditions in the Highlands and Islands, and whose report has received widespread attention. Hon. Members will appreciate that in examining the report I have had to bear fully in mind the exceptional circumstances in which the country finds itself, and the fact that under existing legislation much is already being done through Government' Departments and local authorities for the Highlands and Islands. At the same time, I appreciate the special problems of these areas, and I am glad to be able to announce that the Government have decided to take further measures to help them. I have come to the conclusion that it is expedient to concentrate on projects which do not require the creation of new machinery. I am not, therefore, proceeding with the proposal of the committee for the appointment of a Highlands Development Commissioner, who would be partly an investigator and party responsible for carrying out schemes with the aid of Government grants. The Commissioner could not carry out the work without new legislation and a considerable staff, and his functions would in many respects overlap those of existing Departments. The position of local authorities has also to be borne in mind. At the same time I am alive to the importance of ensuring that the problems of the Highlands and Islands are considered as a whole, and for this purpose I propose at regular intervals to hold conferences with the Departments concerned in order to review the situation, and I shall continue to keep in close touch with local authorities and other persons specially qualified to advise me on the needs of the Highlands and Islands.My proposals in other resupects are as follow:
Roads and Piers.
During recent years the sums available for assisting local authorities to undertake works on roads and piers in the crofter counties have been progessively increased, and amount in the current year to a sum of £30,000. I propose that for the next five years this sum should be roughly doubled, which means that approximately £300,000 will be available over that period for these services
Land Improvement.
I propose to extend the existing scheme for the eradication of bracken so as to provide assistance for handcutting. This scheme will apply to Scotland as a whole with special conditions for the Highlands and Islands to meet the circumstances of that area. I propose also to give further assistance towards the draining of land and the application of fertilisers.
Marketing.
The committee recommend the establishment, with assistance from public funds, of a Central Marketing Agency with local branches to promote co-operation and to organise marketing arrangements. I have come to the conclusion that in the first place it is desirable to make use of the experience of the Scottish Agricultural Organisation Society in fostering co-operative measures and I propose to place the society in a position to extend its efforts in the Highlands and Islands.
Veterinary Services.
Local authorities will be invited to consider an extension of the schemes for the provision of veterinary services with assistance from public funds.
Fishing.
Loans will be made available on favourable terms to enable lobster fishermen in this area to acquire new motor-boats or engines for existing boats. In order to encourage further the development of this type of fishing, I propose also that advice on improved methods of storing, packing and marketing should be made available by means of instructors and improved distribution of suitable handbooks.
Agricultural Training.
The committee recommended the formation of a Land Training Centre and of demonstration crofts. I am pleased to say that Lord Abinger has generously offered to gift Inverlochy Castle and other property in the neighbourhood for the purpose of a training centre and that this offer, for which I should like to express to Lord Abinger the Government's thanks, has been gratefully accepted. It is proposed also to arrange with the agricultural colleges to establish throughout the Highlands a number of demonstration crofts.
Freights.
With a view to helping agriculture and fishing in the Western Islands, I hope to arrange for some reduction, by the existing steamer contractors to the Western Highlands and Islands, of the inward freights on fish and of the freights on out- ward consignments of feeding stuffs and fertilisers.
Handcrafts.
The committee have referred to the need for an organised market and for instruction in handcrafts, and suggested that the Scottish Country Industries Development Trust could assist. I propose to help the trust to make a survey and to carry out any subsequent arrangements which the result of their investigation may indicate.
Forestry.
The Forestry Commissioners with whom I have been in touch have already planted some 78,000 acres in the Highlands and are continuing to plant at the rate of 5,000 acres a year. They have also established nearly 200 forest workers' holdings. On the more promising types of difficult ground which are of doubtful value for afforestation the Commissioners have already done much experimental work. If these experiments are successful they may open up a field for further productive development of afforestation in the Highlands. It appears, therefore, that the best contribution which the Forestry Commission can make towards the solution of the general problem is to persevere with their experiments. Arrangements are accordingly being made to do so.
The various proposals I have outlined constitute a programme supplementary to existing measures which is designed to facilitate and encourage enterprise in the Highlands and Islands. It is clearly desirable that after an appropriate period there should be a review of the results of the schemes which I have outlined. It is accordingly intended that they should in general continue for a period of five years. It is estimated that their total cost during this period, over and above the sums at present being spent by the State in the Highlands and Islands, will approximate to £65,000 a year.
On a point of Order. I would ask for your guidance, Mr. Speaker. Under what Standing Order has this statement been made by the Secretary for Scotland? There was a question on the Paper which was not reached in the ordinary way, and it surely should have been dealt with by written reply as the question is long since passed.
I do not think it comes under any particular Standing Order but it is a practice and for the convenience of the House.
May we take it then that this is a precedent and that if a question is not reached in the ordinary way a Member may, by approaching a Minister, get that question answered orally instead of having a written reply in the usual way?
No, it would be quite wrong for the hon. Member to take it in that way.
May I ask whether a clear distinction is being drawn between the answering of questions which are for the convenience of the House and questions which merely form an opportunity for Ministers at their discretion to read propaganda statements?
Is it not a fact that a statement of this kind, containing, if we could have heard it, matters of very great importance to Scotland can be given only in this way? Since we are not to be permitted any opportunity to discuss this matter in full, but for an explanation of this kind, what opportunity would we have had even of asking questions?
On a point of Order. Would I be in order in suggesting, in view of the extremely unfriendly atmosphere in the House, that we adjourn this matter to a meeting of the Scottish Members, organised by the Secretary for Scotland?
Has it not been demonstrated sufficiently by the obstruction to-day that we require a parliament of our own to deal with Scottish affairs?
With regard to the first item mentioned in the election manifesto which we have just heard read, would the Secretary of State be good enough to tell us whether the extra £30,000 that he proposes to devote to piers and harbours is in any part to be devoted to privately-owned piers?
The right hon. Gentleman will be aware of the Act which was passed two years ago making it necessary for a local authority to take over a pier before it receives assistance.
Would my right hon. Friend keep in mind, in dealing with the Islands, that on the Island of Arran the discontinuance of steamers running between Greenock and Campbeltown is going to cause great hardships on the west of that island, and will my right hon. Friend keep in mind doing something to prevent the steamers being cut off?
Is the Secretary for Scotland aware that it is quite impossible for us to follow up the lengthy statement which he has made? As far as I am able to judges—I have given the best part of my life to this question—I am entirely disappointed with this small crumb which he has given to the Highlands and Islands of Scotland. It in no way meets the subject to talk about £30,000 when we have been asking for millions. [Interruption.] If it was Czecho-Slovakia it would have been millions, but with the Highlands and Islands of Scotland it is thousands. There are five regiments in Palestine and three of them are Scottish.
Is it not to be deprecated that Ministers should take up the time of the House in making long and important statements without an opportunity being given for debate by the Members concerned? Is it not clearly abusing the tradition of the House for Ministers to use an opportunity such as has been made to-day, to make what is regarded as a very important statement of policy?
Can I explain? There have been a great number of Parliamentary questions on this subject over a long period. The committee which examined this subject sat for several years, and following its report last winter there have been almost continuous Parliamentary questions. It was therefore necessary that I should make an oral statement as early as possible, and I have made it at the earliest opportunity.
I am not a Scotsman and I am therefore dispassionate, but is it not unreasonable that within two days of the House rising for the Recess a large question of policy should be raised when there is no opportunity for debating it.
There is nothing unusual in the procedure. At this particular time, after questions, it is the common practice of the House for statements to be made, and at that time discussion never arises. It is a usual occasion on which Ministers can make statements.
In view of the importance of this statement and the obvious dissatisfaction of the House with the fact that we are not able now fully to discuss it, would you, Mr. Speaker, consider favourably an indication that we would like to raise this matter as one of the subjects to be discussed during the Adjournment Debate on Friday? That would give great satisfaction to Scottish Members.
The hon. Member knows that I have to consider all sorts of applications for opportunity to raise matters for discussion on the Adjournment for the Recess.
The Secretary of State was perfectly right in saying that he had to implement a promise that he had made by making a statement before the Recess, but I suggest that the House should sit one extra day in order to discuss this important subject.
May I ask one question?
Business Of The House
Would the Prime Minister state for what purpose it is proposed to suspend the Eleven o'clock Rule to-night?
Division No. 291.] | AYES. | [4.15 p.m. |
Acland-Troyte, Ll.-Col. G. J. | Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) | Edmondson, Major Sir J. |
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) | Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) | Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. |
Albery, Sir Irving | Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n) | Elliston, Capt. G. S. |
Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) | Channon, H. | Emrys-Evans, P. V. |
Anderson, Sir A. Garrett (C. of Ldn.) | Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) | Entwistle, Sir C. F. |
Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Sc'h Univ's) | Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) | Erskine-Hill, A. G. |
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. | Clarke, Colonel R. S. (E. Grinstead) | Everard, Sir William Lindsay |
Apsley, Lord | Clydesdale, Marquess of | Fildes, Sir H. |
Aske, Sir R. W. | Colville, Rt. Hon. John | Fleming, E. L. |
Assheton, R. | Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) | Fox, Sir G. W. G. |
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. | Courthope, Col. Rt. Hon. Sir G. L. | Fremantle, Sir F. E. |
Balniel, Lord | Cox, H. B. Trevor | Furness, S. N. |
Barrio, Sir C. C. | Critchley, A | Fyfe, D. P. M. |
Beechman, N. A. | Crooks, Sir J. Smedley | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. |
Bernays, R. H. | Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C. | Gluckstein, L. H. |
Blair, Sir R. | Cross, R. H. | Glyn, Major Sir R. G. C. |
Boothby, R. J, G. | Crossley, A. C. | Goldie, N. B. |
Bossom, A. C. | Crowder, J. F. E. | Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral) |
Bower, Comdr. R. T. | Culverwell, C. T. | Granville, E. L. |
Boyce, H. Leslie | Davison, Sir W. H. | Grimston, R. V. |
Braithwaite, J. Gurney (Holderness) | De Chair, S. S. | Hacking, Rt. Hon. Sir D. H. |
Broadbridge, Sir G. T. | De la Bère, R. | Hambre, A. V. |
Brocklebank, Sir Edmund | Denman, Han. R. D. | Hammersley, S. S. |
Brooke, H. (Lewisham, W.) | Denville, Alfred | Hannah, I. C. |
Brown, Rt. Hon. E. (Leith) | Dodd, J. S. | Hannon, Sir P. J. H. |
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C, (Newbury) | Drewe, C. | Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) |
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) | Duckworth, Arthur (Shrewsbury) | Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) |
Bull, B. B. | Dugdale, Captain T. L. | Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) |
Burton, Col. H. W. | Duggan, H. J. | Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. |
Butcher, H. W. | Dunean, J. A. L. | Hely-Hutchinson, M. R. |
Butler, Rt. Hon. R. A. | Dunglass, Lord. | Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel A. P. |
Caine, G, R. Hall | Eastwood, J. F. | Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- |
Cartland, J. R. H. | Eden, Rt. Hon. A. | Hepworth, J. |
Cary, R. A. | Edge, Sir W. | Higgs, W. F. |
To-day is the last of the Allotted Supply Days. All outstanding Votes on Report will be put from the Chair at Ten o'clock. We desire to obtain the report of the Ways and Means Resolution upon which the Appropriation Bill will be founded and to take the Lords Amendments to the War Risks Insurance Bill. We also propose to take the Motions to approve the Barley Scheme and the Marketing of Milk Products Scheme—both items being exempted Business.
Would it be in order to ask whether the Prime Minister will make arrangements that as soon as the House reassembles there shall be a discussion of the statement made by the Secretary of State for Scotland?
Ordered,
"That this day, notwithstanding anything in Standing Order No. 14, Supplementary Estimates for New Services may be considered, and that Business other than the Business of Supply may be taken before Eleven of the Clock." — [The Prime Minister.]
Motion made, and Question put,
"That the Proceedings on government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister]
The House divided: Ayes, 231; Noes, 124.
Hoare, Rt. Hon. Sir S. | Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) | Scott, Lord William |
Holdsworth, H. | Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) | Shakespeare, G. H. |
Holmes, J. S. | Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) | Shepperson, Sir E. W. |
Hopkinson, A. | Mitcheson, Sir G. G. | Shute, Colonel Sir J. J. |
Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. | Morgan, R. H. (Worcester, Stourbridge) | Simmonds, O. E. |
Horsbrugh, Florence | Morris-Jones, Sir Henry | Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. |
Howitt, Dr. A. B | Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) | Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) |
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) | Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) | Snadden, W. MoN. |
Hurd, Sir P. A. | Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H. | Somervell, Rt. Hon. Sir Donald |
Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir T. W. H. | Nicholson, G. (Farnham) | Somerville, Sir A. A. (Windsor) |
Jarvis. Sir J. J. | Nicolson, Hon. H. G. | Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J. |
Jennings, R. | O'Connor, Sir Terence J. | Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm' I'd) |
Keeling, E. H. | Orr-Ewing, I. L. | Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.) |
Kellett, Major E. O. | Patrick, C. M. | Stewart, William J. (Belfast, S.) |
Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose) | Peake, O. | Stourton, Major Hon. J. J. |
Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) | Perkins, W. R. D. | Strickland, Captain W. F. |
Kerr, Sir John Graham (Sco'sh Univs.) | Petherick, M. | Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- (N'thw'h) |
Keyes, Admiral of the Fleet Sir R- | Pickthorn, K. W. M. | Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) |
Kimball, L. | Pilkington, R. | Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F. |
Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F. | Porritt, R. W. | Sutcliffe, H. |
Lambert, Rt. Han. G. | Pym, L. R. | Thomas, J. P. L. |
Lancaster, Lieut.-Colonel C. G. | Radford, E. A. | Thomson, Sir J. D. W. |
Law, R. K. (Hull, S.W.) | Raikes, H. V. A. M. | Thorneycroft, G. E. P. |
Lees-Jones, J. | Ramsay, Captain A. H. M. | Thornton-Kemsley, C. N. |
Leech, Sir J. W. | Ramsbotham, Rt. Hon. H. | Train, Sir J. |
Lennox-Boyd, A. T. L. | Ramsden, Sir E, | Turton, R. H. |
Levy, T. | Rankin, Sir R. | Wakefield, W. W. |
Lindsay, K. M. | Rathbone, Eleanor (English Univ's.) | Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan |
Lipson, D. L. | Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin) | Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) |
Llewellin, Colonel J. J. | Reed, A. C. (Exeter) | Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend) |
Locker-Lampson, Comdr. O. S | Reed, Sir H. S. (Aylesbury) | Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S. |
Loftus, P. C. | Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead) | Warrender, Sir V. |
MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G. | Remer, J. R. | Wells, Sir Sydney |
MacDonald, Rt. Hon. M. (Ross) | Rickards, G. W. (Skipton) | Williams, Sir H. G. (Croydon, S.) |
MacDonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) | Ropner, Colonel L. | Willoughby de Eresby, Lord |
Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) | Rosbotham, Sir T. | Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin) |
McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. | Ross, Major Sir R. D. (Londonderry) | Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl |
McKie, J. H. | Rowlands, G. | Womersley, Sir W. J. |
Macnamara, Lieut.-Colonel J. R. J. | Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R. | Wood, Hon. C. I. C. |
Magnay, T. | Russell, Sir Alexander | Wright, Wing-commander J. A. C. |
Maitland, Sir Adam | Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen) | York, C. |
Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. | Salmon, Sir I. | |
Markham, S. F. | Sandeman, Sir N S. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES. — |
Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham) | Schuster, Sir G. E. | Captain Waterhouse and Mr. Munro. |
NOES.
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Adams, D. (Consett) | Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) | Messer, F. |
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) | Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) | Milner, Major J. |
Adamson, W. M. | Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) | Montague, F. |
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) | Hall, W. G. (Colne Valley) | Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) |
Banfield, J. W. | Hardie, Agnes | Oliver, G. H. |
Barr, J. | Harris, Sir P. A. | Owen, Major G. |
Batey, J. | Hayday, A. | Paling, W. |
Beaumont, H. (Batley) | Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) | Parkinson, J. A. |
Bellenger, F. J. | Henderson, J. (Ardwick) | Pearson, A. |
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. | Henderson, T. (Tradeston) | Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W. |
Brown, C. (Mansfield) | Hills, A. (Pontefract) | Poole, C. C. |
Burke, W. A. | Horabin, T. L. | Price, M. P. |
Cape, T. | Jagger, J. | Pritt, D. N. |
Cluse, W. S. | Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) | Quibell, D. J. K. |
Collindridge, F. | Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) | Richards. R. (Wrexham) |
Cove, W. G. | John, W. | Ridley, G. |
Daggar, G. | Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. | Riley, B. |
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) | Jones, A. C. (Shipley) | Ritson, J. |
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) | Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. | Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.) |
Day, H. | Kirby, B. V. | Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens) |
Dobbie, W. | Kirkwood, D. | Rothschild, J. A. de |
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) | Lathan, G. | Sexton, T. M. |
Ede, J. C. | Lawson, J. J. | Shinwell, E. |
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) | Lee, F. | Silkin, L |
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) | Logan, D. G. | Silverman, S. S. |
Edwards, N. (Caerphilly) | Lunn, W. | Sloan, A. |
Evans, D. O. (Cardigan) | Macdonald, G. Once) | Smith, E. (Stoke) |
Foot, D. M. | McEntee, V. La T. | Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees. (K'ly) |
Gallacher, W. | McGhee, H. G. | Smith, T, (Normaton) |
Gardner, B. W. | MacLaren, A. | Sorensen, R. W. |
Garro Jones, G, M. | Maclean, N. | Stephen, C. |
George, Major G. loyd (Pembroke) | MacMillan, M. (Western Isles) | Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ns) |
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. | Mainwaring, W. H. | Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.) |
Grenfell, D. R. | Mander, G. le M. | Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth) |
Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) | Marshall, F. | Thurtle, E. |
Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) | Mathers, G. | Tinker, J. J. |
Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) | Maxton, J. | Tomlinson, G. |
Viant, S. P. | White, H. Graham | Wilson, C. H. (Atteroliffe) |
Walkden, A. G. | Whiteley, W. (Blaydon) | Windsor, W. (Hull, C.) |
Walker, J. | Wilkinson, Ellen | Woods, G. S. (Finsbury) |
Watkins, F. C. | Williams, E. J. (Ogmore) | |
Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. J. C. | Williams, T. (Don Valley) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
Mr. Charleton and Mr. Groves. |
Bills Presented
FOOD (DEFENCE) BILL,
"to provide for the exercise of certain functions by a Food Defence Minister, to amend the Essential Commodities Reserves Act, 1938, and to provide for the making of payments towards expenses incurred for securing the due functioning in the event of war of essential undertakings concerned with the storage, preservation, treatment, or transport of food, forage or the raw materials thereof; and for purposes connected with the matters aforesaid," presented by Mr. W. S. Morrison; supported by Sir John Anderson, Mr. Stanley, Mr. Burgin, and Captain Crookshank; to be read a Second time To-morrow, and to be printed. [Bill 220.]
LOANS FACILITIES BILL,
"to authorise the making of loans out of public moneys for the establishment of new industrial undertakings in certain areas where there is severe unemployment," presented by the Chancellor of the Exchequer; supported by Mr. Colville, Mr. Ernest Brown, Mr. Stanley, and Captain Crookshank; to be read a Second time To-morrow, and to be printed. [Bill 221.]
CINEMATOGRAPH NEWS FILMS (PREVENTION OF ABUSES) BILL,
"to provide for the better regulation and control of persons introducing cinematograph news films; to encourage the wider distribution of such films; to prevent restrictions thereon, whether by trade monopolies or otherwise; and for purposes connected therewith," presented by Sir Ernest Graham-Little; supported by Captain Cazalet, Mr. Robert Morgan, Mr. Wakefield, Sir John Graham Kerr, Sir Annesley Somerville, Mr. Harvey, Mr. George Morrison, Miss Rathbone, and Mr. Holmes; to be read a Second time Tomorrow, and to be printed. [Bill 223.]
New Member Sworn
William Glenvil Hall, Esquire, for the County of York, West Riding (Colne Valley Division).
Message From The Lords
That they have agreed to, —
Building Societies (No. 2) Bill,
Isle of Man (Customs) Bill,
Aberdeen Harbour (Superannuation) Order Confirmation Bill,
Dunbartonshire County Council (Kirkintilloch Street Improvement) Order Confirmation Bill,
Lanarkshire County Council Order Confirmation Bill,
Motherwell and Wishaw Electricity, etc., Order Confirmation Bill, without Amendment.
Public Health (Coal Mine Refuse) Bill, with Amendments.
Public Health (Coal Mine Refuse) Bill
Lords Amendments to be considered To-morrow, and to be printed. [Bill 224.]